What to do if your VW or Audi Coolant Light Comes On
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- Опубликовано: 2 окт 2024
- We show you what happens when the coolant lights comes on for your VW or Audi. We also discuss mixing dex cool or other green coolants with VW or Audi pink coolant. This is a bad idea and we show an example of the results of mixing these.
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Thank you! Managed to avoid a coolant mishap on my Q5 road trip. Saw the low coolant in the reservoir, added some water in the mountains where G13 wasn't available. Thanks again! No more coolant light, and no overheating was evident thankfully! You’re a godsend at 1:30am lol
Did anyone else notice the coolant leaking out of the reservoir in the video? A pretty steady drip drip right under the reservoir after you filled it
Probably because he overfilled it a little bit above the max line.
It dumps the excess
It will it's got an overflow
New one needed!
Observation skills on -100 because there was no drip before he filled it 🙄💀. If there was w leak the reservoir would of been empty and unpressurized… 🥴
Thank you this is very useful for my brand new VW. I was just curious if my water was still fine on my engine but now i know i will see the red light when the coolant runs out
Hey man.. THANK you for this perfect.. short-n-direct video that PERFECTLY explained what just happened with my 2012 Passat.
Thank you! Got a 👍🏾👍🏾 from me
I dunno who this may help but I have a tip. I had been struggling with "check coolant" warning, intermittent, went away after restart sometimes, would come on very sporadically. Coolant level was always fine. Having replaced waterpump and thermo a few times, I thought here we go again. Fortunately temp gauge wasn't fluctuating.
So here is the tip that saved me recently. CHECK THE SENSOR ON THE COOLANT RESERVOIR. Make sure the two pins are actually contacting firmly and have no play. Otherwise while driving if they lose contact, it throws the warning immediately.
2015 MK7 GTI (south african spec)
Which pins I’m facing the same problem 😢?
Thank YOU!!!!!!!!! Gone gone gone 👍👍👍 shop telling me maybe 3,500 to fix
had the coolant light come on for me and it was because I had TOO MUCH coolant. this video helped thanks!
Thanks so much for your advice. I applied it this morning & bought myself some time by topping up with water until I get my hands on coolant today. I hope I can get the right brand in my country.
Hi. Uthole yiph i brand r right if you driving vw?
@@sthembisomthembu395 G12, I think it's good for VW as well, I drive an old Audi but ungabuza la idayiswa khona. Mina ngiyithenge eGoldwagen it's a chain so you should have it la uhlala khona.
What to do when coolant light comes on - clear it with OBD11 😂
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I brought some coolant for my daughter Volkswagen jetta yesterday. He was the green coolant. The lady at AutoZone look up in the computer💻on seeing the right one I should buy, but she wasn't still sure.Glad I watched this video here, her vehicle uses the pink color.Ima still pop her hood on checking being on the safe side.Ty👍
Would the car generally burn coolant so the level would drop slightly over time?
Very important to make sure to check the low level sensor installed in the reservoir tank. It will save a lot of headaches in the long run. Thanks for mentioning it Paul.
And how do we check the low level sensor?
Apparently bad temp sensors or bad battery can trigger those messages, i. e. my VW Touareg V8 4.2 kicks engine overheating message just after i start the car in winter (which is impossible engine is stone cold ~30F it would take some time for it to warm up, temp gauge on the dash acts perfectly like it should in accordance with my estimated engine temp) so check coolant temp sensors and check your battery, mine did not complain after i charged battery which was bit low, i do have temp sensors ready just in case...
Funnily enough
Had this light coming up in my mk7 gti like 5 days ago
The sound the warning made... it made me shit my pants.
Made me think that the engine blew up or something! Especially when it came up right after a low tire pressure warning
put an egg in your rajiator
Summer 2022, this video popped up on my RUclips feed. So I went and checked my coolant levels. Sure enough, its BELOW minimum. GOOD TIMING RUclips algorithm
I've been driving for 5 years without coolent just water now all my wells plugs are leaking water, goodness I had no idea there had to be coolent in I thought it was optional, I'm driving a polo playa 1.6 ,2002 model
Damn that’s a catastrophic option
Im.tryna figure out how the hell u did it for 5 yrs
@@everettterryjr1349 especially during the winter
Now that we know a little more about MK7 common issues, it’s funny watching this video knowing the car probably wasn’t just “burning off” the coolant (not Paul’s words of course). Luckily when my thermostat housing failed, the car was still under warranty. Thanks DAP for keeping the videos going!
