Did Jaguars QB Trevor Lawrence Actually Deserve His Massive Payday??? | The Rich Eisen Show
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- Опубликовано: 21 сен 2024
- Rich Eisen guest host Jim Jackson and the guys debate of Trevor Lawrence was worthy of the huge $275M contract he got from the Jacksonville Jaguars.
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I wish I could perform well below expectations at my job and then receive a 1000% raise
If you mean below expectation is better than anyone in the world except 31 other guys. Got it. He did underperform last year either. Was doing fantastic till he got hurt.
I think it's fuk'd up that they are paying QBs based on the current/projected market value instead of their performance BUT switchup and get downright disrespectful when it comes to RBs 😒.
A lot more rbs in the league
RBs are waaaaaayyyy easier to replace. It’s literally supply and demand.
@DanielRidore obviously
@DanielRidore I mean there are a lot more good ones
It’s a lot easier to find a viable RB in the draft than a franchise QB. RBs just don’t last that long and the offenses don’t rely on them like they once did.
It's not like franchise quarterbacks have filled the Jaguars organization for decades 🤷♂️
He’s no franchise qb 😂
@@upactive1365 he's the closest they have right now
@@windy.way0he's closer to Minshew than he is to a franchise QB statswise. He has journeyman numbers
@@windy.way0lol... you don't pay a guy that much simply because "he's better than the other terrible qbs we've had" 😂
@AdamB34 when the alternates in free agency aren't better and next year's draft class is below average, what do youtube GN's think they should do? 🤔
Don't forget that Jacksonville was on a roll until key players, including Lawrence and his top receiver - Kirk, got hurt. By your logic, a fantastic QB on a shitty team should never get paid.
Don’t forget that he’s not gonna share the money with his team so when players start going down are you good enough to overcome. Trevor isn’t. Josh Allen was missing half his starting offense and defense and still took them the afc championship. Trevor is trash
By your logic a qb that hasn’t proven anything because “he’s on a shitty team” should be a top paid qb?
@@chriscotta4438and loss so it don’t matter 😂
He's setting new turnover records for QBs with only three years in the league.
Literally had injuries like every single team
Going to the Super Bowl is not a measure of good someone is lol
THANK YOU. That was such a dumb thing to say lol
I hardly think a single playoff win earns that contract. Trevor has not made his teammates better!!! He is extremely overrated!!!
If someone is not good enough to go to the Superbowl, then why pay them more than Tom Bradys first 5 contracts combined, huh?
Getting to the Super Bowl is every player dream. The odds of reaching it are minimal. To say going to the superbowl isn’t a measure of how good someone is dumb
I guess Jimmy G is great then. It’s a team game
Joe Burrow can’t stay on the field
I agree. Burrow had 1 good year and is always hurt and everyone considers him a top qb
@@chriscotta4438 his defense carried him to the SB but everyone loves to give him all the credit like he was this unstoppable force who willed his team. Smh
@@hovs818burrow threw for 40 touchdowns stop
@@hovs818exactly, and then they overpaid Burrow which killed the defense. He has never played a full season and training camp in 5 seasons. And had 2 WR1’s his whole career that also carried him
@@chriscotta4438Bad take. Burrow had two great seasons. 2023-24 was going to be no different. He had bad oline and was play or two away from winning the SB.
What happens when you force him to play 2 years franchise tag him, and he doesn’t want to sign with you? He’s a human, maybe he doesn’t want to deal with the bullshit. It’s an easy signing, he’s the best qb we’ve had in 15+ years
"He's better than the other TERRIBLE qbs were so pay him $1 billion per game if that's what he wants!" 😂😂😂😂
I disagree that this deal could be a bargain in a couple years. Everyone is constantly restructuring now. If he greatly improves in the next 2 years he’ll be negotiating again, and they’ll adjust his contract and pay him more
Only delusional Lawrence/Jags fans are saying this. If any other team paid the 15th or 16th best qb in the league top 3 qb money they'd be laughing at them but since it's "their team/guy" they pretend it's a "bargain" 😂😂
And Gardner was the same age Trevor is now as a rookie..
After seeing how prices jump on competent QBs, it makes sense to lock the guy up if you want him for 3 more years. You dont wanna get Dak'd.
so pay 160 million for a potentially mediocre QB
or pay 200 million for a proven star QB
Who's the star?@@AsifKhan-hf9zy
Dak overrated too
Dak is SIGNIFICANTLY BETTER than Lawrence though so what's your point? Dak literally just almost won mvp last year while Trevor Lawrence wasn't even a top 15 qb. You seem terribly confused
The NFL is a microcosm of the US, and the QBs are the CEOs of their teams.
