*** Important UPDATE: - this bug was fixed in the Mac OS Big Sur 11.4 software update. This issue was caused by a data reporting error which overestimated ssd usage.
@charlesmercs Actually, if you installed the update, all the extra, misreported memory swaps that were reported prior are removed. You can compare the before and after by running an ssd test on 11.3 and comparing to a test done on 11.4. Therefore, it is not “permanent” nor was there ever actually terabytes worth of data being written on the ssd to begin with. Anyone who saw massive amounts of data being written before will see the correct reporting now with greatly reduced numbers.
5 years is a huge lifespan already lmao this isn’t 2010 we’re getting new hardware dependant technologies every year people need to stop being cheap asses
@@limbsmith That’s a big load of BS! Still have my Macbook Pro 2012, and it works perfectly! I am however trading it in and switching to the M1 Macbook Air, due to the weight difference and software updates (2012 Macbooks are no longer capable of getting MacOS updates)
Just bought one and man that battery life and thermal processing is on point. I produce on Fl studio and ableton live and have seen nothing but great results
They said something similar about SSDs when they first came out, and I was told my 2012 MacBook Air SSD would eventually crap out in a few years the more often data was over written. It’s still working perfectly fine.
I've had small files disappear or get corrupted on my 2 year old Samsung NVME on Windows, you loose bits over time, it's not noticeable if u have significant free space, but I'm always at 80-90%. I bet it happens less on less dense drives like sata ssds. But still, I need to back up everything on mechanical drives.
I have a 2011 MacBook Air, and the SSD DID crap out, about 4 years ago. And I wasn't hitting it with tons of data. Got it replaced, and it's been fine since then, but I'm looking to replace the machine since Apple announced it will no longer support the hardware and I haven't been able to update the OS for a few years now. My advice -- backup, backup, backup!
“I do what any person with a brain does, ignore headlines, read the article, do online research, etc” hahaha I guess we have half of the population without brains. That explains a lot.
Apple's iPhones have processors from 4-5 years ago that STILL run current iOS pretty decently considering its age and lack of ram. Be real here ppl just don't wanna admit apple had just cemented itself as the King of silicon.
It’s not the processor that wears out. It’s the on board memory that may wear out prematurely according to some. Constant writing to the memory wears out the individual cells that comprise the drive. The problem here is that Apple will not confirm or deny. Most people don’t demand that kind of usage from their storage. Most people usually upgrade their machines more frequently than every 5 years. I say it’s a non-problem.
If my M1 last at least 10 years, I think I got my money’s worth. However, I prefer they last longer, as I always donate my older PCs and Macs when I upgrade. 👍👍👍
like literally why would you theoretically need a 10 year old pc considering that just 7 years ago making 720p vids was the quality standard and now it’s 1440p lmao no 7 year old pc would be able to edit 1440p vids comfortably
@@N0purpose im a gs agent at best buy. A woman came in asking what computer I would recommend I mentioned to her that the m1 is a good option. Price, power & battery life. She asked how long it would last her. I said 5 at least with os support and like 7 if she takes care of it. She hit me with I own a 20 year old laptop thats from Dell is there any computer like that? Then she proceeded to tell me "oh yeah the 20 year old laptop is getting slow now"🤣 trust me people keep their laptops for long as hell.
A 13" MacBook Pro from 2009 here - used as my main computer at home, bought in November or December 2009, so now 11.25 years old! I don't have to earn my money with this Mac though. To be fair, I'm looking for a new Mac since 2019. So if I had been a little faster with deciding, the MacBook Pro would have been replaced right before it hit ten years of age. I'm excited for the M1 or M1X iMacs. Looks like these will be released at the end of this year, though I hope it will happen earlier.
As a 12-years Windows user and an Apple hater, I have huge respect to Apple for this. I just ordered a MBA, expecting to be shipped in 2 weeks. Nvidia and Intel both can dig their own graves now.
Calm voice, articulate, and well thought out. First video I’ve seen from you but I really hope this channel grows, you have potential. Just subscribed!
Everyone please support the "Let's get Right to Repair passed!" gofundme from Louis Rossmann, even if you just share it and let people know about the issue.This could go a long way in forcing apple to make stuff repairable again.
Infact allowing repairability on m1 is defeating the purpose of an SOC architecture. Its like asking qualcomm to allow you to upgrade the storage and ram on the snapdragon processor. The other repairability i agree with but not anything related to the chip and storage.
An ssd replacement on m1 macs is insanely stupid...you will have to get inside the chip to do that...which is almost impossible to do by any other tech repair person. And as mentioned...ssd swapping is a software part of it and it can be easily improved by apple any day....its only cause its not such a huge prob that apple is not doing anything.
@@angrytechaddict7803 the efficiency and performance will be compromised if they find a qay to do it....the same way phone storage cant be increased even laptop storage cant be....and for more storage these days its more cheaper to pay for cloud storage than paying extra for more storage when u are purchasing
In 4 years, people will figure out how to swap out a soldered on SSD. I'm waiting for an used M1 when it drops below $600. Last week an used M1 for $650 on slickdeal, we're getting there.
Not entirely sure about this, I have the M1 MBP 16gb ram 1tb, And I have been testing this to see how much memory swap was happening. To give you a perspective, My daly use of this computer is as follows: I use safari for emails, sometimes Chrome, I play some intense Intel games, I edit with Final Cut Pro, I use Luminar AI (intel version still) I do restart my computer about once a week. So far the maximum memory swap I have seen in a week is 7GB, So this would take decades to kill the SSD from Swap memory. I can understand that this might be a bit more of an issue with the 8gb ram models, but I don't think it would be this big of a difference. I used to do the same work on a 2017 15" MBP with 16gb or ram as well and I would get an average of 50gb a week of swap. From 2017 to now my ssd is at 97%. Hope this helps.
Between AMD & Apple, Intel’s definitely feeling the heat. Hilarious if they end up leaning on GPUs as a lifeline due to the current situation with AMD & NVidia.
@@justcrap3703 I have ipadpro. Yeh like your username says..its crap I SMELL" " I must defend apple because I dont have anything else in my life" You re smelling wrong😎
Ssd degradation is exponential. As your Ssd gets filled up. Imagine this scenerio. 60% of storage is used. The rest 40% of the Ssd will mainly be write and rewrite. That's why most laptops have a software to notify you to have less than 80% storage used to increase the lifespan. Look up linus video on Ssd.
No, when it reaches 100% the bad cells start failing and you get data loss, while your swap files continue destroying the remaining cells at an accelerated rate, because your useable cell counts decrease after each nand cell failure. It's a cascading accelerating domino effect.
Finally someone that actually understands how SSDs work. Figures you only had 5 likes. There is also a pretty high failure rate in SSDs from the electronics inside failing. Faulty solder joints, low quality components and heat accelerate the failure of an SSD, which is fairly common. Not allowing users to replace components is just shady.
Yeah we can, but some of us would like to repurpose our old kit to sell, donate, pass on to younger kids, use as a spare, etc... Kinda sux you have to throw out a perfectly good machine just because you can't change the ssd and/or upgrade ram.
Cool video and good information! I actually use two macs that are 10 years old! One iMac for work and one Macbook Pro at home (which is also used for work). Apple stopped allowing OS updates some 3 years ago (so 7 years of full support), but the machines still work really well! Using After Effects, Illustrator, Photoshop, Lightroom and all of that. But honestly, using these computers for 6 more years is something i can't fathom xD
I just want to add something. One technique used by SSD controllers to extend the life span of devices is to spread the writes on differents cells, which means the impact of dead cells will be exponential. For example, if you have 50% of your cells dead it will take less than half of the time to kill the remaining 50%. This is the reason the expected lifespan of SSD increases with the size of it.
