Pellet Precisions should get shot package. They feel so inconsistent. I'd rather two tap with lightweights. Lightweight vs Aggressive has a nice balance currently in my opinion. Of course in trials aggressives will be better but lightweights have a ton of advantages in 6s.
bungie should make big maps without any small room, corners etc so that shotguns will be almost useless on that map and if others still want to use shotty, they can just play smaller maps.
I think we don't need so many dang archetypes. Is there a need for rapid fire or precision pellet shotguns? Would anyone care if they were distributed accordingly throughout lightweights and aggressives?
@@SvenPeppers really? I was honestly under the impression slugs and aggressives were dominant in pve, with the cqc being useful for warmind cells (even though felwinters can make them as well).
Just wanted to let you know you accidentally put a sniper on this list. It's a common mistake but just in case someone isn't familiar with the chaperone, I thought I'd correct this gross misinformation
My most recent video is actually pretty close for the behemoth build; I now run tectonic+howl to snag 4 fragments, then my entire game is played around crystals and the chains/rime fragments. It's unfortunately pretty slow to play that way so I think I'll have more fun on striker/hammer but it's incredibly powerful still, I just can't be *as* aggressive as I used to hahaha
the Toil and Trouble that Banshee was selling last week with Range MW, Full Choke, Slideshot and Snap is actually damn nice. It made me put down Astral and CQC for the first time. Love the firing sound and sights on it.
Sojourner's has actually been my main shotty in the energy slot. I think, kind of like snipers, slug shotguns are really subjective in terms of feel, and Sojo feels *awesome* to me. I have Tunnel vision & Opening Shot on mine and I've completely fallen in love with it.
I have fallen hard for lightweights this season. Because the handling is so good that you don’t need quickdraw, you can afford to take slideways/shot. I value that perk extremely highly and have made some crazy plays that I never could have without it, blasting down titan barricades and chasing down revive trains in Trials.
I think a playstyle where you do the HC shot switch to Shotgun to finish off, CQC and Riiswalker get a bit better, because of their really high handling (and QD).
Great overview! While I disagree on one or two placements, I can see your reasoning behind it. Especially the duality - I have been playing a little bit with it lately and this thing has amazing potential for plays, if you know how to pull it of. I will be maining this thing, it’s a lot of fun and enables a very rewarding playstyle. Keep the content rolling, great vid!
Hey, i just wanted to say that on the Riiswalker...I have one with: 1 Rifled barrel 2 Accurized rounds 3 Quickdraw 4 Iron reach And a masterwork of range (total is 96 range) Maybe you right about range, but, telling the truth, you feel that is different when you have your stats at more of 90 compare to the other ones with 84... The shotgun i have is a totally monster, try to get it, is very good shotgun.
Great video! Good point about the low aim assist on the FILO and Sunshot. As each new weapon is released in the same archetype, they seem to receive a higher aim assist stat. I'm guessing it's to make them appear crispier and to counter in game latency.
So I figured out what the deal is with slug gun aim assist. There are actually two categories (like sub-archetypes) of slug shotgun. The first and more common has low aim assist and high handling. This includes Sojourner's, Gunnora's, Unification, and Good Bone Structure. The other has much higher aim assist with lower handling. These are Bonechiller and Blasphemer. Check it out in light.gg or d2 gunsmith. This also explains why Heritage is so cracked. It has better handling than all the high handling types and better aim assist than all the low handling types. It also has really high base range. The perks aren't as good, but the absolutely insane base stats make up for it.
I really love all your tier list videos! I do hope you'll make an updated tier list for shot guns this year! Other than that, keep up the great content!
Um, frankly, Seventh Sheraph should at least be an A tier as you can get incredible handling (quickdraw, snapshot), its rate of fire allows to easily outshoot Flewinter’s Lie in the case of an enemy missing the first shot or executing shot+mele combo, and overall you can miss a shot and easily do a follow up shot unlike Found Verdict nor Flewinter’s...
In lieu of threat detector, moving target is pretty helpful for mitigating the low AA. Sojourners tale, apart from maybe Duality with its catalyst, is b.i.s for energy slugs. To boot, it’s also hyper-easy to farm for.
Ive been using lightweights for the past few months. I like them the most. They feel so good and I have had zero performance drop off stat-wise while using them.
It would be great if you went over the top two tiers at the end of the vid or added the ranking into the time stamps (Being a newer player the icons of the guns don't help too much, and now I gotta go back though the vid to see what was up top again). Thanks for the vid!
