Rich Eisen: What Pac-12 Defections Mean for the Future of College Football | The Rich Eisen Show
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- Опубликовано: 6 авг 2023
- Michigan alum Rich Eisen reacts to the latest shakeup in in the NCAA with the defections of Washington, Oregon, Arizona, Arizona State and Utah from the Pac-12 and what it means for the future of college football.
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What kills me the most, is all these conferences are still “non-profit”
What a joke!
Who the hell told you that?
How dare they make it more interesting!
Greed is king.
@@kamfisher1714more interesting to who exactly? I hate to break it to you but most College Football fans don't like this. Car wrecks are "interesting" see all the rubbernecking during your commute? Let's have bigger wrecks so local news can get more ratings. 🙄
The Pac12 is clearly a not for profit organization.
As an Oregon State fan, this really hurts. We win 10 games this year and seem to be building someting and then this happens.
With you as a wsu fan this fucking sucks
As utah fan this is really sad. I feel for you guys an wazzu. More schools will be left out in the next realignment too
It's not over yet, Oregon St wont be left out
OSU is the biggest loser in realignment
I feel like Big 12 will pick them up though since they have a big west coast presence
@@samelmudir Idk, I think they will end up with a few ACC teams when it breaks down. What it's coming to is 2 levels, and the Big12 is the low level anyway so itll all work out
Northwestern U was founded in 1851 to serve the “Northwest Territory” which was formally the “Territory Northwest of the River Ohio”. It was the part of the US that was farthest north and west, comprising most of the Great Lakes area.
I'm glad somebody commented this so I didn't have to.
yup
That still doesn't make sense. By 1851 there were plenty of states north and west of Evanston IL, like Iowa admitted 1845 or California 1851.
The Mississippi River was the Original West Coast of the United States.
Glad to learn this
"Hey Big 12, could you take all 9 of us..." Hysterical. The Pac-12 was offered a merger with the Big 12 about a year ago. But the Big 12 wasn't good enough for 'em.
Facts.
karma
It was one school making a proposal to the Big 12 without even talking to the other Pac12 schools. It hasn't been disclosed who it was but it was most likely Arizona since they already had one foot in the Big 12 at that point. UW and UO would never have gone along with it unless the Big 10 changed course and didn't admit them. And even that isn't a sure thing. It's debatable whether Stanford and Cal would have gone along with it either.
The most incompetent conference administrator in college football history, and that genius was making 50 million dollars a year?
Still isn't
Thanks Larry for destroying the Conference of Champions. Those involved are also to blame as Larry should have gotten the boot years ago. THANKS!
If you mean Larry Scott he is no longer conference president. But it dies all trickle back to his incompetence
I remember back in 1970 the pac -" 8 " was a proud conference. The rivalries were real and exciting .
The pac 12 killed itself off
Thanks Larry
They pretty much shot themselves in the foot.
Incompetence hurt the Pac 12....greed buried it.
The pac-12 got strangled by the TV network cartels. Really shocking people aren't seeing that. Larry Scott challeneged them with his own network and they froze him out until death
Some day I can tell my grandchildren that there used to be a conference called the Pac-10. It had BOTH Oregon schools in it.
I'm so old I remember the Pac8, before Arizona and ASU joined.
This is the end of college football, you will have to tell them that there was a game called college football before you were born!! It was really awesome until they RUINED IT!!!
Sad for my family with a history within what is/was the PAC-12.
Grandfather played at Washington State College (now WSU), dad played at U of Oregon, I played at WSU and son made the team at Colorado.
When Texas and Oklahoma announced they were defecting to the SEC, the Pac 12 and Big 12 should have merged. You achieve a large number of teams, good mix of good to not so good cometitively and a far more manageable travel schedule.
The PAC 12 stuck their noses up at the idea. Comeuppance is a B.
No because that makes way too much sense
As a USC fan, I was psyched when it seemed Oklahoma and Texas were joining the Pac-12. When that deal fell through, I was hoping my Trojans would go independent. Pac-12 has always been mismanaged, and its end seemed to be inevitable.
Pac 12 should have let Texas and Oklahoma when they had the chance; it would be the Big 12 folding and not them
@@ntnstyCal and Stanford were the only ones who declined it because of academic standards. Look at them now.
