I think you guys are a bit harsh on Vanya and not as harsh as you should be on Luther. The apocalypse wouldn't have happened if it wasn't for Luther doing exactly what their dad had done. Klaus suggested just 'talking to her' and if people just listened to Klaus for once (A recurring thing in the show is that nobody ever believes Klaus, not about his powers or anything and never had) the world would have probably been okay and so would Vanya. And taking it from Vanya's perspective, she grew up with zero love and found music to help her focus on something that wasn't her extremely rough and neglectful life. She watched her family become famous, loved across the world, get comics, get framed in each photo on the family wall. And even at Ben's funeral she was looked down on. She definitely still cared for Ben, and I think even her siblings think she doesn't have the same connection to Ben as they do since she doesn't go on missions or go to training. Everything that happened recently in the show is a perfect cause for the Apocalypse to happen.
Can’t really be mad at any of them. Luther’s choice isn’t surprising. He raised and shaped to think the way his father does and do what his father wanted. He never left his father like the others, he was sent away so he will always have that attachment.
100% agree! Luther was the cause of what happened because of imprisoning Vanya instead of talking to her. Nathan needs to stop playing God. Why is Vanya to blame when she didn't know? I agree with Cameron. If you don't agree with Nathan he "zones out". Nate needs to chill. Cameron was the man this comments section. The worst writing in this show was the apparent superhuman strength of Hazel and ChaCha. Five explained why he was stuck in that particular physical state when he arrived in episode 1. You guys need to rewatch it now that you know what happens to see the signs.
@@carriesmith742 i mean Hazel and ChaCha are soldiers for a time-correcting organization, it's only natural they'd pick the best of the best. the Handler certainly knows about the 40ish amazing children born on that day, who knows, maybe Hazel and ChaCha were some of them? or, they weren't, and they were just impressive. or, they have superhuman experimentation? basically, my point is, the world of Umbrella Academy has alot of supernatural happenings, so i feel like there's many possible reasons.
This was on Luther he locked Vanya up and refuse to help her get control of her power only because she hurt his precious Allison. Everyone including Allison understood how confusing things were for Vanya and wanted to help her, but Luther took it upon himself to lock her up and then Vanya was literally just minding her own business playing at her concert and Luther again decided to provoke her. Luther has proven that he is the worst leader.
Alison & Klaus had the right idea -- that was to just talk to her & help her Them, especially Luther, treating her the same way as their dad -- like a monster who needed to be controlled & put down -- was the true cause of the apocalypse. The many times they were given to just spend time with her & talk to her -- yet the only person to do it was Alison -- which is why she wanted to help her She saw that Vanya wasn't who they had painted her out to be -- that she didn't need fixing but just love. She didn't throw the bag, she didn't even know all of that would happen -- she just wanted to help her sister. Idk how you guys can get mad at her for that.
Vanya didnt want the world to end her being knocked up when she was in her full power made her lose control and shoot that beam ( so technically the world ending was just an accident). you guys need to understand that every sibling on the show has mental issues stems from their dad. its not just vanya who has a problem they're all flawed. alison saved vanya because vanya was misunderstood and she saw that vanya can be helped. yes vanya power is powerful but her dad deemed her as too strong so the dad was the problem he wanted control so he made her sister rumor her just so (he can control her
Everyone’s powers are bigger than first thought but since they were trained a certain way that’s all they believe. Like how Five could only transport through space he realized that’s closely related to time so his power was different than face value. Vanya has the power of energy manipulation but she only knows to use sound, Diego only uses knives but he can essentially control any projectile, Klaus sees the dead but it’s more about death itself, and Allison can warp reality but she’s only known how to use it with “I heard a rumor”; its interesting cause they constantly hint at things like that.
Vanya's ability is she can essentially do anything but her power is fueled by absorbing sound. Allison's and Klaus' abilities in the comics are far more powerful than in the show. Allison can essentially warp reality by telling a lie, as long as what she says isn't true, it becomes reality, there are no limits to it. Klaus was an insanely powerful telekinetic in the comics, he catches a meteor and throws it back into space at one part along with having telepathy, he also can commune and summon the dead.
Vanya isn’t the villain, the villain is and always will be Reginald Hargreeves. They could’ve TALKED to Vanya when she came to the house but Luther decided being the leader that he is going to make an executive decision. The problem is Luther is a piss poor leader that’s where his tension with Diego comes from, things only work when Five is the leader tbh. Now, yes Vanya is the most powerful (so far) because their powers adapt but as she grew up, Reginald should’ve been weening her off medication and training her - teaching her how to use her powers because they’re tied to sound but also her emotions. She hasn’t learned how to deal with ANY emotions because she’s been drugged since she was a literal child. She’s been living on autopilot and now she has to control her emotions? It was irresponsible of their father to allow her to grow up that way with no guidance. He was able to CONTROL the other children so he took the easy way out in not teaching her about her power, he was studying her just like the rest of them, he learned a lot about them and their abilities - including growth potential. The man thought himself a genius but couldn’t come up with a comprehensive plan to train his most powerful one over time.