Yo castle hear me out, xenoclast is super hard to get the roll you want but I managed to get one with killing wind and it’s actually really good with that perk. If I end up getting the roll I want I’ll definitely preach about it to you if it’s any good haha I think it has the potential to be on the same level as riiswalker or retold.
@@Zetsua I got one with full choke, accursed rounds, pulse monitor, swashbuckler and it is a monster the one hit distance shocked my friend who uses felwinters
i have one with field prep(wish would be slide-shot/ways) and doublepunch seems kinda stupid to run with it in pvp until you realize you can shot punch a titan out of his bubble also even if you miss some shots the increased melee dmg allows to shot punch anyway as long as you hit half your shots because of 150 melee's
Really well produced vid! I was wondering if threat detector on an old astral is better than surplus and would you say a Snapshot Quickdraw full choke mindbenders is s+ tier
depends what your playstyle is honestly, but yes threat detector is crazy strong within 15m of someone (wallah made a nice video on it with toil & trouble)
I got an astral that has: Full choke/rifled barrel Accurized rounds/assault mag Slide shot Opening shot Stability master work However I feel like it has no range at all and I'm barely getting 1 shot kills with this. Ishtar app says with full choke on the range is 43. But when you talk about range at the riiswalker timestamp, I'm now guessing I'm just not consistent with this shotgun maybe?
Yeah, I came here to say I disagree with everything and you always provide these really useless videos. This is why I subbed to keep telling you this./s Also I heard you are planning on making a podcast with Pattycakes and Apathetic and I really look forward to it.
I agree with all of your choices except sojuns tale one... i have quickdraw and opening shot with max range and that shit helped me 1v3 in trials many times... i'd say its higher than cold shotgun from europa, imo but great vid anyway. ima try out a few of these As and Ses :D
For first in last out, i'd like to add that if you really want to try using a slug shotty without the pain of aiming for the head, get one with opening shot and hip fire grip. so long as your hipfire circle of the shotgun has the enemy's head in it, 8 out of 10 times the game will just count it as a headshot and give you the kill. It's one of my favorite fun gun when I want to mess around.
how would you rank the Python? I've been looking for a new interesting shotgun that isn't Felwinters, Riiswalker, or Duality while also looking for that nice thin look that a few other shotguns like the Mindbenders ambition has(I don't have one RIP) and I'm thinking of getting the Python from the kiosk once I get another 10,000 or so glimmer
It's a good feeling shotgun and if you're really close, it actually kills surprisingly reliably. The main problem is that it just doesn't have very good range.
@@eggsdee9407 oh yea definitely its range is its biggest flaw, but I use bottom tree striker with one-two punch on Python so I find a ton of synergy and success with it.
Very Good material! Only thing I would add about Duality is that when You reload, You reload full mag with one animation, not one round per animation which makes it even better!
i actually prefer lightweight frame over aggressive, cqc's been my fav even iduring last 2 seasons when felwinter's rule. The mobility boost is just so noticeable and i'm so used to be fast as f running around with a shoty. xD
Just noticed this whenever you talked the slugs, and just wanted to mention this if others haven't. There is 2 types of slugs, and you can tell if you look at the stats.....there's the high base handling, low Aim Assist variants (Filo, Sojourner), and the low handling, high aim assist variants (Blasmpher, sorta Heritage ig, Bonechiller)
For me I'll always keep my Retold Tale with quickdraw + snapshot and a handling masterwork. I even put the bugged Adept Range mod onto it if that does anything!
Tough to say. I *really* like assault mag cause of the 10RPM on an already decently fast firing shotgun for sure, just wish that roll had range MW instead. Honestly though J you can’t go wrong with either. Go with your gut. I think the (18?) range difference will hurt you for the 2-tapping at further distances.
The FiLo is a sleeper. If you have one with hipfire grip and opening shot, and play mnk, throw on a freehand mod and just never ADS. With the recent buff to the hipfire perk it's...generous.
this video is from perspective of a console player so the slug rankings are messed up, for me on pc the legendaries are blasphemer and filo at S tier and the rest B tier and exotics all S tier
I think another reason why people think there's a range cap on shotguns is that both me and my buddy got a riiswalker with iron reach and almost the same roll, he got a range masterwork and i got stability, he maxed out his masterworked stat and it didn't increase, and when we both looked on DIM at our respective shotguns, they were both 86 range. My roll is rifled barrel, accurized rounds, surplus, and iron reach. If you can clarify as to how thats not a range cap, like say iron reach caps your shotgun range at 86, that would be much appreciated.
