Seisan Kata for Goju Ryu - History, Performance and Variations
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- Опубликовано: 15 июл 2024
- We are starting weekly online karate classes from the 3rd of August 2024: email dojo@grkc1978.com to get added to the sign-up list. We finally got round to Seisan kata for Goju Ryu! Ché covers the techniques, angles and variations, as well as demonstrating the sequence of Seisan. Zoe chirps in with history, observations and her usual random comments.
Chapters:
00:00 - 02:21 Introduction and history of Seisan
02:21 - 07:28 First embusen up to first kansetsugeri
07:28 - 11:18 Second embusen - shotei four times
11:18 - 15:20 Third embusen - pull with throat grab up to shikodachi with three punches up to Kansetsu geri
15:20 - 17:16 Fourth embusen
17:16 - 20:27 Fifth embusen: kiai point
20:27 - 25:19 Sixth embusen: to end of kata
25:19 - 26:44 performance of full Seisan kata
26:44 - 29:31 Summary and thank yous
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Bibliography:
Okinawan Goju Ryu Karate - Teruo Chinen
Applications of the Kata parts 1 & 2 - Morio Higaonna
Bubishi: The Classic Manual of Combat - Patrick McCarthy
Goju Ryu Karate Do Kyohan - Gogen Yamaguchi
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Great video on Seisan, Sensei Che - you've covered all the essentials and many of the variations fr different Goju branches. Seisan is a high level kata, just after Kururunfa and before Suparimpei - so, many people want to "learn" the kata. One shodan from another school once told me that it was such an easy kata to learn though - except I disagree, having been practising it for a very very long time.
Things non Goju people and Junior belts miss when watching other senior belts do this kata is the Transistion between hard and soft in this kata. When I say hard, I mean Kime like doing Sanchin, ie, straighten your spine, adjust your pelvic posture, stiffen your thighs, calfs, stomach, back, abs, shoulders, arms, wrist, neck etc....Yes, like in Sanchin, But done instanteneously (like in Uechi-Ryu Sanchin) - take for example, the first 3 moves (yoko-uke and punch), we start with kime we do the hikite at a moderate speed for 70% of the way, but at the last 30% we accelerate the hikite in order to push the shoulder-blade back, opening up half the chest - this causes a spring like effect which allows the punch to accelerate on the rebound - and at the end of the punch (at full speed full power) - we tighten the fist further, then we immediately release the tension and the punching arm snaps into yokouke posture - fast and rigid. All the while the rest of the body remains in tension. The same applies to the 3 reverse kakato geri, 05:12- 05:15 we kick backwards (like a scoop, as sensei Che describes) ,allowing the leaning forward momentum and gravity to let us slide forward, perform a shuri-ashi slide forward with the kicking leg leading the supporting leg, at the same time the hands perform morote sukui uke with Muchimi-te (breath in), palms flip around to do a morote Nukite (breath out, like in Tensho), the arms are braced closed to the body so the thrust of the nukite comes from the whole body's forward sliding movement then at the final instant - KIME and transform into the rounded arm posture Sensei Che discribes in 05:28, stiff like Sanchin (spine and pelvic etc adjusted), then loosen up and do the next motion. Timed badly and the forward slide will end before the nukite. Because the higher dans like Sensei Higaonna did this part so smoothly, he seemed to be floating or gliding forward - but behind the appearances of the slide, muchimi, kime, relax and slide is crucial and key to Seisan. The Same concept of Muchimi-Kime, soft-hard transition takes place in the next 3 double block and drag (07:59-09:50) and throughout the rest of the kata really. Around 12:00 we do something similar to what Sensei Che described as what he learnt with Sensei Chinen, left arm does a counter-grab, right arm rotates to get around his guard and get his neck - and at the point when our right hand squeeze his neck, we kime again, then relax, to fire-off two quick punches. At 15:30 many schools will do it quickly and then step forward, sink down in the same breathe to grab the opponent who has been shoved and is momentarily off balanced and falling back. In some schools like IOGKF we'd slide forward into Shiko-dachi - that requires a little manipulation of one's CG, and body mechanics to create the forward momentum to slide a considerable distance, it's also one of those Okinawan ideas about how to close the distance suddenly (Sensei Che did it, without exactly saying how he did it either, lol) . 21:25 I was expecting that kick, after following Sensei Che's videos and knowing his pedigree...Lots of people who learn kata fr videos would usually miss this detail about this kick.....finally after the kick, one lands in either cat stance or short stance. The key in some traditions is to pull down and stamp this foot after the kick while punching - apparently when Chojun Miyagi Sensei was demonstration this kata one day, he stamped so hard he broke the floor board in the dojo. I think Seisan looks externally easy but internally it is a very complicated kata because of various body mechanics and fine details. If you don't know where to look you won't know it as difficult - and even if you've been told how to do it, you may not achieve it without alot of practice.