@@iluvmusicqwe Most Apple devices are kinda known to last tho.. People are still using 2012 macbook's and old iphones are still usable today, which can''t really be said for the competition.
The old Unibody laptops, are actually really good and if you upgraded the parts to its highest performance, then i would say yes easily you can use it from 2011- 2026. If its in good condition - of course. I used mine for 10 yrs as my daily machine. 2011-2021.
I mean... listen. No offense, but you probably just have a high tolerance for some things that others really don't. I agree though. My motto is "buy it nice, or buy it twice". If you buy a capable computer or laptop at the time, if you did your research, it should last you around 8 years.
I believe people are also forgetting that these M1 Macs are intended for entry-level usage cases as well. Most tech channels have focused on 4K video editing and other resource heavy use cases. Just a couple months ago such a notion for a MacBook Air was absurd if not laughable. Although these machines are capable, that isn’t quite their intended use case. Consider how one would never attempt to cut down a tree with a kitchen knife even if the knife was “sharp enough” to do so. Pros should really wait for the higher end devices that are catered to their needs.
Thank you so much Dayo for this great information. I am a professional librarian, and I really appreciate your "instinct" to do due diligence research before accepting the hype and the media claims. You have now convinced me to go ahead and get the M1 mini, as I am just coming from a late 2012 Mini that lasted for 9-10 years (which, in my opinion, is a LONG time for a computer to do well, and it is still not doing so badly!). If people think their computers should last until 2037 as their main computer, they should just go buy a typewriter, because they are the wrong customer for the product, and not the other way around. Again, thanks. And I love how when you make a pronunciation error, or something like that, you leave it in and turn it into a joke - you are in on the joke, and I love people like that. THANK YOU!
Research only takes a couple of minutes. Better to come up with your own judgement than to blindly follow others. Also, I love attempting to use big words than googling it seconds after to see if I used it correctly. YOUR WELCOME!
Funny how you complain about the headlines of those articles, but then use a similar clickbait title for your video 😂 (And yes it worked on me, I clicked 🙄)
I used a 2015 iMac throughout my graphics class last year and this year and it worked great. I highly doubt that Apple will let their computers die in 2 to 5 years as they support their Macs years after release.
Bought my MacBook Air M1 3 weeks ago. I've been a loyal Acer user for years. Why did I switch to Mac? Because of good feedback from long time Mac users.
Apple has been doing memory swap for a LOOOOOONG time. My laptop has been swapping to its SSD for ages. SSD is still fine and going strong. Laptop is a decade old and SSD is almost that old.
It's down to what your workload is. If you're doing heavy-duty video editing and using a limited amount of ram, then you're just asking for trouble. Your use of swap memory will be noticeably higher on an 8GB configuration vs a 16GB configuration. Same wear and tear will also occur on x86 macs.
I feel like youtubers and the performance of the m1 line is at charge too. Because when ppl hear : you can do 4K video editing with a 8g ram MacBook Air, they don’t hear “the machine is so incredible that it can handle it” they hear “it’s all you need”. And if you get a 8g ram machine for application where 32go is recommanded, well no surprise it’s gonna swap a lot...
Oh man the level of quality in this video is great. Such a calm, professional presenting personality that makes it so easy to digest and reflect. I do have to question though, is the desk really high or are you sitting really low? 🤔
All of your math is assuming the percentage of wear is on a linear curve, ie 1% over a period of time consistently until it goes from 100% to 0%. Most definitely not how it works in the real world.
@@DayoAworunse You are terribly misinformed... Pls learn how ssd write works.. It never goes linear way ... And stop fanboying and defending that greedy apple for locking storage device
@@DayoAworunse That's the problem you assumed and said to the public... That won't be that much of a thing to worry about I don't know about your area... But most people bought 256 GB version cause others are way expensive (another rip off by apple) And that 256 GB has way less shorter write endurance than 1 tb version ..at most (80-100 TB) endurance If the writing keeps up at this rate.... It wont last more than 2+ years at best case for 256 GB.... Even less than that... It wouldn't have been a issue if only apple didn't loc the upgrade paths to storage
@@asdbef3667 I still don’t disagree with what you’re saying. I too have 256GB and wouldn’t recommend 1TB just because external storages are much cheaper and offer similar read/write speeds. This affects a small portion of people while the other articles and saying this will affect almost everyone. This has even been stated by people who originally came out with this issue.
I've just canceled my order of a Macmini 16gb of ram, and 512gb of hard drive from B&H until further updates especially when I don't really need one now.
@@mikey9836 He meant SSD. Many people still reflexively write, "hard drive" when they mean "non-volatile storage" or "internal drive". I've caught myself doing it a few times, even recently.
Got my M1 MacBook Air last week, and it only lasted for a solid 4 hours because the LCD cracked. The durability alone from the thin shell from the screen makes it stupidly easy to break. One tiny drop could destroy the screen, which is sad whenever you compare this to the older models, in which I would say were so much more protective by being so much more thicker.
Decent video and earned a like, I would like to provide you with some more detailed information on how SSDs work so you can get a better understanding of the uproar from some of the more technical folk at the time (ignoring the apple hate train people). To begin SSD chips are made up of many cells that store the data, there are currently four types of memory cells SLC, MLC, TLC and QLC. They can store 1, 2, 3 or 4 bits respectively and as you increase the number of bits stored per cell you reduce speed and more importantly endurance. The best SLC has 3 times the endurance of the best MLC which has 6 times the endurance of the best TLC flash. The cells get worn as they are written to so the more you write the faster the SSD dies. Because of this characteristic, SSDs often have some tricks up their sleeve to make them more reliable. Firstly they perform what's known as wear levelling, instead of writing to the first available block of cells it'll spread the writes out as evenly as possible. The more empty space you have the more it has to work with. Secondly, while they may report as using the same system of measurement that consumer hard drives use where there's 1000 bytes in a kilobyte, this actually is not the case on most SSDs. Most SSDs actually contain the full amount of storage on the label in proper 1024 bytes per kb and the difference is reserved for SLC cache and wear levelling. On enterprise drives there are sometimes even extra chips just for this purpose. Some drives overprovision more than others and will have extra flash beyond what the label may suggest. A simple napkin math calculation for best case drive endurance is the following: SLC can handle up to 100,000 complete drive writes, enterprise class MLC drives 30,000, Consumer MLC 10,000 and TLC 5,000. Realistically the Macbook is most likely using TLC so the expected life in of a 256 GB drive to use as an example could be as high as 1.22 PB (not accounting for any potential mitigations such us extra flash not labelled for wear levelling and endurance) Because of what I have outlined above the more full your drive is the faster it wears and as cells die (not noticeable right away because of the overprovisioning) you have less empty, healthy cells to spread the load and they start dying faster in a non-linear fashion. Now all that being said I expect, even if the issue persisted, I would still expect the batteries to wear way before the flash actually does. Lithium batteries have a fixed life expectancy even if left unused and there are many factors (some of which are common use) that wear the batteries faster. I miss the days of removeable batteries and everything being socketed. The T440 is the last great repair and upgrade friendly laptop.
This comment has loads of information in it. Better than some documentation websites have for their products. Thanks for sharing, definitely helps under the physics and mechanics behind how SSDs operate.
@@DayoAworunse No problem, it’s a real shame that modern products have such a lack of documentation. Back in the late 70s and through to the mid 80s everything had comprehensive manuals and even large programming books to teach the user how to operate the machine and load their own software. A lot of the minor things needed to repair electronics such as capacitors were available at your local Radio Shack, circuits were simpler and easier to figure out. If you couldn’t figure it out, there were often service manuals available for more expensive products because back then the consumer durables concept was still alive for appliances.
just around 6.5TBW after 5 days of JetBrains Rider, Unity and Bitwig Studio (all through Rosetta) and Logic Pro X. 8GB M1 MBA That's just over a terabyte a day. That's absolutely insane.