Characters don't have to make the decisions the viewers would make. Ideally, the should make the decisions that make sense given what we know about the characters. Reginald is an obsessive, sociopathic control-freak so he decides to put Vanya's powers behind a mental block and dope her up so she never learns to handle her emotions. Luther placed so much of his self-worth on being a dutiful son and leader that he can't see past his father's mistakes to avoid repeating them. Allison knows firsthand how disastrous her powers can be and is trying to atone for abusing them, while Klaus is terrified of his powers after his father locked him in with ghosts when he was a child. They are the most sympathetic to Vanya's plight after she loses control and while she's pleading with the siblings to let her out of the cell. Five, who considers himself the most experienced and 'well-adjusted' of the siblings, feels like he's the only one who can prevent the apocalypse. His actions ironically end up changing the trajectory of all the character's story lines so that they're in a worse position to stop the apocalypse than if he'd simply stayed at the Commission. Vanya being referred to as a 'bomb' is very apt, because to Leonard, she was little more than a tool, a weapon he wanted to point at the other Umbrellas due to his own traumas. What we know about Vanya is that she wants to be accepted and loved. So she holds on to that first scrap of admiration she receives, blind to the warning signs. When everything falls apart and she turns to her family for help, they seemingly betray and reject her (again). So the pressure of all her too-big emotions, her trauma, her past builds past the tipping point. And Vanya explodes. That said, good luck in Season 2!
It was all Luther's dumb ass fault he could've talked to her but noooooo let's lock her in the dark room that caused her more trauma than she already had! that'll definitely help 🙄
I don't blame Vanya for what she is doing/may do, as she has been lied to, molded, and mistreated/disrespected throughout her life. There are three people, in my opinion, that are responsible for what is happening. Reginald Hargreeves for lying and hiding everything from her, and not to mention using Allison to wipe Vanya's knowledge of her power, and drugging her; Harold for using her, turning her against her family, lying to her just like Reginald, trying to use her as a weapon; and Luther for locking her up again instead of trying to talk to her... doing to her what their father did. She came to apologize and make amends. Even at the end, they tried to jump her when Allison could have just spoke with her.
it's funny to me that everything they say with negative intent between Hazel and his girlfriend could also be applied to Mike and Elevens' relationship in Stranger Things. - Eleven (Hazel) without intention to puts Mike (da girl) into deep shit - by the end of season 1 they met what, like 7 days ago? - They love eachother despite their newfound mutual trauma, both physical and mental.
Difference is Mike was a willing and active participant in what was going on and eleven is a manipulated victim. This lady is just caught in the crosshairs and Hazel is a serial killer.
36:05 Five has time traveled *5* times in this season, one of those times got him stranded in the future for 45yrs & another got him stuck back in his 13yo body He can't just 'jump back in time' & fix anything that goes wrong Also, this is the first time Klaus physically summons a ghost & it was A.) his brother, who's been with him for 13yrs & B.) under _extreme_ duress (his siblings were literally being shot at) Not like he can just turn that on & off
Time travel in this series concerns one timeline, and it's the easier to understand if you choose Five as reference point. When Five went to the (1st) apocalypse at 13, he arrived at the end of the sequence where things happen without him and world ended. When Five went back at 58, he became an anomaly in the timeline (he's initially not there prior to the 1st apocalypse), making the timeline deviate from its 1st course. Therefore, the result of what had happened in the 1st apocalypse (world ended with siblings died) was replaced by the new result (world ended but siblings escaped). Can't wait to see your reaction to season 2; it's my favorite!
Loved your reaction! Seasons 2 and 3 are so much better! I disagree with you guys saying to kill Vanya. Luther is the one who locked her up again which is what caused her rage. We saw that she came to apologize at the mansion for what she did to Allison and how worried she was. If they would have only talked about it and helped her maybe control her powers the apocalypse could have been prevented. I really did not like Luther in these last few episodes. Vanya needs love and someone to help her. All the kids had some guidance and help to control their powers when they were kids, but Vanya didn't, the dad thought it was too hard and just gave up on her. I'm glad they took her with them because if they didn't it would have been like them giving up on her too, without trying to help her first. Can't wait for your reactions to season 2!
Yeah, I'm surprised they went as far as saying Vanya doesn't care about them. She was _distraught_ after accidentally hurting Allison, she voted against deactivating Grace, she listened to Five (even though she didn't believe him)
Luther messed up TWICE. Vanya felt wronged and was mentally and emotionally vulnerable. He didn’t even try to understand or help her. He’s more like their dad than he wants to admit. He has no tolerance, and no consideration. He’s blinded by his strange infatuation with Allison and this image that he’s built around her being perfect. Allison and his brothers knew it was wrong to trap her in there and he ignored them. That’s what makes him such a terrible leader. He thinks he knows best when he knows nothing at all and despite ALLISON not being mad at Vanya, and understanding the situation a little more, he didn’t care. Baby Luther was upset so now he must throw big baby tantrum. Lol.
What Vanya is displaying, is a worst case scenario for childhood trauma unchecked and emotional neglect. She isn't handling the situation in the best way and I'm not excusing their current actions, but venya needs some grace and understanding. I feel for Vanya as a character and can empathize with them personally
Their dad is honestly the problem with people today. They don’t know how important emotional intelligence is. If her father had taught Vanya how to control not only her powers but her emotions as well. And then Luther is just like his father wanting to lock her up like an animal instead of helping her manage her emotions. Vanya has the emotional intelligence of a child because they put her on pills to numb her. So basically she’s having a tantrum because they wouldn’t ever let her feel anything besides numbness and aloneness her entire life.
yo i cannot wait for y’all to start season 2, best season imo! to me the time travel logistics are pretty easy to understand the way that they present it, and a lot of characters (especially luther) get a lot more likable! strap in lmfaooo
The apocalypse wasn’t vanya fault. It was Luther’s because he was the trigger. She wasn’t even herself when she did that stuff the power took over. I get the other sentiments but Allison could e stopped her but Luther interrupted and then Allison shooting the gun caused her to shoot all that power. She didn’t purposely try to end the world.
The best way I can interpret V doing the whole apocalypse thing... It's like, imagine feeling your feelings for the first time. Happy, sad, resentment, anger, etc Now, imagine doing all that while being someone who could potentially destroy the entire world with said emotions. It's like when people get really angry and they say they acted terribly and it felt like they were watching themselves do whatever while actively not wanting to.
