Having played this game for thousands of hours I've come to the conclusion that one setup is not better than the other. I use certain setups because I feel like using that setup at the time. Not because one is better or worse. Whichever setup I choose always gets the cargo to the destination.
A Pro of hitch trailers you didn't mention was winching. You can detach, drive forward and winch the trailer to you when the mud would otherwise prevent you pulling it.
The best trailer is a second truck. You can equip chains on one, and mud tires on the other, and they will push each other when one gets stuck. And if one of those trucks has a crane, you can even clean up a spill and keep on trucking.
I don't really buy into the 'meta' idea either. It's whatever you like. I tend to look at what cargo needs to be moved around the map and do vehicle selection so I can minimize future travels. For that I gravitate towards setups that can haul the most cargo. The 3 slot beds with the ramped flatbed seem to be a go-to favourite. 7 cargo slots are pretty handy. That said, backing up those hitch trailers are a pain and I will use saddle when I can get away with it, they are usually more stable and backing up isn't a chore, usually. Yes, I have used the 8 slot trailer in some less than ideal conditions, not because it was a good idea but because I CAN! Using the Zikz and hauling the super heavy trailer to the north camp in Tennessee was fun and frustrating at the same time. I like to imagine if the people were real and the receiving station saying "He's doing WHAT now?" I look ahead a lot and make decisions based off leaving trucks and trailers in certain places and maybe need later. If I can haul 7 slots of cargo in, detach and move another 2-3 cargo without the trailer, that speaks a lot as well.
Even though my meta is crane/sideboard bed/ sideboard trailer, I really enjoyed the video. I've grown really fond of the crane/low saddle/ sideboard semi combo recently too.
Well Its good to hear from people who use the crane/sideboard/ trailer combo. Its a good set up. They both are and they just open up alot of variety and perks on both.
Another well-constructed video Nathan, keep it up :) When I was starting out I was obsessed with basically only using trucks that could use a crane, bed and trailer (Bandit, Azov 73210, Voron D, etc), and it really blinded me to some of the other excellent trucks like the Grad and the DAN. Then eventually I realised that almost every low saddle truck was also crane capable, and I've never looked back on using hitch trailers again lol. I'll still use the 2 and 4 slot hitch trailers occasionally for trucks that can handle the pulling weight, but it's almost always a sideboard semi-trailer with a crane for my dedicated haulers. I should probably experiment a little more though, I've never once used the wide heavy semi-trailer (outside of the Imandra plane mission) or the stepdeck semi-trailer, and I really should. I didn't realise how much ground clearance the wide trailer had until you showed us, now that's looking very appealing.
One huge advantage of the stepdeck is its ability to not tip tall cargo like containers, it's low center of gravity keeps it planted where sideboards fail*
I found myself preferring to use 2 trucks with flat bead and pulling one of them than using trailers, except for huge cargos. Also, I found myself using less the crane, unless the mission really requires it.
This is what i use as well. If i get to a tippy spot i unhitch and do 1 at a time. If it is deep mud/snow they can help each other. And i dont have to drive it back. Just recover and do the next mission.
Personally I prefer the step deck semi trailer over the side board/flat bed semi trailers. I just find it more stable and although it doesn’t have much ground clearance it doesn’t get caught very much and just slides when not on its wheels. I am also a big fan of the 8 slot with the kolob and enjoy the challenge of it. Just my opinion.
The step deck like I said is a sleeper. It’s underbelly doesn’t get caught up and the ability to pack things on the step deck park makes it amazing. Respect on using the 8 slot as well!
I don't know if you're open to using mods or not but if you like the step deck, Fox Rider's, Off Road trailers is still tried and true when it comes to the step deck. I just love it!
I used the super heavy semi trailer for Wisconsin truck trip task or contract forget what one in phase 3 from 1 map to the other. You need 16 cargo from one spot to another so I took 2 trips mostly highway all the way.
I'm not into hitch trailers , I'm terrible at reversing with them. I usually go with a long low saddle trailer or just truck bed depending on the terrain, found more enjoyable making multiple trips than attempting 1 and flipping it :D. BTW : this video reflects how much could be improved in this "offroad cargo" game , like trailer tool boxes that actually do something, inflate/deflate tires , winch anchor options / tools , etc... but no we get racing trucks and more scouts that are unusable in these maps.
Glad you think so! Oh and yes.. There are mods that have these areas as usuable features, but I wish the developers made those toolboxes and such somewhat usable
High saddle wide/heavy trailers seem like a perfect match for P16, aka the flattener of terrain, the destroyer of debris. Seriously though, it is easier to account for width, when your truck is as wide as your trailer.
Really wish we could have a hitch trailer that didn’t use a front wheel Dolly. I get why they do it for stability in turns but you should be able to get a 2 or 3 slot hitch trailer without a front dolly.
Ya that would be a nice touch. I know there are moded trailers out there like that. Of most mods, I’m more open to using trailer mods just for things like that
One more thing, regardless of what trailer setup you use always make sure the heaviest cargo is at the front (metal beams, concrete etc) and gets loaded first and unloaded last, or rearrange cargo inbetween if necessary. Unpacked cargo isn't actually heavy at all, and once it's lifted onto your trailer you can use your loading crane to push it to the back. You can also jackknife your trailer to better access more rearward parts with your loading crane. Also the hitched two slot flatbed sucks in my opinion, it's ridiculously heavy and it's all dead weight and especially early game with smaller trucks and smaller engines it feels like you're pulling a loaded trailer around when it's still empty, which if your truck is also empty can stop you in your tracks in some sections if you only have highway tires or dirt tires. If you feel daring use the four slot, weighs basically the same empty but with two extra cargo slots, otherwise use the two slot sideboard.
I tried using the superheavy 8 slot for moving drilling equipment in island lake. That did not work out well. struggled to get it out of the trailer shop, managed to get it near the far platform with inf equipment and got stuck on the hill. got it past and then promptly got it pretty much completetly stuck onm that same hill.
Ya the 8slot is very appealing because well.. it can use 8 spaces, but as you said it just gets hung up on soo many spots that it makes it very frustrating. I know some folks that use it and can tolerate it, but it’s not my cup of tea
I always look forward to your trailer reviews and insights on hauling setups! Your expertise shines through in every video. Keep up the great work, and I can't wait to hear your thoughts! 🔥
I like to have 1 truck with each different setups, no "meta": 1 truck with crane and low saddle (for sideboard trailer when large cargo needed) 1 truck with a bed/crane and a 2 slot trailer 1 truck with a fuel addon for refuel and rescues 1 truck with a large crane (for realism and rescues and roleplaying large repair tasks) 1 truck (CAT) excellent off-road capabilities to "ferry" other trucks through horrible areas 1 truck with large saddle (use military trailer to deliver other trucks sometimes) plus use for the heavy missions
Great video! Appreciate the thoughts. Those saddled trailer upsides didnt occur to me, especially the one concerning weight. Tbh I dont even use trailers that much since the regular "map" missions appeal to me the most and the multiple cargoes are mostly for the contract missions. But I will definitely consider using saddled trailers going forward. Its great too that you always recognize and respect that everyone has their own preference. I think this is especially true for a game like snowrunner where you really can just do stuff to enjoy the game and not necessarily always do it the most optimal way.
Thank you for those kind words! Im glad you got some useful information from this. And you're absolutely right, its not to take anything away from a different playstyle , but just to notice that there can be multiple ways to get it done
As someone who played all phases 2 times (once in single player and once in co-op), all I can say about trailer configuration is that "it depends" - sometimes the sideboard bed and hitched 4 slot trailer works great, sometimes you want to have a saddle sideboard trailer. I would agree that sideboard bed and hitched 4 slot has an advantage that your truck is still able to carry cargo if you decide to leave the trailer behind. One trailer that I would definitely avoid is the Super heavy - although it looks tempting to carry 8 cargo at once, most of the maps in Snowrunner are not designed for its length and it ends up being too long and too low to be worth the efforts.
Very well put. It is dependent on situations and moreover than that, driver choice. I think after I switched over to saddle I just couldn’t go back after how good it felt for those things I mentioned
First year of the game was tayga with crane and sideboard saddle trailer. Or the step deck (the step deck cand actually haul 6-7slots of cargo or even more by having them held by the crane. I went full 5slot and two packs of metal beams on top of eachother on the little step. The crane rests on top and the winch is tied to tje bottom one. Pretty stable. Got me where i needed. The 8slot with kolob and zikz is another favorite for the latest big contracts and the challenge reminds me of the struggle with the big mission trailers. On some maps it is kind of doable to have two kolobs, each with the 8slot trailer.. really a along setup. The turns i take sepperatley with each truck. If i plan to go only one way (and recover after delivery) i go trailerless with the twinsteer or even two twinsteers tied together. There is a fun ballance to drive the twinsteer in my opinion. It is tippy but you can read the terain to judge if you can make it. Two twinsteers is kind of asking for tipping. And the twinsteer is fast, can submarine itself crossing water, and being so long it usually not gets bogged in the mud pits as the back axle is not into it, and when the back axles reach the mud the front already cleared. And being awd now i use it alot for trailerless delivery. Another combo i've used is a normal crane and sideboard bed offroad truck and the twinsteer towed. If i flip the twinsteer i have the crane to put it back. And latlely because of harder maps i go zikz with bed and four slot ramped trailer And another setup i've went extensivly is the low 10x10 azov that can have crane and bed and trailer or even better 3slot bed and four slot trailer, towing another 4slot trailer sometimes, or the twinsteer . Now that it got active suspension is a lot more usable. I'm a man and i only need 1 trip for my groceries unpack at home. The same i try to do in snowrunner. Reminds me of the old spintires game where i pretty much only loaded a bunch of unpacked logs with the c255 and delivered all cargo in very few trips. Old habits die hard.
Those are some good setups and you seem like you're a very experienced player from the older games as well. Have you tried using some of the lesser trucks on a playthrough?
@@NProvince Yes, i have a hardmode game started about 1/3 done with only the basic free fround vehicles. The GMC 9500 and the fleetstar are the workhorses in this playtrough, also the fav scout is the scout800 - tippy but fun and has a lot of range and quite big addon fuel spare and monster repair points for a scout. Sure tayga was free and used it a lot in the more harder regions. The same I did in spintires-mudrunner: play only with b130 (the Zil130 blue truck). Also being in sort of eastern europe ex soviet coutry a lot of those trucks i've seen in real life and by nature of my job i did also drove some of them (tatra 813, zil131, IFA, UAZ, kamaz, kraz) I was a pretty diehard player back in 2000-2010, now life happened and with work/kids/family/responsabilites the play sesions diminished a lot but not gone.
Necromancer strikes! My go-to for huge hauls is... a saddle trailer and just towing the 4 slot hitch trailer behind a-la australian road train style. Sure it takes a powerful low saddle truck to do the deed, but I've done it in Amur, Yukon and Maine mud with the Voron Grad and stupid heavy loads. It works, somehow, and saves doing several trips. That being said, when it goes wrong... it goes REALLY wrong...
