If i use a Genesis Character and and alter it with a couple of morphs and print it out, than how would DAZ ever be able to tell that the Character was made with DAZ?
Ive never heard of daz until i came accorss this vid. I know from experience that modding a file was not enougjt to stop me being closed down as a pirate. Modding a thing is not enough. I learned my lesson. License check all uploads and sales. Even if i drew it, scan, cat drew it, ai drew it, i found a free file on net, i purchased a file. Pirates are thieving scumbags who rob little old ladies. Yes there are little old ladies in 3d printing.
To be fair it was prohibited before to 3d print and they did offer the license for free for older purchases. That said, unless it is a commercial license to print for commercial sale of printed models than that would be fair to sell the additional license since most 3d print modelers offer licenses to sell prints. For personal use, as you said there is no way for anyone to verify if it is licensed or not.
It's been in the EULA for over a couple of years that under the standard license you can 3d print the models **for personal use only**. The 3d printing license is only for if you want to sell the 3d printed figures. In short, if you're only printing the models for your own personal use/collection, you don't have to buy the license. That part is still in the EULA under the standard license.
You're mistaken. I contacted DAZ on this issues and Gunnar in support said "Additionally, the license is required for any 3D printed content to be created, even personal content."
Do you know any alternatives that doesn't do this shitty decision Daz made? I only hopped on board because I both saw and went through how easy it was to create a character with Daz Studio, but if selling models is mixed in with not having allowed to 3D print, then I don't wanna touch that with a ten foot pole.
You could argue that the program is free and the models are inexpensive so if you are selling a lot of models, the license, while greedy as a post hoc add on, it's still pretty reasonable if you make a good bit of money from them. To be clear, you CAN print them - you just need an extra license. As for alternatives, it depends upon your level of 3D competence. Some people might argue for zbrush or blender, and a number of viewers have mentioned iclone, but personally, I'd just ignore DAZ's license
@@poseranddazstudiofunhouse6153 Id never ever suggest ignoring a license. A Judge in court made a print seller pay 12 grand to the license holder. Myself i was closed down for trying to sell just 1 print. Not just that 1 listing came down but all listings were stopped. Even non 3d prints sales got closed down. I never ever ignore pr suggest others ignore the rules. The law has value. Pirates rob little old ladies cause they are scum.
@@WillofNewZealand So because you got busted, it's okay for DAZ to retrospectively change the licensing terms for their products? That said, COMMERCIAL print is one thing - print for private use is a whole separate ballgame. If I'm making money from a model, it's reasonable that the original artist makes a cut. What is particularly ironic, is the fact that DAZ NEVER asserts its copyright over the millions of files shared on file sites, costing them and creatures tens of millions, but now they want to attack their loyal customers? Priorities all wrong.
@@poseranddazstudiofunhouse6153 im not even sure what daz is. I dont like the sound of retrospective whatever the grevance is you speak of. Im working at 3d print licenseing and can see various values in it. Others can pay you cause of your millions of global outlets.
@@poseranddazstudiofunhouse6153 its clear you know of Daz more than i. Its sad when sites trample people i know. Oh i wanted to say some sites only allow you to get a copy of the file by paying even for personal use. Many other sites have free for personal use. I vetted over 56 sites. 3d print licensing its self can be usefull. selling the ownership of that thing license. Most people sell copies of the thing file but selling the ownership of it is an option. TRANSFER 3d print thing license, within a website into new owners user name and have date of upload matched back to the original thats still in your user name. By email arrangment only. Once matched then you may delete your original. Thats a transfer. Migrate is moving ownership to another website. Dates matched. Cults3d are operating. Cgtrader are great but dont do transfers and migrates. Thingiverse remains down for transfers. Message me if any site resumes transfers or migrates its an important business service globally to be able to buy and sell your own business.
DAZ pricing is ridiculous, especially if you want to use any store assets in a game. 50$ for interactive license + 15$ base price for a pair of sunglasses, just to use them in my game. Same for morphs etc. I can understand the fee is that high for their base figures, but for morphs, skins, props? I stopped buying from them for that reason.
@@poseranddazstudiofunhouse6153 When Epic implements a similar ecosystem for Metahumans there is for Daz, Daz will go bankrupt in the long run if they don’t deliver on par quality and sane pricing
Not sure what you mean by custom characters Peter. DAZ would have zero ownership over characters you make from scratch but if they are based upon DAZ figures, then they would have the right to assert copyright. The massive issue, is whether they can retrospectively assert that right over characters bought before they changed terms.
