I am so sorry that you were hurt so bad by the people and pastors in church that you turned your back completely on God. The Bible speaks to this very thing in the great falling away. You’re in my prayers even if you don’t want them.
For me that's just an argument that you can keep throwing infinitely from both sides and never get anywhere. For example if you could answer what made god or the big bang, you then could just keep asking "well where did the thing, that made that thing come from?" it goes on forever and you never get anywhere, so while it's a valid question for both sides to ask themselves, it's a stupid argumentative or debate point mostly... In my opinion...
This is a good way to look at it. God is omniscient, omnipotent, and omnipresent. Which is all knowing, all powerful and always present. The misconception seen in the Bible is that the first lines say in the beginning and assume it is the beginning of God and everything, from literal word for word translations of the Bible from its original language its shown that it is meant to say in the beginning of creation. God is THE Creator. Origin and giver of life. Creation means it has been brought into existence. God is omnipresent meaning he has always existed, the beginning and the end not brought into the beginning nor brought into the end.
*QUESTION:* Does the 'Omnicient, Omnipotent, Omnipresent god', that _you want us to believe in…_ …KNOW who goes to heaven, and who goes to 'hell'… …BEFORE he "creates" each person? YES or NO? - I'll wait 🍿
*QUESTION:* Does the 'Omnicient, Omnipotent, Omnipresent god', that _you want us to believe in…_ …KNOW who goes to heaven, and who goes to 'hell'… …BEFORE he "creates" each person? YES or NO? - I'll wait 🍿
@007dog1 *You* are a correctly logical dawg! Agreed! Here 👍 🏆 If you're a good 'ol fashioned solid Calvinist - OR - whatever sect you follow that shares those; "Pre-Chosen - A Holy Nation, A Royal People" - crossover beliefs where the bible emphasizes a "Narrow Path and Few Will Enter" etc. Only "the faithful Chosen Ones shall enter.' And the warning message of "I never knew ye" kind of stuff is more bible drama, threat messaging and warnings that out of all humans your Dad creates… …we can all agree that only a small relative few will make it to "heaven"… …and only if they think and believe exactly like *you* do… …because *your* specific way of thinking and believing about getting to a presuppositional, so-called "heaven"… …is the 100% absolutley, perfectly correct way to believe in whatever it is you precisely believe to 'get to heaven,' correct❓ Your specific belief sets HAVE to be 100% absolutely, perfectly correct, or _you're screwed!"_ I agree! This is about YOUR "Salvation," not mine. I mean, if your "Salvation Beliefs" are not the 100% Perfect Salvation Beliefs, then *why not❓* I grant you all *that* and agree with you, that your way of thinking and believing is the 100% only possible way the Christian Salvation Model can work. Since I agree with you on that, you should have no problem with replying back to me: with "NOW YER GETTIN GETTIN' IT, PILGRIM' 😂👍 And should immediately confirm we're in agreement on all that. Which leads us to *The Question:* Since we agree Pre-Desination is the deal, and we agree that whatever 'free will' we humans have, it *cannot overcome the free will, predetermination of the god,* who first determined who would go to heaven BEFORE creating them. Already the known and determined Final Destination by the god before the human is created… *…then why should we,* the predetermined for torture fun by your Dad, why should we care about your god❓ It makes no difference. He "Never Knew Us." We have no reason to further be concerned. We can't change you're god's will that he first had.
@@evangelicalsnever-lie9792 Something seems to be causing to hold unto something thats not there. Imagine this, that a person gets condemned for condemning something in the bible thats not even there. That would truly confound that person dont you think? I could explain that very thing you keep repeating on how thats not even true but if you truly sought out who God was, you wouldve known how God will judge the world. Imagine if somebody could time travel into the future, knew all that was going to happen, and then came back to his time. How wise would the people be to tell that man "because you knew what was going to happen in the future, its your fault that all this has happened"?
@@007dog1 WHY YA DODGIN' THE QUESTIONS PILGRIM ❓ Are your specific "Salvation Beliefs" the absolutely 100% perfectly correct salvation beliefs? YES or NO❓
Did what Adam has done just make you give up? Adam will have to answer for those things he has done but you seem that you have become bewitched. I can’t believe such a change in you. What does it matter where YHWH came from? The fact is that He is and you believe or not. I am so sorry this has happened to you but Yeshua is real and I’d never call Him by any other name anymore. I know you will get a good laugh from this but, I’ll be praying for you Justin.
