TOP 26 | Biggest Differences between Jury & Televoting | Eurovision 2021 Final
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- Опубликовано: 21 май 2021
- Top 26 of biggest differences between jury and televoting based on placing (not points!) in the Grand Final of Eurovision 2021.
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As four countries got zero points from the televote I've decided to count their televoting rank as their jury rank because I wasn't sure if all should be 26th or 23rd. I think this is the most balanced solution.
According to tie-break rule, the one performing first will finish higher (like 2015). Therefore, Netherlands should come overall last in televoting
@@CK-lw6yo Yup. Officially it would be UK 23rd, Spain 24th, Germany 25th, Netherlands 26th.
@@CK-lw6yo oh i thought it was that whichever country got points from more countries would finish higher
@@CK-lw6yo Wikipedia says this about the tie-break rules. The current tie-break procedure was implemented in the 2016 contest. In the procedure, sometimes known as a countback, if two (or more) countries tie, the song receiving more points from the televote is the winner. If the songs received the same number of televote points, the song that received at least one televote point from the greatest number of countries is the winner. If there is still a tie, a second tie-breaker counts the number of countries who assigned twelve televote points to each entry in the tie. Tie-breaks continue with ten points, eight points, and so on until the tie is resolved. If the tie cannot be resolved after the number of countries which assigned one point to the song is equal, the song performed earlier in the running order is declared the winner, unless the host country performed earlier (in which case the song performed later would be the winner). The tie-break procedure originally applied only to first place ties or to determine a semifinal qualifier,[19] but since 2008 has been applied to all places.
@@darkchocospy7080 But that doesn't apply in this situation as they all got 0.
the transition between Israel and Norway tho
Yesss
Israel 🇮🇱💙
Ima ima
Ima Ima ii- iMa ImA fALLen aNGel
The best part:
2:17 "I'm a I'm a Ah" part of Israeli song, next is Norway with "'I'm a I'm a"😂
Russia: 8 tele and 8 jury = 9. That made me giggle
Points do raiting,not place
@@Hardcore0 no shit Sherlock
Croatia: 10th in juries 9th in televoting 11th overall in the semi😂
Why?
In 2019 australia was 6 in jury, 7 in televote, but got 9 overall
UK having the least difference in televote and jury.
*YA DON'T SAY!*
Bruh stefania was 10th at televoting, jury, in Total and she permormed as 10th
Her lucky number I guess
And she also released her song on 10th of April :)
@@vovannnglad *March :)
Israel: I'm a... I'm a...
Norway: I'm a... I'm a fallen angel
Lithuania:
•8th in final ranking.
•8th most different.
•8 places between juries and tele.
I really like that we have both the jury and the public votes. They balance each other out quite well most of the time and both of them save songs. For example this year the jury saved Malta and Belgium from to low points and the public saved for example Ukraine. I do kind of wish the juries were bigger tho, they consist of only 5 people today and this is just not enough for the power they hold. Should be more like 20 people
That's not true tho, there isn't just 5 people, every country (even the ones that aren't in finale) has their own jury and if every country has 5 people on jury, that's 200 people.
Ukraine was still 9th with the juries which is good
nope, no more Jury, Jury is a separate block, televoting only counts
@@georgeytg yeah I know, but I think every country should have like 20 people in the jury each
Agree should be more than 5 people :/
I think jurors and televoters agreed a lot on this year compared to most others. Most years have at least one entry that gets near first with one voting group and near last with the other (Czech Rep. 19, Sweden + Ukraine 18, Australia 17, Poland 16). On top of that, the bottom 4 were the same for jury and televote this year!
The jury made it way more balanced, I actually preferred their choices overall...
@@chavem nope you are just wrong
Not really, the bottom four were all 26th in the televote while they all got different points from the juries.
Don't forget KEIINO
Remember Russia in 2016
I'm so torn this year. For some of these songs I agree with the jury, and with others the televote. I guess it's a good thing we have both
wouldnt it make more sense to count this with the point difference?
Exactly
Please don't. It pains me to see go_a place first.