This is the perfect college student laptop. As long as it las the 4-6 years of college I’m okay with it. I’ve been using mine for over a month and my disk has just written and read 1.2 terabytes. At this pace this is gonna last 27 years. I’m guessing my battery will last wayyy less.
@@techwithme2544 im not really good with tips, but I say yes go with an externa; ssd. Not only to prevent the computer messing up faster, but the price range to add more to the ssd is complete bs. 2 TB is $800 on the apple store, but a 2TB samsung external storage is $230 and even a 3 TB is $300. Keep options open, don't rely on apple for everything.
@Gaming York glad to see someone can think for themselves. damn straight, you can use a junker to get through college. Typing documents and visiting sites takes almost no computing power.
My observation is, that apps not optimised for M1 tend to use 2-4x more RAM that M1 optimised, there fore causing more RAM swapping. I have Mac mini M1 16Gb/512Gb, I am using it as a Web bot (1.5/1.5Tb upload/download traffic/monthly generated) with Python 3.8 +Selenium via Firefox (21 parallel browser sessions, around 1Gb of RAM each). It was running Python via Rosetta 2, even Firefox was native, when launched from Python, it was also running via Rosetta, and it generated over 2Tb/month written to SSD. Now, when in mid Feb Apple Silicon optimised version of Python was released, I switched to Python 3.9.2 +Selenium via Chrome, now all runs native on M1, no RAM swapping any more, and during 2 weeks only around 250Gb written to SSD. Means 4x less than with previous version of Python via Rosetta 2. So I think more apps becomes optimised, this problem will disappear
What iOS are you operating on? I have a 2013 Macbook Pro but am running on Mojave 10.14. Unfortunately, I recently had to update from El Capitan 10.11 because some of the programs I need require 10.14 and higher. Ofc, the laptop is slower now... so I'm considering a new laptop now.
I’m one of many who don’t trust what most media outlets publish. Every time they come up with stories like these I look online, especially tech RUclips-ers for reliable info.
2019 Intel iMac 27", 512 GB SSD. Purchased in August 2019, but had a logic board replacement in August 2020, so it's 9 months old. Running Catalina 10.15.7, build 19H524 (Feb 2021). Available Spare: 100% Available Spare Threshold: 10% Percentage Used: 2% Data Units Read: 27,929,504 [14.2 TB] Data Units Written: 40,577,935 [20.7 TB] Host Read Commands: 338,351,624 Host Write Commands: 1,185,215,640 Controller Busy Time: 1,734 Power Cycles: 60 Power On Hours: 1,311
It can last you anywhere between 0 days and 8+ years. If it fails on a pc laptop, it's a 50 dollar fix. If it fails on your M1, the entire laptop is garbage.
I’m mean it will last that time IF nothing but the ssd is the critical wearing point creating a defect. Nice video. edit: using an M1 MacBook Pro since 2 month. Love it
I personally consider the likelyhood of something being damaged to be lower than in prevous models, mainly because it's running at much lower temperatures and because the power used is much lower, which might make it easier to build a power supply which suffers less from instabilities. I guess the battery will be the weakest link and maybe the RAM, which in my experience seems to age. But these are all assumptions. I'm definately also gonna give this laptop a try. I just wish there was a 15" version of it with just the same chipset.
I don't see this issue: ``` SMART/Health Information (NVMe Log 0x02) Critical Warning: 0x00 Temperature: 34 Celsius Available Spare: 100% Available Spare Threshold: 99% Percentage Used: 0% Data Units Read: 2,726,739 [1.39 TB] Data Units Written: 3,078,200 [1.57 TB] Host Read Commands: 52,501,605 Host Write Commands: 59,820,006 Controller Busy Time: 0 Power Cycles: 91 Power On Hours: 42 Unsafe Shutdowns: 5 Media and Data Integrity Errors: 0 Error Information Log Entries: 0 ``` Macbook Pro 13 M1 16GB 1TB NVME. I run Docker w/ database like MySQL and MongoDB, so my usage isn't light.
Linux engineer checking: Unless you trash your SSD, you'll be fine. This isn't an Apple issue, this is a SLC issue. But you could write petabytes of data before the SSD could run into issues. This isn't a Big Sur issue, this is a SLC issue, regardless of OS. It's a electronics issue. Fun fact, the copper in your home, in the walls, it has a limited life too. When you pass electricity over it (constantly happening everyday) it slowly strips electrons from the copper. It's the second law of thermodynamics. This isn't a big deal, every netflix and chill
oh my god!! this was really funny and informative at the same time, enjoyed watching every bit of it !! awesome work, I am subscribing and liking straight away !!! hahahahaha really liked it !!!
They said this about SSD's back in 2012 and 2013 too. I have a 2013 MBP with an SSD and it's been used fairly heavily throughout the years. Lots of downloading large video files, offloading them to other storage mediums then deleting. It's still running just fine. SSDs have come a long way in the last 8 years.
Thanks for your video. Regarding the storage, do you have any recommendation to get extra space? I am checking for nvme enclosure options. Happy to know your thoughts on this. Thanks
I got already 2 failed SSDs (personals ones ... hundreds related to my IT job). One in linux machine another in Windows machine. The windows one got only 9TB written and reported 3% wear ... and just died. Other one was used for few years in 2 computers until it died. It was not a problem, since I was able to swap them for new drive next day ... not so easy in the mac (although I've seen it's possible to do - by a proffesional).
Apple sends out updates that brick older generation laptops. They solder everything to make upgrading impossible and then they send updates that reduce their performance. They are literally fucking you over and you gleefully by their overpriced products.
@@axe863 I’m still using my late 2012 MacBook Pro and it only this year I’m beginning to feel it’s soon time for a new one but even then I’ll still be able to use it for some things. Also they may be expensive but they will Diagnose issues with ones computer in store years beyond warranty even without Apple care . They will even fix minor issues for no charge. Only hardware repairs or battery replacements would have a fee but I never needed that. My battery still shows over 90% health and I use it every day . The one thing is I can’t wait for the sweet long battery life in the new MacBooks .
@@JanineMKartist My old $ 400 hp laptops still work too. This is like going to Starbucks everyday and buying 2 lattes for 10 bucks vs making your own lattes at home for 1 dollar a piece.
Nice video :). Also note SSD TBW ratings are sorta like “rated shutter life” numbers for higher end cameras - just a general guideline. Some cameras with 300,000 rated clicks fail prematurely, most never reach that number, a good many go beyond that.
What none of them are realizing....is that most of their machines in the past had no easy way for them to track the life of their hard disk’s life accurately. WINDOWS machines have use disk space to create additional virtual memory for decades- sucks that you cannot replace the drive when it fails though, regardless of brand of machine, as the drive is a completely independent item that is easy to design as a removable/replaceable item.
Re - the SSD cannot be replaced because it is soldered in. Anything soldered on the main board can be de-soldered and a replacement part be soldered in its place. It may be more expensive to repair, but it can be done by a repair shop.
This was an awesome video sir. Facts and examples versus speculative fear. People are always looking for the next “flexgate” or “keyboard issues” with Mac. Mistakes have been made sure, but you don’t get to 2 trillion in value without some speed bumps. Your tone is great, knowledgeable and relaxed. Loved it. Subbed.
