King Harold: The Rise And Fall of The Last Anglo Saxon King | Fact of Fiction | Absolute History
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- Опубликовано: 25 июн 2024
- Tony Robinson reveals the real story behind the last great Anglo Saxon king. Far from being just the loser at the Battle of Hastings, Harold was a charismatic leader.
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Love what he described at the end, how William’s new order of things created a huge gap between the nobles and the people that still is something of a thing today. Hadn’t thought of it like that.
@Private Citizen Who are you referring to? Harthacnut certainly didn't and that's Edwards 'Viking half brother'. Both he and Cnut elevated English and did the opposite of what the bastard duke did, that is settling his own people in English seats. Godwin is just one of the many who were bumped up the rankings higher than their pre Cnut status allowed them.
You're talking clap trap.
@Private Citizen No you go away. You're another of these who has scant knowledge of a subject and is too stupid to learn from his error. But fear not, I have no intention of trying to converse with somebody so ignorant and pigheaded to facts, so unless you offer another cowardly retort I shall bother you know further.
@Private Citizen And out come the 'I am infuriated' caps lock. You haven't a clue what you're talking about. Well, from the first sentence I read anyway. I'm not being shouted by someone beneath my educational standing. Bloody idiot.
I always cheered for Harold to win.
He was a man to admire, strong and athletic, good looking, and had leadership ability.
I'm descended from William 1st though, so I feel conflicted.
I loathe William's spite in the harrying of the north.
Narcissists still abound in my family, 30+ generations later.
Do you have a photograph of Harold ?
It does not matter what the subject is, Tony makes it interesting.
So true!
If he writes the scripts, then He is being selective with the Historical facts, particularly with regard to the Battle of Hastings and the location of that battle.
I also seem to recollect, him, whilst presenting a Time Team special, sitting on a bench at the road side of a round about at Battle, telling viewers that quite possibibly, Harold may well be buried under said round about! A far cry from the great slab where, in this production, he claims the same circumstance!!!!
I’d listen with rapt attention to Tony reading the dictionary.
Have been watching quite few 'vids' about the Battle of Hastings recently and there is compelling evidence that the battle was actually fought at Crowhurst, which is about 3 miles south of Battle Abbey. Anyone interested in this should look up Nick Austin and his very extensive research that he & his team have carried out on the battle over the years; it will make you question the standard history books version of events.
swerve1960 totally sold on the Crowhurst theory, has a lot of substance and research backing it up. Grew up in Sussex and the common thread of thought that it was always 'down the road' from Battle not Battle itself. HoweverI don't think English Heritage would ever even open up the conversation, too much invested in the current location.
1066 The Movie still awaits us. Just imagine though the very best of British actors with a top director...
Spielberg, Ridley Scott, James Cameron....
The story itself is so fascinating leading up to the invasion and the battle.
Deception, intrigue, blackmail, betrayal, bravery, privilege and domination.
Who could play the characters...?
Edward The Confessor : Ian McKellon, Michael Gambon, Jeremy Irons, Charles Dance, Hugh Laurie.
King Harold : Tom Hiddleston, Daniel Craig, Dan Stevens, Christian Bale, Linus Roache.
William The Conquer : Gary Oldman, Tom Hardy, Jason Issacs, Rhys Ifans, Damian Lewes.
In the right hands this would make such a brilliant film.
And no doubt, the Facts would become, even More skewed !
@@anthonytaylor9232 not if the Brits were running the show! Any suggestions on Brit actors in the roles?
@@steveoshow4832 You really have to be kidding me!
The 'Brits' can't even accept that Battle Abbey, most certainly is not the actual site of the Battle.
As Always, Money, and the making thereof, is of paramount importance. What has been allowed to happen over the years, is beyond shamefull. The time of Real Investigative Journalists, and their existance, like the Dodo, are No More!
" Don't let the Facts get in the way of a Good Story"!
@@anthonytaylor9232 you misunderstood me, I actually meant the Brits running and making the film.
I know you area well (I’m a Sussex boy) and some locals believe the battle was actually down the road at Crowhurst. From the research I’ve read I believe the same.
A great king and a great nationalist. He deserved a better fate. It would be interesting to see Bernard Cornwell write a novel entitled "1066."
"The Normans weren't French at all.." might be true but William had 16 second-great grandparents: 13 were French and 3 were Norman. However 'the Norman invasion of 1066' is much less grating to English sensibilities than "the French invasion of 1066."