Lmaoo that basically sums up the end discussion (I like watching them but sometimes they overthink and make things seem more complicated than they are)
5:53 that is the the siblings originally died. When he time-traveled to the apocalypse, Five found the house destroyed & his siblings buried in the rubble In the original timeline Vanya & Harold went to the house, something happened to make Vanya upset (probably Harold egging her on) Luther attacked Harold & Vanya brought the house down on them, killing them all
3:05 Nathan, its not like the show's jumping the shark or anything, this is all the first season XD Also, in a show with a 58 year old 13yo & the ghost of a child who had an eldritch monster in his tummy, you draw the line at aliens?? 😂😂
I totally agree with Nathan that Aidan is the best actor on the show with his portrayal of Five. But the whole cast is super impressive. You see them shine with each individual storyline. I only consider Aidan the best because his character is actually VERY difficult to portray yet he delivers the exasperation, sass, wisdom and cutting edge of a fifty plus old assassin flawlessly. I also think he really gets the balance of when to and when to not over-express. He shows considerable restraint in expressions and it helps to convey how affable he's become as a battle hardened agent. Anyway, great reaction!!
The Vanya hate is not going to go well with TUA fans…This is not the vibe. She was abused and manipulated her entire life. She’s a victim who doesn’t know how to handle her own emotions and suffers from lack of self worth. The second anyone found her special, she attached herself to him quickly, which MAKES SENSE?? She doesn’t know better. She’s been drugged her whole life and hasn’t been taught anything about emotional regulation or healthy relationships. Wtf is wrong with y’all?
Vanya did not end the World on her own. She was taking the 4 guys power with the light beams. It was the combined power that blew up the Moon. She just wanted to do the Concert. The beams and such were a reaction to her being attacked. So Vanya was not Evil. Just Pissed. You guys were Pissed, big time because the writers wrote a different show that you wanted to react to. If you had Vanya's powers........... We all would be dead too........... ha ha
Me: *sees it’s a 40 minute long episode* oh, it’s probably a long episode bc it’s a season finale. The guys: *arguing over the final scene for half the video*
You guys need a mediator. Somehow you always end up misunderstanding each other and argue over semantics even though you technically agree with each other 😂.
Vanya s power is crazy, but I think if she knew that she had powers and trained to use them like the others, it would be much better. Though I still think she s one of the best characters.
It’s not vanyas fault, I get she’s too powerful but I don’t think it’s her, she doesn’t want to hurt anyone she just lost control and her power took over which is her father’s fault for giving up on her
You're telling me number 5 was in the future for years trying to figure out how the world ended and he never once look up and thought "you know what I haven't seen in a while? THE MOON!"
I don't think Vanya blew up the moon the first time she ended the word. Remember when they found the bodies and they had Leonard's eye. Vanya killing him and other events happening changed how she originally ended the word.
@@rex8329 so in the original timeline she just created the shockwave big enough to kill her entire family and destroy most of the buildings in the world? what happened to her? I thought she brought the moon down & the moon killed her along with everyone else. If she killed everyone she would still be somewhere in the future.
@@951penalozahugo Well, in the clip we see the fire just consumes everything, just burns everything to a crisp. When Five went to the future it was still on fire but there was rubble remaining. Not everything just being incinerated.
Vanya wasn't a bitch when she was younger. She just wanted to be included, and all her dad did weas tell her how there was nothing special about her. And then her siblings didn't hangout with her. She wasn't used to dealing with her emotions. And she didn't know why she was taking the pills. The dad maybe made the cage he put her in the way he did because he didn't need to make it stranger, while she was in there she was Rumored to believe she was ordinary, and she was sedated anyway. They wouldn't all just not remember when they went back because that would then be their future, not past. So they should still have the memories (if we're going with the logic of Lost tv show) . they wanted to go back to include Vanya and "fix" her.
it’s all the Luthers, that boy that open up her powers and the dad fault. if the dad actually practice with her more with her powers when she got older wasnt so scared she could’ve been control that. so maybe blaming vanya for what she’s been through. It’s not cool. like come on
Nah Nathan’s right that was just a tv thing not a real thing that was just something for the audience to just show the kids they’re not going back as kids. And 5 saying that they might be 50 yrs old in a 15 year old body was just an example of an joke again like Nathan said.
@@jamwasd they didn’t react to the stranger things season 4 volume 2 trailer and that was amazing so I doubt they’ll react to the season 2 trailer of UA.
vanya isnt evil look at it from her point of view and what she went through her whole life the way she was treated by her entire family and the fact her emotions were suppreessed for so long made her do what she did she is not beyond saying lets take an example from another series darth vader everyone thought he was pure evil but in the end it look his son being tortured and pleaing to his father to help him for his father to turn away from the darkside so the fact that you say just let vanya die makes no sense i would hate to be your sibling
I agree with nathan if you jump thru time you dont change age you just jump back to the day in time that you time traveled to.. Its like when dean went back in time and met his dad dean was still dean but technically dean wasnt even born yet at the time he traveled to. So if they went back in time when they was kids they would just end up meeting the kid version of themselves instead of them turning back to kids themselves it wouldn't make sense. But the kid version of ben would be alive but it wouldnt be the same ben that they know that went thru everything as an adult bc he is dead he wasnt in the inner circle when they time traveled. And they just keep going back in time for the same events to keep happening anyways it seems inevitable unless u kill vanya as a kid and the adult version.
What do you mean you understand the father like putting the very obvious child abuse aside, NONE of this apocalypse stuff would have happened if this idiot would have included Vanya into the "family" and thaught her how to use her powers like!??
Even tho this is true he eventually just gave up on him because his powers were really IMO controlled by his anger he’s still a shitty person none the less. 😭
@@JustUs So why does Vanya get the most hate? Luther locked her up instead of trying to help her. She just got her powers and is upset that she was made to be worthless her whole life. That's not fair to her.
