Apple’s Older M1 Might be TOO Good
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- Опубликовано: 2 окт 2024
- In this clip, Marques, Andrew, and David discuss the news that Apple is slowing production on M2 chips due to the new M2 products not selling as well.
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I think it also has to do with the way they messed up the price ladder. They increased a lot of prices while making some lower tier options very bad. Those changes make people with a limited budget (that means most people) not want to climb on that ladder at all
Absolutely, I bought I refurb M1 MacBook Pro when the M2s were released specifically because the M2 asked for a 30% higher price. They increased the price and are later surprised demand is lower?
Yes! Agreed 100%!
@@imolliebro its price increase + the fact that laptops are not changed as usually as a phone, ppl are still rocking intel macbooks nowadays.
Plus the M2 laptops have slower SSDs and higher prices. So what you are saying affects the budget shoppers, and the shoppers with more money or higher demands just probably cant justify paying more for the M2 when it's not always faster and IS always more expensive.
Totally agree. And while maybe it's not fair when you consider discounts, I wanted the M2 Air, but by the time I upgraded the SSD and RAM to what should have been on the base model (I don't know how 512Gb and 16Gb is not the minimum these days), I could get a higher spec M1 Pro for less money. So I went the pro.
This is true. I still have my M1 Macbook Air and can't imagine needing more than this for at least a few years. I would've considered trading and upgrading to the M2 Air but they screwed up the storage and made it too expensive to get the not crippled storage. If I upgrade anytime soon I already decided I'm getting the M1 Pro MacBook Pro with the higher core CPU and GPU.
Agreed, I got the M1 MBA as well even though the M2 was available, not only was it cheaper but because the SSD is faster.
After a year or two of using your tech it shouldn’t feel old. The M2 isn’t for M1 chip owning crowd.
U guys used 8gb ram or 16gb ram, im on dilemma
Agree!
@@irfanhakimi2721 I have 8 and it's fine for what I use my laptop for but if you think you might need 16 then go for it. When I do upgrade in the future I'll definitely be getting 16gb RAM next time around.
I just picked up a used M1 Air from my sister's employer and wow this thing is a beast. Big upgrade from the 2013 MBP
8gb or 16gb ram?
@@irfanhakimi2721 fairly positive it's 8, this machine will complement a relatively powerful Windows desktop
@@Collin_J especially because mac is hard to play games on, it really helps to get things done, then gaming on desktop .
Also not mixing up important files and a less secured desktop for game is probably better for security.
Same. I got a 16gb M1 Air for video editing and it surprises me every day.
Sisters employer lmao
I have a M1 Air since its launch and am a very casual user. I’ll need to replace the battery at some point, but I can see myself keeping it for years and years, it works so well.
How is your M1 Air's keyboard holding up? I've had mine for 2 years, and I recently had the chance to compare my keys with those of a lightly used M1 Air. Wow my keys have gotten soft. About a year ago I had issues with the Return key sticking, but luckily it worked itself back into nearly full-functioning shape.
I have a M1 MBP and yeah I bought it just after the launch. Hows your battery life been so far? Mine is on 86. The keyboard has definitely gotten a touch softer as eric mentioned. M1 lineup was a beast and seems powerful even now.
@@ehusby I have the same issue with M1 MacBook Air keyboard here. I hope I can replace it to make it feels like new
@@abhilashv. haven’t noticed anything weird when it comes to my keyboard. Battery is 87% and pretty disappointing… it used to be amazing when it was new. I wonder if it’s a lack of optimization with the new updates.
@@ehusby I've had my m1 since it was released and no issues with my keyboard. My partner just got a new m1 air as well last week and feels the same when I type on their laptop. I use my laptop keyboard pretty heavily since im a content/copywriter. What I did notice had gotten a lot worse when I compared it to my partner's was the speaker. Definitely not as loud as theirs
I'm afraid they might start nerfing those M1s via software updates. Not sure on the legal side of it, or how bad would it hurt their reputation
While I unfortunately don't see that as impossible, I do think we're living in a day and age where that would be the dumbest thing they could do knowing full well tech youtubers will find out about this and they will get absolutely shit on for that
@@jjpark98 Yes, especially because they're still battling the reputation effects of slowing phones down over time (even though it's an unavoidable part of phones). To take significant steps to decrease functionality also just seems unnecessary, because the SSDs in these computers have a finite lifespan- they're ticking time-bombs anyway.