That’s a good method. Good thing your using a Voron grad with all that power at its disposal. When it works I’m sure it’s amazing, but it’s probably pretty rough when it goes wrong.
I don't really like the Wide body flatbed much. Used it a bit when it came out in Season 1, everybody was hyped that "OMG Saber finally giving us a trailer with offroad tires" I'm sitting here reading peoples comments thinking "Um it's a trailer, axles aren't powered. It doesn't push you, it doesn't pull you, what difference does it make what bloody tires a trailer has?" Anyway I used it and meh, kinda seemed like a pain in ass for no gain over what a saddle low trailer can do. While it drags a bit, the Step-Deck otherwise seemed more stable and less prone to hangups. I stand by the Wide Body should of been a 10 slot trailer, 2 rows of 5 cargo stacked side by side rather then one row down the middle. The Wide Body looks big enough for it. Overall I even use the 8-Slot what more then the Wide Body. I use the 8-Slot with the Cabover KOLOB and I can usually bully the trailer into going anywhere it needs to go. There's been times I had the 8-Slot curved like L and I just keep bullying it and it usually gets though. You'd be amazed the places I've took that trailer. Only 2 places I can think of off hand where the 8-Slot can't go. First is that tight ass and completely unrealistic turn on the Smithville Damn. Second is the curvy piece of road in Season 7. Otherwise I'm betting I can likely get the KOLOB to force the 8-Slot to go wherever I need it, regardless if the trailer is happy going there or not. Like I said, I'll bully it in there. lol The worst trailer in the game is by far the Goosneck. It's not even the side riggers, Saber really needs to do something about that rare bumber. Alter the bit box on it, hell I don't care have the bumper be there only visually but otherwise make it clip though the ground and objects. Most times I'd never suggest this, but the Gooseneck is completely unusable in SnowRunner, it just can't go anywhere without constant hangups with that bumper how it is.
Oh yes.. the highway trailers in an off-roading game. I know what you mean for sure. There are mods to help, but I jus wish the devs made these more customizable, like getting new tires suspensions and such for these trailers
@@NProvince I'm a vanilla game player. I don't mod, I have seen them and they look awesome and I'm jealous, but i dont want to break the original game the devs made. I haven't even moded skyrim....
@@Flik_13 likewise. I’d rather just use what is given. I honestly feel mods have ruined this game. In my opinion the game isn’t hard if you understand it a lil
@@NProvince That's why I like your videos so much. Help me understand parts I missed or didnt fully get. In depth tire video was a game changer. Making my way through all of your snowrunner content. I like the off road scout trailer, but it's a scout trailer...
I think the most off-meta setup I can think of (that would still be usable) is using the C70 Kodiak with a low saddle and the gooseneck semi-trailer. If there is any change of inclination, both up or down, you would get stuck lol
@@wolsel9726 I love the kodiak, but I’m gonna disagree. The long frame and trailer collision going over terrain is similar to that of the fleetstar. If you can tolerate it, that’s awesome though.
@@NProvince low saddles in general seem to catch on the frame of many trucks and hilly/humped terrain should be avoided with them. Something special happens to the Kodiak with all the trailer weight on one axle and the high range gearbox. I haven't done severe offroading in it because the Kodiak is just not the best option there, but its been a workhorse for what it's worth. Also, I'm not one to rush the meta in any game, so I am enjoying working with what Hard Mode gives me.
One thing I've found in my own play through is that the hitch trailers are more nimble in tight spaces but less stable. Sometimes that extra bit of flexibility can really make a difference when you're navigating through rocky terrain or twisty paths through trees. You bring up a lot of good points about the saddle trailers though, I should definitely use them more often, especially in terrain with a lot of side-to-side slope. One big drawback that I always run across when I use them though is they don't handle vertical changes very well. I've high-centered too many saddle trailers and just been really frustrated getting them over a big bump in the terrain. Also a drawback that you can't really use your winch on them when they're unattached because they have front anchors instead of wheels really makes rescuing saddle trailers a pain in case something does go wrong.
Very good points! Im glad to see that you have success with hitch trailers and that you are still open to saddles. They both have their own issues to deal with for sure
The only correct method of carrying cargo is freeballing them on a flatbed and stacked on top of each other. Imagine having to return a trailer like a total NERD This comment is endorsed by the Overloading Gang
Just a couple notes, what you keep calling outriggers, are not outriggers. Outriggers extend the footprint of a vehicle, making it wider and more stable. The crane anchors are outriggers. Those legs under the front of saddle trailers are called landing legs. Much like how a landing gear on an aircraft is needed to hold them up, it cannot support itself without them. This is the same with the trailers. The landing gear are required to to support the trailers, it cannot stand up without them. Outriggers extend out away, landing gear land on the ground to hold it up. That rail that runs under many of the trailers is a common European setup. Those rails are called side underride guards. Their purpose is to prevent a car from going under the trailer in a side collision. They are rigid structures and cannot be moved nor taken off as per safety regulations. They are not used on US trailers. US trailers that have large fairings under them, almost exclusively box types, only have them for better aerodynamics. They are lightweight and flexible, allowing them to bend under without damage on a sharp crest like at a dock or rail crossing. Final piece you didn't mention, longer trailer setups can help you cross open terrain more easily because you can winch from the side of the trailer. This is more useful with saddle trailers since they don't have the forward dolly to kink up and jam into the ground. A long trailer allows you to grab and winch onto very far spaced anchor points that would otherwise be unable to reach.
My favourite is the stepdeck. It can also pack rails and the airplane. I don’t like the dollies as they add a ton of resistance they don’t put weight onto the drive axles and they are a bear to reverse. My favourite trailer is rangers trailer mod as you can get regular bumper pulls. They are far superior in maneuvering, reversing and they add weight to the drive axles. Kodiak pulls them like a boss and that’s an excellent 4 slot logistic solution
I find that the biggest difference why u would wanna use a sadle trailer over a hitch is if u have a truck that tends to struggle with keeping the speed. If u have a truck that is stronger then it needs to be for whatever cargo u wanna pull then a hitch trailer isent gonna effect it that mutch becouse the truck can compensate with its extra power. However if u have a truck that is just above the line of having no issues pulling a sadle trailer and u switch over to a hitch now that truck can start to struggle alot when asked to pull the weight and u lose grip at the same time due to no pressure over the rear tyres. So if u have a truck that is more powerful then it needs to be but not OP your not gonna notice mutch difference, but if it is just above the required power and u swap from a sadle to a hitch u gonna notice it for sure. Not saying its gonna be impossable but u gonna notice a difference for sure in how smooth it goes.
I'm actually a fan of the 8 slot semi trailer. I think it's one of the most useful trailers in the game. It takes a bit of planning, but especially when I'm doing the big contracts solo it's such a help to just be able to take the A7 or 605R and carry a huge bulk in one go. I don't like the ramped trailers and I generally do not use them unless I have to. I also prefer the flatbed hitch trailer over the sideboard model, especially for hauling 2 slot items as they're too large to fall between the stakes and the stakes are taller than the sideboards, also the double axles and lower floor make it feel more stable to me. As for the meta, I've played with people who basically always only run a meta setup, and I will purposely go out of my way to not do so in those cases. Sure sometimes it is the best solution to the problem at hand, but I find that it rarely is. I much prefer saddle trailers because it's that much easier when you have to fidget around with them. I've quite often had the "discussion" about needing to move 8 slots worth of cargo with a duo buddy, when the usual suggestion is to do two meta setups. But in my experience most people are open to a Kolob with 8 slot trailer and a support truck. Doing this means the support truck is much more mobile so it's more able to assist when needed. The 'second' Kolob with 8 slot and Azov Dolphin with a maintenance frame is an almost unstoppable team. In my experience this gets most things done faster and more easily than running 2 meta rigs.
I used the 50/70 as my main truck and the side board semi trailer for the entire first region. I still use the 50/70 most of the time just because I like it. I like the way it looks and it was the first truck I could afford in the game. Imo nothing beats a side board semi trailer and a crane. It's still my go to set up.
Meta is data which describes structures of data and how things work brother. Say the underlying rules governing the physics of the way trailers work in the game. It's a very lazy way of using a word that people don't really understand fully. It's a topic given a lot of time when I took software engineering for data mining algorithms back before it was baked into everything we do to serve us ads using cookies. Let's say if you wanted to make an excel sheet to describe what your video explains. Meta data would be the information that's not forward facing to the user but governs the way interactions take place. Blame our education system for people using the word. Meta on its own makes people sound dumb as it's the new catch phrase for implying the way software works under the hood. It drives me nuts too. But I hope I explained it properly enough so you are informed and realize while not wrong to say it's not correct. Kind of how the word 'optics' has replaced 'perception' when dummies try to sound smart when parroting into that other's have said when let's say a game company does something that taints its public perception. Optics is the study of or the engineering involved in systems that manipulate light. Yong Yeah does it alot because he's become a millionaire by reading news and to keep from plagiarism he uses a thesaurus and alot of false plurals in his language. For example watch a video where he talks about corporate greed and replace his use of 'optics' with consumer perception and depluralize every time he uses a double plural. Like saying ten millions dollars instead of saying ten million dollars. It's this new form of grammar everyone uses that is wrong but kind of like how most words with "ir" in the front were never considered words like irrespective, if enough dumb asses say it then it's entered the common vernacular and thus Websters is forced to add it to the list of words. Go read up on it. It's horrible. It's ruined an already hard language to learn the nuisances of correctly when bad grammar is considered proper after after enough people use it. I read alot to keep from being infected by this because the whole anyone with a camera can make a video no matter their grip or command of the English language. The first time I heard people saying Meta instead of Metadata (of underlying rules or governance pertaining to a bespoke system) it drove me nuts. It doesn't sound right to any educated persons ears but now everyone does it. I make a point not to but since it makes people feel smart to say it I don't complain anymore. I'm a software engineer and self-taught electronic / electrical hobbyist one who happens to be a video game Nerd and a writer / musician with a belief that you never stop learning or striving to be better at what interests you and never believe something just because someone says it keeps me from having these rants. But now you have a long-winded (purposely so) reason for why people saying that doesn't sound right. Nor is it right and it's why people believe in global warming and that Putin is worse than Hitler. Don't follow the herd I've learned in my 44 years on earth and read alot and don't point out people's blind stupidity because we're in the minority. Technically we're still in the thaw of the second ice age since the last mass extinction. No matter how much we cut carbon emissions the earth is still going to get warmer until it gets colder again. Winners write history and not all are the good guys. When thr Assyrian empire was defeated their libraries of thousands of years of scientific research were destroyed and it trusted us back to the dark ages. It took over 2 thousand years for the telescope to be rediscovered. Such a small thing but imagine what else was lost. Snowrunner is awesome but the xbox ultimate version on pc sucks so I'm going to buy the steam version haha. Great video. Thanks.
Any update on the hitch trailer with the new zikz612? it has the crane at the back, and now bed + crane+ 4slot is much more easy to load. and the new zikz.. even if it's larger and feels slower than 605.. it still a monster that overpoweres most any other trucks and has plenty of fuel and some repair points.