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I’ve seen it (on my car and another one as well) the cap failed and was allowing a little bit of evaporation. That’s obviously a very slow decrease in level but it happens.
This is really informative! Thanks Paul. One note I didn't see is MK7 EA888 cars have coolant circulation after shut-off to cool off the turbo and other components. If you hear the pump going (5-15 minutes after shutdown), this means the coolant level isn't accurate as it's still circulating. I usually check coolant when car is completely cold.
6:23 I think I found your leak
Yep and i found mine this way on a mk7, filled it 5 times within this year, 2 garages couldn’t find the leak, noticed it last week but still to take it to a garage !
@@juan-in3cw as he screwing on the lid of the coolant bottle look at the bottom its dripping..
Do you need to drain the hole system first before adding more coolant?
No
These vehicles have a tea bag thing in the coolant reservoir. If you can get it out carefully, you should. That thing fails, its bye bye heater matrix. It carries silicates supposed to prolong the life of the coolant up to 5 years. I think I would rather just renew the coolant after a couple of years, rather than risk serious expensive damage.
I check mine regulatory, is it normal to lose some over the course of several months? MK7 Gen3 EA888.
Could you share a video how to get rid of air from the coolant system / how to do a proper coolant flush as to where are the nips location to release the coolant from the system and fill up. Thankyou so much
Let car run with heat blasting should get air bubbles out
Interesting you guys posted this video now. I just got my 2015 GTI back from the dealership regarding a coolant leak last week.
When will that jacket be available for purchase? That's the most serious question here
i have my coolant light come on and my rad fans do not turn on, i just replaced the fan module could it be the coolant temp sensor 2010 audi a4 2.0t
It’s critical to NOT use any of those this works with any type coolants. It really doesn’t work in our cars and can harm the system. I keep some G13 in my trunk now just in case. If I can’t get to that it’s distilled water. Deionized water is even better but not as easily found.
Closest thing I found on RUclips to my 2.5L 09 Jetta overheating. It only happens while the car is idling. Could I get some insight on why this is happening?
Let the car idle until the temp needle is in the center of its range and eventually your cooling fans will kick on. You will hear them and you can see whether theu are spinning. The fans are part of the radiator assembly in the grill area. If the fans DO activate, you can rule out bad cooling fan motors and you know it is more than likely the thermostat stuck or the water pump itself is bad and is not properly moving the coolant througg the radiator to cool off. Replace thermostat first because it is a lot cheaper and if it still overheats yet maintains oil and coolant levels you prob have a bad H20 pump. I would recommend radiator pressure test to ensure heads arent warped / blown head gasket which js often the case when someone lets their car over heat. Bad H20 pump causes engine to overheat, warping the head. Good luck. Videos on here for all of this
What are those drips at the bottom of the coolant over flow tank at 6:28?
That is the problem....
I was just going to reply the same!!! Looks like we found the culprit!! :)
Damn, nice catch.
My A3 shows a generic coolant light when I start the car cold in the winter. As soon as the oil temperature gets to 100F it goes away. I don’t have any faults or leaks. The shop I was taking my car to said it was normal. This is normal right?
Mine does the same
thanks for the video, I was traveling and the alert just appeared out of nowhere. It was a low-level alert, and just by opening the reservoir and releasing the pressure, the level returned to its optimal point.
This just happened to me. Did you have any further problems?
@@joel6689, I checked with my mechanic and he said that's kind of normal because the change of altitude in the trip (from sea level to 3000 meters). Last week added a little of coolant and no more problems.
Thanks for replying
I have a huge problem. It all started with a leak around my heater hoses with Caked Up antifreeze around it. I replaced the heater hoses about 6 months before that I replaced the radiator. I have a 2006 2.5 5 cylinder Volkswagen Beetle. After I replace the heater hose the red thermostat light kept coming on. The next thing that happened was the fitting at the top of the new radiator cracked so I had to replace it again. It ran all of the day then the red thermostat light came on again and several more hoses busted one at a time. I replaced those. I drove home the light turned on again and I let it idle for about 10 minutes then Bang fluid was coming out from everywhere but I didn't know what was the source of the problem. I finally found it and it was the thermostat housing it cracked and had a hole in it about a size of a quarter. I've since replaced that I drove it all of 10 minutes and it's leaking everywhere again. After each replacement I don't run any freeze through it because it's quite expensive.. I'll add a little antifreeze and let it run to see what happens I have to take it apart again but do you have any suggestions of where I should look or what my problem could be?
