PDX1 12ga. Defender Rounds- The PERFECT Home Defense Round?
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- Опубликовано: 25 апр 2021
- A kind viewer wanted to see us test these and sent two boxes. This certainly isn't a new product, but one we have never tested. Since so many companies use gimmicks and yank your emotional senses to try to sell stuff, it can be hard to sort out what is actually good or marketing hype.
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I love seeing a cop wear a shirt that says "nobody is coming, it's up to you". It's the truth and more people need to realize it.
Exactly, the police are too busy molesting someone on their way home from working late to respond quick enough. Stopping criminals doesn't pay the bills
I was thinking the exact same thing
As far as I'm concerned, the police exist to apprehend my murderer, and bring them to justice, not to protect me or my family.
I have no constitutional right to police protection.
police are their for the aftermath
I want them to react to the crazy teacher that stated that she wouldn't call the police nor own a gun, so her answer was like: "It would be my time to go."
I bet they'd lose a lot if brain cells.
"liability balls" my new favorite novelty insult!
@Every Single Average Day
Just ask your wife. It’s always your fault.
There's a lot of guys paying child support because of those!
Sounds like a perfect name for OG's next band. 😄
Why do men make more than woman?
Liability balls!
That was my nickname in college
Love all the Paul *Harrell* references.
He’s one of my favorite RUclipsrs.
Yep, we enjoy his stuff too
Except OG kept mispronouncing his name.
@@MrEazyE357 woosh
He will be missed by many
@@Kinetic.44 Get him to 1 Million
This was what they called “buck an ball” during the civil war. It was deadly when used in rows, putting a hold in you target and two smaller holes in the people next to your target
Was looking for this comment, I knew someone was going to say that in the few months it's been posted.
Was also used by American forces during the War if 1812. The typical range for engagement then was about 40 yards so, the spread of the buck and ball could, in theory, hit several people....considering they literally stood shoulder to shoulder.
@@jodyethridge7576 Also commonly known as “grape shot” when discussing the civil war or the 1812 conflict…….
@@hardtack8776 grapeshot was a cannon fired charge used by the Navies. Sack of powder was nailed or tied to a wood plug which had a sack of bound steel balls nailed or tied to the other side. Substitute the sack of balls for a thin walled "can" and you have the artillery's version called "cannister".
@@jodyethridge7576 Quite aware of that Jody, but many people referred to “buck and ball” as “grape shot” as well as carried over from the use by the Navy, etc.
I’ve heard many folks knowledgeable about history refer to it as such going back over 50 years.
I never get tired of the ricochet vibration sound. I smile like a kid every time I do it. It's even better in real life than on film.
I do too, especially when shooting round nose .22lr at frozen ponds in the winter
What causes that sound?
@@SR-wz2iv when the projectile hits and flies off in a way that it's imbalanced. The lead deforms on impact, ricichets off, and spins at super high rpm creating the prrrrrrewwwwwmmm sound.
Sounds a lot different when it is a ricochet coming towards you.
Pachoooooow
Slicing open 5 dollar a round ammo just for the video's intro.
What a Chad.
Rock on guys!
tauflederchad
TaoflederFlex
Its 1.50 a round. They say in the beginning its 14.99 a box for 10 rounds.
@@OGsDangerShow Greetings my thick Fingered recoil loving Friend . At about 19 minutes you mentioned new Shotgun owners advice . My old field Pard has a wife who has a bunch of Older than Female Friends . These gals are close to 70 and went out and bought 12 ga for home defense Ha ha . My Pard takes his harem to the indoor commercial Range where Slugs only are allowed , no Shot . The recoil is beating these old Gals to death , but They Like it ? I went in my stash and got a Box from about 2005 vintage of reduced recoil Slugs . I doubt it has been a catalog item for years ? Chuck is dead He is not coming and these are left over Slugs from his last years of Hunting . Dad used 12 gauge Sluggers from Remington for decades . They were 1600 fps Max loads 1 once , similar to my trusty Winchesters . He was full of Arthritis and he loved the low recoil Slugs and I got 3 more Seasons out of him before he quit Hunting . RR12-RS - 5pk is the part number , 3 dram Eq and the Box Claims 43 % less recoil . After my Pard told me that his Wife and her Girl friends probably should not shoot 20 ga slugs I started looking for s Spare Box of these lower recoil Slugs . Of course i had to wipe the Tears of Laughter from my Eyes first . Perhaps you have more info on a Modern loading similar to the 2005 vintage ammo for Jeff"s Viewers who are new Shotgun owners . Its all up to you Mr Slug Guru .
