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I'll just start off a topic for now, that all those that say Khabib hadn't fought wrestlers, or that Khabib doesn't know striking suited for UFC. Don't know what they are speaking about.
There is no denying what Jon Jones has achieved, but the minute you pop for steroids, not once, but twice! You're not even in the conversation. He shouldn't have a place on the pyramid at all. Imagine Messi being found out for performance enhancing drugs? Imagine any great of any sport. Its game over. It makes me sick how much everyone is pushing the narrative of Jones being the greatest of all time. He's a fucking drug cheat. Game over. This takes the UFC back 30 years.
20 seconds in and I’m wondering how half of these guys made into that the list? And then I waited until the end and completely agreed on Chael Sonnen as the greatest ever.
28 minutes in: " Dominick Cruz is on here because of what he could've been" 32 minutes in: "you can only judge khabib on what he did not what he could've done" took 4 whole minutes to contradict himself. Great video tho, takes balls to make this and lots of hard work and research
The difference here is Khabib retired on his own terms, while Dominick was cursed with injuries. No one can recover from that while you're constantly aging. Time beat Dominick, while Khabib was still on his prime.
still not really a good argument, thats like putting TKZ on the list, he was robbed of his prime years for mandatory military service but potential cant be a deciding factor in a GOAT tier list imo @@Zombade80
@@noctiuagus1369 No, he didn't. The context of Khabib and Dominic are very different. If those two were in a similar situation, then it'd count as a contradiction
@@Zombade80 It doesn't matter because either scenario does not add more to your resume/record. If someone argued in favor of Dominic Cruz, I would not accept that. If someone argued in favor of Khabib Nurmagomedov, I would not accept that.
@@DarkWarrior_1 He literally dominated Yair straight after. Makhachev took about 8 months off only to face the opponent he beat prior to his loss to Volk. What're you on
GSP is totally number 1 for me. He’s got not only the titles, but also the behavior of the GOAT. To me, that goes hand in hand. Other than that, it’s a list I can get behind. Specially the S+ tier.
Good overall list, but I’m kind of sad Tony Ferguson didn’t get a shout. He’s tied for the longest winstreak in lightweight right now, and before his knee injury was the scariest man in the division. People avoided his fights, and him and Khabib was the biggest what-if in the sport
Fantastic list! I'd personally put GSP as number one. I mean, yeah.... GSP and Mighty Mouse have losses but they also didn't have the benefit of the amazing training partners that Bones did. - I'm of course talking about T. Bol, T. Ren E. and Testcy Ponate.
you really think GSP was clean his whole career? kids at the gym start taking steroids right after 2 weeks of training and you're talking about elite UFC fighters being clean? get a grip man! just cuz Jon got caught doesn't mean he's the only one.
Excellent video man, thank you for your hard work. People don't understand how difficult videos like this are and how much time goes into them. You did an incredible job and have one of the most solid, sound, reasonable lists that someone can make.
I love that you are self-aware and acknowledge your knowledge, or lack there of, as a fan. I started watching UFC when it began but I was a child so, even though I was a fan the whole way through, the Chuck Liddell era that you spoke of is the era I claim. It’s refreshing to see a newer fan speak on the history and the GOAT convo while also keeping themselves in check. Mark of a good man. Great video.
I agree. There are VERY FEW knowledgeable fans 25 and under nowadays. I'm born in '83 and I was 10 when I saw UFC 1. My gramma had the black cheat box, so all ppvs/movies/p*rno were free. And it was because of that 3 hour long BJJ commercial in Nov. '93 is how I found out about the p*rno. I was 10.5 and never really stayed up that late. AND by myself. Flicked through the handful of ppv channels and just accidentally stumbled upon 2 naked ppl doing it. My love for UFC and @$$ came in the same night, one after another. I'm 40 and fighting and screwing are still my two favorite things. All thanks to Gramma having the cheat box and an early bed time.
@@JamesHeinrich-vk7vz that’s beautiful bro. I’ve always said that life is all about the F’s. Fighting, F***ing, Food, Family, Friends, and Fun. We didn’t have the cheat box but my cousins did, so every time they had everyone over for big PPV events, us kids would be watching the skinamax channels later that night. Channels 22-25.
@@HighFightIQ YEA!!! I'm from Toronto, and if I'm not mistaken, it was 102-105 on our cheat box. I remember my Gramma would sometimes come out cus she couldn't sleep and would grab the remote and ALWAYS FORGET THE FIRST MOVIE CHANNEL AFTER 11PM IS THE DIRTY, so she'd go "let's see what movies are on" and flick to 102 and there'd be some dude getting topped CRAZY and she'd start fumbling the remote "omg, omg, JESUS" lmao. God I love the UFC.
Thank you for putting wanderlei on the list, to me he’s one of the greatest to ever do it and my favorite fighter of all time and did it in pride, some people, especially new fans have no idea who he is or why he earned the greatest mma nickname ever: “the axe murderer” and may god rest the souls of those who Silva chopped to pieces.
This is a great list people often talk about who is the best or who’s top 5 but that’s usually currently people tend to forget about the old days or you have new fans that don’t even know about the old days. Making a list of just the top few also leaves out a lot of great fighters that have done some amazing things guys like Bj Penn, Frankie Edgar, or Max Holloway it’s good to see them on a list of greats.
@Thial Hoinj also Usman aint a pushover, he defended 15 times, BJ could possibly beat him sure but Usman has better credentials, idk why u gotta pull any of them down
@Thial Hoinj and also i just looked this up, but Aldo beat Kenny Florian, Uriah Faber, and Frankie Edgar in championship fights. If you think he's overrated then so are these old heads he beat
Thank you mate! I know it’s a subject for contention! I think it’s super super super close though, and feel like you can swap anyone of them 4 on any given day!
Man I'd put him next to Jones. I feel like he before that Gane fight he was Number One but it was close. Now it's even. What most people don't remember is that in One Flyweight is 135 lbs so he was a champ in two divisions
@@adrapolska671 if you don't care about PEDs, a shit ton of eye pokes that can't be accidental and real-world crimes than he was number one even before the gane fight. If you do than he will never be the GOAT. IMO the GOAT needs to also represent the sport and i don't want Jones to represent my favorite sport. Mighty mouse all the way
What a ride this video was. Very well done once again, huge respect. But...I was heartbroken after I saw Fedor. It meant that Cro Cop was never gonna show up. I mean I lost the majority of hope after mid tier 4, but I think he deserved to be a solid high T5. I know this is about MMA only, but he basically had double the mileage of every T5 and T4 considering his almost legendary status Kickboxing background. One of the deadliest fighters of all time, with one of the best takedown defense of all time (post Nogueira fight), coming from K1. Overall, I really respect your list!
I really do believe fedor was overated. He sure was a beast in Pride but he had a lukewarm career when performing in the US (where the competition was arguably better - we can compare old records from pride champions who moved to the US and definitely faced more defeats). Unlike Anderson Silva, who fought only top 5 contenders waaaayy past his prime, Fedor fought similar level (post-prime) competition, and failed to gain momentum. He was good - and many saw him as the best in the early 00's -, but, in my opinion, although he was a beast against the early generation of arguably one-sided MMA fighters (who were either good at striking or grappling, but not good at both), he just wasn't as good when facing fighters trained in the more well-rounded post-GSP-era.
@@oohlala5394 I genuinely cant believe anyone can call fedor overrated. Serious disrespect man. I support Fedor for giving ufc the middle finger but this is the consequence. Ufc has become so mainstream that anyone who doesnt set foot there has their whole career questioned. That man was a sight to behold in his prime. Till today i still dont understand how he survived randleman and even went on to win the match. There is a reason why Khabib put him at the top of his Goat list next to Jones as the greatest to ever do it. There is a reason why he is the only fighter in mma history who made almost all the old legends come to pay him homage in his last fight
So, you like when one person spits in another person's face? That's a little weird. "I love how that girl just SPIT in her bf's face, YA!!! F*CK HIM!!!" lol.
I don’t get how anyone can put jones first. The guy clearly lost to Reyes who isn’t a great fighter by any means, same with santos. He struggled to beat a no legged fighter. The rest of his amazing legacy is him fighting an older generation of light heavyweight’s that most of which, went down to middleweight because of their frame and size. Jones was essentially a guy with a heavyweight sized frame beating up older heavy middleweights. Soon as he started fighting the next generation of light heavyweight’s, he struggled way more with his fights against gus as a highlight. All of this whilst being caught juicing on 3 separate occasions, which usually would be either a 5 year to permanent ban from the sport. TJ’s legacy has been almost completely eradicated due to his juicing but at least the guy admitted it and came back and fought with one arm for a title too. This guy threatens testers and beats up women and cry’s on stage about failing but then says oh I never cheated. Guys legacy is fictitious but fans seem to just overlook so much of his transgressions it’s unreal. DJ is the greatest.