Is this guy serious? I mean I no he’s mocking Christian’s. But in doing so he’s making a fool of himself. No Christian whom is rooted in the scriptures as well as epistemology would say something this dumb.
@@BulletHolesintheBible I seen Sean Griffin and watched his video so that I could help brothers and sisters refute his error and false teachings. Well I’m looking into the Hebrew roots I realized you used to be apart of this heretical sect of so called Christians. Now I understand why your interpretations of scripture are so far off. It’s like The Bible was written in a language unable to be interpreted because your brain has been completely blocked off to the Truth, Context, Exegesis, Historicity, Argumentation, as well as the simplicity of The Gospel. Friend I genuinely pray for you. I don’t want to offend you. But I cannot hold back. Just as I told Aron Ra and Matt Dillahunty, one day you will die. On that die you will find out that Jesus is Truth, that Jesus is Who He claimed to be. He doesn’t need me to stick up for Him. I’m tell you this because there will come a time when there is no grace or repentance offered to you on that dreadful day death comes calling your name. When death calls my name I pray ALL rejoice as I will be with My Messiah Only because of His Grace, nothing if my own merit. Matter of fact before Christ Saved me I was a convict, drug addict, prison and street gang member. After salvation Gods Spirit began cleaning or sanctifying me, my heart and mind changed towards my sin and now daily by Gods Grace I deny myself praying Gods Will be done regardless of how hard it is to lay aside my wants and desires. Also my sufferings have become my greatest experiences and if I told you more you wouldn’t be able to understand how one could say that these very hard times Iv been through have become my greatest joys. I’ll give you my email if your interested in communicating about these things. Oh, I also told Ra and Matt that for over 2000 years Jesus has been worshipped, Loved, Glorified, Praised, Revered, hated, persecuted, blasphemed, but Jesus is Lord, Jesus is King and there is nothing you can do about this. Time itself is related to His Death and Resurrection, language flows towards Jerusalem, Yahweh is Sovereign and Jesus is Beginning and End. He will be worshipped and loved for Eternity and the rest of time as we know it. This hate and disdain for Him that you have is only going to devour and destroy you. When you die you will be forgotten about eventually just like everyone else although there are exceptions of important people. But none like Christ, None have been Exalted like Christ and None will ever be because Jesus is High and Lifted Up! Hallelujah and God Bless you my friend.
I had an uncle that was scorned by people in the church and turned his back on God to sounded like to me he was worshiping the people more than God in the first place
*QUESTION:* Does the 'Omnicient, Omnipotent, Omnipresent god', that _you want us to believe in…_ …KNOW who goes to heaven, and who goes to 'hell'… …BEFORE he "creates" each person? YES or NO? - I'll wait 🍿
@@BulletHolesintheBible It hit me the other day. And a new Short suggestion I submit for your consideration: The word "Swine" in the Bible. Here's my analysis break down: 1). The most hated and loathed animal in Jewish culture. More pork for me! 2). "SVVINE‼️" The aggressive, caustic, "N" word of the day. Not that Infantrymen are butthurt about it. We know what real cussing is and invent new cuss words 😂👍 It still is a pointed yell of disgust, in some respects. Ever have a woman shriek PIG! playfully or semi-annoyed? They're right - we men can be pigs at times 😂👍 The Germanic cultural use of the "SWINE-HUND!" "Pig dog." Say it with me - loud with command authority, like a Nazi. Because despite fascists being horrible, and I served in truly 'fascistic units' - and liked it 😱👀👈 Still working on moderation and democratic principles myself - BUT - it still cracks a grin to shout it out because it's fun to say in jest 😂 "SVVINE WHOOND! Not making light of horrible Nazism - I'm Anti Fascist, unless my facist side switch is clicked 😭 But they were funny caricatures at times. A funny usage would be like when being beaten in a hand of poker with buddies or any contest where you all actually love each other. Playfully shout it with me and chuckle. Sorry, stupid barracks stuff and off topic but my inner-fascist likes shouting it playfully at times with friends but not with hate. Unless I have a legitimate target 😂 3). Hence, Jesus sets a pattern of sullen butt hurt behavior in multiple instances, and even more in the supposed apocryphal texts. Stories of Jesus killing kids etc. 4). Thusly, Jesus considers us the "N" word of the day, when we're not buying the contradictory claims of the Bible. "DONT cast your self- righteous, self aggrandizing pearls O "widom" (says who? not all of it is)… …before those GD N!-GG🅰️-Non-Belivers - is the Christian Name Calling equivalency. Trying to build a thesis around the point that you can wordsmith. Essentially the Christian hatred and upset retort thrown at those who just embarrassed them, cowardly slinking away after getting their butts kicked in debate by Skeptics. Tell it to each other to soothe their massive egos. You could probably flesh out the narrative to deliver the point, that it's another example of Abrahamic cruelty and mean-spirited pettiness by this supposed perfect dude. He wasn't perfect! I've got lots of material suggestions and you can freely unrestricted use any of my material or techniques that interests you, word for word, or modify it as suits you, brother!