Love the outro. It was really creative and relaxing, also really like the sweatshirt. And thanks for making a video on this issue and give your opinion
I bought a used 2018 IPad Pro and I love it. Got a Hyper. Drive for it as a dongle. It has 3 USB ports, 1 HDMI port, 1 Mic port, 1 USB-A port, 1 port for wired internet cable as well as ports for cameras. I have connected IDE drives to it as well as SDs and it reads them and I can also copy and paste.
I update my MacBook Pro because of the software update’s. I have the 2016 MacBook Pro fully spec out and I’m going to upgrade it soon when it’s still working and going very strong. It’s in mint condition.
One little problem when you talk about lifespan Dayo. You're talking about the length of time until 100% of the hard-drive is used. The computer will stop functioning way before 100% is used! There has to be at least enough room left for the Operating System! So.... if you've got a 256Gig drive, you'll be jettisoning documents way before that time just to keep the computer operating. I still think this is blown way out of proportion. It seems to be extreme heavy users and, potentially, a problem with Big Sur that can be rectified, but... I thought I'd best point out your glaring problem when it comes to discussing how much of a hard-drive needs to be used up to render the computer unusable. Cheers mate.
Put it this way, 16 years ago, I was about to buy a Mac Mini with Intel Core Duo. It still works, but its stuck on Leopard. I've had 4 computers since then. I now have 2 M1s. Zero regrets. If they break after 4 years I'll consider it a fair enough lifespan. I plan to replace them at 4-6 years regardless.
Thats fine and everything but you're a extremely polluting individual. Your carbon footprint and electronic waste footprint must be through the roof. If everyone on the planet did what you did, we would be dying in a smog filled wasteland. I upgrade my too old hp laptops to my friends kids you know because the parts arent straight soldered onto the boards.
well ive had my macbook pro since 2009, ive upgraded the ram and hard drive and battery, when i get the m1 macbook im maximizing the RAM, the disk space i dont really care about as i use icloud, i use my 2009 MBP till this day.... its been 12 years!!! why cant the m1 last longer then that>???
I have a MacBook Air which is nine years old. It still runs but it is barely usable anymore. Applications are more demanding than the machine can handle, even internet browsing is a pain. I would not worry about using a M1 powered machine for more than six years.
*** Important UPDATE:
- this bug was fixed in the Mac OS Big Sur 11.4 software update. This issue was caused by a data reporting error which overestimated ssd usage.
Thank you 🙏 I almost had a heart attack
"data reporting error" Cap
Nah .. it just company that force us to upgrade in certain period of time
@charlesmercs Actually, if you installed the update, all the extra, misreported memory swaps that were reported prior are removed. You can compare the before and after by running an ssd test on 11.3 and comparing to a test done on 11.4. Therefore, it is not “permanent” nor was there ever actually terabytes worth of data being written on the ssd to begin with. Anyone who saw massive amounts of data being written before will see the correct reporting now with greatly reduced numbers.
How can i know if i was already affected before the update?
I’ll be here after 5 years when my M1 Air is still alive and kicking
5 years is a huge lifespan already lmao this isn’t 2010 we’re getting new hardware dependant technologies every year people need to stop being cheap asses
I'll be here waiting
@@limbsmith people still using t420 ThinkPads
out there that are still going strong.
Why are you being pretentious and calling people cheap asses?
I'll be here in one month
@@limbsmith That’s a big load of BS! Still have my Macbook Pro 2012, and it works perfectly! I am however trading it in and switching to the M1 Macbook Air, due to the weight difference and software updates (2012 Macbooks are no longer capable of getting MacOS updates)
im buying an m1, screw all this
Lol same
jajajaja yes 🙌!!!!
Already bought lol
Got mine coming end of month! To hell with all the media hype, I wanna Macbook fanboy!!!
Just bought one and man that battery life and thermal processing is on point. I produce on Fl studio and ableton live and have seen nothing but great results
They said something similar about SSDs when they first came out, and I was told my 2012 MacBook Air SSD would eventually crap out in a few years the more often data was over written. It’s still working perfectly fine.
I've had small files disappear or get corrupted on my 2 year old Samsung NVME on Windows, you loose bits over time, it's not noticeable if u have significant free space, but I'm always at 80-90%. I bet it happens less on less dense drives like sata ssds. But still, I need to back up everything on mechanical drives.
I have a 2011 MacBook Air, and the SSD DID crap out, about 4 years ago. And I wasn't hitting it with tons of data. Got it replaced, and it's been fine since then, but I'm looking to replace the machine since Apple announced it will no longer support the hardware and I haven't been able to update the OS for a few years now. My advice -- backup, backup, backup!
“I do what any person with a brain does, ignore headlines, read the article, do online research, etc” hahaha I guess we have half of the population without brains. That explains a lot.
only half without a brain?
A lot more than half, try 99%. COVID exposed how little research people actually do on their own.
most americans only care about tinder
@@HistoryandReviews Lol ok I can enjoy some jabs to us Americans but Tinder?? Really, out of everything you chose Tinder???
Not true. People have brains, they just don't use them.
Apple's iPhones have processors from 4-5 years ago that STILL run current iOS pretty decently considering its age and lack of ram. Be real here ppl just don't wanna admit apple had just cemented itself as the King of silicon.
iPhone don't have swap space.
@@savio3175 what is that
Mobile OS vs. full on desktop OS. Big difference.
Pmsl your a typical uneducated isheep aren't you 😂 iPhones don't run swap you plum ! Lol
It’s not the processor that wears out. It’s the on board memory that may wear out prematurely according to some. Constant writing to the memory wears out the individual cells that comprise the drive. The problem here is that Apple will not confirm or deny. Most people don’t demand that kind of usage from their storage. Most people usually upgrade their machines more frequently than every 5 years. I say it’s a non-problem.
I just need to get thru college with it 💀💀
same here, and even if it stops working after college there would be better options to upgrade
Same
It won't last 12 years lol
@@joshua1935 I wouldn’t want to keep the same laptop for 12 years anyway lol. I’d probably change my laptop after 5-6 years minimum
and you will get trough collage with it. If this is going to be that big of a problem Apple will start a "repair" program
If my M1 last at least 10 years, I think I got my money’s worth. However, I prefer they last longer, as I always donate my older PCs and Macs when I upgrade. 👍👍👍
10 years huh
like literally why would you theoretically need a 10 year old pc considering that just 7 years ago making 720p vids was the quality standard and now it’s 1440p lmao no 7 year old pc would be able to edit 1440p vids comfortably
@@N0purpose im a gs agent at best buy. A woman came in asking what computer I would recommend I mentioned to her that the m1 is a good option. Price, power & battery life. She asked how long it would last her. I said 5 at least with os support and like 7 if she takes care of it. She hit me with I own a 20 year old laptop thats from Dell is there any computer like that? Then she proceeded to tell me "oh yeah the 20 year old laptop is getting slow now"🤣 trust me people keep their laptops for long as hell.
@@13gta she prob doesn't use it often but 20 YEARS? no way
10?! Dude, 5 years is great. $200 a year is great value.
I’m still using my 2012 MacBook Air as my daily driver. approaching 10 years!
👀👀👀👀
How’s the battery and how often do you change it?
That doesn't use the M1 chip though.
@@AdrianA-yo8jd I’ve changed battery twice so far. first change was on the 5th year then on the eighth year.
A 13" MacBook Pro from 2009 here - used as my main computer at home, bought in November or December 2009, so now 11.25 years old! I don't have to earn my money with this Mac though. To be fair, I'm looking for a new Mac since 2019. So if I had been a little faster with deciding, the MacBook Pro would have been replaced right before it hit ten years of age. I'm excited for the M1 or M1X iMacs. Looks like these will be released at the end of this year, though I hope it will happen earlier.