Hmm that seems odd. There’s definitely no range cap like the one you’re mentioning - can you check out d2gunsmith.com and compare your 2 rolls? They should help show the true range differences. Some barrels add range.
@@CastleContent he must have had one of the mags that don't boost range, because we both had rifled barrel, surplus and iron reach, i have accurized rounds and he has a range masterwork, i have a stability masterwork. We only compared our shotguns after he maxed out his masterwork, so we thought that the "range cap" was a thing
I think you did sojourners very dirty. For me it is S-tier. the sights are super clean and i have a threat detector (crazy handling) / opening shot and i love it. i main it, and love it. its just a beast, idk what it is with the sights but i just feel i hit targets easiers with it. heritage i also like, but i hate the sights on it, just a massive red square for sights, dont like that
I actually agree with you. It was the ONE shotgun I didn’t get enough time with because it was brand new and snuck into the video. While I think my points remain valid on it at base, I will totally admit that the TD+OS roll is unbelievable.
Challenge video for you, my 11 year old son loves using Bows in PvP, without quick swapping to HC for kills. I challenge you to a PvP Bow tier list video.
So I have a riiswalker with QuickDraw and swashbuckler but i want a good shotgun in the energy slot so I can use my ace or anything in the kinetic slot. What shotgun is a good replacement for that?
I have the "God roll retrofurst"..rifle or barrel shroud, accurized, quick draw, snap shot range master work Feels good, but you have to play it knowing it's a 2 tap at range, which makes you weak to smgs, side arms or a good slug user Kept it just incase bungie buffs that archetype My raid shotty has snapshot w/ fluted barrel 80 handling with snap shot, might as well be quick draw
My quickdraw/snapshot, full choke,aqurized rounds and handling mw Mindbenders has emerged back from the depths of my vault again. Since the quickdraw change it's the only agressive with the perk left in the game and even in it's nerfed state it's still amazing, esp with the handling mw which used to be completely wasted. My quickdraw/slideshot one is also good but since the qd nerf I'm preferring snapshot and because it couldn't roll opening shot I feel it's the best perk in slot. It's great in everything but Trials and IB, which is most of the pvp modes in the game but is especially amazing for comp since apparently nobody kept one as I haven't seen a single other Mindbenders this season. I wonder if it was an oversight by Bungie since it can still be used in most pvp modes. Also there's no Scorn champions and because the normal nightfalls have been removed in lieu of only ordeals the Mindbendees isn't available anymore.
I have a fullbore, assault mag, quickdraw, opening shot, and range mw blasphemer which was very nice before the quickdraw nerf and still quite nice afterwards. I've been going for a sojourner's tale with fluted barrel, accurized/assault mag, threat detector, opening shot, and a range mw but have only gotten threat detector opening shot on one so far. The lack of a full godroll on my sojourner still feels better than my godroll blasphemer now and before the quickdraw nerf even with substantially less aim assist. I'm the kind of freak though who doesn't like chaperone because of its sights so I don't know how much my word is to be trusted
Retrofuturist with Rifled Barrel, Assault Mag, Quickdraw, Trench Barrel, and a Range Masterwork is my most consistent shotgun out of all of my "God Roll" shotties.
Elemental Capacitor on an Astral Horizon while using Arc classes (Chaos Reach) is a sleeper. I have one with Slideshot, EC, Accurized, Range MW, and either Rifled or Corkscrew (Cork preferred) Range: 54 Handling: 87 Seriously. Try it out. It's pretty much quickdraw all the time with a Dexterity mod. Yes, I am losing out on Opening Shot here, but honestly that handling just feels too incredible to not consider.
Riiswalker with slide shot+ iron reach+full choke and assault mag is godly imo. Can easily one shot from good ranges, but can follow up with a second shot very quickly if needs be
hello memer here use Mask of Bakris and 4th Horseman, did it in Iron Banner, had lots of fun do recommend if you wanna change your loadout from Found Verdict
Unrelated but I’ve seen vids on the relationship between shotgun consistency taking into account their respective range/accuracy stats as well as pellet spread, but have not seen anything that takes into account the aim assist stat. If there is a vid on it I haven’t found it yet but if not that might be an interesting topic just an idea
If you get a prophet of doom with rampage I found that it’s a beast in the crucible. I dismantled it for the one reason that I got a god roll found verdict and riiswalker. But I enjoyed it whenever I decided I didn’t wanna use astral or felwinters
I’m surprised about FWL not being S, it is the most consistent shotgun in the game for 1 hit kills at 8m and isn’t as limited by pellet spread like astral and found verdict
I have a Retold Tale with Full choke + Accurized rounds + Snapshot sights + Quickdraw and a handling masterwork. I love it, even though I prefer to use snipers.