I have some doubts about christianity, but I think this is a weak argument. Someone once replied to this question with this statement "If the baker baked the bread, who baked the baker?" God if he is real would be outside of time, space, and matter. He wouldnt be held to the same standard as the materials used in his creation. Not trying to convert but that is the best explanation I have heard for this question.
I am hypocrite. I tell Jesus I trust in him but end up doing things against his will up til now. We are not perfect. I hope you read this, the deceiver will always tempt those who are capable of doing righteous things not those who are already in line. May you find God again
*QUESTION:* Does the 'Omnicient, Omnipotent, Omnipresent god', that _you want us to believe in…_ …KNOW who goes to heaven, and who goes to 'hell'… …BEFORE he "creates" each person? YES or NO? - I'll wait 🍿
@@evangelicalsnever-lie9792 you know what now that I think about it for a second I don't think so because that's one of the things covered in the Bible that I remember from childhood. The thing that separates human beings from other creatures be they Divine or earthly is that God imbued us with a sense of free will. Thus allowing us to make our own choices in life and Dooley live with the consequences. But that's just some old testament stuff and then Jesus came along and rewrote all the rules I guess
I didn’t know how to reach you, but I’ve had problems believing in religion all my life. And wondered why people of color are targeted and abused throughout history. If they prayed to God, why weee their prayers answered before some died? Another question, I get messages all they time from “spirits” (since I was a child) had even though I suffers quite a bit growing up, I felt I was protected by” something,” I feel their presence often and when they want my attention, they flip a light on or other ways. What is this, if not some act from a higher power? Hope you can help me solve this puzzle
I was forced to go to church as a kid and had the same question. The most common answer was something along the lines of God's existence being a sign of his power because he created himself.
God being "Eternal" is not a counter to god coming from nothing. The universe is more likely to be eternal because you know, IT'S ACTUALLY HERE. also, none of you Christians can't give a tangible definition of god for us to even BEGIN to look into.
God exists outside of time and space. This poor fellow should start reading the ancient manuscripts. He’s in for a big surprise on judgement day if he doesn’t.
"Every knee shall bow at his great and mighty name" ... Even yours Sir. Repent while there is still time
Repent to who? 😂
I am so sorry that you were hurt so bad by the people and pastors in church that you turned your back completely on God. The Bible speaks to this very thing in the great falling away. You’re in my prayers even if you don’t want them.
Once you start to do research on the bible you will come to the same conclusion. Pray for yourself.
God and Jesus still loves you dude
For me that's just an argument that you can keep throwing infinitely from both sides and never get anywhere. For example if you could answer what made god or the big bang, you then could just keep asking "well where did the thing, that made that thing come from?" it goes on forever and you never get anywhere, so while it's a valid question for both sides to ask themselves, it's a stupid argumentative or debate point mostly... In my opinion...
Some of us love debate and being savage pricks while doing it. Don't judge me bro. He is like Jesus, in "niceness," as an atheist, compared to me.
God exists outside of time, that’s what makes him eternal. No beginning, no end. Think about it for a bit.