The process of time travel give a flash of them being kids, it happens when Five travel back as well, he just isn't experience with travel to properly control the process so he end up changing from an old man to his pre-teen self. It wasn't suppose to happen.
the thing is , if five didn´t rewid the time, vanya was finding out that leonard is a bad guy, cause she was finding the book and she would tell her family and her family would be on her side cause she didn´t hurt allison yet , so luther would not be mad at her and he wouldn´t look her up and the world would not end, o it´s all five´s fault in a way
None of the siblings deserve to be hated, that's the point Luther was raised to be #1/the leader. He was just trying to keep his family safe the best way he knew how. It wasn't the right call, but he wasn't being malicious
Apocalypse was 100% Luther’s fault and I’ll always stand by that. On a side note, season 2 is so much better than season 1 and I can’t wait for you guys to watch it!
Y'all are so pressed at how powerful she is lol, stern angry voices, 3 out of 4 of your with your arms crossed, constantly talking about it not being able to let it go
Reginald was in the _wrong_ if he'd trained Vanya to control her powers (and more importantly, not made her an outcast in her own family) none of this would have happened. Tbh, Allison, Klaus & Ben could probably _also_ cause an apocalypse if they suffered a mental break.
as somebody that couldn't watch the last season i recognize that there was problems with the writing in the first season that pointed to bigger problems later and even though i like next season if yall aint feeling it and want to drop it then yall shouldn't have to force it
I don't disagree that vanya should die , but she would have been able to control her powers if she wasn't emotionally abused by Hargreaves ,or knew the truth , she hasn't had time to learn, imagine becoming a super sayian out of nowhere , Hargreaves tried to teach her to control it then gave up , but it would've worked if he just kept trying or treated her like a daughter instead of treating all the kids like tiny homelanders
I know it was meant to be seen as romantic, but it was inappropriate and creepy that Luther was confessing his love to someone while speaking on behalf for them to their child. Like the dissonance of him telling a little girl how much her mother loves her while those words are _also_ meant to portray how much he romantically loves the mother.
Come on, you guys would not kill your sibling if they came at you with receipts about something that happened during your childhoods. You'd try to talk it through with them. Vanya is their _sister_ they don't _want_ to kill her
Luther seriously pissed me off in season 1 how are you going to be mad about being sent to the moon but, lock your sister up and not want to take her out like BFFR! He basically is doing the same thing Reggie did bc we truly don't know how long he would've kept her there🙄. It's also basically his fault, Leo's fault, and Reggie's fault but mainly it's Luther's bc she literally said she couldn't breathe in there so i can understand why she would be angry and want to kill them bc that was traumatic for her as a child. Meanwhile, Luther just spent some time on the moon he's such a big baby like I don't understand! I guess what I'm saying is yall needa leave Vanya alone bc its not her fault at all its Luther's he's who yall should be mad at.
vanya is their sister. they love her even if they dont show it. at the end of the day you do everything to save your sister and try everything. is that difficult to understand?
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I think you guys are a bit harsh on Vanya and not as harsh as you should be on Luther. The apocalypse wouldn't have happened if it wasn't for Luther doing exactly what their dad had done. Klaus suggested just 'talking to her' and if people just listened to Klaus for once (A recurring thing in the show is that nobody ever believes Klaus, not about his powers or anything and never had) the world would have probably been okay and so would Vanya. And taking it from Vanya's perspective, she grew up with zero love and found music to help her focus on something that wasn't her extremely rough and neglectful life. She watched her family become famous, loved across the world, get comics, get framed in each photo on the family wall. And even at Ben's funeral she was looked down on. She definitely still cared for Ben, and I think even her siblings think she doesn't have the same connection to Ben as they do since she doesn't go on missions or go to training. Everything that happened recently in the show is a perfect cause for the Apocalypse to happen.
yeah I don’t understand the hate for vanya🤷🏾♀️
Straight up facts
Can’t really be mad at any of them. Luther’s choice isn’t surprising. He raised and shaped to think the way his father does and do what his father wanted. He never left his father like the others, he was sent away so he will always have that attachment.
100% agree! Luther was the cause of what happened because of imprisoning Vanya instead of talking to her. Nathan needs to stop playing God. Why is Vanya to blame when she didn't know? I agree with Cameron. If you don't agree with Nathan he "zones out". Nate needs to chill. Cameron was the man this comments section. The worst writing in this show was the apparent superhuman strength of Hazel and ChaCha. Five explained why he was stuck in that particular physical state when he arrived in episode 1. You guys need to rewatch it now that you know what happens to see the signs.
@@carriesmith742 i mean Hazel and ChaCha are soldiers for a time-correcting organization, it's only natural they'd pick the best of the best. the Handler certainly knows about the 40ish amazing children born on that day, who knows, maybe Hazel and ChaCha were some of them? or, they weren't, and they were just impressive. or, they have superhuman experimentation? basically, my point is, the world of Umbrella Academy has alot of supernatural happenings, so i feel like there's many possible reasons.
This was on Luther he locked Vanya up and refuse to help her get control of her power only because she hurt his precious Allison. Everyone including Allison understood how confusing things were for Vanya and wanted to help her, but Luther took it upon himself to lock her up and then Vanya was literally just minding her own business playing at her concert and Luther again decided to provoke her. Luther has proven that he is the worst leader.
and the worst character in my opinion
Alison & Klaus had the right idea -- that was to just talk to her & help her
Them, especially Luther, treating her the same way as their dad -- like a monster who needed to be controlled & put down -- was the true cause of the apocalypse.
