I know people aren't fans of birdshot, but it's quite effective on drones. That will become more important and relevant over the next 5 years. Trust me on that one.
Our local gun shop put out a shit load of 00 buck and slugs today. He also has 9mm. 556. 223. 40 cal. There's a 1 box limit of each per day. But maby just maby it's a start of restocking and getting things back to normal in the ammo shortage
Yeah, my buddy down the road had one that he used to take photos for realtors. He flew over a property that likes privacy. Number 4 shot fixed the problem.
8 shot and 00buck definitely good for anything from small game to home defense here in WV, those are the 2 I keep; plus a cpl boxes of slugs just in case.
Whatever ammunition fits your firearm, you can presently locate and afford. One homicide I was on, years ago, the weapon utilized was a .410 with birdshot. Happened inside a residence and victim was found dead in the room where the shooting took place. Like nearly any ammunition; shot placement usually wins over caliber size.
Shotguns are great for senior preppers. Anything busting into your bug in home is confronted with a 12 gauge buck shot or number 2 or 4. The receiving end will respect the owner of the property fast.
For small game and birds #5 birdshot is probably the most versatile. It's not too big for small birds, squirrels or rabbits and it's not too small for larger game like turkeys, ducks, raccoons, etc. So if you stock up on #5 birdshot, 00 buckshot and slugs you should be able to do anything you want.
All you need for whitetail deer to feral dogs to drones to defense to waterfowl to small birds like doves is number 6 tungsten in the heaviest short magnum 2-3/4". Just cut halfway thru deep all around midway right where the shot begins for big critters and it exits like and hits like a frangible slug... Kind of like a giant version of a Magsafe or Glaser pistol bullet
If I HAD to pick one ( for anything other than hunting big game) it would be high powered waterfowl/ turkey loads . .. it'll cover most the bases, especially home defense
Completely agree with the general "do all" round. It was exactly what I was thinking and is a more middle of the road shell that would apply to many situations.
Just stocked up on shotgun ammunition two weeks before Floyd passed away. Best decision I ever did. Buckshot ammo and slugs are getting harder and harder to come by. Just started reloading my own. Even the Lee Loader 2 what's hard-to-come-by at a good price. Best investment I ever did.
Normal target loads are 7.99 to 12.99depending on the brand or store. Heavier Duty special load can be 15 to almost $30 a box. Just saw some Winchester 5-pack Double odd Buck for 7. 99 at Academy. 1350 for velocity. All the buckshots I stocked up on was 1200 fps low velocity. Pretty much what they use for SWAT teams. I found 25lb bags of I was just loose buckshot for $90. And have been loading my own. There's videos on RUclips how to do it. And for the six months I have been doing it I haven't had any issues with the reshoots.
Load all my own shotgun shells pour my one buckshot and lead round balls. Also if I run out of regular smokeless powder I can reload them easy with black powder have 75 pounds of #4 shot I always pick up the old empty Shell's from the skeet shooting guys so I have hundreds of empty Shell's shotgun is 100% the way to go
Thanks for a well thought out video. The case you show at the end is the same as what I keep in my truck. Very handy. One thing I also carry a handful of is 12 ga marine flares that would be useful for signaling if needs be.
My first firearm was a Mossberg 500 w/bird, rifled deer, and 18” smoothbore barrels. Stocked ammo for it cheap and deep. I don’t shoot it often, but it is an extremely versatile tool, and if I could only have one gun, I think that would be it.
Great video MP! I like to stock 00 & slugs and have several hundred rounds of bird shot. My M1 super 90 is a little unreliable with certain bird shot, but a semi-auto shotgun is a must have shtf weapon.
Yup I started rolling my own about 3 years ago...some of my coworkers thought I was nuts..."shotgun shells are so cheap" even back then buckshot was like $1/round... I cast my own buckshot and round balls... So the savings really do add up
I've always preached that if u can only have or afford one weapon it should be a reliable 12 ga for the reason of versatility, the ability to perform big game small game and defense is a all in one , bird shot ,buck shot, rifled slug, less than lethal and exotic like dragonbreath or bird bombs, truly do all platform!!! Great video n keep up the good content!!!
If I lived in the mountains or some remote place, yes a 12 gauge for me too. But give the state of mankind in these darkening days, if I lived in an city/semi-urban place, I would choose for my only gun a semi-automatic rifle like an AR that would give me more rounds and be very quick to reload.
thumbs up as always, checked still subscribed, great job as always. im retired p d and police academy instructor. reduced recoil 12 gauge, 00 buck and #4 buck shot, for 20 gauge what i been using since 1990 for self defense shotgun loads. good luck.
I love shotguns for SHTF. In a world without hospitals, ANY lead is sufficient. The more you deliver down range the better. In the absence of antibiotics, any penetration is potentially lethal. Everyone is likely to know this. Don't concern yourselves with delivering instant death. What your delivering is fear of infection. Don't think that an attacker wont retreat unless he's bleeding out. Unlike you in your stationary retreat, an aggressor will have the option of retreat. He will be stricken with panic the instant he feels the burn. He will immediately consider the longer term implications and seek to lesson the odds of infection. Especially if hit in the torso or head. My personal preference is 4/O buckshot in 12 gauge. My second is 00 and thirdly, the dreaded slug. All these are very effective out to about 60-70 yrds. If you live in a wooded retreat, or retreat in a wooded area, you'll probably never be presented with a shot longer than that.
That's a great point, many people invest in long range, and never consider the shots they may encounter. There's nothing over 300 yards close to me ,unless your peer down a state road.
An excellent point. Tetanus and blood poisoning have probably killed more people than all cartridges combined. But that is like why are throwing stars scary, since they have no immediate incapacitation- historically, just let them rust a bit, maybe smear a little horse poo on the edges. But if you need to shoot someone, them dying in a couple days might be more time than you can wait, particularly anyone who's grown up with modern medicine- it will take people a year or two to unlearn the idea of antibiotics.
@@tenchraven same theory as old .31 cal black powder belly guns. A .313 ball with 10gr of fffg behind is by no means is a one shot stopper unless you stuck it into someone's ear. It was just enough to get into you and kill you 2 weeks later while you're laid up wishing you hadn't tried to claim jump that old man
I stock 00,#1, and #4 buckshot, #4 heavy birdshot, and #7 1/2 birdshot. I agree with the heavy birdshot loads being great all around. Put it through a hunting length barrel with a tighter choke and you can get some series range out of it.