I think what’s wild is as the sport goes on we’re going to look back and realize how even mediocre fighters now are way better adapted to the broader game of MMA than 1st and 2nd gen guys could ever have been, but also that progress is never linear and that so many of those old school guys would utterly annihilate if they could be taught new skills and brought back at the peak of their power like Sword Saint Isshin at the end of Sekiro - like imagine Rickson Gracie being revived at his peak and learning to throw kicks with his crazy flexibility or Saku learning to clinch masterfully and throw elbows
23:50 was not expecting the Henry honesty haha but I’m here for it. Never made sense to me. Took an interim strap over a guy who has lost 6 of his last 7 only to defend a very questionable stoppage a couple seconds before the round ends. All in all, great stuff as per usual
@Thial Hoinj hating? Please enlighten me: tell me EXACTLY which sentence I said that wasn’t an objective fact? I’ll return to this comment eagerly. The fact that you call it “hating” while not being able to identify a falsity proves my statement valid. And if it’s valid, you sure you’re not projecting? Maybe you’re not so secure in his status? Meanwhile, your comment has flat out incorrect info. EPO is not “steroids”. Full stop. Please note I said nothing more, nothing less. Anything you add you’ve done on your own to my statement. Net, I could care less how Henry’s legacy is remembered. I don’t work for him nor am I related. I’m just a guy. But it’s factually accurate that he he fought a Dom 1,000 days beyond his last contest and a DJ who resorted to EPO to cut the final pounds (I was a collegiate runner I’m very familiar with what EPO does which is highly relevant). And I only comment on DJ bc YOU. Notice I never mentioned that fight in my comment. You went out of your way to incorrectly attribute steroids to him to weaponize the status of the win to suit your narrative.
@Thial Hoinj You brought up EPO, remember? Remember when I anticipated that and made that perfectly clear prior to you attempting this broken logic ? It was obvious you’d cling to that as your olive branch but I already removed it sir. Be a man enough to admit you’re incorrect claiming I brought up ANY thing steroids or EPO. I simply corrected a factual inaccuracy. And even said this prior to your responding. YOU brought up “steroids”. I also never brought up Dom’s absence in my original comment. Will you knowledge you incorrectly attributed this to me to suit your own rationalization? I simply said yet another objective truth: the fight was stopped at the closing bell of the round which is questionable. Operating word: “questionable”. Fighting through a knockdown if there’s some level of scramble when the shots aren’t sleeping a fighter is expected to granted universally. Before you object, HENRY even said this: “is it me or do all these referees now days stop fights due to knockdowns? Give these guys a opportunity to fight back. A knockdown is not a knockout!” Mind you, he said this in direct response to Kopylov faceplanting Chirico lol so yeah mate that’s questionably even if I’m conservative. That doesn’t even provide commentary on whether I agree or who I think won. Yet you’re getting emotional on a diatribe about excuses. When you are the sole person who introduced a SINGLE one. I did however reference another fighter. But it wasn’t Dom. Do you really not know who i was referring to? I didn’t say his name bc I figured you were capable of checking which I still believe. I find it odd and interesting you have gone out of your way to move goal posts and avoid the reality that the form of that fighter I referenced has been, unfortunately for his career, blatantly evident. Answer my question as I said to your response in the first place: what part about ANY of my original comment is inaccurate? Stop adding things that YOU offered up without thinking the ramifications of your own argument prior to introducing. Below is my original comment bc you don’t seem to be referencing facts anymore. Please consult the below: “… Took an interim strap over a guy who has lost 6 of his last 7 only to defend a very questionable stoppage a couple seconds before the round ends.“ And again, just so you don’t feel the urge to anger type without thinking: tell me what sad factually Incorrect in my original statement that constitutes an excuse. Please don’t run or side step or move goal posts. You made a claim I’m holding you firmly to it to answer and I will refresh this often to read your response. I respected you enough to be specific and on topic. I ask you afford me the same courtesy. Or in the least I’ll take your honesty and not more lies.
No joke, as I was watching this I was like god I hope he makes a Chael Sonnen tier above joke. And you did it. You god damn did you beautiful man. Incredible video.
Also… for real… it just depends on the era you started watching and who you hold emotions for. my era is the Fedor is the 🐐 era. I loved watching Igor Vovchanchyns thick little short legs head kick fools. Mach Sakurai and his porn debacle - the rise of Hideo Tokoro into the Japanese Jiu jitsu matches (totally underrated and ignored) and many more. Great list dude, and cheers for being true to you.
Quality as always but how could you not put in Sakuraba bro.Kazushi Sakuraba deserves a mention.There was nothing like him and will never be anything like him ever again.Man was basically a Lightweight by modern standards.Bas Rutten used to joke that he put books in his pants to make weight.And this guy beat Trt Belfort, Rampage, Ken Shamrock, Kevin Randleman, Almost got Wanderlei.I mean these guys are heavyweights or roided monsters or both.Imagine GSP beating Belfort and Saku was smaller than George.Also broke Gracie invincibility.First man to beat Royce.He was Prides first star.New fans should really appreciate him more.Would be dope if you make a video about him.
Amanda Nunez deserves to be in tier 3. No female MMA fighter will ever have a more prestigious fighting career than her. Defeating, Tate, Rousey, Cyborg, Holms, and even avenged her loss to Pena with a rematch to take the belt back. She lost because she was recovering from Covid, she looked pale and wasn’t fighting at her best and tapped when she could’ve kept on fighting. Hands down, the indisputable best women’s MMA fighter ever with a total of 8 belt defenses with her bouncing between two weight classes to keep those belts. Destroying all the competition before her (Until she caught covid) and retiring as the rightful queen of women’s MMA
Excellent video and fair logic for your choices. My only complaint is where is Werdum? Wins over Fedor, Cain, Nogueira, Hunt, Gus, Overeem. Sure he fell of big near the end of his UFC run but he has a legendary career with some hall of fame level wins.
Schevchenko and Nuñez should be 1 tier higher (nuñez maybe even higher) imo Also, i'm a Khabib fan but i think you put him exactly where he should be and you explained it very well
Kabib analogy spot on many fighters move up/down to search for the two division family aside I think he lost interest when his father and his dreams/expectations died brilliant docu/piece
Three things that halted Khabib's legacy Injuries: When he beat the future lw chap prime RDA at age 24 back in 2014 he was just couple months away from achieving his dream but major injuries kept him sidelined for 2 years and the man was contemplating whether he should retire but his father convinced him Dana's Privilege: In 2016 Khabib was suppose to be scheduled against Eddie Alvarez for the lw title, but Dana gifted the fw champ Conor (who has yet to defended his belt) a title shot at lw and after beating Eddie held both division for a year and a half boxing Floyd Early retirement: The guy predicted his retirement a decade ago at 24 in an interview and won't risk his health any further having grander plan to achieve and another factor that played was Makhachev's time to claim that strap. He could have squeezed in 3 more title defenses if it wasn't for the 9 months suspension, COVID and his late Father dying who meant everything to him.
Uneducated people call gsp or jones the goat, the real goat is someone that always showed up, stayed undefeated, and never got knocked down in his career. As you might’ve guessed, im talking about cm punk
How can you say Khabibs not higher because “of how much they’ve actually achieved”, but your reason for Cruz being the best bantamweight was because of what he could have been?
Well if he had put khabib on the basis of his dominance and his future achievements then he would have faced too much criticism because of anti khabib fans. Khabib is recent fighter with more hype and too many fans and anti ones
I think Khabib should go Tier 2. So should Connor. Because Greatness isn’t only skill (which especially Khabib was probably top 3 of all time w/ Jones and GSP). It’s much more. And these two probably brought more people to the UFC than all the other fighters combined.
@@SamuelMills-ez4jo Yeah. Volk lost a fight (althought early in his career) against a 19-13 fighter. But aside from that he has definitly not done more for and in the sport than Connor and Khabib. The amount of attention these two got is the sole reason there are as many fihgers as there are now. As many RUclips Channels about UFC as there are now. As many people watching it. Literally 1 out of 2 people watching the UFC got into the sport because of these two names.
@@kibbit1373imagine if volk retired after his yair fight. He would of been 35 at fw. Khabib retired 32 at LW only fighting 1-2 styles of fighters not many like volks faced
Damn your videos are good mate, been doing a bit of film study, ima nab some sort of video idea out of the 30/pyramid/topic list. I wanna do 3D stuff which randomly.... you seem to also do 3d sometimes like the SEG Era cut in your martial arts styles iceberg video. That must be for a video I haven't seen yet lol. I digress. Your channel is officially marked as a "Must watch every video, prolly twice". So that speaks for itself on what you've contributed to the MMA community, Thanks.
Thank you very much mate! That SEG segment was from an older video I did but RUclips sent it to hell and age restricted so I have since deleted it. The Tony Ferguson and khabib video has more of that type of stuff in it. And next weekend I’m dropping a 4 hour video which has loads and loads of 3D effects. I use after effects for most of the time line stuff. And I’ve now started learning Blendr to do some other stuff. I know adobe gets a load of hate for its pricing and that, but I love it, despite the cost, so edit on prem pro. If you ever want to have a chat or anything about how I do things or go about making videos reach out on insta or email.
@@MixedMartialAcademic Awesome man, I have been terrified of Abode yeah because of the price. I should of learned it already but I chose to learn blender. Anyway I did shoot you an email thanks that means alot to me man.
good list, would put GSP or DJ for tier 1 since they have no history of banned substance instead of JBJ imo. You can always question legacy with them banned substance
That’s a crazy take on aljo, he earned that win and deserves to be champ, not his fault tj went in injured , when he knew he was hurt for a couple months
Jones at number 1 while understandable is also frustrating because the other (to my knowledge) never cheated and if it is a game of inches as you say then yeah maybe if the other cheated too they could have been that inch better too...