Lost in this are the livelihoods of those who are affected; in particular, at Washington State University and Oregon State University. And it’s not just within the Athletic Department, but the universities as a whole and Pullman and Corvallis. Jobs will be lost. Local economies will be damaged. Praying for the best outcome for both.
The school isn’t getting shut down dude. Oregon state and WSU have loyal fan bases and will still sell out home games like they normally do. Just relax man.
Why is everybody acting like we just didn't have 2 years of kids learning online? Colleges & "student athletes" are WAY more prepared for the educational part of this than they were even back when Nebraska joined the big 10 or Boston College joined the ACC.
Go Beavers! I spent some time in Corvallis many years ago - great town, great people, great school.
If a P5 conference doesn't rescue WSU and OSU, they should try to get into the AAC, not the MWC. It would be a better TV and money deal.
@@cousinstuits basically the power 4 now unless the PAC pulls some miracle
They really didn't think this through logistically. To have a "West Coast Swing", you either have to take everyone out of classes for weeks at a time, or fly them six hours back and forth several weekends per semester. Either everyone is burned out and play suffers, or classes just become a non-factor at this point.
Classes, education, and the students have been an afterthought for a while now. It is all about the $$ or the “stability”, as they say.
at these colleges the classes have been non-factors for at least 15 years
They be fine young people
Listen to how players talk. These guys aren't educated. And doesn't matter if they are making money as so many people still see these players as uneducated and only for entertainment.
@@lancesilvis4085 In football (and mens basketball), yes - for quite a few kids. But what about the other sports? Lacrosse, gymnastics, cross country, softball, baseball, track, golf, water polo? Those kids are real student athletes, and this is a terrible deal for them.
Big 24. 4 6-team divisions. (West, Central, North, and East) Add: Notre Dame, Stanford, Cal, Duke, UNC, and Pitt. Those adds all round out their respective divisions so everyone can compete regionally, with winners advancing toward a conference semifinal and championship. SEC can absorb most of the ACC to do the same and we've got us a super league.
What about Miami, they fit the B1G well as they are an AAU school and represent a large television market.
Why can't we just break college football out into its own thing at this point? Is there any benefit for softball or swimming or track and field with these things becoming super conferences with 20+ schools spread across the country? Just have CFB only conferences which work for money and greed, and reasonable conferences for actual student athletics.
The problem is 80% of The athletics run in the red (at a loss), football mainly pays for the athletic dept
Football and March Madness pay for it all. Most all the other sports would go under or become intramural teams only playing teams they could ride a bus to. UO volleyball would play OSU, Linfield, Western Oregon, Southern Oregon, Portland State, and UW.
@@CalebPratt2 How would having CFB only conferences make that worse? The money goes to the athletics department, who cares if Boston College's ACC college football money goes towards their ice hockey program in Hockey East? Or a theoretical regional conference for baseball or track and field or something?
Football pays for all other collegient athletic programs 100 fold
@DavidPeveto once you start running all other sports unrelated to football, the economics will be more glaring. If this happens I expect university's to cut nearly half their athletics. To continue to have competitions, tournaments in these sports all with a loss those extra conferences that hold just these other sports fold.
They can call the western division the "Pac 10" division and the eastern division the "Big Ten" division.
But, there are only 2 teams in the west
Big Ten is getting rid of divisions after 2023.
Great show thank you. Have a great day.
The PAC 12 was doomed from its own incompetence
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Facts! They made a network that nobody could watch lol
Facts. No TV deal, no plans to add anyone. Nothing.
Larry. Scott.
PAC-12, the conference that has the most national championships across the breadth of college sports. Amazing what Larry Scott’s ego, and myopic-hairball-conference-owned TV channel, was allowed to destroy by the respective university presidents.
What a disgrace the demise of the PAC-12 is… Sickening.
At the least, we may get the satisfaction of witnessing a year in and year out UCLA cellar dweller.... lets go for 1-11 in 2024 UCLA!
The simple fact is that it is the Big Ten-West Coast link that is the most horrific for travel. The other leagues are more or less coherent. The Big 12 has West Virginia and UCF as outliers but they can stay East. The Big Ten Pac-12 link just doesn't make any geographical sense. End of story. Brutal brutal brutal for student-athletes.
thanks chris about corvallis
For the first 14 years that Woody Hayes was coach (1951-1964) at Ohio State. The Buckeyes didn't play the Golden Gophers of Minnesota due to the cost of travel. AND they were both within the same conference.
