How E-Bike Motors Are Developed & Produced | Inside The TQ Factory!
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- Опубликовано: 24 сен 2022
- Steve Jones has travelled to the TQ group RnD facility to take a look at what it takes to develop and deliver world-leading e-mountain bike motor systems! Steve takes an in-depth look at the new HPR50 EMTB motor and explores its development story from concept, through to prototyping, testing, engineering, designs and beyond to shine a light on what it takes to bring a new EMTB motor to market!
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I ride exclusively Bosch, but I'm very interested in this technology and take my hat off to TQ. I am a lazy sod tho and like my higher power motors 😂
We have to truly understand to appreciate the amount of work it took to get there 🙌 🙏
Had my Trek Fuel EX e 9.5 for a few weeks, its truly amazing. The mix of weight and power is perfect!
I picked up my fuel exe two days ago and this motor is amazing! The whole bike is very impressive. It is exactly what I’ve been wanting. It’s an ebike that feels like a real mountain bike but helps me go further and faster than I could while still managing slow technical climbs without the bike ever jumping forward or doing anything I don’t want. It’s great!
I’ve just picked one up two weeks ago this is my first e-bike and it’s blown me away how good it is but interested to find out how you are getting on 10 months later, any issues ?
@@davefreeman9347 it’s still all good for me. I haven’t been riding a whole lot lately, but I still get out some. The only issues I’ve had are squeaks and creaks. Some deep cleaning and light lubrication take care of those. I think you get that with most full suspension bikes. Motor still works flawlessly and I really like having the little integrated display. Hope you continue enjoying yours!
The “genius” guy is my hero. That is how my brain works day/night. I’m sure there are many others who are “tuned-in” to cosmic consciousness and see the future of MTB products before they ever come out. The guys that can make it happen and actually turn inspiration into tangible/usable products are my heros. Much respect & admiration. And kudos to Steve and the crew for putting together such an awesome & informative video. Thank you.🙏👍😉
What is "cosmic consciousness" supposed to mean?
@@leocurious9919 Autism
this motor is amazing - have it in my fuel exe. Amazing bike and definitely a move in the right direction for ebike tech!
I was watching the section about the pinion torque ring with a sense of familiarity then it hit me I have seen this before, I spent 40 odd years in the hydraulics industry and the mechanical motion of the TQ motor is very similar to low speed hi torque hydraulic motors. I am not taking away from the incredible development work done by TQ to refine this system but as they say there is nothing new under the sun. Great video Steve.
Fantastic tech, truly appreciated my time at TQ and experiencing the most amazing e-bike motors. Congratulations to TQ and Trek, two of my favorite companies.
What a great vlog! Thanks 😊 Very informative. Looking forward to the next instalment 🎉
The TQ motors are without equal. My old Haibike Flyon was bulletproof. I really hope we see this new motor appear in other bikes soon. Would love to see one in a Mondraker or Yeti.
Very interesting seeing harmonic gearing applied in this way, though it's certainly not a new idea!
Interesting how some companies kinda blend into the background till someone realizes their parts are in a lot of things.
Great video, thanks team
Easy to be impressed with the technology inside the motor and the factory ,what is missing is the second face of the coin.
Reliability of the motor in the real world face to submitted efforts and environment elements such as dust,water ,hot cold ...
And the most important : how is the policy and actiitude and stance from the brand when it comes to repairs and maintenance outside warranty ,and even during warranty.Will they be honest in facing the problems and assuming them ? Will they offer parts and repairs outside warranty and even sell them to the market and repair shops giving them tech support ?
If so they are welcome and be a trust partner with the customers, making a diference from some competitors and we can buy TQ with confidence with no fear from to be defrauded and loss.
If they close theirs units to secret and no parts /repairs like some ,they can stay at virtual dimension with their top products and we can see them in holograms how they are beatiful.
Great video today really interesting. Can’t wait for when the motor and gearbox become readily available along with belt drive.
I wish more motors and frames were more compatible with each other
This would help to choose best for you from many
yup, some sort of universal mount for the motor would be a good start
Very interesting video, thank you 👍🏻
Glad you enjoyed it! It was so interesting to take a look around the TQ factory!
Very fascinating tech
Riding the TQ 120s on a Haibike Nduro 10, for 4000km now, gotta say i enjoyed as much the behind the scene of their factory.
You guys need to interview the Bearing Man on motor rebuilds and what he has seen as far as what causes motors to go bad. Should be a very interesting video. Thanks
Would be cool to know how this motor connect with compatible Garmin unit and which data are recorded in the file and show on Garmin Connect, would be cool to have rider power for training perspective
I'd be interested to see that patent.