Good point on the number 5s. They're easier to pick out of rabbits and squirrels than 8 shot. At point blank range, there's not much difference between any load. They all leave a massive hole under 5 yards.
The 12 ga shotgun has become my overall truck gun in Non-SHTF life. The versatility can't be beat. As you said I can deal with two-legged threats, 4 legged threats(I spend time in bear country) and I keep bird shot shells on my sling, which holds shells. Those are good for emergency survival. Yes, it has limitations and if the grid goes down with anarchy in the streets, the shotgun would get moved to a secondary role. But under normal conditions the shotgun is perfect.
If you can find 1 buckshot I highly recommend it. You can stuff more pellets into a standard or 3 inch Magnum shell than 00 buck. A standard shell will fit 16 pellets vs 9x 00 buckshot. More pellets increases hit probability. The grain weight is decreased from 54 grains (.33 caliber) to 40 grains (.30 caliber) but you get 89% more pellets therefore giving you less holes in the pattern for game or two leggeds on the run. The energy will carry to ~90 yards which is a long shot but a hit is a hit.
I make all my own #4B, #1B, #00B, .35 cal, #000B, slugs and round ball from .562 - .69 cal. #5 Turkey Load is ridiculous not only because it's not NEARLY as lethal as buckshot, but also three times the price. You can buy buckshot and bird shot for the price of Turkey Loads.
For buckshot loads I know reloaders that drop #4 or smaller in the spaces in the shell with the 00 stack. Then cover with buffer. Every space in the shell is used with a decent pattern.
Good video on a tough topic. I say it's a tough topic because we all have our own situations and preferences. And by situations I mean the area and subsequent game where we live, our household situation such as distance, overpenetration concerns, etc. Understanding that a wider variety is preferable, I think you called it pretty well on your recommendations if one was to stock only two loads. Some may disagree, but I doubt it would be by much if they do.
Good stuff, I don’t even own a shotgun yet but definitely need one. Figured it’s going to be the last thing Biden bans...he literally told us to buy a shotgun 😝
I have a number of 12ga. pumps - mostly 870 police mags. But my first go to, for home defense, is a Mossberg 500 youth 20ga with the 18.5" barrel and #1 buck (probably slightly undersized, as it should be .30 cal. but more likely .29 cal. - but still an awesome load).
Several years ago the Federal Government tested various shotgun loads to determine the "best" load for self defense purposes for Federal agencies to use. Their conclusion, if you think they knew what they were doing, was that in all the various conditions a shotgun could be used in an armed incident was to use a 27-pellet, #4 nickel-plated buckshot at 1325fps. load. Fiocchi makes this exact loading in 10-round boxes if you'd like to get some for use. I've had that load in my SD shotty for a long time. Luckily I've never needed to test its effectiveness, but I feel confident it would easily do the job.
Exact same way I tried to store mine. Variety is the spice of life. Wouldn't want to shoot a squirrel with 00? But wouldn't want to try to open a door with birdshot either. Then deer hunting is a whole nother story you better have a slug
@@curbcreeper7012 I keep more birdshot than any other round just because I think it’s more versatile. It’s also the cheapest thing I can find right now and I’d rather eat 1200 squirrels than 100 deer
@ Ben Haynes I started stocking up on ammo before the shortages started and the price went up. Wasn't able to do so with my rifle rounds and my handguns as much as I would like, but I have a decent Supply as long as I don't practice like I used to. Using more dry fire simulations than actual range time. I agree prices are crazy right now. Couldn't stock up the same if I was just now starting.
@@curbcreeper7012 I’m just starting and I was very lucky to get 1000 rounds of brass 5.56 for $450, I have that and carry ammo for my handgun but otherwise I’m fairly limited rn just trying to shoot .25 cent birdshot till my shoulder gives out
Dont forget about DIY "cut shell slugs". You can make slugs out of typically useless bird shot by simply cutting the shell. Also 12 guage is the easiest bullet to field reload by hand using black powder and a few simple hand tools & primers. Hell, Even primers can be made from very easily obtainable ordinary materials. Remember everyone when you fail to plan, you plan to fail.
Buy yourself a hand shotgun primer tool. Instead of cut shells, you should try making Flex-Seal slugs. Better than wax slugs because Flex Seal won't melt in your truck. I make them out of cheap bird shot and they are super hard hitters.
Cut shells are ok, but break action only. I would never run wax, glue or flex seal slugs through an autoloader, but they are fine for a pump. But I agree, so long as you have primers you can load with black powder, but while reloading primers isn't hard making the priming compound and having ten fingers is a bit more of a trick.
Thanks for the info. I'm still learning about shotguns, all of my firearm knowledge comes from military experience and I've only fired a 590 at a joint range a few years ago. Aside from breaching there isn't a ton of shotgun usage in the Army.
I personally load 12 gauge shotshells with 6mm daisy bbs using leftover shells found at my local range. Thanks to my grandpa for teaching me how to before his passing! 🙏
I happened to get an amazing deal on a lot of 12G 7.5/8 shot, however I have also practiced making cut shells/wax slugs and living in a state where all ammo has to be lead free, I have started buying steel bbs for my red Ryder and emptying the lead shot from cheap lead shot shells and loading the steel bbs instead. I have found that one thing to absolutely buy for a shotgun is a set of gauge adapters, I have a set that stacks from 12G-20G, 20G-410/45Colt, 410/45Colt-22LR. The adapters are not perfect by any means, however, it increases the usability of my shotgun for hunting with scavenged ammo if I can't find a functional gun to match the ammo.
I thought about it but, I didn't want to get too confusing for newer gun owners out there. Although it can make a huge difference for the effectiveness for certain loads so in hindsight I probably should've at least mentioned it.
You both have great points. Different chokes are definitely part of the equation, but would have been a lot to add to the topic of ammo. Choke, among others would be a great topic for a subsequent video on the shotgun for SHTF. 👍
Love all your videos; while I have a LOT of each kind of 12gauge ammo I favor larger birdshot (#4, #5, and #6). It’s effective for all around survival.
Lotsa' info without a lot of personal BS . Thank you . Have always been a fan of "SMOOTH BORES" . If I had to leave the house with one choice , it'd probably be this . ALTHOUGH ! a 410 was probably my FIRST LOVE and STILL like them .