Firstly, the fact that the Norman aristocracy was very heavily French is not a secret. Most people with any interest in history know they all spoke French, often married French and that some kings like Richard Lionheart scarcely set foot on England. Secondly, the 'French-ness' of the Plantagenets is one of those facts that pop-history (by English and non-English people alike) play-up when and where it suits them. Scottish, English and French takes on the period all tend to portray the Plantagenets as 'English' in support of different patriotic narratives. Mel Gibson certainly couldn't have indulged his weird anti-English kick so easily if he'd had Edward I and his son speaking French, nor could Joan of Arc be portrayed as a valiant symbol of French nationalism if the Hundred Years War was essentially a French-on-French dynastic squabble.
Merry Machiavelli good points. I believe the aristocracy didn’t even start speaking English in general until Edward III?🤔
I'm English,it doesn't bother me much that some norman/french people invaded a thousand years ago.Yeah culturally they were french and yes maybe bloodwise heavily french but it wasn't a Capet who carried out the invasion.The dukes of Normandy would regularly go to war with the Kings of France and eventually the Normans would lose their power and their native Norman homelands and be left with England,the land they stole in 1066 .
@brian
The Normans were distinct from the French, in that the Duchy of Normandy was a vassal of the French king.
Matilda of Flanders was a granddaughter of the King of France, but the family made a distinction that she was not French, per se.
Things were a lot more 'tribal' at that time.
Normans wouldn't have described themselves as French, just as in later centuries Eleanor of Aquitaine didn't consider herself French until she married King Louis.
Tony is bacc!
Brilliant!
Thank you for sharing this.
I remember seeing Tony Robinson's 'Fact or Fiction' on TV and wished that I could see episodes of it again.
Here it is now in my playlist 😁
Simple pleasures!
I need someone to command this important military frontier. Who should I give the post to? Robert the Mighty? No. Stephen the Brave? No no no. I shall appoint..... Ralph the Timid!
I'm American and yet I cannot get enough of English history. And Tony is still as cute as he was way back when he entertaining us with turnips and burning dictionaries.
I've always wondered why Harold did not use Tostig's abandoned boats at York to travel south to Hastings after the battle at Stamford Bridge
Wind directions....
Tony is an awesome history teacher eh?
Great documentary!
Agreed!
"Harold's hidden history". Hmm, he has hilarious homilies.
Well done.
Amazing alliteration achieved!
tbh i listened to the whole video because voice was so soothing
Can we get reperations from Normandy for the loss of culture?
Doubt it....Native Americans have yet to get reparations from European countries for the loss of their culture and a genocide, but good luck bro. You’ll honestly probably get it first lol 😂
Ask Boris et al
In the process, try to get some reparations from the Romans too.. and the Vikings...
You anglo-saxons should first pay réparations to the Real britons (today's inhabitants of french britanny), because you stole their land and expelled them from the island.
@@rolyatyobillys4138 So, Europeans genocided "Native Americans" yet there are still "Native Americans" to demand reparations!
Great show.
Agreed!
Commercials every 5 minutes? I may as well be watching TV.
Christian Patriot I never had any adds... however I do have premium RUclips... it is worth $15.00 a month for no adds....
you should try it....
You pay a lot less for youtube and unlike cable can choose which channels you like
“Fear not my Lord, I have a cunning plan”
That's what I keep hearing when I hear his voice.
Harold must have known that chances of William invading were great when he travelled north to fight the Viking invaders at York.
I have watched a 90 minute documentary film called History of the British Police Force. On RUclips.
Its told by Brain Cox.
It begins with dating back to a thousand years ago.
Anglo Saxon Kings who ruled over Britain.
Baldrick documentaries are the best documentaries
The ads though...
I love this guy lol❤❤❤
I still love David Crowthers' "Billy the conk" . Long live the history of England podcast!
Harold should have marched north to meet Hardrata, but then retreat without giving battle so he could lure the Norwegian south. The Frog Bastard would have gotten impatient eventually and once he was in England Harold could have gone back and forth until both sets of invaders were fighting each other.
Interesting battle strategy.
Where my family last name came from . Interesting
I have heard about this story since i was a kid ,as it is a family story, I dont know if its real family story but makes a family history interesting .
@K C Jones I'm a Godwin and we got told this as well.