They have killed every TRADITIONAL RIVALERY in the game, and along with it the game itself!!!
Love the Network movie reference. One of my favorites and definitely ahead of its time. Same as Rollerball (1975).
Love ya, Rich. You make my day lol
90 inch tv's and whatever game you want to stream. Beautiful.
MORE Network references, please. Top marks, Rich. 🎯
Eventually the conferences are gonna be so big that we end up with the schedules looking like their previous conferences.
I'm going to love to see teams like UCLA be 1-11 year in and year out!
Love the “Network” reference. “You have meddled with the primal forces of nature!”
It was hard for me for me to get used to having Penn State in the Big11. But West Coast teams in the big ten???
I'm going to keep an eye out for downsizing stuff around Pullman while I'm in school this fall. A lot of money being diverted away from pullman and corvallis after this.
DING DING DING!!!! B1G now has a 4th Saturday time slot!!!
The Super League comparison is so perfect. The difference is European fans are willing to protest to protect their game while American fans don't.
It’s different. Europe isn’t the same. There’s no promotion and relegation to content with.
You mean Europeans are too stubborn and closed minded to see the benefits. Having a super league in Europe of 30 teams across multiple countries may make soccer interesting.
I'm glad to finally hear someone famous talking about playing the Big Ten championship in the Rose Bowl. From the moment USC/UCLA left the Pac I've been saying that the whole Pac should join the BT and that it should have West (Pac) vs East (BT) divisions with the Rose Bowl as its title game.
I think a point not to overlook is the direct to consumer model for sports. Rich is right but I think once this happens a professional sports bubble will start to collapse. Because the only reason leagues are getting the tv dollars they are is because traditional cable included the hidden sports costs but if it becomes a choice the leagues are going to lose some money especially if sports money can be divided by leagues.
5:33 Uh, no. ND is not “always in the championship playoff mix”. They have been a few times, yeah, but careful there with “always” sidekick.
they're usually in a playoff mix but not championship
Can you imagine the Big 10 basketball tournament? Indiana, UCLA, Michigan State, Purdue, Oregon, Maryland.
Wow!!
Still not even close to being as cutthroat as the B12...... UH, Baylor, Kansas, Arizona, Kansas State, Cincinatti, Iowa State, TCU
Yeah and as soon, or if, the ACC breaks up, the Big 12 will add Duke, UNC, Miami, and Virginia.
And hopefully the Big 12 will also have UCONN 🤞
They should just spin out college football and possibly basketball into their own conferences while the other sports play in their original conferences. For instance U of Washington football plays in big 10 while UW golf continues to play in pac 12. The top college football and basketball players may be players first and students second but the vast majority of athletes in the other sports have it the other way around.
Yes, in all the coverage of this realignment, they've completely ignored the other sports, you know, those sports where the athletes are actually students, many of them women, and not auditioning for the NFL or NBA. It's apparently all about the money nowadays, other values be dammed.
@@telephilia Yeah, it takes money to run those things, money provided by football and basketball.
What a shame. That's all Pac -12 management fault
In terms of traveling to and from away games Nebraska has an advantage being right in the middle. For example Rutgers having to go to LA or USC going to Piscataway is a long trip
These schools will be chartering a plane similar to the pros.
@therealdarrell282 so you don't think longer travel will make a big difference?
@@therealdarrell282A charter for the soccer team, the golf team, the track and field team, the tennis team, the lacrosse team, the baseball team, the softball team, etc, etc? I don't think so.
@@sethhuntley8359 Nope because football is the money maker and supports the other programs. Charter flights for the football team and everybody else can fly commercial. This is an arms race. Recruits want to go play at USC, Michigan, Tuscaloosa and Athens. People are going to show up to the games no matter what time it starts and where it is. Ticket prices, parking and concessions are going to quadruple when USC plays Ohio State or Michigan home and away.
Not really because most every game except Iowa is a long ways
This realignment is to the benefit of one sport and a very few at the expense of many. What could possibly go wrong?
Those other sports are all paid for because of two sports.
@@BobRiggsTrucking how do you know? Can you be sure about how and where the dollars flow across all these institutions?
@@unlimitedpower978 Yes, the information is available. College athletic programs are paid for by football and mens basketball at most of these schools.
i did love the saints, falcons, panthers in the old NFC west and the cowboys and cardinals in the NFC east. good ol' days
Especially when the Rams were in St. Louis lol.