When you mentioned ranges of the various types of shells you didn't mention the shot spread as the pellets travel farther from the end of the barrel. Lighter pellets will spread out father than the heavier pellets, but all will spread. So at the close to maximum range for the load you're using the spread could be large enough that most or all your pellets will miss the target, even when your point of aim is correct. I'd suggest that you spend a couple of each weight pellets you're using to see what the spread is at that range. It could mean eating that night or not. Or worse case scenario if you make it back to your retreat location or not. And even at close range, when the spread is minimal, the shotgun must be aimed like a rifle so you don't miss the target with the same results possibly occurring that I mentioned above.
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if you only have birdshoot you can uncrimp the shells and fill the shoot cup with elmers glue to bind the shoot into slugs just allow to fully cure before recrimping.
I think the best thing to have is a good variety. If your space or budget is limiting you to a few, you need to choose the most important. I would have said 00 buck shot before he mentioned turkey shot. Magic Prepper is right on with his priorities: turkey shot, buck shot, slugs (in that order). I disagree with what he said about not wanting too many types laying around; my policy is the more the merrier. I have one of those 'ammo crates', and when I see something novel at the gun store I often add it. I stock a lot of different types of shells, but mostly bird shot, buck shot, and slugs.
I grabbed a Benelli m4 this winter and I’m stocking any single and 00 buck I can get my hands on. Remington, Winchester, herters, even off brands. Not terribly concerned about shot pattern. Primary guns are AR-15s. The Benelli is my last ditch effort gun for if I should run empty and need to retreat because of an angry heard ( deer, mountain lions, Buffalo, chickens... you name it)
when stocking up birdshot i pretty much stick to #4 and #5 then slugs and #4 buckshot works great for home defense then the 000 and 00 buck for hunting but when i do get the birdshot in 4s and 5s i try to have everything from2.75 inch to the 3.5 inch shells
I have a Mossberg as well. Mine doesn't cycle Winchester and some others as well as federal shells. If you compare Winchester shells even all being 2 3/4 are slightly longer than federals which causes it to catch and hang up sometimes. I know shotgun shells aren't exactly all uniform but it can make a difference. Also from my experiences with big game, slugs are the way to go. Like you said, a hand cannon! If 430+ grains going 1500+ fps won't do the job then idk what will. Within 100 yards or so anyways.
I would only add some Winchester AA Low Power/Low Recoil loads for practice, especially with new shooters. Full power loads are hard on my wife, but she loves the Low power loads to practice with.
For new preppers out there, especially the smaller statured ones (men or women) who are on a budget, also look into 20 gauge. It might not be quite as powerful but will still get the job done and if you HATE shooting your 12 gauge, you’ll never practice with it. The best weapon to have is the one you can afford to buy and afford to practice with. Plus I was seeing shelves and shelves of 20 when 12 was sold out.
Exactly. I started with a 20guage in 7th grade. Now I shoot a 12 but I STILL love my handy little 20 gauge. It’s a relatively short barrel so it’s not a bad choice at all for home defense. PLENTY of knock down with buck
I was thinking this too and the other issue is with a SHTF scenario where you have to bug out with just what you can carry on your back. You can fit 40% more shells in a given space than with 12 gauge.
Hi my friend. Another great video. Believe it or not I do not own a shotgun yet, however I like Your choices.Great minds think alike.......my all around 12 gauge load would be 2 3/4 #4. I do love Your Turkey load though. The ONE area I MIGHT suggest something a bit different would be 12 gauge Buckshot. I would go with 2 3/4 #1 Buck. The reason? Measure the surface area of the Pellets between #1 and 00 and You are in for a shock! Finally You are dead on when You mention versatility! back in ancient times in Michigan, Farmers always had a shotgun (usually a pump 12 gauge) for most purposes. Add to taht any .22 Rifle and IF the Farmer was "well to do" He usually had a .38 Revolver likely a 4 inch Barrel. Where the Shotgun really shines in Defense (home) is area saturation say a hallway against intruders (think home invasion). Again a GREAT and informative video My hats off to You!
I think the idea of #4 or #5 turkey loads isn't bad if you could only have one. But shotguns are flexible, and IMO the best options, plural, OO buck, #4 birdshot, and non-saboted slugs. If you have a 3.5" 12ga, the Winchester 4 Buck is amazing (54 pellets, at 50 yrds the pattern is the size of table but doesnt really have holes), and #2 or BB birdshot for longer range hunting and small apartments, but that is a specialty item. For 20ga, whatever buckshot you can find, high brass #4 birdshot, but sadly the 20ga is so ignored. But if your first shotgun is a 12ga pump and your second a five or six pound 20ga single, add 410 and 28ga adapters, and all the bases are covered. For organizing, many years ago Plano made a box made to hold 4 25-shell boxes, but I haven't seen it around. Which is a pity because they are my personal favorites for the grab-and-go. 50 #4, 24 OOB, and a dozen each of 4B and slug, all in one convent little package.
Surprised you didn't mention wax slugs or glue slugs, which can be made from target loads or light game loads for self-defense purchases. They can be very effective for home defense or breeching, on top of survival hunting. That makes bird shot the most versatile in my book.
Got my first 12 guage for this Christmas, I was given a Benelli nova pump action. I have since purchased at least 1500 rounds of bird shot. Slugs and buckshot are crazy expensive rn, so I only have around 150 of each and about 100 rounds of steel 3.5 inch waterfowl shot. I’m glad I have what I have but I would love to have more. Trying to keep enough ammo to be Comfortable with all of my firearms Is very hard rn😭
I love the Mossburg shockwave ..I wish we could own them here in England as easy as you guys can ... 0/0 or number 4 seems the best shell for home defense from all the you tube videos I have sat through daydreaming
Buy Benelli Nova shotguns, they can shoot up to 3 & 1/2 shells factory built. #2 and 00buck shot seem like the all around go to shells. How accurate are basic slugs out of a smoothbore shotgun. We typically just buy #2 and #6 bird shot and 00buck, I know my pop bought some sabot rounds years ago that he's only used, and I haven't seen slugs in my area in a long time.
Shotguns are just plain awesome. I have several of different styles, break action singl shots, pumps, semis, double barrels. The most versatile is the single barrel, break action. You can shoot litterly anything out of it, especially with chamber adapters. If you run out of ammo, but have primers and powder, you can turn a single shot gun into a muzzle loader
I actually have #2 goose loads for home defense, works at home defense distances, won't go through exterior walls. A slug is a poor man's anti-materiel round, we can't all buy a Barrett. Good for an engine of a threatening vehicle.