I know there was open discussions in the DIY community on harmonic devices way back, so I don't think it's novel idea.
Good to see a commercial OEM getting into the space though!
And that production lines very nice!
most robotic arms use harmonic reducers so idk
It's the pin ring drive that has the patent, not the harmonic part
Why is my flyon TQ motor on my haibike snatching on full power 🤔
Assuming that's a prototype Fuel ex e at the end?
Looks sweet in white with black components!
It would be very interesting to know motor cost, servicing costs and IF spare parts are available.
Nowadays these hi tech brands operate as monopoly businesses so once you buy one of their product, you're stuck all your life with them and your bank loans because they force you to buy the entire new motor instead of providing spare parts!
How they were they able to gain a patent for the concept that was already known long time ago as the cycloidal drive transmission?
Can't wait to ride one has anyone heard anything about demo rides?
Interesting tour, but I have still not found any information about what voltage the system uses. It says something like 50 V on the battery, but is it a 48 V motor and in that case why hasn't this been communicated (as an advantage)? I mean better range, smaller size, lower weight, less voltage drop issues e t c are clear advantages in my book.
batteries dont always have the same voltage. so a difference of 2v isnt that much.
@@SimonBauer7 Maybe I was unclear, I mean if it is a 36V or a 48V motor system. I know that battery voltage varies somewhat.
dodged the insane climb with si...good one mate (ofcourse you already did that)
Steve managed to get out of that one some how! 😅
Very interesting with all the Technology what about hearing of Ebikes exploding
Got to be better than a power steering motor?! Right specialized?!!!
Time will tell if it turns out to be more reliable.
Exactly. DUs are nothing w/o reliability and durability
Is the motor and system UL 2849 approved?????
this harmonic pin ring looks like a RV reducer
I was expecting to learn more but instead I felt like I was watching an infomercial.
Very efficient these lot 😅
My question is why the lab coat?
Wo Elektrogeräte hergestellt werden, muss man ESD Klamotte anziehen
Why is no one talking about a Trek Slash with a TQ motor?Trek Slash-e
⚡🤟👍 yes possibly with a TQ HPR85
So what was the reason the highly praised 'Flyon'-TQ-System of the Haibikes only lasted, was it 3ys?, then, without getting any questions answered by Haibike/Winora or ANYone, was kicked completely off the product line and being replaced by Panasonic and Bosch. Strange, for such advanced space-age technology ... :)
We will probably never know. Human relationships play a big role in business deals, so maybe somebody at TQ said something rude to a Haibike person.
Haibike had many problems on many fronts. From manufacturing to the quality of the frames. Maybe the Flyon Projet wasn't profitable enough and they could make more money by just using the standard motors and displays.
It could hardly have been due to the TQ engine. This motor has been used by M1 for almost 10 years. A German premium bicycle manufacturer. For M1, the TQ 120 has been the primary engine, and part of the overall M1 experience. This would not have been the case for such a long period of time if the TQ engine wasn't good. With bikes over €10,000, you don't forgive many mistakes as a customer.
I have a Trek EXe 9.7.....the TQ motor is amazing and smooth. Quietest motor on earth and the best ebike you can buy. The TQ display on the other hand is junk, the biggest POS ive seen. How can a conpany like TQ engineer a motor so awesome and then come yp with a display/control unit as junk as what comes on the EXe. It should be 100% water proof on a mountain bike but no, if your sweat falls on it the thing shorts out and stops working. Take this back to the drawing board please!!!
I think Bosch is better still
Looks like a washing machine motor.
Dirt cheap and then a substantial retail markup makes me absolutely sick to my stomach
5:26 - this is NOT how you should work on a computer :D
All european motors are limited by regulations so... Bafang wins 😎
“Bikers fellings” Key Word.. bosch and shimano they forgot about that, going up and even worse going down.....terrible sounds. Bosch y Shimano se olvidaron de eso, subiendo y aun peor bajando.....terribles sonidos….
I'll take a little noise over a blown motor
Well the space age started in 1957 so these are "Space age" then ... duh
Theory vs praxis: this vid vs the vids of failed (space-age) TQs and pissed customers on YT ...
There's a time and place to wear shorts, this ain't it
it looked like he had a long haired twin in the video
That's the way the bike industry rolls.
9 grand for an e-bike? That’s double the price of my next door neighbours used Nissan leaf. I think I’ll stick to Chinese made bikes.
ebikes are a scam, pathetic
Until they have a 750 watt nominal motor for the US market ill stick with my Bafang Ultra thanks.