Today I learned: Zach Hazard had Peripheral Edema in his left leg for several years and literally no doctor ever thought to send him to do to a physical, nor did they ever send him to a proper physician. Source: I have Peripheral Edema in my right leg. Exact same symptoms as Zach, although not as frequently. Then again, I'm not as physically active as he was in the military. Edit: Burden-Induced Is not an official term in English, so I'm changing It to Its proper medical term.
Edemas usually have an underlying cause, right? Like it's indicative of a larger problem? Or is that the burden-induced part? This does sound accurate though, given how he described the symptoms
@@dharma_dude Unless Zach was somehow obese in the military or has a history of heart problems, or has suffered kidney failure, It's not something he should necessarily worry about. However, given his problem with the lymph nodes, I think It's plausible that It started out as edema and since developed into a lymphnode inflammation, which aligns more with It coming and going - My right leg requires about 6 hours of rest (Same level as my heart, ie laying down) in order for the swelling to go down.
"I don't like how the US treats it's soldiers once they leave the military." Amen to that. My grandpa put in 19 years to the Navy and they booted him out the moment he had a medical problem with no benefits or anything. Man had to fight them to get compensated for injuries he got in Vietnam, but that's the VA for you. Giving you the bare minimum and fighting you the entire time.
That fucking sucks man! It’s made worse by the fact he’s a Vietnam veteran. He endured hell in Southeast Asia, for a pointless war that went nowhere, only to come home and be spat on by the very people he was fighting for, and to be ignored by the same government that put him in Southeast Asia in the first place.
A close family friend was in the Navy. He suffered a pretty bad stroke (one of his arms was near useless) and he was in severe pain (don't know what caused that). When he tried to get help for the pain from the VA they basically called him a faking drug-seeker, said the pain was all in his head. That went on for years until he killed himself. Uncle Sam killed that man and countless others, and he will keep killing for as long as he lives. Doesn't matter who's side you're on, if you aren't making the US money, or worse, you cost them money, you're at best worthless in Uncle Sam's eyes (and at worst you're a target).
The “he’s faking it” story reminds me how one of the drafted recruits with a weak back tried to carry a fully loaded backpack and effectively severed his spinal cord and became fully paralyzed in his legs Squad sergeant just kept screaming trying to make him do push ups They still forced him to go through basic by staying in bed in medical to not ruin their statistics of failures It seems Fort Polk lives in all of us
Fort Polk is the sergeants we met along the way (I've never served in US Army, but I had my own meetups with anal retentive superiors demanding things that were impossible to me due to a medical situation).
met someone with a similar story. Tiny dude, not sure how big he was in the army but when i knew him he was like 5'9" and 150lb, maybe smaller, and he told he _used_ to be wiry and thin so he must have been a twig in the army. He was some kind of paratrooper and they had him jumping out of planes and shit with a backback that probably weighed as much as he did and one time his CO said he was faking an injury despite the fact that he'd dislocated his kneecap and his leg looked like a purple sausage and you could move his kneecap around with your finger.
Unless he has extensive sci-fi from ALL futuristic shows and games to compare, he will go "laser burns hot to flesh". Edited: switched "if" with "unless". Makes more sense.
Fevers are actually a common side effect of infection from gunshot wounds so yes, they are very much trained to deal with fevers. Swollen lymph nodes and legs the size of a blimp, no.
Med student here (on clinical rotations)-the description Zach gives sounds like lymphoedema, i.e., the lymph nodes start working weird and cause severe swelling and possible other symptoms such as nausea. Many times idiopathic, can also be caused by stress or chemicals. Treatment actually can be through removing lymph nodes or chemotherapy to "burn" the nodes into working again (probably what the German doctors were thinking but didn't explain well, they need better bedside manners). Usually not a dangerous condition per-se, but very impactful on daily life (like Zach's stories) and can increase the risk of blood clots due to the inflammation. So, tl;dr, Zach your lymph nodes got funky and it could actually be "you are allergic to the army"
Hi, not a doctor, I'm just giving my guess regarding weird medical experiences I've had. I suspect the lymphodema may have caused or worsened other conditions such as Baker's cyst or knee bursitis. All these conditions match what he's described and the side effects such as the impending infections may have caused swelling, hallucinations, nausea, and vomiting. I've had septicemia before and those last two literally feel like Hell.
@@blackout6411 There were also people suggesting it to be Burden-Induced Edema. It's possible he had both, one causing the other, much like you're saying
@@mindlessscientist3772 Thank you, that's something some doctors do is assume it's just one thing but sometimes conditions can really screw a person up when combined and some of them are literally caused by similar things so I think him having a combo condition just makes the most sense.
@@blackout6411 Very good point there! Yes, it could also be an infection or inflammation of the knee that just happened to be very localised! I assume the reason the doctors may have discarded it could be the biopsy or the blood tests though. Since we don't know what they biopsied (for septic arthritis or bursitis it should have been a synovial puncture) then we'll never know! But true, there could have been an underlying condition that simply made it worse. Another condition that comes to mind are hip conditions that may affect the vasculature of the leg for example, causing poor venous return and inflammation and perhaps even mild miositis, which could explain the 104 fever (which is very odd outside of an infection). Of course, these are all very rare and theoretical diagnoses.
@@edmunddantes5351 I definitely agree on the infection, I mean with the temperature it sounds like during that window of time his leg's lymph nodes may have been blocked so infection is the next logical step.
In the Korean War, my great grandfather had a serious concussion and a broken arm from a blast. He was very delirious and high thanks to the morphine they put him on. One day, while the doctors were away with other patients.... he decided himself that he didn't want to be in the rear line hospital anymore. With a broken arm, he climbed out of the 2nd story window of his room, then hiked *15 miles* back to what he thought was his unit (it wasn't, he found some Canadians), before someone found him again and dragged him back to the hospital.
@@Kevin-rk3ef Wanna know the best part? *he was a fucking Brigadier General* (or at least he was at the end of the war, might have been a Colonel at the time) James R Mcnitt was his name. Crazy guy lived until 2003.
that would imply that any military ever takes care of their soldiers. they don't. they do the bare minimum and that's all. all they want is for you to die for a cause that you yourself may not even believe in.