I disagree. NFL QBs have the greatest impact on the chance of an organization winning a championship, relative to other positions. They actually are important.
its late stage capitalism
There is similarity there. Companies will vastly overpay their CEO just to avoid the uncertainty creates by having to get a new CEO. That’s not good for the stock.
NFL teams would rather overpay the QB they already have than have to find a new one in the draft.
@@RJM1693 It's ok, I didn't expect most people to get it.
surely all the NFL QBs are not on AIPAC payroll?
Cold take here on Lawrence
He hasn't been that good.
weird how upset people are getting at money being spent that's not even theirs 🤣
people are upset because now the Jags are fucked financially and they paid a mediocre QB as if he was Pat Daddy. completely understandable and not weird.
@@asacloutier7530 if its not your team why would you care if they are "fcked financially" ?? which they aren't lol
@@brendonn1997That's like saying "it's weird that people care about a team winning that they don't even play for".... it's called being a fan. You talk about all aspects of the team including the financial aspect of the team. Nobody is upset at anyone for getting paid they are "upset" that this contract hurts the team they like lol.
@@AdamB34 seems like most the people who are upset aren't jags fans though? lol
@@brendonn1997 then you just simply don't know what "upset" means because anyone outside of Jacksonvile isn't upset that a team they don't like just overpaid tremendously for a barely average qb lol. Why would anyone be upset about that? You are just making stuff up at this point
This is going to hurt some feelings, but why is Herbert even in this conversation?
Exactly
Because you all love hating on him but HIS stats are up there with the best of them. His defense on the other hand has been BOTTOM 3 SINCE HE CAME INTO THE LEAGUE.
he is only 26 and has had 4 different OCs and 3 different HCs. he threw for most passing TDs of any rookie qb in nfl history, then followed that up with a 5000 yard season. he has been on a team with a bottom 5 defense and bottom 5 rush attack since coming into the league
Because he’s in the top five highest paid quarterbacks? What kind of question is that?
So far he's the newest rendition of Stafford with the lions.
What this shows is that the Jaguars have confidence that Trevor Lawrence will perform well this year and that his market value will increase after this season.
LOL
He's not the generational talent he was touted as coming out of Clemson. He just happens to be the best QB in a QB class of bums who got traded this year for 2nd and 3rd day picks to sit and hold a clipboard. Maybe Zach Wilson will turn things around but I doubt it and one of the QB bums is Lawrence's backup.
How can they have confidence based on what ?
@@AlexRoth-vd1js Perhaps what they saw of him at training camp. Otherwise if he was bad, why pay him? The Jags would rather pay Trevor now than wait and risk his value going up over time.
@@LdyVder Never said he was. I was speaking purely mathematically/economically. The Jags would rather give Trevor the bag now than risk the bag getting bigger next year.
This is insane. *Trevor Lawrence has the same stats as Gardner Minshew. Yet Gardner Minshew only gets a two year 2 x 25Million contract.* Make it make sense.
*Trevor Lawrence Gardner Minshew*
*Games Played* 50 49
*Completions* 63.5% 62.9%
*Passing yards* 11,550 10,112
*Yards per attempt* 6.7 7.1
*Touchdowns* 58 59
*Interceptions* 39 24
*Sacks* 96 103
*Passer Rating* 85.0 90.2
*Contract* 5 years x $55M 2 years x $25M
In 5 years, the Jags owner will have made a couple billion dollars from yearly revenue, and his franchise will be worth a couple billion more whether or not Lawrence is their QB. He doesn't need to be a good QB, he just has to not completely suck. He's just playing the part in the movie because someone has to. All of this is entertainment after all.
It's pretty easy right now, but we won't talk about networks
Your take, sir, is spot on. Entertainment means stars playing a role in a show millions of people gladly pay to watch. QBs being the main stars of the football comedy, they get the big check, and the producer (the franchise) makes a fortune. Sound business.
@@jeanfourcadeliterally nothing you said is accurate
You realize revenue is very different from profit right? The Jags are currently the 28th most valuable franchise in the nfl and last year they had an operating income (profit) of $110 million with $517 million in revenue (money before expenses). A company's value is not based on revenue, it's based on operating income. Just because a company has revenue of $1 billion it doesn't mean it's worth $1 billion. They could have $1 billion in revenue in a year but still lose $100 million in that year.
It's not a case of whether it's deserved or not. You either pay your QB or your team becomes the Carolina Panthers if your owner and GM aren't careful.
