SO MUCH HEALING...but for what? | Overwatch 2 Spectating
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Rein playing Rein into a Bastion, Zen AND Mauga. Guy woke up and chose suffering.
And their zen not swapping to bap last retake as well
Ramatra : suffer as I have
That Rein : Say no more
He was just building kitsune
Fr he must be a ram main
That throw by the Rein at the end was demoralizing.
it HURT to watch cause you know exactly what went through their minds, and that they woulda won if he just played the choke with shatter
0:56 Bro wast tossing right out the gate
“At the end”
Overconfidence is a big killer
@@azseal2669no no no.
*Overconfidence… is a flimsy shield*
Ain’t no way chat is arguing that Kiri should do more damage like their team was constantly at critical health not just the tank.
It's really the same when people complain about not getting healed while the tank is constantly critical.
Fellas, is it throwing to heal your critical health team?
Bunch of awkward viewers not actually understanding his videos
I will say they didn't weave once.
@@Fanboy-hf1iuyour team mates are dying through your healing and you don’t attempt to weave, or take off angle to take pressure off them? Selling
all these people in chat are like "DO DAMAGE!!!!" and it's like.... y'all, stop clinging to these rules you have in your head about how heroes or supports should be played. playing support is about helping your team win the fight. your team can't win the fight if you let everyone die in the name of doing damage. your damage ain't gonna do shit if your Rein falls over on cool down. ideally, Rein won't take maximum damage, but in this game, they were. going on an off angle would be throwing because the tank wouldn't survive long enough for Kiriko to TP back to them or for the ofuda to get to them in time.
y'all gotta learn that support is about being flexible and addressing your team's needs. if you don't want to heal, go play DPS. healing is part of the job description, and sometimes you need to spend a lot of time healing. other times, you don't. but there's nothing wrong with healing your team when your team needs it.
this was a game where the team needed a lot of healing all the time. a support who chooses to give the team what they need is a support who is playing well.
should the rein have learned about cover and using their shield? sure, but they didn't. so kiriko was flexible and chose to make up for some of their rein's mistakes by healing them so rein could get some value before they died. they made the right play.
are there moments where they could have thrown one kunai before another set of ofuda? sure but that's not what people are talking about.
also they were running zen + kiriko. kiriko CAN NOT just take off angles when the wholes team needs heals
People asking for more damage are Awkward fans, they can't think.
People take "you need to balance healing and damage" too literally. It's not about keeping a 50/50 ratio between the two, but rather to be able to do both when it matters. There are times when you can go full dps mode because your team is doing just fine, and times where you just have to healbot because otherwise the team crumbles.
@TheShapingSickness I'm am awkward fan and I'm saying those guys are idiots. Kiriko was the only reliable source of healing. Zen was essentially a 3rd dps and wasn't doing a great job of it. She needed to heal, in fact I would have recommended her to swap to a better single target healer. Either Ana or Moira given the circumstances
they were annoying me so bad because they were so adamant in continuing to say that kiri should be doing more off angle dmg. do they not know how zen’s healing output works????? even after emong explained it twice why they needed to focus on healing like???? please be fr 😭
Kiri: Alright, so try not to take as much damage next time.
Rein who already charged into the middle of their team: WHAT?
*Dies*
I feel for that Kiri. You could tell they got desperate at the end and that caused some questionable choices. A lot of supports have to go through this exact experience whenever they play. You feel useless because all you can do is hope that your healing and cooldowns keep the team up and hope that your tank's 2 braincells start working.
This is why I uninstalled the game.
Hell lord.
that’s me, i’m the support constantly shaking my head and over extending to keep dumb teammates alive
Just to get blamed by said tank.
@@protx_ And there's where you turn off comms. Comms are useless below certain elos.