Interesting time for me to stumble on this. So im wondering, where do guys put Pereira right now? Mind you the rematch vs jiri is tomorrow, I think I'd put him up there in lower tier 3. If he wins, hes next to Fedor imo. Normally I'd say 10-2 is waaaaaaaaaaay too few fights, but with who those fights are against its a bit different. Maybe I'm slightly biased cause I did fw him in Glory.
Hmmm, I think I might actually agree with your placement. Maybe you take into account the fact he spent so long over in kickboxing. But like wow he is incredible. Right now tier 3 sounds good!
Difficult to have a clear cut number 1 who has most likely been on PEDs for most of his career and could have easily lost 2 of his past 3 fights by decision.
How is Kattar not dead from that Holloway fight? If I throw 400+ strikes in a training session I'm a little sore from it, but imagine receiving that many
@@KM-iv9xy Im a kickboxer and actually I have absorbed shots like that ...if youre a fighter , you NEED to be conditioned its not always about hitting others Also next fight's this August ..its a pro boxing match
@@KM-iv9xy I can tell from your comment only that you dont fight nor fo any striking sports ..cause you say you would be sore from throwing 400+ punches in a session ... Well I run 10k before heading to the gym ..and then do sparing , padwork , bagwork ...never counted how many punches but its easily 2000+..fighters can take hits cause they are conditioned ..and there are some freaks out there who will take shots to the chin intentionally
@malemasterrace478 no, you're wrong. I don't care what your opinion is, and I didn't ask for it either I don't care to justify or argue with some shit talking kid on the internet so I'll leave it at that. Good luck in your fight 👍
Great list, my only problem is that Islam isn't on it - even in tier five - if Oliveira and Volk are on the list (as they deserve to be), the man who convincingly defeated both of them and snapped their streaks should be too.
But - what about Jones' steroid use? How do you put him on top considering his steroid use? That to me disqualifies him from the number one spot, regardless how genuinely good he was and is. You could argue that "everyone uses steroids", but do they really? There is no definitive proof od this.
Because even without his steroid use, nobody has come close to the fight IQ that Jon Jones has. His ways of decimating opponents is frightening and isn’t only achieved due to performance enhancing drugs. He’s just that damn good.
@@jamessurnamepending1239 all those guys are great but they don’t come close. Jones has a killer instinct when he fights, it makes him brutal and terrifying. The way he’s able to pinpoint parts of someone’s body to utilize for a takedown is insane. Just look at how he took down DC. He rocked him which made him stumble a bit, then he started putting more pressure on him to startle him, then he sweeps his leg which makes him fall to the ground for Jones to dominate. It felt almost like a serial killer in a movie. No other fighter has been able to compare to his fight IQ.
@Buskeeeeeeee sorry for my late reply, someone actually reported me for hate speech for saying Jon Jones wasn't the GOAT which I gotta admit is hilarious. While Jones' fight IQ is very good, I just don't think you can compare it to someone like GSP. The speed and creativity of his combinations are far beyond Jon Jones. Yes, he's very brutal but I think that more comes down to the fact he genuinely enjoys hurting and upsetting people, whereas GSP wanted his opponents to be hurt as little as possible. GSP could still pinpoint and exploit even the smallest weakness, as we saw the few times he actually wanted to hurt people, so I don't think Jon Jones has anything on him there. I think a better comparison is Dimitrious Johnson, who had the same fight IQ and also wasn't afraid to hurt his opponents. Just look at how fast he follows up his attacks. He knows exactly how his opponents are going to react and is already throwing a knee to finish them off or getting ready to take them down. Hell, just look at his flying armbar, that's probably the best display of martial arts skill I have ever seen. I think that when you combine the fact that these two match his IQ and overall have more grappling and boxing skill with the fact they never tested positive for PEDs, never ducked a fight and never had a loss that was counted as a decision win, its pretty clear Jon Isn't on the same level. I'd say he's tier 3
This has to be the one of the best videos about the MMA GOAT discussion. I love that finally someone puts some respect on Conors accomplishments. Few of the changes I’d make: Aldo in Tier 2, BJ in Tier 4, Machida in Tier 5
He said, "I put dominick Cruz up there because of what he could've achieved." Then he said "Khabib is all the way down here because I'm ranking by what you have achieved not what you could have"
Two very different circumstances that I fully explain. One was forced out of his career at his peak and returned to the top. We can therefore with a degree of accuracy predict that he would probably remain at the top defending his title in those 5 years he was absent. The other left, uninjured at the top and never returned, and never faced a meaningful amount of top contenders in his weight class… therefore we literally have no idea what would have happened. Hope that clears that up for you mate, I pretty sure you can work out what I’m saying but there we are.
I know you mentioned it, but my personal problem with Usman at tier 3 is his weak title defences. 2x journeyman Masvidal, who never should have gotten that second titleshot (and the first was also mostly hype based) and 2x close fights against Colby Covington. Burns is a legitimate good defence, but he did get dropped though.
Big facts. Even if he beat GSP defence record, I'd still have GSP ahead based on competition And if that's the case izzy should go down too... only notable win is against Whittaker n he arguably lost the second one. Alex should already be ahead of him... he at least competed better when he moves up as well
Yall are devaluing shit. Israel has over 100 fights and lost 7 times to 4 people, he lost to 4 people in his whole life , 44 stoppages across the board
@Thial Hoinj selective bias, a cocky fighter? That's bread and butter everyone says I'm the man, I'm built different, I'm this I'm that I don't see how them being cocky is different from Jon Jones or Nate Diaz if you fight for a living you are saying you think you can defeat most 1 v1 cocky by nature. But that Elsa line was funny but objectively speaking he might not be a ufc goat but Israels record is very impressive for someone who started as late as he did and his ufc run with his below average wrestling and also his wins with his lack of knockout power is pretty neat can't let subjective views on personality blind from his Work Izzy should at least be top 5 greatest middleweights and top 15 greatest champions
@@Kaihegon so beating Costa was nothing? Stopping Brunson? Stopping Wilkinson who is currently Bellator Light heavy weight champ? Schooling Tavarez? Beating Marvin twice? Beating Jared practically 5 nil War with Gastelum Imagine fighting killers so we as fans look at your work and say meh Well thats why we watch and talk and they fight and get paid and we judge them unfairly by saying a guy with over 100 fights and lost to 4 men only and stopped 44 men has only 1 good win
Definitely agree with almost everything on this, however I somehow expected Lyoto to be in tier 5. Maybe I'm just biased because he's my favorite fighter ever.
>Likes Colby >Puts McGregor a single tier below Khabib >Thinks Petr Yan won the second fight against Sterling Yeah I'm gonna take this list with a gigantic mountain of 🧂.
Having Jones as the goat because of his win over Gane is insane. How is a win over a guy that has zero grappling skills the deciding factor? For me Jones was already the goat before becoming HW champ and he obviously still is.
Good video. I really appreciate your efforts (and have enjoyed other videos of yours). also really glad to see Frankie Edgar get the appreciation he deserves; felt like he was ignored for long critical stretches. Of course (prime) Fedor is #1, but hey.
i appreciate the 20% off im sponsored with fishing so i hope you're getting paid off that. been wanting the manscape since the first commercial i seen appreciate the videos bro great work
About Chute Boxe: It's from my hometown, Curitiba. Very far from Rio and a very different culture, it's actually bizarre how many champions popped out of a single tiny place
@@MixedMartialAcademic I don't even disagree with your list tbh. JBJ has to be #1, Silva #4, GSP and Mighty Mouse a toss-up depending on which factors you weigh more heavily. Sad that we never got to see a Johnson-Cejudo trilogy.
IMO Anderson Silva is the GOAT and I'll tell you why. None of these guys remained undefeated until they were 38 years of age. Jones is 35, after he turned 30 he fought only 4 times and arguably lost 2 of those fights, failed drug tests multiple times IN HIS PRIME. When Anderson failed his test he was already past 40 and he had broken his leg in half so that's irrelevant. Anderson was the most dominant champ in his prime, he never lost in his prime, never struggled against any opponent (he fought a juiced up Chael with a cracked rib and still managed to win), he beat multiple champs and was a very complete fighter, killer muay thai, great jiu jitsu, great boxing, great clinch, titanium chin, great cardio. I love Jones but getting suspended multiple times, fighting once a year and having long lay offs don't make you the GOAT, it's easy to keep your record if you're not fighting, Anderson Silva was fighting 2 to 3 times a year defending his belt when he was Jone's age.
I personally believe that Khabib's career was relatively short, so I could see myself getting over him in tier 3. However, it's truly criminal that Emelianenko is in the same tier as Adesanya.
who did fedor beat? other than Nog and cro cop a bunch of decent fighters to cans. Sure 30 fight win streak but khabib did that but better with more dominance, more skill, better fighters beat and 0 losses.