#5 up to small game I can see, up to medium small mammals, but #4 an up buckshot for defense, slugs for larger game. Just for the record tho, so you know, a breaching round is sintered metal, think like powdered metal compressed into a slug, the reason for it is no back blast of shot to the breacher or others in the stack on the entry team, an no harm to anybody on the other side of the door, or it at least limits any harm to others, accidents can still happen tho, when the lock or doorknob comes flying apart. Thx for the vid.
LOL! Specialty rounds for the “hot air balloons”. All in all I think yes, #5 turkey shot is great! It will stop all the “Jive Turkeys” trying to get into my home and steal my stuff but won’t destroy through the walls of my house. Thanks MP!
I love how winchester came out with the pdx rounds like theyre a special, new thing. Buck and ball rounds were very effective at close range in the civil war. Against single assailants.. eh, maybe an alternative to normal buckshot. I do like the idea of a pump shotgun or a lever/bolt rifle for looong term shtf, with the ability to function with black powder
I've bought a lot of everything common. I bought 8 boxes of 100 rounds of bird shot for like $25 a box, 40 or so boxes of 20 round 2 3/4 00 buck 9 pellets (says military use only green cased) for about $11 a box and 30 boxes of 20 round boxed 2 3/4 slugs for $9 a piece just 3 years ago, with great timing before the whole pandemic happened. I thought I was made an unwise choice at the time bc I don't shoot my shotgun that often but now I'm wishing I had bought more.
I bought a bunch of Dragon’s Breath last summer. I figured I could help any of the peaceful protesters I might encounter light their Molotov cocktails.
Stockpile powder, primers and wads. Anything can be stuffed in a shotgun shell. Rocks, glass, pieces of wire, nails, bearings, etc. Anything hard and heavy. I have used old sewer pipe joint lead melted and poured into a 1/2 inch copper pipe. Reloading can be done with some rudimentary tools and some chunks of wood in an emergency, but get a good reloader. In an emergency, you can do without the wad and it is possible to make powder, but it would be very important to have a large supply of primers.
#6, 00, and some slugs. The #5 tungsten turkey load is pretty impressive, but, overall, I'd still opt for #6 as an all-around game getter, through a modified choke.
Everything you talked about was very interesting, some day I hope to get me a shotgun. I guess I’m behind but since a rifle got stolen with five thousand rounds I just haven’t had money to replace anything. Guess that will be on my wish list. Everyone have a wonderful day and remember Danny loves ya God Bless
All stores around my area are completely sold out of any and all shotshells (including 410 and 28ga). The only reason I'm still going out and busting clays is that I stockpiled flats in a corner of my basement for years during sales.
I reload my own between .31cal=0bk .36cal=00bk .69 cal =slug you can meltdown any birdshot and cast it into any outher round you need. Also works with my .50 muzzle loader black powder Or buck and ball
Although I don't hunt anything but elk, I still keep a 12 gauge around. Shotguns are so versatile and cost effictive, it's hard not not to have. Great exploration of most of the possible loads. What do you think of coyote loads? I've been keeping some for both coyotes and general property defense, and found the shot size and spread to be great for anything under 40yds.
I know people aren't fans of birdshot, but it's quite effective on drones. That will become more important and relevant over the next 5 years. Trust me on that one.
That's all I can find in town now a days. Those magnum turkey loads are pretty decent
Agreed
Our local gun shop put out a shit load of 00 buck and slugs today. He also has 9mm. 556. 223. 40 cal. There's a 1 box limit of each per day. But maby just maby it's a start of restocking and getting things back to normal in the ammo shortage
@@ernestwalden3894 zerohedge had an acrticle today I think it was Winchester ceo talking about ammo shortages. Take a read
Yeah, my buddy down the road had one that he used to take photos for realtors. He flew over a property that likes privacy. Number 4 shot fixed the problem.
Any is better than none, buy what you can when you can...not everyone can afford some of this. Be blessed and run the good race.GOD bless
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I stocked up on 00buck and slugs and #5 and 8 shot. I feel that should cover anything in a Kentucky shtf situation.
Similar. 6-shot, 00 buck, and slugs. Enough to last a lifetime in... Kentucky.
@@aarond1622 yes sir. Chance favors the prepared mind. What part of ky you in? I'm West kentucky 15 miniuts From land between the lakes. AKA LBL
8 shot and 00buck definitely good for anything from small game to home defense here in WV, those are the 2 I keep; plus a cpl boxes of slugs just in case.
Stockpile Slugs, 00, #2, #4, #5 .... shoot/train with target loads .
Yep pretty much.
Nothing beats the knock down power of a Shotgun at close range.
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Whatever ammunition fits your firearm, you can presently locate and afford. One homicide I was on, years ago, the weapon utilized was a .410 with birdshot. Happened inside a residence and victim was found dead in the room where the shooting took place. Like nearly any ammunition; shot placement usually wins over caliber size.
Shotguns are great for senior preppers. Anything busting into your bug in home is confronted with a 12 gauge buck shot or number 2 or 4. The receiving end will respect the owner of the property fast.
I call my shotgun “Hall Cleaner”
Love it
Ironically, it makes a big mess
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My thought EXACTLY!
@@commiesnzombies 'shop smart, shop S-mart'. 😁
For small game and birds #5 birdshot is probably the most versatile. It's not too big for small birds, squirrels or rabbits and it's not too small for larger game like turkeys, ducks, raccoons, etc. So if you stock up on #5 birdshot, 00 buckshot and slugs you should be able to do anything you want.
I should have waited because you basically said the same thing in the video.
All you need for whitetail deer to feral dogs to drones to defense to waterfowl to small birds like doves is number 6 tungsten in the heaviest short magnum 2-3/4". Just cut halfway thru deep all around midway right where the shot begins for big critters and it exits like and hits like a frangible slug... Kind of like a giant version of a Magsafe or Glaser pistol bullet
@melaninsupergurl-vu4uv not reliable for self defense though as cut shells cannot cycle reliably
@@The_real_onefs That's why I said, " if you stock up on #5 birdshot, 00 buckshot and slugs you should be able to do anything you want."
@@melaninsupergurl-vu4uvGood luck using cut shells on anything further than spitting distance.
Shotguns are just good all around weapons. Worth it
If I HAD to pick one ( for anything other than hunting big game) it would be high powered waterfowl/ turkey loads . .. it'll cover most the bases, especially home defense
They are pretty impressive as an all around choice.
Completely agree with the general "do all" round. It was exactly what I was thinking and is a more middle of the road shell that would apply to many situations.