Look, if Sensei Che, whose Seisan was easily excellent, says that he hasn't mastered it, then people should know it's not as easy as it looks.
As usual, your comment is a masterclass in Goju Ryu, and Seisan needs so much depth and understanding to truly blossom.
While I was editing, I thought about throwing in something about Ché being unnecessarily modest, but you have picked up exactly why he doesn't think this kata is "ready" as it were. Enough to share the basics, but he would never present this to his instructors unless they explicitly asked for it.
I know I am many, many years away from even beginning to scratch the surface. The gradient in difficulty between Shisochin and this kata is very steep, and I am barely understanding Seipai.
It is incredibly annoying when juniors say they know a kata because they know the sequence - tournament is particularly guilty of introducing people to kata they are not ready for, and probably never will be. Having watched some of the kata at the Olympics, and the ridiculous facial expressions and screaming, I for one am truly glad that the French have long opted not to have karate as an Olympic sport.
I think I am finally starting to understand, a little, what they mean when they say all the answers are in Sanchin. Your explanation of kime, muchimi, acceleration, pelvic and spine structure and tension - we really do start to get a taste of these concepts in that kata.
As always, thank you for taking the time to watch, timestamp your comments, and share your incredible knowledge so freely with us. It is an honour to read these every week, and one of the highlights of our weekend.
@@GojuRyuKarateCentre You are too kind and Sensei Che was being rather modest. I was formerly taught Seisan around 2008 - and although I think I know on a basic level what I'm supposed to do (part of which I have described above), It's not every time that I can do all those things in one single kata, more like once out of 5 or 10 repeats or more on a bad day - so I know my Seisan isn't anywhere near what it was meant to be - knowing isn't the same as being able to execute, every time all the time.
Was thinking about you this morning before classes, I hope you are well, we haven’t heard much from you lately
Che
People that say its easy, they do so only because they look at it kinesiologically, not encapsulating on the essence of the style.
Goju is a hard soft style like you explained, not only hard and soft on the outside, but also in the inside, since they are interconnected and never separate in nature, old masters knew this and gave emphasis to both. This a a serious concept often missed in the west, due to the lack of understanding the concept of the energy body, and thus feeling it.
Each style is like a body of its own formed over the years, with its own ki and form, and the karateka uses that body to practice with, after a long time he makes it his own, his instinctual body, his ki and his spirit connected. Each move flows naturally.
I would never speak bad about another style since i understand the root that it comes from, they were all on the same page, so i apply mutual trust on the creation of each style, and i just chose the one that my instinct told me to that fits best for me, and Goju captured the essence of nature in my opinion, it flows and rocks, like a river flowing on the rocks.
Always interesting how different other styles are from Isshin Ryu.
Indeed,
Some styles are rather different,
But we all seek similar things
Che
I like how you explain style diffences. It gives good clues to how to apply the kata.🥋🥋🥋🥋🥋🥋
Thank you! 😃 The differences make each style special, not better or worse than the other. We appreciate the time you took to watch and comment 🤗
@@GojuRyuKarateCentre I always have time for Karate.
Also, the on screen editing notes, filling in the information “ spaces”, so to speak, is improving weekly, and I thoroughly enjoy learning new things, regarding the specific video, in THAT way, as well about the particular kata and it’s history ;). Well done!
Ah, thank you! I really am trying to make every video better than the last one, and I am so glad it is being noticed 🙇🏻♀️🙇🏻♀️🙇🏻♀️
One of the best explanations of Goju-Ryu nuances I’ve seen! Kudos to you and a massive respect Sensei Ché!
Thank you so much for this lovely comment, Paul! We're so glad you enjoyed our video, and we appreciate the time you took to watch and leave a comment 🙇🏻♀️ 🙇🏻♀️ 🙇🏻♀️
As alway very detailed and all encampasing, 'do what you Sensei tells you' a gesture of humility.
So much energy, positivity and producing quality content week after week, is just amazing.
