This station used to only operate on weekdays too until 2015 (along with the Fulton St stop) when it switched to full time service for the J. Hence why the station looks a little cleaner than usual for stations of its age and design.
I’m a lifelong New Yorker and I have always been fascinated by the subway system. I have traveled virtually every line from end to end, but my favorite thing about the system is discovering the lesser known, or utilized subway stations.
There was talk years ago of having an underground transfer tunnel from Broad Street to the IRT lines, but instead, a non-transfer walkway between the Lex. Avenue lines and the Broad Street that was abandoned was re-opened. That in-station transfer point would ease the transfer points or Fulton and Chambers Streets and help out so many riders.
The fact that the tracks extend past the station and still aren't blocked off or demolished makes it a lot more interesting, because it can be easily accessed+it could lead to in interesting future
It’s really just kinda awkward having this line as the terminus for the J/Z line. If anything, either one of them should be extended along the pre-2010 M rush hour route to Bay Parkway, via 4th Avenue local with the R and West End with the D. IMO that would most likely be for the J. For the Z, it would have to run along a brand new tunnel under the East River, stopping at Court Street - Atlantic Avenue, and then diverge on to Bergen Street, meeting up with the F and G, then run local with the G while the F handles the express all times except on late nights along the Culver line down to Church Avenue, where it’ll terminate with the G, however during rush hours it’ll run with the F to Kings Highway. During late nights, the Z will operate as a shuttle between Chambers Street and Hoyt-Schermerhorn Streets, using the abandoned platforms.
The iusse with that is nobody from 4th, Bay Ridge or West End wants to go to the Nassua St line. Like when the M was running to Brooklyn, even with the increased frequencies it provided....R trains still ended up packed while M remained empty, since everyone needed to into midtown , and the M route didn't go anywhere close to there.
@@robotx9285 Some people in Bay Ridge, Brooklyn want the R Train to be split (which the MTA is not even considering) because the people over there do not want to be dealing with R Trains coming from QBL (Queens Blvd Line). So the MTA can have the Brooklyn portion of the R Train run from 95th Street, Brooklyn to Essex St. in Manhattan via Nassau Street to shut these people up.
I think this was discussed in the past but some complaints were probably that the line would become too long time wise and there are already too many lines that take a long time to complete from terminal to terminal from an operational perspective. Another problem is that the demand for Nassau Street from 4th Ave is low and previous data from the M when it used to go to Bay Parkway shows that. Even during peak hours, sometimes you can get a pretty sparse train that aren't too packed compared to the R trains which were completely packed. The 6th Ave M is a much more successful line than the Nassau M was during the last few decades of service when it comes to ridership. It would probably be much more useful to extend the W train out to Brooklyn outside of the few schedule trips to/from 86 St and Kings Highway during rush hour since it would help with the load of the R and most of the riders on 4th Ave Brooklyn lines prefer the 6th Ave and Broadway connection more compared to the Nassau St connection when it was there for all those years.
@@MrMam-yo7qp Simple, get rid of the Z train, because the skip stop service is a waste of time, and is what's killing the frequency on the current J service (It's why they killed the 9 line)
Nice video. There is also something else after Broad St south. There are tail tracks for the J and Z there. Those tracks are mainly there for J and Z trains to turn around from the south bound section to the northbound section.
Work trains and ENY to CIY transfers still use the Nassau Cut. A few months back M trains were rerouted to Lawrence St via Broadway from Queens Plaza due to issues along 6th Ave. Trains were discharged at Lawrence and Atlantic and turned back light or went back in service at Chambers or Essex to Metropolitan via the Nassau cut.
Prior the "Brown M-train", there was the 1970's "Blue M-Train" that served as the Brighton Line and Nassau Street local route weekday normal hours. Then the QJ trains served as today's basic J trains with Broad Street and 168th Street-Jamaica as its terminals. Prior to the "Blue M-train" it was the QJ that served as the Broad Street and Nassau Street local to/from Brighton Beach, and then later from Coney Island. The "Blue M-train" replaced the QJ trains, and during the 19-20 years of Manhattan Bridge reconstruction work - the "Brown M-train" replaced the "Blue M-train" - first as an express route along 4th Avenue, then as a local route. Due to the lack of a sufficient amount of riders, the "Brown M-train" was canceled in 2010, and replaced by the current "Orange M-train", along with the cancelation of the "V-train route." For many riders from Brooklyn and Queens - direct trips to the Mid-Manhattan job centers is very important, and the current "Orange M-train" serves that need. Riders in southern Brooklyn have a number of transfer points to lines that serve the financial district and World Trade Center area, as well as lines that have quicker direct trips to and from Mid Manhattan job centers.
I love Broad St as a terminal. There's nobody to hold you ur train when the starting lights come on. Canal and Essex are the busiest of the Nassau Line.