No updates on hitch trailer for the 612. The 612 did get upgrades which I did make a video on showing those buffs, but it can still do crane,sideboard bed, hitch trailer combo
i really liked this..... it got me thinking about using the step deck semi and the sideboard + ramped trailer. the only drawback i have is which trucks dont suffer to much when trying to pull the ramped hitch trailer - i couldnt wait to sell it in michigan because of how much drag t had
nowadays I just use trailer mods ;-; I've played through snowrunner so many times and I've grown a little tired of the tiny amount of options, when you tried mods on your randomizer I tried them too and idk if I can live without them anymore, especially those log trailers they're so much nicer to maneuver than the weird saddle + hitch style trailer the game has by default
Another thing to consider is the weight of the cargo itself. It could be a massive truck you're hauling from site to site or a small batch of wood planks.
Nah man 4 wheel wagons with steering front and tongue being hard to back is accurate. Hauled a lot of logs and hay IRL on our farm. My Dad can back one into the barn but he’s a wizard at these things.
@@NProvince It’s easier to back trailers IRL than it is in this game in most ways. I’ve played the game 55+ hours now and the one other thing that strikes me as being a little off about the physics is that taking a high speed run at mud to carry yourself through with momentum doesn’t seem to work as well as IRL, or at all maybe.
Very interesting topic, thank you for reviewing it! I would like to say that I think the video would be much more enjoyable to watch if there wasn't the sound of the background gameplay, the engine noise makes it harder to listen to your voice 😅
Personally I prefer Dolly Trailers than Trailers. Dont have to worry much about turning radius and high centering. If I have to double stack cargo/haul vehicles I use the trailers to save on time. If I have to haul quick I use dolly trailers. I've completed the campain to the point where I just use Mods. And the 3 mod combo's I use frequently is the Mercelus Z636 (Truck), OlSom's Trailer Pack and Olesen's Trailers. Trailers have high but soft suspenssion while with the truck you can choose high/low and soft/stiff. You can also lock the trailer pivot on the dolly trailers.
meta meanst beeing efficient. and hauling more shit in less runs is the most efficient thing hence why semi trailers are surely not efficient but just more convenient for some
I think efficiency is more than just being able to haul more cargo (1 cargo more than semi trailers). Maneuvering, balance, and some of the other things mentioned here also add to being efficient if it’s helping you stay on your wheels, and adds traction as well. Pulling more cargo is a benefit for sure
The hitch trailers are evil because they're ok A frames. There's a military trailer pack on the mods that's more like the European wagon and drag configuration.
@@NProvinceI found the gooseneck's secret niche: vehicle transport in Alaska being pulled by the much maligned CLT9000. Transporting or recovering thirsty trucks like this is great. I also used it to recover other trailers when "tidying up" the map. If you're careful you can back a flatbed or sideboard semi trailer onto it and tidy up the alignment with crane nudging.
What your describing is hitch trailers as dead weight. A saddled trailer with weight inside is weight transfered to the wheel which actually will drive more traction
I've become a bigger and bigger fan of the saddle trailers the more I play for all the reasons you gave. Very very early on I was killing myself towing hitch trailers with empty beds on the truck and wondering why I just sucked. Once the pull/carry weight stuff was explained a lightbulb went off and I never looked back from saddles. So far I've really found the Freightliner m916a1 to be my absolute favorite as long as I don't need the crane, I truly don't understand why so many trucks have super long frames, even the cabovers. Shortest 6x6 truck + saddle trailer = beast at maneuvering, AND you can always winch tow a hitch trailer behind the saddle trailer if need be. I actually was just doing that today with a saddle fuel tanker and the generator behind it.
Great video this is entertaining and I’ve watched a lot of your snowrunner videos, only thing I can say is I don’t believe you would cause any controversy with the snowrunner community lol, pretty sure everybody just likes to take pictures o their trucks in their said enviorments lol it ain’t really that deep, I used to pull four slot ramp trailer but the hitch keeps me from flipping more and is much easier to back up with that’s enough for me. Michigan is the only place I really didn’t use a hitch trailer, the Yukon was a hitch for everything especially that damn gold mine.
Ya perhaps your right, it probably isn’t that deep. Oh man, hitch trailers in Yukon, whew your brave! Respect man! It’s always cool to hear that people are having success in different ways
do i have to re buy the trailers everytime ? i bought a few and the game shows them with a "check" mark but it makes me pay for them again is that how the game works or am i missing something?
Ya everytime you have to pay for one. In normal mode you can sell them back for exactly what you bought them for and find trailers on the map to sell for a profit
One setup I've ran before is two of the international twin steers with the ramped flatbed trailer and 3 slot beds with the crane all daisychained together with a winch. You are only two slots short of the super heavy trailer on two trucks but you can turn and your landing gear doesn't get caught on railroad tracks. If the superheavy trailer didn't get its landing gear caught on stuff so easily I would use it more but it always does and not even the heavy crane can just pick it up at the front to get it over the obstacle. I do wish there was a "high mobility" saddle trailer with no skirting or low landing gear and maybe a 4 slot sideboard deck. I'd take the lower capacity for something more useful offroad
First on my trailer hate list is the gooseneck semi-trailer. Pretty much any obstacle on the road gets caught under it. Especially in those areas where there was a rockfall and the road was cleared afterwards. During a mission, two medium-sized rocks got caught between its wheels and it took me a long time to get them out (I was in a spot with rock walls on both sides, so I didn't have much freedom of movement). On another mission I ran past one of those areas where, even after the road had been cleared, the 'road closed' barriers kept appearing; my truck suddenly came to a grinding halt and at first I didn't understand why, because I couldn't see anything around my truck that could block it that way. On closer inspection, one of those effing barriers got snagged between the trailer's little wheels. That was a TRUE pain to get out. Like when you have a small piece of food stuck between two molars and it just doesn't want to come out, LOL! Again, thank you so much for these videos and your SnowRunner content in general. It has helped me a lot. Cheers! //Rick
The semi fuel tanker is great but I've never needed that much fuel so I always end up with the smaller fuel trailer or maintenance trailer as you can just pull it around with a winch hookup to almost any vehicle
My personal "meta" setup for what I call a "powered" trailer, is the Voron 4380 and a 5 slot low saddle, winched by whatever. The Voron 4380 has a unique winch point on the axle pumpkin. It's a huge difference because it actually lifts up the truck in stuck situations and force turns the truck. The Voron is very light, with a good motor. It's the best powered trailer in the game
Im so happy to see someone putting out videos on this game without superficial knowledge about things, very interesting to see a proper indepth view on even just the trailers. And I very much agree that the Semi Trailers have a lot of advantages compared to the hitched ones. Even if only for the reason that if you need to reverse with a hitched trailer while in a tight spot, you are in quite the pickle, but if you need to reverse with a semi trailer, with a little practice, EASY! A question, you mention the downsides of trailers max cargo, do you double stack? Cus its very common for me to fill the semi trailer or flatbed of a truck, load it, then put another row ontop, ofc I cannot load those, and it will be more top heavy, but thats just added challenge! Plus i find with careful driving the Semi-trailers and flatbed trucks are mostly fine with it, the hitched trailer i would deem to unstable for double stacking for the most part. Also this may be a long shot, Nathan or anyone reading this for that matter, anyone would like to play? Few of my friends play this game with me and thats rare, I play only really hardmode, got like 400-500 hours into it maybe, love logistics and such. :)
Thankyou for breaking the mould of the CraneBedHitchMasterrace. Just had a disastrous (but ultimately successful) learning experience thinking taking 4x concrete slabs on the 8 slot from Drowned Lands to Zimnegorsk was a great idea to save making multiple trips. Watching my 6436 getting pulled through some of the thicker stuff by the Tatarin, I noticed that the winched truck also accelerates and reverses with you, it's not just dead weight. That brought me onto a mega hauling combo that I'll soon be trying out: 5 slot saddle trailer (for weight on wheels cargo) with a loaded Twinsteer winched behind. Making it essentially a powered 4 slot hitch trailer (for less pulled weight?) For 9 slots total but less impact on my prime mover. Also gave me solid ideas of what could be implemented in the future (playing on console so not sure if there is the mod community already all over it): Add in the Stiff bar to connect trucks together for a solid physical connection whilst moving together as a winch option if you're super short range when making connection. Implementing trailers that are designed to be connected so we make B-Double/Triples or genuine Road Trains. Of course there aren't too many maps where it would be appropriate but don't let reality get in the way of a fun gameplay mechanic/ challenge.
I've tried something similar, and I would recommend having the Twinsteer in front. Because its shape demands more careful navigation of turns, it's likely to get toppled if, for instance, it turns to follow the lead truck's steering and hits a bump on the inside of a bend. If it's in the lead, you can keep it stable, it has massive pulling power to keep the second truck moving, and the saddle trailer can grind around obstacles more easily because it weighs less.
@@NProvince ok i am actuali aravied at kanada and im mostly only colected upgrades and trucks and did not so much quest and have only done way unlocking quests like building brigdges and my mate done in the meanwhile sone quests
trailer meta or not, I'm proud I'm not the only one who tought about loading 3-4 loads of logs into the sideboard semi-trailer, for one drive to the log shop! also... if I do have more than 2 cargo to haul, I almost always pick the sideboard semi-trailer, instead of a truck and hitch trailer combo! what tractor do I use for pulling the loads? the civilian ank38 is just a beast! 3 maintanance trailers across the map, and I'm set! if the map has service stations, which taymir has (bless it), I always visit the service stations, for fuel and repairs, and utilize less trailers! Too bad ank's don't have the logging add-ons, cuz boi I'd like to speed-run the logging missions with them... about the fatboi lowboi heavy trailer! dragged that fatass all over michigan and taymir with the bandit (in superscout form) on top, and the bandit didn't even flintch in those mad angles! "trucks can come unpacked on the lowboi" is a weak statement :)) I never had it happen to me! other than sideboard semi-trailers, lowbois, and maintanance hitch trailers, I haven't used any of the others... all the trailers I find on the map, if I can use them for objectives, I will use them, then sell them, soo I can upgrade my trucks (on the very beginners maps of michigan), later on I will just use the crane to tip over the cargo from the trailers, and just sell them :)) the naked flatbed semi-trailer is not the same thing as the sideboard semi-trailer, the cab can't move as freely with it, compared to the sideboard variant, soo I usually flip the cargo off those, and sell them imediatly! you can try it yourself, so you can see what I am talking about, even jacknifing the truck doesn't work with that, spinnign the whole rig on a dime
Well I think moving logs in semis can be a good way and its how I do it currently just to remove the back and forth and save gas. Anyways good points in the comments. Glad you also enjoy using semi trailers
I just can't use the wide flatbed semi trailer. It *always* gets stuck somewhere. It's big, heavy and clumsy. Sometimes I think "let's give it another go it won't go wrong this time"... *nope* ... big hassle getting from A to B again. I would literally use every other option before it Or maybe that's just me x) Awesome Video as always. I really like your in-depth-reviews
Me personally I run like the ausies do. I run my main rig with a 2 slot cargo bed on it. Via bumper pull I pull the 2 slot with the rails because it makes my trucks turn better. Now the part I do is I pull another 2 slot via winch. I play hard mode so I have a recovery rig for refueling and repair. And a a scout I will run the route to see any hazards and maybe help u flip a truck. (Will be the khan loaf when I get it) If need be will grab another rig to unflip my truck and use it to reload if possible. Not all trucks can have a bed crane pull but if not will use a second crane truck to load but usually don't need to worry
A year later, and yea.. 5 slot trailers are definitely better. Yes, I could haul more, but backing up is an absolute pain with the bumper pull. (not sure why I'm back here, buy y not) I question what younger me was thinking
I like hitched trailers more, mostly no problem to pull the trailer as long as you have load on the truck. But i think the "meta" is to use paystar 5600+ winch a second truck with hitched trailer. Winching a second truck, if one of your trucks tip over you can rescue it with the other truck. Also having 2 trucks (paystar winching a twinsteer) you can recall both, but thats of course not an issue in hardmode since there you dont rely on recalling.