Or anyone's braincell starts working for that matter because sometimes and I hate it the dps do be chasing a guy whose low and just forget about em 4 seconds later then they ult the team like that would not have happened if you chased him bro
When the rein charged at the end, and kiriko spamming "come here ill heal you!". It was tough, but the cut off on his ult voiceline-- the silence was deafening
THIS WAS ME! thank you so much for reviewing my vod emongg
in overwatch, you must forget all real life connections 😂 you can't save him just because it's him, you have to prioritize the team first. if he's a homie, he'll understand and he will want you to help the team win more than he wants to be saved specifically!
@@sethescopeYep, if he dies, he dies
Kind of a weird comment. Why would you playing in a duo mean your suzu timing was off? It shouldn't make any difference. I also don't get why this would be a stressful game, it seems like it would be an auto pilot game.
@@overratedfool6900 what a toxic lil comment
@@sethescope How?
There's too many people in the chat that really think they know more than Emongg and honestly dude is a saint for just not going off on them for their ignorant and off based takes that normally have negative awareness.
First round was insane, she was throwing kitsunes once every 60 seconds, that's impressive
I HATE when teammates pull out the "healbot" comments and it's usually from the DPS. I've played support in gold, plat, and diamond and have had games in all ranks where you just don't have time to dmg a lot because team is feeding so much resulting in you only winning fights if you spam heals. Then if you do lose a fight at some point the DPS will say it's your fault you aren't helping them kill things. But you've been keeping them alive so??? Pick a struggle. Like why are they expecting me to keep them alive and finish their kills for them at the same time. Support on OW1 was fun, support on OW2 there's too many games where you're a scapegoat and people hate on you.
I remember there is a youtuber literally said on his unrank to gm that support has to constantly do damage and only heal when necessary. But I would argue that in Overwatch 2 the tank especially receive so much CC and all damage that keeping tank alive as healbot is essential otherwise it would be a steamroll badly. I once heal as kiriko with 26k healing because a hog just goes solo to kill and i have to tp in and out to keep him alive
Your sentence at the end is just incorrect. There is more people to heal in 6v6 so you'd be blamed more for not healing, not less
@@padarousou That's not even my point. I'm saying in OW1 things were simple and good healing was celebrated. In OW2 supports are bashed if they do too much healing or too little AND bashed if they do too much dmg or not enough. There's no pleasing your teammates.
I have over 300 hours on support alone. I swear this is what almost all my games look like. My tank is doing everything in their power to take as much damage as possible then I get nagged at for being a healbot.
Same but somehow I get told that I am not healing enough
"If your hardstuck it's your fault, stop blaming your team"
My team:
I went bronze 5 to diamond 3 in 3 months keep coping
@@wasabebo8334 I never said anything about my rank or climbing? I never even mentioned the ranked game mode specifically lmao calm down honey.
@@wasabebo8334 also I know you made this comment because you’re desperate to brag about your success in climbing in ranked so, good job sweetheart. You’re a really high rank in a video game and we are all very proud of you.
Kiri played that really well tbh, makes me wish OW still had individual performance based SR gain. They'd definitely be in low diamond by now. (Assuming this was recent).
Whilst I understand the Rein's thought process there, the overconfidence ultimately cost them the win, which was a shame considering how well they'd been playing as a team up to that point (aside from taking as much damage as humanly possible).
The amount of low elo players telling emongg what they shouldve done is always funny because this kiri played really well and the tank decided they didn't want to win anymore
This Kiriko got lucky. Coming from experience, when you're forced to heal that much, you're going to lose most of the time because like Emongg said, your team is just taking too much damage. I lost so many games because my team refused to stop taking damage and then complain about dying a lot. Props to the Kiriko making sure her team stays up.
her team lost
@@nostalgjc1 Still proves my point even if I clearly didn't pay attention to the video.
"Nope, you are a useless support heal botting, doing nothing of value" - Tank players who alive because he is being heal botting.
@@damon6086 oh no i agree, i’ve been forced to heal 25k on ana before and we still lost 💀
@@nostalgjc1 My bad
That Rein is a prime example of why I stopped solo queuing as a support.
it’s literal hell and then support gets blamed for not pulling extra heals from their a*shole bc nobody knows that natural cover exists and the only way to play the game is face tanking 5 people. it’s so defeating.