Oh I love weird health problems! For example, I woke up one day with severe chest pains! I thought "Hmm thats weird, maybe my asthma is acting up" so I took my inhaler. It didn't stop, so I was like "Hmm that's not good, one more hit isn't a good idea but I've had to do it before in emergencies so maybe that'll fix it". It stopped successfully. The next day, I woke up with a worse chest pain! I had to go to the emergency room, I went in, and I got blood tests for two days. The pain went away after I was put onto an IV, but the doctors couldn't figure out what he hell was wrong with me. Then I remember a story from my dad that at one point in his life, he had severe heart pain after not having enough salt in his body, because for some reason my family filters salt out of us at a severely increased rate, apparently from some stupid rare 1% of population genetic mutation. Well, I decided to test that out. I went a day and a half without eating salt. Yep, there's the chest pains! So, now whenever my heart starts screaming at me in pain, I literally go to our salt grinder, grind salt into my hand, and eat it, and the problem stops in five minutes. TLDR: My heart got f*cking pissed off because I didnt have enough salt in me, so now if I feel like I'm having a heart attack I eat a handfull of salt.
Seriously! I've been having a rough time lately, but when I see Campfire Stories in my feed it brightens my mood up and for the next 12-15 minutes everything is alright.
@@TheAsylumCat Your body has tons of them and they're basically filters for your lymphatic system, which is itself a filter for your body. They're where all the random crap your body doesn't have a use for and that it's not specifically equipped to remove already goes.
@@thatcow86 which means removing them would have gotten rid of the place where all those chemicals were going? Wouldn’t this have made the situation worse?
House would run tests and meds until the cows came home until he zoned out for a few secondsand then it would hit him. As I recall, he only did physical procedures as a last/near-last resort. House would've had this solved in a week,, tops, lol
Lymph node biopsy is a very common procedure. However they only remove ONE lymph node. Removing the entire lymphoid system from the left leg... Either Zach misunderstood something or the doctors there are thinking waaay outside the box.
@@blazingnomad by the sounds of it, the docs were bout ready to air lift an actual witch doctor from Africa just cuz they were straight up out of ideas. Fuckin' tax dollars at work there, folks. Should have taken him to a Veterinarian instead of the army docs
@@stephenflint3640 And people say they want government Healthcare, hahaha. Look no further than the VA for a shining example of that. State run Healthcare would be like combining the VA and DMV
Zach, the VA might hate you and think you are indeed a disposable hero, but the fans all thank you for your pain and service to this (shitty at best) country.
Everyone asks of this but personally I don't think they should. The charm of this old-style of RUclips is refreshing. What they do is practically old-style lets plays and I don't think they should just jump on the bandwagon of everything being podcasts and livestreams these days.
If I remember correctly Mike has said on his discord channel that currently he and Zach doesn't have the time to do stuff like weekly podcasts, maybe sometime in the future but no guarantees though.
I just had a lymph node removed from my neck cause it caused me excruciating pain for the past 5 yrs. Turns out it got caught in some of my neck muscles and slowly became necrotic. But now it's finally gone and they even had to remove some surrounding tissue do to decay.
the VA's sounds to me like Scamming the Us's Soldiers. Edit: Props to the Medic's again and the Guy's who helped Zach when his leg started acting up during PT. and as for his drill instructor the guy deserved getting an earful from the medics.
@@spazmonkey2131 Damn Bureaucrats. a lot of young people lost their lives and some are both Physically and Mentally Traumatised and this is what they do to them. for serving their country.
Veterans have committed suicide inside VA waiting rooms. That should be an indicator to how much the VA doesnt fucking care about US servicemen and women
The entire US military exists solely to protect capitalist interests. Nothing else matters. Not the soldiers, not the world, not the environment, nothing.
This sounds like the synopsis of a episode of House. Are you sure you can't sell the story to some medical tv show? Because I'm sure it'd do pretty good.
Ah man I remember my adventures with morphine. I had just started to ween off of the morphine and by the end of the day I had hit the morphine button like 20 plus times, I was asked by my doctor if I was in pain, and still on morphine I remember saying, nope I'm just using the button to keep from being bored
And to think I was devastated when the Army Recruiter laughed me out of his office because of a scar from a broken leg. Thank the both of you guy's for your service.
It’s really interesting hearing about these solider stories, I grew up in the army for the past 14 years, and now my dad has essentially gotten a pseudo civilian job so he are permanently moved to Florida. Sometime I feel like I have some sort of mini ptsd from moving every year and losing contact with everyone, and I have heard horror stories from my dad about soldiers getting absolutely ruined by the stuff the army has put them though, thankfully my dad made it threw iraq without losing his mind, but I have met people who weren’t so lucky.
I would kinda like to imagine one of those Doctors that was checking out Zach’s situation came across this video and then remember him and showed other people in his office. “See, it wasn’t bullshit this is the guy who had that weird ass leg situation all those years ago.”
Honestly reminds me of how I was almost misdiagnosed with Sleep apnea, was after my 4th heart surgery when I was 15 so about 2016, after my surgery I was in the Icu for a few day’s, had some Tubes removed from my abdomen, then one night during my week stay in a normal hospital room I was awoken by doctors cause my oxygen was low, they thought it was weird and helped me put my little nose piece back on. Happened a few more times so they gave me an oxygen deal to take home cause they thought I had sleep apnea, I disagreed, I theorized that it was my body getting used to the Pig valve they replaced the cow artery with, anyway when I was discharged they had me go take a sleep apnea test or whatever. When I did the test the results were I was fine, no sleep apnea, SO GUESS WHO WAS FUCKIN RIGHT! I saw one of my doctors monitoring me for a post on checkup and I was just so smug after he got the results back!
@@Nerozard yeah, it was cause I was born with tetralogy of Fallot a common heart condition where certain parts were larger than the rest, underdeveloped, or not developed at all the valve that was replaced with the artery and then the pig valve was one I wasn’t born with.