Thank you for your take on what works for you. That set up for sure works, especially very well with the 5600TS which is one of the stronger trucks for sure so it doesn’t have much issue pulling hitches with 250k torque. Its good to hear about what set ups work for people
I never use the small cranes unless a mission specifically calls for a crane. And even then i usually use large crane with ramped flatbed. Cranes are more of a hindrance than a help. I find the cranes themselves cause me to flip more because they add more weight up high and upset the trucks balance. The gooseneck i have only used for the large cargo containers because they love to cause rollovers. Had bad experience with that in island lake. Gooseneck prevents that. I prefer hitch trailers for extra space and you can drop and re attach using winch more easily if the truck is struggling.
I have been goin at it since May. I used to drive a big rig in my 20s,then life happened. On actual roads,thou, but I'm from the high north of Norway, so snowrunner is my nostalgia. Good content,and I just subbed.✌️🌭
That’s awesome you actually used to drive big rigs! This game is definitely right up your alley! Thank you soo much for the sub. Im glad you have been enjoying the content :)
this is VERY helpful info thank you man for making this video. I used to never use low saddle trailers but after some experimentation I find the sideboard semi trailer is the best choice for me for most cargo types. It works great with the Tayga with crane and the new Mastodon with crane as well. Much easier to reverse as well compared to the "pup" or "dog" type hitch trailers which I always have trouble with the front axle going wacky.
i just for the life of me can't stand dollies! try reversing one offroad when you're in a pickle. that alone is enough for me to pick a saddle trailer. even if that means i'll have to make some tight manouvres
Reversing is tough with hitch trailers for sure. I do think saddle trailers do better in tight situations due to jackknifing the trailer and simply pulling forward, kinda like shown in the video. It’s really a trade off between both trailer sets, which I hope this video helped clear things up :)
Nice review Nathan. I agree with you re saddle trailers over hitch trailers.... and I even agree with the truck you used in the video. The paystar 5070 with a saddle trailer and crane is my preferred option. It's a great little truck and often overlooked. With a saddle trailer and dual tyres on the rear it really isn't badly tippy. I think the only time a hitch trailer might be better is the Paystar 5600ts with 3 slot bed and crane + 4 slot ramp trailer. The 5600ts is so strong, stable, fast and capable that it can move those 7 slots with ease. Yes it drinks the fuel but with weight over the rear tyres you can save a lot of fuel by switching AWD off. I use the two combos mentioned in hard mode almost exclusively. Thanks for your great work and your content. 👍
Loved your insight on how you use these Peter! The Paystars to me are gems in this game. I think at one point I will alter all fuel tanks in the game to 101gal/380L and just have a good ole time
An easy way to visualize the angled truck-trailer situation is to imagine sitting on a 3 legged barstool. Now try to imagine the legs are in line, it becomes immediately unstable. Even the slightest amount in offsetting the legs improves the stability a lot.
My favorite is two trucks with side board semi trailer. 10 slots at one go. Kinda situational but it fun and satisfied done mission at once. Also if one truck tip I have second chance to recover it.
I agree that the meta is the sideboard bed + crane + hitch trailer. So the obvious question is what is the best truck for that combo? I only have about 400 hours into this game so far so I haven't tried all the trucks yet. I'm using the GMC for this role currently in Yukon and it works OK, but the tank is a little small and it's easily damaged. Maybe the bandit? Or is there something better I haven't tried yet?
So in the video I actually argue that it should not be the Crane/sideboard bed/ hitch trailer for a few reasons. I think pending length of the trucks frame, the low saddle/ crane/ sideboard bed trailer is the best combo. Now trucks, I think there are a ton of trucks to handle this, but driving carefully really will mitigate being damaged. Something I think that holds back the hitch trailer is the fact that you are pulling weight, rather than carrying weight. This was explained in this video and moreso on my mudrunnin tips video as well. I hope this makes sense
@@NProvince Thanks for the reply (and all the content). For me, I play hard mode, so I don't like to buy trailers to save money. On early regions there are plenty of trailers everywhere but now I'm in Yukon and there aren't laying around. I like crane+sideboard+trailer because it's really versatile. If it's a small delivery I can leave the trailer, but with the crane I have the option to double stack cargo if the route isn't too crazy and carry quite a bit. Right now I'm using the Twinsteer a lot. I never had too much trouble with interference the sideboard and trailer, usually if it is tight there is something you can witch the end of the trailer to and straighten it out that way. On Taymyr I used the Tayga+crane+sideboard trailer a lot, but the yellow crane for US trucks is so much stronger. Not impressed with the blue RU crane.
I only use high / low saddle trailers vs trailers that you pull with hitch, as the saddle trailers are more stable, do not tip nearly as easily as the hitched trailers.
I think they are pretty much the same weight as I know, The Maintenance trailer is like an in between from the regular fuel trailer and the repair trailer.
@@OPTCO1 Yessir, thats why I said it was an "in between" both repair trailer and the normal fuel trailer. Its pretty safe to say if you need a fuel trailer but might need a few repar points as well, the Maintenance is a solid pick to do both
One big pro for hitch trailers you forgot. They follow the trucks path very closely making getting through tight spots on corners so much easier. That point alongside the versatility of just leaving it to do a small 2 slot run with the truck makes me default to them.
I mentioned the leaving them and the truck still being viable for small tasks pertaining to hitch trailers. Yes that is one good thing about trailers, but I feel also that while that would good to mention; a lot of people already know that just due to being truckers. Another point is that the hitch trailers follow your path, but the saddled slightly undercut your tracts
Update due to recent Amur trauma: My former go-to 4 slot ramped flatbed flipped or got me stuck so much.... 5 slot semi sideboard was way less painful.
I would say that both Taygas would be good, the Azov 73210 is solid and a few more trucks with good balance will always be good for medium logs. The Forester and the 745C are most definitely safe bets though
Nice one Nathan I do agree with you , I'm a irl semi truck driver and in my snowrunner hardmode playthought the royal set with the bleu sideboard semi I do nearly all my deliveries with even taking 2slot cargo that I placed in the middle ro balance out the trailer and yeah it much nicer to manoeuvre compared to the hitch with the dolly
@@NProvince your welcome Nathan if I know the place is very bumpy I just send the gmc mh 9500 with the crane and side board and i keep royal on more decent tracks so that the royal can you it job Do you have a discord channel buddy?
Having played this game for thousands of hours I've come to the conclusion that one setup is not better than the other. I use certain setups because I feel like using that setup at the time. Not because one is better or worse. Whichever setup I choose always gets the cargo to the destination.
There sure is benefits and down falls of both. Looks like you just use them really well
A Pro of hitch trailers you didn't mention was winching. You can detach, drive forward and winch the trailer to you when the mud would otherwise prevent you pulling it.
Yes you can do that and that can be advantageous , but I’d rather have the weight I’m carrying contributing to my overall grip.
The best trailer is a second truck. You can equip chains on one, and mud tires on the other, and they will push each other when one gets stuck. And if one of those trucks has a crane, you can even clean up a spill and keep on trucking.
I don't really buy into the 'meta' idea either. It's whatever you like. I tend to look at what cargo needs to be moved around the map and do vehicle selection so I can minimize future travels. For that I gravitate towards setups that can haul the most cargo. The 3 slot beds with the ramped flatbed seem to be a go-to favourite. 7 cargo slots are pretty handy.
That said, backing up those hitch trailers are a pain and I will use saddle when I can get away with it, they are usually more stable and backing up isn't a chore, usually. Yes, I have used the 8 slot trailer in some less than ideal conditions, not because it was a good idea but because I CAN! Using the Zikz and hauling the super heavy trailer to the north camp in Tennessee was fun and frustrating at the same time. I like to imagine if the people were real and the receiving station saying "He's doing WHAT now?"
I look ahead a lot and make decisions based off leaving trucks and trailers in certain places and maybe need later. If I can haul 7 slots of cargo in, detach and move another 2-3 cargo without the trailer, that speaks a lot as well.
Even though my meta is crane/sideboard bed/ sideboard trailer, I really enjoyed the video. I've grown really fond of the crane/low saddle/ sideboard semi combo recently too.
Well Its good to hear from people who use the crane/sideboard/ trailer combo. Its a good set up. They both are and they just open up alot of variety and perks on both.
There have been a few new trailers added since. Will you make a small video to go over them too?
Another well-constructed video Nathan, keep it up :)
When I was starting out I was obsessed with basically only using trucks that could use a crane, bed and trailer (Bandit, Azov 73210, Voron D, etc), and it really blinded me to some of the other excellent trucks like the Grad and the DAN. Then eventually I realised that almost every low saddle truck was also crane capable, and I've never looked back on using hitch trailers again lol. I'll still use the 2 and 4 slot hitch trailers occasionally for trucks that can handle the pulling weight, but it's almost always a sideboard semi-trailer with a crane for my dedicated haulers.
I should probably experiment a little more though, I've never once used the wide heavy semi-trailer (outside of the Imandra plane mission) or the stepdeck semi-trailer, and I really should. I didn't realise how much ground clearance the wide trailer had until you showed us, now that's looking very appealing.
Thank you so much! I'm glad that you've tried these out before. It just opens up so much more potential with using other vehicles and such.
One huge advantage of the stepdeck is its ability to not tip tall cargo like containers, it's low center of gravity keeps it planted where sideboards fail*
I found myself preferring to use 2 trucks with flat bead and pulling one of them than using trailers, except for huge cargos. Also, I found myself using less the crane, unless the mission really requires it.
Totally understand. If you feel comfortable that way and you have success, then of course use what feels good and works
This is what i use as well. If i get to a tippy spot i unhitch and do 1 at a time. If it is deep mud/snow they can help each other. And i dont have to drive it back. Just recover and do the next mission.
I just get my friends to play with me
I do the two truck routine as well, that way if anything happens you can separate and drive both.