The jags can win 8 games with or without Trevor
Or the 49ers if your strength can come from somewhere else. QBs aren’t the only way to win
🤣🤣🤣🤣... what? You think the only options are to pay a barely average qb elite qb money or be the worst team in the nfl? That's literally what you think? Yikes 🤣🤣🤣
The fact that people only look at stats when they judge Qbs is astonishing to me. Look at all of the successful Qbs in the NFL and start taking a closer look at their supporting casts. Who does Joe Burrow have to throw to? Who does CJ Stroud with his amazing (all the analysts say) rookie season. Josh Allen will come down to earth this year because all of his elite guys are gone and people will be scratching their heads unless he has Keon Coleman break out and be a star WR. Pat Mahomes might be an exception to the rule because that dude could probably get it done with a bunch of Joes off the street. Brock Purdy? Think he has some nice pass catchers in SFran? Trevor Lawrence has been working with DJ Chark, Laviska Shenault, Marvin Jones Jr. . etc etc. Which one of those guys is a number 1 or 2 on their next team? Hell, those guys can't even get on the field for majority snap counts as a #3...
You forgot to mention that Lawrence also had Calvin Ridley, Christian Kirk, Travis Etienne, Evan Engram and Zay Jones. Also...
You forgot to mention CJ Stroud just had a historically great rookie season with a rookie head coach, a rookie offensive coordinator with zero play calling experience, a rookie #2 wr who missed 7 games, a #1 wr who never even had 500 yards before, a bad oline and terrible running backs. Also...
You forgot to mention Jordan Love just had an mvp level first year starting despite having the youngest and least experienced roster in the entire nfl and losing his #1 wr (8 games), #1 tight end (6 games), starting left tackle (16 games) and #1 running back (6 games) for large chunks of the season. Also...
You forgot to mention that Josh Allen went 10-6 with 29 total tds and 9 ints in his 2nd season with John Brown and Cole Beasley as his top 2 wrs BEFORE he ever had Stefon Diggs. Also...
You forgot to mention that Stefon Diggs was BARELY a 1,000 yard wr (2 seasons with 1k yards) in the 5 years prior to playing with Josh Allen and made zero pro bowls and zero All-Pro teams before playing with Josh Allen.
I guess if you just ignore ALL of this and just simply say "stats don't matter" then you really made a valid point 🤷♂️🤣🤣🤣.... but why would you do that?
@@AdamB34 Zay Jones was a number 3 that the Raiders let go...Kirk was a 3 that the Cards let go...Engram had a disappointment of a career before Jax, but your point is? Calvin Ridley dropped multiple TDs and was constantly out of position but I'm sure he will be a superstar in Tennessee. And the Stephon Diggs thing, really? Diggs was just a trash reciever before he went to Buffalo...is that what you're saying? Also Kirk was hurt last year, Zay played like 3 games all year. That's why Engram had 114 receptions. Perception is reality, right? Oh yeah, that year that Josh Allen had only Cole and John Brown...HE SUCKED.
@@jwynter5857 1) In Stefon Diggs' first 40 nfl games he had 2,472 receiving yards, Christian Kirk had 1,990. That's a difference of about 10 yards per game lol. I also NEVER said Diggs was trash before he got to Buffalo, I CORRECTLY said he barely cracked 1,000 yards and never made a pro bowl or All-Pro team before he played in Buffalo. You're upset at FACTS. Fyi... in his last season in Arizona Kirk had 982 yards and 5 tds. In his last seasons in Minnesota, Diggs had 1,130 yards and 6 tds. You can stop pretending they were oceans apart in terms of production early in their careers.
2) Evan Engram was a pro bowler for the Giants BEFORE he played in Jacksonville.
3) Calvin Ridley had 6 drops and a drop% of 4.4% last year. Diggs had 8 drops and a drop% of 5% last year 🤷♂️🤷♂️
4) Zay Jones played in 9 games last year, not 3.
5) Again, the year Allen had Beasley and Brown he had 29 total tds, 9 ints, went 10-6 and made the playoffs. If you think that qualifies as a bad season then what do you call Lawrence's season last year where he had 25 total tds, 14 ints, went 8-8 and missed the playoffs??? I'm sure you have no less than 7 excuses why Lawrence was better last year than Allen was in 2019 despite the stats and team record saying otherwise.
Oh and lastly, you conveniently neglected to even acknowledge the facts I stated about Cj Stroud and Jordan Love and you completely ignored Travis Etienne altogether 🤣🤣🤣. You're embarrassing yourself here
@@AdamB34 What makes you think I'm upset, bro? I'm not the one that did all that research over a statement....