As a 12-years Windows user and an Apple hater, I have huge respect to Apple for this. I just ordered a MBA, expecting to be shipped in 2 weeks. Nvidia and Intel both can dig their own graves now.
Emjoy! I’m like you and honestly happy I made the switch.
Why Nvidia tho?
@@mohasinkhan5373 anti consumer moves
How are you liking it? I've been a lifelong windows user turned mac user as of 2 days ago, too! Is hard getting used to everything
@@TwelveLetter956what did they do
How refreshing to have a nice, quiet, calm "well, let's look at this" approach without all the hyperbole. Subscribed.
Noooo, we need more dramas!!!!!
Same. Subscribed.
That is if you ignore the title of the video...
You know, I did the same thing.
Calm voice, articulate, and well thought out. First video I’ve seen from you but I really hope this channel grows, you have potential. Just subscribed!
:)
@@DayoAworunse wireless mouse compatible for this laptop?typ c...any suggestions?
@@shreyanshjaiswal4783 Bluetooth wireless mouse you mean?
@@DayoAworunse yes buddy. Also of usb type c coz m1 air has only 2 c ports !
@@shreyanshjaiswal4783 I’d advise getting a dongle and using a regular usb A wireless adapter with the mouse
Everyone please support the "Let's get Right to Repair passed!" gofundme from Louis Rossmann, even if you just share it and let people know about the issue.This could go a long way in forcing apple to make stuff repairable again.
Infact allowing repairability on m1 is defeating the purpose of an SOC architecture. Its like asking qualcomm to allow you to upgrade the storage and ram on the snapdragon processor. The other repairability i agree with but not anything related to the chip and storage.
An ssd replacement on m1 macs is insanely stupid...you will have to get inside the chip to do that...which is almost impossible to do by any other tech repair person. And as mentioned...ssd swapping is a software part of it and it can be easily improved by apple any day....its only cause its not such a huge prob that apple is not doing anything.
@@Dyaan14.1 I know a trillion dollars/reasons that tell me, that they will find a way if they have to...
@@angrytechaddict7803 the efficiency and performance will be compromised if they find a qay to do it....the same way phone storage cant be increased even laptop storage cant be....and for more storage these days its more cheaper to pay for cloud storage than paying extra for more storage when u are purchasing
@@Dyaan14.1 there surely were people that told Steve Jobs that a phone with mainly touchscreen input would be just a inefficient compromise... 🤷♂️
In 4 years, people will figure out how to swap out a soldered on SSD. I'm waiting for an used M1 when it drops below $600. Last week an used M1 for $650 on slickdeal, we're getting there.
Not entirely sure about this, I have the M1 MBP 16gb ram 1tb, And I have been testing this to see how much memory swap was happening. To give you a perspective, My daly use of this computer is as follows: I use safari for emails, sometimes Chrome, I play some intense Intel games, I edit with Final Cut Pro, I use Luminar AI (intel version still) I do restart my computer about once a week. So far the maximum memory swap I have seen in a week is 7GB, So this would take decades to kill the SSD from Swap memory. I can understand that this might be a bit more of an issue with the 8gb ram models, but I don't think it would be this big of a difference. I used to do the same work on a 2017 15" MBP with 16gb or ram as well and I would get an average of 50gb a week of swap. From 2017 to now my ssd is at 97%. Hope this helps.
I smell a plant from Intel. You know they are pissed lol.
yep, actually it's that easy to "buy an article" for your gain in the media.
you smell aliens too? yeh because apple " cant "do anything wrong?
Between AMD & Apple, Intel’s definitely feeling the heat. Hilarious if they end up leaning on GPUs as a lifeline due to the current situation with AMD & NVidia.
@@Teluric2 I smell the "apple can't do anything right" people. Oh! It must be you LOL!
@@justcrap3703 I have ipadpro. Yeh like your username says..its crap
I SMELL" " I must defend apple because I dont have anything else in my life"
You re smelling wrong😎
Ssd degradation is exponential. As your Ssd gets filled up. Imagine this scenerio. 60% of storage is used. The rest 40% of the Ssd will mainly be write and rewrite. That's why most laptops have a software to notify you to have less than 80% storage used to increase the lifespan. Look up linus video on Ssd.
Can you link it
Dude, your relaxed way of talking and filming is like a zen moment between all the other hyped RUclips clips. Thank you, subbed;)
Thanks for the sub 🙏🏿
agree 100, its what made me sub lol. smooth relaxed tone and intelligently laid out. No panic mode and a good break down of things.
No, when it reaches 100% the bad cells start failing and you get data loss, while your swap files continue destroying the remaining cells at an accelerated rate, because your useable cell counts decrease after each nand cell failure. It's a cascading accelerating domino effect.
Finally someone that actually understands how SSDs work. Figures you only had 5 likes. There is also a pretty high failure rate in SSDs from the electronics inside failing. Faulty solder joints, low quality components and heat accelerate the failure of an SSD, which is fairly common. Not allowing users to replace components is just shady.
Bought in December 0 regrets.
if you are planning to buy M1 version just do it
I am sure you will be able to afford new laptop after 5 years 😅😅
Yeah we can, but some of us would like to repurpose our old kit to sell, donate, pass on to younger kids, use as a spare, etc... Kinda sux you have to throw out a perfectly good machine just because you can't change the ssd and/or upgrade ram.
@@MrAkaacer nobody is saying throw it away. Apple or someone else will buy it from you and give credit towards a new device.
@@chickenpasta7359 Really? Only a sucker would buy a second hand device where the battery can't be replaced. The Battery dies, the device dies.
@@MrAkaacer they literally are replaceable. Apple and third party stores offer battery replacement services
Just like a phone, you will get rid of it long before that happens.
Cool video and good information!
I actually use two macs that are 10 years old! One iMac for work and one Macbook Pro at home (which is also used for work).
Apple stopped allowing OS updates some 3 years ago (so 7 years of full support), but the machines still work really well! Using After Effects, Illustrator, Photoshop, Lightroom and all of that.
But honestly, using these computers for 6 more years is something i can't fathom xD
Finally someone who uses his brain instead of fear mongering. Thanks
Issue already fixed by Apple. Keep listening to morons who think they know more than Apple engineers.
I just want to add something. One technique used by SSD controllers to extend the life span of devices is to spread the writes on differents cells, which means the impact of dead cells will be exponential. For example, if you have 50% of your cells dead it will take less than half of the time to kill the remaining 50%. This is the reason the expected lifespan of SSD increases with the size of it.
@Gaming York probably you can think of it that way, but raid is more about multiple devices, and this would be internal for a "single" device.
"I'm convinced my laptop is gonna die in 10 minutes" i fucking laughed out loud so hard at this
Yeah me too
I'm still using an upgraded 2011. It's finally showing its age. M1 or M2 will be in my future.
You won't be disappointed. I upgraded from the same machine as well with a SSD & upgraded RAM.
same, now im not sure if I should wait or just get the mba base model to get most value for money
Agreed - blown out of proportion - lots of haters would love to see Apple fail.
When the next Pro-Series M-chips appear, Intel and AMD will suffer a giant Code Brown
Agreed...
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Apple would love you to throw away your old laptop and buy a new one too. Don't be blinded to the possibility of shenanigans
@@iluvmusicqwe Most Apple devices are kinda known to last tho.. People are still using 2012 macbook's and old iphones are still usable today, which can''t really be said for the competition.
The old Unibody laptops, are actually really good and if you upgraded the parts to its highest performance, then i would say yes easily you can use it from 2011- 2026. If its in good condition - of course. I used mine for 10 yrs as my daily machine. 2011-2021.
I mean... listen. No offense, but you probably just have a high tolerance for some things that others really don't. I agree though. My motto is "buy it nice, or buy it twice". If you buy a capable computer or laptop at the time, if you did your research, it should last you around 8 years.