How could this possibly be enforced? Let's say you 3D print a character without obtaining the license. If you're not posting pictures of it all over the internet, Daz would have absolutely no way to know you did it. Even if you do post pictures online, the chances that a Daz representative would see it, correctly identify it as using Daz assets, find your contact information, find out that you don't have a license for it, and send you cease & desist letters are so low it's practically non-existent. The only circumstance I could possibly see it being problematic would be if you intend to mass produce and sell your 3D printed figures. Other than that, unless you are posting all over the Daz forums bragging about how you are 3D printing Daz assets without having the proper licensing, I would say the chance of ever getting in legal trouble is very close to 0.
Yes, I agree. Even if you sell your prints on Etsy, unless you use the same user name, DAZ has almost no chance of recognizing its figures. Hell, the company loses tens of millions of dollars to the pirate web sites, and they don't go after them at all even when all the content is gathered into a single place! This is just a lazy cash grab!
That Judge in court closed a pirate and awarded 12 grand to license holder. I myself got closed down for piracy, not a daz thing. A lamp shade. All sales were closed down not just offending 1. Even non 3d print sales closed down. Total crushed. License check all uploads and sales. No matter how the file was found or created. Even if you drew it, cat drew it, ai drew it, scan, found free file on some site, purchased a file, a customer gives you a file. Never trust any file. License check before all uploads and sales. Ive learned my lesson. Pitty it was so painfull. Its sad when i see people thinking the law has no value. Scum Pirates rob little old ladies, im very carefull now to get it right.
@@poseranddazstudiofunhouse6153 the comunity should stop pirates to. The comunity didnt have these issues back when there was a few hundred files on the net. Now closer to 30 million and we can see some bad eggs getting involved. 1 influencer i enguaged admitted some scary stuff like wanting 100% of worlds comunity to lose value. So theres some real bad people getting involved and working within to destroy us all. Fake migrates that cause people to loose there business ownerships i uncovered a while ago but yet the dood fronting it still in sector. So the scams are growing in scale to. Hundreds of thousands in that 1. Sharks are able to take ownerships from newbs who dont know the difference between migrate and semi migrate. Theres hardly any education in the 3d printing sector. It seems like lots of info but mostly in reality very very hard to find out anything critical.
@@WillofNewZealand Sounds like you were running a large scale operation. I would of course never recommend mass producing any model without obtaining the proper license. You are far more at risk of lawyers coming after you for IP infringement if you are advertising and selling your figures on a large scale. My point was more that if you are only printing your figurines for personal use, I don't see any way realistically that you could be targeted by Daz lawyers, unless you were taking pictures of your printed figurines, posting them on the Daz forums and saying "Look what I made without buying the license!". And even then, Daz lawyers may not come after you, because I've never actually heard a single instance of Daz targeting anyone for using any improperly obtained assets, whether for 3D printing, interactive licenses, or no.
@@GlassesAndCoffeeMugs i was small time. I only had 1 print for sale at the time. I did license check but i was a newb and didnt do it well enough. The owner of the thing knew nothing about my close down. It was the site who took the action. 1 print is all it takes. As i mentioned somewhere i also failed because. 1. i modded file, but even if i drew it myself id have still got nailed. 2. Downloading a thingiverse file or any file dont prove its not a pirate file, which it was. I read yesterday there was moves to make having the print file in your pc a crime. I do know that some 3d print licenses dont let you have personal use so watch out for that. I know that the majority do allow personal use but not all do so be carefull. People have had my things taken down in other cases and ive taken others down where i invented it first. The sites and search engines aint that good and there issues are becomming more a problem as the comunity grows. There are big scale farms that dont want to obey any laws and if i can easy find them so can the law. I hope for the good of the legit businesses trying to compete with farms who can work very cheap by not license checking and not charging for royalties that they get closed. When i see all the questions on this vid its obvious theres a serious lack of education in this sector. I wish you nice success. Be well from Will and Mr Data :):]
Well, it's certainly within their rights to do that but NOT retrospectively. If I bought X figure a few months ago based on the licensing restrictions at the time, then 3D printed without this license, there is no court in the free world that would find in their favor. This would be fine however for models bought after this was imposed and being sold for commercial purposes. What if I use a purchased model as a base, then import it into Blender and modify it before 3D printing? Can of worms identified.