Out of the 4 countries that have 10+ difference, only Serbia had better tele than the jury votes
cant believe my girl vicky just got the biggest difference in jury and televote. she did not deserve such a low televote result honestly
And she got 101 points in sf 2 by televote,It makes no sense
it makes sense because there were so many good songs, with the system we have only the top 10 get points no matter how close the result actually is, I feel like the difference in most countries between like 3rd and 11th wouldnt be that much
i should research this so im not just making up things
@@Idk-mm2ts I think it’s because she had to perform around tele favourite, like for example Finland who was right before her got 200+ and Lithuania who was after her got 165
@@Idk-mm2ts That's because the only people who ACTUALLY cast votes in the semi-finals are the esc fans, among whom Victoria's song was quite popular, and the diasporas. Same with Malta; she came 2nd in the televote in her semi but flopped in the final. Also, it's not like the televoters have never heard of Billie Eilish and didn't spot the similarity. This year, the televoters awarded originality and uniqueness, hence the low scores for Malta and Bulgaria.
@@XA--ly8iy and people forget, they are competing against songs that qualified in their own semi final so it makes sense that other songs can be liked more than hers was in her own semi.
If I was UK, I would think of taking part again, in the future.... That "zero points"... Is so heartbreaking...
Or maybe just sending a decent song for once?
@@DarkMoon997 The song this year, was decent... Maybe the staging wasn't good... But I think , as I heard somewhere, that UK just wasn't voted because of the Brexit.. Thing that I don't understand, of course.... 😒
@@sigma.mi. I don't think that was the reason... a lot of participants aren't even in the EU and while it is a decent radio bop, it didn't translate well enough on the big stage 😳
@@chavem maybe... But UK, was in the EU.. And the others weren't.. So that makes the difference... 😒
@@sigma.mi. ya'll gotta stop blaming other stuff for the miserable songs you send lmao Brexit my ass, this had nothing to do with Brexit
thank you so much for these vids, keep it up!!
Imo all people thought about some songs everyone will vote for them,so they didn't vote for them
Most balance jury & tele points for uk this year
0 - 0 = 0 points 😂😂😂
The public absolutely disrespected Portugal
WHOEVER GOT BULGARIA INTO 11th POSITION IM MAD AT
What? Impressive. Televoting: Ukraine - 2 place, Switzerland - 7, Serbia - 9, Malta - 14.
2:16 The transition.
Great video! :)
Tiny mistake tho: I think you mixed up the jury and tele score San Marino.
Victoria 🇧🇬😭😭😭😭😭
Robbed
She was in my top 10.
@@balintszabo1399 hmm robed ? Jury all small number of people from all country maybe around 200 person while audience televotes are millions of people. Not many eurovision songs play for years and who does most by televoters. None care that jury results. Most of them are politic and makes womit. Televoters vote shows really wins. And its shows for us.
I can't stress this enough
@@gsg91892 you need both in order to have a somewhat appropriate ranking! Jury can be biased but that can be said for televoting as well
i’m so pissed at the juries putting serbia at 21 like what they done so well
Prolly because of all the recorded backing vocals, you couldn't even hear them sing anymore at a point.
@@quentinreusens3208 I don't understand the point od spreading such lies. They were singing live.
@@ksenijaurovic8646 Bruh that ain't lies, listen to it, you hear a lot of background voices that are recorded. Of course them 3 are singing live, but they put them rlly silent, just like Moldova with that "long" note.
@@quentinreusens3208 oh, shut up. They didn't even have recorded backing vocals. Their backing vocalists travelled to Rotterdam with them
I am glad we have jury and the televoting since it evens it out quite well. I thought Belgium was really good but televoters were like nah. On the other hand Serbia’s song is just bad but televoters praised it and it got nerfed down by the jury.
for me its other way around. belgium was in every possible way boring and mediocre. i liked serbian song
@@evel1naklove you
Dude Belgium didn't even deserve to qualify for the final, especially since this is one of the strongest years ever
I think you got San Marino mixed up, they placed 21st in the televotes and 18th in the juries
3 minutes of juries are ruining the winning chances of Finland, Ukraine and Lithuania.
Same as televoters ruining Switzerland and Malta (not that I care about Malta). It works both ways.
@@paulmartin1532 difference is that Eurovision is supposed to be about music people want to hear.
@@philipchouliaras5879 Eurovision is about bringing people together through music. And people are very different in what music they want to hear. And juries are people too.
