FORCED Ultra Orthodox to Non-Binary Secularism
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- Опубликовано: 14 июн 2024
- You met Chavie in a previous episode. A determined mother who took a long hard road out of Hasidic Judaism so her children could have more choices that she did growing up. Now you get to hear from one of her children! Ruby recounts what it was like being forced to live a judge ordered Hasidic lifestyle, until they stood up and said no. From learning what they had been missing in school, to unearthing social media for the first time at 17, they are now living the life THEY chose for themselves!
To watch Chavie's previous episode, click below!
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Chapter Markers:
00:00:00 Intro
00:02:08 Disclaimer & reading your comments!
00:04:37 Chavie recap's her story that leads to today's discussion
00:08:14 Ruby's double life growing up in split custody
00:09:34 Ruby dealing with the discouragement of pets in the community
00:11:00 Did Ruby feel Hasidic in a Secular world or Non Hasidic in a Hasidic world?
00:13:46 What was it like for Chavie watching Ruby bloom with restrictive parenting court orders
00:16:22 When Ruby felt that they came into their diverse identity
00:21:09 What Ruby thought of what was taught of a "woman's role"
00:23:08 Does Ruby attribute their way of thinking to their mother?
00:23:40 What Chavie thinks of Ruby's journey
00:24:42 Chavie was worried her kids weren't pushing back enough
00:27:04 During split custody, did Ruby attend a Secular or Hasidic school?
00:28:35 What did Ruby miss about the Hasidic schooling?
00:29:51 Did Ruby feel that something was missing?
00:3:13 Ruby's breaking point
00:35:39 Ruby talks to the judge about their lack of education
00:37:00 What was it like for Chavie watching Ruby stand up to the Judge?
00:39:19 Ruby expressing themself for the first time in public school
00:41:40 Need help with technology use as a first timer
00:44:29 What being introduced to social media was like for Ruby
00:46:28 Exploring the internet for the first time
00:47:15 Chavie thoughts on her child on the internet
00:48:43 Ruby falling for a scam on the internet
00:51:18 Ruby opens up to Mom
00:53:49 Do Ruby and Chavie believe in Judaism to some degree now?
00:57:25 Linda, Listen
01:00:08 Find Chavie & Ruby on Social
01:00:38 Donate to & support resources for people leaving Hasidic communities
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This comment is to sincerely apologize for accidentally misgendering Ruby. I tried so hard to make sure I was correctly labeling them. I even asked my editor for this episode to correct me if I slipped up. We did our best to address them properly but this isn’t to provide excuses. Just to say it was never done intentionally and I hope people can allow me some grace in knowing that I was wholeheartedly doing my best. Thank you for watching.
We. Are. Human. 💙❤️💜
There's a difference between someone doing it maliciously and someone genuinely trying and slipping up, most of us are pretty ok with the second. Its clear you weren't deliberately trying to hurt them
It was clear you weren't intentional or malicious in it, we are human. I would assume that especially coming from a Cult-y background, you likely never even had the vocabulary or references to non binary, genderfluid, etc, etc. It's a steeper learning curve, and you can give yourself some grace.
I think your response was perfect, and keeping it in is a great example of what to do when you misgender someone.
You know you can edit after the fact right? Just edit out the actual misgendering and keep the apology up
Can we just have Chavie and Ruby back more often? They are such lovely people, this is yet another really touching interview.
My grandparents left the ultra orthodox community in Borough Park, New York, when my mother was just a baby. I am grateful and I am so proud of this family. Amazing. Things are on the horizon for them.
-Vanessa
Well, I am not surprised at all that Chavie would have such an intelligent, thoughtful child. Thank you Ruby for sharing your thoughts and truth with us. Bravo.
I could honestly listen to Chavie share her perspectives ALL DAY. Holy shit what a wonderful human. Grateful for her to have come back and share her beautiful family with us! ❤❤
Couldn’t agree more!
completely agree!
"why are you assuming that that's a guy?" Children say some profound things. This is so wholesome and heartwarming. I see a mom and her kid who truly understand one another. That's dope. My parents are very straight laced and I'm so not that I've spent my adulthood trying to ensure my parents know who I am, so when I'm gone they'll at least remember who I chose to be.
What do you mean "when you're gone"? You are not going anywhere, hang tight!They will learn soon, don't worry. It takes time. Remember your value and find your community!