That would be stupid. They literally have the app for downgrading to older MacOS. I dont like Ventura, and if the next one nerfs my hardware I will downgrade to Monterey and stay a while
Hopefully by that time, Linux will run well enough to do as an a main OS on these ones
And still people would and will buy their overpriced products in a heartbeat day one... And before you bash me, yes i own Apple products aswell... i just buy them cheaper
The M1 Air hits a sweet spot that's hard to beat, and you can find them relatively cheap. I paid $900 for mine, but that was only a couple months after it launched. I love that thing and carry it everywhere because it's so small and light, I basically forget I have it until I need it. When I travel it's all I take, and it gets done everything I need it to.
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bought mine used for around 600 USD , only a year old and the battery cycle is around 200, beast of a machine, I still have a desktop PC that is my main driver but whenever I go out I bring that Macbook Air with me, don't have any performance "hangups" when I compare it to my desktop pc
@@jklszxe1705 where did you get it at that price
Price point is the real problem, it’s actually too competitive to bother picking anything else. The M1 chip offers better value than any Windows laptop, I just wish Apple offered an 11” version for $100 less
@@Spazza42 They're on sale at Best Buy for $749. It's one of the best value laptops you can buy for the performance and display right now.
I have the 13" M1 MBP (Yes, with the "Touch Bar") and I love the thing. I can't see upgrading for many years to come. I have a 14" with M1-Pro Chip for work and it is great also. Apple better not try to slow these down just to sell more products.
Dude I still have mine and had it for a year or two and I love it. It’s still so fast and edits 4k insane.
i have the base model MBP 13 M1 and despite only 8GB of RAM, it crushes 4k video editing (compared to an equivalent specced Windows machine at least) and does everything I want it to do. I got the base model because its mainly used as a really good everyday machine, but if I need to do some heavy lifting, its able to do it too. The biggest issue is only 256GB of storage, and it not being upgrade-able. But, such is Apple. Its also good to remember, Apple slowed down old phones *with bad batteries*, not just any old phone to entice you to get a new one. They were shady about it, but it had a legitimate reason.
Same here, i dock it with an external monitor and have used it as a desktop as well.
It's insane isn't it! I love mine
Touch Bar lovers unite. I'm still very fond of it.
I upgraded my m1 MacBook Air to the m2 MacBook Air when it came out purely for the redesign and better display. And I absolutely love my m2… but if I could do it over again, I would probably keep the m1. It was such a fantastic laptop and as cool as the redesign I’d, it’s not a major improvement like I thought it might be.
How much did you resell your m1 for?
I got lucky and bought my MBP in late 2013. A perfect point where it was at the beginning of processors weren't making huge leap and bound improvements, pre butterfly keyboards, plenty of I/O. It's been a good run but starting to save up for a M processor upgrade.
I still have a 2011 MBP, only reason i havent upgraded is due to lack of use, but I think M1 is in my eyesight soon.
i'm still using the 2013 MBP right now, but i bought a 14 inch MBP to replace it a year ago.
Yup me too
Upgraded 6mo ago from mid 2012 MBP to 14” M1 MBP, perfect timing for a significant upgrade after M2 Launch. It is a game changer. The upgrades in speaker, reverted keyboard, and the display are also huge and may be understated behind CPU performance
@@inderpreetsingh3133 it's good for sure
Hearing you say that I probably won't update until probably M4 or M5 made my wallet so happy, lol.
Got myself a base M1 Pro MacBook 14. I had extremely high expectations and it exceed them. It's insanely good. It's extremely hard to get a MacBook with a custom configuration where I live, so it's an only choice. Ended up recommending it to all my friends and most of them also went for it at the end. All of them are extremely happy about it.
its also much better value than the m2 pros
@@epicgamer496 Yep, specially if you consider the storage speed issue on the base M2 Pro MacBook.
Greatest laptop ever
I'm watching from one right now. Love it.
@@stingus true that i forgot about the slower ssd on the bass model
I’m a little selfishly pleased about this 😂 I bought a MacBook Pro M1 10/16 in Dec last year and it’s astonishingly fast and powerful. And almost more importantly, SILENT. Bloody lovely. (It’s my first Apple computer after decades of Windows computers)
It's mostly the fact you can't sell the M1 Macs because the data can't be wiped. Many people already want M2 but they can't buy it because throwing away the old M1 would create a lot of waste, so they will have to keep it for years and years despite really wanting to upgrade to a new model.