►OTHER TIER LISTS:
Fusion Rifles: ruclips.net/video/rpQ3IDFfye4/видео.html
Hunter Exotics: ruclips.net/video/p5BppBBXorA/видео.html
SMGs: ruclips.net/video/bzyzx-xFVjM/видео.html
Titan Armor: ruclips.net/video/O6q1w6LZMDI/видео.html
Pellet Precisions should get shot package. They feel so inconsistent. I'd rather two tap with lightweights. Lightweight vs Aggressive has a nice balance currently in my opinion. Of course in trials aggressives will be better but lightweights have a ton of advantages in 6s.
bungie should make big maps without any small room, corners etc so that shotguns will be almost useless on that map and if others still want to use shotty, they can just play smaller maps.
I think we don't need so many dang archetypes. Is there a need for rapid fire or precision pellet shotguns? Would anyone care if they were distributed accordingly throughout lightweights and aggressives?
@@ShutchyerLips those two archetypes are usually better in PvE to be fair
@@SvenPeppers really? I was honestly under the impression slugs and aggressives were dominant in pve, with the cqc being useful for warmind cells (even though felwinters can make them as well).
Here to make sure Duality was shown proper respect. Was not disappointed 👍
Ehhh! The more I use it the more I love it sir.
duality gang
Same but for chaperone 🤝
I’m here to check the chaperone rating
Chappy is better but I like Dual because its in the energy slot.
Just wanted to let you know you accidentally put a sniper on this list. It's a common mistake but just in case someone isn't familiar with the chaperone, I thought I'd correct this gross misinformation
lolololol
great video Castle! I love the awkward duality at the end haha!
Awesome video! I agree Duality has an incredibly high skill ceiling if you learn how to use it well
Wait a min. Your an imposter pattycakes.
@@yoitsmunchies thats his 2nd channel
The warning at the start was hilarious LOL
Also, this was a massive video dude. Insane work for real
Your delivery is amazing. Great info easy to follow and understand. Top tier Destiny YT right here.
Thank you Aaron!!
Ayy nice one, can we get a Updated Titan Build? because of the stasis nerf, we would like your opinion on the matter.
My most recent video is actually pretty close for the behemoth build; I now run tectonic+howl to snag 4 fragments, then my entire game is played around crystals and the chains/rime fragments. It's unfortunately pretty slow to play that way so I think I'll have more fun on striker/hammer but it's incredibly powerful still, I just can't be *as* aggressive as I used to hahaha
Code of the juggernaut all day for me
@@CastleContent thanks a lot for the heads up.
@@riddheedutta3984 I recommend cammy cakes’ behemoth build video think it might be cool
Which subclass do you mean by hammer? Bottom tree solar? Orrrrr something else haha
the Toil and Trouble that Banshee was selling last week with Range MW, Full Choke, Slideshot and Snap is actually damn nice. It made me put down Astral and CQC for the first time. Love the firing sound and sights on it.
Sojourner's has actually been my main shotty in the energy slot. I think, kind of like snipers, slug shotguns are really subjective in terms of feel, and Sojo feels *awesome* to me. I have Tunnel vision & Opening Shot on mine and I've completely fallen in love with it.
I have the opening shot moving target roll and it is a beast! I use it more than my Duality! Love the sites on it too!!
I have fallen hard for lightweights this season. Because the handling is so good that you don’t need quickdraw, you can afford to take slideways/shot. I value that perk extremely highly and have made some crazy plays that I never could have without it, blasting down titan barricades and chasing down revive trains in Trials.
at 11:29 loved it when you went that extra mile and used pictures to explain, makes things way easier to understand.
Thanks! If you catch my other videos you’ll come to learn I love my chalk board 😅
I think a playstyle where you do the HC shot switch to Shotgun to finish off, CQC and Riiswalker get a bit better, because of their really high handling (and QD).