I like the production and effort put into the list. Although I can't help but think that Ronda Rousey would have been the perfect inclusion into the 5th tier as she didn't fight a high level of competition but she shaped the sport and had a massive win streak. Also Joanna probably deserved to be on the 5th tier as well. I would have moved Shevchenko up at least one tier.
Honestly mate, it's noticeable that the quality of your content keeps improving. But I do have to repeat Booo for your goat choice, you know Sakuraba should be there.
@@MixedMartialAcademic all joking aside it has to be Bones and it's not even close. In 2011 he blew my mind when he wrecked Bader, Rua, Belfort, Lyoto and RAMPAGE. In my humble opinion those 5 wins are far more impressive than Khabibs 3 title defences and Conor's champ champ combined.
We all know who the real #1 is. "You're looking at the reflection of perfection. You're looking at the man who gets all your attention. You're looking at the man with the biggest arm. At the man, with the greatest charm, the man in Chicago who will do harm to the guy three doors down. Whatcha gonna do, when you know who? Howya gonna deal, with the man of steel? How ya gonna react to Sonnen's attack? Tune in on the 28th! 8 p.m. Eastern Time! You'll find out who the real champion is."
Lance Armstrong is the Goat. What you don't understand is all these fighters and cyclists are on PED's. And I mean ALL of them. Some get called out and the losers don't. They do anything it takes to be the best. So the losers on PED'S aren't as good as the Winner's on PED'S.
Bravo on this masterpiece of a video 👏🏼 I have no complaints with your tear list and my opinion on what defines greatness is the skills and knowledge you possess in making this video…thank you for sharing it with us it’s much appreciated 🙏🏼
@@MixedMartialAcademic Jones PED user is the GOAT? The John Jones who should have lost the fights if the judges weren't biased? Of course, he is easily Tier 2, but the Goat?
Tier 1 is Jones no doubt. Tier 2 you have to add Stipe. In Tier 3 we remove Khabib (it's an insult to put him next to DC and Fedor) and Adesanya (also insulting to be near DC and Fedor) and you like it or no you need to add McGregor (double champ, conquered a weight class, got bored of it and moved up, then lost his entire focus for the boxing money and didn't recover, but he already had done enough to be Tier 3), and soon another guy in Tier 3 is expected to be Volkanovski, imo he already should be because he got robbed against Islam. Tier 4 is where guys like Khabib and Adesanya fit, extremely talented but have not really proven themselves at the top of the top.
Just getting back to watching MMA fights, soo happy to see Anderson on Tier 2. The end of his career was really tough, but when on his prime, all o Brazil would be watching him fight. True legend.
A true legend was Anderson.. Unfortunately both for his fighting and then stupidity.. It was incredible how devastating Silva would become; and incredibly stupid that he lost, then got injured and had to retire, all because of his taunting.. It's about trying to make it look easy for some fighters, but that and or taunting can lead to a whole career thrown away, as Anderson Silva would prove.. So disappointed that he didn't get to show us his full talent and career, as he had a fighting ability I don't think anyone else ever quite matched up to!
Great work here I enjoyed this. I think GSP avenging both of his losses and no drug scandals puts him in the same bracket as Jones as GOAT myself. I dont think he can be put below him. Jones beats Stipe and then I think he can take number 1.
He fought the best. He fought for the title, he won the title, defended it several times and in the end he was undefeated. What's to be achieved really? Legacy? @@maksymilian4000
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Objective: Upset Khabib fans and Israel Adesanya Haters
I'll just start off a topic for now, that all those that say Khabib hadn't fought wrestlers, or that Khabib doesn't know striking suited for UFC.
Don't know what they are speaking about.
Shinya Aoki, Kazushi Sakuraba, and Michael Page should be on there somewhere.
@@ahmedhaaqil3903 Khabib does have the most padded record in UFC history.
There is no denying what Jon Jones has achieved, but the minute you pop for steroids, not once, but twice! You're not even in the conversation. He shouldn't have a place on the pyramid at all. Imagine Messi being found out for performance enhancing drugs? Imagine any great of any sport. Its game over. It makes me sick how much everyone is pushing the narrative of Jones being the greatest of all time. He's a fucking drug cheat. Game over. This takes the UFC back 30 years.
Can i post a link here? If you say NO i won't be mad. If you say nothing i will take it as a YES.
20 seconds in and I’m wondering how half of these guys made into that the list? And then I waited until the end and completely agreed on Chael Sonnen as the greatest ever.
Yep the video just ended early, and did not show that the whole pyramid is just a pedestal for the undefeated mr. Sonnen
Of course! Chael IS the pyramid
this channel is a clown
You guys need to come up off this tired ass cringe virgin joke
The rest are not even close! Fkn amateurs
Khabib's retirement is the most "what if" situation in the history of MMA. The guy was so dominant.
nah the "most what if" in mma is what if chael sonnen lost a round
@@philiptnt to be fair he did lose a round when he tapped to Anderson - but only to win the fight.
But who did he really beat?
@@yteriaereh6467 well if u actually watch MMA and not just for the hype you'll know
@@blobpoop6301 You know what I mean, he really didn't beat any top contenders. I say edson, porier and justin were his most significant wins
28 minutes in: " Dominick Cruz is on here because of what he could've been"
32 minutes in: "you can only judge khabib on what he did not what he could've done" took 4 whole minutes to contradict himself. Great video tho, takes balls to make this and lots of hard work and research
The difference here is Khabib retired on his own terms, while Dominick was cursed with injuries. No one can recover from that while you're constantly aging. Time beat Dominick, while Khabib was still on his prime.
still not really a good argument, thats like putting TKZ on the list, he was robbed of his prime years for mandatory military service but potential cant be a deciding factor in a GOAT tier list imo @@Zombade80
@@Zombade80 and? he still contradicted himself
@@noctiuagus1369 No, he didn't. The context of Khabib and Dominic are very different. If those two were in a similar situation, then it'd count as a contradiction
@@Zombade80 It doesn't matter because either scenario does not add more to your resume/record. If someone argued in favor of Dominic Cruz, I would not accept that. If someone argued in favor of Khabib Nurmagomedov, I would not accept that.
The fact that Volk is at tier 4 is insane, he is a top 5 fighter,like how is adeasanya so high with such boring match ups and so many robberies
Was thinking the same. I think izzy being in the same tier as aldo is crime.
Volk will just lose to everyone if doesn't avenge his loss to makhachev. That loss dented volk's confidence and he would never be the same.
@@DarkWarrior_1 Not true Volk is still a beast and also defeated Yair Rodriguez after
@@DarkWarrior_1 He literally dominated Yair straight after. Makhachev took about 8 months off only to face the opponent he beat prior to his loss to Volk. What're you on
If you watched the video he said he made a mistake and he would probably swap volk and Izzy.
GSP is totally number 1 for me. He’s got not only the titles, but also the behavior of the GOAT. To me, that goes hand in hand. Other than that, it’s a list I can get behind. Specially the S+ tier.
So you think Cain valasquez, chuck liddel and fedor are better than max or that izzy stipe aldo dc and fedor are better than volk?
Good overall list, but I’m kind of sad Tony Ferguson didn’t get a shout. He’s tied for the longest winstreak in lightweight right now, and before his knee injury was the scariest man in the division. People avoided his fights, and him and Khabib was the biggest what-if in the sport
Ah same, I didn’t notice till you said it. Longest Lw streak and supreme conditioning and the boogeyman for years
Agree 100 percent
Probably genuinely forgot about him tbh
With all due respect, I disagree.
He fell of quite hard, plus he's never been a champion
No it wasn’t khabib was gone win all 5 rounds
Fantastic list!
I'd personally put GSP as number one. I mean, yeah.... GSP and Mighty Mouse have losses but they also didn't have the benefit of the amazing training partners that Bones did. - I'm of course talking about T. Bol, T. Ren E. and Testcy Ponate.
Facts
I wish he had stayed hungry. He was so smart though to understand without the hunger the lion can't fight.
You had us in the first half not gonna lie
you really think GSP was clean his whole career? kids at the gym start taking steroids right after 2 weeks of training and you're talking about elite UFC fighters being clean? get a grip man! just cuz Jon got caught doesn't mean he's the only one.
@@mkyashar91nuh uh
Videos like this and 'The MMA Iceberg' are a cool change of pace from the more narrative driven stuff you make. Good stuff as always man!
GSP, DJ and Jon are all tier 1
I don't think you know how tiers work
Excellent video man, thank you for your hard work. People don't understand how difficult videos like this are and how much time goes into them. You did an incredible job and have one of the most solid, sound, reasonable lists that someone can make.
I love that you are self-aware and acknowledge your knowledge, or lack there of, as a fan. I started watching UFC when it began but I was a child so, even though I was a fan the whole way through, the Chuck Liddell era that you spoke of is the era I claim. It’s refreshing to see a newer fan speak on the history and the GOAT convo while also keeping themselves in check. Mark of a good man. Great video.
I agree. There are VERY FEW knowledgeable fans 25 and under nowadays. I'm born in '83 and I was 10 when I saw UFC 1. My gramma had the black cheat box, so all ppvs/movies/p*rno were free. And it was because of that 3 hour long BJJ commercial in Nov. '93 is how I found out about the p*rno. I was 10.5 and never really stayed up that late. AND by myself. Flicked through the handful of ppv channels and just accidentally stumbled upon 2 naked ppl doing it. My love for UFC and @$$ came in the same night, one after another. I'm 40 and fighting and screwing are still my two favorite things. All thanks to Gramma having the cheat box and an early bed time.