@@paulmartin1532 jury voting is stupid
@@Oleksandr.Derkach that comment is stupid
Wow public and juries greatly agreed on UK.
ok, now this voting system is actually better as the years pass by.
people keep slandering the juries, but unless a country with a large gimmick/voting block is in the first half, then all songs in the first half won’t do well (example: 2008 results, which were mostly televoting, most songs that did well performed in the second half. also, the televoting this year, 4 of the top 5 were in the second half) juries save a lot of first half songs.
moreover, voting blocks will be present in both systems (juries just get slandered because their full breakdown is presented, unlike the televote which just shows a summary of scores), and if you think that juries have some political voting, then just remember that serbia and russia (there are probably other countries too, but those are the most obvious ones) get most of their point from their respective pots.
if there were to be changes, either have a bigger jury, or juries should score the same performances as the televote, but both systems should be in place
Bulgaria deserved better in Televotes
it's the same every year, the public doesn't like the same songs as jurys and has a better taste i think!
No they don't!. Most of them are half pissed on the sofa judging the bright lights for the first time. Oooh, is it spangly?
I do agree with jury’s this year tbh, but italy definitely deserved the win
@@valterssluka1945 On recent past form I agree, it's about time.
Good Video
I've the impression very few of Hooverphonic's audience watch esc... On the other hand, it was a killer final. Many strong entries and this kind could get lost, no matter how classy it is
It's a good song but very grimy and dark, not what esc usually likes and I think people just wanted a song to go wild on after 2 years of being calm due to covid.
Malta, being a jury favourite, was kind of unexpected... Not to mention, Victoria... All fans love her, but only few,voted for her!!! 😂😂😂
i voted for her 10 times yet she still only got 30 points from the public 🥲
I though Malta would win the jury It was expected
@@Idk-mm2ts how was it expected? Malta is a pop dance song. Most of the times, juries prefer ballads...or something like a ballad...Songs,like Switzerland's, France's, Portugal's....
Bulgaria needed neighbour voting to succeed in televoting. All the Balkan nations voted for Serbia instead
@@sigma.mi. Its because she is an overweight singer talking about women empowerment.
Belgium and Bulgaria robbed the most
This shows that the myth that jury loves Sweden is false. The jury does like great produced pop songs and Sweden tends to send this since that is the music we in generall make in Sweden (which have lead to artists like Zara Larsson). This year we didin’t send as good of a song as normal and that showed in the jury points. The televote on the other hand likes songs that are diffrent, like Ukraine this year for example. This makes a great combo in the total votes. I hope the hate against Sweden Will stop now. Thanks for 11th place!
Oh u swesish too?
Pleas can someone tell me what the songer is saying in netherlands'song because i can only hear "you don't wan't broccoli"
Most years I can tell the one song that the jury will just fawn over and its usually the song that I like the least. This year it was Switzerland, 2019 it was Sweden, 2018 it was Austria....
Poor San Marino getting 18th in the Televote and 21st in the Jury and ended up getting 22nd😔😔😔
San Marino was the GameStop short squeeze of Eurovision. Many people were warned about Adrenalina being very similar to Cyprus 2018 and they ignored the warnings.
So...
Juries and televoting had the same opinion for 7 countries
Much the same opinion for 7
Sweden got more points from televoting than juries
Malta, Bulgaria and Portugal saved by juries
While Finland, Serbia, Lithuania and Ukraine slayed in televoting.
Uh... Ukraine got over 260 televote, making them the second voted nation. And Finland was the fourth voted, so... not exactly slayed.
@@giannapple I wrote "while" "slayed"....
Means something like "did much better"
@@konstantinossss Oh, sorry! I actually read “while ... WAS slayed”... My bad! 👍
One question: Switzerland and Lithuania both got 165 points from the televote so they were shared 6th right? How do you decide who is 6th and who is 7th?
i think it's how many '12 points's they've gotten
There are lots of tie breaker rules and first rule is televote as u mentioned, second rule is the country that recieved televote point from the bigger number of countries breaks the tie.
Greece what is going on with “10” 😂
What about 2 winners? Winner by televotes and winner by jury, what do you think? (If they don't match)
No
I warned everyone before the contest about San Marino's entry. Back in March 2021, I found out that Flo Rida would be featured as an artist for Senhit's song Adrenalina. This got me thinking GameStop style short squeeze ahead, which meant the the juries would not score the song very well and it would be too uncompetitive. Although San Marino qualified for the final I predicted that the jury score would be low because the song sounded too similar to the entry Cyprus submitted in 2018. Many people did not heed the warnings and thought Senhit would secure a top-10 finish. However, just like with what happened with GameStop, San Marino crashed hard to the ground, finishing 22nd.