@@jwynter5857 now you're just deflecting and projecting because you don't have a coherent rebuttal
Zero justification for being the highest paid QB. There's no defending this
Yes, there is. Jags believe he is their QB. Tua and Jordan Love will also sign long term deals this offseason which will exceed this.
@@jagpotter-rz6rzthat’s is absolutely no way t jags can believe he’s Their guy they have no evidence
@@jagpotter-rz6rz Cool, but when I find out that a Mustang is my car, I don't go ahead and pay Rolls Royce money for it. The "market" is not every contract being bigger than the last regardless of talent or achievement
Yes there is. If they don't pay he walks. Now who you gonna have at starting QB? That's what I thought. Nobody is available that is even close to him.
This is insane. *Trevor Lawrence has the same stats as Gardner Minshew. Yet Gardner Minshew only gets a two year 2 x 25Million contract.* Make it make sense.
*Trevor Lawrence Gardner Minshew*
*Games Played* 50 49
*Completions* 63.5% 62.9%
*Passing yards* 11,550 10,112
*Yards per attempt* 6.7 7.1
*Touchdowns* 58 59
*Interceptions* 39 24
*Sacks* 96 103
*Passer Rating* 85.0 90.2
*Contract* 5 years x $55M 2 years x $25M
They have him for at least two more years. The franchise tag would sour the relationship like Washington with Cousins but the Jags can easily wait one more year before deciding on an extension. Yes, the price will be higher next year but I argue that if Lawrence has not stepped it up next year, he ain't worth hanging on to and having a QB like that locked in for five years and eating up cap space is worse than paying a higher salary a year later. I say with QBs you should have a good assessment of a guy after three years and you've got the fourth if it's iffy. But didn't the Daniel Jones contract teach anyone anything? Teams are so scared of having no quarterback that they'll commit to years of mediocrity. Lawrence went number 1 overall. He should be an outright star at this point but he isn't. He's alright but I think they extended him based on the pre-draft hype of who he was supposed to be. Well if he's going to turn into that guy then I figure it will be this year or never so wait a year for the extension.
And here is the conversation you would have to have with the owner if you play that game. "If you do it your way, his salary cap hit is actually higher all those years than it is now since we were extending him with two extra years to play with on current contract. Which players are you cutting to get that cap back? Which undrafted free agent you got to replace the guy you cut? What's your confidence level that he is an adequate replacement? Gonna bet your job on it? Actually, if you have the players ready to cut to get that cap room back, what the hell are they doing on my roster to begin with? You are paying MY money to people you don't think benefit the team? How long have you been wasting my money and the teams time on players you don't believe should be on the roster? What is your plan if the thing that EVERY other GM thinks is most likely, him being a star, happens. I have to deal with this well over 50 million franchise tag cap hit in 2026 as well as having my most important position pissed off at the franchise and me, when if you would have extended him when I wanted to this cap hit in 2026 was going to be 24 million?"
Yes, that is his cap hit in 2026, less than half of what that franchise tag would be CURRENTLY, who knows what it will be in two years. Less than his 5th year option the year before would have been. Awesome decision, you completely wasted enough salary cap to pay two All-Pro non quarterbacks. Or even one of the top 10 pass rushers. Congratulations, you just got fired as GM of the Jaguars...and also need a career change because no way in hell is any franchise going to hire a GM who doesn't understand how the salary cap works.
@@camstegames8437nothing you just said is reality 🤣🤣🤣
This show is unwatchable without rich these guys are such casuals
Do any of them deserve it.?.? Besides maybe Mahommes
Purdy 💪🏼
If your qb is getting you at least to the playoffs on a regular basis I believe they deserve the money. It’s not Josh Allen’s fault the defense and Stefan Diggs let him down in the playoffs
Burrow looked sharp that one season
Lamar is a choker, but box office to watch
Josh Allen is a one man wrecking crew
these three are surely equal to mahomes in box office value atleast
Mahomes is really the only one. 2/3 of his career as a starter has resulted in SB appearances and 1/2 of his career as a starter has ended in hoisting the trophy (been in the league for 7 years but he's started for 6 years)
Yes... that was easy
Another Daniel Jones in the making.
Kirk Cousins - Dak Prescott - Derek Carr - Baker Mayfield - Geno Smith ======> 50 million / yr mid-career low-ceiling QBs
He's not THAT badd,.lol~
Jim Jackson is in the building 🎉🎉🎉
Is jimmy skinny or does he have a giant head
Jim Jackson as host impressed me.
When does it stop going up?