Great overview! While I disagree on one or two placements, I can see your reasoning behind it. Especially the duality - I have been playing a little bit with it lately and this thing has amazing potential for plays, if you know how to pull it of. I will be maining this thing, it’s a lot of fun and enables a very rewarding playstyle.
Keep the content rolling, great vid!
“It shoots even faster than when i don’t wear a..” this hit close to home lmao
😂
Only because you asked, it’s pronounced “dee-uh-side” and means the killing of a god.
damn, im surprised this hasnt been picked up by the edgelords yet
Hey, i just wanted to say that on the Riiswalker...I have one with:
1 Rifled barrel
2 Accurized rounds
3 Quickdraw
4 Iron reach
And a masterwork of range (total is 96 range)
Maybe you right about range, but, telling the truth, you feel that is different when you have your stats at more of 90 compare to the other ones with 84...
The shotgun i have is a totally monster, try to get it, is very good shotgun.
I haven’t watched the video yet but I agree, Castle. 🤣
haha!
Great video! Good point about the low aim assist on the FILO and Sunshot. As each new weapon is released in the same archetype, they seem to receive a higher aim assist stat. I'm guessing it's to make them appear crispier and to counter in game latency.
So I figured out what the deal is with slug gun aim assist. There are actually two categories (like sub-archetypes) of slug shotgun. The first and more common has low aim assist and high handling. This includes Sojourner's, Gunnora's, Unification, and Good Bone Structure. The other has much higher aim assist with lower handling. These are Bonechiller and Blasphemer. Check it out in light.gg or d2 gunsmith.
This also explains why Heritage is so cracked. It has better handling than all the high handling types and better aim assist than all the low handling types. It also has really high base range. The perks aren't as good, but the absolutely insane base stats make up for it.
Love this type of content. I subbed a while back and every time i come back i am met with a very good video. keep it up. (for the algarithmmmmm)
Thanks!
I really love all your tier list videos! I do hope you'll make an updated tier list for shot guns this year! Other than that, keep up the great content!
I hope to eventually yep
Um, frankly, Seventh Sheraph should at least be an A tier as you can get incredible handling (quickdraw, snapshot), its rate of fire allows to easily outshoot Flewinter’s Lie in the case of an enemy missing the first shot or executing shot+mele combo, and overall you can miss a shot and easily do a follow up shot unlike Found Verdict nor Flewinter’s...
Totally agree. I have one with Corkscrew/Accurized/Quickdraw/Snapshot and Handling MW. It's a beast.
Try out a Sojourner’s with threat detector and opening shot or killing wind. Might change your mind just a little bit
it rolls with quickdraw tho
In lieu of threat detector, moving target is pretty helpful for mitigating the low AA.
Sojourners tale, apart from maybe Duality with its catalyst, is b.i.s for energy slugs. To boot, it’s also hyper-easy to farm for.
I've been waiting for this
this video was so good bro, need to hit that bell for more in the future
Thank you!!
First in last out may have low aim assist, but with opening shot it genuinely feels fairly good.
Yeah I have an opening shot slideshow roll and I love it
Yeah that tends to happen.
Castle: Im gonna make a shotgun review
Bungie: That's cute........now do it again
Lolol
Love how u start the video immediately, no bs just to the point
Haha yeah I’m working on shorter intros and outros where possible!
Appreciate all the detail provided. Are back to review choices again
Ive been using lightweights for the past few months. I like them the most. They feel so good and I have had zero performance drop off stat-wise while using them.
It would be great if you went over the top two tiers at the end of the vid or added the ranking into the time stamps (Being a newer player the icons of the guns don't help too much, and now I gotta go back though the vid to see what was up top again).
Thanks for the vid!
Yo castle hear me out, xenoclast is super hard to get the roll you want but I managed to get one with killing wind and it’s actually really good with that perk. If I end up getting the roll I want I’ll definitely preach about it to you if it’s any good haha I think it has the potential to be on the same level as riiswalker or retold.
Sam actually. I got surplus killing wind and i swear it kills farther than a cqc sometimes
@@Zetsua I got one with full choke, accursed rounds, pulse monitor, swashbuckler and it is a monster the one hit distance shocked my friend who uses felwinters
i have one with field prep(wish would be slide-shot/ways) and doublepunch seems kinda stupid to run with it in pvp until you realize you can shot punch a titan out of his bubble also even if you miss some shots the increased melee dmg allows to shot punch anyway as long as you hit half your shots because of 150 melee's
@@voidcommando7574 jezus you must just piss off bubbles in trials if it works that way
I'm a couple days late, but honestly one of the most informative vids i've seen since the quickdraw nerf. really well done
Thanks Mitchell!