Just stocked up on shotgun ammunition two weeks before Floyd passed away. Best decision I ever did. Buckshot ammo and slugs are getting harder and harder to come by. Just started reloading my own. Even the Lee Loader 2 what's hard-to-come-by at a good price. Best investment I ever did.
That was my question - are they hard to find? And what should we expect to pay for them (such as the recommended Turkey shot)?
Normal target loads are 7.99 to 12.99depending on the brand or store. Heavier Duty special load can be 15 to almost $30 a box. Just saw some Winchester 5-pack Double odd Buck for 7. 99 at Academy. 1350 for velocity. All the buckshots I stocked up on was 1200 fps low velocity. Pretty much what they use for SWAT teams. I found 25lb bags of I was just loose buckshot for $90. And have been loading my own. There's videos on RUclips how to do it. And for the six months I have been doing it I haven't had any issues with the reshoots.
Load all my own shotgun shells pour my one buckshot and lead round balls. Also if I run out of regular smokeless powder I can reload them easy with black powder have 75 pounds of #4 shot I always pick up the old empty Shell's from the skeet shooting guys so I have hundreds of empty Shell's shotgun is 100% the way to go
@@commonmanhomestead didn't say how much black powder I have only said I had 75 pounds of #4 lead shot
@@commonmanhomestead no problem. Stay safe
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75# of lead balls...
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Thanks for a well thought out video. The case you show at the end is the same as what I keep in my truck. Very handy.
One thing I also carry a handful of is 12 ga marine flares that would be useful for signaling if needs be.
My first firearm was a Mossberg 500 w/bird, rifled deer, and 18” smoothbore barrels. Stocked ammo for it cheap and deep. I don’t shoot it often, but it is an extremely versatile tool, and if I could only have one gun, I think that would be it.
I'm a big fan of #4 buck. Gets it done on just about anything.
The British used #4 during the guerrilla war in Malaysia in the 1950'worked quite wel. In the jungle.
Also my favorite.
27 pellet #4Buckshot is grossly underated
I think the police use number 4.
@@Xonid1 cops still use 00 in the US. Federal flite control usually.
Great video MP! I like to stock 00 & slugs and have several hundred rounds of bird shot. My M1 super 90 is a little unreliable with certain bird shot, but a semi-auto shotgun is a must have shtf weapon.
Awesome explanation of different shot loads. Thank you.
i feel lucky having a shotshell reloader when 2 years ago i thought it was my most useless reloader
so true!!!
I bought a MeC 9000 for my son’s Trap and Skeet shell reloads. I can turnout 1 case in like 45minutes to an 1 Hr
I still don't have one. For some reason I decided to focus on reloading 460 S&W all last year ha!
Pick up empties at the range.
No one else does.
Yup I started rolling my own about 3 years ago...some of my coworkers thought I was nuts..."shotgun shells are so cheap" even back then buckshot was like $1/round... I cast my own buckshot and round balls... So the savings really do add up
This was extremely helpful. Thanks capt magic.
I've always preached that if u can only have or afford one weapon it should be a reliable 12 ga for the reason of versatility, the ability to perform big game small game and defense is a all in one , bird shot ,buck shot, rifled slug, less than lethal and exotic like dragonbreath or bird bombs, truly do all platform!!! Great video n keep up the good content!!!
If I lived in the mountains or some remote place, yes a 12 gauge for me too. But give the state of mankind in these darkening days, if I lived in an city/semi-urban place, I would choose for my only gun a semi-automatic rifle like an AR that would give me more rounds and be very quick to reload.
thumbs up as always, checked still subscribed, great job as always. im retired p d and police academy instructor. reduced recoil 12 gauge, 00 buck and #4 buck shot, for 20 gauge what i been using since 1990 for self defense shotgun loads. good luck.
I love shotguns for SHTF. In a world without hospitals, ANY lead is sufficient. The more you deliver down range the better. In the absence of antibiotics, any penetration is potentially lethal. Everyone is likely to know this. Don't concern yourselves with delivering instant death. What your delivering is fear of infection. Don't think that an attacker wont retreat unless he's bleeding out. Unlike you in your stationary retreat, an aggressor will have the option of retreat. He will be stricken with panic the instant he feels the burn. He will immediately consider the longer term implications and seek to lesson the odds of infection. Especially if hit in the torso or head.
My personal preference is 4/O buckshot in 12 gauge. My second is 00 and thirdly, the dreaded slug. All these are very effective out to about 60-70 yrds. If you live in a wooded retreat, or retreat in a wooded area, you'll probably never be presented with a shot longer than that.
Thats a good ass point. A chest and face sprayed with bbs with the gid down will cause a hell of a mess for that person in a few weeks.
That's a great point, many people invest in long range, and never consider the shots they may encounter. There's nothing over 300 yards close to me ,unless your peer down a state road.
An excellent point. Tetanus and blood poisoning have probably killed more people than all cartridges combined. But that is like why are throwing stars scary, since they have no immediate incapacitation- historically, just let them rust a bit, maybe smear a little horse poo on the edges. But if you need to shoot someone, them dying in a couple days might be more time than you can wait, particularly anyone who's grown up with modern medicine- it will take people a year or two to unlearn the idea of antibiotics.
@@tenchraven same theory as old .31 cal black powder belly guns. A .313 ball with 10gr of fffg behind is by no means is a one shot stopper unless you stuck it into someone's ear. It was just enough to get into you and kill you 2 weeks later while you're laid up wishing you hadn't tried to claim jump that old man
Perfectly said bug out Bubba
I stock 00,#1, and #4 buckshot, #4 heavy birdshot, and #7 1/2 birdshot. I agree with the heavy birdshot loads being great all around. Put it through a hunting length barrel with a tighter choke and you can get some series range out of it.
Good point on the number 5s. They're easier to pick out of rabbits and squirrels than 8 shot. At point blank range, there's not much difference between any load. They all leave a massive hole under 5 yards.
Truth , in close they are all slugs
The 12 ga shotgun has become my overall truck gun in Non-SHTF life. The versatility can't be beat. As you said I can deal with two-legged threats, 4 legged threats(I spend time in bear country) and I keep bird shot shells on my sling, which holds shells. Those are good for emergency survival. Yes, it has limitations and if the grid goes down with anarchy in the streets, the shotgun would get moved to a secondary role. But under normal conditions the shotgun is perfect.