@@psillysimon when purchased, not what the price would be now
PDX round: It adds Insult (buckshot) to Injury (slug). I have a box of these from when I bought my shotgun last summer. They were the only slugs left in the store so... there you have it. Glad to see they work, even if they are gimmicky.
I can tell you from first hand experience these things work great for their intended purpose. I loaded them into my bedside home defense shotgun months ago and since then I've had zero home invasions!
A group of people at Winchester got together and talked about new products. One brought up a slug with 3 pellets of buckshot added to it. A smart person said "what does that add? Do 3 pellets help you against a thing that shrugs off the slug???", and an even smarter person piped up with "We can charge extra for this, right?"
If it can shrug off a shot gun slug run away 🤣
Or.............shoot it again.
@@jamesgroce3125
If two slugs dont work, run as fast as you can lol
"Jacque! Get the 9.3×74R! Quickly!"
Lmao. True
"Sinaloa Cartel Memorial Range" ? Damn OG starting the video at FULL SEND !
This round is definitely a destroyer if you have an auto. Its amazing to lay down a few rounds back to back. You see why this matters for defense when successive shots are layed down.
How is no one talking about the “boop” at 7:33 I am dying. I have watched like 10 times and it only gets funnier.
lol
Please don't cut too soon, please don't cut too soon, please don...*boop* :D
7:32
This round makes me want to see a fully auto belt fed shotgun even more, because now there’s a perfect round to use in it
Please please please!
It shall be called the jam-omatic.
I heard if you say Paul Harrell's name three times he appears behind you with a high tech meat target.
Perfect way to introduce him as a guest in a vidjéo some day.
@@juangonzalez9848 oooo i like that idea.
When I die donate my body to Paul Harrell
and a new and improved fleece bullet stop.
No, you become the meat target
My initial thought was, "if you have a slug in the shell, what will 3 additional pellets be good for?". Anyway, it's always great to see you guys and some slow-mo action :)
@@eaglegapinstituteofintensi228 Hello there :) Thank you.
getting shot by 3 22s kind of sucks
They also make a segmented slug, which I prefer. It stays together down range but breaks into 3 chunks in the target, which seems like the best of both worlds to me.
@@jpoeng same here
Because if you aim for a leg, you may need shot! Just if you miss, why not have both! The slug worked fine, and you had the additional damage. We all miss on occasion!
Thanks for the review and info. I wouldn't go out seeking this round, but if was all I could find, at least we know what to expect. That's better than not knowing.
Exactly!! thanks Kevin
You guys are awesome...You're friendly, and informational. What you guys do is so important, and true! As another commenter said. You guys are real, and greatly appreciated.
oh stop it! lol
Over Penetration was the name of my 90's Acid Rock group!!
mine was "three little toadies".
You're the guy! I tried to register than name for my 90s adult video production studio!
Got somewhere i can find the music?
Nothing got recorded because didn't make it out of the basement.
Not just a series of adult films.
I like the way you sliced the round open so we can see the side view. Yet another example of why this is a quality channel.
Nice touch i though, and I'm not expert my any measure, but I see no reason why Jeff couldn't just reload the projectile into another shell after?
I love your skepticism and concern for collateral damage, very professional approach.
Love the "let's boogie" gummy bear and the nose on the gummy head wagging back and forth! You guys are truly the best!
The .410 version is hilarious shooting out of the Taurus Judge
You should try shooting them out of a Bond Arms Snakeslayer 😉
@@DemocracyDiesInDarkness Too much fun, those little things.
@@DemocracyDiesInDarkness
My boss has that gun. How did it go?
It's 3 plated disc's and a bunch of small pellets. Beyond point blank the birdshot go everywhere. Granted I have the 2" barrel version.
A circuit judge will throw a 16-inch pattern at 10 feet with a 3-inch pattern for the pucks.
OG has funny bones man. He always finds some way to keep it light and amusing, while also being serious. The way the best teachers always are. I bet he's a hell of an instructor.