You are insane
I can really see how much Chavie and Ruby trust each other. The fact that Chavie said she wanted the internet to feel "right for *them*" is so telling; that her goal wasn't to control Ruby, but to help them understand themselves and what they feel resonates with them and makes them feel safe and valued. Incredible.
Chavie is a great mom. She is smart and an angel for her children.
The trust is so evident. The Love. Example to all.
Ruby is such a reflection of their mom! The way they spoke about the parts of themselves that they like the most are from their mom resonates with me so much. I miss my mom every day.
I can’t believe Chavie is 40! She looks so young!
Without the label "Hassidic community" the way Ruby and their siblings were treated at school would be called child abuse. Thankfully, they have a strong enlightened mother.
Chavie must be so proud of the person Ruby has become. Ruby is such an intelligent and wise soul. Thanks for sharing their story.
I'm not dealing with religious trauma, but I am dealing with trauma. And Chavie's Linda Listen really speaks to me. And so does Ruby's. They're important things to remember when healing from any traumas. Chavie, you raised a really wonderful human, and I love seeing how proud you are of them. Ruby, you're doing amazing, keep it up!
I cried throughout the whole video, listening to these stories always makes me feel grateful and lucky that I was given this much freedom from the day I was born, and it also made me more understanding towards people who live inside these communities. I work in a book store and a few days ago an orthodox Jew walked in and spent hours reading all kinds of book on different topics, and left only when I had to close for the day (he didn't buy anything). In the past I might have been weirded out by this person but after listening to your podcast I felt glad that he had this opportunity to read everything he did that day, and I hope that it is a step towards a better life for him.
Thank you for sharing. I’m so happy that these videos can provide more understanding to those you come in contact with ❤️
this really made me tear up Ruby seems like a wonderful person and a credit to her mother's battle it makes me think about the sacrifices my mother made for us
*their :)
Ruby is such a jewel 🤩 glad they are able to shine bright
Chavie is such an amazing person, love her story and love Shelise for bringing us these wonderful stories of people and their journeys into consciousness.
Chavie is such a beautiful soul and Ruby is even more so if that’s even possible… the love, trust and absolute respect for each other that this Mother and child have for one another is so raw and refreshing… the world would be a much better place if there were more relationships like this 😊
"you are also a child" YES! When i had my first baby, I had this revelation that we are all someone's baby! So take care of that baby ❤
This is hands down the most beautiful energy in one interview I've ever experienced. Thank you to all three stunning humans for sharing this conversation. 💖
First and foremost, I want to express my deepest gratitude for this incredible conversation. Your ability to listen attentively and your empathetic nature, combined with a genuine curiosity, have moved me to tears. The relationship between Ruby and her mother is truly admirable, and it sets an example for parents to learn from. Their shared goals, their mutual dedication to curiosity and understanding, and their openness to healing and personal growth are truly inspiring. I am especially amazed by Ruby's youth and maturity, as she navigates the journey of self-discovery with grace and without harboring any resentment. Her patient exploration of her true self is supported wholeheartedly by her remarkable mother. I deeply appreciate your insight regarding the need for systemic change and the importance of understanding those who are shaped by these systems, rather than viewing them as villains. Ruby's wisdom and maturity at such a young age are remarkable, and I find myself at 46 years old wishing to possess a similar level of wisdom. Chavie, you are a true role model in your compassionate care, unwavering perseverance, hopeful spirit, and warrior-like resilience. I hope that one day I will have the privilege of meeting you and learning more about your journey to maintain positivity and hold onto hope, even during the most lonely, overwhelming, and fearful moments. As someone who possesses a profound sense of curiosity, I sincerely thank you for this enlightening conversation.
With tremendous admiration and respect to all of you I'm grateful.
I love what Ruby said about their identity and how they felt growing up. A lot of trans people I’ve met have said similar things, we create an identity that’s not really us but it’s what we are expected to be, so we play that role. It’s very freeing when we can be our true self, even though it takes time to figure out what that is and what that means in ourselves. I hope that everyone knows that exploration never ends and it’s never too late to be your true self, whatever that means for you.
Wow, so awesome seeing a fellow nonbinary person on your channel! I too am nonbinary. It took me a long time to accept it due to growing up LDS even if I knew my mom would be accepting. The anti-LGBTQ rhetoric is so ingrained in us and my mom was a convert so she didn't know the things LDS primary and young adult teachers were telling us. She feels bad now but I'm so glad her teachings overpowered the church's. I love watching your channel and suggest it to everyone I meet!