Goodnight sir and that was a great video 📹 of Board street Station 🚉 on the J/Z trains lines. I had heard about the Nassau Street Loop. But I didn't know where it was located at. Thanks for the info sir.
3:38 Flatbush Av on the 2 and 5 used to be like this. And I think once you came downstairs onto the platform you could not cross over. Both sides used separate entries and turn styles.
There is an above the platforms cross-over mezzanine level with a station booth, Metro-Card machines, and turnstiles. So yes there is a way to transfer from one platform to the other.
Goodmorning sir. And thanks for fhe histroy lesson about the Board street Station witch is not to far from Wall street. This station use to ser the brown M at one time when use to go back to Downtown Bk. There's exit that leads you to wall st on Boad st. .
Again the Z line can fill the roll for the M line. Using the flying junction to Court Street with the R line and assist either the Sea Beach or the Bay Ridge route.. Same thing with the C line why can’t they extend the line to Lefferts Blvd, making that the terminal stop. Rather than having the A line going to three different terminals.
Prior to the construction of the current dual track single platform South Ferry subway station for the #1 line, the South Ferry Loop station was also a "lonely terminal" at the southern tip of Manhattan. Of course the transfer to and from the Staten Island Ferry doesn't count, well because it is a Ferry, and not a subway train route. Ha! Ha!
You should contact the author of the “Tracks of the New York Subway” book, Peter Dougherty, to see if you can use his track illustrations for your videos.
One platform is designated as "in-coming" and the other is designated as the "out going" Queens and Brooklyn platform. There are clear signs. Plus there's an above the platforms mezzanine level allowing riders to transfer to the other side.
@@durece100 Broad St is the last stop , and first stop of a particular line, but the station itself is not a terminal station, because the tracks lead to multiple stations in Brooklyn, all the way to Coney Island.
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This station used to only operate on weekdays too until 2015 (along with the Fulton St stop) when it switched to full time service for the J. Hence why the station looks a little cleaner than usual for stations of its age and design.
The brown m train used to terminate here during weekends and during late nights to m broadway as a shuttle
I’m a lifelong New Yorker and I have always been fascinated by the subway system. I have traveled virtually every line from end to end, but my favorite thing about the system is discovering the lesser known, or utilized subway stations.
There was talk years ago of having an underground transfer tunnel from Broad Street to the IRT lines, but instead, a non-transfer walkway between the Lex. Avenue lines and the Broad Street that was abandoned was re-opened. That in-station transfer point would ease the transfer points or Fulton and Chambers Streets and help out so many riders.
The fact that the tracks extend past the station and still aren't blocked off or demolished makes it a lot more interesting, because it can be easily accessed+it could lead to in interesting future
Now that I remember, yeah I didn't realize how lonely Broad St is.
It’s really just kinda awkward having this line as the terminus for the J/Z line. If anything, either one of them should be extended along the pre-2010 M rush hour route to Bay Parkway, via 4th Avenue local with the R and West End with the D. IMO that would most likely be for the J.
For the Z, it would have to run along a brand new tunnel under the East River, stopping at Court Street - Atlantic Avenue, and then diverge on to Bergen Street, meeting up with the F and G, then run local with the G while the F handles the express all times except on late nights along the Culver line down to Church Avenue, where it’ll terminate with the G, however during rush hours it’ll run with the F to Kings Highway. During late nights, the Z will operate as a shuttle between Chambers Street and Hoyt-Schermerhorn Streets, using the abandoned platforms.
The iusse with that is nobody from 4th, Bay Ridge or West End wants to go to the Nassua St line. Like when the M was running to Brooklyn, even with the increased frequencies it provided....R trains still ended up packed while M remained empty, since everyone needed to into midtown , and the M route didn't go anywhere close to there.
@@robotx9285 Some people in Bay Ridge, Brooklyn want the R Train to be split (which the MTA is not even considering) because the people over there do not want to be dealing with R Trains coming from QBL (Queens Blvd Line). So the MTA can have the Brooklyn portion of the R Train run from 95th Street, Brooklyn to Essex St. in Manhattan via Nassau Street to shut these people up.
During rush hour, the J should be extended to Bay Ridge as it would increase local service along 4th Ave in Brooklyn
The J already has terrible frequencies
I don’t think it’d be able to handle going to bay ridge
It should go there full time period
I’m curious if there’s even sufficient capacity in the montague st tunnel
I think this was discussed in the past but some complaints were probably that the line would become too long time wise and there are already too many lines that take a long time to complete from terminal to terminal from an operational perspective. Another problem is that the demand for Nassau Street from 4th Ave is low and previous data from the M when it used to go to Bay Parkway shows that. Even during peak hours, sometimes you can get a pretty sparse train that aren't too packed compared to the R trains which were completely packed. The 6th Ave M is a much more successful line than the Nassau M was during the last few decades of service when it comes to ridership.