The many times they were given to just spend time with her & talk to her -- yet the only person to do it was Alison -- which is why she wanted to help her
She saw that Vanya wasn't who they had painted her out to be -- that she didn't need fixing but just love. She didn't throw the bag, she didn't even know all of that would happen -- she just wanted to help her sister. Idk how you guys can get mad at her for that.
I support Vanya's rights, but more importantly, I support Vanya's wrongs.
Same
Vanya didnt want the world to end her being knocked up when she was in her full power made her lose control and shoot that beam ( so technically the world ending was just an accident). you guys need to understand that every sibling on the show has mental issues stems from their dad. its not just vanya who has a problem they're all flawed. alison saved vanya because vanya was misunderstood and she saw that vanya can be helped. yes vanya power is powerful but her dad deemed her as too strong so the dad was the problem he wanted control so he made her sister rumor her just so (he can control her
Everyone’s powers are bigger than first thought but since they were trained a certain way that’s all they believe. Like how Five could only transport through space he realized that’s closely related to time so his power was different than face value. Vanya has the power of energy manipulation but she only knows to use sound, Diego only uses knives but he can essentially control any projectile, Klaus sees the dead but it’s more about death itself, and Allison can warp reality but she’s only known how to use it with “I heard a rumor”; its interesting cause they constantly hint at things like that.
Vanya's ability is she can essentially do anything but her power is fueled by absorbing sound. Allison's and Klaus' abilities in the comics are far more powerful than in the show. Allison can essentially warp reality by telling a lie, as long as what she says isn't true, it becomes reality, there are no limits to it. Klaus was an insanely powerful telekinetic in the comics, he catches a meteor and throws it back into space at one part along with having telepathy, he also can commune and summon the dead.
Vanya destroying the mansion is such karmic retribution, so cathartic. you go girl.
You go boy*
@@annivilen spoilers? you do realize they read the comments, yes?
@@annivilen delete that comment
@@Green-3c34y65vrbu the actor is a dude now
@@Green-3c34y65vrbuhe’s a man in and out the show…
Vanya isn’t the villain, the villain is and always will be Reginald Hargreeves. They could’ve TALKED to Vanya when she came to the house but Luther decided being the leader that he is going to make an executive decision. The problem is Luther is a piss poor leader that’s where his tension with Diego comes from, things only work when Five is the leader tbh.
Now, yes Vanya is the most powerful (so far) because their powers adapt but as she grew up, Reginald should’ve been weening her off medication and training her - teaching her how to use her powers because they’re tied to sound but also her emotions. She hasn’t learned how to deal with ANY emotions because she’s been drugged since she was a literal child. She’s been living on autopilot and now she has to control her emotions? It was irresponsible of their father to allow her to grow up that way with no guidance. He was able to CONTROL the other children so he took the easy way out in not teaching her about her power, he was studying her just like the rest of them, he learned a lot about them and their abilities - including growth potential. The man thought himself a genius but couldn’t come up with a comprehensive plan to train his most powerful one over time.
Reginald is definitely not the villain he is the main force against the apocalypse
@@BenDover-904 Bitch what
vanya killed my favorite characters and almost killed another one. i don’t care what the story is about, i hope vanya dies.
Really Luther caused the apocalypse by locking her up when everyone told him not too
" Hey why dont we just talk to vanya to know how she feels and what is going on with her ? "
"Nah, we better lock her up and that's it "
Well.
@@crisc1049 literally
Season 2 is insane Y’all r going to lose y’all mind 🔥🔥🔥
I just think it’s crazy that the actor for Five was on Ricky, Nicky, Dicky and Dawn.
Characters don't have to make the decisions the viewers would make. Ideally, the should make the decisions that make sense given what we know about the characters.
Reginald is an obsessive, sociopathic control-freak so he decides to put Vanya's powers behind a mental block and dope her up so she never learns to handle her emotions.
Luther placed so much of his self-worth on being a dutiful son and leader that he can't see past his father's mistakes to avoid repeating them.
Allison knows firsthand how disastrous her powers can be and is trying to atone for abusing them, while Klaus is terrified of his powers after his father locked him in with ghosts when he was a child. They are the most sympathetic to Vanya's plight after she loses control and while she's pleading with the siblings to let her out of the cell.
Five, who considers himself the most experienced and 'well-adjusted' of the siblings, feels like he's the only one who can prevent the apocalypse. His actions ironically end up changing the trajectory of all the character's story lines so that they're in a worse position to stop the apocalypse than if he'd simply stayed at the Commission.
Vanya being referred to as a 'bomb' is very apt, because to Leonard, she was little more than a tool, a weapon he wanted to point at the other Umbrellas due to his own traumas. What we know about Vanya is that she wants to be accepted and loved. So she holds on to that first scrap of admiration she receives, blind to the warning signs. When everything falls apart and she turns to her family for help, they seemingly betray and reject her (again). So the pressure of all her too-big emotions, her trauma, her past builds past the tipping point. And Vanya explodes.
That said, good luck in Season 2!
It was all Luther's dumb ass fault he could've talked to her but noooooo let's lock her in the dark room that caused her more trauma than she already had! that'll definitely help 🙄
Bro I can’t wait for them to get to season 3😂
Season 3 was shit
right it was so good
@@JaySewanishit was so confusing ngl😂
it was the worse season ever. season 2 was perfect.
season 3 made me furious.
I don't blame Vanya for what she is doing/may do, as she has been lied to, molded, and mistreated/disrespected throughout her life. There are three people, in my opinion, that are responsible for what is happening. Reginald Hargreeves for lying and hiding everything from her, and not to mention using Allison to wipe Vanya's knowledge of her power, and drugging her; Harold for using her, turning her against her family, lying to her just like Reginald, trying to use her as a weapon; and Luther for locking her up again instead of trying to talk to her... doing to her what their father did. She came to apologize and make amends. Even at the end, they tried to jump her when Allison could have just spoke with her.
it's funny to me that everything they say with negative intent between Hazel and his girlfriend could also be applied to Mike and Elevens' relationship in Stranger Things.