@@JamesHeinrich-vk7vz that’s beautiful bro. I’ve always said that life is all about the F’s. Fighting, F***ing, Food, Family, Friends, and Fun. We didn’t have the cheat box but my cousins did, so every time they had everyone over for big PPV events, us kids would be watching the skinamax channels later that night. Channels 22-25.
@@HighFightIQ YEA!!! I'm from Toronto, and if I'm not mistaken, it was 102-105 on our cheat box. I remember my Gramma would sometimes come out cus she couldn't sleep and would grab the remote and ALWAYS FORGET THE FIRST MOVIE CHANNEL AFTER 11PM IS THE DIRTY, so she'd go "let's see what movies are on" and flick to 102 and there'd be some dude getting topped CRAZY and she'd start fumbling the remote "omg, omg, JESUS" lmao. God I love the UFC.
Machida should have been an honorable mention for this. 1 Title defense, and a multi-weight class, three time title challenger.
You're stuck in the Machida Era.
@Tri_Beam If YOU'RE going to talk sh/t, at least get YOUR elementary school grammar in check. Otherwise you just look stupid.
@Tri_Beam doesn't make sense
@Tri_Beam fr
Machida is better than fucking Hendo 💀
Thank you for putting wanderlei on the list, to me he’s one of the greatest to ever do it and my favorite fighter of all time and did it in pride, some people, especially new fans have no idea who he is or why he earned the greatest mma nickname ever: “the axe murderer” and may god rest the souls of those who Silva chopped to pieces.
These cats are too young. Context is crucial with Wandy. That dude used to give me nightmares.
Wanderlei and Cain used to haunt my nightmares.
That dude got slept by Krazyhorse. He needs to be swapped with Charles.
IWANNANOW
And then he appeared... Mirko CroCop
What an ending!😂 absolutely perfect
Undefeated undisputed
This is a great list people often talk about who is the best or who’s top 5 but that’s usually currently people tend to forget about the old days or you have new fans that don’t even know about the old days. Making a list of just the top few also leaves out a lot of great fighters that have done some amazing things guys like Bj Penn, Frankie Edgar, or Max Holloway it’s good to see them on a list of greats.
none of the old heads are even in his top 10 tho
@Thial Hoinj adesanya and pereira are middleweight man, BJ was lightweight/welterweight.
Nnot sure you know what you're talking about
@Thial Hoinj also Usman aint a pushover, he defended 15 times, BJ could possibly beat him sure but Usman has better credentials, idk why u gotta pull any of them down
5*
@Thial Hoinj and also i just looked this up, but Aldo beat Kenny Florian, Uriah Faber, and Frankie Edgar in championship fights. If you think he's overrated then so are these old heads he beat
I would put DJ at number 1 but I can't hate on your list. Good job.
Thank you mate! I know it’s a subject for contention! I think it’s super super super close though, and feel like you can swap anyone of them 4 on any given day!
Man I'd put him next to Jones. I feel like he before that Gane fight he was Number One but it was close. Now it's even. What most people don't remember is that in One Flyweight is 135 lbs so he was a champ in two divisions
You can and should hate this list.
@@MixedMartialAcademic Well, i am disappointed in you young man. Shame on you.
@@adrapolska671 if you don't care about PEDs, a shit ton of eye pokes that can't be accidental and real-world crimes than he was number one even before the gane fight. If you do than he will never be the GOAT. IMO the GOAT needs to also represent the sport and i don't want Jones to represent my favorite sport. Mighty mouse all the way
What a ride this video was. Very well done once again, huge respect. But...I was heartbroken after I saw Fedor. It meant that Cro Cop was never gonna show up. I mean I lost the majority of hope after mid tier 4, but I think he deserved to be a solid high T5. I know this is about MMA only, but he basically had double the mileage of every T5 and T4 considering his almost legendary status Kickboxing background. One of the deadliest fighters of all time, with one of the best takedown defense of all time (post Nogueira fight), coming from K1. Overall, I really respect your list!
Fedor was a beast and like he said the docu is deep. I wish he would have left the game on top. I love him for spitting in UFCs Face
I really do believe fedor was overated. He sure was a beast in Pride but he had a lukewarm career when performing in the US (where the competition was arguably better - we can compare old records from pride champions who moved to the US and definitely faced more defeats). Unlike Anderson Silva, who fought only top 5 contenders waaaayy past his prime, Fedor fought similar level (post-prime) competition, and failed to gain momentum. He was good - and many saw him as the best in the early 00's -, but, in my opinion, although he was a beast against the early generation of arguably one-sided MMA fighters (who were either good at striking or grappling, but not good at both), he just wasn't as good when facing fighters trained in the more well-rounded post-GSP-era.
kid cro cop was a beast
@@oohlala5394 I genuinely cant believe anyone can call fedor overrated. Serious disrespect man. I support Fedor for giving ufc the middle finger but this is the consequence. Ufc has become so mainstream that anyone who doesnt set foot there has their whole career questioned. That man was a sight to behold in his prime. Till today i still dont understand how he survived randleman and even went on to win the match. There is a reason why Khabib put him at the top of his Goat list next to Jones as the greatest to ever do it. There is a reason why he is the only fighter in mma history who made almost all the old legends come to pay him homage in his last fight
So, you like when one person spits in another person's face? That's a little weird. "I love how that girl just SPIT in her bf's face, YA!!! F*CK HIM!!!" lol.
I don’t get how anyone can put jones first. The guy clearly lost to Reyes who isn’t a great fighter by any means, same with santos. He struggled to beat a no legged fighter. The rest of his amazing legacy is him fighting an older generation of light heavyweight’s that most of which, went down to middleweight because of their frame and size. Jones was essentially a guy with a heavyweight sized frame beating up older heavy middleweights. Soon as he started fighting the next generation of light heavyweight’s, he struggled way more with his fights against gus as a highlight. All of this whilst being caught juicing on 3 separate occasions, which usually would be either a 5 year to permanent ban from the sport. TJ’s legacy has been almost completely eradicated due to his juicing but at least the guy admitted it and came back and fought with one arm for a title too. This guy threatens testers and beats up women and cry’s on stage about failing but then says oh I never cheated. Guys legacy is fictitious but fans seem to just overlook so much of his transgressions it’s unreal.
DJ is the greatest.
I think what’s wild is as the sport goes on we’re going to look back and realize how even mediocre fighters now are way better adapted to the broader game of MMA than 1st and 2nd gen guys could ever have been, but also that progress is never linear and that so many of those old school guys would utterly annihilate if they could be taught new skills and brought back at the peak of their power like Sword Saint Isshin at the end of Sekiro - like imagine Rickson Gracie being revived at his peak and learning to throw kicks with his crazy flexibility or Saku learning to clinch masterfully and throw elbows
Lmao bus. The roid era pride beasts would stomp some of these new dudes
23:50 was not expecting the Henry honesty haha but I’m here for it. Never made sense to me. Took an interim strap over a guy who has lost 6 of his last 7 only to defend a very questionable stoppage a couple seconds before the round ends. All in all, great stuff as per usual
@Thial Hoinj hating? Please enlighten me: tell me EXACTLY which sentence I said that wasn’t an objective fact? I’ll return to this comment eagerly. The fact that you call it “hating” while not being able to identify a falsity proves my statement valid. And if it’s valid, you sure you’re not projecting? Maybe you’re not so secure in his status? Meanwhile, your comment has flat out incorrect info. EPO is not “steroids”. Full stop. Please note I said nothing more, nothing less. Anything you add you’ve done on your own to my statement.
Net, I could care less how Henry’s legacy is remembered. I don’t work for him nor am I related. I’m just a guy. But it’s factually accurate that he he fought a Dom 1,000 days beyond his last contest and a DJ who resorted to EPO to cut the final pounds (I was a collegiate runner I’m very familiar with what EPO does which is highly relevant). And I only comment on DJ bc YOU. Notice I never mentioned that fight in my comment. You went out of your way to incorrectly attribute steroids to him to weaponize the status of the win to suit your narrative.
@Thial Hoinj You brought up EPO, remember? Remember when I anticipated that and made that perfectly clear prior to you attempting this broken logic ? It was obvious you’d cling to that as your olive branch but I already removed it sir. Be a man enough to admit you’re incorrect claiming I brought up ANY thing steroids or EPO. I simply corrected a factual inaccuracy. And even said this prior to your responding. YOU brought up “steroids”.
I also never brought up Dom’s absence in my original comment. Will you knowledge you incorrectly attributed this to me to suit your own rationalization? I simply said yet another objective truth: the fight was stopped at the closing bell of the round which is questionable. Operating word: “questionable”. Fighting through a knockdown if there’s some level of scramble when the shots aren’t sleeping a fighter is expected to granted universally. Before you object, HENRY even said this: “is it me or do all these referees now days stop fights due to knockdowns? Give these guys a opportunity to fight back. A knockdown is not a knockout!” Mind you, he said this in direct response to Kopylov faceplanting Chirico lol so yeah mate that’s questionably even if I’m conservative. That doesn’t even provide commentary on whether I agree or who I think won. Yet you’re getting emotional on a diatribe about excuses. When you are the sole person who introduced a SINGLE one.