It would probably be much more useful to extend the W train out to Brooklyn outside of the few schedule trips to/from 86 St and Kings Highway during rush hour since it would help with the load of the R and most of the riders on 4th Ave Brooklyn lines prefer the 6th Ave and Broadway connection more compared to the Nassau St connection when it was there for all those years.
@@MrMam-yo7qp Simple, get rid of the Z train, because the skip stop service is a waste of time, and is what's killing the frequency on the current J service (It's why they killed the 9 line)
Nice video. There is also something else after Broad St south. There are tail tracks for the J and Z there. Those tracks are mainly there for J and Z trains to turn around from the south bound section to the northbound section.
Work trains and ENY to CIY transfers still use the Nassau Cut. A few months back M trains were rerouted to Lawrence St via Broadway from Queens Plaza due to issues along 6th Ave. Trains were discharged at Lawrence and Atlantic and turned back light or went back in service at Chambers or Essex to Metropolitan via the Nassau cut.
The Loop would be beneficial for rush hour, special events and weekend maintenance.
You forget the J and Z have a connection to the 4 and 5 at Broad street it’s a paid transfer tho
Prior the "Brown M-train", there was the 1970's "Blue M-Train" that served as the Brighton Line and Nassau Street local route weekday normal hours. Then the QJ trains served as today's basic J trains with Broad Street and 168th Street-Jamaica as its terminals. Prior to the "Blue M-train" it was the QJ that served as the Broad Street and Nassau Street local to/from Brighton Beach, and then later from Coney Island. The "Blue M-train" replaced the QJ trains, and during the 19-20 years of Manhattan Bridge reconstruction work - the "Brown M-train" replaced the "Blue M-train" - first as an express route along 4th Avenue, then as a local route. Due to the lack of a sufficient amount of riders, the "Brown M-train" was canceled in 2010, and replaced by the current "Orange M-train", along with the cancelation of the "V-train route." For many riders from Brooklyn and Queens - direct trips to the Mid-Manhattan job centers is very important, and the current "Orange M-train" serves that need. Riders in southern Brooklyn have a number of transfer points to lines that serve the financial district and World Trade Center area, as well as lines that have quicker direct trips to and from Mid Manhattan job centers.
Bro I just want to say that your channel is absolutely incredible
I love Broad St as a terminal. There's nobody to hold you ur train when the starting lights come on. Canal and Essex are the busiest of the Nassau Line.
Goodnight sir and that was a great video 📹 of Board street Station 🚉 on the J/Z trains lines. I had heard about the Nassau Street Loop. But I didn't know where it was located at. Thanks for the info sir.
3:38 Flatbush Av on the 2 and 5 used to be like this.
And I think once you came downstairs onto the platform you could not cross over. Both sides used separate entries and turn styles.
There is an above the platforms cross-over mezzanine level with a station booth, Metro-Card machines, and turnstiles. So yes there is a way to transfer from one platform to the other.
Goodmorning sir. And thanks for fhe histroy lesson about the Board street Station witch is not to far from Wall street. This station use to ser the brown M at one time when use to go back to Downtown Bk. There's exit that leads you to wall st on Boad st. .
Again the Z line can fill the roll for the M line. Using the flying junction to Court Street with the R line and assist either the Sea Beach or the Bay Ridge route..
Same thing with the C line why can’t they extend the line to Lefferts Blvd, making that the terminal stop. Rather than having the A line going to three different terminals.
I want free transfers for every closely spaced station!
Hey what about the brown m RIP
Hola New York
Prior to the construction of the current dual track single platform South Ferry subway station for the #1 line, the South Ferry Loop station was also a "lonely terminal" at the southern tip of Manhattan. Of course the transfer to and from the Staten Island Ferry doesn't count, well because it is a Ferry, and not a subway train route. Ha! Ha!
Nice Theory, I hope you make it to 4k subs
I was literally there 45 min ago
You should contact the author of the “Tracks of the New York Subway” book, Peter Dougherty, to see if you can use his track illustrations for your videos.
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Can you go to the south avenue track it located in west shore plaza in Staten island take the s46 there
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Please do a video about the potential existence of the 76th Street Station.
There’s video on that already. I don’t remember if he or someone else did it. But it’s there
Federal Hall is not the same building......
I don't know why they put that sign above the statue, don't nobody want to see that.
How do you know which side platform the next train is going to depart from?
Probably tells you upstairs
One platform is designated as "in-coming" and the other is designated as the "out going" Queens and Brooklyn platform. There are clear signs. Plus there's an above the platforms mezzanine level allowing riders to transfer to the other side.
Broad St is not a real terminal, the tracks can continue into Brooklyn, duh
It is a terminal 💀☠️
Yes it is. Broad st is a terminal station.
@@durece100 Broad St is the last stop , and first stop of a particular line, but the station itself is not a terminal station, because the tracks lead to multiple stations in Brooklyn, all the way to Coney Island.
@@cyclopsvision6370 You're just arguing semantics here.