Really well produced vid! I was wondering if threat detector on an old astral is better than surplus and would you say a Snapshot Quickdraw full choke mindbenders is s+ tier
depends what your playstyle is honestly, but yes threat detector is crazy strong within 15m of someone (wallah made a nice video on it with toil & trouble)
I just found you’re channel and I’m in love.
I got an astral that has:
Full choke/rifled barrel
Accurized rounds/assault mag
Slide shot
Opening shot
Stability master work
However I feel like it has no range at all and I'm barely getting 1 shot kills with this.
Ishtar app says with full choke on the range is 43. But when you talk about range at the riiswalker timestamp, I'm now guessing I'm just not consistent with this shotgun maybe?
I really enjoyed this video. Thanks for the work that you put into it.
My pleasure!
Very thorough. Great work. Good info.
Thanks Allan!
Love the video man
with all the changes to aggresives, it seems like other archetypes have become more popular. would you say that precisions or lightweights are better?
Yeah, I came here to say I disagree with everything and you always provide these really useless videos. This is why I subbed to keep telling you this./s Also I heard you are planning on making a podcast with Pattycakes and Apathetic and I really look forward to it.
Lol why do I feel like this is Brave
@@CastleContent lmao
which shotgun would i pick? shayura’s wrath
I agree with all of your choices except sojuns tale one... i have quickdraw and opening shot with max range and that shit helped me 1v3 in trials many times... i'd say its higher than cold shotgun from europa, imo but great vid anyway. ima try out a few of these As and Ses :D
For first in last out, i'd like to add that if you really want to try using a slug shotty without the pain of aiming for the head, get one with opening shot and hip fire grip. so long as your hipfire circle of the shotgun has the enemy's head in it, 8 out of 10 times the game will just count it as a headshot and give you the kill. It's one of my favorite fun gun when I want to mess around.
how would you rank the Python? I've been looking for a new interesting shotgun that isn't Felwinters, Riiswalker, or Duality while also looking for that nice thin look that a few other shotguns like the Mindbenders ambition has(I don't have one RIP) and I'm thinking of getting the Python from the kiosk once I get another 10,000 or so glimmer
It is sunset
@@finlaymather5327 I know that, that just means I wont be using it in something like gambit or trails
@@finlaymather5327 otherwise I am loving it over Fel Winters
It's a good feeling shotgun and if you're really close, it actually kills surprisingly reliably. The main problem is that it just doesn't have very good range.
@@eggsdee9407 oh yea definitely its range is its biggest flaw, but I use bottom tree striker with one-two punch on Python so I find a ton of synergy and success with it.
Very Good material! Only thing I would add about Duality is that when You reload, You reload full mag with one animation, not one round per animation which makes it even better!
So castle, are the perks in the bottom right your personal rolls or your recommended god rolls?
Yeah, ultimately there are MANY good rolls and I can’t show them all for 20+ shotguns haha but I tried to show what my fav roll would be
i actually prefer lightweight frame over aggressive, cqc's been my fav even iduring last 2 seasons when felwinter's rule. The mobility boost is just so noticeable and i'm so used to be fast as f running around with a shoty. xD
Great video! I agree with those rankings, but it's not gonna stop me from using some of those lower ranks. They're still fun to use IMO.
Well said!
@@CastleContent it's all about the fun!!!
Love the video but you forgot compass rose :(
Thanks bro.Helpful video
my third found verdict drop was a fullchoke, accurised, surplus and opening shot. feels great
Omg
Thank you. This was really helpful.
where would you rank a god roll sudden death for an arcstrider main, should i go for timelost found verdict or sudden death
I think I’d put it below the god roll found Verdict because of how insanely strong opening shot is, but man that ecap sudden death is buttery smooth
Just noticed this whenever you talked the slugs, and just wanted to mention this if others haven't. There is 2 types of slugs, and you can tell if you look at the stats.....there's the high base handling, low Aim Assist variants (Filo, Sojourner), and the low handling, high aim assist variants (Blasmpher, sorta Heritage ig, Bonechiller)
Yep, realized that afterwards
I was a fool for not noticing lol
Great vid. Really appreciate all the research.
Glad you enjoyed it!
For me I'll always keep my Retold Tale with quickdraw + snapshot and a handling masterwork. I even put the bugged Adept Range mod onto it if that does anything!