Today is the first time ive heard of daz. I license 3d prints and feel the licenses are great because, all print farms globally can pay you to print your thing. You get millions of outlets, chain stores, vending machines, all 3d printers are your outlets. My guess is Daz has done a crap sales pitch for the 3d print license opertunities. Print farms can pay each other for each others licensed prints. The marketing team have failed to pitch licensing to you. Have failed to implement licensing well. Those are just opinions based on this vid. Licensing also offers protections, pirates can be closed down by quoting the license. Others have closed me down from other countries and vice versa. Im very carefull these days. License check all uploads and sales. No matter how that file got there, even if you drew it, scan, ai drew it, cat drew it, you found a free file on a site, you purchased a file. Non of that shows its original or genuine. License check all files always. I wish i didnt get closed down as a pirate to learn all that. But i know now.
I'm not really an expert on this issue because I don't have a 3d printer and I don't want to print my models. I think DAZ shoots themselves in the foot with this. As far as I know there is this DAZ to Blender bridge with whom you can get your models fully textured and posable into Blender. Blender on the other side has the tools to make this models printable in 3d printers. So, why should anyone pay for something if you can get it for free? Maybe I'm missing something, but it seems obvious that greed has blinded DAZ management. That's always a bad sign, when the accountant takes the weel.
You don't even have to take the models into Blender. You can export them as OBJs and print straight away. You're right Marco, greed HAS blinded DAZ. They see all the ways that game companies can stiff their players with add on microtransactions, and they want a piece of that action.
Daz should be supported however we can...DAZ STUDIO HAS CREATED THE POSSIBILTY FOR THE FASTEST WORKFLOW IN THE WORLD WHEN YOU VIEWPORT RENDER ANIMATION WITH BLENDER(just like EVEE)...you can crank out content super fast!
I laughed out loud when I read their 3d printing license. I will damn well print any model I’ve bought from Daz. They can suck it.
I agree 100%
If i use a Genesis Character and and alter it with a couple of morphs and print it out, than how would DAZ ever be able to tell that the Character was made with DAZ?
Ive never heard of daz until i came accorss this vid. I know from experience that modding a file was not enougjt to stop me being closed down as a pirate. Modding a thing is not enough. I learned my lesson.
License check all uploads and sales.
Even if i drew it, scan, cat drew it, ai drew it, i found a free file on net, i purchased a file.
Pirates are thieving scumbags who rob little old ladies. Yes there are little old ladies in 3d printing.
To be fair it was prohibited before to 3d print and they did offer the license for free for older purchases. That said, unless it is a commercial license to print for commercial sale of printed models than that would be fair to sell the additional license since most 3d print modelers offer licenses to sell prints. For personal use, as you said there is no way for anyone to verify if it is licensed or not.
It's been in the EULA for over a couple of years that under the standard license you can 3d print the models **for personal use only**. The 3d printing license is only for if you want to sell the 3d printed figures. In short, if you're only printing the models for your own personal use/collection, you don't have to buy the license. That part is still in the EULA under the standard license.
You're mistaken. I contacted DAZ on this issues and Gunnar in support said "Additionally, the license is required for any 3D printed content to be created, even personal content."
@@poseranddazstudiofunhouse6153 well that is certainly new. Especially since I had just reread the EULA prior to making my previous comment.
Do you know any alternatives that doesn't do this shitty decision Daz made?
I only hopped on board because I both saw and went through how easy it was to create a character with Daz Studio, but if selling models is mixed in with not having allowed to 3D print, then I don't wanna touch that with a ten foot pole.
You could argue that the program is free and the models are inexpensive so if you are selling a lot of models, the license, while greedy as a post hoc add on, it's still pretty reasonable if you make a good bit of money from them.
To be clear, you CAN print them - you just need an extra license. As for alternatives, it depends upon your level of 3D competence. Some people might argue for zbrush or blender, and a number of viewers have mentioned iclone, but personally, I'd just ignore DAZ's license
@@poseranddazstudiofunhouse6153
Id never ever suggest ignoring a license. A Judge in court made a print seller pay 12 grand to the license holder.
Myself i was closed down for trying to sell just 1 print. Not just that 1 listing came down but all listings were stopped. Even non 3d prints sales got closed down.
I never ever ignore pr suggest others ignore the rules. The law has value.
Pirates rob little old ladies cause they are scum.
@@WillofNewZealand So because you got busted, it's okay for DAZ to retrospectively change the licensing terms for their products?