Thanks, as always, for taking the time to make this content for us. It is much appreciated. :D
He seems like one of those buddies that you have a laugh headache for the rest of the night, after hanging out with!
OG is my favorite dude on this channel. Dude is hilarious
@@GrumpyGenXGramps
Nope. Just a regular headache.
I find him nearly insufferable, and very insecure
@@zerpblerd5966 Problem might be with you man. He's goofy but I don't find him annoying
Both of you guys are great, and shouldn't worry about what any nut-job says!! Been watching your show for years, and haven't seen a bad one yet so, THANK YOU FOR WHAT YOU DO!!!
thank you for the nice words!
That is cool you guys blew bubbles; I didn't know he was back in town.
Me to my ARs: "I think I need to start seeing other guns. I still like you. It's me, not you."
Try doing airsoft with an airsoft shotgun against guys with airsoft AR's. You'll realize very fast why AR's are superior home defense firearms. If you miss with the first shot, by the time you rack in a shell and fire, the other guy already will have shot at you (and likely hit you) five times. You also can't engage multiple targets as fast as with an AR.
@@wigon lol that’s airsoft you weeb. In real life you don’t miss with the shotgun lol
You can quite easily miss with a shotgun.
@@EldrichtKnight Truth
Let's get back on track:
Your AR won't mind. AR's know what they have to offer. You may go out and squeeze other triggers, but that sweet gentle recoil will have you back for more.
Love you guys. We don't all fast forward. Some of us are old school and still appreciate this stuff
Thanks Kurt. I love your “never mind” album.
Thanks, I love your service. On and off the camera.
And side note: I didn't kill myself, neither did Jeffrey epstein.
Kurt Cobain always loved shotguns
it’s cool to see all the buffer flying out like snow!!!
I’m glad you guys are advertising this as a gimmick round and to not buy them, because hopefully they can be found and in abundance and hopefully the price will be affordable when they are found for sell. I have these rounds and I want more, I live alone in my house and in the city one should be prepared for multiple threats, and usually when bad guys break in a home there standing close together so I’m not worried about flyers from the buckshot and I know how devastating a slug is on impact so when they are combined it works well for my application, this is also to be used at close quarters. I don’t care for flight control buckshot because in my opinion buckshot is designed to spread. That’s what makes a shotgun a shotgun lol
That “boop!” during the slowmo made me laugh out loud.
I've got a couple of these in storage for a rainy day. Thanks for the video.
Same
Thanks Chuck from Alaska not Michigan!
In the civil war the Springfield .69 cal smoothbore muskets shot what was called a "buck and ball". A 69 ball round and 3 miniballs on top just like this slug. They were more of a group targets type round and would usually wound more enemy's than kill, and genrals liked that bc the wounded had to be carried off by even more soldiers. If they were shooting for accuracy at max range they could also load the round reversed and the miniballs had less spread untill further out. Love the vids guys!!!
Totally enjoyed the testing and all the different targets. Great demo of all the rounds. IMHO the three pellets provide additional wound channels for faster shock/BP loss to incapacitate your attacker/robber/etc.
12:48, it falls in the "air freshener" realm of targets. I don't know about you, but I think sulfur and citrus go really well together!
When life gives you lemons, make an air freshener?
As the late Sean Connery is said to have uttered... "I shprayed Febreze in ma bathroom... Now it shmells like 'Shitrus!'"
HEY!!! My other favorite RUclipsr! Love your car man!!
where's the sulfur?
@@pacman10182 I use flint locks... cut me some slack...
Y'all don't have to explain the fun silly targets. I can't imagine there are many viewers who _don't_ enjoy watching random things go kablooie. :-)
Where was he aiming?!?! !!
@@volvo09 At the thing.
And the video was posted 6 hours ago?
@@josephbosse7889 Patreon supporters get early access.
My favorites were the tater-mouse and the don’t bread on me snake.
I just wanted to say I have been watching a lot of your videos late, I love the humor that Greg has also Greg thank you for your service!!! Then all the work that the shy guy that works the camera and putts in to this channel Thank you I really appreciate all you do this give me a lot of great information I like all the great stuff you put on here the retail stuff that I can buy is great to know what it would do. Again Thank you keep up the work I will keep liking all of your videos!!!!! 🤟
14:45 that is a 1950's Hollywood worthy ricochet sound!