- Eleven (Hazel) without intention to puts Mike (da girl) into deep shit
- by the end of season 1 they met what, like 7 days ago?
- They love eachother despite their newfound mutual trauma, both physical and mental.
damn i didn't even peep that lol
Difference is Mike was a willing and active participant in what was going on and eleven is a manipulated victim. This lady is just caught in the crosshairs and Hazel is a serial killer.
36:05 Five has time traveled *5* times in this season, one of those times got him stranded in the future for 45yrs & another got him stuck back in his 13yo body
He can't just 'jump back in time' & fix anything that goes wrong
Also, this is the first time Klaus physically summons a ghost & it was A.) his brother, who's been with him for 13yrs & B.) under _extreme_ duress (his siblings were literally being shot at)
Not like he can just turn that on & off
Time travel in this series concerns one timeline, and it's the easier to understand if you choose Five as reference point. When Five went to the (1st) apocalypse at 13, he arrived at the end of the sequence where things happen without him and world ended. When Five went back at 58, he became an anomaly in the timeline (he's initially not there prior to the 1st apocalypse), making the timeline deviate from its 1st course. Therefore, the result of what had happened in the 1st apocalypse (world ended with siblings died) was replaced by the new result (world ended but siblings escaped). Can't wait to see your reaction to season 2; it's my favorite!
Loved your reaction! Seasons 2 and 3 are so much better! I disagree with you guys saying to kill Vanya. Luther is the one who locked her up again which is what caused her rage. We saw that she came to apologize at the mansion for what she did to Allison and how worried she was. If they would have only talked about it and helped her maybe control her powers the apocalypse could have been prevented. I really did not like Luther in these last few episodes. Vanya needs love and someone to help her. All the kids had some guidance and help to control their powers when they were kids, but Vanya didn't, the dad thought it was too hard and just gave up on her. I'm glad they took her with them because if they didn't it would have been like them giving up on her too, without trying to help her first. Can't wait for your reactions to season 2!
Yeah, I'm surprised they went as far as saying Vanya doesn't care about them. She was _distraught_ after accidentally hurting Allison, she voted against deactivating Grace, she listened to Five (even though she didn't believe him)
Luther messed up TWICE. Vanya felt wronged and was mentally and emotionally vulnerable. He didn’t even try to understand or help her. He’s more like their dad than he wants to admit. He has no tolerance, and no consideration. He’s blinded by his strange infatuation with Allison and this image that he’s built around her being perfect. Allison and his brothers knew it was wrong to trap her in there and he ignored them. That’s what makes him such a terrible leader. He thinks he knows best when he knows nothing at all and despite ALLISON not being mad at Vanya, and understanding the situation a little more, he didn’t care. Baby Luther was upset so now he must throw big baby tantrum. Lol.
What Vanya is displaying, is a worst case scenario for childhood trauma unchecked and emotional neglect. She isn't handling the situation in the best way and I'm not excusing their current actions, but venya needs some grace and understanding. I feel for Vanya as a character and can empathize with them personally
Their dad is honestly the problem with people today. They don’t know how important emotional intelligence is. If her father had taught Vanya how to control not only her powers but her emotions as well. And then Luther is just like his father wanting to lock her up like an animal instead of helping her manage her emotions. Vanya has the emotional intelligence of a child because they put her on pills to numb her. So basically she’s having a tantrum because they wouldn’t ever let her feel anything besides numbness and aloneness her entire life.
you guys keep forgetting this isn't a super hero show its a family drama show with super powers.
they still don’t like this show?
yo i cannot wait for y’all to start season 2, best season imo! to me the time travel logistics are pretty easy to understand the way that they present it, and a lot of characters (especially luther) get a lot more likable! strap in lmfaooo
I’m so happy can’t wait for season two reactions it’s the best season ngl 😭🙌🏽
I blame it all on Reginald because I get not being able to teach vanya but why neglect her and treat her like crap?
The apocalypse wasn’t vanya fault. It was Luther’s because he was the trigger. She wasn’t even herself when she did that stuff the power took over. I get the other sentiments but Allison could e stopped her but Luther interrupted and then Allison shooting the gun caused her to shoot all that power. She didn’t purposely try to end the world.
I mean, the trigger was definately Harold
I really dont understand why you guys hate Vanya so much
The hate is so dumb like they need to put themselves in Vanya's shoes before hating on her for the dumbest reasons
Because their men
@@alasainawhat does this have to do with gender? She's in pain but she's causing a lot of havoc and she's not all that innocent
@@Carter-te9prit's not dumb. It's understandable. I understand Vanya and I feel for her but the situation was kinda annoying 😂
hell yeah the white violin's entrance
You guys are overthinking the ending wayyy too much 💀
The best way I can interpret V doing the whole apocalypse thing...
It's like, imagine feeling your feelings for the first time. Happy, sad, resentment, anger, etc
Now, imagine doing all that while being someone who could potentially destroy the entire world with said emotions.
It's like when people get really angry and they say they acted terribly and it felt like they were watching themselves do whatever while actively not wanting to.
Cameron, Vanya's power is manipulating sound! She can take sound & convert it into energy, which she can then manipulate as she sees fit
Season 2 was fire
I can't wait for season 2!!! I think I enjoyed it even more
I gotta say, I’m _loving_ all these uploads. Thanks for keep us supplied with all the content.