@@jurajchobotwhat are you on about
@@jurajchobotbullshit
@@jurajchobot You can sell the M1. Apple silicon macs come with a software called Erase Assistant which is a tool designed to wipe all the data off the mac. All of the intel macs (excluding the ones with the T2 sec chip) require you to reinstall the OS via USB to wipe it. I have no idea what you're on about.
@@jurajchobot they can’t ebay it?
Got myself an M1 Air 2 years ago and it's been fantastic. I have absolutely no reason to upgrade. The performance is waay more than sufficient for my daily tasks, and I actually love the design and the gold color, which you can't get on the M2 air. Even with just 8GB of RAM, I don't see myself buying a new laptop in the next 5 years.
I love seeing this video come up in my feed 2 months after release because I bought an M1 Air and it’s an absolute tank. I went from a 2013 15” MBP i7 QuadCore. Got me through music production and DJ gigging, but now I’m in another stratosphere. M1 was futureproofing so many people’s computing needs.
Love my M1 Air, best computer I've ever used. I think I would really enjoy the M2 Air because it looks nicer and is a bit lighter, but upgrading is out of the question at the moment.
I'm planning on buying a laptop for university this year and M1 air still easily looks like the best value for the money by far, I just hope they won't discontinue it for as long as possible.
Look into the bricking issue when updating the OS. This does not affect intel Macs or M2 units
@@EntertainMeTVwhats that
I’m one of those strange people who actually upgraded from an M1 Air to an M2 air. I bought the M1 at the cheapest spec just because I was upgrading from a top of the line 2013 MBP and I knew that M1 even the cheapest was gonna be leagues better than what I had. But then my work changed and I had to do more heavy coding and video editing work so I decided to stick with the Air but get a proper workhorse of a machine.
I upgraded from the M1 Pro to the M2 Max, and I have to say... I am loving the extra power. I'm a mobile developer and my build times went down from 5 to 2 minutes. It doesn't seem like a lot, but when you're iterating, it saves countless hours. I'm well in the minority, but even a 20 second saving on build times will have me upgrading.
Then tanking the ssd speed without an increase in storage is what would make me go for M1
I use a Mac Air 2013 for work (Zoom, google drive and light browsing) and it it still holds strong! And I have plenty of ports and a SD card reader 😊🎉
Just edited 8 days of event coverage with 4K footage on the M1 MBA and it was smooth and fast.
They should rebrand the 13inch "MacBook pro" to the 13 inch "MacBook". So the lineup would be MacBook Air, MacBook, MacBook Pro.
You think they'd give up the MAX moniker?
And a month later, they announce an M2 Mac Pro!
The m1 was such a leap forward, I think not only the holdouts waiting, but also recent intel users upgraded. Thus not much new adoption for the m2 makes sense. I feel like a macbook is at least a 4-5 year machine before one could feel the need to upgrade.
Precisely, and whoever owns the M1 already and a normal human being wouldn't think of upgrading their still-new $2000 devices 1 1/2 years later...
I got my M2 Air 512gb with the 10-core GPU for the same price as the M1 Air with 512gb last week. The price of the M1 with 512gb here in the Philippines is $1,243 (Php 69,990) and the M2 in my spec is $1,563 (Php 87,990). I could not just pass this deal up because the M2 just looks that much better and the color also matches my 13 mini, which is starlight. Highly recommend the M1 Air still but if you can get a deal on the M2, go for it!
Store reveal ❤
Rest in Piece to the best Mac we ever had.
I'm with you on the JOMO (joy of missing out) on M2 Macs. The only thing I wish my base model M1 13" had was one of the higher RAM/storage combinations. Thankfully, external storage works excellently for me.
what ssd brand do you use?
@@shylady8711 Sandisk and Western Digital.
Been using M1 Pro for nearly a year and it's still killing it. Best laptop I ever owned. Don't upgrade just for the sake of the model!
Why would it not “keep killing it” after only a year ? 😂
I've got a fully spec M2 16inch MBP. 96gb of RAM. I love it. Import 100+ 45mp photos in lightroom and thing is a tank. Not sure what the actual differences are but I like it.