I started doing this, makes me feel less lonely but also its essentially a powered trailer 😂
Personally I prefer the step deck semi trailer over the side board/flat bed semi trailers. I just find it more stable and although it doesn’t have much ground clearance it doesn’t get caught very much and just slides when not on its wheels. I am also a big fan of the 8 slot with the kolob and enjoy the challenge of it. Just my opinion.
The step deck like I said is a sleeper. It’s underbelly doesn’t get caught up and the ability to pack things on the step deck park makes it amazing. Respect on using the 8 slot as well!
I don't know if you're open to using mods or not but if you like the step deck, Fox Rider's, Off Road trailers is still tried and true when it comes to the step deck. I just love it!
I used the super heavy semi trailer for Wisconsin truck trip task or contract forget what one in phase 3 from 1 map to the other. You need 16 cargo from one spot to another so I took 2 trips mostly highway all the way.
Yep I remember that contract with the cellulose. I’m gonna be on that one here soon on hard mode :)
My meta is no trailers at all, stack everything on bed or just use Twinsteer. I'm too lazy to carry and sell trailers after completing tasks
That works too :)
I'm not into hitch trailers , I'm terrible at reversing with them. I usually go with a long low saddle trailer or just truck bed depending on the terrain, found more enjoyable making multiple trips than attempting 1 and flipping it :D.
BTW : this video reflects how much could be improved in this "offroad cargo" game , like trailer tool boxes that actually do something, inflate/deflate tires , winch anchor options / tools , etc... but no we get racing trucks and more scouts that are unusable in these maps.
Glad you think so! Oh and yes.. There are mods that have these areas as usuable features, but I wish the developers made those toolboxes and such somewhat usable
High saddle wide/heavy trailers seem like a perfect match for P16, aka the flattener of terrain, the destroyer of debris. Seriously though, it is easier to account for width, when your truck is as wide as your trailer.
True, wide trailer for a wide truck indeed!
p16 is too slow for actual cargo, only use for it is those large mission trailers
Screw zodiac signs how do you transport 4 slot cargo
Not sure I follow lol
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Really wish we could have a hitch trailer that didn’t use a front wheel Dolly. I get why they do it for stability in turns but you should be able to get a 2 or 3 slot hitch trailer without a front dolly.
Ya that would be a nice touch. I know there are moded trailers out there like that. Of most mods, I’m more open to using trailer mods just for things like that
Trailer review? I was not expecting that! Nice.
Ya I switched it up. More content to come :)
@@NProvince Excited to hear!
I'm relatively new to the game and this was so well explained, really helpful. Thanks so much! :)
Really glad you found the channel! I’m also glad you’re finding useful information here as well
One more thing, regardless of what trailer setup you use always make sure the heaviest cargo is at the front (metal beams, concrete etc) and gets loaded first and unloaded last, or rearrange cargo inbetween if necessary. Unpacked cargo isn't actually heavy at all, and once it's lifted onto your trailer you can use your loading crane to push it to the back. You can also jackknife your trailer to better access more rearward parts with your loading crane.
Also the hitched two slot flatbed sucks in my opinion, it's ridiculously heavy and it's all dead weight and especially early game with smaller trucks and smaller engines it feels like you're pulling a loaded trailer around when it's still empty, which if your truck is also empty can stop you in your tracks in some sections if you only have highway tires or dirt tires. If you feel daring use the four slot, weighs basically the same empty but with two extra cargo slots, otherwise use the two slot sideboard.
I tried using the superheavy 8 slot for moving drilling equipment in island lake. That did not work out well. struggled to get it out of the trailer shop, managed to get it near the far platform with inf equipment and got stuck on the hill. got it past and then promptly got it pretty much completetly stuck onm that same hill.
Ya the 8slot is very appealing because well.. it can use 8 spaces, but as you said it just gets hung up on soo many spots that it makes it very frustrating. I know some folks that use it and can tolerate it, but it’s not my cup of tea
I always look forward to your trailer reviews and insights on hauling setups! Your expertise shines through in every video. Keep up the great work, and I can't wait to hear your thoughts! 🔥
Thank you!
I like to have 1 truck with each different setups, no "meta":
1 truck with crane and low saddle (for sideboard trailer when large cargo needed)
1 truck with a bed/crane and a 2 slot trailer
1 truck with a fuel addon for refuel and rescues
1 truck with a large crane (for realism and rescues and roleplaying large repair tasks)
1 truck (CAT) excellent off-road capabilities to "ferry" other trucks through horrible areas
1 truck with large saddle (use military trailer to deliver other trucks sometimes) plus use for the heavy missions
Backing double articulated trailers absolutely sucks in real life. Drivers who can accomplish that feat are true magicians.
I agree
I avoid using mods but I do use mod trailers... I do not feel it breaks the game..... Saber should offer better traillers 😊
I've used moded trailers too. They are nice
Great video! Appreciate the thoughts. Those saddled trailer upsides didnt occur to me, especially the one concerning weight. Tbh I dont even use trailers that much since the regular "map" missions appeal to me the most and the multiple cargoes are mostly for the contract missions. But I will definitely consider using saddled trailers going forward. Its great too that you always recognize and respect that everyone has their own preference. I think this is especially true for a game like snowrunner where you really can just do stuff to enjoy the game and not necessarily always do it the most optimal way.
Thank you for those kind words! Im glad you got some useful information from this. And you're absolutely right, its not to take anything away from a different playstyle , but just to notice that there can be multiple ways to get it done
As someone who played all phases 2 times (once in single player and once in co-op), all I can say about trailer configuration is that "it depends" - sometimes the sideboard bed and hitched 4 slot trailer works great, sometimes you want to have a saddle sideboard trailer.
I would agree that sideboard bed and hitched 4 slot has an advantage that your truck is still able to carry cargo if you decide to leave the trailer behind.
One trailer that I would definitely avoid is the Super heavy - although it looks tempting to carry 8 cargo at once, most of the maps in Snowrunner are not designed for its length and it ends up being too long and too low to be worth the efforts.
Very well put. It is dependent on situations and moreover than that, driver choice. I think after I switched over to saddle I just couldn’t go back after how good it felt for those things I mentioned
First year of the game was tayga with crane and sideboard saddle trailer. Or the step deck (the step deck cand actually haul 6-7slots of cargo or even more by having them held by the crane. I went full 5slot and two packs of metal beams on top of eachother on the little step. The crane rests on top and the winch is tied to tje bottom one. Pretty stable. Got me where i needed.
The 8slot with kolob and zikz is another favorite for the latest big contracts and the challenge reminds me of the struggle with the big mission trailers. On some maps it is kind of doable to have two kolobs, each with the 8slot trailer.. really a along setup. The turns i take sepperatley with each truck.
If i plan to go only one way (and recover after delivery) i go trailerless with the twinsteer or even two twinsteers tied together. There is a fun ballance to drive the twinsteer in my opinion. It is tippy but you can read the terain to judge if you can make it. Two twinsteers is kind of asking for tipping. And the twinsteer is fast, can submarine itself crossing water, and being so long it usually not gets bogged in the mud pits as the back axle is not into it, and when the back axles reach the mud the front already cleared. And being awd now i use it alot for trailerless delivery.
Another combo i've used is a normal crane and sideboard bed offroad truck and the twinsteer towed. If i flip the twinsteer i have the crane to put it back.
And latlely because of harder maps i go zikz with bed and four slot ramped trailer
And another setup i've went extensivly is the low 10x10 azov that can have crane and bed and trailer or even better 3slot bed and four slot trailer, towing another 4slot trailer sometimes, or the twinsteer . Now that it got active suspension is a lot more usable.
I'm a man and i only need 1 trip for my groceries unpack at home. The same i try to do in snowrunner. Reminds me of the old spintires game where i pretty much only loaded a bunch of unpacked logs with the c255 and delivered all cargo in very few trips. Old habits die hard.
Those are some good setups and you seem like you're a very experienced player from the older games as well. Have you tried using some of the lesser trucks on a playthrough?
@@NProvince Yes, i have a hardmode game started about 1/3 done with only the basic free fround vehicles. The GMC 9500 and the fleetstar are the workhorses in this playtrough, also the fav scout is the scout800 - tippy but fun and has a lot of range and quite big addon fuel spare and monster repair points for a scout. Sure tayga was free and used it a lot in the more harder regions. The same I did in spintires-mudrunner: play only with b130 (the Zil130 blue truck). Also being in sort of eastern europe ex soviet coutry a lot of those trucks i've seen in real life and by nature of my job i did also drove some of them (tatra 813, zil131, IFA, UAZ, kamaz, kraz)
I was a pretty diehard player back in 2000-2010, now life happened and with work/kids/family/responsabilites the play sesions diminished a lot but not gone.
Necromancer strikes! My go-to for huge hauls is... a saddle trailer and just towing the 4 slot hitch trailer behind a-la australian road train style. Sure it takes a powerful low saddle truck to do the deed, but I've done it in Amur, Yukon and Maine mud with the Voron Grad and stupid heavy loads. It works, somehow, and saves doing several trips. That being said, when it goes wrong... it goes REALLY wrong...
That’s a good method. Good thing your using a Voron grad with all that power at its disposal. When it works I’m sure it’s amazing, but it’s probably pretty rough when it goes wrong.
@@NProvince when you need to rescue your 4th rescue truck...
I don't really like the Wide body flatbed much. Used it a bit when it came out in Season 1, everybody was hyped that "OMG Saber finally giving us a trailer with offroad tires" I'm sitting here reading peoples comments thinking "Um it's a trailer, axles aren't powered. It doesn't push you, it doesn't pull you, what difference does it make what bloody tires a trailer has?"
Anyway I used it and meh, kinda seemed like a pain in ass for no gain over what a saddle low trailer can do. While it drags a bit, the Step-Deck otherwise seemed more stable and less prone to hangups.
I stand by the Wide Body should of been a 10 slot trailer, 2 rows of 5 cargo stacked side by side rather then one row down the middle. The Wide Body looks big enough for it.
Overall I even use the 8-Slot what more then the Wide Body. I use the 8-Slot with the Cabover KOLOB and I can usually bully the trailer into going anywhere it needs to go. There's been times I had the 8-Slot curved like L and I just keep bullying it and it usually gets though. You'd be amazed the places I've took that trailer.
Only 2 places I can think of off hand where the 8-Slot can't go. First is that tight ass and completely unrealistic turn on the Smithville Damn. Second is the curvy piece of road in Season 7. Otherwise I'm betting I can likely get the KOLOB to force the 8-Slot to go wherever I need it, regardless if the trailer is happy going there or not. Like I said, I'll bully it in there. lol
The worst trailer in the game is by far the Goosneck. It's not even the side riggers, Saber really needs to do something about that rare bumber. Alter the bit box on it, hell I don't care have the bumper be there only visually but otherwise make it clip though the ground and objects. Most times I'd never suggest this, but the Gooseneck is completely unusable in SnowRunner, it just can't go anywhere without constant hangups with that bumper how it is.
Great Comment! I like hearing how people use some of these trailers. Its really good seeing the different set ups
I hate all trailers.....i think they suck so badly. We have these bad ass off road trucks and we are stuck with highway trailers.