I know you two are probably not going to see this but here I go you two are helping me through the hardest part of my life and when ever I get yelled at or bullied you guys will always be there to help me and you're also giving me the best advice for when my mom forces me to the military so thank you both so much and I love your stuff, Love a fan
@@minutemanjnc4552 I myself don't know any current service members so i can't say for certain how bad it is but it doesn't surprise me that they have no idea how to treat them while currently serving
I just want to say, I really appreciate your videos; been subbed a long time and have found endless entertainment in your content. But more importantly, I wanted to express that I find your earnest stories about your military careers is so important, especially since the military is so glorified among the demographic that goes out of their way to watch content based on vidya games that depict combat. I hope you know these realistic anecdotes free of hollywood/game dev sanitation are incredibly important and while it's a dramatic point to bring up, you have probably saved lives. Perhaps not necessarily in the direct sense of keeping someone from being killed in combat, but in the sense that if even one viewer was on the fence about military service and wasn't prepared for or aware of the inglorious aspects of service that are never discussed popularly, and decided it wasn't right for them, they are now living a life that is best for them. Your stories have been affirming for me; I came from a long line of US servicemen and came of age right after 9/11. I had spoken with a LOT of recruiters, and looked into a LOT of opportunities in the military, but my family members who had served broke my will and convinced me against it. I selected instead to go to college and study the nature and history of the US and our military, and the relationship between society and the state. For a VERY long time, I wrestled with the idea that I had made the wrong choice, especially with the influence of my peers from my small, conservative, rural hometown, many of whom DID join the armed forces. I know you make content with the context and intent of just putting out quality entertainment with dry wit and humor being a vehicle to that end, but I want you both to know, the little stories like this have been reaffirming and important to me, and I hope as impactful to others in similar situations to my own, or even that subtle push people on the fence about serving needed to come to whatever decision is right for them. I don't comment stuff like this often, but felt it was important enough and I hope my words reach you, well. Godspeed to both of you, and keep up the fantastic work.
Problem is that from the looks of it, Mike doesn't have many stories, this was mentioned one or two episodes back, Mike had a really boring time in the military, all of it in reserves, so he had a few teeny experiences and that's it, that's not to say the military is the only place to get some fun stories though.
The two most prominent ones to remember him mentioning, was the humanitarian mission out to that one spot where the permit ice was melting and so people's homes were collapsing. And that one time when he was younger and he accidentally made a dry ice bomb
A German hospital failing to diagnose a cause of this leg problem proves that the U.S. system is effed? Nope. Look at waiting times, the condition of hospitals, and capacity. Canada and other countries are way worse. Also, EVERYONE COMES TO THE U.S. TO GET THE BEST TREATMENT AND CUTTING EDGE TREATMENT.
its not that simple univerial health care has flaws but so does us system theres multiple instances where canadians have to go to the u.s. just to receive better treatment
@@hariman7727 The hospital he's referring to was in Germany yes, but it's a United States Army Hospital. He wouldve had a better chance figuring out what the hell was wrong with his leg from a civilian hospital in Germany
@@ArtyFire118 or in a civilian hospital in the US. United States is a cost issue based on the overuse of insurance, but not a quality issue. Not like the hospitals in London where people wait for weeks in moldy filthy conditions among many other places where the actual conditions and care for the lower income side are awful.
when zach said, "the doctors hated me", I could only think of that clickbait title some channels have, "Doctors will hate you once you learn this little trick" lol
I whole heartedly believe that you two should start a podcast i would love listening to it because you both give me a good laugh and give me interesting stories to remember and interesting facts to know at weird times.
I remember when I was having panic attacks I had the sense of impending doom thing, didn't realize that was an actual symptom until I looked it up. Once I looked it up I ended up finding out it made a lot of sense where you just kind of feel like you are about to die in like 3-4 days but that date just keeps getting extended.
From stories I hear, the Canadian military isn't much better. A friend of mine tried to use an education grant that all members were eligible for after six years service, but was told that because the time between receiving his acceptance letter and arriving at boot he "wasn't a member" he was actually short by a couple of weeks. Add this to our pm outright telling a wounded vet at a town hall that veterans were asking for too much in regards to healthcare they're rightfully entitled to/have earned.
My dad has a story about his time in the navy. This was back in the mid 80's. He got told to go to medical one day without explanation. Doc came in and started administering shots and got like 4 in before my dad stopped him and asked what they were for. The doc said this was immunization before being deployed to west Africa (I think). My said he wasn't getting deployed to west Africa and that they had the wrong person. The doc stepped out saying he wanted to confirm and my dad never saw him again. Well 6 months later he developed severe cancer and was hospitalized for most of a year and later medically discharged. He maintains to this day that he thinks it was the Navy that gave him cancer by shooting him up with god knows what.
As someone with a weird mystery pain for the past 2 years, I ten thousand percent agree with the "if you're not assertive with your doctors they'll start doing stuff to ya"
I love the reference of foreigner they made. Makes me smile! And the part on 14:42 when he says disposable heroes hit me with how hard metallica was trying to send a message
You got weird leg things, I got a weird arm thing where I can pop the entire joint out of the socket at will, putting it back in is another issue though... Usually need a hammer or a heavy object...
@@Kevin-rk3ef I mean I can't feel anything in that shoulder anyways when I snap it out and back in, just a weird tingling, rest of the arm is fine though
I can partially remove both arms from their socket, but I've never tried to fully remove them. Probably not gonna, but I've been able to do that my whole life. Super weird, freaks people out when I show them
The Va honestly wont even give a loan. They only Guarantee 25% of any loan a bank can give a service member. Outside that and the medical sub standard care the va can offer a one time offer to a soldier to get them around 10 grand to augment their home to disabled needs like lowering sinks ect.
Yeah, our military/government doesnt give a damn about soldiers, let alone its vets. They screwed over my dad by lying and telling him he wasn't eligible for a 4O1K. 26 years later, he retires and it turns out he was eligible. Now he's barely able to get by collecting disability and unemployment. I feel like you guys would have a field day talking to him about the army though, he's got a lot of fun stories.
This was a great, if disturbing story! I would really be curious to see the reaction of the RUclipsr Dr Mike on this, but I think you got the right idea on the carcinogens. Thank you for sharing this personal, and painful story with us!
When the body gets to hot it sends more blood to the limbs. So your theroy may be correct. All those chems in your bloodstream and the body sending them to the left leg
Good 'ol Dept. of Veterans Affairs, exists only to prevent a second "Bonus Army of 1932". The Bonus Army was a group of 43,000 demonstrators - made up of 17,000 U.S. World War I veterans, together with their families and affiliated groups - who gathered in Washington, D.C. in mid-1932 to demand early cash redemption of their service certificates. If the Veterans are too busy fighting with the VA, they won't march on Washington to camp out until they're given what they're owed. I say this as a lucky bastard that managed to prove that the USAF gave me Tinnitus, ADHD, Major Depression and Anxiety / Bi-Polar, and everyone's fave, Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder. I get 80% disability because I can hold a part-time job while drugged. The fucked part? the Tinnitus, ADHD and Bi-Polar existed before enlistment. But were never documented, or declared, because my parents didn't believe in psychiatry.