@@CBreann Not to mention if you make any comment about grouping up, not over extending, or to stop trickling to point you get the trashiest responses and sometimes intentional throwers. They want us to shut up, do our job, and then be the punching bag for a loss.
@@CBreann I remember playing on circuit royale yesterday as Ana with a Kiri as my other support, we had a bastion who tried to facetank a damage-boosted Mauga, Bastion and Sojourn while we were down 2. And when we obviously couldn't keep him alive, the stupid motherfucker tried to blame us.
I'm usually pretty good at keeping my cool, but I can barely remember what I said to him after that. Some of the DPS players out there right now are literally just drooling, brain-damaged apes. At least the other team called him out in chat for blaming us.
rein, ball, doom, and mauga mains are actually horrible to play with
Rein only knew one thing. Charge forward. Kiriko didn't even have any chance to throw a kunai. If anything I would've asked the Zen to go Ana but that's about it
5:47 in Mirrorwatch, both of Zenyatta's Orbs did more when you headshoted someone, healing orb did a burst of heal
could be a good idea
They had Kitsune so many times that one bad one is a little bit excusable.
14:17 I’ve had a Rein do this exact same thing to me, he dashed off the point in overtime when the enemy team had less than 2 meters to cap for the win. I had to TP away because I was now alone on point in a 1v4 and needed to stay alive, I was hoping one of my other teammates could touch. He had the audacity to say “nice c9” to me in the chat…🙃
Emogg: good job
Rein: if i do say so my self
Gata love a cracked rein
this kiri was honestly really good, fun to watch! to me, i could tell that they were healbotting with a purpose, rather than just not being able to balance between damage and healing output like a lot of supports do. it was a conscious decision which massively helped, and they knew when to split it up - this was just one game outta tons!
honestly, hope this person submits smth for the 'where are they now' series in a few months, cos i could see them climbing!
As a Kiri main, it was refreshing to hear that sometimes damage just isn’t possible when your team just takes SO much damage. I’m always scared that I’m healbotting but I really don’t want my team to just die
I think a cool thing that Zens orb can do to make him feel more reliable with healing is either giving the person with orb a small damage reduction or gets a bonus to healing when being healed, extra healing.
Ugh, there's little the irritates me more in this game than teammates pushing up further than they need to and past logical choke points when the game is down to seconds left, and making what should be the last fight into a 4v5 or possibly worse. Made worse if they end up yelling at their team for not being up there with them or something when they had no reason to be that deep into enemy territory to begin with.
Had to check to make sure I wasn't the rein for most of the game
This is the kinda Rein I get in my Quickplay games JFC. . .someone really should have went Weaver on this man.
that's me in QP on Rein. sorry, but his voice lines are just too fun to spam and w key :D
@@lawliot my apologies but you are the reason I learned Weaver tbh lol.
Honestly with the amount of damage the team was taking and the way this rein played, they desperately needed a weaver tbh
There's one thing to remember:
AALRIGHT SOOO!
Without this, games are basically unwinnable and I've seen many not apply this philosophy and lose.
NOT THE DESPERATE SUZU! I feel your pain kiri
Nooo why the Rein did that at the end, this is actually sad
This made me so sad. I play all roles but mostly support, I’ve had way too many games like this
oh no… i’ve only seen the title and i’m already filled with so much pain…
after watching im now going to ask for a moment of silence for this kiriko
I KNOW this kiriko was hurting lmao
When I saw thumbnail "HEAL BOT KIRI HEAL BOT KIRI". Then i see zen with Rein in Circuit, "my bad, for saying that".