It's one thing conducting classes in the dojo and another, producing and sharing the great Goju Ryu content.
Once again thank you and keep up the great work.
What a beautiful comment to wake up to! Thank you so much for these really kind and thoughtful words - it is an honour to be able to do what we do, and as we stand on the shoulders of giants, it is important to pay it forward and also capture the knowledge left to us.
Thank you for taking the time to watch and comment 💮
thanx - again - for this from a goju ryu 1.kyu (soon 1. dan 🙂) from denmark, your channel is so authentically good and informative, and its so nice that across the world we do some of the same stuff and can learn from each other.
Aww, thank you for this beautiful comment! Isn't it wonderful how karate can bring us all together?
Denmark is one of our dream countries to visit - one day, we hope to come see your beautiful country! (But maybe in the summer, we don't know how to deal with the cold lol)
Uuuuh, come and teach!!! Me and another Brown belt, who also is following you, just joked with taking a trip to your dojo in a holiday to be taught 💪😁
Excellent demonstration and excellent dialogue on the different schools ways. Many thanks for a video you can actually learn from
Thank you for the very kind words, Barry! We always respect the differences between schools as points to learn from, not to argue over. After all, the kata remains fundamentally the same, after all!
We're so glad our video was helpful to you. Thank you so much for watching and commenting! :)
I enjoyed the on screen comments mentioning Kata names, I recognise most of them.
I guess I will have to find someone to teach me the Katas Macarena and Maths.
Seriously though, You perform those movements beautifully, the sequence of 4 after the first 180° turn look both delicate and powerful at the same time.
Nice filming technique too. When the action stops the camera moves. I've seen that done in television and movies, it's very engaging.
Thank you for the great video.
Ah, FirstDan - welcome back to the channel! We haven't seen you for a while, hope all has been well with you.
Thank you so much for this generous comment 🙇🏻♀️ 🙇🏻♀️ 🙇🏻♀️ and one day we will load Macarena and its bunkai ✨
Thank you yet again for another great video. I truely enjoy watching these. Great work to both Sensei Che and Zoe.
Ah, we are so glad, Barbs! It's always good to know that our work is appreciated 🤗
Excellent explanation in all details, very helpful, thank you very much! The editing is absolutely professional. 👍😊
Thank you so much! We really are trying, in all areas, to bring the best we can to our karate friends 🙇🏻♀️🙇🏻♀️🙇🏻♀️
Perhaps the best available video on Goju Seisan. First-rate!
Ah, thank you so much! That's so kind of you to say :)
Thank you for watching and commenting - we really appreciate it!
Outstanding explanation of Seisan kata, big thanks to Sensei Ché (and to Sensei Zoe for the explanatory and fun texts). By far, the best Goju Ryu channel I've seen, kudos for your work
Our pleasure! What a lovely comment - it brings great joy to our hearts, and reaffirms that we are putting out enough good stuff :)
Apologies for the appallingly late reply - I am working through a backlog of comments 😅
Ché sensei, Excellent! Thank you for explanations, demonstrations and clever printed remarks and references to other kata. May your tribe increase! Terry.
Is this *the* Sensei Terry B Sanders of Shorei-ryu karate fame?
And even not, we are so delighted to recieve such a lovely comment from you! As the video editor, it never ceases to charm me when my on-screen comments are appreciated 🙇🏻♀️
Thank you so much for watching and commenting, and we hope we will hear from you again! Working hard on growing our tribe - we think we have the nicest karate community on RUclips ✨
A personalized reply! How rare. The Goju-ryu kata available in the USA in the early 1960s lacked your insights and perspective. Truly a pearl! Terry.
We know when a serious karate-ka is on our channel because they only sign their first names, and not Mega Hanshi Renshi 🤣
We've been lucky in South Africa to have been visited by the Okinawans since the inception of Goju Ryu here in the 60s, and it has helped us build a solid foundation. And since we stand on the shoulders of giants, we truly are trying to capture that knowledge and preserve it for the next generation. How amazing now that geography is no longer our master!
Thank you for the kind words, Sensei - truly, we are honoured to have you here 🙇🏻♀️
@@GojuRyuKarateCentre As for titles, sometimes my signature is followed by L.H.K.P. When [rarely] asked, my reply is, "Left Handed Karate Player." Am looking forward to studying your site. Be well, Terry.
Amazing detail once again Sensei Chè.