You need to add antifreeze to it while you are troubleshooting these leaks so the system will have boil-over protection. Perfectly, system operates at just below 200 degrees, and can easily spike above that and boil out causing problems if no antifreeze coolant in system. Always try to sort any leaks idling in a driveway, with the thermostat opening and closing. Invest in a cheap infrared temperature gun ($45 Harbor Freight, etc.) so you can point at underhood components and see when your thermostat is opening. Good luck.
Do I have to use the Pink Coolant? I could only find a greenish blue Coolant at my local Walmart. It said for European cars and had an Audi in the list.
I was told that the coolant is to concentrated so I took some out and added distilled water and the light went away the next cold start. It's now at -25° C (-13° F).
THIS WAS NOT HELPFUL AT ALL.
Has anyone ever come across Insufficient Engine Cooling / Coolant Flow P00B7 on the MK7 R Engine. Mine has had this error come up on warm startup 5 times over the past 5 months. Its always been straight away after a warm start and stopping and starting the car clears the error every time. I have never had it occur on cold start or when driving. When the error is present it puts on the EPC light and restricts engine speed to 4k RPM. The engine does begin to overheat if you do not restart the car. To me it seems like the thermostat is sticking closed but it is very strange how it only occurs every month or so and is fixed 100% of the time by restarting the car. If anyone has any experience with a similar problem let me know. P.S. The car is Revo Stage 2.
Hi, I have a couple questions, is there a Chat where I can ask you a few questions about my car? Because I believe my car shop is ripping me off for something my car doesn't even have.
If you have the suspicion that you are being ripped off, REST ASSURED YOU ARE!
Please help mi vw polo blow water out through the reservoir i have change the cap and thermostat bt stil no change bt it does not over heat everything seems fine.wat could be the coz Please help
Should you be using distilled water? Or if your in a jam and the gas station has no coolant or the wrong type of coolant, should you use bottled water then? Say this happens during the summer.
Excellent video
So I added green coolant before watching this video. Haven’t started the car yet. How do you suggest removing the coolant from the reservoir?
What happened to the coolant? Did the car burn it or do you have a leak?
Thank you for your video. We are road tripping and this light came on. Checked it and damn its low. Most especially thank you for saving me from buying what I can get at the gas station in the middle of no where because I would have done just that. We added some water (no freezing risk) and are going to our destination. We will be getting a coolant check when we get there.
Dislikes from people who put green coolant 😂🤣
Do you have to use the Pink Coolant? Cause the only Audi Coolant I could find is a greenish blue color.
@@genuinejustin6269Pentosin Pentafrost only!
Kind of expensive and you have to dilute it yourself, but you have to use it and never ever ever substitute it for anything else.
Great video - thank you!
Have same issues on my 03 touareg
Idk if its because i fill it to max ( cuz this is a reason for lose )
My coolant just dissapears but no leaks
I changed my oil cooler stil got the same problem but i noticed it loses coolant mostly when i use A/C but still no leaks what can cause this
Sry for bad english hope u understand
I have a 2011 GTI. Coolant is full. Coolant light is flashing. Could it be from the lid not be securely tighten? I notice when I check the coolant level the lid hasnt clicked when tightening?
if anyone has a VW/Audi 2l Turbo diesel, check your coolant flange, they are common to leak since they are plastic
OK, thanks. Will check that as I think I have a leak. Had to refill two times in less than a week.
Two questions. Is coolant corrosive, i.e. if I spill some, should I immediately clean it up or just let it hang out? Also, I don't mix mine 50/50. I just put straight G13 in. Is this an issue or am I just costing myself money by not diluting it? Our temps top out around 75F but we regularly see -20 to -25F.
Adam Chandler coolant is toxic, and animals like to eat it because apparently it taste sweet. So please clean it up as soon as possible.
Definitely dilute your coolant 50/50 where you live.
Actually coolant stopped being sweet years ago. They now add a "bittering agent".