Doctor: Sounds like a voodoo curse. I suggest you try apologizing to past girlfriends.
It sounds either psychological/stress based, or some environmental factor that started it, and it persists because I don't know.
"Local man cures voodoo curse by hate fucking all of his exes to death, more at 11."
Finally, a reason to watch the news!
Pre-emptive assault from Andrea.
What girlfriends?
It could be worse. He could have been transformed into a pigeon like that Canadian comedian
I choose to believe Zach was in fact allergic to the Army. The doctors couldn’t prove otherwise, after all.
Allergic to the uniforms, the food, or whatever else... I'm guessing underwear
@@librarianseth5572 If it once every 3 months then i doubt it could be uniform.
@@spookyengie735Maybe it had to build up
No he was allergic to being the smartest and sanest person in the military
Checks out
"Impending sense of doom" set me off. That's a known precursor of serious medical problems like poisoning andheart attack
Really?
That definitely sounds like "my body KNOWS something's fucked, but it just doesn't know what yet."
Well if Zach theory about the chemicals and cigarettes is true, then that checks out as "Poisoning"
@@thewraithwriter22 Yeah, it was covered in my emergency care exam
@@blckspice5167 cool
Today I learned: Zach Hazard had Peripheral Edema in his left leg for several years and literally no doctor ever thought to send him to do to a physical, nor did they ever send him to a proper physician.
Source: I have Peripheral Edema in my right leg. Exact same symptoms as Zach, although not as frequently. Then again, I'm not as physically active as he was in the military.
Edit: Burden-Induced Is not an official term in English, so I'm changing It to Its proper medical term.
D-did you just f-ing solve it????
you solved the channels biggest mysteries
Now we just need to upvote the comment so he sees it!
Edemas usually have an underlying cause, right? Like it's indicative of a larger problem? Or is that the burden-induced part? This does sound accurate though, given how he described the symptoms
@@dharma_dude Unless Zach was somehow obese in the military or has a history of heart problems, or has suffered kidney failure, It's not something he should necessarily worry about.
However, given his problem with the lymph nodes, I think It's plausible that It started out as edema and since developed into a lymphnode inflammation, which aligns more with It coming and going - My right leg requires about 6 hours of rest (Same level as my heart, ie laying down) in order for the swelling to go down.
Honestly these campfire stories are better than any podcasts.
Agreed
What about the gun rants?
It's par for the adeptus ridiculous podcast, which almost seems like it's the same two guys for both.
Agreed
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"I don't like how the US treats it's soldiers once they leave the military."
Amen to that. My grandpa put in 19 years to the Navy and they booted him out the moment he had a medical problem with no benefits or anything. Man had to fight them to get compensated for injuries he got in Vietnam, but that's the VA for you. Giving you the bare minimum and fighting you the entire time.
That fucking sucks man! It’s made worse by the fact he’s a Vietnam veteran. He endured hell in Southeast Asia, for a pointless war that went nowhere, only to come home and be spat on by the very people he was fighting for, and to be ignored by the same government that put him in Southeast Asia in the first place.
Honestly I wouldn’t be surprised if they’d still fight you if you came out of the army a quadruple amputee
That's why their unofficial motto is "Giving Veterans A Second Chance To Die For Your Country"
A close family friend was in the Navy. He suffered a pretty bad stroke (one of his arms was near useless) and he was in severe pain (don't know what caused that). When he tried to get help for the pain from the VA they basically called him a faking drug-seeker, said the pain was all in his head. That went on for years until he killed himself. Uncle Sam killed that man and countless others, and he will keep killing for as long as he lives. Doesn't matter who's side you're on, if you aren't making the US money, or worse, you cost them money, you're at best worthless in Uncle Sam's eyes (and at worst you're a target).
@@saudade7842 oof you have a badass of an uncle
The fact his military nickname was "hazard" makes 90% of his stories make so much more sense
Well he is Zach Hazard for a reason
Its his last name.
@@happywombat Well that makes it even better.
no man its litterly his last name
and i fucking love it
like ZACH HAZARD is such a cool fucking name
@@simonsoupshark8009 it sounds like the name of an early 2000’s kids animated TV Show
Finally the story of Zank's weird leg thing he mentioned once ages ago
Z A N K
Zank
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@@mobiusone6994 ZANK
The “he’s faking it” story reminds me how one of the drafted recruits with a weak back tried to carry a fully loaded backpack and effectively severed his spinal cord and became fully paralyzed in his legs
Squad sergeant just kept screaming trying to make him do push ups
They still forced him to go through basic by staying in bed in medical to not ruin their statistics of failures
It seems Fort Polk lives in all of us
Fort Polk is the sergeants we met along the way (I've never served in US Army, but I had my own meetups with anal retentive superiors demanding things that were impossible to me due to a medical situation).
Was the paralysis permanent??
Jesus fucking Christ
@@mantha6912 Of course, he will get disability till the end of his life
met someone with a similar story. Tiny dude, not sure how big he was in the army but when i knew him he was like 5'9" and 150lb, maybe smaller, and he told he _used_ to be wiry and thin so he must have been a twig in the army. He was some kind of paratrooper and they had him jumping out of planes and shit with a backback that probably weighed as much as he did and one time his CO said he was faking an injury despite the fact that he'd dislocated his kneecap and his leg looked like a purple sausage and you could move his kneecap around with your finger.
Medics hate him... not because of his one wierd trick, they just hate him.
Medics hate him because of this one weird trick, but not in the way you think!
@@jonasdrejerjensen it's their fault, they gave him the morphine
When is the Mike's energy gun rants
Yooooo, yes. Been waiting on that
"The Laser RCW has a fire rate of 'a-f***in-lot', and kills enemies with gusto."
[Zach fires at Mike]
Top comment this rn
Unless he has extensive sci-fi from ALL futuristic shows and games to compare, he will go "laser burns hot to flesh".
Edited: switched "if" with "unless". Makes more sense.