I did however reference another fighter. But it wasn’t Dom. Do you really not know who i was referring to? I didn’t say his name bc I figured you were capable of checking which I still believe. I find it odd and interesting you have gone out of your way to move goal posts and avoid the reality that the form of that fighter I referenced has been, unfortunately for his career, blatantly evident.
Answer my question as I said to your response in the first place: what part about ANY of my original comment is inaccurate? Stop adding things that YOU offered up without thinking the ramifications of your own argument prior to introducing.
Below is my original comment bc you don’t seem to be referencing facts anymore. Please consult the below:
“… Took an interim strap over a guy who has lost 6 of his last 7 only to defend a very questionable stoppage a couple seconds before the round ends.“
And again, just so you don’t feel the urge to anger type without thinking: tell me what sad factually Incorrect in my original statement that constitutes an excuse. Please don’t run or side step or move goal posts. You made a claim I’m holding you firmly to it to answer and I will refresh this often to read your response. I respected you enough to be specific and on topic. I ask you afford me the same courtesy. Or in the least I’ll take your honesty and not more lies.
No joke, as I was watching this I was like god I hope he makes a Chael Sonnen tier above joke. And you did it. You god damn did you beautiful man. Incredible video.
Video hasn't come out yet and already there's controversy 😂
Tell me about it ahahaha 😂 GGs to my channel
@@MixedMartialAcademic This is the single worse thing Academics has ever done. Only Napoleon can save him now.
Also… for real… it just depends on the era you started watching and who you hold emotions for. my era is the Fedor is the 🐐 era. I loved watching Igor Vovchanchyns thick little short legs head kick fools. Mach Sakurai and his porn debacle - the rise of Hideo Tokoro into the Japanese Jiu jitsu matches (totally underrated and ignored) and many more. Great list dude, and cheers for being true to you.
After his performance last night, I’m definitely not opposed to Izzy being where he is on the list 👍🏻
Band wagon fan .recency biased fan . Peasant . That’s what you are loser
Quality as always but how could you not put in Sakuraba bro.Kazushi Sakuraba deserves a mention.There was nothing like him and will never be anything like him ever again.Man was basically a Lightweight by modern standards.Bas Rutten used to joke that he put books in his pants to make weight.And this guy beat Trt Belfort, Rampage, Ken Shamrock, Kevin Randleman, Almost got Wanderlei.I mean these guys are heavyweights or roided monsters or both.Imagine GSP beating Belfort and Saku was smaller than George.Also broke Gracie invincibility.First man to beat Royce.He was Prides first star.New fans should really appreciate him more.Would be dope if you make a video about him.
Alls after smoking a pack of nonfilters to boot. Saku was a beast of nature
He's too young to know Sakuraba.
@@Pyryp2 I'm younger than he is.This is not a matter of age but research,which he does prettt well.He,s included other fighters from that time.
@@greyheart3001 Yes but he has a clear recency bias toward fighters he has experienced, as shown by having Fedor on tier 3.
Amanda Nunez deserves to be in tier 3. No female MMA fighter will ever have a more prestigious fighting career than her. Defeating, Tate, Rousey, Cyborg, Holms, and even avenged her loss to Pena with a rematch to take the belt back. She lost because she was recovering from Covid, she looked pale and wasn’t fighting at her best and tapped when she could’ve kept on fighting.
Hands down, the indisputable best women’s MMA fighter ever with a total of 8 belt defenses with her bouncing between two weight classes to keep those belts. Destroying all the competition before her (Until she caught covid) and retiring as the rightful queen of women’s MMA
It’ll be fun after another decade to come back to this and see how it holds up
Excellent video and fair logic for your choices. My only complaint is where is Werdum? Wins over Fedor, Cain, Nogueira, Hunt, Gus, Overeem. Sure he fell of big near the end of his UFC run but he has a legendary career with some hall of fame level wins.
List is pretty spot on, but as much as i dont like him, triple C definitely needs to be bumped up a tier
Who the fuck is this guy??
Schevchenko and Nuñez should be 1 tier higher (nuñez maybe even higher) imo
Also, i'm a Khabib fan but i think you put him exactly where he should be and you explained it very well
Kabib analogy spot on many fighters move up/down to search for the two division family aside I think he lost interest when his father and his dreams/expectations died brilliant docu/piece
Ronda
@@CF1091 lol
@@jootpepet kkk
Three things that halted Khabib's legacy
Injuries:
When he beat the future lw chap prime RDA at age 24 back in 2014 he was just couple months away from achieving his dream but major injuries kept him sidelined for 2 years and the man was contemplating whether he should retire but his father convinced him
Dana's Privilege:
In 2016 Khabib was suppose to be scheduled against Eddie Alvarez for the lw title, but Dana gifted the fw champ Conor (who has yet to defended his belt) a title shot at lw and after beating Eddie held both division for a year and a half boxing Floyd
Early retirement:
The guy predicted his retirement a decade ago at 24 in an interview and won't risk his health any further having grander plan to achieve and another factor that played was Makhachev's time to claim that strap. He could have squeezed in 3 more title defenses if it wasn't for the 9 months suspension, COVID and his late Father dying who meant everything to him.
I thought I was the GOAT but I didn't even make the list.
Uneducated people call gsp or jones the goat, the real goat is someone that always showed up, stayed undefeated, and never got knocked down in his career. As you might’ve guessed, im talking about cm punk
i think Kris Cyborg can make a case to be on the list but other than a few placement issues, its an excellent list imo.
Cris cyborg is one of the best female fighters of all time!!!!
I think there should be a second list for the females.
Max tier 5 is crazyyyyy
Good on Uncle Chael for thinking ahead and letting Anderson Silva get so high on this list.
People forget that BJ Penn got his black belt in 2 YEARS. He was so naturally gifted in his prime. If he would of started training sooner....
He was an animal
His speed and reaction time was weird man
Penn being tier 5 while Khabib is tier 3 is crazy. Prime BJ beats prime Khabib.
How can you say Khabibs not higher because “of how much they’ve actually achieved”, but your reason for Cruz being the best bantamweight was because of what he could have been?
Dominick had to retire because of constant injuries. Khabib retired on his on terms during his prime.
@@Zombade80that doesn’t make it any less of a contradiction kiddo…
Well if he had put khabib on the basis of his dominance and his future achievements then he would have faced too much criticism because of anti khabib fans. Khabib is recent fighter with more hype and too many fans and anti ones
Someone who tested positive cannot be ranked above someone who was clean and had similar record and also never bleeding.
Nobody cares.
12 title defences vs 3 title defences
Similar record right ??
You missed Werdum also
I love your commentary!! And you’re channel you’re very creative new fan here !!
saying kamaru was "milimiters" away from achieving WW goat status is a wild statement to say the least
Not really, don't disrespect Usman's legacy
2-3 defenses and a Retirment yeah. Only guy who could of beat him is belal
It's ABSURD. Kamaru needed like 3 more title defences at minimum.
Kamaru also never went up to get the middleweight title
Seeing Adesanya and Usman next to Khabib and DC physical hurt me
I think he got khabib wrong tbh but u ig there only so many spots in tier 2
They are easily on one level with Khabib
Both had better competition
I think Khabib should go Tier 2.
So should Connor.
Because Greatness isn’t only skill (which especially Khabib was probably top 3 of all time w/ Jones and GSP). It’s much more.
And these two probably brought more people to the UFC than all the other fighters combined.
Volk has done everything and more than khabib. Love conor but he should be on tier 3 at best.
@@SamuelMills-ez4jo Yeah.
Volk lost a fight (althought early in his career) against a 19-13 fighter.
But aside from that he has definitly not done more for and in the sport than Connor and Khabib.
The amount of attention these two got is the sole reason there are as many fihgers as there are now.
As many RUclips Channels about UFC as there are now.
As many people watching it.
Literally 1 out of 2 people watching the UFC got into the sport because of these two names.
@@kibbit1373imagine if volk retired after his yair fight. He would of been 35 at fw. Khabib retired 32 at LW only fighting 1-2 styles of fighters not many like volks faced
Conor shouldn't be there at all. If we're going by PPV sales then it Conor tier 1, Brock and Ronda tier 2, everyone else tier 5 or 6.
Damn your videos are good mate, been doing a bit of film study, ima nab some sort of video idea out of the 30/pyramid/topic list. I wanna do 3D stuff which randomly.... you seem to also do 3d sometimes like the SEG Era cut in your martial arts styles iceberg video. That must be for a video I haven't seen yet lol. I digress.
Your channel is officially marked as a "Must watch every video, prolly twice". So that speaks for itself on what you've contributed to the MMA community, Thanks.
Thank you very much mate! That SEG segment was from an older video I did but RUclips sent it to hell and age restricted so I have since deleted it. The Tony Ferguson and khabib video has more of that type of stuff in it. And next weekend I’m dropping a 4 hour video which has loads and loads of 3D effects. I use after effects for most of the time line stuff. And I’ve now started learning Blendr to do some other stuff. I know adobe gets a load of hate for its pricing and that, but I love it, despite the cost, so edit on prem pro. If you ever want to have a chat or anything about how I do things or go about making videos reach out on insta or email.