@@tedjohnson64 I've heard VW doesn't add bittering agent to their g13 coolant. I haven't tasted it to confirm.
I have a Golf Mk7 2.0 TDI from 2013, which
Started overheating. The gauge goes from 90 to 120-130 in just a few seconds and then goes back down as fast after staying there for a while. There's no pattern to it, it can happen after 3 hours of driving like after 4 minutes of standing still.
I have changed thermostat and coolant temperature sensor but the temperature still rises to 130°.
No white smoke from the exhaust and no bubbles in the coolant container.
I read on the forums and people have the same problem as me, and they changed the water pump but they still have the same problem.
So it's stupid for me to change the water pump and the problem won't be solved.
Has anyone had the same problems with the Mk7 2.0 TDI?
Thanks in advance for any help.
I have the same issue with my VW POLO2017 TDI. Did you manage to solve this issue?
@@Dr.tech- The problem was in the water pump, I change it and now everything is okay.
Hey guys,
I have a Seat Leon FR 2.0 tdi (184 bhp) 2014' and I'm having some problems with the cooling liquid. I got the new pump, new container and the liquid is still missing every 600-700 kilometers. Whats up with that? No liquid is visible under the car, nor around the engine components. No smoke is seen exiting the exhaust. The car is not overheating.
Would need a bit of advice.
Thanks
Replace the bottle cover. My B8 had the same issue and that fixed the problem
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I have VW Passat CC 2009, and I have problems with coolant fluid levels. I have to pour liquid almost every second day. Sometimes when the red warning light pops up and I open the coolant bottle, the fluid comes a lot above the normal level. But most of the time I have to pour liquid in. Around 2-3 liters a week.
Water pump and refrigerator has been replaced. Do you have any ideas what could have been the problem?
PLEASE HELP‼️
Good video!
Mine came on and it said coolant system Fault turn off engine but the engine is not over heating at all and fans are running good. !??? What can it be ?
Same here. What did you find out?
drew d i did a full flush and it when away. I when to an audi tech they told me
That the people that did my flush did it wrong and trip the sensor
I usually check my Coolant level when the light comes on, After I check the door to see what brand to buy...
Nice video .
In my case: no leaks, new expansion coolant bubbler , wiring to until the cluster is ok... red light flashing .
I am thinking that the instrument cluster might have gone bad, which is expensive.
Very useful video. I like VW and last year I bought VW golf 1997 model. In the 90’s I had VW beetle which doesn’t require water or coolant. Very strong car. This month I imported G13 coolant for my golf. I have not yet used it yet. Can any one share me the appropriate ratio of water to the coolant for east Africa countries, particularly for Ethiopia. Thank you for your support.
Can I use g40 pink color coolant
My Jetta 2012 coolant light comes on flashing but coolant level is on point. what then are the symptoms of an engine really overheating while driving? I’m planning to change my reservoir bottle and hope the flashing overheating goes away,
overflow bottle problem
Beetle . I’ve gotten this thing replaced the whole part . Before my car was smoking from the hood . I leave it in the shop to fix . They fixed it and two weeks later again it’s coming up. Not low coolant . Always something with this beetle.
Question:
I have an Audi Q3 that I performed a coolant flush on (as well as replaced the Expansion Tank). It does not seem to be overheating, but I'm noticing that the lower radiator hose isn't really getting hot (I can grab if with my full hand even after running for 15-20 minutes). I've driven the car on the highway (and I live in Florida so the temperatures are high: 92 degrees as of this comment) and the needle isn't moving beyond normal temperatures.
Is this normal behavior for certain VAG cars?
Great video i have a 15 gti, and the check coolant warning came on! But my temps are normal and there is 0 loss of coolant in the resivour tank is it okay to drive still?
I purchased Coolant from AutoZone for my B8 S4 last summer. It was what they recommended through the website. What are long term effects, and would it be AutoZone's fault for recommending me to use their product if I end up damaging my engine by overheating issues?
If it's not g13
I have a 2016 Mk7 GTI with 46k on it and I’ve added coolant twice to it. Sometimes in very cold weather after I park in my garage, I can actually smell coolant. I’ve looked everywhere, and I cannot find a leak. I also don’t think that I’m burning it. Does the stuff evaporate?