Sounds like a cat.
"Looks line a bunny!" That's why Elmer Fudd always used buckshot.
Wabbit season!
“What about that little guy?”
“That little guy? I wouldn’t worry about that little guy...”
5:00
I'm glad someone else thought about that same exact scene. 😂
I can picture OG as a Super Trooper.
I carried this stuff when working in the arctic. I wasn’t hunting anything, but a hungry polar bear would hunt me. My philosophy was maximum impact over a larger area to dissuade the big white fuzzy wuzzy from continuing towards me. And I certainly didn’t care about over penetration out on the tundra. 😉
good choice, i would take theses over a 30-06 or even 300 win mag bolt gun
Great video production and informative as always.
Thank you.
Much appreciated!
My guess ; "if you hit, you'll hit hard, but if you miss in panic shot, you'll still may hit something"
Why not just use normal buckshot or flight-control buckshot then? Why throw the slug in there to complicate matters if you DO miss a panic shot?
i would want theses if i was in Grizzly and wolf country where i may have to fire shots while running for my life at the same time
Now, now, if you don't stop calling him "Paul Farrell", he might start making references to "Taoflederfuds". Don't make him count to two!
The slow motion pics always tells the true story of what’s happening !
"Nobody is coming.. it's up to you" I really needed to hear that.
The "boop" when the wad hit the pole I giggled way to hard at.
I picked up a box of these in the before days.
My older brother put me onto these when poor trigger discipline resulted in a rather sizable sun roof in his roof overhang/gutter
@@WhuDhat ooof
Before the dark times... Before the Empire.
So you thinking bout flippin em for $400?
Yeah, I had several boxes of these. They were awesome.
The “liability” balls seem more like insurance rounds, especially in a home defense scenario. It seems unlikely you would have the opportunity to setup the perfect aim in that case so if you’re aiming in the general direction those extra pellets can definitely come through!
Or they would miss and hit whoever in the other room
@@MarcusGW1028 I guess if you live alone, it’s pretty good then?
Why not just use buckshot to have more insurance? Think I'll just interchange the rounds. First two rounds buckshot the next shot a slug.
@@MarcusGW1028 why would you take the shot if you have a chance at hitting someone else? A slug would over-penetrate and still risk "going in the other room"
@@seanjokela isn’t the Winchester defense slug segmented to fragment into 3 pieces?
“Sinaloa Cartel Memorial Rifle Range”. LOL.
This was done with black powder weapons during the American Civil War. In a situation where someone is having to fire at another person, it is not uncommon to miss due to the stress.
Yep, No "liability balls" when you're up against line infantry.
For those interested, loading a standard ball with a trio of ~.38 caliber balls on top of it in a musket is called buck and ball. No points for guessing why...
This round was designed to confuse forensic firearms examiners. "There must have been two shooters".
Brilliant
Grissom would have figured it.
I think the intention of this round is for home defense application, and the pellets are there in case your slug isn't right on target. Meaning if you were to barely miss with the slug then hopefully a 00 pellet would impact. I would use these as an escalation lol 00 buck first, then pdx, last slug lol alternating. At any rate seems like it couldn't hurt in the proper situation, thanks guys for showing these.
So adding to the rounds going through the kids room.
That makes no sense
I love the sound ricocheting bullets. It reminds me of those old black and white western movies my dad used to watch when I was a kid
As soon as I saw the cutaway, my first thought was that the rounded tip of the slug shoving the buckshot down the barrel is going to force them to spread like warm cream cheese.
Mmmm cheese
I get a little sad when I think about how clear the mountains were as a child in the valley... Madera 1974
I lived in Madera . Loved going up to shaver lake area and fishing dinky creek and tons of other rivers up there
Is that where these guys are ?
That's interesting, because in the '70s you often couldn't see the Sierra Madres from LA because of all the smog, but now you can (unless it's cloudy).
Ok, ok wait a minute.....are you telling me that this is filmed in madera???
Modesto, 1950s. You could see Yosemite and the high Sierra. Sometimes in these videos you can still see snow-capped peaks in the distance.
Those oh-so familiar river bottoms they shoot in, too, make me homesick with memories of a beagle and a .22.
Cool. I heard about these a while ago, and wondered if anyone tested their effects. Then it slipped my mind. Thanks for this.