There will be pair-based scheduling for non-revenue sports. For instance, when Indiana is visiting Oregon, Purdue will be at Washington, then they switch. Similarly, UCLA will be at Michigan and USC at MSU.
why would they do that?
Similar to the Pac12 basketball model.
Did Chris Brockman just say "behoovin"??
It's just so contemptuous of universities as places of learning. I taught in higher education for years, including Pitt and Texas Tech. I liked many of the football players a lot. But they had so little time or energy for academic classes. And so many of them will neither play in the NFL or graduate. It's so damned unethical.
The mood in Corvallis is indeed grim just when we got good at sports people care about again too....
News flash: taking a bus from USC to Cal will take longer than a cross country flight to Rutgers.
HAHAH First no one takes a bus, secondly WRONG!
>6hr drive vs.
@@MrYatesj1 i lived in LA. It can take 90 minutes just to go from downtown to Santa Clarita. According to google at 3pm (right now) it will take over 1 hour. They estimate a 6.5 hour car ride to Berkeley. Seeing how they will be in a bus, it will take over 7 hours.
The hour changes and fatigue from flying.
3 time zone changes might make a difference
5:23
Behooven hahaha
I believe the word he was searching for was beholden.
Think how hard it will be for the west coast teams…. Multiple eastern school trips
The SEC is probably going to keep regional, even if they expand again--probably will be ACC schools like FSU or UNC. All the old rivalries are there. The new one coming in is fantastic in OU and Texas. But bringing both in renews other good ones. Texas-A&M, Texas-Arky, OU-Mizzou, ect. Both both schools are close to the actual conference to start up new ones where fans can actually make it to most games, not too far away. Texas-Bama, LSU-OU.
My Dish has BIG network. My neighborhood full of SC , ruin & Michigan alums.
Things don't stay the same never have. That's life
@@benjaminubben4436 cute
Hear that Mr Anderson?
That is the sound of inevitability.
Sounds like money to me.
@@benjaminubben4436Oh my future NFL players traveling 😱😱
this is forced change for reprehensible idea of most profit above all else.
@@mbdg6810 most of it usually is forced
Gonna end eventually with just two conferences in a professional style league. Maybe lower tier teams being able to hop in and out if they are really good like they do in soccer in the UK. Big Ten (NFC) and Sec (AFC)
Well, this would take something that US fans doesn't seem to like it really much: punishing bad teams
The PAC 12 has more total team championships than any other division.
I like it, The Big X really makes a statement! And out West, the PAC π, since there's only 3.14 teams left, you can't count the Beavers as a Full team.
Clown take and something I would expect from a casual.
Three Rose Bowl appearances in 120 years speaks for itself.
Funny thing is right now the Beavers are the best team of the remaining 4 😂
I hope the Beavers and Wazoo find a good home in the Mtn West, l think Both schools will prosper there.
Hope OSU wins the PAC12 in its last season.
So what happens to the Rose Bowl's PAC 4 / Big 18 tie-in??
That was over as of last year. PSU vs Utah was the last ever B1G vs PAC Rose Bowl.
The Rose bowl is now being tied into the playoffs.
Past 5 years only 4 Universities have made the Baseball College World Series, Basketball Elite 8 and had a 10 Win Football season:
Oregon State
Texas
Michigan
Auburn
stanford and notre dame should be at the top of the 'Big Tens' list, both would be great additions at this point
The Big Ten will become a superpower conference
Falcons in the NFC West. I remember that.
ND will continue to stay independent until other schools from major conferences stop scheduling with them.
Yesss I've been saying this. They will be independent until the sec and big10 abolish the NCAA and won't let notre dame play their teams or aloud in their bowl games/playoff.
I agree but I have always believed they belonged in the B1G
Going to 10 conference games annually will likely have that no scheduling effect take hold rather quickly. The problem then becomes the Irish smoking cupcakes and thinking that they deserve a CFP invite. Their day of reckoning is coming.
I'm 38 and I don't remember when the Big Ten had ten teams in it. Pre-1990
I love the Mountain West Conference, think it would be great if they absorbed the remaining Pac-12 teams.
These super conferences will be the death of college football and athletics in general.