Hey! I'm NB as well! So glad there is a space for us here.
I'm glad your mom supported you, and that you can be yourself now!
This is your first interview that made me cry. Not because of sadness, but because of the beautiful, touching, loving feelings Chavie and Ruby have for each other. Thank you.
Nice to see Chavie again, her child is obviously very smart and has a bright future ahead of them.
I wish I had the intestinal fortitude that Ruby had when I was younger. I was raised a strict southern Baptist and it was miserable being forced into going to church and youth group when I didn’t believe what I was being taught. I would be myself at school but when I got home I had to force myself to become a fake person or risk more beatings from my mother.
I raised my own daughter to be a strong, independent person free to express herself how she wanted to, as long as she didn’t break the rules at school, and to explore and express her own identity. My mother tried to control every aspect of my life from my hair cut all the way down to my shoes. She gave me no freedom to be myself at home or around other people outside of school. School was the only place I could be me.
My mother was nothing like Ruby’s. I wish she had been because I never really felt love from her right up until the day she died. I still don’t know what it’s like to be loved unconditionally by someone. It’s difficult to love yourself, much less someone else, when you never had a model or example in your life.
Did you go to vacation Bible School? I was born Catholic went to Catholic School and then; my uncle Richie introduced me to Pentecostal religion need I say anymore.... ✌🏼
@@winros Yeah! I went every year, and years I had to go to other churches VBS programs. Nothing but shear indoctrination and attempted brainwashing.
Ruby is such a wise young adult. It’s amazing to me the concepts and understanding they have about the world… at any age. And such a refreshing, understanding point of view. Chavie, also clearly an amazing person, has clearly done a wonderful job.
A great piece of advice you can take from Chavie's story. If a couple with kid's split, and the other person isn't interested in the kid's, get it in writing right then. He came back much later after the kids, and still fighting over a decade. Just a signature when they broke up would've prevented all that.
I stumbled on your channel as I took a rest day, and the story of Chavie and ultimately Ruby and Chavie were the first and second interviews I watched. I felt so impacted by their stories and very inspired by the strength And dignity Chavie has shown. I had a high conflict separation and fought for custody of my son, and it was so so difficult, it still is, and a lot of what was being said resonated.
I spent part of my childhood growing up with a religious mother and the reach of the (born again) Christian church was so invasive. A lot of abuse was pedalled under the guise of being religious support and as a young teen I had to endure ‘exorcism’ by church elders and missionaries. I am working through some of the damage done. Thanks so much for these insights and for the assurance that we aren’t alone. Love the ‘Linda listen’ too!
You are all such amazing people.
I’m sorry you went through that. Welcome to C2C! ❤️
What a beautiful conversation and interview. Thank you all for sharing ❤
Ruby, thank you for speaking up to the judge for what was best for you. Too often the judges and lawyers make decisions based on what’s “best” for the parents, not what is best for the children. I feel like you spoke up for all the kids that don’t have a voice in custody situations.
Newbie here🙋🏻♀️
I stumbled onto your channel one day when it randomly appeared on my RUclips homepage and it just so happened to be Chavie’s story.
I had never heard or watched anything like it! It was such an eye opening story for someone like myself who grew up with total religious freedom/choices in my family. It was SO raw, emotional, and selfless. Then to hear Ruby’s experience.. phewww what a great follow-up to the original story/episode! Bring them back on😃
Hi Kandace! Welcome to C2C! I’m happy you enjoyed their story. They are both so awesome!
same! I found this channel from Chavie's other video. it had been sitting in my "watch later" list for a good while because I didn't realize it was a podcast style video and the length had me waiting for a good time to sit down and watch
Its great to see this being talked about, as an atheist non-binary person. There does seem to be a big link between trans/nb and people who leave these kinds of churches/cults. Whether as a rebellion against the gender roles enforced by the religion or because they are more likely to question those roles. I'm so glad Ruby is in an environment where they can be themselves and live their best life. Its scary how often the courts will allow children to continue being put back into these groups or made to visit with parents still in the cult and be harmed by it, by the people who are meant to protect minors
The courts are 30 yes behind
@@marquitaarmstrong399 You hear it a lot in minors who try to leave the fundie Mormon groups especially, they're "runaways" and Utah especially will often force them back into the group
I am finding the new LGBTQ stuff quite culty tbh there's lots of ideological absolutes that you have to agree to, and compelled language. I think freedom to be who you are without imposing or being imposed on is fantastic and what LGBTQ represented not so long ago. Lately I'm not so sure...