I've bought a Macbok Air M1 nearly 2 years ago, and it's still amazing; probably not going to upgrade anytime soon...
same here. got mine summer 2021. i've been using it as my main computer setup with both internal display and external monitor every day since i got it, but it will probably be my first and last Macbook because my next laptop upgrade will be a windows one for work and gaming.
I bought one in December 2022 and it's awesome!
Same! It can handle everything in my workflow with zero hiccups. Just wish bluetooth and external monitor support was a bit better
Same! Helps that I also upgraded the ram and SSD through Apple, this will be a computer that will last so long
Same here. I had a 2013 MacBook Pro until 2019 previously and I easily expect this to outlast that.
I have an M1 Air and honestly it is great. I don't see myself upgrading any time soon
Just grabbed a M1 Pro 16" from Apple refurbished store for $2400 CAD. Love it.
I have an M1 Macbook Pro 16" and it is phenomenal. I bought it as certified Apple refurb right after the M2 MBP launched at a decent discount. I throw pretty heavy workloads at it as'a software engineer - I can have multiple browsers running alongside emulators while compiling code and I've almost never heard the fans turn on at all. The battery life is fantastic. Easily all day. I previously had a 2019 (?) i9 Macbook Pro 16" and I could barely use the thing for an hour before it died. I'm SO happy with my purchase and without a doubt will be using it for years.
What chip did you buy and Ram amount?
@@willkay7206 M1 Pro 32GB
Got my M1 Air this year for $740 after taxes. It's just unreal I love this thing. The M2 Air has a better display but for $200 less I'll take the M1 Air all day
$740? Did you buy new? I never seen the price being that below MSR
@@alexanderjackson7815 brand new, I have an employee discount but that amount is before taxes
I have been a iPhone user since iPhone 4s but never bought a mac for my own. But the M1 blew my mind .. my M1 Air base model is over 2yrs and still going strong .. hopefully I will be using till the battery dies or any hardware failure ..
I purchased the M1 back in 2020 with upgrades to the ram and SSD. I just recently picked up the M2 15" Air and honestly the performance difference is negligible, especially in day-to-day use. Apple created an amazing laptop but also cannibalized its M2 MacBook Air sales in the process, a loss for Apple but a win for us consumers.
The true issue here is relationship between economics, tech, personal finance and social media. We used to live in a world where consumers wanted to buy something and it last, in order to preserve their personal wealth. Tech device evolution was pretty minimal and “groundbreaking enhancements” happened every few years. But now, social media “pumps” everything….people want everything, so tech companies are constantly pushing the limits to provide these big enhancements constantly…sometimes within less than a year! So you have people buying mid to high end tech products only for them to become mediocre within a year! In a thriving economy where people’s discretionary income is plentiful, people will fall into the trap and constantly buy. But in a less than stellar economy, people stop falling for Apple’s games, and they wake up to financial literacy…. They want their computer to last 5-6 years at minimum (and continue to provide adequate performance), not be forced to buy something new within only a couple of years. Apple has shots themselves in the foot - at the expense of stock gains. They’ve constantly pumped out big upgrades to appease the masses, which boosted their bottom line (and investors), but now once you create those constant expectations, it’s very hard to walk it back…. People now won’t settle for anything less…even though it’s absolutely not realistic. The reality is nobody (consumers, big business, small business) wants to play the long game for success anymore…Everything/Everyone wants instant gratification in everything.
Probably M3 will partially fix the lack of linear performance upgrade when duplicating the chip cores with higher models, and that’s why a mac pro won’t release until then. Otherwise, the extra price for a bigger chip than the Ultra won’t justify by any means.
I’m one of those guys who’s forced to upgrade because when i was cleaning my keyboard some of the keys popped out, got the keyboard replaced with a lower quality keyboard which is very iffy, so im upgrading from m1 MacBook Pro 512gb storage to m2 max 14 inch 2tb storage 32gb ram
I just got the m2 pro Mac mini - an upgrade from my 2017 maxed out MacBook. The performance jump is so insane. I do programming/dev in vs code + web assets in photoshop + light editing in premiere.
The M1 and M2 MacBook Air's price difference is 'serious'. Just for bigger and 'modern' screen won’t justify the extra bucks the M2 asking for.
I'm talking about outside Malaysia. I know there is not much different in the US.