Thank you for debunking this. I’m still on Intel with my MB Pro, but am looking to make the change when the fall/winter line up come out.
That'll be a good time to transition.
I believe people are also forgetting that these M1 Macs are intended for entry-level usage cases as well. Most tech channels have focused on 4K video editing and other resource heavy use cases. Just a couple months ago such a notion for a MacBook Air was absurd if not laughable. Although these machines are capable, that isn’t quite their intended use case. Consider how one would never attempt to cut down a tree with a kitchen knife even if the knife was “sharp enough” to do so. Pros should really wait for the higher end devices that are catered to their needs.
Well, the thing is there will always be huge upgrades in the 4-5 years coming years. So, why not just enjoy the current best and switch on.
Thank you so much Dayo for this great information. I am a professional librarian, and I really appreciate your "instinct" to do due diligence research before accepting the hype and the media claims. You have now convinced me to go ahead and get the M1 mini, as I am just coming from a late 2012 Mini that lasted for 9-10 years (which, in my opinion, is a LONG time for a computer to do well, and it is still not doing so badly!). If people think their computers should last until 2037 as their main computer, they should just go buy a typewriter, because they are the wrong customer for the product, and not the other way around. Again, thanks. And I love how when you make a pronunciation error, or something like that, you leave it in and turn it into a joke - you are in on the joke, and I love people like that. THANK YOU!
Research only takes a couple of minutes. Better to come up with your own judgement than to blindly follow others.
Also, I love attempting to use big words than googling it seconds after to see if I used it correctly.
YOUR WELCOME!
@@DayoAworunse
1:38 I don't think it says *ex* - pecially but rather *es* - pecially.
Funny how you complain about the headlines of those articles, but then use a similar clickbait title for your video 😂 (And yes it worked on me, I clicked 🙄)
Ashamed of myself but I have to get people to click somehow. If you can't beat em' join em'! (but still keep your content authentic)
The ellipsis suggested to me Dayo had doubts. True believers go !!!!!!!!!
@@DayoAworunse to help you in the future, I would advise turning it into a question. Will ....?
@@denisdaly1708 That's a good suggestion. I'll try to incorporate it for my future videos
@@denisdaly1708 i agree.
I see why the clickbait but please if you have to use clickbait, do so, but please turn it into a question.
I used a 2015 iMac throughout my graphics class last year and this year and it worked great. I highly doubt that Apple will let their computers die in 2 to 5 years as they support their Macs years after release.
Much older apple devices become obsolete pass their software update life. A iPad 2 is useless now a days.
Bought my MacBook Air M1 3 weeks ago. I've been a loyal Acer user for years. Why did I switch to Mac? Because of good feedback from long time Mac users.
You won't be disappointed
Don't they have wear leveling? Pretty sure most people who worry about SSDs wearing out have never seen a dead one.
Thing is. SSD's on most laptop and desktop computers ARE USER REPLACEABLE. Not on m1 laptops. On those the SSD is SOLDERED TO THE MAINBOARD.
Apple has been doing memory swap for a LOOOOOONG time. My laptop has been swapping to its SSD for ages. SSD is still fine and going strong. Laptop is a decade old and SSD is almost that old.
Your decade old ssd is much more durable than the new ones.
@@myslav1805 no.
@@axgrf how so
The whole thing is based off one person’s Reddit post. My M1 Mini and M1 Pro show around 100mb in swap...nowhere near the 1 TB mentioned in Reddit.
It's down to what your workload is. If you're doing heavy-duty video editing and using a limited amount of ram, then you're just asking for trouble. Your use of swap memory will be noticeably higher on an 8GB configuration vs a 16GB configuration. Same wear and tear will also occur on x86 macs.
It's estimated and usually, it'll last far longer. It's like milk, the expiration date is a bit conservative (at least here in Sweden) 😂
Not really, every electronic product nowadays has planned obsolescence in it
I feel like youtubers and the performance of the m1 line is at charge too. Because when ppl hear : you can do 4K video editing with a 8g ram MacBook Air, they don’t hear “the machine is so incredible that it can handle it” they hear “it’s all you need”. And if you get a 8g ram machine for application where 32go is recommanded, well no surprise it’s gonna swap a lot...
I have noticed that Rosetta-2 apps, running in the background, have increased swapped usage and disk writes (kernal_task).
I hace just bought my first mac, gold m1 base model and it is AMAAAAZING!!
Btw, i have a 2 weeks old M1 Air,Big Sur 11.4, no problems with the excessive SSD usage.
Oh man the level of quality in this video is great. Such a calm, professional presenting personality that makes it so easy to digest and reflect.
I do have to question though, is the desk really high or are you sitting really low? 🤔
Mixture of both. But the center of my couch makes me sink a lot lower.
can‘t believe you have just 20K subs… way too underrated
Only 880k to go...
Agreed
Me too
All of your math is assuming the percentage of wear is on a linear curve, ie 1% over a period of time consistently until it goes from 100% to 0%. Most definitely not how it works in the real world.
I stated these assumptions when showing my calculations. Does it get harder to write to the SSD overtime or easier?
@@DayoAworunse You are terribly misinformed...
Pls learn how ssd write works..
It never goes linear way ...
And stop fanboying and defending that greedy apple for locking storage device
@@asdbef3667 I never defended them and also said “assuming it goes linear”
@@DayoAworunse That's the problem you assumed and said to the public... That won't be that much of a thing to worry about
I don't know about your area... But most people bought 256 GB version cause others are way expensive (another rip off by apple)
And that 256 GB has way less shorter write endurance than 1 tb version ..at most (80-100 TB) endurance
If the writing keeps up at this rate.... It wont last more than 2+ years at best case for 256 GB.... Even less than that...
It wouldn't have been a issue if only apple didn't loc the upgrade paths to storage
@@asdbef3667 I still don’t disagree with what you’re saying. I too have 256GB and wouldn’t recommend 1TB just because external storages are much cheaper and offer similar read/write speeds. This affects a small portion of people while the other articles and saying this will affect almost everyone. This has even been stated by people who originally came out with this issue.
It is not"Intentional", they'd replace it with warranty
I've just canceled my order of a Macmini 16gb of ram, and 512gb of hard drive from B&H until further updates especially when I don't really need one now.
Stupid, they will patch it soon.
You shouldn’t ever get get any laptop or desktop that has a Hard Drive on it in 2021.
@@mikey9836 He meant SSD. Many people still reflexively write, "hard drive" when they mean "non-volatile storage" or "internal drive". I've caught myself doing it a few times, even recently.
Stupid? Was that the right word to use?
@@binkez There is no news of a patch for this anytime soon
Got my M1 MacBook Air last week, and it only lasted for a solid 4 hours because the LCD cracked. The durability alone from the thin shell from the screen makes it stupidly easy to break. One tiny drop could destroy the screen, which is sad whenever you compare this to the older models, in which I would say were so much more protective by being so much more thicker.
Ouch, hopefully you were able to get a return or replacement. That would definitely be off-putting for a device that expensive.
@@DayoAworunse I bought AppleCare for the machine whenever it happened, so I only had to pay $100 to get the screen/LCD repaired at a Apple store.
Just came across your channel and I’m very happy with the way you explain things. Subscribed
Great, sensible, clear, helpful video. Full of good information and comment. We need more great videos like this. Kudos to you.