@@ranellnikora48nobody imposes their identity on anyone, we just want representation.. we are people who deserve proper representation
Ruby's Linda Listen moment was so wise beyond their mere 20 years. They've clearly worked so hard to grow, heal, and expand their mind and boundaries and the message they gave is one that people *many* years their senior still need to hear.
Chavie and Ruby are INCREDIBLE. I'm totally and completely blown away by both of them! I love that Chavie briefly referred to the Upstate New York controversy; I grew up almost 4 hours north of Chavie and was still very much not allowed to refer to it as "Upstate New York" lol!! Actual upstaters, like those close to Canada, will come for you if you do, as Chavie has clearly experienced. 😂
Oh they absolutely will. North Country residents will absolutely remind everyone that they are the true upstate.
Buffalo also gets indignant about NYC’s lack of geography skills.
And calling the Northern Suburbs “upstate” is as borderline criminal as telling anyone from the North Country that anyone south is “upstate”. Hudson Valley residents really don’t like being called upstate when even Albany says we are downstate.
@@LeadTrumpet1 Yes! The politics of NYS geography are heavy lol! When speaking with a fellow New Yorker, I'll change my description of where I live depending on the place they call home. The one thing that tends to unite everyone in the state outside of NYC is resentment over the fact that city residents and the rest of the world act as if the city IS the state lol!
Beautiful mom and daughter interaction and interview. I hope they keep inspiring others. ❤
Wow! I shot and engineered this pod episode. Just to be a part of people being able to tell their story and their truth. this is why i do it. beautiful work !
This was a wonderful interview! Chavie is such a good mother to Ruby and, presumably, to her other children as well. Ruby has a great head on her shoulders and I wish them all the best out of life.
I have no doubt this family will thrive, having such openly clear hearts and minds will wash away the turmoil. I wish them the best
Agreed
I love this conversation! Thank you for hosting and sharing this
Such a well-spoken young person. You can just feel the love that Ruby and Chavie have for eachother. I think that Chavie is so incredibly profound as well when she said that the only thing that she can control is the relationship she has with her children. That's a viewpoint that I think a lot of parents would really benefit from.
And Shelise, I can tell that you really tried hard to respect and to self-correct yourself with using the correct pronouns with Ruby. It's hard to work against your own brain. Please never forget to give yourself grace when you're coming from a place of genuine care and learning
❤️🙏
Shelise is indeed a great interviewer. Thank you yall for sharing your stories.
Thank you so much, Gustavo
Everyone allowed to speak without interruption. Learned a lot. Thank you❤
Shelise, you are so very talented in interviewing people. It always seems like your interviewee comes out of it so uplifted, even when talking about difficult subjects and experiences. You really do embody the consciousness you so obviously value.
Thanks for highlighting these beautiful humans.
They light up a room! What a lovely pair. I can see the love pouring out of them for each other.
Also love the earrings Ruby ❤
I'm literally in tears. The path Chavie created for herself, Ruby and the other kids is EVERYTHING. As a mother, Ruby is everything you want your child to be- better than yourself. Kudos to bravery paying off.
omg love this so much! i hope we’ll get to hear more from them! respect to both of them for going through all of this and coming out the other end being more insightful and emotionally mature than most grown adults, let alone 20 year olds. their relationship is so sweet too. a lot of people, queer kids especially aren’t so lucky unfortunately
I am not Jewish but Greek Orthodox. The Jewish have a blessing used for when a loved one passes away, however it is a beautiful blessing, and one that I would like to give them for a different context. For Chavie and Ruby, I wish you both a long life. Because you are both brave and amazing humans, and I wish you both the very best for as long as possible. Your stories are amazing.
I absolutely loved this video! Seeing a young person coming into their own and seeing Chavie's face as her child spoke, all the love, pride, and joy there was beautiful! Young people like Ruby give me hope for the future. They are truly remarkable!
So happy you brought Chavi back with her kid! So nice to hear from the child’s side of things and that things are getting better for them
I love that Ruby made the jewellery they're wearing! it's so cool and beautiful
Thank you so much for sharing your stories with us. As a nonbinary person who was not raised with religion at all, I struggled deeply with the systems of patriarchy. I can't imagine how hard it would have been coming from a high demand religious background. You are both shining examples of humanity and the bond between mother and child. It is truly heartwarming. All the best to you!!