Excellent testing. Thanks.
Og: we're back at the senaloa cartel memorial rifle range.... 😂😂😂
i dont get it
@@agustinc.368 you must be fun at parties
@@agustinc.368 hes laughing at the way he said "Sinaloa" looll white american people accent turns it into SEEENELOOLAA
@@jerenjaack4407 ohh I know, but is there really a Sinaloa cartel memorial rifle range ? Because I am interested
@@agustinc.368 no dude that’s part of the joke lol
Looks like OG finally took some marksmanship lessons from Breanna. 😆
I just did an internet check. Midway sells a box, 10 rounds of these PDX1 12ga. Defender Rounds for $19.99. When you said the price that you did I had to check some current pricing because I bought 1/2 a case back in 2015 for home deference. Lucky me I still have it and thought I was sitting on a small fortune. Thank you for providing us with the good videos that you create. Also, i see this isn't as lethal as I thought they would be, time to go shooting with some of these
I love OG sense of humor it is just awesome
We call that, Uncle Stapler, because it hasn't worked for years, but it doesn't bother anybody, so we haven't got rid of it.
"Maybe he doesn't like Chuck call him Charles! CHARLES!!!"
*full auto turrets continue friendly fire*
Classic
Whats that cousins name?
Maybe he dosen't answer to Chuck.
I actually have a bunch of these and forgot what they are. Thanks for Tau!
I fast forwarded to the last 6 seconds. Great video!
Excellent vid as always gentlemen!
& much respect to the generous viewer who sent the rounds in the name of science!
I’ll be keeping an eye out for your vid Officer Greg!
Stay frosty!
✌🏼
Thanks man. Coming soon.
8:36 What's the reason the attention span is so short these days? I had to fast forward a bit there
😆. Exactly.
Thanks! I wondered about this ammo! Also love your shirt!
"Home defense" when you want to kill the intruder AND your 3 kids all at once!
Federal Flite-Control is one of the best buckshot cartridges ever made. Love that stuff.
It’s what we use at work.
@@OGsDangerShow hell I don't blame you, OG!
Haven't seen any around my location for a long time. I might have to become one of those weirdos that orders ammo online.
Yup... Wish I could find some!
Everyone Loves that stuff. Don't we want the buckshot to spread open.. covering more area? I have never seen any for sale anywhere, ever. It's like a Unicorn. If our goal was a tight group, shouldn't we be using an AK? We can all agree, whatever your system is... PRACTICE PRACTICE PRACTICE.
"We call this 'The Clown Round'. Along with the 1oz slug, you get 6oz of rainbow confetti and a 120Db whistler!"
BANG WEEeEeEEEEEeeeeEEeeeEEEEEEEE "SURPRISE MFer!"
a shell 8 inches long you can only load into a break open with a flare, a bean bag round, some bird shot, some buck shot, two slugs wrapped in flechettes. call it the all dressed round
@@imchris5000 Ah, Canadian I see. Hello brother to the north.
Holy hell that killed me! I must of laughed for five minutes. "SURPRISE MFer" 🤣
" Yo dog, we heard you like slugs. So we put a slug in your slug so you can slug while you slug!"
@@imchris5000 if Old Dutch made shotgun rounds!
I love the attention to detail when they point out the distance to the car way off in the distance at 10:15.
This is the earliest I've ever seen this thing, and it's already over an hour old.
My God youtube, give me the notifications I ask for!
Officer Greg always makes my day !!!
Great video guys !!!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Gentleman I really enjoy the hell out of your videos, and they are way better than tiktok. And I love that t-shirt nobody is coming, it's up to you.
Nobody coming it's up to you! Love the channel and content keep up the great work! I'm here for the algorithm!
Thanks Benjamin!
I hope this dispels the myth for everyone that you don't have to aim a shotgun.
It will never dispel the myth. Just read the comment section and you will see all of the clowns who want a truck sized group so that they can hopefully hit the bad guy with at least one pellet while destroying their entire living room.
@@OGsDangerShow amen!
Biden said "Get a shotgun!" so I got 3.
It's more the difference between hitting someone and missing the vitals or hitting someone with enough of a spread that there's no way you missed something vital.