This is a good way to look at it. God is omniscient, omnipotent, and omnipresent. Which is all knowing, all powerful and always present. The misconception seen in the Bible is that the first lines say in the beginning and assume it is the beginning of God and everything, from literal word for word translations of the Bible from its original language its shown that it is meant to say in the beginning of creation. God is THE Creator. Origin and giver of life. Creation means it has been brought into existence. God is omnipresent meaning he has always existed, the beginning and the end not brought into the beginning nor brought into the end.
*QUESTION:* Does the 'Omnicient, Omnipotent, Omnipresent god', that _you want us to believe in…_
…KNOW who goes to heaven, and who goes to 'hell'…
…BEFORE he "creates" each person?
YES or NO?
- I'll wait 🍿
That same God that exists out of time. Also exists out of gender but apparently is still referred to as a he. Too many loopholes
Yah really gave this man a spirit of stupid. Its crazy how somebody who had knowledge, in his pursuit of knowledge, lose it
TRANSLATION: 'I'm mad." 🥱
@@evangelicalsnever-lie9792 Seems somebody hasnt looked at a mirror lately
you àre only mad here anti Christian
god was always there and if god was bound by time or space or our logic he wouldnt be the god we say he is
*QUESTION:* Does the 'Omnicient, Omnipotent, Omnipresent god', that _you want us to believe in…_
…KNOW who goes to heaven, and who goes to 'hell'…
…BEFORE he "creates" each person?
YES or NO?
- I'll wait 🍿
@@evangelicalsnever-lie9792Yes!
@007dog1 *You* are a correctly logical dawg! Agreed! Here 👍 🏆
If you're a good 'ol fashioned solid Calvinist - OR - whatever sect you follow that shares those; "Pre-Chosen - A Holy Nation, A Royal People" - crossover beliefs where the bible emphasizes a "Narrow Path and Few Will Enter" etc.
Only "the faithful Chosen Ones shall enter.'
And the warning message of "I never knew ye" kind of stuff is more bible drama, threat messaging and warnings that out of all humans your Dad creates…
…we can all agree that only a small relative few will make it to "heaven"…
…and only if they think and believe exactly like *you* do…
…because *your* specific way of thinking and believing about getting to a presuppositional, so-called "heaven"…
…is the 100% absolutley, perfectly correct way to believe in whatever it is you precisely believe to 'get to heaven,' correct❓
Your specific belief sets HAVE to be 100% absolutely, perfectly correct, or _you're screwed!"_
I agree! This is about YOUR "Salvation," not mine.
I mean, if your "Salvation Beliefs" are
not the 100% Perfect Salvation Beliefs, then *why not❓*
I grant you all *that* and agree with you, that your way of thinking and believing is the 100% only possible way the Christian Salvation Model can work.
Since I agree with you on that, you should have no problem with replying back to me: with "NOW YER GETTIN GETTIN' IT, PILGRIM' 😂👍
And should immediately confirm we're in agreement on all that.
Which leads us to *The Question:*
Since we agree Pre-Desination is the deal, and we agree that whatever 'free will' we humans have, it *cannot overcome the free will, predetermination of the god,* who first determined who would go to heaven BEFORE creating them. Already the known and determined Final Destination by the god before the human is created…
*…then why should we,* the predetermined for torture fun by your Dad, why should we care about your god❓
It makes no difference. He "Never Knew Us." We have no reason to further be concerned. We can't change you're god's will that he first had.
@@evangelicalsnever-lie9792 Something seems to be causing to hold unto something thats not there. Imagine this, that a person gets condemned for condemning something in the bible thats not even there. That would truly confound that person dont you think? I could explain that very thing you keep repeating on how thats not even true but if you truly sought out who God was, you wouldve known how God will judge the world.
Imagine if somebody could time travel into the future, knew all that was going to happen, and then came back to his time. How wise would the people be to tell that man "because you knew what was going to happen in the future, its your fault that all this has happened"?
@@007dog1 WHY YA DODGIN' THE QUESTIONS PILGRIM ❓
Are your specific "Salvation Beliefs" the absolutely 100% perfectly correct salvation beliefs? YES or NO❓
Did what Adam has done just make you give up? Adam will have to answer for those things he has done but you seem that you have become bewitched. I can’t believe such a change in you. What does it matter where YHWH came from? The fact is that He is and you believe or not. I am so sorry this has happened to you but Yeshua is real and I’d never call Him by any other name anymore. I know you will get a good laugh from this but, I’ll be praying for you Justin.
