i SOLD my Godox AD200 and this is why | Godox R200 Review.
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- Опубликовано: 5 сен 2024
- I sold the Godox AD200 Pro while using it to test out the Godox r200. I still prefer the AD300 Pro and i will give you my experience with the R200 and tell you why I sold my AD200.
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The AD200 is one of the most versatile portable affordable battery powered stobes on the market. It was designed the way it was to be modular, so you can connect a fesnel head, extension head, bulb head, magnetic round head, ring flash... show me another product that does this! Battery lasts FOREVER. Of course recycle will be dimished if you are in high speed sync, like any other flash out there.
No one is forcing you to use ring flash, if you want to use another modifier to suit your needs, go ahead. Ring flash needs to be used in a certain way to produce pleasing results... of course you will get a halo shadow if you position model right next to backdrop! If you dont want halo separate your foreground light to your background light.
Complaining about a product because you dont understand how to use it, simply for a clickbait YT video is lame. Maybe put a bit more time into planning content for your channel 🤔🤔
Going out to use my AD200 right now... 👍📸
Dude you should have googled this flash before reviewing it. You’re complaining about it as if Godox has done something wrong. You complain about the shadows but that’s exactly what it does, then you overexpose then complain again. Please google and learn what it does and how to use it before reviewing.
It's a Ring Flash.
It has a look to it ( which I love ) and it does it well. If you place your subject against a background that's ( in my opinion ) where it shines. Giving you that "Shadowless" look ( more like a halo of light) that it is known for. If used as intended it usually is a "One Trick Pony". However, rules were meant to be broken 😎
Keep that content coming homie. ✌❤
Thank you!!
You should be more subtle with your ring flash make sure it is metered at -2 or -3 stops from your main light or ambient light and you will get a completely different look
My man, you gotta start bring some sandbags with for your light stands. Keep your kit/ people safe. Some leg or wrist weights will do the job. :)
Lol part that’s crazy is I was actually going to my cart to get the sandbags
I'm sorry you hated it... but to think that a Ring Flash wouldn't produce shadows was the biggest mistake.
They're infamous for the type of shadowing effect they have., I'm quite surprised you never knew that?
Ideal for photobooths, Fashion and Wedding Receptions/Night Clubs etc...
I have an ad600pro, an ad400pro and 3 ad200Pro’s. The only time I use my 600 is outdoors in bright sunlight where I need that power. If I can get by with my 400, which is almost always, I use that one. But for indoors I use my ad200’s and my V1’s for hair lights. I almost never need anything bigger than my 200’s for singles and small groups indoors.
I love the AD300, has a decent modeling light for when you’re in a pinch, I love the smaller Godox mount and it still small enough to fit the case in my bag!
The godox mount is my favorite part
Why do you say the AD200 is a "gimmick light" (9:04)? It's small, it's 200ws, can take a barebulb head, or a round head with a modeling light, you can use an extension head on it so the body acts as a [light] sandbag, or you can use it with the new sturdier swivel bracket, or the S2 bracket if you wanna use Bowens-mount modifiers, *and the tint is better than the AD100 and AD300*😁. It's just a flash; how's it "gimmicky"?
He most likely think so because it has a lot of attachments, but that is the whole point of the ad200.
Also this video is basically "how to tell I dont know how a right-light works without telling I dont know how a right-light works"
@@39zack I'm glad someone noticed that he doesn't have the faintest idea about ring lights/flashes and the light they produce.
I just got the ad200 and it’s perfect for what i do
I’ve watched lots of videos on the ring light and it’s really a fill light used with other flashes and does fill in the shadows. I think everything has a purpose in life and whilst I agree that the AD 200 has its limitations it does what it’s supposed to do and when you need more power then there is the 300/400/600
Yes there are better lights on the market but at this price point and choice I really do think that Godox knock it out of the park 😀
I should of sold mine to you Garry lol
Not surprised, It's a ring light and that is what they do. That ring light is too small to fill in shadows if it can't "see" the shadow. Shadow fill comes from direct angles to directly fill in shadows. A large umbrella fills in shadows because the large surface area creates more line-of-sight angles to illuminate those shadows from center to edge of the modifier. The edge of the modifier has to "see" the shadow. The larger the modifier, the more lines-of-sight you have.