Oh yes.. the highway trailers in an off-roading game. I know what you mean for sure. There are mods to help, but I jus wish the devs made these more customizable, like getting new tires suspensions and such for these trailers
@@NProvince I'm a vanilla game player. I don't mod, I have seen them and they look awesome and I'm jealous, but i dont want to break the original game the devs made. I haven't even moded skyrim....
@@Flik_13 likewise. I’d rather just use what is given. I honestly feel mods have ruined this game. In my opinion the game isn’t hard if you understand it a lil
@@NProvince That's why I like your videos so much. Help me understand parts I missed or didnt fully get. In depth tire video was a game changer. Making my way through all of your snowrunner content.
I like the off road scout trailer, but it's a scout trailer...
I think the most off-meta setup I can think of (that would still be usable) is using the C70 Kodiak with a low saddle and the gooseneck semi-trailer. If there is any change of inclination, both up or down, you would get stuck lol
LOL that of the Fleetstar with a saddle.. The Frame Collisions... They drive me nuts
Kodiak is a great low saddle option. It's been a heavy worker in my Hard Mode career so far.
@@wolsel9726 I love the kodiak, but I’m gonna disagree. The long frame and trailer collision going over terrain is similar to that of the fleetstar. If you can tolerate it, that’s awesome though.
@@NProvince low saddles in general seem to catch on the frame of many trucks and hilly/humped terrain should be avoided with them. Something special happens to the Kodiak with all the trailer weight on one axle and the high range gearbox. I haven't done severe offroading in it because the Kodiak is just not the best option there, but its been a workhorse for what it's worth. Also, I'm not one to rush the meta in any game, so I am enjoying working with what Hard Mode gives me.
@@NProvince also, its very possible my opinion changes once I 100% the main game and start the DLC maps 😅
One thing I've found in my own play through is that the hitch trailers are more nimble in tight spaces but less stable. Sometimes that extra bit of flexibility can really make a difference when you're navigating through rocky terrain or twisty paths through trees. You bring up a lot of good points about the saddle trailers though, I should definitely use them more often, especially in terrain with a lot of side-to-side slope. One big drawback that I always run across when I use them though is they don't handle vertical changes very well. I've high-centered too many saddle trailers and just been really frustrated getting them over a big bump in the terrain. Also a drawback that you can't really use your winch on them when they're unattached because they have front anchors instead of wheels really makes rescuing saddle trailers a pain in case something does go wrong.
Very good points! Im glad to see that you have success with hitch trailers and that you are still open to saddles. They both have their own issues to deal with for sure
The only correct method of carrying cargo is freeballing them on a flatbed and stacked on top of each other. Imagine having to return a trailer like a total NERD
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To summarize the video, the most meta OP vehicle in the game is the International Fleetstar. It's true I swear
Looking forward to watching this one. Very little discussion of trailers
I hope I don’t disappoint
Your videos never disappoint. Appreciate the time and thought you put into them.
@@level30paladin70 I appreciate that!
I love hitch trailers because of the challenge to reverse them. The vanilla trailers are alright but I much prefer the GGMS log trailer's.
Just a couple notes, what you keep calling outriggers, are not outriggers.
Outriggers extend the footprint of a vehicle, making it wider and more stable. The crane anchors are outriggers.
Those legs under the front of saddle trailers are called landing legs. Much like how a landing gear on an aircraft is needed to hold them up, it cannot support itself without them. This is the same with the trailers. The landing gear are required to to support the trailers, it cannot stand up without them.
Outriggers extend out away, landing gear land on the ground to hold it up.
That rail that runs under many of the trailers is a common European setup. Those rails are called side underride guards. Their purpose is to prevent a car from going under the trailer in a side collision. They are rigid structures and cannot be moved nor taken off as per safety regulations.
They are not used on US trailers. US trailers that have large fairings under them, almost exclusively box types, only have them for better aerodynamics. They are lightweight and flexible, allowing them to bend under without damage on a sharp crest like at a dock or rail crossing.
Final piece you didn't mention, longer trailer setups can help you cross open terrain more easily because you can winch from the side of the trailer. This is more useful with saddle trailers since they don't have the forward dolly to kink up and jam into the ground. A long trailer allows you to grab and winch onto very far spaced anchor points that would otherwise be unable to reach.
Ya i believe I just misspoke when saying outriggers and meant to say landing legs or landing gear
My favourite is the stepdeck. It can also pack rails and the airplane. I don’t like the dollies as they add a ton of resistance they don’t put weight onto the drive axles and they are a bear to reverse. My favourite trailer is rangers trailer mod as you can get regular bumper pulls. They are far superior in maneuvering, reversing and they add weight to the drive axles. Kodiak pulls them like a boss and that’s an excellent 4 slot logistic solution
Step deck has been growing on me
I find that the biggest difference why u would wanna use a sadle trailer over a hitch is if u have a truck that tends to struggle with keeping the speed. If u have a truck that is stronger then it needs to be for whatever cargo u wanna pull then a hitch trailer isent gonna effect it that mutch becouse the truck can compensate with its extra power. However if u have a truck that is just above the line of having no issues pulling a sadle trailer and u switch over to a hitch now that truck can start to struggle alot when asked to pull the weight and u lose grip at the same time due to no pressure over the rear tyres. So if u have a truck that is more powerful then it needs to be but not OP your not gonna notice mutch difference, but if it is just above the required power and u swap from a sadle to a hitch u gonna notice it for sure. Not saying its gonna be impossable but u gonna notice a difference for sure in how smooth it goes.
I'm actually a fan of the 8 slot semi trailer. I think it's one of the most useful trailers in the game. It takes a bit of planning, but especially when I'm doing the big contracts solo it's such a help to just be able to take the A7 or 605R and carry a huge bulk in one go. I don't like the ramped trailers and I generally do not use them unless I have to. I also prefer the flatbed hitch trailer over the sideboard model, especially for hauling 2 slot items as they're too large to fall between the stakes and the stakes are taller than the sideboards, also the double axles and lower floor make it feel more stable to me.
As for the meta, I've played with people who basically always only run a meta setup, and I will purposely go out of my way to not do so in those cases. Sure sometimes it is the best solution to the problem at hand, but I find that it rarely is. I much prefer saddle trailers because it's that much easier when you have to fidget around with them.
I've quite often had the "discussion" about needing to move 8 slots worth of cargo with a duo buddy, when the usual suggestion is to do two meta setups. But in my experience most people are open to a Kolob with 8 slot trailer and a support truck. Doing this means the support truck is much more mobile so it's more able to assist when needed. The 'second' Kolob with 8 slot and Azov Dolphin with a maintenance frame is an almost unstoppable team. In my experience this gets most things done faster and more easily than running 2 meta rigs.
That’s one way to do it
I used the 50/70 as my main truck and the side board semi trailer for the entire first region. I still use the 50/70 most of the time just because I like it. I like the way it looks and it was the first truck I could afford in the game. Imo nothing beats a side board semi trailer and a crane. It's still my go to set up.
Glad you enjoy the set up with the 5070. Definitely feels quite good with that
Meta is data which describes structures of data and how things work brother. Say the underlying rules governing the physics of the way trailers work in the game. It's a very lazy way of using a word that people don't really understand fully. It's a topic given a lot of time when I took software engineering for data mining algorithms back before it was baked into everything we do to serve us ads using cookies.
Let's say if you wanted to make an excel sheet to describe what your video explains. Meta data would be the information that's not forward facing to the user but governs the way interactions take place.
Blame our education system for people using the word. Meta on its own makes people sound dumb as it's the new catch phrase for implying the way software works under the hood.
It drives me nuts too. But I hope I explained it properly enough so you are informed and realize while not wrong to say it's not correct. Kind of how the word 'optics' has replaced 'perception' when dummies try to sound smart when parroting into that other's have said when let's say a game company does something that taints its public perception. Optics is the study of or the engineering involved in systems that manipulate light. Yong Yeah does it alot because he's become a millionaire by reading news and to keep from plagiarism he uses a thesaurus and alot of false plurals in his language. For example watch a video where he talks about corporate greed and replace his use of 'optics' with consumer perception and depluralize every time he uses a double plural. Like saying ten millions dollars instead of saying ten million dollars.
It's this new form of grammar everyone uses that is wrong but kind of like how most words with "ir" in the front were never considered words like irrespective, if enough dumb asses say it then it's entered the common vernacular and thus Websters is forced to add it to the list of words. Go read up on it. It's horrible. It's ruined an already hard language to learn the nuisances of correctly when bad grammar is considered proper after after enough people use it.
I read alot to keep from being infected by this because the whole anyone with a camera can make a video no matter their grip or command of the English language.
The first time I heard people saying Meta instead of Metadata (of underlying rules or governance pertaining to a bespoke system) it drove me nuts. It doesn't sound right to any educated persons ears but now everyone does it. I make a point not to but since it makes people feel smart to say it I don't complain anymore. I'm a software engineer and self-taught electronic / electrical hobbyist one who happens to be a video game Nerd and a writer / musician with a belief that you never stop learning or striving to be better at what interests you and never believe something just because someone says it keeps me from having these rants.
But now you have a long-winded (purposely so) reason for why people saying that doesn't sound right. Nor is it right and it's why people believe in global warming and that Putin is worse than Hitler. Don't follow the herd I've learned in my 44 years on earth and read alot and don't point out people's blind stupidity because we're in the minority. Technically we're still in the thaw of the second ice age since the last mass extinction. No matter how much we cut carbon emissions the earth is still going to get warmer until it gets colder again.
Winners write history and not all are the good guys. When thr Assyrian empire was defeated their libraries of thousands of years of scientific research were destroyed and it trusted us back to the dark ages. It took over 2 thousand years for the telescope to be rediscovered. Such a small thing but imagine what else was lost.
Snowrunner is awesome but the xbox ultimate version on pc sucks so I'm going to buy the steam version haha. Great video. Thanks.
Thank you for all that info. Really useful insights
Any update on the hitch trailer with the new zikz612? it has the crane at the back, and now bed + crane+ 4slot is much more easy to load. and the new zikz.. even if it's larger and feels slower than 605.. it still a monster that overpoweres most any other trucks and has plenty of fuel and some repair points.
No updates on hitch trailer for the 612. The 612 did get upgrades which I did make a video on showing those buffs, but it can still do crane,sideboard bed, hitch trailer combo
i really liked this.....
it got me thinking about using the step deck semi and the sideboard + ramped trailer.
the only drawback i have is which trucks dont suffer to much when trying to pull the ramped hitch trailer - i couldnt wait to sell it in michigan because of how much drag t had
Glad you enjoyed it! Hopefully this has helped:)
nowadays I just use trailer mods ;-; I've played through snowrunner so many times and I've grown a little tired of the tiny amount of options, when you tried mods on your randomizer I tried them too and idk if I can live without them anymore, especially those log trailers they're so much nicer to maneuver than the weird saddle + hitch style trailer the game has by default
Those trailer mods are addicting!
Another thing to consider is the weight of the cargo itself. It could be a massive truck you're hauling from site to site or a small batch of wood planks.