Is this guy serious? I mean I no he’s mocking Christian’s. But in doing so he’s making a fool of himself. No Christian whom is rooted in the scriptures as well as epistemology would say something this dumb.
It bold down to being very dumb so I'm making it simple and cutting to the chase
@@BulletHolesintheBible I seen Sean Griffin and watched his video so that I could help brothers and sisters refute his error and false teachings. Well I’m looking into the Hebrew roots I realized you used to be apart of this heretical sect of so called Christians. Now I understand why your interpretations of scripture are so far off. It’s like The Bible was written in a language unable to be interpreted because your brain has been completely blocked off to the Truth, Context, Exegesis, Historicity, Argumentation, as well as the simplicity of The Gospel. Friend I genuinely pray for you. I don’t want to offend you. But I cannot hold back. Just as I told Aron Ra and Matt Dillahunty, one day you will die. On that die you will find out that Jesus is Truth, that Jesus is Who He claimed to be. He doesn’t need me to stick up for Him. I’m tell you this because there will come a time when there is no grace or repentance offered to you on that dreadful day death comes calling your name. When death calls my name I pray ALL rejoice as I will be with My Messiah Only because of His Grace, nothing if my own merit. Matter of fact before Christ Saved me I was a convict, drug addict, prison and street gang member. After salvation Gods Spirit began cleaning or sanctifying me, my heart and mind changed towards my sin and now daily by Gods Grace I deny myself praying Gods Will be done regardless of how hard it is to lay aside my wants and desires. Also my sufferings have become my greatest experiences and if I told you more you wouldn’t be able to understand how one could say that these very hard times Iv been through have become my greatest joys. I’ll give you my email if your interested in communicating about these things. Oh, I also told Ra and Matt that for over 2000 years Jesus has been worshipped, Loved, Glorified, Praised, Revered, hated, persecuted, blasphemed, but Jesus is Lord, Jesus is King and there is nothing you can do about this. Time itself is related to His Death and Resurrection, language flows towards Jerusalem, Yahweh is Sovereign and Jesus is Beginning and End. He will be worshipped and loved for Eternity and the rest of time as we know it. This hate and disdain for Him that you have is only going to devour and destroy you. When you die you will be forgotten about eventually just like everyone else although there are exceptions of important people. But none like Christ, None have been Exalted like Christ and None will ever be because Jesus is High and Lifted Up! Hallelujah and God Bless you my friend.
I had an uncle that was scorned by people in the church and turned his back on God to sounded like to me he was worshiping the people more than God in the first place
I love how he started off by saying you fool. I guess he did that because the Bible says the fool says in his heart there is no GOD
He's never said there is no god. He just doesn't believe that evil POS that you think exists actually does - because you say so.
*QUESTION:* Does the 'Omnicient, Omnipotent, Omnipresent god', that _you want us to believe in…_
…KNOW who goes to heaven, and who goes to 'hell'…
…BEFORE he "creates" each person?
YES or NO?
- I'll wait 🍿
Which god??
Jesus calls people fools, then says not to do that lol
@@BulletHolesintheBible
It hit me the other day. And a new Short suggestion I submit for your consideration:
The word "Swine" in the Bible.
Here's my analysis break down:
1). The most hated and loathed animal in Jewish culture. More pork for me!
2). "SVVINE‼️" The aggressive, caustic, "N" word of the day. Not that Infantrymen are butthurt about it. We know what real cussing is and invent new cuss words 😂👍
It still is a pointed yell of disgust, in some respects. Ever have a woman shriek PIG! playfully or semi-annoyed? They're right - we men can be pigs at times 😂👍
The Germanic cultural use of the "SWINE-HUND!" "Pig dog."
Say it with me - loud with command authority, like a Nazi.
Because despite fascists being horrible, and I served in truly 'fascistic units' - and liked it 😱👀👈 Still working on moderation and democratic principles myself -
BUT - it still cracks a grin to shout it out because it's fun to say in jest 😂 "SVVINE WHOOND!
Not making light of horrible Nazism - I'm Anti Fascist, unless my facist side switch is clicked 😭
But they were funny caricatures at times.
A funny usage would be like when being beaten in a hand of poker with buddies or any contest where you all actually love each other. Playfully shout it with me and chuckle.