And even those supposed limitations are scenarios you will almost never see
U shouldn't be carrying birdshot in bear country
Man those shot shell slings suck lol
@@DLI002He said they’re in his sling, not that those are his primary load in bear country.
If the power is off or not, your shotgun doesn't know. I have been off grid since 1997.
If you can find 1 buckshot I highly recommend it. You can stuff more pellets into a standard or 3 inch Magnum shell than 00 buck. A standard shell will fit 16 pellets vs 9x 00 buckshot. More pellets increases hit probability. The grain weight is decreased from 54 grains (.33 caliber) to 40 grains (.30 caliber) but you get 89% more pellets therefore giving you less holes in the pattern for game or two leggeds on the run. The energy will carry to ~90 yards which is a long shot but a hit is a hit.
I make all my own #4B, #1B, #00B, .35 cal, #000B, slugs and round ball from .562 - .69 cal. #5 Turkey Load is ridiculous not only because it's not NEARLY as lethal as buckshot, but also three times the price. You can buy buckshot and bird shot for the price of Turkey Loads.
For buckshot loads I know reloaders that drop #4 or smaller in the spaces in the shell with the 00 stack. Then cover with buffer. Every space in the shell is used with a decent pattern.
Good video on a tough topic. I say it's a tough topic because we all have our own situations and preferences. And by situations I mean the area and subsequent game where we live, our household situation such as distance, overpenetration concerns, etc.
Understanding that a wider variety is preferable, I think you called it pretty well on your recommendations if one was to stock only two loads. Some may disagree, but I doubt it would be by much if they do.
Awesome video. Really smart idea
Great topic, really needed if you are a new prepper and the budget is tight, cheers
2 3/4 #4 shot is my do-all 12 gage round. I also stock a large variety. I have a soft folding case that holds 35 rounds.
Very good information I will use. Thanks magic!
Good stuff, I don’t even own a shotgun yet but definitely need one. Figured it’s going to be the last thing Biden bans...he literally told us to buy a shotgun 😝
He specifically said a double barrel shotgun, so don't think he won't be coming after regular old 5 shot pumps in the near future...
Buy a semi auto shotty while you can
He can’t band crap.
That’s the reason you need an ar
Please don't go by what biden says. He hasn't stopped lying to us since he was elected 47 years ago.
One type only? Heavy load of #4 birdshot. Small game, birds, deer out to 25 yards and defense to at least that distance. But, of course, have it all.
that was my choice as well.
Agreed!!
I have a number of 12ga. pumps - mostly 870 police mags. But my first go to, for home defense, is a Mossberg 500 youth 20ga with the 18.5" barrel and #1 buck (probably slightly undersized, as it should be .30 cal. but more likely .29 cal. - but still an awesome load).
Several years ago the Federal Government tested various shotgun loads to determine the "best" load for self defense purposes for Federal agencies to use. Their conclusion, if you think they knew what they were doing, was that in all the various conditions a shotgun could be used in an armed incident was to use a 27-pellet, #4 nickel-plated buckshot at 1325fps. load. Fiocchi makes this exact loading in 10-round boxes if you'd like to get some for use. I've had that load in my SD shotty for a long time. Luckily I've never needed to test its effectiveness, but I feel confident it would easily do the job.
20% BB Shot, 70% OO Buckshot, 10% Slugs. This is what I put away for my Shotguns.
Exact same way I tried to store mine. Variety is the spice of life. Wouldn't want to shoot a squirrel with 00? But wouldn't want to try to open a door with birdshot either. Then deer hunting is a whole nother story you better have a slug
How do you afford that? I can only find bird shot for under a dollar a round
@@curbcreeper7012 I keep more birdshot than any other round just because I think it’s more versatile. It’s also the cheapest thing I can find right now and I’d rather eat 1200 squirrels than 100 deer
@ Ben Haynes I started stocking up on ammo before the shortages started and the price went up. Wasn't able to do so with my rifle rounds and my handguns as much as I would like, but I have a decent Supply as long as I don't practice like I used to. Using more dry fire simulations than actual range time. I agree prices are crazy right now. Couldn't stock up the same if I was just now starting.
@@curbcreeper7012 I’m just starting and I was very lucky to get 1000 rounds of brass 5.56 for $450, I have that and carry ammo for my handgun but otherwise I’m fairly limited rn just trying to shoot .25 cent birdshot till my shoulder gives out
Bird, 6, 4, #4 buck, 00 buck, slug.
Flight control wads changed the game a lot.
Shotguns are a big part of my SHTF plan.
Dont forget about DIY "cut shell slugs".
You can make slugs out of typically useless bird shot by simply cutting the shell.
Also 12 guage is the easiest bullet to field reload by hand using black powder and a few simple hand tools & primers.
Hell, Even primers can be made from very easily obtainable ordinary materials.
Remember everyone when you fail to plan, you plan to fail.
Buy yourself a hand shotgun primer tool.
Instead of cut shells, you should try making Flex-Seal slugs. Better than wax slugs because Flex Seal won't melt in your truck. I make them out of cheap bird shot and they are super hard hitters.
Have you ever reloaded 12 guage? It’s easy as hell when primers are a thing you can find or powder
inaccurate, can't use in a pump, may fall apart
however
waxed slugs, cut inside rim, are better :)
You stole my comment.
Cut shells are ok, but break action only. I would never run wax, glue or flex seal slugs through an autoloader, but they are fine for a pump. But I agree, so long as you have primers you can load with black powder, but while reloading primers isn't hard making the priming compound and having ten fingers is a bit more of a trick.
Thanks for the info. I'm still learning about shotguns, all of my firearm knowledge comes from military experience and I've only fired a 590 at a joint range a few years ago. Aside from breaching there isn't a ton of shotgun usage in the Army.
Very interesting! Thank you!
I personally load 12 gauge shotshells with 6mm daisy bbs using leftover shells found at my local range. Thanks to my grandpa for teaching me how to before his passing! 🙏
Do you save $?? About how much does it cost to refill a cartridge as compared as to buying one?
You're saving a good amount of money and you're recycling which is very cost efficient
Because of the weight of a steel bb compared to a lead shot you’ll lose some range . But cheap is good . The plastic wad will protect your barrel.
Steel BBs are hard enough to score a barrel. Steel shot is annealed to the softest possible stage. The wads are also tougher than lead shot wads.