Ed Mathews check your coolant reservoir, there might be a crack. I had similar issue on my Tiguan where I can’t find any noticeable drippings.
I took my 2014 passat to the shop next to the dealership I bought my car from to fix my overheating issue and I got charged $680 for 2 pumps and thermostat replacement and my car is still overheating. Is it ok to use G40 zerex 50/50 antifreeze coolant ? I cant find any G12 or G13 anywhere ? This is so irritating.
I cant find any leaks anywhere but my coolant tank was low. Last time i probably had my coolant level topped up was about 2 yeaes ago. So is it normal for the coolant level to drop?
Always change the Coolant sensor
every 120K 😀
Same is happening to me ... the coolant is not leaking out, but the reservoir was empty/low. Can't find out why :(
@@babagandu my problem was the EGR coolant valve. Cost me £450
@@NoName-mq8cs Holy smokes !! Yeah it seems to be on the back side of the engine (near windshield) there are hoses and some rusted pieces. Thanks I'll check it
My vw mk 6 jetta 1.2 tsi, every 3 days I have to full up coolant or water, I saw a leak coming out from the catalytic converter. Any suggestions, there is no other leaks
Quick question my coolant was sitting at below minimum probably like half a centimeter and stupidly went and bought g13 coolant and topped it up probably no more than 200ml and didn't realise I had to dilute it is this a big issue if I add water now its probably gona go to the top of the line or even over should I tip up with water or can I leave it?
I just added water, i forgot to close the lid and drove for like 1 hour , the car started overheating I stopped , coolled it off and filled with water because i couldnt find g13 in pink
I just read my VW Tiguan manual when the cooling system warning light began flashing. Not to dispute anything here, but the manual called for mixing DISTILLED water with the coolant. Maybe model specific (2012 model) that is outdated, but can't hurt to check the manual first.
My coolant light came on on my B8.5 A4 and the coolant level was fine. The dealer said they’ve found corrosion on the terminals that triggered the light
London Bridge did it affect your A/C? I have same issue with mine right now and once temp gauge goes up after 15mins of driving , my A/C starts blowing warm air but I have full coolant and no leaks
El Michoacáno I’m having that same problem! Can you tell me what was wrong with your car?!
Raquel Collar you need to replace the thermostat . It comes together with the water pump assembly.. I was able to fix myself and replace with new one but it was a pain.. the dealership wanted to charge $2000 for the repair 🙄 I wasn’t having that
Hi I have a Q7 3.6 l 2009 and yesterday hid a noise on the right side when I got home had water falling on top of the right front tire. Need to know how to access the reservoir to see if it cracked or have a broken hose. Thanks Auggie
Had this issue with my MK7. Water pump was leaking at 34,000 miles. Had it replaced under factory warranty.
Good old shitty plastic VAG water pumps. They must make squillions selling these to customers every 4-5 years
Great videos 👍
You guys are awesome
As he was Filling the Coolant to the Max Level! Look at the bottom is a small leak dripping #confused
6:22
The VW is my wife's car. I drive an EV........so this sort of thing is just not going to happen. Great video.
I have an issue were the dealership didn’t solve and cannot find any post on the net in regards to the same issue, please reply so i let u know the issue; i have this issue for over a year now!
My 2009 GTI has been slowly using coolant, the warranty was recently extended on my water pump. Local VW guy said it's not a problem if there's not a leak. Well maybe that explains my mystery of the missing coolant. Wish me luck dealing with these guys 😐
There's no leak on my R36, but the reservoir is empty 😳 I looked around the back of the engine there is some rust near the hoses. Not sure what it is :(
The o-ring for the temp sensor on the 2.5l is a weak point for leaks. It eventually drains out on the passenger side, looking like a bad water pump. Check at the same time as when you are checking the vacuum pump that leaks oil looking like a main seal failure
My rs3 have this alert "verify coolant" but temps and leves are ok.... enny guess ?
hi my names David I live in south Africa western cape town I drive an polo 1.9 TDI turbo and would like to know how or what to do if car overheads but turmostud didn't seems to come on on thendach
Does anybody have had problems with coolant system of a GTI MK7?
Jose Crespo I have a 2016 GTI Audubon w/ Performance Package and yesterday my coolant light came on...checked the coolant level and thankfully I did see some in the tank and I couldn’t see any leakage but I’m gonna run out to get distilled water to add to my G13 to refill my coolant.