Thank you for sharing 🙏🏻
My pleasure! Thank you for taking the time to comment :)
Brilliant presentation! Thanks!
You're very welcome!
Love this kata !!! My sensei instructed to learn all kata but , "pick one and make it your own", for me, this one is it ! OUS !!
That is truly great advice - for me, it is Shisochin (for now), but Seisan is a very beautiful and brutal kata! Thank you for watching and commenting!
Seisan is my favorite Kata. I can't stop thinking about it.
It’s a fantastic Kata
Thanks for sharing Much appreciated 👍
You are so welcome, Paul! Thank you for watching and commenting :)
wow ! what a beautiful explanation Thank you sensei oss
Only a pleasure! We hope to do a bunkai video in the next couple of weeks 🙇🏻♀️🙇🏻♀️🙇🏻♀️
Thank you for sharing.
My pleasure! Thank you for watching and commenting :)
Thank you so much, Sensei!
Pleasure
Lots of similar moves to Wing Chun second form "Chum kiu". Awesome explanations and examples!
Thanks for sharing
Love additional positive inputs
Super Thank You!
Thank you so much!
Thank you so much master 🙏
You are most welcome! Thank you so much for commenting and watching 🙇🏻♀️🙇🏻♀️🙇🏻♀️
Thanks!! You are great
Ah, you are so kind to say so 🙇🏻♀️ thank you so much for watching and commenting 🤗
what a beatiful explanation and kata!
I came to love Seisan through an event a few years ago:
An Okinawan seminar in which Sensei Sadayuki Taira from Meibukan also showed us participants the Goju-Ryu version of Seisan ... of course there were also other high-ranking masters such as Shimabukuro from Seibukan, Naonobu Ahagon from Reihokan and others.
But that has to be clear: Seisan is the living connection of Chinese martial arts such as Long-Fist Boxing or White Crane to Okinawan karate.
Ah, what a wonderful way to experience Seisan! And you are 100% right - Seisan truly is the living link, across hundreds of years. What a special thing to be able to train something so old, effective and elegant. Thank you for this beautiful comment!
Very good and perfect explanation kata seisan ❤
Thank you! 😃Such a beautiful kata, truly
Wow, very interesting!!😍✌️
Ah, thank you Kayla! A peek into your karate future 🥋
Excellent kata executed ...learn lot of
This is all we hope for in our videos - we want them to be useful contributions to karate 🥋
Your technique a spot on love you videos
Ah, thank you so much for the kind words, and for taking the time to watch and comment. We appreciate you!
Thank you sensei!
Thank you, Lina!
I guess this time around, after viewing all of your kata videos so far, and now this one, Sensei, the question of how in the WORLD do you keep a “ singular focus” throughout your own personal kata training with SO MANY “variants” in your head comes to mind? Beyond it being a fantastic open minded approach to display on this channel, does it ever just seem overly convoluted to you? But Still fascinating, just the same. Thank you, as always, for sharing your knowledge, Sensei.
Ché will probably weigh in as well, but it's a bit like variations on a favourite recipe.
Personally, I struggle to do the new version (OGKK) when I'm tired and my body reverts to the oldest version of the kata I know (sometimes back to when I was under Jundokan).
But we definitely only teach the textbook version in the dojo!
I love this Kata. I learned it with a Yoko geri which is very hard on the hips as you get older.
The funny thing is that in my lineage of Goju, I haven't seen yoko geri anywhere in the kata, and I wonder if that isn't because yoko geri is so unforgiving. My hip problems also mean I can't do much of it either.
Super Thanks to You...❤
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Thanks!
Ah, thank you so much for the Super Thank You! We really appreciate it 💮💮💮
Wow! Thank you so much for the Super Thank You - they really make us feel special 🙇🏻♀️🙇🏻♀️🙇🏻♀️
Yeah, Seisan!
We love Seisan! (even though it doesn't always love us 😂)
Definitely I agree, Seisan kata is very essential. Besides, your system of Goju-Ryu is one of my parent Elements in Isshin-Ryu Karate.
We love to hear from our friends in other styles!
Thanks again for the excellent explanations :) However, Seisan kata is still beyond my scope.
It's also way beyond my grade! But beautiful to look at 🤩
Ossh sensé vraiment c'est formidable
Merci beaucoup pour vos aimables paroles et pour avoir pris le temps de regarder et de commenter - nous l'apprécions vraiment !
Toutes nos excuses pour notre réponse tardive à votre adorable commentaire.