Thing is.. I used it the way they advertised it.
@@RyanTroy They are equipment makers. We are masters of light. They can't fool us!!!
@@RyanTroy Godox advertises with the quality of Nikon's marketing team [and I shoot Nikon]😂😂 - Nikon has *no* marketing budget (compared to Canon or Sony), and Godox' demos of their strobes are usually trash/mediocre in looking at the images (but I like the strobes - I have AD200s, 400s, 600s, and their old manual standalone ringlight).
I appreciate you sharing your view and experience with the R200, but I would not call it a review. To be fair I’m not sure you did. I would like to know if it worked correctly. Your application of it was a bit odd in my opinion. As a fill you would typically use a key light, exposed correctly, and then fill the shadows with the ring light a stop or two under. This is particularly convenient on location where a big fill reflector is cumbersome. The other area it is indispensable is in macro photography. Small subjects can be very difficult to light with the lens up close causing shadows. There are also some scientific uses. Then there is photogrammetry, but that should be done with cross polarization (typically). Like you said, no hard and fast rules. Hope that sheds a new light😅. Thank you for sharing.
If you "don't like shadows" (3:33), you can't use a ringlight. A ringlight is not *a large enough source of light* to give a shadowless look [with the model near a background] (and also, the center cutout); in fact, people use it *for* the particular type of light & shadow it throws in studio with a model close to the bg. Also, when you say (8:04) "this look right here" - that's one of the correct uses of a ringflash, that "on-camera-flash" look *with* no shadows because the light is around the lens axis and the model has no bg right behind her.
Comparing an umbrella to a ring light and being upset they don't look alike, it's a recipe for unmet expectations. It's like comparing a knife to a fork. Bragging about selling the AD200...? It's fine to not like it, but saying the ring light sucks compared to the AD300, misses the point of different modifiers and light direction.
An umbrella is designed to bounce light, where a ring light is design to fire in a straight line with the lens. You even had a grid on it, which only makes it more of a direct line of light.
I think the point I didn’t portray correctly is.. I don’t like the AD200 for multiple reasons but I didn’t like this product at all and it was the last straw which made me not want to hang on to my ad200 anymore. I have other videos where I give the reasons why. But godox advertises this ring light in the way I used it.
@@RyanTroy I guess I got lost. The title of the video is about ditching the AD200, but in the video you spend more time being unsatisfied with the R200. And you didn’t like how the ring light effect looks in comparison to a large umbrella behind you. You’re free to like or dislike anything, but it didn’t make sense.
I have the AD200 (I wish I had the 300 for that little extra power) and it’s been pretty versatile. I also have an AD600, and I love it. I’ve used old ring lights from Alienbees and found it it fun to use once in a while. Like you said, it gives a specific look that isn’t always wanted.
This is my issue with this entire video. Expecting a small ring flash to give him the same or similar quality of light a large, diffused umbrella would. Basic lighting 101 gone awry.
@@jasonbodden8816 Maybe it should be renamed "my thoughts on the R200"
@@JohnDoukasPhotography Yip. Or "My Skewed Thoughts On The R200" because he surely spent the bulk of the video showing us he doesn't know a damn thing about ring lights/ring flashes, sh*tting on a product he had unreasonable expectations for because he knew nothing about that kind of light.