Wanna do a video on the actual fix for these cars ( water pump ) 🙄
Obdeleven doesn't show that as the fault either
Coolant leaking from the transmission hose we couldnt figure out how to get the clip in place
Hello, I have a 2002 Audi A6 Avant Quattro 3.0L. I have the low coolant light on after I replaced my tank, Drained the system and put in G12++, The car does not overheat at all and it has a new temp sensor, I have no air in the system or in the heater core. It has full circulation. I hook up my OBD2 reader and get nothing for codes and it runs a 219F with a 198F thermostat that has also been replaced. I have been trying to track down my issue. My coolant tank plug has no broken wires/ bad connection. Does anyone on the Internet have any other ideas because mine are dwindling down to nothing.
What if you use the purple G13?
I have a3 8v,184hp quattro,car is with me 3years i have problems with cranking at spring and summer when i leave car sitting aproxx 6-10 hours standing then first time is cranking 3-7seconds,and i have 4 times coolant bootle empty but only the bootle,nobody nows why,there is no leaks visible😔
Every other starting the car is normal only first start,on obdeleven and other scan tools no erorr
I have a leak so big that its losing colant when I am filing it,and using it every day like this
What about coolant getting low when using ac? What about the coolant specs for VAG cars? Many many questions unanswered...
Coolant specs for vag cars is easy, pink/red colour g12+ or g13 and you are good to go sir.
I have a golf 7 1.4 CNG with pure G12 antifreeze, I notice my antifreeze level is dropping.. should I put G13 as it says on the container and mix it with distilled water? The master says that the water pump is leaking a little... But I don't want to change the pump, maybe there is a solution with a different mixture
is it leaking at the water pump because of the wrong fluid?
Gracias amigo me allodo tu video Dios te bendiga
So let me get this straight: if the coolant level is low, add coolant mixture? Okay, gotcha! 😉 hehe jk thanks for the video as always. Had this same issue and just added distilled water because I live in a hot climate. You didn’t differentiate in the video though, or did I miss that? Tap water isn’t good, right?
Willy Lamb I always use distilled with G13 in my VW. That is the way to go.
or demineralized water
Kevin Anderson isn't G13 read to go from the bottle without adding anything?
FastLaneOnly If you purchase the genuine VW/Audi G13, it comes as a concentrate and needs to be mixed 50/50 in almost all situations (consistent extreme temps being the only exception). You can, however, purchase aftermarket G13 antifreze/coolant that is premixed here www.ecstuning.com/b-hella-parts/g13-coolant-50-50-pre-mix-1-gallon/g013a8j1g-space-~hla/ I didn't see any at shopdap.com so if you don't want to mix yourself, try that. Although, it's really easy to just mix it...
Kevin Anderson I bought the genuine G13. I'm sure it was mixed. I'll double check the bottle in my car
My car polo classic 1999 model coolant light is comin on bt the car is nt iver heating wat can b the problem??
Why do touaregs need topping up with coolant every so often
I've got a 2010 jetta 5 1.6 tdi I replaced the water pump but my coolant light still comes on and my heat gauge doesn't rise pass half any idea wat could the problem bru? Would highly appreciate your feed back thanks
Bad sensor
My coolant boils and the radiator fan not switching on, what could be the problem
Update to everyone here. G13 coolant has been replaced by G12 EVO coolant.
The problem started with this temperature light on my Mk7 2014 model everytime I checked the coolant it was just a bit low and when I open the can just a small pressure would come out and the coolant will go back to normal. I decided to top up.with water and this stopped but the same night the temperature gauge started to move beyond normal and up to 130 sometimes, sometimes would go up and down while the car is in motion. I took it in and they changed the water pump but the problem persisted, they checked the radiator and also the auxiliary water pump and yet there is no change. They now thinking of changing the whole panel cluster board.
Remember I only drove this car two months before this all.
Please advise...
Check the O ring in the expansion tank cap
I have a VW Golf 1.9 TDi 2003 -Says in manual to use G12 but can I use G13..? Can I mix with tap water or bottled water to dilute? Thank you.
6:28 leaking reservoir?
Hi I just wondering how long can the coolant be stored once opened? I have the 2018 cayenne, would you recommend using the Porches OME coolant or other brands work fine too? Thanks.