LET'S GOOO SEASON 2 It's so much better I swear lol
I think they hate too much and get too confused for me to keep watching
Lmaoo that basically sums up the end discussion (I like watching them but sometimes they overthink and make things seem more complicated than they are)
i couldn't wait for this reaction i can't wait for them to get to season 2 and 3
5:53 that is the the siblings originally died. When he time-traveled to the apocalypse, Five found the house destroyed & his siblings buried in the rubble
In the original timeline Vanya & Harold went to the house, something happened to make Vanya upset (probably Harold egging her on) Luther attacked Harold & Vanya brought the house down on them, killing them all
3:05 Nathan, its not like the show's jumping the shark or anything, this is all the first season XD
Also, in a show with a 58 year old 13yo & the ghost of a child who had an eldritch monster in his tummy, you draw the line at aliens?? 😂😂
Awee season 2 is literally the best season. Can't wait to see yous lot react to it (((: ALSO LMAOO AGREED WITH THE HATE FOR LUTHER THIS SEASON
I totally agree with Nathan that Aidan is the best actor on the show with his portrayal of Five. But the whole cast is super impressive. You see them shine with each individual storyline. I only consider Aidan the best because his character is actually VERY difficult to portray yet he delivers the exasperation, sass, wisdom and cutting edge of a fifty plus old assassin flawlessly. I also think he really gets the balance of when to and when to not over-express. He shows considerable restraint in expressions and it helps to convey how affable he's become as a battle hardened agent.
Anyway, great reaction!!
There not trying to save the world right now
There trying to save them selfies
The Vanya hate is not going to go well with TUA fans…This is not the vibe. She was abused and manipulated her entire life. She’s a victim who doesn’t know how to handle her own emotions and suffers from lack of self worth. The second anyone found her special, she attached herself to him quickly, which MAKES SENSE?? She doesn’t know better. She’s been drugged her whole life and hasn’t been taught anything about emotional regulation or healthy relationships. Wtf is wrong with y’all?
Were not hating on Vanya but to each is own - cam
Calm down
Vanya did not end the World on her own. She was taking the 4 guys power with the light beams. It was the combined power that blew up the Moon. She just wanted to do the Concert. The beams and such were a reaction to her being attacked. So Vanya was not Evil. Just Pissed. You guys were Pissed, big time because the writers wrote a different show that you wanted to react to. If you had Vanya's powers........... We all would be dead too........... ha ha
Me: *sees it’s a 40 minute long episode* oh, it’s probably a long episode bc it’s a season finale.
The guys: *arguing over the final scene for half the video*
no we need vanya why would they kill vanya 😂
You guys need a mediator. Somehow you always end up misunderstanding each other and argue over semantics even though you technically agree with each other 😂.
Vanya s power is crazy, but I think if she knew that she had powers and trained to use them like the others, it would be much better. Though I still think she s one of the best characters.
When 5 said what he said I think he just meant they could end up getting stuck like he did
definitely worse than death if they get sent to the same time Five did
I’m so exited for this reaction y’all don’t even know!😭
It’s not vanyas fault, I get she’s too powerful but I don’t think it’s her, she doesn’t want to hurt anyone she just lost control and her power took over which is her father’s fault for giving up on her
The Vanya hate needs to be redirected but I think you guys would like Orphan Black though.
Season 2 was my favorite, I’m excited to see your reaction to it🤞
You're telling me number 5 was in the future for years trying to figure out how the world ended and he never once look up and thought "you know what I haven't seen in a while? THE MOON!"
I don't think Vanya blew up the moon the first time she ended the word. Remember when they found the bodies and they had Leonard's eye. Vanya killing him and other events happening changed how she originally ended the word.
if the moon wa destroyed in the original timeline, Five would of appeared in an ocean when he time travelled. 🤦♀🤦♀🤦♀🤦♀
@@rex8329 so in the original timeline she just created the shockwave big enough to kill her entire family and destroy most of the buildings in the world? what happened to her? I thought she brought the moon down & the moon killed her along with everyone else. If she killed everyone she would still be somewhere in the future.
@@Green-3c34y65vrbu the moon doesn't stop everything from being underwater, the tides wouldn't change THAT much.
@@951penalozahugo Well, in the clip we see the fire just consumes everything, just burns everything to a crisp. When Five went to the future it was still on fire but there was rubble remaining. Not everything just being incinerated.
I can’t wait for y’all to start season 2 and 3. While I love season 1, the other two are much easier to follow
we have made it all! I can’t wait for them to watch season 2:))))
Vanya wasn't a bitch when she was younger. She just wanted to be included, and all her dad did weas tell her how there was nothing special about her. And then her siblings didn't hangout with her. She wasn't used to dealing with her emotions. And she didn't know why she was taking the pills. The dad maybe made the cage he put her in the way he did because he didn't need to make it stranger, while she was in there she was Rumored to believe she was ordinary, and she was sedated anyway. They wouldn't all just not remember when they went back because that would then be their future, not past. So they should still have the memories (if we're going with the logic of Lost tv show) . they wanted to go back to include Vanya and "fix" her.
You guys need to watch the trailer
girl if y’all thought this season was crazy, you ain’t gonna believe next one lol
it’s all the Luthers, that boy that open up her powers and the dad fault. if the dad actually practice with her more with her powers when she got older wasnt so scared she could’ve been control that.
so maybe blaming vanya for what she’s been through. It’s not cool. like come on
So excited for season 2!!!
I can’t wait to see you guys react to season 2 ☺
Nah Nathan’s right that was just a tv thing not a real thing that was just something for the audience to just show the kids they’re not going back as kids. And 5 saying that they might be 50 yrs old in a 15 year old body was just an example of an joke again like Nathan said.
season 2 was the best and I loved season 3😭😭😭
If you watch the trailer, please record the reaction! I remember how cool I thought it was when it first came out.
They didn’t for ST season 4 volume 2 trailer and that trailer was fire so I wouldn’t hold your breath.