@@alecdickens1042It has a flash-powered muzzle hider.
I feel bad for the medics
"I'm trained to fix gunshot wounds not fevers!"
"Dammit Jim, I'm a *doctor*, not a... oh... well, I can't fix this!!"
Fevers are actually a common side effect of infection from gunshot wounds so yes, they are very much trained to deal with fevers. Swollen lymph nodes and legs the size of a blimp, no.
Med student here (on clinical rotations)-the description Zach gives sounds like lymphoedema, i.e., the lymph nodes start working weird and cause severe swelling and possible other symptoms such as nausea. Many times idiopathic, can also be caused by stress or chemicals. Treatment actually can be through removing lymph nodes or chemotherapy to "burn" the nodes into working again (probably what the German doctors were thinking but didn't explain well, they need better bedside manners). Usually not a dangerous condition per-se, but very impactful on daily life (like Zach's stories) and can increase the risk of blood clots due to the inflammation. So, tl;dr, Zach your lymph nodes got funky and it could actually be "you are allergic to the army"
Hi, not a doctor, I'm just giving my guess regarding weird medical experiences I've had. I suspect the lymphodema may have caused or worsened other conditions such as Baker's cyst or knee bursitis. All these conditions match what he's described and the side effects such as the impending infections may have caused swelling, hallucinations, nausea, and vomiting. I've had septicemia before and those last two literally feel like Hell.
@@blackout6411 There were also people suggesting it to be Burden-Induced Edema. It's possible he had both, one causing the other, much like you're saying
@@mindlessscientist3772 Thank you, that's something some doctors do is assume it's just one thing but sometimes conditions can really screw a person up when combined and some of them are literally caused by similar things so I think him having a combo condition just makes the most sense.
@@blackout6411 Very good point there! Yes, it could also be an infection or inflammation of the knee that just happened to be very localised! I assume the reason the doctors may have discarded it could be the biopsy or the blood tests though. Since we don't know what they biopsied (for septic arthritis or bursitis it should have been a synovial puncture) then we'll never know! But true, there could have been an underlying condition that simply made it worse. Another condition that comes to mind are hip conditions that may affect the vasculature of the leg for example, causing poor venous return and inflammation and perhaps even mild miositis, which could explain the 104 fever (which is very odd outside of an infection). Of course, these are all very rare and theoretical diagnoses.
@@edmunddantes5351 I definitely agree on the infection, I mean with the temperature it sounds like during that window of time his leg's lymph nodes may have been blocked so infection is the next logical step.
In the Korean War, my great grandfather had a serious concussion and a broken arm from a blast. He was very delirious and high thanks to the morphine they put him on.
One day, while the doctors were away with other patients.... he decided himself that he didn't want to be in the rear line hospital anymore. With a broken arm, he climbed out of the 2nd story window of his room, then hiked *15 miles* back to what he thought was his unit (it wasn't, he found some Canadians), before someone found him again and dragged him back to the hospital.
Don't do drugs, kids!
@@Kevin-rk3ef Wanna know the best part?
*he was a fucking Brigadier General* (or at least he was at the end of the war, might have been a Colonel at the time) James R Mcnitt was his name. Crazy guy lived until 2003.
@@RyanKing00 Air force? Because I looked up the name and the first thing that came up was a page by/on the US Airforce about him.
@@clockworkpotato9892 Yeah, that's him.
What the hell?
That 'disposable heroes' comment Mike made hit different. Makes me sad.
Soulja boy
Made of clay
Now an empty shell
Edjt: sorry "soldier" my bad
Once you're not on hand to help shovel money into the defence contractors any more the complex doesn't care.
Hits because it's real lmao
@@metetural9140
TWENTY-ONE
ONLY SON
BUT HE SERVED US WEEEELLLL
The US, giving back the bare minimum to the people they screwed. Well, if enough people force them to.
We will always take care of our soldiers!
What about veterans?
They're not soldiers anymore!
*zach gets concussions at boot camp*
"What about recruits"
They're not soldiers yet
New phone who dis lmao
that would imply that any military ever takes care of their soldiers. they don't. they do the bare minimum and that's all. all they want is for you to die for a cause that you yourself may not even believe in.
@@ariabritton9669 aint that the truth.
>Not soldiers anymore
>First people to get drafted in case of manpower shortage
Make up your mind DoD
Oh I love weird health problems! For example, I woke up one day with severe chest pains!
I thought "Hmm thats weird, maybe my asthma is acting up" so I took my inhaler. It didn't stop, so I was like "Hmm that's not good, one more hit isn't a good idea but I've had to do it before in emergencies so maybe that'll fix it". It stopped successfully. The next day, I woke up with a worse chest pain! I had to go to the emergency room, I went in, and I got blood tests for two days. The pain went away after I was put onto an IV, but the doctors couldn't figure out what he hell was wrong with me.
Then I remember a story from my dad that at one point in his life, he had severe heart pain after not having enough salt in his body, because for some reason my family filters salt out of us at a severely increased rate, apparently from some stupid rare 1% of population genetic mutation. Well, I decided to test that out. I went a day and a half without eating salt. Yep, there's the chest pains! So, now whenever my heart starts screaming at me in pain, I literally go to our salt grinder, grind salt into my hand, and eat it, and the problem stops in five minutes.
TLDR: My heart got f*cking pissed off because I didnt have enough salt in me, so now if I feel like I'm having a heart attack I eat a handfull of salt.
Suggestion is play league of legends
Damn
Someone who actually needs to be salty in their life all the time, who woulda guessed it?
Have you had your thyroid checked? As soon as you mentioned salt, the first thing I thought of was thyroid deficiency.
Lmao keep a little capsule of salt in your pocket at all times; pocket salt 😂
getting an ad for the U.S. army at the end of this video was just too perfect
I got a health insurance commercial which I believe fits pretty well as well
The US Army has ads?
@@gyroscope915 All of the recent ones have been pretty terrible, straight up disingenuous at points, but yes they do, and they're everywhere
It started in california!
I got a hair commercial and a John foy strongarm commercial
The VA: Giving you a second chance to die for your country.
You should've stopped at the word 'die' ...
this feels like a fuckin House episode
That's what he should've said to them when they sent doctors. "Just get me fucking house!"
I was honestly waiting for one of them to mention lupus.