SoJo is my current fav legendary slug. Something about it just feels so crispy
It's those sights. They're just perfect for locking onto a noggin
Castle, thoughts on assault mag + handling vs accurized + range on CQC? It's +20 range on a LW vs +10 RPM and handling for ADS/stow.
Tough to say. I *really* like assault mag cause of the 10RPM on an already decently fast firing shotgun for sure, just wish that roll had range MW instead. Honestly though J you can’t go wrong with either. Go with your gut. I think the (18?) range difference will hurt you for the 2-tapping at further distances.
That 4th Horseman RPM joke caught me off guard... well played sir!
😂
I was so bored I got the catalyst for duality and fell In love with it
The FiLo is a sleeper. If you have one with hipfire grip and opening shot, and play mnk, throw on a freehand mod and just never ADS. With the recent buff to the hipfire perk it's...generous.
interesting...i have this roll with assault mag in my vault. gonna try it out
this video is from perspective of a console player so the slug rankings are messed up, for me on pc the legendaries are blasphemer and filo at S tier and the rest B tier and exotics all S tier
@@user-ng2lk5wv4p I'm 99% sure he's on pc
But what was that cool shotgun that lit up with those symbols!? Is it good!?!?
Great stuff man!
Mindbender's Ambition from forsaken. It used to be top-tier, then it was sunset
@@skoogadoo Appreciate the answer, but I was just giving him a hard time lol
I think another reason why people think there's a range cap on shotguns is that both me and my buddy got a riiswalker with iron reach and almost the same roll, he got a range masterwork and i got stability, he maxed out his masterworked stat and it didn't increase, and when we both looked on DIM at our respective shotguns, they were both 86 range. My roll is rifled barrel, accurized rounds, surplus, and iron reach. If you can clarify as to how thats not a range cap, like say iron reach caps your shotgun range at 86, that would be much appreciated.
Hmm that seems odd. There’s definitely no range cap like the one you’re mentioning - can you check out d2gunsmith.com and compare your 2 rolls? They should help show the true range differences. Some barrels add range.
@@CastleContent he must have had one of the mags that don't boost range, because we both had rifled barrel, surplus and iron reach, i have accurized rounds and he has a range masterwork, i have a stability masterwork. We only compared our shotguns after he maxed out his masterwork, so we thought that the "range cap" was a thing
I think you did sojourners very dirty. For me it is S-tier. the sights are super clean and i have a threat detector (crazy handling) / opening shot and i love it. i main it, and love it. its just a beast, idk what it is with the sights but i just feel i hit targets easiers with it. heritage i also like, but i hate the sights on it, just a massive red square for sights, dont like that
I actually agree with you. It was the ONE shotgun I didn’t get enough time with because it was brand new and snuck into the video. While I think my points remain valid on it at base, I will totally admit that the TD+OS roll is unbelievable.
Challenge video for you, my 11 year old son loves using Bows in PvP, without quick swapping to HC for kills. I challenge you to a PvP Bow tier list video.
What roll should we be shooting for with found verdict?
There are many acceptable rolls on every shotgun but I did try and put what I’d prefer on screen at the start of each section
So I have a riiswalker with QuickDraw and swashbuckler but i want a good shotgun in the energy slot so I can use my ace or anything in the kinetic slot. What shotgun is a good replacement for that?
If warlock - felwinters
If other - found verdict god roll, otherwise CQC
@@CastleContent Thanks! I am a warlock BTW
Cries in imperial decree
22:40 dat money shot
I have the "God roll retrofurst"..rifle or barrel shroud, accurized, quick draw, snap shot range master work
Feels good, but you have to play it knowing it's a 2 tap at range, which makes you weak to smgs, side arms or a good slug user
Kept it just incase bungie buffs that archetype
My raid shotty has snapshot w/ fluted barrel 80 handling with snap shot, might as well be quick draw
My quickdraw/snapshot, full choke,aqurized rounds and handling mw Mindbenders has emerged back from the depths of my vault again. Since the quickdraw change it's the only agressive with the perk left in the game and even in it's nerfed state it's still amazing, esp with the handling mw which used to be completely wasted. My quickdraw/slideshot one is also good but since the qd nerf I'm preferring snapshot and because it couldn't roll opening shot I feel it's the best perk in slot. It's great in everything but Trials and IB, which is most of the pvp modes in the game but is especially amazing for comp since apparently nobody kept one as I haven't seen a single other Mindbenders this season. I wonder if it was an oversight by Bungie since it can still be used in most pvp modes. Also there's no Scorn champions and because the normal nightfalls have been removed in lieu of only ordeals the Mindbendees isn't available anymore.
this vid was before fractalyst. what tier would you put that in?