I got me M1 Pro base MacBook and I absolutely agree ....looks like I am not going to look for a new computer for a looooong time and I absolutely love the idea 🙂
You can tell Apple made the Mac Pro before they even knew they were capable of making their own Silicon. Because if they did, the Mac Pro hardware would have never existed. But releasing it, and pricing it as insanely as they did, they've backed themselves into a corner, so they HAVE to support it. Otherwise a lot of customers who bought the tower would be very disappointed that they were promised a modular, upgradable machine, only for it to last a single generation.
The biggest problem with my 2012 MBP is that it's no longer supported for MacOS, so I can't update software. That's what holding me back from buying an M1 now - getting an older model cuts a couple of years off the OS support from my date of purchase :(
I also had the 2012 MBP, and upgraded to the M1 MBP because the 2012 started to give me me problems. My M1 is now a couple years old and it is still fantastic. I love It a lot. I see what your saying about losing a couple years of support, but I can honestly say that I don’t think you would be disappointed with the M1
Tbf, that’s a 10yo model. Even with Windows or Linux, you’re not updating or upgrading the OS for 10 years without _some_ upgrades to the hardware.
@@nameless-user yeah, although I bought it brand new from the Apple store in 2016. It was either that or something fully soldered together for a lot more ££££. The latest supported MacOS came out in 2019. So I basically halved the length of my OS support by buying an older model. That's why I'm not so keen to go M1 in 2023.
If you give people the power to reach moon and then give them an upgraded power to go few hundred miles beyond moon, then no one will choose the latter, especially if the former comes at a better price. M1 is just too good for everyone. M2 is better but the difference is just not worth the money and time.
I have the M1 Macbook Pro and i'm not upgrading before M4.
*1 month later*
Apple unveils the M2 Mac Pro
I really wanted to either get the M2 Air or M1 or M2 Pro but the prices in Europe for these machines are just insane, especially if you are looking for a bit of an upgrade. Gonna be sticking with my M1 Air for quite some time still.
They are cheap get the m1 Mac mini
My m1 studio screams for 4k/ 5k video editing all day long. So productive.
The only exception I see to this is the M2 Mac mini. Mainly because it dropped in price over the M1. Yes, the r/w speed is slower for huge files, but dropping 100 across the board (and with sales, really 200 for 512 version) , it's still great. I did kick up mine to 512/16gb RAM, but it does everything I want (I use M1 iPad Air 5 with keyboard for "laptop" needs).
Btw, my 2020 13" M1 MBP is starting to have stagelights issue (flexgate). Can't believe it!!!
That is bad. Plagued my iBook G3, I swapped cable twice (that was relatively easy these days, $5 for cable plus 1 evening to disassemble replace and assemble thing back). But instead of swapping cable in Air M1 I believe the whole top half with the screen will have to be replaced, that’s crazy amount of money.
I have an 16" MCP M1 Pro and I do light video editing and some browsing. I really just wanted a 16" Apple laptop and the beautiful display. I don't see myself upgrading for like 5 years bare minimum. It's overkill now and I feel like it'll be overkill in 5 years too.
I still have my M1 MacBook Air so this makes me happy. I only wish I paid extra for 16GB RAM. I really hate that we can’t upgrade the RAM later on like we could with previous models.
Not only M1 was really good, but also cheaper. Also, macs are prohibitively expensive in many countries outside the U.S.: e.g., they cost as much as twice as more as PC laptop with similar specs where I live. Apple "tax" is becoming insane in some places.
It really is not that much different here in the US, as Apple has almost always been the more expensive offering here, when you can get a machine for 1/2 to 3/4 cost of an Apple that can do the same things.
In fact overall computers made in the past decade, or so have been so good that with a RAM, SSD, and maybe a GPU upgrade if you're running a desktop, they can still do the vast majority of what people need to do with a computer for daily task just fine.
Lastly let us not forget the economy is in the dumps right now in so many places of the world, that a new computer is one of the last things people are thinking about right now compared how the hell am I going to pay for these groceries that have nearly doubled in price, and still pay my other bills!!
oddly when I shop and really compare tit for tat, the PC and Mac come out about they same. Sure, there are lots of PCs out with skimped on specs which cost less. But they do so because of the skimped on specs. I buy old Macs and with BootCamp, deploy them as PCs. Why, because they run for YEARS. My oldest units are from 2008 (having just retired my 2006 models). Yes, there have been some upgrades along the way. No PC I have bought (or that my friends have bought) have run 24/7 for over a decade without any issue. The PCs always fry themselves. Powersupply fails, fans fail, stuff melts. Not the Macs. They just run and run and run. Every 5-7 years, I replace the SSD.