Another uplifting interview Shelise. Chavie you are an inspiration. Ruby never stop exploring life and all its possibilities knowing you have your mom for support and guidance. Thank you for being open and honest. I am sure you are going to inspire more and more people who feel stuck in cults to realize there is a way out and a future full of choices.
This interview was great! Ruby is so sweet and smart. They are going to do great in life!
I have sooo many questions: how is their relationship with their dad now; how is their relationship with their mom family ; and how the government allows these kids to not have proper education?
Loved how you explained boundaries & how to set them & it is ok to do that. I talked about this with my younger nieces & my older niece said no one talked about setting boundaries & specially with girls.
So incredibly mature and insightful. Beaming. Thank you so much for sharing!
Enjoyed this conversation very much!
Thank you 🙏🏼
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Omg, Chavie must be so incredibly proud of Ruby. Ruby's so emotionally intelligent and cool. ❤ What a beautiful family. ❤ I would love to know what Ruby wants to study in college? Oh, and congrats on your engagement, Chavie! ❤
I can't imagine any three people having a more respectful and informative discussion on this very tough subject. Excellent job!! ❤
Aww thank you so much!!🙏❤️
I am only a few minutes in but already loving it!!
❤❤❤ Ruby's Linda listen statement shows so much maturity & wisdom!!!
Chavie and one of her children! I am beyond interested to hear Ruby's POV. Will add more after!
What a terrific parent/child relationship Chavie and Ruby have. Ruby's empathy is incredible and they will be a remarkable person in the world. Chavie is a strong, bright, and resilient woman. Thank you for sharing these stories with us!
Love them! Wonderful mother and great platform you’ve provided. Thank you!
I really enjoyed this interview! Lovely guests and interviewer!
Thank you, Anna! ❤️
20 years old and know they don't have it all figured out. Heck, they're smarter than I was at 30!
What courage! I hope your children understand and appreciate the freedom you have made available to them by your remarkable integrity.
These two have to be two of the most grounded people I've ever heard. Interviewed. Like holy Toledo's! What a wonderful interview!
Thank you both for sharing your stories! You both seem like such kind and interesting people and you restore some of my faith in humanity. Good luck with college Ruby!
I grew up in the same community as Chavie I can’t relate to her story in a lot of ways
Thanks for sharing your experience the world needs more brave people
Thank you for watching and supporting ❤️
Ruby & Chavie, thank you for being wonderful, kind and compassionate people. It gives me hope to see how people can grow and be kind in the face of hardship and to be able to build a better world instead of blaming people, loving people and blaming the systems or at least holding them to account. It can be easy to blame people for the pain, but often they are victims too. Better systems make the world better
What a brave example of fortitude, grace and the overwhelming desire to escape oppression and live an authentic life!!! Thank you for sharing!
What a fantastic interview, Shelise! What amazing people Chavie and Ruby are. Wishing them both a life full of love, laughs and joy. ❤🏳️🌈
I moved to Rockland County a few years ago (originally from South Africa) and the Hasidic community has always facilitated me to no end. I’ve met a large amount of people who have left that community and their stories. I’m glad to be hearing this too! ❤
What a fabulous relationship presented here. It was so nice to hear the continuation of the story. Thank you for sharing your family story.
Loved this.. thank you..Ruby is wise beyond her years😊
definitely a good interview
Raising a kid who knows they can come to you for help when they mess up is an extraordinary achievement! I hope one day it will be ordinary 🥰
WOW!! Great interview!
Chavie is absolutely adorable and so is Ruby. I'm so proud of them for being true to themselves and speaking out like this because it really helps people.
I loved chavie so much she is very charismatic and attractive in the way she speaks and expressing about herself and feelings😍💖💖
Ruby looks and sounds just like their mom. Both of them are wonderful guests. I enjoyed hearing more of their story. ❤
This was a great interview.
I love your channel over here in the UK and wanted to say what a truly inspiring pair of women, Chavie has done a remarkable job and Ruby is her double❤. Thank you xx
Amazing story!
Ruby is amazing! You go girl! Live your dreams.
These are such lovely people! I'm glad they are living the life that they want. And thank you so much for providing the platform for them to tell their stories. This was truly heartwarming.