Goodwin comes from the name Godwin, as far as I'm aware it was a pronunciation thing in different areas, but all Godwin and Goodwins are related if you go back far enough... as are we all....
I laughed at 47:00 " native English "
My sir name is Goodwin. Do you reckon it's a variation on Godwin?
Ads every 5 minutes, and volume doubled? Never again shall I watch 'Absolute History'!
Not for me, advert free!
Luvinit
I had no adds in the entire presentation... RUclips Premium is $15.00 a month ..... no adds.... you should try it
@@richardnorthcutt1462 I've not got premium.
@@12389Law Nice - good to know!
Why were we toldcat school that although history tells us he was shot in the eye, a la the bayeaux tapestry, he was actually killed with a sword?
Should Harold have tried to bargain with Tostig-land for joining forces to topple William? Or at least once defeated should he have recruited Tostigs defeated survivors?
too bad the audio is so low!
I liked watching him on the horse pretend fighting. Yes!
I have to watch this for school who else?
The reason for his mistake of 1064: hostages - according to mr Robinson? No, read magazine Medieval Warfare, special edition on Battle of Hastings, 2017 , my article How do you become a King? Harold went for his own chances. Diplomacy in Flanders and France, to gain support against his brother Tostig and against Edward, who preferred his younger brother. See also my article 'A mission he bore - to Duke William he came': Harold Godwineson's Commentum and his covert ambitions". Historical Research. 89 (246): 591-612.
Man Harold got that cake
Search The Anglo Saxon Mission- explained by Bill Ryan.
King Harold Godwinsson II is my 30th Grandfather. We are back... 1066 2024
Great video but whats with the low volume and frequent adds? Anyhow, onya Baldric.
Ford Prefect
I did not have one add in the entire video....
I don't know that Edward NEEDED someone to bad-mouth the Godwin clan: I get he had to make friends since having them on-side was essential ro claiming his throne, but do you need someone talking smack in order to have a bad opinion of the guy who killed your little brother? As the years went by, and Edward and Edith had no children for whatever reason, the knowledge that, were it not for Godwin, Alfred would have been alive to succeed Edward and carry on the House of Wessex, must have made things so much worse.
William consulted with the Pope and got permission - how much time went by for this? It can be told in a couple seconds, but must have taken ages. The Romans had their signaling system that required visual connection and a courier system. 1066 may not have had that anymore. How did this William-Pope communication work?
Or did they have some way of telling each other to slow down and wait to get an answer from the Pope?
This is Europe, not Japan. Nobody worried about only fighting people of their own social class. When we took the ideological partisan whipped up details out, what remains? On both sides?
We don't know
Weren't the Danes, angles, Normans all Vikings ?
Yes
Sort of
Now they are Barretts and Roberts running military and medicine.fun eh?
Swein-Swindon ?
Yes
Murphy
Sea warrior
The Godwins were exiled. To where?
Some will might ended up in Constantinople as their younger male members entered the Varangian Guard. We know that by the time of the First Crusade (30 years give of take later) there were more English Varangians than Skandies. Alternatively others including the real heir, Edgar Ætheling ended up in Malcolm's (killer of Macbeth) Scotland as his sister was the Queen. Later his descendants end in Hungary due to a dynastic marriage. I guess some folks didn't really know what a total arse kicking bastard, William the Bastard really was and figured the descendants of Alfred had a chance........................as Don would say "Sad!"
He couldn't of cost that much in gold,seemed like ther was nothing left.
repeated 23 sep 2013
Saxons, Vikings, Normans. Same people.
A stones throw genetically and in spirit from the Esau/Estonians.
@@azraelblick4117 are you callings the Anglo-Saxons Esau?
Anglo Saxons treated The Celts far more harmful, brutal, hostile, aggressive, aggrevative, or ferocious then the Norman's treated the Anglo Saxons themselves yeah
Police
thirst.
:- )
King Edward was gay. His fault that there was no heir.
Last great king? You're just pissed because that opportunist got replaced by a french lord
He wasn't French, he was descended from Vikings.
@@marylouise2207i know, it was rollony. But between 911 and 1066 there was 5 générations, each time french blood mixed with what remained. So basically, he had mostly french genes (except Y chromosome of course)
Plus he was linguistically and culturaly french, that's why only french language was spoken in english royal court for 250 years (thanks also to the plantagenets).