This is a typical game for supports to go through
Zen should've swapped to bap or smthn
Yes and No
-Yes as in the team could have used more healing or utility to stay alive
-No because it s everybody's job not to take a metric ton of damage, especially the shear amount of unnecessary poke damage while you have a Zenyetta.
best would be ana for mauga to stop heal
I agree Zen should've swapped but not to Bap. Maybe a Lucio for attack? Zen on defence is pretty good. Then a swap to Moira at last point hold. The amount of healing and utility to those last few fights would've been pretty immense. Not saying they played poorly, though.
@@SimplyDroog But mostly yes because you can only control yourself, not your teammates. So if you're team is taking a metric shitton of damage and will continue to do so, the onus is on you to switch if you want to maximize your chances of winning. I guarantee with a Bap or Ana their potential for victory would skyrocket this game. Granted I'm not blaming the support for not switching, more-so saying that sometimes you gotta make the sacrifice if you want to win over all else.
@@bruhvenant Fair enough, I agree that swapping increased his odds but I also understand his dilemma, that being that his was playing his role as Zen well as far as I could see( wasn't focused on him).
So in his mind it would be " I m excelling in what I m supposed to do, so if you stopping being stupid we would easily win this. Why do I have to fit my playstyle around them who don t know what they are doing and not the other way around ?"
And btw, short of playing Lifeweaver ( or maybe Lucio), most of those overly aggressive tankplays would have resulted in a 5v4 either way unfortunately. I would have swapped to LW and pulled him back to at least have a meat shield Infront of my DPS .
people gotta stop crying about the dmg and off angles as if thats the only thing you should do on support, play dynamically and use your brain to make the best out of the situation/team comp/playstyle rather than default to autopilot
This is most of my games in silver. Can’t get value out of kiri because my teammates are taking crazy damage. So, I switch to Lucio or illiari and focus on dps/kills.
are you still silver
@@haunted.h4art been silver since last few weeks. Shuffling between 3-5. But this is my first time in silver so, all good.
@@gary64864 if you wanna focus on dps/kills you should play zen, he helped me climb to plat, hes def really good in lower ranks imo
Life grip was created with this Rein in mind
Emongg you're such a nice guy. Like watching your videos make me feel happy, I'm not entirely sure why though I hope you keep being you brother!
This rein couldn’t throw harder
I've run into alot of reins like that while playing support in the metal ranks... they are crazy and they get away with just enough that if you desperately trying to keep them up they get in the shatters you need to win lol... sometimes they just feed their brains out tho, its a mixed bag
I love the way emong handles chat being a dick lol
ALRIGHT SO!
WOW! THIS WAS THE MOST INTENSE SUPPORT SPECTATING YOU'VE EVER POSTED!
There was also way more action and a lot less pausing. Please post more support games like this!
The reason i stopped playing support is that most of the time it's just glorified babysitting
Then stop healbotting.
@@azseal2669 did you not watch the video?
I've def had games like this where they make me the kiri a healbot and i basically have to use suzus just as additional heals
That rein throw at the very end
No, YOU have an amazing day slash night, Mr. Emongg.... if that IS your REAL name.
😂
I believe Rein was in a losing streak and decided to play while being clouded by frustration and anger
I can definitely look outward for blame because i critique my own gameplay as I’m playing and trying to fix my shortfalls each map rotation.
As a support main, I find myself healbotting like crazy. Not because I want to, but because I have to. Especially in metal ranks, I’ve been stuck Bronze healbotting for people who don’t bother on positioning, or backing away when low, etc. I’m just stuck babysitting. It’s not our preference, we are forced to do so. Especially when our other supports is a low heal support (Though I’m not saying don’t play Zen or Mercy, I’m saying that in comp you have to understand you won’t always be able to play what you want, especially in situations like this where Kiri was struggling to keep the whole team up)
As the mighty poko said "if you play to support trash players then you are trash"
Dont think he understands low ranks
I think seeing how fast they were building Kitsune is a great indicator of how effective their heal botting was
heartbreaking end
genuine question- at what point do you think, if any, they should have switched off Kirko to a higher healing output support or one with more survivability cooldowns such as bap?