Weight of cargo is another good consideration, but something I didn’t really hit hard enough is the affects of resistance using each trailer
I don't understand how you can go so fast over trails without taking a ton of damage.
Oh trust me, if I’m using a high range gearbox… I’m taking a lot of damage. With the off-road gearbox definitely alot less
Don't know if you have used them but I love Olsom's 4s and 6s Sideboad and Flatbed semi trailers
I have used them, they are awesome trailers
I love the wide deck semi trailer becsuse its low and wide. Its center of gravity makes it difficult to tip. Many times it has saved my bacon.
That is a good option for maintaining balance as well! Great comment
Nah man 4 wheel wagons with steering front and tongue being hard to back is accurate. Hauled a lot of logs and hay IRL on our farm. My Dad can back one into the barn but he’s a wizard at these things.
Glad you agree! I couldn’t imagine backing one of those in real life. That sounds like some skill!
@@NProvince
It’s easier to back trailers IRL than it is in this game in most ways.
I’ve played the game 55+ hours now and the one other thing that strikes me as being a little off about the physics is that taking a high speed run at mud to carry yourself through with momentum doesn’t seem to work as well as IRL, or at all maybe.
Very interesting topic, thank you for reviewing it!
I would like to say that I think the video would be much more enjoyable to watch if there wasn't the sound of the background gameplay, the engine noise makes it harder to listen to your voice 😅
Good to know. I did that becuase I didnt want it to be too boring. Will remember that moving forward.
Just to add I got a community guidelines warning for my last post and I said nothing offensive.
That sad
I just want a saddle low option on the tatras, there's no good reason for them not too considering the azov 8x8s and the bandit have the option
I'd really like to see that
Personally I prefer Dolly Trailers than Trailers. Dont have to worry much about turning radius and high centering.
If I have to double stack cargo/haul vehicles I use the trailers to save on time.
If I have to haul quick I use dolly trailers.
I've completed the campain to the point where I just use Mods. And the 3 mod combo's I use frequently is the Mercelus Z636 (Truck), OlSom's Trailer Pack and Olesen's Trailers. Trailers have high but soft suspenssion while with the truck you can choose high/low and soft/stiff. You can also lock the trailer pivot on the dolly trailers.
meta meanst beeing efficient. and hauling more shit in less runs is the most efficient thing hence why semi trailers are surely not efficient but just more convenient for some
I think efficiency is more than just being able to haul more cargo (1 cargo more than semi trailers). Maneuvering, balance, and some of the other things mentioned here also add to being efficient if it’s helping you stay on your wheels, and adds traction as well. Pulling more cargo is a benefit for sure
The hitch trailers are evil because they're ok A frames. There's a military trailer pack on the mods that's more like the European wagon and drag configuration.
I've seen that
@@NProvinceI found the gooseneck's secret niche: vehicle transport in Alaska being pulled by the much maligned CLT9000.
Transporting or recovering thirsty trucks like this is great.
I also used it to recover other trailers when "tidying up" the map. If you're careful you can back a flatbed or sideboard semi trailer onto it and tidy up the alignment with crane nudging.
Funny,o actually hate the flatbed trailer and would go out of my way to use the sideboard one instead
I’m not a fan of the flatbed either, but it’s better for collisions on frames
Trailers are useless for me its nothing but dead weight im puling.
What your describing is hitch trailers as dead weight. A saddled trailer with weight inside is weight transfered to the wheel which actually will drive more traction
You a pilot? Crosscheck and unusual attitude...?
Private pilot yes and drone pilot as well. I also was an enlisted aviator in the military
why can't you put the jokey wheel up on the car diesel trailer?
Im not sure I know what you mean?
I've become a bigger and bigger fan of the saddle trailers the more I play for all the reasons you gave. Very very early on I was killing myself towing hitch trailers with empty beds on the truck and wondering why I just sucked. Once the pull/carry weight stuff was explained a lightbulb went off and I never looked back from saddles. So far I've really found the Freightliner m916a1 to be my absolute favorite as long as I don't need the crane, I truly don't understand why so many trucks have super long frames, even the cabovers. Shortest 6x6 truck + saddle trailer = beast at maneuvering, AND you can always winch tow a hitch trailer behind the saddle trailer if need be. I actually was just doing that today with a saddle fuel tanker and the generator behind it.
Im glad you are liking the saddle trailers. Its just really a good way to help tippy trucks keep balance by creating truck/trailer angles.
Great video this is entertaining and I’ve watched a lot of your snowrunner videos, only thing I can say is I don’t believe you would cause any controversy with the snowrunner community lol, pretty sure everybody just likes to take pictures o their trucks in their said enviorments lol it ain’t really that deep, I used to pull four slot ramp trailer but the hitch keeps me from flipping more and is much easier to back up with that’s enough for me. Michigan is the only place I really didn’t use a hitch trailer, the Yukon was a hitch for everything especially that damn gold mine.
Ya perhaps your right, it probably isn’t that deep. Oh man, hitch trailers in Yukon, whew your brave! Respect man! It’s always cool to hear that people are having success in different ways
do i have to re buy the trailers everytime ?
i bought a few and the game shows them with a "check" mark but it makes me pay for them again
is that how the game works or am i missing something?
Ya everytime you have to pay for one. In normal mode you can sell them back for exactly what you bought them for and find trailers on the map to sell for a profit
@@NProvince well that is a fuck up bs game mechanic.🤦🏻♂️
One setup I've ran before is two of the international twin steers with the ramped flatbed trailer and 3 slot beds with the crane all daisychained together with a winch. You are only two slots short of the super heavy trailer on two trucks but you can turn and your landing gear doesn't get caught on railroad tracks. If the superheavy trailer didn't get its landing gear caught on stuff so easily I would use it more but it always does and not even the heavy crane can just pick it up at the front to get it over the obstacle. I do wish there was a "high mobility" saddle trailer with no skirting or low landing gear and maybe a 4 slot sideboard deck. I'd take the lower capacity for something more useful offroad
That is a pretty interesting set up! Thank you for sharing that
First on my trailer hate list is the gooseneck semi-trailer. Pretty much any obstacle on the road gets caught under it. Especially in those areas where there was a rockfall and the road was cleared afterwards. During a mission, two medium-sized rocks got caught between its wheels and it took me a long time to get them out (I was in a spot with rock walls on both sides, so I didn't have much freedom of movement). On another mission I ran past one of those areas where, even after the road had been cleared, the 'road closed' barriers kept appearing; my truck suddenly came to a grinding halt and at first I didn't understand why, because I couldn't see anything around my truck that could block it that way. On closer inspection, one of those effing barriers got snagged between the trailer's little wheels. That was a TRUE pain to get out. Like when you have a small piece of food stuck between two molars and it just doesn't want to come out, LOL!
Again, thank you so much for these videos and your SnowRunner content in general. It has helped me a lot. Cheers! //Rick
One of most frustrating is x conflicts with y with crane & flatbed for a pull behind dolly
If the dolly trailers had locking frame like mods do then be a massive w but saddle is always best, the countless times I overload them
The semi fuel tanker is great but I've never needed that much fuel so I always end up with the smaller fuel trailer or maintenance trailer as you can just pull it around with a winch hookup to almost any vehicle
Ya same here, while i do like the semi tanker, I feel we have way more regular hitch tankers around as well
my meta is a saddle trailer with a hitch on a winch
That works
very informative video, thanks! i'm only 161 hours in and still have much to learn
That’s still a good many hours! You’re understanding of the game probably is pretty darn good at that spot
My personal "meta" setup for what I call a "powered" trailer, is the Voron 4380 and a 5 slot low saddle, winched by whatever. The Voron 4380 has a unique winch point on the axle pumpkin. It's a huge difference because it actually lifts up the truck in stuck situations and force turns the truck. The Voron is very light, with a good motor. It's the best powered trailer in the game
That works too :)
Im so happy to see someone putting out videos on this game without superficial knowledge about things, very interesting to see a proper indepth view on even just the trailers.
And I very much agree that the Semi Trailers have a lot of advantages compared to the hitched ones.
Even if only for the reason that if you need to reverse with a hitched trailer while in a tight spot, you are in quite the pickle, but if you need to reverse with a semi trailer, with a little practice, EASY!
A question, you mention the downsides of trailers max cargo, do you double stack? Cus its very common for me to fill the semi trailer or flatbed of a truck, load it, then put another row ontop, ofc I cannot load those, and it will be more top heavy, but thats just added challenge!
Plus i find with careful driving the Semi-trailers and flatbed trucks are mostly fine with it, the hitched trailer i would deem to unstable for double stacking for the most part.
Also this may be a long shot, Nathan or anyone reading this for that matter, anyone would like to play?
Few of my friends play this game with me and thats rare, I play only really hardmode, got like 400-500 hours into it maybe, love logistics and such. :)
Glad tou have enjoyed these videos :)
Thankyou for breaking the mould of the CraneBedHitchMasterrace.
Just had a disastrous (but ultimately successful) learning experience thinking taking 4x concrete slabs on the 8 slot from Drowned Lands to Zimnegorsk was a great idea to save making multiple trips.
Watching my 6436 getting pulled through some of the thicker stuff by the Tatarin, I noticed that the winched truck also accelerates and reverses with you, it's not just dead weight.
That brought me onto a mega hauling combo that I'll soon be trying out:
5 slot saddle trailer (for weight on wheels cargo) with a loaded Twinsteer winched behind. Making it essentially a powered 4 slot hitch trailer (for less pulled weight?) For 9 slots total but less impact on my prime mover.
Also gave me solid ideas of what could be implemented in the future (playing on console so not sure if there is the mod community already all over it):
Add in the Stiff bar to connect trucks together for a solid physical connection whilst moving together as a winch option if you're super short range when making connection.
Implementing trailers that are designed to be connected so we make B-Double/Triples or genuine Road Trains.
Of course there aren't too many maps where it would be appropriate but don't let reality get in the way of a fun gameplay mechanic/ challenge.
I've tried something similar, and I would recommend having the Twinsteer in front. Because its shape demands more careful navigation of turns, it's likely to get toppled if, for instance, it turns to follow the lead truck's steering and hits a bump on the inside of a bend. If it's in the lead, you can keep it stable, it has massive pulling power to keep the second truck moving, and the saddle trailer can grind around obstacles more easily because it weighs less.