@@JDTN1985 no, it's never lupus
@@kaylag5043 except when it is in that one rare case
@@kaylag5043 wasn't it lupus once?
God these campfire stories have been coming out so fast it’s like a month long Christmas. Great work guys love all your videos
ALL HAIL THE LASGUN Cadia stands
@@christiankneupper7011 Hail to Cadia the planet fell long before the guard
Seriously! I've been having a rough time lately, but when I see Campfire Stories in my feed it brightens my mood up and for the next 12-15 minutes everything is alright.
I fucking just knew they'd break out into singing Foreigner as soon as Zach mentioned his fever of 104
You can tell by how they cut it
Foreigners so good though!!
Do Mike and Zach now possess the Foreigner Belt?
The Doctor going towards removal of the lymph nodes was my call as well. Of course, I work in a Mortuary, so...
Correct me if I'm wrong but you need those right?
@@TheAsylumCat apparently you have around 500 lymph nodes in your body. In short they are nerve clusters that are filled with a fluid inside.
@@TheAsylumCat you need them but you don’t need all of them. Your tonsils are also lymph nodes and in some cases getting them removed is beneficial
@@TheAsylumCat Your body has tons of them and they're basically filters for your lymphatic system, which is itself a filter for your body. They're where all the random crap your body doesn't have a use for and that it's not specifically equipped to remove already goes.
@@thatcow86 which means removing them would have gotten rid of the place where all those chemicals were going? Wouldn’t this have made the situation worse?
This medical mystery was more riveting than the average episode of House M.D.
Hey Rhetam, cool to see you on Mikeburnfire! By the way, when is Fallout 3 Part 5 happening?
House wouldve figured it out unlike they other doctors
@@Emily_North
Got several videos already done & edited! I'm hoping to finish them all up the coming month and release them day by day.
the case of lupus that house never got to treat.
@@Rhetam Cool, thanks for responding!
Zenk got abducted by aliens so they could study his foot fetish and that's his tracker chip acting up.
They wanted to analyze his feet, so they took of the leg, but the reattachment went wrong.
"We dont know what wrong with you, lets do a life changing medical procedure!" Who was his doctor? fucking House M.D?
House would run tests and meds until the cows came home until he zoned out for a few secondsand then it would hit him. As I recall, he only did physical procedures as a last/near-last resort. House would've had this solved in a week,, tops, lol
Lymph node biopsy is a very common procedure. However they only remove ONE lymph node. Removing the entire lymphoid system from the left leg... Either Zach misunderstood something or the doctors there are thinking waaay outside the box.
@@blazingnomad by the sounds of it, the docs were bout ready to air lift an actual witch doctor from Africa just cuz they were straight up out of ideas.
Fuckin' tax dollars at work there, folks. Should have taken him to a Veterinarian instead of the army docs
@@stephenflint3640 And people say they want government Healthcare, hahaha. Look no further than the VA for a shining example of that. State run Healthcare would be like combining the VA and DMV
Zach, the VA might hate you and think you are indeed a disposable hero, but the fans all thank you for your pain and service to this (shitty at best) country.
Have you guys ever thought of doing a Podcast? I could listen to you guys talk for literal days on-end.
I'm seconding this
Everyone asks of this but personally I don't think they should. The charm of this old-style of RUclips is refreshing. What they do is practically old-style lets plays and I don't think they should just jump on the bandwagon of everything being podcasts and livestreams these days.
@@ArmouredProductions That is an entirely fair outlook and I respect that; but, none-the-less, I'd kill to just listen to them bantering more often.
If I remember correctly Mike has said on his discord channel that currently he and Zach doesn't have the time to do stuff like weekly podcasts, maybe sometime in the future but no guarantees though.
@@theta682pl I'm thirding this.
TF2 Medic be like: "oh vell, my medical opinion iz ze leg is cursed"
I just had a lymph node removed from my neck cause it caused me excruciating pain for the past 5 yrs. Turns out it got caught in some of my neck muscles and slowly became necrotic. But now it's finally gone and they even had to remove some surrounding tissue do to decay.
I was thinking it was a lymph node based off what he said. But I'm just a comment section doctor.
the VA's sounds to me like Scamming the Us's Soldiers.
Edit: Props to the Medic's again and the Guy's who helped Zach when his leg started acting up during PT.
and as for his drill instructor the guy deserved getting an earful from the medics.
Its centralized healthcare run by bureaucrats
@@spazmonkey2131 Damn Bureaucrats. a lot of young people lost their lives and some are both Physically and Mentally Traumatised and this is what they do to them. for serving their country.
Veterans have committed suicide inside VA waiting rooms. That should be an indicator to how much the VA doesnt fucking care about US servicemen and women
The entire US military exists solely to protect capitalist interests. Nothing else matters. Not the soldiers, not the world, not the environment, nothing.
@@kainepeterson6638 Only 2 parts of the Military strictly defends the United States and that's the Coast Guard and National Guard
the hot-blooded lyric exchange was so smooth wtf
This sounds like the synopsis of a episode of House.
Are you sure you can't sell the story to some medical tv show? Because I'm sure it'd do pretty good.
Eh, it's not lupus though.
Ah man I remember my adventures with morphine. I had just started to ween off of the morphine and by the end of the day I had hit the morphine button like 20 plus times, I was asked by my doctor if I was in pain, and still on morphine I remember saying, nope I'm just using the button to keep from being bored
Medic: We've lost Moreland.
Sergeant: Oh. Damn.
Medic: No, I mean we literally lost him! We cant' find him!
His inner florida man comes out when the morphine goes in.
These men’s stories are amazing 💜🔥
"At one point, they lost me..."
"What, you died?"
I'm fucking losing it.
oh Germany thats where you watched like 3 movies all day
Very Specifically Sex and the City 2
It honestly sounds like his sciatic nerve
Sciatica does sound like a possible cause, yes.
Ool I'd like to hear this
Happened to me, hasn't happened in at least 8 months
And to think I was devastated when the Army Recruiter laughed me out of his office because of a scar from a broken leg. Thank the both of you guy's for your service.
I would love to hear a podcast with those two talking about military stuff (not only their personal experience but military in general).