When nfl revenue stops going through the roof
When revenue drops or when the CBA changes
From the team standpoint this was an amazing deal. His only getting $15M this season
And in 2025 he's only getting $17M
And he's showing to improve each year.
I saw a few Jaguars' games where Lawrence looked absolutely lost. He isn't a threat to have to defend against.
You pay special money when you have special player. If you can't replace that player then you pay. If you are not sure then don't pay but find an alternative.
All starting quarterbacks are getting paid.
Exactly. There is a limited supply of starting quality quarterbacks, so Jacksonville's options are virtually limited to paying Trevor Lawrence or going back into the draft with a mid-round 1st pick and finding a good one to draft.
@@johnbox271ok and they can suck with or without Trevor
@@haneytr3sreally minshew is better and he’s making 10 million
@@johnbox271Lawrence is replaceable by a 3rd round qb
JACKSONVILLE GOT A PERFECT CHARACTER TALENTED HUGE FRANCHISE QB - NO BRAINER
Trevor getting paid for wat he did in college lol
It’s the reality of the market and nothing else. If you want to keep your QB after his rookie deal, you’re gonna make him one of the highest paid in the league for a bit. There’s nothing to discuss. Pay them or trade them. That’s it
This! They are just trying to get ahead of an exploding salary cap. By time the extension kicks in, it will look like a bargain. Unless of course he just totally sucks, but thats the chance they have to take. Its not like they had other options.
Start letting QBs walk. Mostly all of them are bad anyway this ain’t 2000s 2010s anymore. These QBs are worse than the Trent dilfers
That's NOT the "reality of the market" 🤣🤣🤣. Just because a random qb's rookie deal is ending it doesn't mean he's automatically worth top 3 qb money and his actual on field production doesn't have anything to do with his next contract. You're a casual FOR SURE
@@PhoenixFlamezz they had other options lol. They could've traded Lawrence. They could've let him play out his entire 5 year rookie deal before they extended him 2 years from now. They could've waited until after this season to extend him to see if he improved or not. They could've moved up in this year's draft and taken a qb that they could sit and develop for a year or 2 behind Lawrence and then trade or release Lawrence in a year or 2 when the new qb is ready (similar to what GB did twice with Arod/Love and ATL did this year and KC did with Mahomes, and Minni did this year). To suggest their ONLY option was to pay a qb that is BARELY top 15 top 3 qb money is absurd
@@AdamB34you seem like a casual at basic reading comprehension. I said *IF* you want to keep your QB on a rookie deal, you’re gonna pay up. Because if you want to keep him, that also means he’s good enough for another team to take a shot and pay him. Trevor Lawrence isn’t a random QB. Teams that don’t want to keep rookie deal QBs typically trade them or let them walk. You should try reading and understanding context better next time little buddy
I'm a Giants fan and I like Daniel Jones but I'm not one of these guys who just defends the guy. He's not been good enough too many times. But I will say this. That 2 year 80 something Million dollar deal looks like nothing now. Nobody gives Shoenn credit for how he did that. Jones won a playoff game. He gave him some cheddar but did Not lock in long term.
How could he only have a 2 year $80 million contract when he got $92 million GUARANTEED? Also, if they get rid him after the 2024 season they'll still have a $23 million dead cap hit in 2025. I think you're misunderstanding a few things
Jags W, casuals can hate it
You’ll be hating it more than anyone else when 3 years from now Trevor has no weapons and the jags win third place in the division again
Trevor couldn’t win a single game the final 5 games of the season all must win games and lost to the practice squad titans with division on the line why would you pay a 20-30 qb record with a horrible career 85 qb rating instead of waiting another year?
@@MyNameIsJaxonTrevor sucks with weapons
@@123shoshan that’s an overreaction. He’s not a horrible quarterback by any means, definitely a starter, but not top 10.
Exactly! Go Jags!
When healthy Trevor is very good, but he hasn't been healthy a lot. He is a more physically imposing Burrow, who plays through injuries, and does it without the supporting cast. Trevor has had two different OCs in three years. As a Chiefs fan, I am happy to see teams using up their cap space on mid tier QBs.
What has Trevor Lawrence do to deserve this kind of money.
He isn't a great QB that can take the team on his shoulders and win you a Playoff game. Play his option years. Make him earn it. Joe Burrows, Josh Allen, Lamar they earned it. Cannot forget Purdy also a great QB.
This is why jags never gonna win a playoff game much less a superbowl
already won a playoff game 🤡
I think I'm in favor of the salary cap having percentages dedicated to certain positions.
What I wonder is at what point do owners start capping how much they’re willing to spend on a player? The salaries have gotten way past insane.