Currently these new M1/M2 seem super fast for Video production from all the review videos. The M1 Max machines we have bought or not remarkably faster than our older i7 machines with our day to day Creative Cloud work. Most the boost is in read/write of files. So, we have held off on buying anymore. The exorbitant SSD/Memory pricing plays into that. Also, the fact that the MacPro and Studio still languish with outdated hardware.
Who's waiting for software updates after which M1 devices 'suddenly' become slow and overheating?
I am keeping my OS on Mavericks lol! 😂
my buddy went from a M1 to M2 pro..... I asked him... "WHY?"
M2 MacBook Air is also in the refurbished site. Closer to the M1 retail price… worth considering!
Saved up and got the m1 iPad Air. Super happy with it. Usb C, stereo, wifi 6, fast. Should be good for at least 5+ more years.
M1 air is STILL the best price/performance laptop on the market almost 3 years after it’s release day. It’s regularly 799 at Amazon and Best Buy and the M1 chip is still super fast and efficient. Other laptop manufacturers can’t offer an 800 dollar machine with that kind of battery life and performance.
they've been seeing phone sales slow down too and they didn't see that coming with macs too?? stuff is soo good now that the newest isn't needed unless there's new tech u really want/need on it.
Apple needs to do a 24 to 36 month refresh cycle on the new Mac's. They are too expensive to upgrade every year.
Well the m1 processor might be great but the battery sure ain’t. I’ve had my m1 air for 3-ish years and I’m down to 81%. And the laptop never leaves the house. And with 16 gigs or ram so no swap, in my case.
Same I am at 82% on my 16 inch m1 pro after 64 cycles, the battery is 2 years 7 months old, so time is more the enemy it seems, but it doesn't look too bad and it least the battery is affordable and somewhat easily replaceable I think fir an average Joe like me using an Ifixit guide.
They could just add thunderbolt external GPU support. You plug your macbook pro/mac mini etc to a beefy GPU when you need it.
m2 was a minor upgrade that really made no real difference other then you can now get more ram in a base system but who cares about 8 more gigs 16 to 24 is not a leap nore was the power CPU advantage.which is min at best.. M3s i dont see those really doing much better
I regret getting a macbook air m1 cause I thought it could handle my needs in photoshop (not considered that high) but the 8gb of ram just got me and now here i am preparing to buy a windows pc.
Welcome to adulthood
Yee see I've got the m1 air 16gb and it works perfectly for fairly advanced motion graphics and video editing (with proxies)
Hate to say this but, that's sort of a rookie mistake. Photoshop even says it takes up 8 GB of ram alone on the packaging and website specs. You need at least 16gb on any computer basically. It would be worst with an 8gb PC...
@@marcoselielson8180 Got it! All good. Peace from the USA brother. ✌🏽
Yeah I decided to make the invest money of 16gbs and 1TB of storage when I got my M1 Air because I didn’t want to experience this. I feel 16gbs should be the standard Ram to do even office work.
Honest question, I just bought the 1tb M2 MacBook Pro 16" space gray over the weekend. I have 2 weeks to return the thing if I want. Should I downgrade to the M1 just to get some money back? Or just keep the M2? New to Macs kind of, I've had company issued Macs before with the touch bar. But this is my 1st time purchasing one for myself.
If you’re not strapped for money I’d say to keep the m2. Sure it’s not a huge upgrade but it’s an upgrade nonetheless and I would not really want to go through the hassle of trying to return it.
I'm on the last intel macbook pro and I can't wait to switch to apple silicon. I just don't know which one to get because the studio and mini are calling my name but i think i need portability.
m1 air is the best price/performance rate
You really cant go wrong with any one
I have had my MacBook Air M1 for 1.5 years now. I have been using it more for work then personal and it’s been fanatic. Even in low power mode it blazes through everything including non-M1 chip software when it uses that Rosetta program to run it.
can't you just stick the "double stack" GPUs into an external chassis? also the major problem for us users is that big GPU companies like nvidia don't make drivers for macs
Rip mac
You found out the secret, Apple is failing and about to go under.
Yep, picked up an M1 Pro recently. saved $700 for only a 20% performance difference.