You basically didn’t get what the ring light effect was or you wouldn’t have to complain. And if you see what previously had to be done to get the ring light effect .. you’d really appreciate this product
No piece of equipment is right for everyone and no piece or equipment is right for every purpose so if the ad200 and the ring flash don't work for you that makes sense but you should understand that you didn't give either one a chance. The photos you took outside that weren't properly exposed for your taste were like that because you didn't bother to use the correct settings and that's on you but not the equipment. Would you complain that a camera wasn't any good because you used it with the settings it had when you took it out of the box too? The shadow you didn't like in the studio can be minimized to something that is considered one of the selling points of a ring light by having the subject right up against the background. Have your subject six or eight feet away from the wall and no shadow. The r200 in the studio when used properly is a perfect fill light when having a key light off to the side as long as it's on manual and set for 1,2 or 3 stops less than the key light depending on the look you want. I've used the ad200 since they first were on the market and the accessories made for it makes it like a swiss army knife of lights. I've used the traditional speed light head that comes with to get a certain look but mostly I use it with the round head with a dome diffuser, no diffuser and direct and with different third partly modifiers. Using it outside with HSS lets you turn day to night shooting as high a shutter speed as 1/8000 second or to get the perfect fill light. It can be use on camera and off camera with great results but only if the shooter bothers to learn how to use it. As far as light stands falling over you can get a head extension cable and mount the ad200 to the bottom of the stand with the head at the top and have more stability if you don't want to bring a sandbag with you.
we invest and buy controlled lights not to be controlled by lights.
Ring flash has very specific use scenarios I have seen them used in portraits only one time with really good results but it was always in conjunction with other lights. As far as the AD200 goes I like it in most scenarios there are times it just doesn’t have enough power but I know the limitations so I adjust my shooting or I break out the AD400 Pro. I rarely shoot with it at full power so the overheating isn’t an issue I admit the recycle time is slow and something that sometimes annoys me but then it can also be good because it forces me to slowdown
go ahead a grab the ad300 pro and you will sell yours too lol
The funny thing about ring light is everything you hated about it is the reason why some photographers actually love it. Some people have a love/hate relationship with it, however, the light can be used other than an actual ring light. Use it as a “normal” light. Not attached to the barrel of the lens of a camera, but “off camera” at the usual 45 degree angle that you would use any other light. Place a diffuser scrim in front of it and you will get that soft light you desire. I do it all the time.
Lol fam are complaining about the effects of this lens??? That’s what a ring flash does, it will cast a shadow perfectly around a model if you’re close enough to a background. You could also use a big umbrella or softbox or natural light to soften the shadows. You also have to pay more attention to balancing the light especially if you’re shooting close to your model. Listen Fam send it to me Godox keep sending their products to the wrong people 😂😂😂 sheesh
Damn.. i did ask for the smoke in the comment section but wasn't prepared lol but nah.. im not adding a umbrella to eliminate shadows but i said that in the vid. i rather just use what i usually use and call it a day.. but overall i feel as if the ad200 is a gimmick light and it isnt worth it to me.
@@RyanTroy 😂😂😂 no smoke Fam lol I follow you cause I appreciate your content. I just thought everyone knew the effects of a ring light 😂😂😂. Much respect and next time they send you a ring light link me 😂😂. Wait they probably saw your video so no more ring light for you 😆
@@oneilthompson5843 ima send it straight to you bro lol
It is shadowless. Look at your subject. If you don't want shadows on your background then light the background separately. Even better, use the ring as a fill as its intended for a perfect on-axis fill but DONT overpower your key. Basics.
Greetings Ryan from across the "Pond" here in the UK, trust you and the family are all well. Just watched this video on your experience with the R200, and your disappointment with it. From my limited knowledge these "Ring" type flash units are normally used for "Macro" Photography. The harsh light effect you experienced, is due to you not being able to place a modifier over the ring flash to diffuse and soften it's light. Keep up your excellent work, "the king is dead (AD200) long live the king (AD300)" and enjoy your AD300.
Thank you!
I always assumed the R200 was meant for product and macro style shooting. I use a similar product for macro. The look this gives isn’t flattering for portraits IMO. The lighting is too flat and reminiscent of a pocket camera, with the built in flash. That look is why I’ve never been fond of on camera flash. I have the original ad200 and the ad200pro and I only use them nowadays for travel and when I need a lightweight kit. Nice video
i think it would be good for macro probably but the way they advertise it.. its not meant for portraits at all.
I see you took a BIG SWIG of Haterade for this.
This product is clearly used for macro or product photography.