I like to use a truck only on its own because i dont have to take the trailer back to the shop
I understand that, Honestly I just delete them if i dont use them again. You get so much cash from SR in later game it doesnt really matter
@@NProvince ok i am actuali aravied at kanada and im mostly only colected upgrades and trucks and did not so much quest and have only done way unlocking quests like building brigdges and my mate done in the meanwhile sone quests
trailer meta or not, I'm proud I'm not the only one who tought about loading 3-4 loads of logs into the sideboard semi-trailer, for one drive to the log shop! also... if I do have more than 2 cargo to haul, I almost always pick the sideboard semi-trailer, instead of a truck and hitch trailer combo! what tractor do I use for pulling the loads? the civilian ank38 is just a beast! 3 maintanance trailers across the map, and I'm set! if the map has service stations, which taymir has (bless it), I always visit the service stations, for fuel and repairs, and utilize less trailers! Too bad ank's don't have the logging add-ons, cuz boi I'd like to speed-run the logging missions with them... about the fatboi lowboi heavy trailer! dragged that fatass all over michigan and taymir with the bandit (in superscout form) on top, and the bandit didn't even flintch in those mad angles! "trucks can come unpacked on the lowboi" is a weak statement :)) I never had it happen to me! other than sideboard semi-trailers, lowbois, and maintanance hitch trailers, I haven't used any of the others... all the trailers I find on the map, if I can use them for objectives, I will use them, then sell them, soo I can upgrade my trucks (on the very beginners maps of michigan), later on I will just use the crane to tip over the cargo from the trailers, and just sell them :)) the naked flatbed semi-trailer is not the same thing as the sideboard semi-trailer, the cab can't move as freely with it, compared to the sideboard variant, soo I usually flip the cargo off those, and sell them imediatly! you can try it yourself, so you can see what I am talking about, even jacknifing the truck doesn't work with that, spinnign the whole rig on a dime
Well I think moving logs in semis can be a good way and its how I do it currently just to remove the back and forth and save gas. Anyways good points in the comments. Glad you also enjoy using semi trailers
I just can't use the wide flatbed semi trailer. It *always* gets stuck somewhere. It's big, heavy and clumsy. Sometimes I think "let's give it another go it won't go wrong this time"... *nope* ... big hassle getting from A to B again. I would literally use every other option before it
Or maybe that's just me x)
Awesome Video as always. I really like your in-depth-reviews
I agree, the wide bed is hard to use for sure. Especially in places like the Yukon. Thank you for those kind words :)
Me personally I run like the ausies do.
I run my main rig with a 2 slot cargo bed on it. Via bumper pull I pull the 2 slot with the rails because it makes my trucks turn better. Now the part I do is I pull another 2 slot via winch.
I play hard mode so I have a recovery rig for refueling and repair. And a a scout I will run the route to see any hazards and maybe help u flip a truck. (Will be the khan loaf when I get it)
If need be will grab another rig to unflip my truck and use it to reload if possible.
Not all trucks can have a bed crane pull but if not will use a second crane truck to load but usually don't need to worry
A year later, and yea.. 5 slot trailers are definitely better. Yes, I could haul more, but backing up is an absolute pain with the bumper pull. (not sure why I'm back here, buy y not)
I question what younger me was thinking
I like hitched trailers more, mostly no problem to pull the trailer as long as you have load on the truck. But i think the "meta" is to use paystar 5600+ winch a second truck with hitched trailer. Winching a second truck, if one of your trucks tip over you can rescue it with the other truck. Also having 2 trucks (paystar winching a twinsteer) you can recall both, but thats of course not an issue in hardmode since there you dont rely on recalling.
Thank you for your take on what works for you. That set up for sure works, especially very well with the 5600TS which is one of the stronger trucks for sure so it doesn’t have much issue pulling hitches with 250k torque. Its good to hear about what set ups work for people
Trop bien 😉
I never use the small cranes unless a mission specifically calls for a crane. And even then i usually use large crane with ramped flatbed. Cranes are more of a hindrance than a help. I find the cranes themselves cause me to flip more because they add more weight up high and upset the trucks balance. The gooseneck i have only used for the large cargo containers because they love to cause rollovers. Had bad experience with that in island lake. Gooseneck prevents that. I prefer hitch trailers for extra space and you can drop and re attach using winch more easily if the truck is struggling.
All viable options here as well and good reasons for utilizing those setups
I started playing just this summer and I came to this conclusion by trying the trailers on. Flatbed semi is my preference
That’s a good one as well!
I have been goin at it since May. I used to drive a big rig in my 20s,then life happened. On actual roads,thou, but I'm from the high north of Norway, so snowrunner is my nostalgia. Good content,and I just subbed.✌️🌭
That’s awesome you actually used to drive big rigs! This game is definitely right up your alley! Thank you soo much for the sub. Im glad you have been enjoying the content :)
this is VERY helpful info thank you man for making this video. I used to never use low saddle trailers but after some experimentation I find the sideboard semi trailer is the best choice for me for most cargo types. It works great with the Tayga with crane and the new Mastodon with crane as well. Much easier to reverse as well compared to the "pup" or "dog" type hitch trailers which I always have trouble with the front axle going wacky.
Very glad that you enjoyed it and found it useful. I really love using semis so much
i just for the life of me can't stand dollies! try reversing one offroad when you're in a pickle. that alone is enough for me to pick a saddle trailer. even if that means i'll have to make some tight manouvres
Reversing is tough with hitch trailers for sure. I do think saddle trailers do better in tight situations due to jackknifing the trailer and simply pulling forward, kinda like shown in the video. It’s really a trade off between both trailer sets, which I hope this video helped clear things up :)
When I use the scout fuel trailer I just winch it to the back of a truck especially the asov 5319
Yes, that is one way to utilize it with larger trucks
dont you just love watching that fuel trailer that probably weighs a few tons bouncing up and down like a weightless baloon on the ground
That is pretty comical now that you say that
Nice review Nathan. I agree with you re saddle trailers over hitch trailers.... and I even agree with the truck you used in the video. The paystar 5070 with a saddle trailer and crane is my preferred option. It's a great little truck and often overlooked. With a saddle trailer and dual tyres on the rear it really isn't badly tippy. I think the only time a hitch trailer might be better is the Paystar 5600ts with 3 slot bed and crane + 4 slot ramp trailer. The 5600ts is so strong, stable, fast and capable that it can move those 7 slots with ease. Yes it drinks the fuel but with weight over the rear tyres you can save a lot of fuel by switching AWD off. I use the two combos mentioned in hard mode almost exclusively. Thanks for your great work and your content. 👍
Loved your insight on how you use these Peter! The Paystars to me are gems in this game. I think at one point I will alter all fuel tanks in the game to 101gal/380L and just have a good ole time
An easy way to visualize the angled truck-trailer situation is to imagine sitting on a 3 legged barstool. Now try to imagine the legs are in line, it becomes immediately unstable. Even the slightest amount in offsetting the legs improves the stability a lot.
Very nice way of explaining the balance between truck and trailer. Thank you!
My favorite is two trucks with side board semi trailer. 10 slots at one go. Kinda situational but it fun and satisfied done mission at once. Also if one truck tip I have second chance to recover it.
Very good setup!
Yeah! Snowrunner! Hi guys ✌️
Hey! :)
I agree that the meta is the sideboard bed + crane + hitch trailer. So the obvious question is what is the best truck for that combo?
I only have about 400 hours into this game so far so I haven't tried all the trucks yet. I'm using the GMC for this role currently in Yukon and it works OK, but the tank is a little small and it's easily damaged. Maybe the bandit? Or is there something better I haven't tried yet?
So in the video I actually argue that it should not be the Crane/sideboard bed/ hitch trailer for a few reasons.
I think pending length of the trucks frame, the low saddle/ crane/ sideboard bed trailer is the best combo. Now trucks, I think there are a ton of trucks to handle this, but driving carefully really will mitigate being damaged. Something I think that holds back the hitch trailer is the fact that you are pulling weight, rather than carrying weight. This was explained in this video and moreso on my mudrunnin tips video as well. I hope this makes sense
@@NProvince Thanks for the reply (and all the content). For me, I play hard mode, so I don't like to buy trailers to save money. On early regions there are plenty of trailers everywhere but now I'm in Yukon and there aren't laying around. I like crane+sideboard+trailer because it's really versatile. If it's a small delivery I can leave the trailer, but with the crane I have the option to double stack cargo if the route isn't too crazy and carry quite a bit. Right now I'm using the Twinsteer a lot. I never had too much trouble with interference the sideboard and trailer, usually if it is tight there is something you can witch the end of the trailer to and straighten it out that way. On Taymyr I used the Tayga+crane+sideboard trailer a lot, but the yellow crane for US trucks is so much stronger. Not impressed with the blue RU crane.
I was listening to this as I first started Don and I could only use a hinged sideboard trailer and omg it was hell :)
Oh ya, hitch trailers here are tough
I only use high / low saddle trailers vs trailers that you pull with hitch, as the saddle trailers are more stable, do not tip nearly as easily as the hitched trailers.
I agree
I was wondering why fuel and maintenance trailer got same amount of fuel, but maybe the fuel one is a bit lighter and thats the only pros bout it ?
I think they are pretty much the same weight as I know, The Maintenance trailer is like an in between from the regular fuel trailer and the repair trailer.
@@NProvince Ye, but the maintance carry much less repair points than the regular repair trailer
@@OPTCO1 Yessir, thats why I said it was an "in between" both repair trailer and the normal fuel trailer. Its pretty safe to say if you need a fuel trailer but might need a few repar points as well, the Maintenance is a solid pick to do both
When I saw you slinging around that tiny trailer like a ping pong ball I died
Haha Ya the Loadstar is a boss
One big pro for hitch trailers you forgot.
They follow the trucks path very closely making getting through tight spots on corners so much easier.
That point alongside the versatility of just leaving it to do a small 2 slot run with the truck makes me default to them.
I mentioned the leaving them and the truck still being viable for small tasks pertaining to hitch trailers. Yes that is one good thing about trailers, but I feel also that while that would good to mention; a lot of people already know that just due to being truckers. Another point is that the hitch trailers follow your path, but the saddled slightly undercut your tracts
Update due to recent Amur trauma:
My former go-to 4 slot ramped flatbed flipped or got me stuck so much....
5 slot semi sideboard was way less painful.
Let’s gooooo! I was just looking at Reddit about different trailer setups
I hope this one helps!
Definitely learned stuff about a couple trailers I haven’t used, love the content
@@gavinwavy9132 Thank you!
Do you have anything for logging? I'm trying to find a good medium log setup besides just using the cat and the forester.
I would say that both Taygas would be good, the Azov 73210 is solid and a few more trucks with good balance will always be good for medium logs. The Forester and the 745C are most definitely safe bets though
@@NProvince Yes still the process of unlocking the other Tayga. Tried a few of the USA trucks, and they be tippy if using a higher suspension.
Amazing video, thanks for your time and effort.
You are welcome. Very happy you enjoyed it
Nice one Nathan I do agree with you , I'm a irl semi truck driver and in my snowrunner hardmode playthought the royal set with the bleu sideboard semi I do nearly all my deliveries with even taking 2slot cargo that I placed in the middle ro balance out the trailer and yeah it much nicer to manoeuvre compared to the hitch with the dolly
Glad to have your insight as an actual semi truck driver Bryan! Thank you!
@@NProvince your welcome Nathan if I know the place is very bumpy I just send the gmc mh 9500 with the crane and side board and i keep royal on more decent tracks so that the royal can you it job
Do you have a discord channel buddy?
@@Bryan25105 I dont have a discord channel. Thats something Im gonna think about here in the future
@@NProvince that be cool we can share pictures of snowrunner and stuff
Useful info. Thanks