if zen went into a lw they would've won this game the tank was feeding a little but he had very good ults, he fumbled at the end
this wouldve been my last comp game if my rein threw as hard as he did right at the end there
that reins throw play at the end has ruined my day
What I always tell tanks that soak up damage and complain that they don't get the heals they need is; if you have Supports that are good enough to bail you out of situations like that with their healing (like the Kiriko in this vid does), then imagine how much BETTER they'd do if you also minimized the damage you took in the first place. Not only would you do better in teams with with poorer Supports, but teams with great Supports that don't need to cover your ass 24/7 will get so much more value out of their kit, and could cover the rest of the team better.
In what DotA patch were they a storm support
As a one trick player for rein, this is excruciatingly painful to watch and I'm only in gold rank.
That person has a lot of off-target ults.
that rien was playing like he was still in goats meta
As a gold tank player I understand the adrenaline rush of wanting to go aggro, but there are times where you just have to shelve your ego and play the long con. Cover and disengaging when necessary and maybe even switching to make it a less stressful match. This tank took a huge L.
Poor Rein just wants to play Rein but then is met with a Mauga/Bastion/Ana :(
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i actually need to stop and reconsider my life after watching this😭
TBH I was gold/plat in OW1. In OW2 I have been from bronze 5 to Daimond 2 in support. (I blame the weird SR system they have for that) I feel like I do worse in bronze lobbies. Sometimes I honestly don't know what to do. Sometimes you can pop off and just dps the enemy team as Lucio or Moira but as a single support sometimes that is hard even in really low ranking games. So often you are stuck just hard healing the whole match. And any idiot from bronze to GM can just spam kiriko heals into the tank for 20 minutes. Its not true elo hell but it is crazy that games that that happen. I had myself believing that I was washed and belonged in bronze for a bit because that was the rank that was the hardest to climb out of in support. Once I hit silver it got easier and once I hit gold it was smooth sailing.
I think I swap off Kirko if this is my Rein and play Ana or Bap or even Moira. Anything with better HPS because that is all they were able to do, was heal.
Sounds like a usual support game :D
Especially in lower ranks lol 😂
If only the rejn just shttered and charged the mauga away so they couldn't touch with his ult
i wonder how many kitsune rushes assists this kiri had
Overwatch. Where its everyones fault but your own...
it wasn’t the kiris fault for this loss here it was that shatter rein djd at the end that lost them the game
I had a quick play game with a Zarya where she just kept pushing into the other team without waiting for our dps. Even when she would happen to roll out with the rest of us, she was overextending horrendously. I was duo'd with the other support and it literally took both of us healing only her at the same time to keep her from falling over half the time. Another time in the fight, I got the 'You saved Zarya' ping three times in a row just keeping my healing beam on her while she stood in front of the enemy team taking damage, seemingly blissfully unaware she was inches from death the whole time. We somehow managed to win the game, and she had the audacity to brag about her stats after. We should have just let her die tbh but hey, we won.
This is one of games you have as a support that make you just want to hop off for the day. So infuriating.
Ah yes, the rush into enemy spawn to die when the game is IN OUR FAVOR. Ive lost so many games this way and its infuriating because theres literally nothing you can do. People don't understand that just because theres 10-15 seconds left, doesnt mean we CANT lose the game. I hate it so much! Had rein just held the doorway and shattered, instead of being greedy and extending, imagine the amazing feel of that win. Poor kiri.
In season 10 is it even possible to heal 30k in 20 min game?
Yep. Sadly, lol it is.
the kiri wasnt bad tbh. theyre in a spot where they have to heal bot more than they'd probably like to but nonetheless my biggest tissues were the cd usage (not ults they let that blast instead of saving it w no plan which I like.) cleanse could've been saved and tp coulda been spammed more. Although my biggest issue is them attempting to escape every time. They got away with it but honestly they're plat 3 just 3 more ranks and they're not getting away with it at all and will be staggered n punished. especially the mauga ult if your team is trapped or even 2 people GET IN THERE. if its a loss in your mind instead of escaping get in there die with team don't stagger or maybe and just maybe win that fight.
im the kiri in the video. normally i can guage if i can escape or not and i do let them kill me if i can tell its better to reset. this was just one game and the enemy team just happened to be non-committal with chasing
bro saw one Antoncoco video and started queuing tank lmao
I also have a problem with heal boting especially as Mercy. But I think the Kiri did well in certain situations, but I understand the frustration.