I own five AD 200 Pros. Two are used in strip boxes in my studio. Three are in my wedding reception kit. I also have an AD 300 and an AD 600 used daily in studio. Eventually Ill swap all of the studio lights to AD300s.
@@RyanTroy good to see you try to implement it into your workflow. If it doesn’t fit, no point in trying to force it. I always appreciate your insight as we have discussed numerous products before. ✊🏽💪🏽
@@RyanTroy, I think one of the ways Godox keeps prices low, is by hiring (mostly) "hacks" for the strobe product commercials (with some exceptions, such as for the constant light KNOWLED 1200). One has to know exactly what something's used for & how to use it already, because their strobe demonstrations in their commercials are sorely lacking - usually no hair light, no kickers, never butterfly pattern, all broad light, a lot of flat light, no subtle cookies on bg, no space lights, no depth of light, etc [with some exceptions]. Given that they make strobe lights, modifiers, projection lenses, gobos, cutters, irises, flags, scrims, & silks, you'd think they'd have extraordinary commercials [& incredible demos at trade shows], but no.
@@RyanTroy As an owner of 3 AD300s, an AD200 and an R200 who is happy with all of them I can definitely say that the R200 would be a very poor choice for macro use. Ring flashes that are intended for macro use have key differences from the R200. Macro ring flashes are segmented, allowing for a power gradient across the frame. The R200 can not do that. Also, the R200 is too large and heavy compared to ring flashes used for macro work to be practical.
The R200 is definitely intended for portraits. Ring flashes are commonly used in commercial fashion and portraiture. As others have pointed out, it is a specialized tool for specific uses. It might not meet your needs or style, but few tools are appropriate for everyone and every use.
When you say you couldn't do what you wanted to do with the 200, I'm wondering what it was you wanted to do? I have a couple of them and I use them all the time. I use them in bright sunlight, at dusk, and at night. Next time you want to sell one, let me know, I'll buy it off of you. Also, I checked out the Westcott and it's $100 more.
When I use a meter on my ad400pro and my ad-b2 dual power bracket with two ad200 pros I get nearly identical readings.
thats fine but it will not consistently keep up with an ad400 if you put them side by side and and continue to fire.
So glad I listened to you a while back and just went for the AD300. Also picked up the AD100 so it's a great combo. Need to sell some modifiers and consolidate some gear this summer. Streamline! 😎 Thanks Ryan
Thanks Craig! What is your next strobe of choice?
@@RyanTroy For my current use case, I think I'm good with the 300 for a while. I'll probably throw in another 100 next time they're on sale (love those little soda can lights!)
@@csc-photo I still need to get me one of them
I have 2 AD200 Pros and love them. They have rubber mounts for the backs of them bro. Be careful with your gear.
Can I have your godox ad200pro stuff then?
😂😂😂😂😂 i sold it already
I had an AD200 for years, good beginner light for the price and the time that it came out, but over the years I just did not like using it and felt it was something I grew out of. From the recycle time to the random misfires it was something I didn't like using professionally anymore. Got an AD400 Pro, big improvement, still had recycle time issues and ended up upgrading into Profoto, no regrets. Also funny enough I have had a B10X Plus get knocked over twice and still survive to finish a shoot...not looking forward to the repair bill on it though.
Mannnnnnnn you are a better man than me... i couldnt see myself buying profoto anything lol
@@RyanTroy You say that now. If you can ever find like a used B2 or B10 and it's in your price range snap it up, they're great lights. Profoto sold me on recycle rates alone. The A10 I have is good enough to get 3 shots as long as it's not full power easy. The Godox I have takes forever. It feels like a game changer for event photography, not to mention I trust the Profoto stuff more for HSS work, which I use a lot when I'm using the 1.2 lenses I have.
Definitely not entertaining a ring light. Never tried one for wedding details, never needed too. FYI: I returned my AD300's. The AD200 bare bulb + modifier proved brighter than the AD300 with the same modifier. Shit, for the size, I think the AD100 was brighter than the 300. Kept 4xAD200's, & 2 AD100's while the 400's and 600's are collecting dust.
really?! the 300 was really less bright with the same modifier, than the 200? I am about to buy the 200 or 300... now you got me worried. was leaning 300.