I happened to get an amazing deal on a lot of 12G 7.5/8 shot, however I have also practiced making cut shells/wax slugs and living in a state where all ammo has to be lead free, I have started buying steel bbs for my red Ryder and emptying the lead shot from cheap lead shot shells and loading the steel bbs instead. I have found that one thing to absolutely buy for a shotgun is a set of gauge adapters, I have a set that stacks from 12G-20G, 20G-410/45Colt, 410/45Colt-22LR. The adapters are not perfect by any means, however, it increases the usability of my shotgun for hunting with scavenged ammo if I can't find a functional gun to match the ammo.
Thanks, great info !!!
I liked everything you said but I wish you would have talked about the different chokes for your shotgun.
I thought about it but, I didn't want to get too confusing for newer gun owners out there. Although it can make a huge difference for the effectiveness for certain loads so in hindsight I probably should've at least mentioned it.
You both have great points. Different chokes are definitely part of the equation, but would have been a lot to add to the topic of ammo.
Choke, among others would be a great topic for a subsequent video on the shotgun for SHTF. 👍
Just get improved cylinder chokes and you can shoot anything out of them
Love all your videos; while I have a LOT of each kind of 12gauge ammo I favor larger birdshot (#4, #5, and #6). It’s effective for all around survival.
Lotsa' info without a lot of personal BS . Thank you . Have always been a fan of "SMOOTH BORES" . If I had to leave the house with one choice , it'd probably be this . ALTHOUGH ! a 410 was probably my FIRST LOVE and STILL like them .
A good shoty with a selection of different ammo paired with a handgun would be a very effective defensive plan. I couldn't agree more with your video.
Barrel length and choke are important to consider when choosing shells.
When you mentioned ranges of the various types of shells you didn't mention the shot spread as the pellets travel farther from the end of the barrel. Lighter pellets will spread out father than the heavier pellets, but all will spread. So at the close to maximum range for the load you're using the spread could be large enough that most or all your pellets will miss the target, even when your point of aim is correct. I'd suggest that you spend a couple of each weight pellets you're using to see what the spread is at that range. It could mean eating that night or not. Or worse case scenario if you make it back to your retreat location or not. And even at close range, when the spread is minimal, the shotgun must be aimed like a rifle so you don't miss the target with the same results possibly occurring that I mentioned above.
Agreed on #5. And if Shit really gets bad, you can also turn them into cut-shells.
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if you only have birdshoot you can uncrimp the shells and fill the shoot cup with elmers glue to bind the shoot into slugs just allow to fully cure before recrimping.
I think the best thing to have is a good variety. If your space or budget is limiting you to a few, you need to choose the most important. I would have said 00 buck shot before he mentioned turkey shot. Magic Prepper is right on with his priorities: turkey shot, buck shot, slugs (in that order). I disagree with what he said about not wanting too many types laying around; my policy is the more the merrier. I have one of those 'ammo crates', and when I see something novel at the gun store I often add it. I stock a lot of different types of shells, but mostly bird shot, buck shot, and slugs.
I grabbed a Benelli m4 this winter and I’m stocking any single and 00 buck I can get my hands on. Remington, Winchester, herters, even off brands. Not terribly concerned about shot pattern. Primary guns are AR-15s. The Benelli is my last ditch effort gun for if I should run empty and need to retreat because of an angry heard ( deer, mountain lions, Buffalo, chickens... you name it)
Great video. Just got my first shotgun and was totally overwhelmed when I went to buy ammo.
when stocking up birdshot i pretty much stick to #4 and #5 then slugs and #4 buckshot works great for home defense then the 000 and 00 buck for hunting but when i do get the birdshot in 4s and 5s i try to have everything from2.75 inch to the 3.5 inch shells
Im here cause Joe Biden says double barrel shotgun is all I need
I have a Mossberg as well. Mine doesn't cycle Winchester and some others as well as federal shells. If you compare Winchester shells even all being 2 3/4 are slightly longer than federals which causes it to catch and hang up sometimes. I know shotgun shells aren't exactly all uniform but it can make a difference. Also from my experiences with big game, slugs are the way to go. Like you said, a hand cannon! If 430+ grains going 1500+ fps won't do the job then idk what will. Within 100 yards or so anyways.
I would only add some Winchester AA Low Power/Low Recoil loads for practice, especially with new shooters. Full power loads are hard on my wife, but she loves the Low power loads to practice with.
For new preppers out there, especially the smaller statured ones (men or women) who are on a budget, also look into 20 gauge. It might not be quite as powerful but will still get the job done and if you HATE shooting your 12 gauge, you’ll never practice with it.
The best weapon to have is the one you can afford to buy and afford to practice with. Plus I was seeing shelves and shelves of 20 when 12 was sold out.
Exactly. I started with a 20guage in 7th grade. Now I shoot a 12 but I STILL love my handy little 20 gauge.
It’s a relatively short barrel so it’s not a bad choice at all for home defense. PLENTY of knock down with buck
I was thinking this too and the other issue is with a SHTF scenario where you have to bug out with just what you can carry on your back. You can fit 40% more shells in a given space than with 12 gauge.
Hi my friend. Another great video. Believe it or not I do not own a shotgun yet, however I like Your choices.Great minds think alike.......my all around 12 gauge load would be 2 3/4 #4. I do love Your Turkey load though. The ONE area I MIGHT suggest something a bit different would be 12 gauge Buckshot. I would go with 2 3/4 #1 Buck. The reason? Measure the surface area of the Pellets between #1 and 00 and You are in for a shock! Finally You are dead on when You mention versatility! back in ancient times in Michigan, Farmers always had a shotgun (usually a pump 12 gauge) for most purposes. Add to taht any .22 Rifle and IF the Farmer was "well to do" He usually had a .38 Revolver likely a 4 inch Barrel. Where the Shotgun really shines in Defense (home) is area saturation say a hallway against intruders (think home invasion). Again a GREAT and informative video My hats off to You!
I think the idea of #4 or #5 turkey loads isn't bad if you could only have one. But shotguns are flexible, and IMO the best options, plural, OO buck, #4 birdshot, and non-saboted slugs. If you have a 3.5" 12ga, the Winchester 4 Buck is amazing (54 pellets, at 50 yrds the pattern is the size of table but doesnt really have holes), and #2 or BB birdshot for longer range hunting and small apartments, but that is a specialty item. For 20ga, whatever buckshot you can find, high brass #4 birdshot, but sadly the 20ga is so ignored. But if your first shotgun is a 12ga pump and your second a five or six pound 20ga single, add 410 and 28ga adapters, and all the bases are covered.