Decent video and earned a like, I would like to provide you with some more detailed information on how SSDs work so you can get a better understanding of the uproar from some of the more technical folk at the time (ignoring the apple hate train people). To begin SSD chips are made up of many cells that store the data, there are currently four types of memory cells SLC, MLC, TLC and QLC. They can store 1, 2, 3 or 4 bits respectively and as you increase the number of bits stored per cell you reduce speed and more importantly endurance. The best SLC has 3 times the endurance of the best MLC which has 6 times the endurance of the best TLC flash. The cells get worn as they are written to so the more you write the faster the SSD dies. Because of this characteristic, SSDs often have some tricks up their sleeve to make them more reliable.
Firstly they perform what's known as wear levelling, instead of writing to the first available block of cells it'll spread the writes out as evenly as possible. The more empty space you have the more it has to work with. Secondly, while they may report as using the same system of measurement that consumer hard drives use where there's 1000 bytes in a kilobyte, this actually is not the case on most SSDs. Most SSDs actually contain the full amount of storage on the label in proper 1024 bytes per kb and the difference is reserved for SLC cache and wear levelling. On enterprise drives there are sometimes even extra chips just for this purpose. Some drives overprovision more than others and will have extra flash beyond what the label may suggest.
A simple napkin math calculation for best case drive endurance is the following: SLC can handle up to 100,000 complete drive writes, enterprise class MLC drives 30,000, Consumer MLC 10,000 and TLC 5,000. Realistically the Macbook is most likely using TLC so the expected life in of a 256 GB drive to use as an example could be as high as 1.22 PB (not accounting for any potential mitigations such us extra flash not labelled for wear levelling and endurance)
Because of what I have outlined above the more full your drive is the faster it wears and as cells die (not noticeable right away because of the overprovisioning) you have less empty, healthy cells to spread the load and they start dying faster in a non-linear fashion. Now all that being said I expect, even if the issue persisted, I would still expect the batteries to wear way before the flash actually does. Lithium batteries have a fixed life expectancy even if left unused and there are many factors (some of which are common use) that wear the batteries faster. I miss the days of removeable batteries and everything being socketed. The T440 is the last great repair and upgrade friendly laptop.
This comment has loads of information in it. Better than some documentation websites have for their products. Thanks for sharing, definitely helps under the physics and mechanics behind how SSDs operate.
@@DayoAworunse No problem, it’s a real shame that modern products have such a lack of documentation. Back in the late 70s and through to the mid 80s everything had comprehensive manuals and even large programming books to teach the user how to operate the machine and load their own software.
A lot of the minor things needed to repair electronics such as capacitors were available at your local Radio Shack, circuits were simpler and easier to figure out. If you couldn’t figure it out, there were often service manuals available for more expensive products because back then the consumer durables concept was still alive for appliances.
@@DigitalMoonlight technology has been dumbed down sadly.
M1 macs will only last somewhere between tomorrow and in a couple decades :)
Factual while maintaining humor, subbed my guy
just around 6.5TBW after 5 days of JetBrains Rider, Unity and Bitwig Studio (all through Rosetta) and Logic Pro X.
8GB M1 MBA
That's just over a terabyte a day. That's absolutely insane.
how do you find this ?
@@Jhook15
brew install smartmontools
smartctl -a disk0s1
Good comments calming everyone down. In 2 years, I'm sure the M1 stuff will look much different than today. Yeah, I like 32GB ram by then.
SSD exists on tablet for years and you don't hear about it. People just trying to distract the game changing M1, imo.
This is the perfect college student laptop. As long as it las the 4-6 years of college I’m okay with it. I’ve been using mine for over a month and my disk has just written and read 1.2 terabytes. At this pace this is gonna last 27 years. I’m guessing my battery will last wayyy less.
Curious do you have 8gb or 16gb of ram?
@@theodore9668 base model MacBook Air, 8 gb memory, 256 gb ssd.
can you give me some tips so that my lap lasts long? lIke do you use external ssd 1
@@techwithme2544 im not really good with tips, but I say yes go with an externa; ssd. Not only to prevent the computer messing up faster, but the price range to add more to the ssd is complete bs. 2 TB is $800 on the apple store, but a 2TB samsung external storage is $230 and even a 3 TB is $300. Keep options open, don't rely on apple for everything.
@Gaming York glad to see someone can think for themselves. damn straight, you can use a junker to get through college. Typing documents and visiting sites takes almost no computing power.
I liked the way you present your content, I subscribed. Keep the good work coming.
Big fan of comments like these
My observation is, that apps not optimised for M1 tend to use 2-4x more RAM that M1 optimised, there fore causing more RAM swapping. I have Mac mini M1 16Gb/512Gb, I am using it as a Web bot (1.5/1.5Tb upload/download traffic/monthly generated) with Python 3.8 +Selenium via Firefox (21 parallel browser sessions, around 1Gb of RAM each). It was running Python via Rosetta 2, even Firefox was native, when launched from Python, it was also running via Rosetta, and it generated over 2Tb/month written to SSD. Now, when in mid Feb Apple Silicon optimised version of Python was released, I switched to Python 3.9.2 +Selenium via Chrome, now all runs native on M1, no RAM swapping any more, and during 2 weeks only around 250Gb written to SSD. Means 4x less than with previous version of Python via Rosetta 2. So I think more apps becomes optimised, this problem will disappear
I'm watching this on a 2011 13" MBP. smooth as glass.
What iOS are you operating on? I have a 2013 Macbook Pro but am running on Mojave 10.14. Unfortunately, I recently had to update from El Capitan 10.11 because some of the programs I need require 10.14 and higher. Ofc, the laptop is slower now... so I'm considering a new laptop now.
I’m one of many who don’t trust what most media outlets publish. Every time they come up with stories like these I look online, especially tech RUclips-ers for reliable info.
Damn my boy is still using his 2012 MacBook Pro for everything after swapping his disc drive for an ssd
2019 Intel iMac 27", 512 GB SSD. Purchased in August 2019, but had a logic board replacement in August 2020, so it's 9 months old. Running Catalina 10.15.7, build 19H524 (Feb 2021).
Available Spare: 100%
Available Spare Threshold: 10%
Percentage Used: 2%
Data Units Read: 27,929,504 [14.2 TB]
Data Units Written: 40,577,935 [20.7 TB]
Host Read Commands: 338,351,624
Host Write Commands: 1,185,215,640
Controller Busy Time: 1,734
Power Cycles: 60
Power On Hours: 1,311
Almost 1 year with 2% used, not bad at all .
Just bought an m1 Mac mini and I'm not too worried about it honestly. New subscriber, keep up the good vids!
Mac mini is one of the most value centric choices you can make
If it can last me 7-8 years then I won’t worry. I’ll maybe get the 16GB ram model to future-proof.
That would be the best option mate
It can last you anywhere between 0 days and 8+ years. If it fails on a pc laptop, it's a 50 dollar fix. If it fails on your M1, the entire laptop is garbage.
I just got the 16gb ram 1tb ssd
I’m mean it will last that time IF nothing but the ssd is the critical wearing point creating a defect.
Nice video.
edit: using an M1 MacBook Pro since 2 month. Love it
I personally consider the likelyhood of something being damaged to be lower than in prevous models, mainly because it's running at much lower temperatures and because the power used is much lower, which might make it easier to build a power supply which suffers less from instabilities. I guess the battery will be the weakest link and maybe the RAM, which in my experience seems to age. But these are all assumptions. I'm definately also gonna give this laptop a try. I just wish there was a 15" version of it with just the same chipset.