@@Chrissybrit43 ?
@@jamwasd they didn’t react to the stranger things season 4 volume 2 trailer and that was amazing so I doubt they’ll react to the season 2 trailer of UA.
@@Chrissybrit43 oh yeah
vanya isnt evil look at it from her point of view and what she went through her whole life the way she was treated by her entire family and the fact her emotions were suppreessed for so long made her do what she did she is not beyond saying lets take an example from another series darth vader everyone thought he was pure evil but in the end it look his son being tortured and pleaing to his father to help him for his father to turn away from the darkside so the fact that you say just let vanya die makes no sense i would hate to be your sibling
I agree with nathan if you jump thru time you dont change age you just jump back to the day in time that you time traveled to.. Its like when dean went back in time and met his dad dean was still dean but technically dean wasnt even born yet at the time he traveled to. So if they went back in time when they was kids they would just end up meeting the kid version of themselves instead of them turning back to kids themselves it wouldn't make sense. But the kid version of ben would be alive but it wouldnt be the same ben that they know that went thru everything as an adult bc he is dead he wasnt in the inner circle when they time traveled. And they just keep going back in time for the same events to keep happening anyways it seems inevitable unless u kill vanya as a kid and the adult version.
Commission assasins are just build different, Davion~
What do you mean you understand the father like putting the very obvious child abuse aside, NONE of this apocalypse stuff would have happened if this idiot would have included Vanya into the "family" and thaught her how to use her powers like!??
understand of why anyone would think her powers are too much for anyone but not the way he went about it..
Even tho this is true he eventually just gave up on him because his powers were really IMO controlled by his anger he’s still a shitty person none the less. 😭
@@JustUs So why does Vanya get the most hate? Luther locked her up instead of trying to help her. She just got her powers and is upset that she was made to be worthless her whole life. That's not fair to her.
@@scarletnach2952 Oh shit idk maybe bc she tried to fucking kill ther sister ???
The process of time travel give a flash of them being kids, it happens when Five travel back as well, he just isn't experience with travel to properly control the process so he end up changing from an old man to his pre-teen self. It wasn't suppose to happen.
Can't wait for s2 the best season 🙌
the thing is , if five didn´t rewid the time, vanya was finding out that leonard is a bad guy, cause she was finding the book and she would tell her family and her family would be on her side cause she didn´t hurt allison yet , so luther would not be mad at her and he wouldn´t look her up and the world would not end, o it´s all five´s fault in a way
Guys cut vanya some slack she went through a lot of trauma Luther is the one need to be hated on
None of the siblings deserve to be hated, that's the point
Luther was raised to be #1/the leader. He was just trying to keep his family safe the best way he knew how. It wasn't the right call, but he wasn't being malicious
Apocalypse was 100% Luther’s fault and I’ll always stand by that. On a side note, season 2 is so much better than season 1 and I can’t wait for you guys to watch it!
Y'all are so pressed at how powerful she is lol, stern angry voices, 3 out of 4 of your with your arms crossed, constantly talking about it not being able to let it go
Can’t wait for season 2😩😩
Reginald was in the _wrong_ if he'd trained Vanya to control her powers (and more importantly, not made her an outcast in her own family) none of this would have happened.
Tbh, Allison, Klaus & Ben could probably _also_ cause an apocalypse if they suffered a mental break.
season 2 is the BEST season
as somebody that couldn't watch the last season i recognize that there was problems with the writing in the first season that pointed to bigger problems later and even though i like next season if yall aint feeling it and want to drop it then yall shouldn't have to force it
Yessssssssir
Season 2 the best season
We getting to season 2 best season
next season goes hard
With the asteroid talk at the end, I’d love to see you guys react to Don’t Look Up if you guys do another movie reaction.
the comments make me not wanna watch because vanya was never the villain, i thought that was obvious
Y’all don’t be paying attention lol
Nathan being right about ben coming back
I don't disagree that vanya should die , but she would have been able to control her powers if she wasn't emotionally abused by Hargreaves ,or knew the truth , she hasn't had time to learn, imagine becoming a super sayian out of nowhere , Hargreaves tried to teach her to control it then gave up , but it would've worked if he just kept trying or treated her like a daughter instead of treating all the kids like tiny homelanders
This show makes you hate every character in the best ways
I know it was meant to be seen as romantic, but it was inappropriate and creepy that Luther was confessing his love to someone while speaking on behalf for them to their child. Like the dissonance of him telling a little girl how much her mother loves her while those words are _also_ meant to portray how much he romantically loves the mother.
Nah
I love your reactions so much, but for this show you are really overthinking right now. I feel like you didn't actually paid attention at all. 💙
Come on, you guys would not kill your sibling if they came at you with receipts about something that happened during your childhoods.
You'd try to talk it through with them. Vanya is their _sister_ they don't _want_ to kill her
Luther seriously pissed me off in season 1 how are you going to be mad about being sent to the moon but, lock your sister up and not want to take her out like BFFR! He basically is doing the same thing Reggie did bc we truly don't know how long he would've kept her there🙄. It's also basically his fault, Leo's fault, and Reggie's fault but mainly it's Luther's bc she literally said she couldn't breathe in there so i can understand why she would be angry and want to kill them bc that was traumatic for her as a child. Meanwhile, Luther just spent some time on the moon he's such a big baby like I don't understand! I guess what I'm saying is yall needa leave Vanya alone bc its not her fault at all its Luther's he's who yall should be mad at.
Yesssss s2!!!
vanya is their sister. they love her even if they dont show it. at the end of the day you do everything to save your sister and try everything. is that difficult to understand?
Klaus is the nost op character and the wisest if the listen to him the world be better off
Yep
aiden(five) is literally a nick kid