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The Back foot Retaining turned out is Old considering The kata origins. Usually turns in, added stabiliti and flexibilitybof movement( Chi see Styles)
Seisan is a very old kata - truly a beautiful one 💐
Saludos desde chile
¡Saludos desde Sudáfrica! Muchas gracias por comentar y ver, realmente lo apreciamos :)
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Its my current kata! Thanks for the vídeo. I'm student of ken in kan karate of Pedro Oshiro sensei in Brazil. (Akamine Sensei line)
Hello, Leandro! Seisan is a wonderful kata, and we're sure you are studying it most diligently in your karate journey! Please send our regards to your sensei, and we wish you all the best. Thank you so much for watching and commenting :)
Akamine Sensei is an amazing person.
I'm Isshin Ryu but our Kobudo is from his lineage.
I was able to train with him during the Minneapolis, MN seminar in 2019 & will be going again next year.
Relax...relax....relax
I don't know if we are talking about The same akamine sensei. The akamine sensei in my line is founder of ken shin kan, sensei Seiichi Akamine, he was birn in naha. I know that he practiced kobudo too. But he passed in 1995 in São Paulo. He was father in law of my sensei Pedro Oshiro.
@@leandrogoncalves7193 sorry then wrong guy
Will you be releasing the friday video earlier from now on as you did this one?
This one is the first one in 3 weeks that has been on time 😅😅😅
2pm CAT is our deadline, but on tough weeks I miss the deadline sometimes
i ,love to see all the variations of this kata across karate styles the shuri ti versions are shorter and a little easier in my opinion than goju ryu and uechi ryu versions
It would be wonderful to sit and compare them all! Thank you for watching and commenting, we appreciate it 🙇🏻♀️ 🙇🏻♀️
Sensei,
Can you define the difference between ippon kumite and bunkai.
It's been 30 plus year since I practiced , but I do not remember doing bunkai . And I find it explanatory for movements.
Sorry for my dumb questions
Not a dumb question at all! Ippon kumite is not specific to any kata, or any move. Bunkai is the exploration of different applications for a single move/combination within a kata. Some of those explanations are very basic (almost like a useful lie) to help beginners begin to grasp the concepts, and those are the bunkai that non-karate people like to call useless.
Oyo bunkai is advanced bunkai, when the practitioner knows enough to start doing more complex and practical moves.
Many, many dojos leave out bunkai. Without it, kata loses its purpose, because each Goju kata is a complete fighting system that can be unlocked over time with a greater understanding of its applications.
Thank you for taking the time to watch and comment 🙇🏻♀️
Thank you im a blue belt
Ah, that's cool! This is more of a 3rd/4th dan kata, but it is always nice to look forward to your karate future to see what awaits you :)
@@GojuRyuKarateCentremy sensai is. At japan for training he is a 4rth degree black belt he been traing for 16y
Only there are four schools de Gojuryu. masters HIga, Yagi, Toguchi y Miyasato
Thanks for your input
Greatly appreciated
I love the editing style. What editing software you use
Ah, thanks Noah! I'm using Wondershare Filmora X. It's not as powerful as Premier but it works well and comes with tons of stock images and music, which is so helpful
That apps is called Zoe... :)
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I am from nepal
Welcome!
Thank you for watching :)
Oss
Domo arigato gozaimasu!
A typical white crane (along with sanchin, sanseru, and suparimpei), although mutated: 5 attacking and 8 defensive combinations, hence 13 (go figure which is what; who's said rokkishu here?!). Traditionally, seisan used to be a demonstration kata for Nahate schools. Hence it is kind of wide spread (every village idiot at a fair knows his "better version"). Great job, thank you!
It's like how that old joke goes:
How many karate people does it take to change a light bulb?
11.
One to do it, and 10 to stand around saying "that's nice, but that's not how we do it in my dojo."
Always love to hear from you 😘
@@GojuRyuKarateCentre : in seisan case, it's 13, more likely. But suparimpei on the other hand...
Pñease do not include any comments from Gogen Yamaguchi. He was never real Goju Ryu
Thank you for your comment and insight
Ronin Kempo-jutsu? Ffs couldn’t sound more Bullshido
I know, right?
Excellent 👍👌 from AnnArborCantonDetroitMichigan. Ahh-mazing
Ah, thank you, Mike! We love to hear from our American friends - they make up much of our subscribers :)
Oss
Hai!