2010 MBA here with SSD. Very much full yet very much alive :)
I don't see this issue:
```
SMART/Health Information (NVMe Log 0x02)
Critical Warning: 0x00
Temperature: 34 Celsius
Available Spare: 100%
Available Spare Threshold: 99%
Percentage Used: 0%
Data Units Read: 2,726,739 [1.39 TB]
Data Units Written: 3,078,200 [1.57 TB]
Host Read Commands: 52,501,605
Host Write Commands: 59,820,006
Controller Busy Time: 0
Power Cycles: 91
Power On Hours: 42
Unsafe Shutdowns: 5
Media and Data Integrity Errors: 0
Error Information Log Entries: 0
```
Macbook Pro 13 M1 16GB 1TB NVME. I run Docker w/ database like MySQL and MongoDB, so my usage isn't light.
Linux engineer checking: Unless you trash your SSD, you'll be fine. This isn't an Apple issue, this is a SLC issue. But you could write petabytes of data before the SSD could run into issues. This isn't a Big Sur issue, this is a SLC issue, regardless of OS. It's a electronics issue. Fun fact, the copper in your home, in the walls, it has a limited life too. When you pass electricity over it (constantly happening everyday) it slowly strips electrons from the copper. It's the second law of thermodynamics. This isn't a big deal, every netflix and chill
Yeah, still usually a 2013 Mac air for daily use. Works great
oh my god!! this was really funny and informative at the same time, enjoyed watching every bit of it !! awesome work, I am subscribing and liking straight away !!! hahahahaha really liked it !!!
I bought a base model M1 air. Performance for a developer like me (and a long time windows user) is amazing
My Intel Mac mini is suffering with high data writing, I agree with you on being a system problem, but I think this is happening since catalina
They said this about SSD's back in 2012 and 2013 too. I have a 2013 MBP with an SSD and it's been used fairly heavily throughout the years. Lots of downloading large video files, offloading them to other storage mediums then deleting. It's still running just fine. SSDs have come a long way in the last 8 years.
Dayo, you’re a bit young for dad jokes! Lol, and I’m a dad!
I've been too old for my age, but no kids that I know of! 🤔
@@DayoAworunse ... Dad? 😳
@@kingkai18 Son? 😳
Definitely an intel smear campaign because they got the one two punch from M1.
As a creative, my machine lifespan usually last about 5 years
Too little
Thanks for your video. Regarding the storage, do you have any recommendation to get extra space? I am checking for nvme enclosure options. Happy to know your thoughts on this. Thanks
At most locally I’d say 1TB, but highly recommend 512GB
You can buy external drives for much cheaper if you need more space
I got already 2 failed SSDs (personals ones ... hundreds related to my IT job). One in linux machine another in Windows machine. The windows one got only 9TB written and reported 3% wear ... and just died. Other one was used for few years in 2 computers until it died.
It was not a problem, since I was able to swap them for new drive next day ... not so easy in the mac (although I've seen it's possible to do - by a proffesional).
I wish I had the problem of my laptop only lasting until 2041😂
You don't look like someone who ever gets upset.
I need my MacBooks to last up to 10 years. I’m waiting did the 14 or 16 inch . Hopefully it will be good.
Apple sends out updates that brick older generation laptops. They solder everything to make upgrading impossible and then they send updates that reduce their performance. They are literally fucking you over and you gleefully by their overpriced products.
@@axe863 I’m still using my late 2012 MacBook Pro and it only this year I’m beginning to feel it’s soon time for a new one but even then I’ll still be able to use it for some things. Also they may be expensive but they will
Diagnose issues with ones computer in store years beyond warranty even without Apple care . They will even fix minor issues for no charge. Only hardware repairs or battery replacements would have a fee but I never needed that. My battery still shows over 90% health and I use it every day .
The one thing is I can’t wait for the sweet long battery life in the new MacBooks .
@@JanineMKartist My old $ 400 hp laptops still work too. This is like going to Starbucks everyday and buying 2 lattes for 10 bucks vs making your own lattes at home for 1 dollar a piece.
@@JanineMKartist Those stores are literally the most profitable because they usually don't do simple fixes for cheap.
Way to checking the facts. Appreciated that you also shared it with others
Nice video :). Also note SSD TBW ratings are sorta like “rated shutter life” numbers for higher end cameras - just a general guideline.
Some cameras with 300,000 rated clicks fail prematurely, most never reach that number, a good many go beyond that.
What none of them are realizing....is that most of their machines in the past had no easy way for them to track the life of their hard disk’s life accurately. WINDOWS machines have use disk space to create additional virtual memory for decades- sucks that you cannot replace the drive when it fails though, regardless of brand of machine, as the drive is a completely independent item that is easy to design as a removable/replaceable item.
You convinced me I am selling the 10 Macs I have and buying a Nuc.
Nuc only has upto i7 tier right?
@@ringoaikocascade I was being sarcastic. I have no intention of getting rid of my Macs.
@@poorfesor lmao i laughed way too hard reading this comment.
Can the issue be fixed with a software update?
Yep hope so..
@NovaLion I mean they can atleast roll out a software update to decrease the wear of ssd
Very informative, easy to follow and great delivery. Outstanding job Dayo!
Outstanding!?! 👀
Re - the SSD cannot be replaced because it is soldered in.
Anything soldered on the main board can be de-soldered and a replacement part be soldered in its place.
It may be more expensive to repair, but it can be done by a repair shop.
This was an awesome video sir. Facts and examples versus speculative fear. People are always looking for the next “flexgate” or “keyboard issues” with Mac. Mistakes have been made sure, but you don’t get to 2 trillion in value without some speed bumps. Your tone is great, knowledgeable and relaxed. Loved it. Subbed.
Love the outro. It was really creative and relaxing, also really like the sweatshirt. And thanks for making a video on this issue and give your opinion
Thanks! Appreciate it.
And this is why news outlets are losing to youtubers
I bought a used 2018 IPad Pro and I love it. Got a Hyper. Drive for it as a dongle. It has 3 USB ports, 1 HDMI port, 1 Mic port, 1 USB-A port, 1 port for wired internet cable as well as ports for cameras. I have connected IDE drives to it as well as SDs and it reads them and I can also copy and paste.
I update my MacBook Pro because of the software update’s. I have the 2016 MacBook Pro fully spec out and I’m going to upgrade it soon when it’s still working and going very strong. It’s in mint condition.
I can only say: What a beautiful watch.
One little problem when you talk about lifespan Dayo. You're talking about the length of time until 100% of the hard-drive is used. The computer will stop functioning way before 100% is used! There has to be at least enough room left for the Operating System!
So.... if you've got a 256Gig drive, you'll be jettisoning documents way before that time just to keep the computer operating.
I still think this is blown way out of proportion. It seems to be extreme heavy users and, potentially, a problem with Big Sur that can be rectified, but... I thought I'd best point out your glaring problem when it comes to discussing how much of a hard-drive needs to be used up to render the computer unusable.
Cheers mate.
I completely agree.
Put it this way, 16 years ago, I was about to buy a Mac Mini with Intel Core Duo. It still works, but its stuck on Leopard. I've had 4 computers since then. I now have 2 M1s. Zero regrets. If they break after 4 years I'll consider it a fair enough lifespan. I plan to replace them at 4-6 years regardless.
Thats fine and everything but you're a extremely polluting individual. Your carbon footprint and electronic waste footprint must be through the roof. If everyone on the planet did what you did, we would be dying in a smog filled wasteland. I upgrade my too old hp laptops to my friends kids you know because the parts arent straight soldered onto the boards.
Just use linux dumbfck
well ive had my macbook pro since 2009, ive upgraded the ram and hard drive and battery, when i get the m1 macbook im maximizing the RAM, the disk space i dont really care about as i use icloud, i use my 2009 MBP till this day.... its been 12 years!!! why cant the m1 last longer then that>???
I have a MacBook Air which is nine years old. It still runs but it is barely usable anymore. Applications are more demanding than the machine can handle, even internet browsing is a pain.
I would not worry about using a M1 powered machine for more than six years.