I’m trying to imagine Mahomes sweating over $5MM/year (in between shooting commercials).
He’ll no Lawrence didn’t deserve that contract!!! Goff has been to a Super Bowl and 2 conference championships, and Trevor gets paid more than Goff?
To be fair Goff is nearly 6 years older and he had some pretty terrible seasons after that super appearance 6 years ago. Lawrence DEFINITELY didn't deserve this contract but it's not because of Goff's contract
I have no problem with him getting an extension. My issue is making him the highest paid QB. Instead of 55 million a year, maybe 50 million a year.
What all you people who have never watched every single snap as I have don't realized is his numbers don't tell the whole story. Calvin Ridley just wasn't good, Kirk got hurt and out for the season, Zay Jones hurt, Trevor had 4 major injuries and a horrible o-line. Plus Jags have been traditional 3-5 win team season after season after season. The last 2 season. Trevor has taken an irrelevant losing franchise to back to back 9-8 winning seasons with a playoff win and taking Chiefs down to the wire the next game. And that is b/c of #16.
If Jags cut Trevor right now 23-25 teams would break their neck running to their phone to call his agent including most of you guys teams in the comments who for some strange reason have this fake vitriol for him. These aren't opinions, just facts.
Yeah too bad all their backup receivers kept making Trevor overthrow all those passes and kept running into the backfield to make him drop the ball.
You obviously watched low lights and not every snap. Thanks for making my point Junior.
@@FiredOnMyDayOff you didn't state any facts. You just arbitrarily said everyone on the team is trash except Lawrence and the only reason they win games is because of Lawrence. You literally didn't say one negative thing about him and you did the typical thing fans of players with horrible stats do and you immediately said "stats don't matter" because that's the easiest way to deflect attention away from his poor individual performances. Oh and saying 25 teams would want Lawrence is the biggest NON FACT I've ever seen. Mahomes, Burrow, Herbert, Hurts, Lamar, Love, Tua, Dak, Josh Allen, Stroud, Goff, Purdy, Rodgers, Cousins, Stafford and Kyler Murray are all better than Lawrence and Caleb Williams might be better too. The ONLY reason any of those teams would take Lawrence over their qb is age and even then I doubt most of them would rather have him at his current price over their current qb.
He deserved what he could get.Was he worth what he got, In my opinion based on his play, hell no.
Brock purdy got a stacked team, Trevor was getting hit left and right. I wanna see purdy play on a shitty team and see him do something
🤣🤣🤣... Lawrence got sacked a whopping 7 more times than Purdy and the Jags are absolutely not a sh it ty team. That offense was stacked with good/great talent and the defense was passable. Certainly not as good as San Francisco but not even close to a bad team
What have Dak done to get the contract that he got?? I’ll tell you what his done, not a darn thing.
Also, I don’t think Brockman understand the financial reasons to why certain teams do this.
It doesn't matter what you deserve. It matters what you negotiate.
I don’t agree with the contract either but these guys are legit chuckleheads. Have no idea how the market works or what guaranteed money is
I think the Owners and GMs react to the current QB mega-payday trend by spending more high draft-collateral on Quarterbacks, so that the organization is less likely to find themselves in a situation like Jacksonville is currently in.
First off its $142m guaranteed for 5 years not $200m thats not guaranteed til after 2027 so lets say what it is 28.8m a year if you do the math, Trevor has played in the NFL for 3 years Gardner for 5 and Their stats are similar thats a slam on Gardner not Lawrence. Dak Prescott has done zero with Dallas and they paid him, Herbert has done nothing and he got paid Lamar and Burrow are injury prone and got paid. I wish these people would be a bit of research that is all.
Relativity is always the gauge for any economy. We're not asking an NFL player to be paid like a CFL player
Herbert, since he has been in the league, has had a 28th ranked defense.
Deer in the headlights,.lol~
He's the best non-Eisen host on the show
What has Trevor done besides come out as one of the most hyped Qb prospects ever, had 1 playoff comeback against the gutless Staley Chargers (which only had to happen bc he put them in that situation himself in the first place), and has Nick Wright mancrushing on him all over media?