Mercy won't survive in this meta for much longer. Hope you have some other favourite picks.
@@allstar4065 oh I know. I’m only good at Mercy and Lucio. I’m only good at the other supports during event games.
I got ~50k healing in a QP open queue once using Lifeweaver/Moira. It's what happens when all your teammates decide to play tank.
I think it would have been a great comp for something like an Ana instead
the commnity NEEDS to heal from the brainrot of perma dpsing supports ISTG. the amount of people saying do damage is insane. what is a kiriko going to 1v5 against that team if she didnt heal them?
unranked to GMs perma dmg carry only work because you know who is smurfing against much lower player Elos when you are actually playing people at the same skill level you ave to sustain your team
Heal botting doesn’t help anything either buddy
@@lamarpalmer25i agree heal bot dont help either but this game just throw so much damage and all cc at tank and keeping it alive is essential but not all players will stop over extend because they like to kill. In overwatch 1 i main ana and my most heal per match is like 11-12k most of the time i dps and mind u there were 2 tanks to keep alive compared to this one big raid boss lol
@@lamarpalmer25 we found them guys patient zero. You are aware akward tells you to keep your team alive then do damage? right? if she didnt heal they would instantly lose the fight point blank periodt. him doing the job of SUPPORTING the team alllowed them to win SEVERAL fights they should have lost. those kunais were not going to 1v5 the entire enemy team if she let them die. stop being delulu
@@neyo231did they win the game? NO. Just like most heal bots. Hold back there team instead of helping kill enemies
@@lamarpalmer25 they would have lost the game much sooner. Omg please your brainrot is terminal i have nothing i can do for you. There is no universe in which kiriko would have carried 1v9 against that team even when piloted by akward. get some help
thw way i woukld cry if this game happened to me bruh
Let's Goooooo Fam
I saw a comment "I'm plat and I don't play like this". Oh but you do. You do play like the rank you're in unless you're climbing or falling.
bro watching this was disgusting, Jesus christ !!! how can a tank be so stupid, and not using walls 4 protection?!?!? this game was a typical one at plat
And any rank below as well at times.
2 types of Reins
Support in silver Is just so teammates at 25% HP every game
when you see this its not kiriko fault its more like comp issues
rein vs mauga isnt good
so its a tank diff it happens
kiriko and ana is S tier for support ppl dont realize or what
I’m sorry but the things I would say to that rein would get me banned from the game
Live with no regrets
ALRIGHT SO
Chat is extra dumb if they think you always need DPS. Those numbers are meaningless without context. Anyone who looks to the scoreboard for all their info is brain dead.
Damn she only died once on attack. Good positioning. What rank is this? Looks diamond maybe
Rein would have carried if mitigation gave ult charge.
i hope the rein see this
gg rein
ALLLRIGHT SOOO
I looked through the comments and was like wow this player musta done great but no they're a healbot, might as well have swapped to moira or lifeweaver at that point if you're gonna healbot this hard
i think i played this well. i hate the mindset of "healbot" just because i played the way my team needed. If i played any other support, I still would have had to focus heals just as much or if i would have tried to focus on more dps my rein would not have existed
With how much damage the team is taking, Moira would have lost resources and struggle to recharge it and keep up with heals. Lifeweaver's slow healing output would have struggled as well (the pull would probably help in some occasions but it's most likely not enough). Looking at the state of the team all match, they probably would have to healbot no matter what hero they are in anyway. It's at the point where if they look away for even a second, someone dies due to the constant damage.