It’s really interesting hearing about these solider stories, I grew up in the army for the past 14 years, and now my dad has essentially gotten a pseudo civilian job so he are permanently moved to Florida. Sometime I feel like I have some sort of mini ptsd from moving every year and losing contact with everyone, and I have heard horror stories from my dad about soldiers getting absolutely ruined by the stuff the army has put them though, thankfully my dad made it threw iraq without losing his mind, but I have met people who weren’t so lucky.
I would kinda like to imagine one of those Doctors that was checking out Zach’s situation came across this video and then remember him and showed other people in his office. “See, it wasn’t bullshit this is the guy who had that weird ass leg situation all those years ago.”
“You listen to the smart man gimme more morphine” had me in tears laughing so hard
Honestly reminds me of how I was almost misdiagnosed with Sleep apnea, was after my 4th heart surgery when I was 15 so about 2016, after my surgery I was in the Icu for a few day’s, had some Tubes removed from my abdomen, then one night during my week stay in a normal hospital room I was awoken by doctors cause my oxygen was low, they thought it was weird and helped me put my little nose piece back on. Happened a few more times so they gave me an oxygen deal to take home cause they thought I had sleep apnea, I disagreed, I theorized that it was my body getting used to the Pig valve they replaced the cow artery with, anyway when I was discharged they had me go take a sleep apnea test or whatever. When I did the test the results were I was fine, no sleep apnea, SO GUESS WHO WAS FUCKIN RIGHT! I saw one of my doctors monitoring me for a post on checkup and I was just so smug after he got the results back!
Jesus, 4th heart surgery at 15? You doing at all better now?
@@Nerozard yeah, it was cause I was born with tetralogy of Fallot a common heart condition where certain parts were larger than the rest, underdeveloped, or not developed at all the valve that was replaced with the artery and then the pig valve was one I wasn’t born with.
Geez .. heart surgery? You had it tough!
@@davysmith1934 try being neurodivergent in a fucking red state buddy.
These campfires are fast becoming my favorite thing to look forward every few weeks.
I know you two are probably not going to see this but here I go you two are helping me through the hardest part of my life and when ever I get yelled at or bullied you guys will always be there to help me and you're also giving me the best advice for when my mom forces me to the military so thank you both so much and I love your stuff,
Love a fan
Quick, RUclips doctors unite! Tell us what is wrong with zach’s leg.
Burden-induced Edema
Must’ve been AIDS
It wasn’t lupus.
Queue Pillars of Pepper
@@notforsaletoday1895 cross it off the whiteboard
I agree with Zach the US has no idea how to treat our former service members
Medically the US doesn't really know how to treat anyone
blame the government
@@delgadovakarian4477 you can thank the government for that as well 🙂
@@minutemanjnc4552 I myself don't know any current service members so i can't say for certain how bad it is but it doesn't surprise me that they have no idea how to treat them while currently serving
@@delgadovakarian4477 I agree I am terrified to go to the hospital because of how much debt it would put me in
Zach could never catch a break
Plot twist: Zach is really from the Fallout universe and came to ours with some mutation
I wanna give Zach a headpat after hearing this. So happy it’s not happening right now. Good luck, buddy
I just want to say, I really appreciate your videos; been subbed a long time and have found endless entertainment in your content.
But more importantly, I wanted to express that I find your earnest stories about your military careers is so important, especially since the military is so glorified among the demographic that goes out of their way to watch content based on vidya games that depict combat.
I hope you know these realistic anecdotes free of hollywood/game dev sanitation are incredibly important and while it's a dramatic point to bring up, you have probably saved lives. Perhaps not necessarily in the direct sense of keeping someone from being killed in combat, but in the sense that if even one viewer was on the fence about military service and wasn't prepared for or aware of the inglorious aspects of service that are never discussed popularly, and decided it wasn't right for them, they are now living a life that is best for them.
Your stories have been affirming for me; I came from a long line of US servicemen and came of age right after 9/11. I had spoken with a LOT of recruiters, and looked into a LOT of opportunities in the military, but my family members who had served broke my will and convinced me against it. I selected instead to go to college and study the nature and history of the US and our military, and the relationship between society and the state. For a VERY long time, I wrestled with the idea that I had made the wrong choice, especially with the influence of my peers from my small, conservative, rural hometown, many of whom DID join the armed forces.
I know you make content with the context and intent of just putting out quality entertainment with dry wit and humor being a vehicle to that end, but I want you both to know, the little stories like this have been reaffirming and important to me, and I hope as impactful to others in similar situations to my own, or even that subtle push people on the fence about serving needed to come to whatever decision is right for them.
I don't comment stuff like this often, but felt it was important enough and I hope my words reach you, well.
Godspeed to both of you, and keep up the fantastic work.
Can we get some campfire stories from mike?
Problem is that from the looks of it, Mike doesn't have many stories, this was mentioned one or two episodes back, Mike had a really boring time in the military, all of it in reserves, so he had a few teeny experiences and that's it, that's not to say the military is the only place to get some fun stories though.
The two most prominent ones to remember him mentioning, was the humanitarian mission out to that one spot where the permit ice was melting and so people's homes were collapsing. And that one time when he was younger and he accidentally made a dry ice bomb
I think the last campfire story Mike said he didn't have any exciting stories as his time in the military was boring.
@@Only1199 yeah because he was in the reserves
Man I love this series so much, you have so many great stories and you're such a good storyteller
Honestly, that sounds like a chemical contamination thing.
I love these stories to the point I actually remember these stories so much
The US health systems is so fucked that zach is trying to get some free medical advice online diguising as a vídeo.
A German hospital failing to diagnose a cause of this leg problem proves that the U.S. system is effed?
Nope.
Look at waiting times, the condition of hospitals, and capacity.
Canada and other countries are way worse.
Also, EVERYONE COMES TO THE U.S. TO GET THE BEST TREATMENT AND CUTTING EDGE TREATMENT.
And in the US you never have to wait at all, and you always get the best care possible /s
its not that simple univerial health care has flaws but so does us system theres multiple instances where canadians have to go to the u.s. just to receive better treatment
@@hariman7727 The hospital he's referring to was in Germany yes, but it's a United States Army Hospital. He wouldve had a better chance figuring out what the hell was wrong with his leg from a civilian hospital in Germany
@@ArtyFire118 or in a civilian hospital in the US.
United States is a cost issue based on the overuse of insurance, but not a quality issue.