@@MixedMartialAcademic Awesome man, I have been terrified of Abode yeah because of the price. I should of learned it already but I chose to learn blender. Anyway I did shoot you an email thanks that means alot to me man.
good list, would put GSP or DJ for tier 1 since they have no history of banned substance instead of JBJ imo. You can always question legacy with them banned substance
That’s a crazy take on aljo, he earned that win and deserves to be champ, not his fault tj went in injured , when he knew he was hurt for a couple months
Regardless of if he knew it still makes the win less impressive. He beat a guy with 1 arm
Not really lol he won the belt by getting outstruck for 5 rounds then defended it in the most boring way possible then beat on an old broken man
@@nervouspanic5286 lmao hater with 0 knowledge
Sure it's not his fault but that doesn't change the fact he was fighting a one armed man in a punching contest.
Common sense take on aljo***
Jones at number 1 while understandable is also frustrating because the other (to my knowledge) never cheated and if it is a game of inches as you say then yeah maybe if the other cheated too they could have been that inch better too...
Interesting time for me to stumble on this. So im wondering, where do guys put Pereira right now? Mind you the rematch vs jiri is tomorrow, I think I'd put him up there in lower tier 3. If he wins, hes next to Fedor imo.
Normally I'd say 10-2 is waaaaaaaaaaay too few fights, but with who those fights are against its a bit different.
Maybe I'm slightly biased cause I did fw him in Glory.
Hmmm, I think I might actually agree with your placement. Maybe you take into account the fact he spent so long over in kickboxing. But like wow he is incredible. Right now tier 3 sounds good!
Oh my god the ending☠️☠️☠️. INCREDIBLE! The build up to that was so fucking good. Wow.
Difficult to have a clear cut number 1 who has most likely been on PEDs for most of his career and could have easily lost 2 of his past 3 fights by decision.
How is Kattar not dead from that Holloway fight? If I throw 400+ strikes in a training session I'm a little sore from it, but imagine receiving that many
you dont have good conditioning
@malemasterrace478 oh so you are conditioned to absorb 400 strikes in five rounds then? When's your next fight?
@@KM-iv9xy Im a kickboxer and actually I have absorbed shots like that ...if youre a fighter , you NEED to be conditioned its not always about hitting others
Also next fight's this August ..its a pro boxing match
@@KM-iv9xy I can tell from your comment only that you dont fight nor fo any striking sports ..cause you say you would be sore from throwing 400+ punches in a session ...
Well I run 10k before heading to the gym ..and then do sparing , padwork , bagwork ...never counted how many punches but its easily 2000+..fighters can take hits cause they are conditioned ..and there are some freaks out there who will take shots to the chin intentionally
@malemasterrace478 no, you're wrong. I don't care what your opinion is, and I didn't ask for it either I don't care to justify or argue with some shit talking kid on the internet so I'll leave it at that. Good luck in your fight 👍
Great list, my only problem is that Islam isn't on it - even in tier five - if Oliveira and Volk are on the list (as they deserve to be), the man who convincingly defeated both of them and snapped their streaks should be too.
Convincingly beat volk?
Tell me you are a casual without telling me
1. *Jon Jones* 🇺🇸
2. *Georges Saint Pierre* 🇨🇦
3. *Anderson Silva* 🇧🇷
4. *Demetrious Johnson* 🇺🇸
5. *Fedor Emilianenko* 🇷🇺
6. *Khabib Nurmagomedov* 🇷🇺
7. *Stipe Miocic* 🇺🇸 🇭🇷
8. *Daniel Cormier* 🇺🇸
9. *José Aldo* 🇧🇷
10. *Matt Hughes* 🇺🇸
never make a list again bruh
ITS TIME TO UPDATE THISSSSSSSSSSS! TWO TIME MIDDLEWEIGHT CHAMP BABY
But - what about Jones' steroid use? How do you put him on top considering his steroid use? That to me disqualifies him from the number one spot, regardless how genuinely good he was and is. You could argue that "everyone uses steroids", but do they really? There is no definitive proof od this.
Because even without his steroid use, nobody has come close to the fight IQ that Jon Jones has. His ways of decimating opponents is frightening and isn’t only achieved due to performance enhancing drugs. He’s just that damn good.
@Buskeeeeeeee "nobody has come close to his fight IQ" Reyes, GSP, DJ, Islam Makhachev, ect
@@jamessurnamepending1239 all those guys are great but they don’t come close. Jones has a killer instinct when he fights, it makes him brutal and terrifying. The way he’s able to pinpoint parts of someone’s body to utilize for a takedown is insane. Just look at how he took down DC. He rocked him which made him stumble a bit, then he started putting more pressure on him to startle him, then he sweeps his leg which makes him fall to the ground for Jones to dominate. It felt almost like a serial killer in a movie. No other fighter has been able to compare to his fight IQ.
@Buskeeeeeeee sorry for my late reply, someone actually reported me for hate speech for saying Jon Jones wasn't the GOAT which I gotta admit is hilarious.
While Jones' fight IQ is very good, I just don't think you can compare it to someone like GSP. The speed and creativity of his combinations are far beyond Jon Jones. Yes, he's very brutal but I think that more comes down to the fact he genuinely enjoys hurting and upsetting people, whereas GSP wanted his opponents to be hurt as little as possible. GSP could still pinpoint and exploit even the smallest weakness, as we saw the few times he actually wanted to hurt people, so I don't think Jon Jones has anything on him there.
I think a better comparison is Dimitrious Johnson, who had the same fight IQ and also wasn't afraid to hurt his opponents. Just look at how fast he follows up his attacks. He knows exactly how his opponents are going to react and is already throwing a knee to finish them off or getting ready to take them down. Hell, just look at his flying armbar, that's probably the best display of martial arts skill I have ever seen.
I think that when you combine the fact that these two match his IQ and overall have more grappling and boxing skill with the fact they never tested positive for PEDs, never ducked a fight and never had a loss that was counted as a decision win, its pretty clear Jon Isn't on the same level.
I'd say he's tier 3
@@Buskeeeeeeee what great "killer instinct" he had vs Reyes after he was off PEDs.
Goats dont use steroid. Cheaters
This has to be the one of the best videos about the MMA GOAT discussion. I love that finally someone puts some respect on Conors accomplishments. Few of the changes I’d make: Aldo in Tier 2, BJ in Tier 4, Machida in Tier 5
Ya Conor don’t get enough credit???? easy fan boy. Also putting Aldo in tier 2 your crazy hes good but not a tier 2 goat
@Thial Hoinj Casual
Forest Griffin and Stephan Bonnar put this sport on their back and launched all of these fighters single handedly in one fight. Where is the love?
Ranking one guy based on what he could have been but then ranking khabib only on what he is, why?
one came back and proved "what he could have been" the other didn't...
@@MixedMartialAcademiche proved he could get beaten by a flyweight
Adesanya one aged well
He said, "I put dominick Cruz up there because of what he could've achieved." Then he said "Khabib is all the way down here because I'm ranking by what you have achieved not what you could have"
Two very different circumstances that I fully explain. One was forced out of his career at his peak and returned to the top. We can therefore with a degree of accuracy predict that he would probably remain at the top defending his title in those 5 years he was absent. The other left, uninjured at the top and never returned, and never faced a meaningful amount of top contenders in his weight class… therefore we literally have no idea what would have happened. Hope that clears that up for you mate, I pretty sure you can work out what I’m saying but there we are.
I know you mentioned it, but my personal problem with Usman at tier 3 is his weak title defences. 2x journeyman Masvidal, who never should have gotten that second titleshot (and the first was also mostly hype based) and 2x close fights against Colby Covington. Burns is a legitimate good defence, but he did get dropped though.
Big facts. Even if he beat GSP defence record, I'd still have GSP ahead based on competition
And if that's the case izzy should go down too... only notable win is against Whittaker n he arguably lost the second one. Alex should already be ahead of him... he at least competed better when he moves up as well
Yeah I agree to be honest. Still great accomplishments but deffinatley should be moved down!
Yall are devaluing shit. Israel has over 100 fights and lost 7 times to 4 people, he lost to 4 people in his whole life , 44 stoppages across the board
@Thial Hoinj selective bias, a cocky fighter? That's bread and butter everyone says I'm the man, I'm built different, I'm this I'm that I don't see how them being cocky is different from Jon Jones or Nate Diaz if you fight for a living you are saying you think you can defeat most 1 v1 cocky by nature.
But that Elsa line was funny but objectively speaking he might not be a ufc goat but Israels record is very impressive for someone who started as late as he did and his ufc run with his below average wrestling and also his wins with his lack of knockout power is pretty neat can't let subjective views on personality blind from his Work Izzy should at least be top 5 greatest middleweights and top 15 greatest champions
@@Kaihegon so beating Costa was nothing?
Stopping Brunson?
Stopping Wilkinson who is currently Bellator Light heavy weight champ?
Schooling Tavarez?
Beating Marvin twice?