Thank you for sharing your story. You are very strong women and make your own decisions.
YES YES YES!! The parent/child relationship is what’s important!! 💗💗💗 48:21 could not agree more as far as social media (or any media for that matter 😜) is concerned 💯👏👍
What a beautiful interview. Enjoyed it thoroughly. I think I learned about Chavie's story on your channel, it has be nice following it and rooting for her and her family!
Love seeing interviews from the queer/ transgender point of view.
2 wonderful humans , Love them both !!! Thank you for the video
I’ve been binge watching your videos and it’s so hard to choose a story that has impacted me the most when every single person I’ve seen you speak to has been so incredible but omg the feelings that this video and Chavie’s previous one have given me are something else. Chavie seems like the parent all children deserve. The fact she had to continue to live in a way that had traumatised her in order to be able to see her children and to give them choices, I just cannot imagine the unbelievable strength that must have taken for all those years. She and her story are the proof that a parent’s love for their children can be strong enough to fight almost anything. And now to see what a wonderful, mature, intelligent and compassionate young adult Ruby is. 😭 you can see the pride in Chavie’s eyes through this entire video. I doubt they’ll see this but Chavie and Ruby I am so so pleased for you and in awe of you, and I am so grateful that you shared your story. It has had an impact on me and I’m sure many others. Shelise, the work you are doing is incredible. Thank you so much for giving so many amazing people the platform to share their stories, from the bottom of my heart, I am so grateful. 💜
Thank you so much for sharing that ❤️ it means a lot. I appreciate your support!
I am in awe of both of you❤❤
Ruby just nailed any child's experience no matter the sect religion ya da ya da
Ruby's jewelry and accessories are absolutely amazing, I'm a jewelry maker and run a small business. They are exactly the kinda of person I want to wear my jewelry 😂
Omg thank you! I made all the pieces I’m wearing so I really appreciate this comment! What kind of jewelry do you enjoy making most?
@beeweisberger7957 OMG, YOU MADE THEM YOURSELF EVEN BETTER!!!! You're so talented!! My favorite jewelry to make is definitely earrings, more specifically, chandelier earrings. Or necklaces! But I make everything from bracelets to beaded bras.
My art is my therapy, so I love to branch out in different styles!.
Since you made your own jewelry, what's your favorite to make? I'd love to know 💞✨️ sending soooo much love darling.
(Ps your advocacy for your pronouns is so inspiring from a fellow NB person! Also sorry this is such a long comment! Ahha)
@@gnomehomeneeds thank you! You’re such a sweetheart! I loveeee chandelier earrings. Also beaded bras sound epic and I’d love to see that. Right now I’m in the beading side of jewelry making and it’s so fun it feels like a puzzle you get to make from scratch. I’m trying to get into some wire and metal stuff though which hasn’t been easy but I love a challenge:) thanks for all the love💖💖💖
@beeweisberger7957 I totally agree! It's a puzzle to put together and make and then WEAR?!?! It's amazing, hahaha!
If you have any social media for your jewelry, I'd definitely love to check it out! I do a lot of social media for my small business, so I always love supporting other creators :^)
@@beeweisberger7957omg Ruby during the episode I was thinking how much you’d love the jewellery and stuff my disabled & ND friend Tash makes. Her brand is pawn in suburbia
I have heard soooo many stories of the same thing especially about women who seriously struggled with custody of their children and the hasidic communities. It's really sad that judges take sides like this because I think a lot of them are politcally involved in some ways with the communities. I hear about the treatment and how they should live. I am so glad this mother and kids are having a difference experience and searching for their own meaning in life. That it takes a lot of courage to leave their known lives and to work towards and creating what feels right to them. All I have to say is good for them! I wish all people could do that.
Beautiful talk😀😀😀
Omg, they are both so beautiful ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤ hope for all good things to come to both❤❤❤
😢 😢😢😢 the mom grew up in the family "with rich history" but doesn't know WHY her family does what they do. Ignorence is truly bliss.
I felt like Chavie was such a bright flame in the previous show....OMG! Ruby burns the house down. Awesome personal triumphs for both! Edit fixed autocorrect, again, lol
I LOVE the outcome that found Ruby experiencing City-As-School… the place that saved my life!!!
And, how amazing to have found The Most PROGRESSIVE School in NY (as the needed clash to the prior trauma).