For organizing, many years ago Plano made a box made to hold 4 25-shell boxes, but I haven't seen it around. Which is a pity because they are my personal favorites for the grab-and-go. 50 #4, 24 OOB, and a dozen each of 4B and slug, all in one convent little package.
I carry 00 Buck, with 1-2 slugs on my Side saddle on my Mossberg 500. It’s loaded with the Winchester PDX 12g defensive rounds.
I used to spend a lot of time watching the different ammo vs ballistic gel videos , very interesting.
Surprised you didn't mention wax slugs or glue slugs, which can be made from target loads or light game loads for self-defense purchases. They can be very effective for home defense or breeching, on top of survival hunting. That makes bird shot the most versatile in my book.
Got my first 12 guage for this Christmas, I was given a Benelli nova pump action. I have since purchased at least 1500 rounds of bird shot. Slugs and buckshot are crazy expensive rn, so I only have around 150 of each and about 100 rounds of steel 3.5 inch waterfowl shot. I’m glad I have what I have but I would love to have more. Trying to keep enough ammo to be Comfortable with all of my firearms Is very hard rn😭
I love the Mossburg shockwave ..I wish we could own them here in England as easy as you guys can ...
0/0 or number 4 seems the best shell for home defense from all the you tube videos I have sat through daydreaming
Defensive loads can be reloaded with simple fishing weights and any birdshot shell if needed.
Buy Benelli Nova shotguns, they can shoot up to 3 & 1/2 shells factory built. #2 and 00buck shot seem like the all around go to shells. How accurate are basic slugs out of a smoothbore shotgun. We typically just buy #2 and #6 bird shot and 00buck, I know my pop bought some sabot rounds years ago that he's only used, and I haven't seen slugs in my area in a long time.
I keep double buck and a few rounds of #4 Pheasant loads on my 870 tactical. Good video.
Shotguns are just plain awesome.
I have several of different styles, break action singl shots, pumps, semis, double barrels.
The most versatile is the single barrel, break action. You can shoot litterly anything out of it, especially with chamber adapters. If you run out of ammo, but have primers and powder, you can turn a single shot gun into a muzzle loader
Thanks!
I actually have #2 goose loads for home defense, works at home defense distances, won't go through exterior walls. A slug is a poor man's anti-materiel round, we can't all buy a Barrett. Good for an engine of a threatening vehicle.
That is an EXCELLENT choice!
#5 up to small game I can see, up to medium small mammals, but #4 an up buckshot for defense, slugs for larger game. Just for the record tho, so you know, a breaching round is sintered metal, think like powdered metal compressed into a slug, the reason for it is no back blast of shot to the breacher or others in the stack on the entry team, an no harm to anybody on the other side of the door, or it at least limits any harm to others, accidents can still happen tho, when the lock or doorknob comes flying apart. Thx for the vid.
LOL! Specialty rounds for the “hot air balloons”. All in all I think yes, #5 turkey shot is great! It will stop all the “Jive Turkeys” trying to get into my home and steal my stuff but won’t destroy through the walls of my house. Thanks MP!
For myself and my area i have found that 7 1/2 is my all around favorite
I prefer a number 4 high brass as the overall best load. Alittle tighter pattern
I love how winchester came out with the pdx rounds like theyre a special, new thing. Buck and ball rounds were very effective at close range in the civil war. Against single assailants.. eh, maybe an alternative to normal buckshot.
I do like the idea of a pump shotgun or a lever/bolt rifle for looong term shtf, with the ability to function with black powder
I've bought a lot of everything common. I bought 8 boxes of 100 rounds of bird shot for like $25 a box, 40 or so boxes of 20 round 2 3/4 00 buck 9 pellets (says military use only green cased) for about $11 a box and 30 boxes of 20 round boxed 2 3/4 slugs for $9 a piece just 3 years ago, with great timing before the whole pandemic happened. I thought I was made an unwise choice at the time bc I don't shoot my shotgun that often but now I'm wishing I had bought more.
I like the brush cleaning shot shell.
Waxxers/cut shells are my plan. Slugs and buck shot are too expensive to keep heaps of them on hand.
@Magic Prepper
A lot of wisdom and knowledge in this video. Thanks for sharing.
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Stockpile powder, primers and wads. Anything can be stuffed in a shotgun shell. Rocks, glass, pieces of wire, nails, bearings, etc. Anything hard and heavy. I have used old sewer pipe joint lead melted and poured into a 1/2 inch copper pipe.
Reloading can be done with some rudimentary tools and some chunks of wood in an emergency, but get a good reloader.
In an emergency, you can do without the wad and it is possible to make powder, but it would be very important to have a large supply of primers.
Slugs and bird shot r my go too !!!!!!
Them damn geese and hot air balloons that's why I own a shotgun!
#6, 00, and some slugs. The #5 tungsten turkey load is pretty impressive, but, overall, I'd still opt for #6 as an all-around game getter, through a modified choke.
My shotty spread is 00 buck, slugs, 7-1/2, 6 and 4 turkey. Also choke tubes to maximize each loading
Everything you talked about was very interesting, some day I hope to get me a shotgun. I guess I’m behind but since a rifle got stolen with five thousand rounds I just haven’t had money to replace anything. Guess that will be on my wish list. Everyone have a wonderful day and remember Danny loves ya God Bless
I was thinking the same 😂
I always buy turkey shot and train with it
All stores around my area are completely sold out of any and all shotshells (including 410 and 28ga). The only reason I'm still going out and busting clays is that I stockpiled flats in a corner of my basement for years during sales.
I reload my own between
.31cal=0bk
.36cal=00bk
.69 cal =slug you can meltdown any birdshot and cast it into any outher round you need. Also works with my .50 muzzle loader black powder
Or buck and ball
I somewhat agree, I personally think a high brass #4
Rifle slugs from a 20 inch pump 12 gage with a scope can make 2-4 inch groups at 50 yards.
I personally have a lot of 2 1/4” 12ga OO 1250fps stocked up. It allows me to put 9 instead of 8 shells in my 590.
Although I don't hunt anything but elk, I still keep a 12 gauge around. Shotguns are so versatile and cost effictive, it's hard not not to have. Great exploration of most of the possible loads. What do you think of coyote loads? I've been keeping some for both coyotes and general property defense, and found the shot size and spread to be great for anything under 40yds.
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Good informational video , thanks for sharing , God bless !
I have a 20 ga pump.
I have mainly #3 & #4 Buckshot.
Quite a few slugs and some #4 & #6 shot.