Jury is voting the Voice and public the spectacle
Sooooo true😕
My winner is Switherland, 🇨🇭
My top 26 after the Show:
1 Italy🇮🇹
2 France🇫🇷
3 Ukraine🇺🇦
4 Finland🇫🇮
5 Iceland🇮🇸
6 Switzerland🇨🇭
7 Lithuania🇱🇹
8 Malta🇲🇹
9 Bulgaria🇧🇬
10 Greece🇬🇷
11 Russia 🇷🇺
12 Serbia🇷🇸
13 Norway🇸🇯
14 Moldova🇲🇩
15 Sweden🇸🇪
16 Cyprus🇨🇾
17 Albania🇦🇱
18 San Marino🇸🇲
19 Portugal🇵🇹
20 Azerbaijan🇦🇿
21 Israel🇮🇱
22 Belgium🇧🇪
23 Netherlands🇳🇱
24 Germany🇩🇪
25 Spain🇪🇸
26 United Kingdom🇬🇧
Its just unfair that the jury is putting serbia that low AND THIS IS EVERY YEAR LIKE THAT!
justice for san marino :(
San Marino, not good
Televote was stupid this year with Bulgaria and Malta.... they deserved much more.
I mean, Destiny has literally 18 years old...
And Victoria has 23.
I think for Malta what hurt her the most was that she was placed too early in the show. Had she performed later, I think people would have voted for her more maybe.
What exactly does age have to do with the votes? They simply didn't stand out
@@escsteffan3438 agree
Someone made a very good video about the correlation of running order and final rank. On average, performing later can boost your chances.
@@Hope132R except if you're San Marino
Malta still upsets me so much. She deserved better
There is no way the United Kingdom was the worst song...some of the others songs were terrible
Belgium and Norway just switched positions from 13th to 22th
B- but why Bulgaria?? :(
This is basicly the higher you go the worse they got robbed
Ah yes my 2 favourites are 1 and 2 😂
BELGIUM WAS SO UNDERRATED IN THE TELEVOTE OMG
++++++++
What is wrong with Europe with Belgium , where is your taste smh
Belgium didn't even deserve the final to begin with, It was out of top 10 un televote in the semi and got pushed by 5 people (also known as juries)
@@geminix365 yes my point still stands whats up with that taste
The public really did sleep on Malta and Switzerland. But I mean the jury slept on so many other songs that it doesn’t even matter lmao
1:31 Nice strong voice likes more televote then juries...
2:23 Nice like Albania
I don't get this system😅
Spain didnt deserve that spot
Portugal and Bulgaria together
Bulgaria was truly robbed. she deserved more from the public. it was clear that the Jury appreciated this masterpiece but the public didn’t get it 😭😭
Yeah it honestly wasn't bad but it just didn't stand out enough to make people vote for it, even they enjoyed it. That's why juries are good.
not the greatest choice of thumbnail but alright
Malta 😭
What is the point of the 5 person jury?
United Kingdom? 🤔 No justice, from Spain.
😂😂😂😂😂 cleaning the glass foshoooo
Bulgaria is the. Best ❤
At least Bulgaria won something
Cyprus deserved more...
the running order killed it, singing first destroyed it hard, you can see for example Greece sang 10th and got in the top 10 after 8 years. Iceland singing 12th got 4th place and Switzerland, who sand before Iceland got 3rd
People dont vote for songs that were obviously stolen.
@@shiroshinigami239 I'm sorry but not every artist is unique
bad romance copy, even the dancers copied moves from it. Pathetic
They already got "more".... getting free 24 points from Greece aka Cyprus II
You don't understand how tie-breaking works. E.g. the UK was 23rd in the televote so it's actually a three places difference.