That said, COMMERCIAL print is one thing - print for private use is a whole separate ballgame. If I'm making money from a model, it's reasonable that the original artist makes a cut.
What is particularly ironic, is the fact that DAZ NEVER asserts its copyright over the millions of files shared on file sites, costing them and creatures tens of millions, but now they want to attack their loyal customers? Priorities all wrong.
@@poseranddazstudiofunhouse6153 im not even sure what daz is.
I dont like the sound of retrospective whatever the grevance is you speak of. Im working at 3d print licenseing and can see various values in it.
Others can pay you cause of your millions of global outlets.
@@poseranddazstudiofunhouse6153 its clear you know of Daz more than i.
Its sad when sites trample people i know. Oh i wanted to say some sites only allow you to get a copy of the file by paying even for personal use.
Many other sites have free for personal use. I vetted over 56 sites.
3d print licensing its self can be usefull. selling the ownership of that thing license.
Most people sell copies of the thing file but selling the ownership of it is an option.
TRANSFER 3d print thing license, within a website into new owners user name and have date of upload matched back to the original thats still in your user name. By email arrangment only. Once matched then you may delete your original.
Thats a transfer.
Migrate is moving ownership to another website. Dates matched.
Cults3d are operating.
Cgtrader are great but dont do transfers and migrates.
Thingiverse remains down for transfers.
Message me if any site resumes transfers or migrates its an important business service globally to be able to buy and sell your own business.
DAZ pricing is ridiculous, especially if you want to use any store assets in a game. 50$ for interactive license + 15$ base price for a pair of sunglasses, just to use them in my game. Same for morphs etc. I can understand the fee is that high for their base figures, but for morphs, skins, props? I stopped buying from them for that reason.
Yeah, especially when you compare prices against say the Unity store 10-30 on average.
DAZ got greedy. Never a good sign.
@@poseranddazstudiofunhouse6153 When Epic implements a similar ecosystem for Metahumans there is for Daz, Daz will go bankrupt in the long run if they don’t deliver on par quality and sane pricing
I'm guessing this is only for bought characters, not custom characters?
Not sure what you mean by custom characters Peter. DAZ would have zero ownership over characters you make from scratch but if they are based upon DAZ figures, then they would have the right to assert copyright.
The massive issue, is whether they can retrospectively assert that right over characters bought before they changed terms.
@@poseranddazstudiofunhouse6153 you answered my question, as I ment a custom morphed genesis 8 figure.
How could this possibly be enforced? Let's say you 3D print a character without obtaining the license. If you're not posting pictures of it all over the internet, Daz would have absolutely no way to know you did it. Even if you do post pictures online, the chances that a Daz representative would see it, correctly identify it as using Daz assets, find your contact information, find out that you don't have a license for it, and send you cease & desist letters are so low it's practically non-existent.
The only circumstance I could possibly see it being problematic would be if you intend to mass produce and sell your 3D printed figures. Other than that, unless you are posting all over the Daz forums bragging about how you are 3D printing Daz assets without having the proper licensing, I would say the chance of ever getting in legal trouble is very close to 0.
Yes, I agree. Even if you sell your prints on Etsy, unless you use the same user name, DAZ has almost no chance of recognizing its figures. Hell, the company loses tens of millions of dollars to the pirate web sites, and they don't go after them at all even when all the content is gathered into a single place! This is just a lazy cash grab!
That Judge in court closed a pirate and awarded 12 grand to license holder. I myself got closed down for piracy, not a daz thing.
A lamp shade. All sales were closed down not just offending 1. Even non 3d print sales closed down. Total crushed.
License check all uploads and sales.
No matter how the file was found or created.
Even if you drew it, cat drew it, ai drew it, scan, found free file on some site, purchased a file, a customer gives you a file.
Never trust any file.
License check before all uploads and sales.
Ive learned my lesson. Pitty it was so painfull. Its sad when i see people thinking the law has no value.
Scum Pirates rob little old ladies, im very carefull now to get it right.
@@poseranddazstudiofunhouse6153 the comunity should stop pirates to.
The comunity didnt have these issues back when there was a few hundred files on the net. Now closer to 30 million and we can see some bad eggs getting involved.
1 influencer i enguaged admitted some scary stuff like wanting 100% of worlds comunity to lose value. So theres some real bad people getting involved and working within to destroy us all.
Fake migrates that cause people to loose there business ownerships i uncovered a while ago but yet the dood fronting it still in sector.