Not like the hospitals in London where people wait for weeks in moldy filthy conditions among many other places where the actual conditions and care for the lower income side are awful.
Thank you both for your service.
This is like an anti-smoking PSA and a Remember your Gloves PSA all in one
You guys are probably the most underrated story telling on RUclips. HOW DO YOU NOT HAVE 1 MILLION SUBS?!?
when zach said, "the doctors hated me", I could only think of that clickbait title some channels have, "Doctors will hate you once you learn this little trick" lol
I whole heartedly believe that you two should start a podcast i would love listening to it because you both give me a good laugh and give me interesting stories to remember and interesting facts to know at weird times.
I remember when I was having panic attacks I had the sense of impending doom thing, didn't realize that was an actual symptom until I looked it up. Once I looked it up I ended up finding out it made a lot of sense where you just kind of feel like you are about to die in like 3-4 days but that date just keeps getting extended.
I love these campfire stories honestly. Its also nice to see more of then coming out
Smoking after cleaning firearms without washing your hands sounds like something "Hazard" would do
From stories I hear, the Canadian military isn't much better. A friend of mine tried to use an education grant that all members were eligible for after six years service, but was told that because the time between receiving his acceptance letter and arriving at boot he "wasn't a member" he was actually short by a couple of weeks. Add this to our pm outright telling a wounded vet at a town hall that veterans were asking for too much in regards to healthcare they're rightfully entitled to/have earned.
I have to give MASSIVE props to that smooth-ass lyric drop...
*mwa* perfect 👌😎
Love these campfire stories. Reminds me of all the funny and stupid stuff from when I was in the army
Mike "wow you were hot-blooded could they check it and see?"
Zach "yeah I had a fever of 103"
Me "that was beautiful."
loving all these campfire stories coming out, they always make me laugh
My dad has a story about his time in the navy. This was back in the mid 80's. He got told to go to medical one day without explanation. Doc came in and started administering shots and got like 4 in before my dad stopped him and asked what they were for. The doc said this was immunization before being deployed to west Africa (I think). My said he wasn't getting deployed to west Africa and that they had the wrong person. The doc stepped out saying he wanted to confirm and my dad never saw him again. Well 6 months later he developed severe cancer and was hospitalized for most of a year and later medically discharged. He maintains to this day that he thinks it was the Navy that gave him cancer by shooting him up with god knows what.
I love how they just plopped the Foreigner reference in there so smoothly
As someone with a weird mystery pain for the past 2 years, I ten thousand percent agree with the "if you're not assertive with your doctors they'll start doing stuff to ya"
I love that you guys are posting more of these stories
Yes more of this please!
This series will always bring joy to my life
This is one of the many reasons why the war in Iraq took so long and that war was run on blind hatred and rage, and certain people don’t realize this
It's a damn good day when a video from them comes out
Wait we're actually going to hear about the weird leg problem I was literally thinking they would do a story about this yesterday
I love the reference of foreigner they made. Makes me smile! And the part on 14:42 when he says disposable heroes hit me with how hard metallica was trying to send a message
You got weird leg things, I got a weird arm thing where I can pop the entire joint out of the socket at will, putting it back in is another issue though...
Usually need a hammer or a heavy object...
Jesus Christ dude
@@Kevin-rk3ef I mean I can't feel anything in that shoulder anyways when I snap it out and back in, just a weird tingling, rest of the arm is fine though
I can partially remove both arms from their socket, but I've never tried to fully remove them. Probably not gonna, but I've been able to do that my whole life. Super weird, freaks people out when I show them
Had a lady friend but rather than her arm its her knee
@@perryborn2777 you two both scary
I enjoy just listening to you two talk about this sort of stuff. I look forward to every single episode.
Me, watching Zach playing games: "He's a nice funny guy"
Me, hearing Zach's army stories: "He's a fucking hero"
Campfire stories and zachs gun rants are my favorite videos on youtube
Every time I listen to one of the stories about the military I feel so glad I got knocked back so many times.
I love these campfire videos, keep it up Mike, I know they all take a while to edit so I appreciate the time you take
I tried to look up the VA out of curiosity and the first thing it gave me was advertisements for VA loans for veterans... how fucked up...
The Va honestly wont even give a loan. They only Guarantee 25% of any loan a bank can give a service member. Outside that and the medical sub standard care the va can offer a one time offer to a soldier to get them around 10 grand to augment their home to disabled needs like lowering sinks ect.
I have this image in my head of Zach attached to an IV sneaking through the hospital like he was solid snake.
Yeah, our military/government doesnt give a damn about soldiers, let alone its vets. They screwed over my dad by lying and telling him he wasn't eligible for a 4O1K. 26 years later, he retires and it turns out he was eligible. Now he's barely able to get by collecting disability and unemployment.
I feel like you guys would have a field day talking to him about the army though, he's got a lot of fun stories.
I appreciate that Foreigner reference in the middle of the story. It made me smile.
It seems Zach collected a better history than his treatment team.
Best,
A doctor
This was a great, if disturbing story!
I would really be curious to see the reaction of the RUclipsr Dr Mike on this, but I think you got the right idea on the carcinogens.
Thank you for sharing this personal, and painful story with us!
When the body gets to hot it sends more blood to the limbs. So your theroy may be correct. All those chems in your bloodstream and the body sending them to the left leg
your banter is so entertaining keep up the good work lads
Soldier boy, made of clay, now an empty shell
Twenty one, only son
But he served us well
I gotta say. I appreciate you both for having served. I wish they treated you better :(
Well...that was a somber ending
Good 'ol Dept. of Veterans Affairs, exists only to prevent a second "Bonus Army of 1932".
The Bonus Army was a group of 43,000 demonstrators - made up of 17,000 U.S. World War I veterans, together with their families and affiliated groups - who gathered in Washington, D.C. in mid-1932 to demand early cash redemption of their service certificates.
If the Veterans are too busy fighting with the VA, they won't march on Washington to camp out until they're given what they're owed.
I say this as a lucky bastard that managed to prove that the USAF gave me Tinnitus, ADHD, Major Depression and Anxiety / Bi-Polar, and everyone's fave, Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder. I get 80% disability because I can hold a part-time job while drugged.
The fucked part? the Tinnitus, ADHD and Bi-Polar existed before enlistment. But were never documented, or declared, because my parents didn't believe in psychiatry.