I'm saying a QB that gives you an above average chance to make the playoffs and a chance to win a playoff game is worth market value. Your other option is starting over in the draft or hoping to land another veteran that probably won't be better
This is the worse contract ever has to be
To everyone saying they had him for 3 more years anyway, here is the conversation you would have to have with the owner if you play that game. "If you do it your way, his salary cap hit is actually higher all those years than it is now since we were extending him with two extra years to play with on current contract. Which players are you cutting to get that cap back? Which undrafted free agent you got to replace the guy you cut? What's your confidence level that he is an adequate replacement? Gonna bet your job on it? Actually, if you have the players ready to cut to get that cap room back, what the hell are they doing on my roster to begin with? You are paying MY money to people you don't think benefit the team? How long have you been wasting my money and the teams time on players you don't believe should be on the roster? What is your plan if the thing that EVERY other GM thinks is most likely, him being a star, happens. I have to deal with this well over 50 million franchise tag cap hit in 2026 as well as having my most important position pissed off at the franchise and me, when if you would have extended him when I wanted to this cap hit in 2026 was going to be 24 million?"
Yes, that is his cap hit in 2026, less than half of what that franchise tag would be CURRENTLY, who knows what it will be in two years. Less than his 5th year option the year before would have been. Awesome decision, you completely wasted enough salary cap to pay two All-Pro non quarterbacks. Or even one of the top 10 pass rushers. Congratulations, you just got fired as GM of the Jaguars...and also need a career change because no way in hell is any franchise going to hire a GM who doesn't understand how the salary cap works.
Don’t blame the reffs, blame Hurts for a fumble that turned into a scoop n score
I feel like all these pundits keep ignoring how much of the contract is actually guaranteed. Compared to the Brown's Deshaun Watson deal or the Bronco's Russel Wilson deal, this is a bargain.
This was one of the worst contracts ever paid 😂
You’re asking for trouble if you pay top dollar for mediocre players. There’s a reason why this number is so high . The QBs that are the real deal are the highest , not just cuz they were next up to be signed . Bad way to do business . Pay greatness top dollar when greatness is achieved and already in the building . Not hard to tell these agents.
Franchise quarterbacks are the face of the organization and help put people in the seats. Remember this is the guy they made sure the Jets couldn’t draft by tanking. So I doubt they’d let this drag out after he’s won a playoff.
Mahomes grew up very affluent. His father was an MLB pitcher. Mahomes was and will never be pressed for money.
No hate for sure. Get you're money bro. Like the man said, you're worth what someone is willing to pay you based on the market and that teams individual circumstances. Good for Trevor. I wouldn't have done it tho
He’s the next man up, that’s what the market dictates.
What the hell are you talking about how does the market dictate an average qb getting insane money? No one is forcing the jaguarss to pay him
How does it dictate it ? The jags don’t have to pay him a penny
Bengals were a stacked team before they got Burrow. Trevor started with a lot less in Jacksonville. Herbert had a stacked team and should have done better.
450 million is nearly half a BILLION! ... stop the woe is he. (Enough is enough. At some point, one has to draw a line)
That question being asked says it all
Trevor is my guy because we both have beautiful hair...Brockman is kinda right on the money side of things but I gotta back my guy.
First of all it’s a 7 year dead now not 5. His rookie contract has 2 years on it and will reflect on the cap but no one talks about that part.
2nd in his second year hear single handed brought this team from dead, won division and would have played in AFC championship if his WR didn’t fumble ball in the end zone.
3rd, he had this team in 1st and tied for 1st in AFC for most of the season with one of worst O-Lines in NFL which is why he sustained all those injuries and couldn’t play the same anymore
And people said Kirk was way overpayed with the Vikings…Kirk is better than Lawrence, this is crazy that he’s the highest paid QB when he’s not even a top 10 QB
No it’s just the going rate
How is it the going rate ? Minshew is only making 8 million
If that’s the going rate then why not sign an actual good qb if it costs the same ?
Really who signs an average qb top dollar?
It's not the going rate for an average QB
@@123shoshanif they don’t then who do they have and I’m a titans fan he’s an slightly above average QB hell 3 years from now it will be 300 mill for a QB
Good for him. Glad he got his money
Squidwards House has been nothing but hype since he was in college
Overpaid for winning SB. Paid just fine for keeping the jags relevant. Thanks again Jags.
-chiefs fan
Where's the market for this? Look down the list of all 32 NFL teams and show me who's taking Lawrence if the Jags balk at the money? Couple of teams might consider. But most teams are locked in to obviously better players (Mahomes, Allen, Burrow, et al), big money they can't get around (Jones, Stafford), or players they drafted in the last 3 years.
Strong argument to be made for NFL expansion. There are too many viable players now at this position and not enough teams. Spreading the quarterback signing competition out will bring their salaries down and allow better overall roster building.