So the scams are growing in scale to. Hundreds of thousands in that 1.
Sharks are able to take ownerships from newbs who dont know the difference between migrate and semi migrate. Theres hardly any education in the 3d printing sector.
It seems like lots of info but mostly in reality very very hard to find out anything critical.
@@WillofNewZealand Sounds like you were running a large scale operation. I would of course never recommend mass producing any model without obtaining the proper license. You are far more at risk of lawyers coming after you for IP infringement if you are advertising and selling your figures on a large scale.
My point was more that if you are only printing your figurines for personal use, I don't see any way realistically that you could be targeted by Daz lawyers, unless you were taking pictures of your printed figurines, posting them on the Daz forums and saying "Look what I made without buying the license!". And even then, Daz lawyers may not come after you, because I've never actually heard a single instance of Daz targeting anyone for using any improperly obtained assets, whether for 3D printing, interactive licenses, or no.
@@GlassesAndCoffeeMugs i was small time. I only had 1 print for sale at the time.
I did license check but i was a newb and didnt do it well enough.
The owner of the thing knew nothing about my close down. It was the site who took the action. 1 print is all it takes.
As i mentioned somewhere i also failed because.
1. i modded file, but even if i drew it myself id have still got nailed.
2. Downloading a thingiverse file or any file dont prove its not a pirate file, which it was.
I read yesterday there was moves to make having the print file in your pc a crime.
I do know that some 3d print licenses dont let you have personal use so watch out for that.
I know that the majority do allow personal use but not all do so be carefull.
People have had my things taken down in other cases and ive taken others down where i invented it first.
The sites and search engines aint that good and there issues are becomming more a problem as the comunity grows. There are big scale farms that dont want to obey any laws and if i can easy find them so can the law. I hope for the good of the legit businesses trying to compete with farms who can work very cheap by not license checking and not charging for royalties that they get closed.
When i see all the questions on this vid its obvious theres a serious lack of education in this sector.
I wish you nice success.
Be well from Will and Mr Data :):]
Well, it's certainly within their rights to do that but NOT retrospectively.
If I bought X figure a few months ago based on the licensing restrictions at the time, then 3D printed without this license,
there is no court in the free world that would find in their favor.
This would be fine however for models bought after this was imposed and being sold for commercial purposes.
What if I use a purchased model as a base, then import it into Blender and modify it before 3D printing? Can of worms identified.
"but NOT retrospectively" I couldn't agree more!
Today is the first time ive heard of daz. I license 3d prints and feel the licenses are great because, all print farms globally can pay you to print your thing. You get millions of outlets, chain stores, vending machines, all 3d printers are your outlets. My guess is Daz has done a crap sales pitch for the 3d print license opertunities.
Print farms can pay each other for each others licensed prints.
The marketing team have failed to pitch licensing to you. Have failed to implement licensing well.
Those are just opinions based on this vid.
Licensing also offers protections, pirates can be closed down by quoting the license. Others have closed me down from other countries and vice versa.
Im very carefull these days.
License check all uploads and sales.
No matter how that file got there, even if you drew it, scan, ai drew it, cat drew it, you found a free file on a site, you purchased a file.
Non of that shows its original or genuine. License check all files always. I wish i didnt get closed down as a pirate to learn all that.
But i know now.
I'm not really an expert on this issue because I don't have a 3d printer and I don't want to print my models.
I think DAZ shoots themselves in the foot with this.
As far as I know there is this DAZ to Blender bridge with whom you can get your models fully textured and posable into Blender.
Blender on the other side has the tools to make this models printable in 3d printers.
So, why should anyone pay for something if you can get it for free?
Maybe I'm missing something, but it seems obvious that greed has blinded DAZ management.
That's always a bad sign, when the accountant takes the weel.
You don't even have to take the models into Blender. You can export them as OBJs and print straight away.
You're right Marco, greed HAS blinded DAZ. They see all the ways that game companies can stiff their players with add on microtransactions, and they want a piece of that action.
luckily, the daz file-sharing community is great
Daz should be supported however we can...DAZ STUDIO HAS CREATED THE POSSIBILTY FOR THE FASTEST WORKFLOW IN THE WORLD WHEN YOU VIEWPORT RENDER ANIMATION WITH BLENDER(just like EVEE)...you can crank out content super fast!
ok then - I will just stick with Blender - rip off - Daz3D & Poser bad taste in my mouth.
Yeah, mine too.