Rich went to Michigan and he’s never heard of the Northwest Territory? What are they teaching in Ann Arbor? 18-20 team conferences are unmanageable and stupid. Might as well just get rid of every conference, at this point. It really sucks for all the teams that aren’t basketball or football.
Florida St and Miami need to join the SEC.
They’re joining the Big 10
@@onlinepole that wouldnt make much sense. why have across country flights when you could be in the best conference thats right at your doorstep.
Rich, tell your kids that there used to be term called "Traditional Local Rivalry"
Rich, you can really blow your kid’s mind with the concept of “a level playing field” being one of the virtues of “amateur athletics”.
I miss the Big Eight. I guess the end of the Southwest Conference in 1996 is what started this all. I never really rooted for any Pac-12 schools, but what happened to that conference is just sad.
PSU to the B1G in 1993 is arguably the start.
Arkansas from the Southwest to the SEC in 1992.
@@GrizrazRexno because PSU wasn’t in a conference before they moved
Stanford and Cal are going to join the ACC, and Wash St and Ore St are going to join the MWC.... and that will be it! It's all over!
@@josephinetracy1485 no so fast….bad deal for the California schools…better to add and reform new version of PAC 12
Never heard the non-revenue sports athletes complaining about the scholarships, lavish facilities, great equipment, and wonderful training - all funded by football and March Madness. Well, this is the result to chase those dollars that benefits the whole department.
It still makes it crappy for them lol. Football benefits from not having to play everybody Home/Away every year. Even with those benefits, it’s okay to say “man that really sucks for them.” Plus, it’s going to hurt basketball players because they too will bear the brunt of that travel.
Smarting here: slap in the face to Wazzu. Ore State, Stanford and Cal...
Rich Eisen = Big X Conf vs Col Cowherd = Pac Conf.
Bowl season will become very interesting when the 13th overall team from the Big Ten North by Northwest division plays host to the SEC 9th place team from the Texas enclave in the Here is some cash for you and you Black Friday Bowl brought to you by the Christmas Tree/ Bed and Bath consortium
Texas does have their own channel
Could Oregon State, Washington State, California & Stanford get 3 more California schools and a Las Vegas school and make a new PAC 8.
Yeah, UNLV, Nevada, Hawaii, Cal, Stanford, Wazzu, Ore St, Boise St, New Mexico, Colorado St, SDSU, and Fresno St
boom PAC-12 ( albeit a beyond weaker one)
@@loC2olthey need to pull SMU and possibly Rice from Texas instead of Fresno and New Mexico to have a real conference. Possibly Gonzaga as a hoops only member. Big problem is SDSU huge buyout for the next two seasons
Do you think people will pay to go watch Cal play UNLV in football? Or Wash. State play San Jose State? LOL
@@russcudmore9993 they already pay each year to see their teams play non power five conference teams. Only slightly different with the new conference model
Sad day for college sports.
Embrace the change or fight it.
The people making the money don't care if you like it or not.
If Stanford/Cal has a chance to go to the big 10 I would be happy. I got a feeling they we will go independent like Notre Dame with there NBC contract. I wouldn't mind if Apple TV mad a deal only with Stanford/CAL it would make sense.
The minute the NCAA and the universities knew they couldn't hold back NIL anymore... That was the day that conferences and rivalries, as we knew them, died. It's a business for everyone involved now. The playoffs matter over everything and that's just the way it is. I'm a big supporter of NIL, but I also assumed that the adults involved that have been making millions because of the kids would do something drastic after it went through. Cause and Effect. And, here we are now. Everyone buckle in and let's see what happens. Could be cool, could be terrible; we won't know until a few years from now.
No way Brockman thinks 10 million people would pay to watch Notre Dame Football.
Also, see “The Longhorn Network” and how that turned out.
Kurt Vonnegut predicted that college athletes would eventually have to become professional players in "Player Piano".
Pac 12 has the most NCAA championships of any conference: In all sports. Quite sad.
Conference of Champions got murdered by a truck stop conference lmfao
Big 10 to go to two divisions of 10. I have no real information but it makes sense at this point.
The pods model needs more exploration, explanation and examination. Divisions, derided just a year ago as making things unworkable, are starting to make sense again in the budding superconference era.