Just a question about your slow ad200 recycle time: Are you shooting the ad200 at full power every shot?
not full power but i was using high speed sync.. i do a lot of high speed sync
Great review I almost bought this product glad I saw ur review first you just gained a subscriber
I don't really understand what you were expecting? Sure its a ring light, but its still a small light source. You cant compare this to a large light modifier.
I was just trying to use it the way they advertised it in their video
I loved the *idea* of this thing. Not because of what it was but what ELSE could they come up with that would be powered by a light a lot of us already have. I had hoped they would start coming out with new things every few months for it.
But I'll stick with the 300's either way.
300s are great!
@@RyanTroy I got one cheap on sale years ago and when I finally got around to using it, I immediately bought two more to replace the 200s. Found your videos shortly after going off about how much you love that light and I was like "this is my guy"! 😆
@@BrianHalePhoto 😂😂
Yikes, Total ROOKIE; I’ve forgotten more than this guy has learned.
lol dang
At 6:18 there is two lights in that photo.... Maybe I am wrong (You said 1 umbrella) am I wrong ??
I just zoomed all the way in on the eye and that second light that you see is actually the ring light on the floor.. since its connected to the ad200 and i was using the trigger to fire the ad600 that i had for the umbrella the ring light was going off as well.. good catch.. but nonetheless i doubt that that light did anything fancy for this photo
hehe this halo is part of the charme. But I don't get the product either. for really cool stuff you want sunlight, shiny surfaces and 1200Ws
Could you please review the MS200v against the MS300v for portrait work on location
I cringed so hard in that original video of the AD300 going down. Few weeks later, same happened to me but it landed on its back and survived but I absolutely thought of you and meant to go back and add to my original comment but forgot until just now lol
I bought these bumpers for my ad300 and I feel more secure with it now
@@RyanTroy I have some somewhere, package deal thing, but after using em on the 200s, I didn't bother trying it. Not a fan of the ones for the 200s
I have never had any of the issues you speak of and I’ve had the Godox ad200 pro since it came out hell I got 2. But honestly since I got the ad300 I hardly use anything else I will say the R200 is very finicky though I only use it off camera and it’s a pain to set up for sure but the ad200 pro for me is a great product across the board though my biggest complaint with Godox is the color temperature shift during rapid shots there is a way to fix it somewhat I don’t know what it is but you get what you pay for
Have you tried Westcotts lights? because im thinking about checking them out. I love the user interface.
@@RyanTroy I have heard of them but if I would change and if I had to money I would perhaps switch to profoto but I am extremely happy with the Ad300 pro it pretty much does everything and that Godox mount for the ad300 is perfect
5:40 R200
Looking at the outside street stuff now, dude why you overexposing so much? Of course it looks terrible you're blown out. If you're using TTL and have the same compensation you do for darker skinned subjects, you're going to blow this poor girl out. Shoot, look, adjust, repeat.
what did you expect from a ring flash?
I expected what they advertised when they put out their promo videos ☺️
@@RyanTroy fair enough, but it’s still a ring flash.
Busted your AD300 and struck by lightning? You're cursed? lol. AD200/AD400/AD600 all have extension heads - these are life/light savers! Wishing the AD300Pro had an extension head. As for the R200, it makes NO sense. I challenge anyone here to prove otherwise. They can talk all day on RUclips how great it is - but their work proves otherwise (imo) As a fill? OK. But so can a speedlight. Perhaps for Macro? Although I doubt it works well for that without a diffuser.
I’m confused 😐 ??
Why is that?
eeeh, no. The ad200 is an pocket flash, it fills a specific use-case. An ad200 that looks just like any other flash is pointless At that point it would just be a less powerfull ad300 and you would just get an ad300 instead and dial it down
sandbag your shit bro
why ? ad200 is the best planet ! i watch 5 seconds thumbs down 👎