I’ve heard 3 people that have had Joe Burrows injury and their hand wasn’t the same. maybe burrow is different 🤷♂️
The QB market is out of control! He’ll be making almost 25% of the allotted cap money. A team will never rebuild and win with that kinda money
So he is 1-1 in plyoff with 4 INT in one game. B.Purdy is going to be loaded with 4-1
He deserved in the sense that finding a franchise QB is hard and hes good enough for Jax not to drop him. But his level of play since coming out of college does not indicate he should be considered top tier.
He’s not a franchise qb
@AlexRoth-vd1js
Well evidently Jax thinks he is. I agree that he hasn't been great, but as I said he hasn't been so bad they should drop him. I think they could have waited to see more from him, but I guess their thinking was get it done now instead of paying him potentially more later.
Brockman is wrong about Mahomes not being on the list. Mahomes is making 53 million per year over the next 5 years and then he will get a new contract. Mahomes is going to earn more money over the next 5 years than anybody else in football.
I would have let him play another year to see but it's the Jags so you can smell the desperation.
Best contract in NFL history tbh
Is homie reading off a prompter? WTF do his eyes keep flashing at towards the bottom right corner of the screen
Short answer: No
Mahomes smiling right now chiefs will keep on winning 🎉🎉🎉
Are we so sure the league is gonna generate money like that in 5 years to make these contracts worth it? I completely agree with tier contracts not next man up. Trevor doesn’t deserve Burrow money without success.
Holy overpay, good luck building a team around a guy that couldn't win when he was on a rookie deal. Now he'll have even less help than before
One of these GMs will smarten up and ditch a mediocre QB before they pay them, he'll be branded as an absolute idiot until that QB accepts a massive deal with a new team then sucks horribly.
I credit the Bears organization for taking all the heat from the masses of morons that thought Justin Fields was a real QB and then ditching him for a real one. Not saying Lawrence is as bad as Fields, not even close but if I was Jags GM i'm doing everything in my power to not extend him. Franchise tags, 1-2 year extensions, more guaranteed.... anything but these massive deals.
Man can you imagine the going rate for an above average QB 5 years from now 😮
Ha ha true. Someone said CJ will be at a billion. 😂
We have mid QBs making 55/yr lmao
The answer is no he did not deserve it. But it was just his turn.
Trevor's first year was a bit problematic given the coach he had, Urban Meyer. The next year he made it to the playoffs and won a playoff game against the Chargers. Then, in his third year, this past season, he was doing well until he got injured. o
Wrong he only had 12 touchdowns before he got hurt
But Brock on a team like the panthers he wins about 3 games. But an elite qb like Mahomes or Allen on the panthers they probably win at least 7-9 games at minimum because of their greatness. Brock is a product of a stacked team
You can't just put any random qb on the 49ers and they will play like an mvp. Trey Lance didn't, Nick Mullens didn't, Jimmy G didn't, Cj Bethard didn't, Brian Hoyer didn't. That's every qb that started games for San Francisco since Shanahan became coach and NONE of them even sniffed an mvp or made a pro bowl like Purdy did.
It dose have to be said for QBs that for the most talented at the very least who are elite at some aspect of the game beyond athleticism.they play their best football in their late 20s early 30s . Which is why I don’t expect Patrick Mahomes and to slow down because they are less and less relying on athletic ability and more on making good decisions from the pocket.and are better preserving their athleticism for later down the stretch because they aren’t wearing out their legs trying to be Superman .and for more pocket QBs you see them play much better later in their careers because they get better at making reads and getting through progressions quicker and their game isn’t dependent on athleticism . They become more decisive
That's just a looooong way of saying "Maybe Lawrence won't still be trash in a few years" 🤣🤣
@@AdamB34 true 😅 but I’m still trying to not be mean
@@stlegion-px1wo he's making hundreds of millions of dollars to play a game, and not very well I might add. You don't have to spare his feelings lol
The main story should be, Are other 2nd tier QBs gonna get paid? Are the Cowboys going to pay Dak? Probably, the Cowboys are stupid.
Answer is no
I cant wait for him to show out! prove that he is well worth it!
And I am pretty sure he will
Kelce has been underpaid and Chris Jones didn’t get top of the market and Tyreek Hill was traded so who got the money MaHomes left on the table? The defense is full of young draft picks and they don’t have high end tackles so who’s getting that money?
I understand why they did this, but now they have to hope they didn't just get Daniel Jones'd. Trevor Lawrence has not lived up to the hype, we haven't seen generational talent.
Deserve ? No he did nothing to get that kinda contract
Thank you for TJ being level headed with this question. This is the price for franchise QBs and Trevor is a franchise QB no question. You can win a Super Bowl with him and because of him. I’m taking Trevor Lawrence over Brock Purdue any day.