Sorry, stupid barracks stuff and off topic but my inner-fascist likes shouting it playfully at times with friends but not with hate. Unless I have a legitimate target 😂
3). Hence, Jesus sets a pattern of sullen butt hurt behavior in multiple instances, and even more in the supposed apocryphal texts. Stories of Jesus killing kids etc.
4). Thusly, Jesus considers us the "N" word of the day, when we're not buying the contradictory claims of the Bible.
"DONT cast your self- righteous, self aggrandizing pearls O "widom" (says who? not all of it is)…
…before those GD
N!-GG🅰️-Non-Belivers - is the Christian Name Calling equivalency.
Trying to build a thesis around the point that you can wordsmith.
Essentially the Christian hatred and upset retort thrown at those who just embarrassed them, cowardly slinking away after getting their butts kicked in debate by Skeptics. Tell it to each other to soothe their massive egos.
You could probably flesh out the narrative to deliver the point, that it's another example of Abrahamic cruelty and mean-spirited pettiness by this supposed perfect dude. He wasn't perfect!
I've got lots of material suggestions and you can freely unrestricted use any of my material or techniques that interests you, word for word, or modify it as suits you, brother!
I have some doubts about christianity, but I think this is a weak argument. Someone once replied to this question with this statement "If the baker baked the bread, who baked the baker?" God if he is real would be outside of time, space, and matter. He wouldnt be held to the same standard as the materials used in his creation. Not trying to convert but that is the best explanation I have heard for this question.
I am hypocrite. I tell Jesus I trust in him but end up doing things against his will up til now. We are not perfect. I hope you read this, the deceiver will always tempt those who are capable of doing righteous things not those who are already in line. May you find God again
Oh God the Reddit atheist found RUclips shorts.
Debate me bro.
*QUESTION:* Does the 'Omnicient, Omnipotent, Omnipresent god', that _you want us to believe in…_
…KNOW who goes to heaven, and who goes to 'hell'…
…BEFORE he "creates" each person?
YES or NO?
- I'll wait 🍿
Lol
@@evangelicalsnever-lie9792 bro this is even cringier than the original video. Agnostic so I don't really know
@@evangelicalsnever-lie9792 you know what now that I think about it for a second I don't think so because that's one of the things covered in the Bible that I remember from childhood. The thing that separates human beings from other creatures be they Divine or earthly is that God imbued us with a sense of free will. Thus allowing us to make our own choices in life and Dooley live with the consequences. But that's just some old testament stuff and then Jesus came along and rewrote all the rules I guess
Always and will always be the lord of heavenly host
Because you say so.
This is a no win argument, quit having it
Request noted, denied, rejected and dismissed.
I didn’t know how to reach you, but I’ve had problems believing in religion all my life. And wondered why people of color are targeted and abused throughout history. If they prayed to God, why weee their prayers answered before some died? Another question, I get messages all they time from “spirits” (since I was a child) had even though I suffers quite a bit growing up, I felt I was protected by” something,” I feel their presence often and when they want my attention, they flip a light on or other ways. What is this, if not some act from a higher power? Hope you can help me solve this puzzle
I was forced to go to church as a kid and had the same question. The most common answer was something along the lines of God's existence being a sign of his power because he created himself.
Totally fallacial of course, is what you know think, correct?
@@evangelicalsnever-lie9792 yes!
@@maryjanegreen8687 😍👍
@@maryjanegreen8687 No kiss back? 🥺
@@evangelicalsnever-lie9792 my apologies. 💋💋💋💋💋💋😚😚😚😚😚😚😚😚😚😚😚
There has NEVER been nothing.
😂😂😂😂
You shouldnt walk around here telling all those lie's
Or what?
God being "Eternal" is not a counter to god coming from nothing.
The universe is more likely to be eternal because you know, IT'S ACTUALLY HERE.
also, none of you Christians can't give a tangible definition of god for us to even BEGIN to look into.
Justin is really evangelicalsnever-lie97. He comments on everything. Nice try 😂
Man you really look great! Jk 😜
God exists outside of time and space.
This poor fellow should start reading the ancient manuscripts.
He’s in for a big surprise on judgement day if he doesn’t.
something outside of time and space doesn’t exist