What's a good roll on Found Verdict?
I put one at the beginning of its section 👍
Any suggestions for sidearm
Thanks for the video always appreciated
No problem 👍
Really wanna hear your opinion on Xur's FILO with Hammerforged/Assault Mag/Slideshot/Opening Shot/Stability MW!
Opening shot helps SO much - buy it for sure
nice work
I have a fullbore, assault mag, quickdraw, opening shot, and range mw blasphemer which was very nice before the quickdraw nerf and still quite nice afterwards. I've been going for a sojourner's tale with fluted barrel, accurized/assault mag, threat detector, opening shot, and a range mw but have only gotten threat detector opening shot on one so far. The lack of a full godroll on my sojourner still feels better than my godroll blasphemer now and before the quickdraw nerf even with substantially less aim assist. I'm the kind of freak though who doesn't like chaperone because of its sights so I don't know how much my word is to be trusted
Retrofuturist with Rifled Barrel, Assault Mag, Quickdraw, Trench Barrel, and a Range Masterwork is my most consistent shotgun out of all of my "God Roll" shotties.
Incredibly insightful as always. Great video!
Can you rate fractethyst?
I got my riiswalker with surplus and iron reach, from what i understand thats relatively good?
Yup
Elemental Capacitor on an Astral Horizon while using Arc classes (Chaos Reach) is a sleeper. I have one with Slideshot, EC, Accurized, Range MW, and either Rifled or Corkscrew (Cork preferred)
Range: 54
Handling: 87
Seriously. Try it out. It's pretty much quickdraw all the time with a Dexterity mod. Yes, I am losing out on Opening Shot here, but honestly that handling just feels too incredible to not consider.
Riiswalker with slide shot+ iron reach+full choke and assault mag is godly imo. Can easily one shot from good ranges, but can follow up with a second shot very quickly if needs be
hello memer here use Mask of Bakris and 4th Horseman, did it in Iron Banner, had lots of fun do recommend if you wanna change your loadout from Found Verdict
Unrelated but I’ve seen vids on the relationship between shotgun consistency taking into account their respective range/accuracy stats as well as pellet spread, but have not seen anything that takes into account the aim assist stat. If there is a vid on it I haven’t found it yet but if not that might be an interesting topic just an idea
If you get a prophet of doom with rampage I found that it’s a beast in the crucible. I dismantled it for the one reason that I got a god roll found verdict and riiswalker. But I enjoyed it whenever I decided I didn’t wanna use astral or felwinters
Castle do this for pulses/snipes/HCs!
What would be the god roll for a Found Verdict?
If you check the section again covering that gun, I put what I would like to get on mine.
@@CastleContent Aah gotcha, the perks in gunsmith.
What hand cannon was that with the duality on the moon map
Nothing beats the cqc with QuickDraw and snapshot to me. I love that shotgun so freaking much
if only i could get it to drop. do you have any recommendations on how?
Can you do one of these for snipers?
Do you have a guide for snipers?
Not yet but actually my buddy ShadowDestiny does!
@@CastleContent thanks, ill go check it out👍
I’m surprised about FWL not being S, it is the most consistent shotgun in the game for 1 hit kills at 8m and isn’t as limited by pellet spread like astral and found verdict
With it’s handling I’m not very surprised
GREAT vid
Anyone know what hand cannon Apathettic uses, I've already looked up "Chines pistol d2" and didn't find anything
Its the sturm for anyone wondering
My first Found Verdict drop is Full Choke, Assault Mag, Slideshot, Opening Shot, Handling MW. It is quite crispy.
lmao a friend spent a week farming templar to get a 4/5 and you get a 5/5 first try
congrats, enjoy it
@@Mackeye_ Unfortunately, I still don't have a single Fatebringer or Vision of Confluence so there is a trade-off.
So i got a retold tale with QuickDraw and snapshot sights is that a god roll
I have a Retold Tale with Full choke + Accurized rounds + Snapshot sights + Quickdraw and a handling masterwork. I love it, even though I prefer to use snipers.
Also got a Found Verdict with Slidshot + Opening shot and a handling masterwork. It’s… nasty.
What hand cannon is that?