Cal and Stanford are much more likely to go to the big 10 than Clemson and Florida State. Clemson and Florida State will probably go to the SEC. It makes way more sense for them.
they should just call it the big conference
OSU and WSU are decent programs idk why they would be left out. WSU just beat Wisconsin last year!
WSU isn't a national brand like Oregon and Washington. The Beavers and Cougars are the little brother schools.
@@rylian21you mean Beavers and Cougars..
@@luthravin4774 Yup. I did. Thanks.
Those small programs like swimming, track etc, that do NOT have the budgets to travel across country that much
Who cares lmao
PAC should bring in San Diego St, UNLV, Boise.
The reason it's called Northwestern is because it was established in 1851 and received its charter. At that time Illinois was the Northwest of the USA!
Stanford and Cal would completely solidify the B2G as the second best academic conference in the U.S.
Both those schools should join the Ivy League.
Agree, but it will not happen. The Ivy only plays against itself; no post-season participation or honors. The league title and the academic prestige of the schools overall are sufficient enough to lure their players. It is a Northeast/New England thing that the rest of the country is largely ignorant/unaware of, and will likely stay that way. Can anyone outside of the league footprint name a star player from the Ivy off of the top of their head?
@@GrizrazRexJuuuuuuuuuuuuuuz
People ask like the travel is such a big deal.
Notre Dame gets much less from NBC than they would from the Big 10. Currently Notre Dame gets 30 million (I think it's even a bit under that) from NBC a year, while full share (not sure if there are any half share schools currently like Oregon and Washington will start out as) Big Ten schools are getting 50 million a year, and starting next year it will be about 70 million. Notre Dame takes a pay cut to stay independent. Even half share schools would be getting more than Notre Dame. Oregon and Washington at half a share will still be making more than full share Big 12 schools. The Big Ten is the most Profitable conference.
They also don't seem to understand the ACC's grant of rights, as they were acting like Florida State and Clemson could just easily bail from that conference.
I doubt Rich's kids remember the Big10 having 10 teams anyway. Penn State joined the Big10 in 1990, making it 11 teams 33 years ago. Nebraska made it 12 teams in 2011, and 2014 added Maryland and Rutgers. So they have been at 14 teams for 9 years. Adding the 4 former PAC-12 teams isn't the straw for not being able count.
Do NOT play the B1G title game in the Rose Bowl - its another home game for the LA schools and its a long road trip for the rest of the B1G schools. Play it in Indy.
St Louis has a dome going unused, and is in the middle of the country. Indy was a de facto home game for an over-matched Purdue in the title game last December, but Michigan also travels very well. STL would be a true neutral site that makes geographical sense. Plus, the town is without a team to call its' own. The B1G title game eases some of that pain, and gives STL a chance to shine for a day.
LOVED how he LITERALLY named all UCLA players😭😭😭😭🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
The way I see this playing out is that the ACC is the next conference to meet its demise in the very near future. The PAC-12 is finished and is only one year away from dissolving forever. I believe that Florida State, Clemson, Miami and Georgia Tech will leave the ACC and join the SEC after the 2023 season. I also think that North Carolina, North Carolina State, Virginia, Virginia Tech and Louisville will join the Big 12 after the 2023 season. The ACC will dissolve and now Notre Dame (I am a fan of Notre Dame) will now have no choice but to join a conference after their NBC Contract ends after 2025. That will be an interesting decision because Notre Dame can join any conference they want and their Independence will end.
I guess this means that the Rose Bowl could be the championship game with a PAC 10 and a Big Ten team.
Yeah, this is been in the works for quite a while now. USC and UCLA made it real. I hate this.
And to think that the Pac could've possibly had Texas and Oklahoma instead of the SEC... smh. I'm a Husky fan and this is a sad, sad day. My heart goes out to Wazzu and Oregon St. They produce better baseball, basketball and football teams than several others in the Big Ten but aren't invited because they're not in a big tv market. It's a shame.
Barry Bonds, Phil Mickelson, Jennie Finch, Gronk... You forgot a lot.
Wiscosin wants to play Michigan, not West Coast Teams
Wisconsin will play whoever they are paid to play.
Don't blame us. It wasn't our stupid idea to poach UCLA and USC. That started this whole mess.😂🤣
You could be an old Big East Football school.
Rich we’re going to end up with a Big North (formerly the Big 10, Big 8, and Pac 10) and a Big South (formerly the SEC, ACC, SWC). Give it 10 years.