Gjon deserved to win 👏 So proud of him!
aaaaand this is why the Jury votes should be taken away! I mean if we look at this: the Jury votes and the televotes are 50/50, so let's say 120.000 people from one country voted for Ukraine, they are taken down on the list because 5-10 people desided they liked France better! (And I have nothing against the song from France) It's just that, this should be reason enough to not let the Jury votes count 50%
I could not disagree more. Anyone who watched Eurovision during the 2000:s knows how much juries have improved the quality of the contest since then by rewarding musical quality over gimmicks, running order and neighbour voting.
The jury system is not a perfect system, there are still countries like Greece and Cyprus abusing the system by exchanging points year after year but it's still vastly better than going back to the days of 100% televoting where an artist like Duncan Laurence or Loreen could lose to Latvian pirates.
Agreed!
To those who want 100% televote
Well Eurovision did have a time in the 2000’s where it was televote only. It was a hot mess and pure garbage, to the point where several countries theatred to QUIT because of how much bad and how much of a JOKE it was. There was a song that begged people to vote for them and they got 6th. Voting was extremely politicized all over the place, way more than the juries ever was. It got close to ruining Eurovision entirely. When Eurovision brought Juries back in 2009, it pretty much saved Eurovision from disaster and has helped the quality of the songs go up a LOT(just compare)2007/2008 to 2009.
The lesson is you can not trust the public entirely to make a decision like this.(which is why there is a (50-50 balence in the first place) Don’t get me started on the mistakes the public made on shows like American idol and what not.
Sad for Malta and Bulgaria (and kinda for Ukraine)
Malta was terrible
@@yannick8458 Not terrible, just not outstanding. It had quality, vocals, performance....but lyrics.
Never hated an entry so hard like Portugal’s. Too overrated and so sad about the fact, that they stopped participating in their native language. Thanks for making Portugal mainstream, Black Mambas.
You have absolutely no clue what the hell you are talking about. English does not equal mainstream, are you dumb? If anything it is less mainstream because of the genre.. And the performance and song are class acts, but that is just my opinion, and you are allowed to think otherwise, but don’t come here and say they are mainstream and overrated because they sure as hell are not.
it would've been REALLY mainstream to pick Neev, especially after Duncan Laurence's win.
Portuguese gal here and i agree! If we were gonna vote for an English song it should've been at least a funky one... oh well... we broke our record for no reason
I think Portugal was overrated too
Not quite, I think they deserved that 12th place according to my ranking (fun fact: The song which finish 12th in last contest was also about love (Love is forever), what a coincidence)
Jury > Tele
OOOOF
nah
Tele > Jury
Jury sucks
Yeah wtf do people vote for Hurricane, it was so generic and bad 😂
@@JPS.1967 that was a prime example of people voting for the country, not the song (literally 60 of their 82 televoting points came from pot 1 countries) and people accuse the juries of doing that? ok then
Bulgaria getting such a low televote for such a meaningful song and staging shows televoters are shallow.
can we just remove jury
So, not that bad than...
france should won thats bullshit
People tend to not appreciate boring performances while jury looks at vocals first
I mean, Moldova got higher place in jury votes than Albania (and Anxhela's vocals were stunning). Not everything in jury voting is about vocals, a lot of politics is involved too
@@irynayarova8343 of course not, but generally that seems to be the case.
I guess that's why the winner must have unique performance and strong vocals in order to score high in both
And combined with good luck haha
We should just remove the jury because they have no idea on what should win.
How did Serbia get top ten for Televote ? Crime worthy
Serbia got 12p from Slovenia, Croatia and North Macedonia, because Hurricane are very famous in the former Yugoslav countries. They also got 12p from Austria and Switzerland, because a lot of former Yugoslav people moved there.
Serbia always gets high points from those exact same countries every single year.
@@Nutzername92a pot 1 to the rescue
yeah remove the jury........like seriously....
Jury really chose better entries than televoters 😂 (with the sole exception being Portugal)
AGREED!!!
I disagree completely. Ukraine, Lithuania and Italy all deserved the points they got from the voters.
In terms of televote disagree with those from Ukraine and Italy for getting too many votes, but I agree that Lithuania is far too overrated by televote (Discoteque is too annoying for me, I prefer On Fire instead) , they should get out of top 10, Bulgaria deserved the top 10 together with Greece. Meanwhile Malta is far too overrated by juries, which Italy deserved a top 3 on that section as well!
switzerland got robbed by the televoting ngl
Portugal super overrated and Norway underrated... damn with juries...
Senhit. F'cking robbed