In intense combat situations it is higly possible that you may miss slightly with your buckshot and that turns your liability balls into guarantor balls. And the average home owner defending there home likely don't shoot or even carry every day and arent as sharp as you and can use the extra shots as they may be the difference between life and death. Outstanding as usual👌
He summed that up perfectly. It's like shooting a slug with 3 liability rounds behind it.
Looks like a variation on the VERY old "Buck and Ball" shotgun loads, and even what they used to call "Ball and Swan Drops." But hey - that was more than 100 years ago. I guess I'm old. Stay well!!
Been a subbed for almost a decade...."let's bring out the stupid stuff"....really fellas?...that is why I subbed in the beginning. 😉
The intent of the "liability balls" is to sell ammunition. The blacked out box and shell coloring helps with sales also. Something that really isn't a problem right now.
That ricochet noise is amazing
The high speed camera work was exceptional on this one!
OG had some great shooting!
I’ve bought severa gimmicky rounds over the years. Cabelas “Herters” brand had double ball with like 2 go cal balls, some with one large ball and some buck shot... I bought it because it used to be like $6 for 10 rounds.
thanks!
buck and ball
That flight control is wicked, definitely going to look into it! 👍🏻
Send only the best ™
I love this channel have for years
the black haze around the target just makes me imagine Riza Hawkeye practicing to bust Truth in its stupid non-face after it took Roy's sight despite him not actually opening the Door himself
What on earth
What does this mean
I must be the other chuck on Michigan!
Also, I love the dopplar ricochet sound
12:49 "Well, some targets have a practical, logical use. Others are just purely visual. And I'm not really sure where this one falls."
Answer. _In a large radius._
This line was pretty perfect.
@@apancher
thank you.
I like how he immediately talks down on the round before shooting and then it proves efficient lol
It does work exactly like they claim. The problem with these is the combined weight of all the projectiles. It's a pretty heavy load. In order to make the recoil tolerable they reduced the powder load so the velocity and overall energy is less than if one just shot buckshot or just shot a slug.
That federal flight control is impressive. Thanks guys. Love this channel.
thanks
I'd really love to see buckshot with birdshot filling the empty spaces. Should be a good defensive load with the extra weight from the birdshot taking some of the heat off the buck while filling in the pattern a bit more.
Steel birdshot at that!
Look at 3” turkey loads. Some are even blended, containing #5, #6, and #7 shot in one shell
I like the Defender ammo, after my own extensive testing,,, about 30 rounds anyway. Another great option to 00 Buckshot or standard 1 ounce slugs,,, Try #1 Buckshot, if you can still find any. It accomplishes what you are talking about.
@@judgementgaming3270 I had some #4/#5/#6 mixed 3” shells.
@@boomstick4054 very nice! 👍
>Brianna's having a red baby!!!
With that you guys just sold me a box of chalk. 🤣
In my experience the pdx 12 has noticeably less recoil than a standard slug, plus the additional "if I miss I might still hit with something" I like the pdx
I buy into the gimmick. I pray I never need it, but if evil Knocks.. I have a response.
‘If I miss the bad guy, I can still hit a number of innocent bystanders.’ Outstanding stupidity.
@@raleighthomas3079 oh Brother. I bet you use the safety on a pump shotgun too. Take your Vax, wear your mask. You will be 100% safe. The petrol dollar is going to collapse...
You got way bigger problems than stray buckshot in your future.
@@raleighthomas3079 do you feel this way about all buckshot?
Crazy stuff 👍👍I love the slow mo
Nice channel 👌👌 pls more
thank you
I bought a bunch of these a few years ago when on sale for $1/rd. Now they are probably worth their weight in gold.
They are cheap again
Imagine a situation where you couldn’t take the time to have that “perfect aim” you will wish you had three other projectiles hitting your target
Then just use buckshot
@@kylemackinnon6230 That might make a little bit of sense
I shot a lot of these Winchester Defender rounds when they first were on shelves. They ALWAYS pattern the 3 buckshot in a perfect triangle around the slug.
You should try the 2 liter bottles with the blast caps(purchased at Wally World) and colored powder. Bottles explode and color flies.
Good idea. I'll call them powder puffs.
Buck and ball has been around for a long time. I imagine it might be most effective in a massed-troops Napoleanic-type conflict with smooth bores. Seems like it was a favorite on the frontier, as well.