Beating Jared practically 5 nil
War with Gastelum
Imagine fighting killers so we as fans look at your work and say meh
Well thats why we watch and talk and they fight and get paid and we judge them unfairly by saying a guy with over 100 fights and lost to 4 men only and stopped 44 men has only 1 good win
Definitely agree with almost everything on this, however I somehow expected Lyoto to be in tier 5. Maybe I'm just biased because he's my favorite fighter ever.
>Likes Colby
>Puts McGregor a single tier below Khabib
>Thinks Petr Yan won the second fight against Sterling
Yeah I'm gonna take this list with a gigantic mountain of 🧂.
This list has some weird choices
Having Jones as the goat because of his win over Gane is insane. How is a win over a guy that has zero grappling skills the deciding factor? For me Jones was already the goat before becoming HW champ and he obviously still is.
This is the greatest list I've ever seen. He really took his time and passion making this!
volk at 4? having volk in the same tier as connor, chuck or cain is an insult. Max should also be much higher.
Good video. I really appreciate your efforts (and have enjoyed other videos of yours). also really glad to see Frankie Edgar get the appreciation he deserves; felt like he was ignored for long critical stretches.
Of course (prime) Fedor is #1, but hey.
i appreciate the 20% off im sponsored with fishing so i hope you're getting paid off that. been wanting the manscape since the first commercial i seen appreciate the videos bro great work
Napoleon blownapart really deserves all the shout outs.
Based and Monson-pilled.
He gets my love almost every video and always will!
About Chute Boxe: It's from my hometown, Curitiba. Very far from Rio and a very different culture, it's actually bizarre how many champions popped out of a single tiny place
The fact that u put gsp on tier 2 and jones on 1 completely invalidates you lol😂
Dude is translating Jimmy Highroller to MMA and I love it.
WOW. This is an amazing video. I'm happy I found yr channel. U actually know what yr talking about
Instead of just saying "no bro you're wrong", just want to mention how cool the concept is and high quality the video is. Thanks for sharing
Thanks mate I appreciate that a lot! And it’s all good we can disagree, who would you have too 4 personally?
@@MixedMartialAcademic I don't even disagree with your list tbh. JBJ has to be #1, Silva #4, GSP and Mighty Mouse a toss-up depending on which factors you weigh more heavily. Sad that we never got to see a Johnson-Cejudo trilogy.
IMO Anderson Silva is the GOAT and I'll tell you why. None of these guys remained undefeated until they were 38 years of age. Jones is 35, after he turned 30 he fought only 4 times and arguably lost 2 of those fights, failed drug tests multiple times IN HIS PRIME. When Anderson failed his test he was already past 40 and he had broken his leg in half so that's irrelevant. Anderson was the most dominant champ in his prime, he never lost in his prime, never struggled against any opponent (he fought a juiced up Chael with a cracked rib and still managed to win), he beat multiple champs and was a very complete fighter, killer muay thai, great jiu jitsu, great boxing, great clinch, titanium chin, great cardio. I love Jones but getting suspended multiple times, fighting once a year and having long lay offs don't make you the GOAT, it's easy to keep your record if you're not fighting, Anderson Silva was fighting 2 to 3 times a year defending his belt when he was Jone's age.
GSP, DJ, Jones in any order has to be the top 3
Yeah its like DJ for smaller people, GSP for average sized people, and then Jones for those bigger humans
I got admit that’s pretty funny 😂 made me laugh
Guess I’m a DJ fan then
Please make a video like this one without including cheaters.
Your videos area amazing. I love that they are long and teach me about these fighters since I am a new MMA fan.
I personally believe that Khabib's career was relatively short, so I could see myself getting over him in tier 3. However, it's truly criminal that Emelianenko is in the same tier as Adesanya.
Emelianenko is without a doubt with GSP, Anderson Silva, and DJ.
Jones as well.
This guy just knows nothing about MMA.
who did fedor beat? other than Nog and cro cop a bunch of decent fighters to cans. Sure 30 fight win streak but khabib did that but better with more dominance, more skill, better fighters beat and 0 losses.
@@GrubKiller436 not at all
@@ssglbc1875 Khabib not even top 10.
@@ssglbc1875 Big Nog and Mirko Cro Cop are higher on the GOAT list than McGregor, Poirier, or Gaethje.
I like the production and effort put into the list. Although I can't help but think that Ronda Rousey would have been the perfect inclusion into the 5th tier as she didn't fight a high level of competition but she shaped the sport and had a massive win streak. Also Joanna probably deserved to be on the 5th tier as well. I would have moved Shevchenko up at least one tier.
Honestly mate, it's noticeable that the quality of your content keeps improving.
But I do have to repeat Booo for your goat choice, you know Sakuraba should be there.
😂 I’m sorry mate, I let the team down! I take full responsibility
@@MixedMartialAcademic all joking aside it has to be Bones and it's not even close. In 2011 he blew my mind when he wrecked Bader, Rua, Belfort, Lyoto and RAMPAGE. In my humble opinion those 5 wins are far more impressive than Khabibs 3 title defences and Conor's champ champ combined.
We all know who the real #1 is. "You're looking at the reflection of perfection. You're looking at the man who gets all your attention. You're looking at the man with the biggest arm. At the man, with the greatest charm, the man in Chicago who will do harm to the guy three doors down.
Whatcha gonna do, when you know who? Howya gonna deal, with the man of steel? How ya gonna react to Sonnen's attack? Tune in on the 28th! 8 p.m. Eastern Time! You'll find out who the real champion is."
Great list! Great video!
I was about to shitpost about Chael not being on the list but you got me at the end 😂
Bahhhhhhhh
It’s crazy for people to not factor in hiding underneath a cage to avoid drug test. It’s like ranking Lance Armstrong as GOAT.
Lance Armstrong is the Goat. What you don't understand is all these fighters and cyclists are on PED's. And I mean ALL of them. Some get called out and the losers don't. They do anything it takes to be the best. So the losers on PED'S aren't as good as the Winner's on PED'S.
Bravo on this masterpiece of a video 👏🏼 I have no complaints with your tear list and my opinion on what defines greatness is the skills and knowledge you possess in making this video…thank you for sharing it with us it’s much appreciated 🙏🏼
Wow, thank you!
@@MixedMartialAcademic Jones PED user is the GOAT? The John Jones who should have lost the fights if the judges weren't biased?
Of course, he is easily Tier 2, but the Goat?
As a big fan of Khabib as a fighter, I agree with all your reasoning and selected Tier. Solid video can imagine how long it must have took.
What a great video 🎉
Thank you!!
Was really hoping you would do that part at the end. Thank you
I got your back brother!
you can erase Adesanya from the pyramid and put strickland
Stop talking ufc
you better put GSP at the top or imma really be upset at that you got the pyramid wrong
Hendricks fight
Hendricks was a close fight but little compared to the reyes fight
@@deepzyoti13 you can’t be considered the GOAT if you never test yourself
@@deepzyoti13 Beat Hendricks.
@@deuelellan2446lay and pray St Pierre is not the goat. Get over it.
Tier 1 is Jones no doubt. Tier 2 you have to add Stipe. In Tier 3 we remove Khabib (it's an insult to put him next to DC and Fedor) and Adesanya (also insulting to be near DC and Fedor) and you like it or no you need to add McGregor (double champ, conquered a weight class, got bored of it and moved up, then lost his entire focus for the boxing money and didn't recover, but he already had done enough to be Tier 3), and soon another guy in Tier 3 is expected to be Volkanovski, imo he already should be because he got robbed against Islam. Tier 4 is where guys like Khabib and Adesanya fit, extremely talented but have not really proven themselves at the top of the top.
Spot on
weirdo
Just getting back to watching MMA fights, soo happy to see Anderson on Tier 2. The end of his career was really tough, but when on his prime, all o Brazil would be watching him fight. True legend.
A true legend was Anderson.. Unfortunately both for his fighting and then stupidity.. It was incredible how devastating Silva would become; and incredibly stupid that he lost, then got injured and had to retire, all because of his taunting.. It's about trying to make it look easy for some fighters, but that and or taunting can lead to a whole career thrown away, as Anderson Silva would prove.. So disappointed that he didn't get to show us his full talent and career, as he had a fighting ability I don't think anyone else ever quite matched up to!
Gegard Mousasi honorable mention especially dude fought btw middle to heavyweight
Bro he is not a honorable mention!!! He deserves to be in tier 3!!!!
Great work here I enjoyed this. I think GSP avenging both of his losses and no drug scandals puts him in the same bracket as Jones as GOAT myself. I dont think he can be put below him. Jones beats Stipe and then I think he can take number 1.
Jones should be 1 just by being in 2/3 weightclasses higher
@@Julian-ke2tg It's not about who would win in a fight between GSP or Jon Jones.
@@Julian-ke2tg what kind of bs is that
@@counterintuitivepanda4555 what you mean
Great list, but Kamaru and Israel on tier 3? 😂 other than that spot on.
The biggest "what if" story in the mma history is ZABIT MAGOMEDSHARIPOV
Nah, khabib is the biggest what if
He fought the best. He fought for the title, he won the title, defended it several times and in the end he was undefeated. What's to be achieved really? Legacy? @@maksymilian4000
I dig these threads that you weave in these videos, man. Keep it up! New sub!