The ridiculous thing is, that the improvement from the M1 to the M2 is actually very big, compared to what you would see during intel times(correct me if I’m wrong).
I thought it would be way less than that.
So yes, the problem is really not that they were lazy after revolutionizing the industry. They actually innovated on they’re innovation, but M1 is just too good for most users to have any wishes left 🤯
M2 was the first time when I didn’t think “wow! I need that new MacBook”, it was more like “Ah amazing! But I’m fine”😂
I bought an M1 MacBook Pro.
It’s amazing for the price.
Yeah I doubt I’ll upgrade till Apple makes me do so. 😅😢😅
I think it depends on the system you were using earlier as well... I went from a 2020 Intel Macbook Pro to a 22 M2 Macbook Air.
While I did consider the M1 Macbooks as well the really great ones (M1 Ultra and M1 Max) were more expensive than the M2 Air. M2 Air also has a better screen, speakers, and camera. I was also taken with the Magsafe charger the M2 came with instead of the thunderbolt charger of the M1. I think if budget isn't a concern then M1 Mac pros are definitely the way to go as M2 pros are just far too expensive for essentially the same system, but the M2 air is definitely worth the $200 extra from the M1 Air IMO. However, as I said before, this is heavily dependent on the system you are currently using. Going from 2020 Intel to M2 Apple silicon was AMAZING for me personally, but if you already have M1 Apple silicon then the jump is mostly not worth making right now. The M1 can hold at least for a couple more years.
I went from a 2020 Intel Macbook Air to a M2 Mac Mini Pro.... the biggest increase in performance I have ever seen, upgrading a Mac. staggering really...
I have an M1 Pro. The only thing I regret was not going for 2TB storage. But as for the chip itself, it will good for yeras to come.
Yeah, same with me. It would be nice to have current projects on my MBP, and then back it up on some external. Overall though? I love my base M1 Pro 14
I agree those M1 Gen machines are so good. I got an M1 Pro 14” and an M1 iPad Pro. I think I am set for at least the next 3 years!
I just bought a m1 macbook pro 14 on offerup for $900 bucks. Brand new condition. Traded in my m1 13 inch air for $476 at Apple. I effectively got a pro for about 500 bucks.
A refurbished M1 Air for
The M1 Air is wayyy overpowered with just spreadsheets and slack. I use it for actual professional Software-Developer work. Xcode, Docker, Android Studio, VSCode and the occasional Graphics and Video editing... Switched back from a rental MBP M1 Max and the difference was shockingly small for those applications... (Of course I have an external display)
I got the M1 MBA like a year ago, just a few months before the M2 made it appearance and honestly, it’s still such a good freakin’ laptop. I am a college student so it runs all the programs I need to get things done without any hiccups! I do find that if a page has a lot of content on it, it’ll sometimes reload but that may be due to me getting the 8 GB of ram instead of the 16 GB (lesson learned for my next MacBook laptop purchase). Other than that, it still surprises me at how fast it loads things!
It’s just hard for me to find a reason to upgrade from my M1 MBA when it’s still a beast. It can do exactly 80-90% of what the M2 version does, just in a smaller body. If the M3 MBA is amazing (and worth it) and if I’m willing to upgrade by then, it’ll be nice. But it is safe to say that I’ll definitely be keeping my M1 MBA for at least 2-3 more years from now.
I love my M1 Pro and it'll be around for awhile. I don't see the point of the constant annual updating of the Macbook product line like they do with their phones.
Same! I edit on Final Cut Pro on my MBA 13” M1. I scrub through audio and 4K video off my 4TB thunderbolt external SSD and I’ve had zero issues. Effects and renders are lightening fast. The other day I thought about an M2 and I really didn’t see much difference since my M1 empties out my RAM faster than I can fill it. It’s been awesome!
M1 was so good it made me switch to MBP a while back when I needed to upgrade. It has never skipped a beat
As long as you do NOT have the touchbar. I was so happy with my M1 Macbook Pro until recently, after warranty expired, it started to flash. Sometimes it's off but for the most part, it's on. I am glad, I have an external display, so therefore it does not bother me that much. It is still an issue no one really knows why it started to happen and how to stop it. I have tried almost everything but so far, no solution.
I've got a touch bar MBP and... loathe it to pieces.
was that a Jony Ive thing? It's so very frustrating.
I have the M1 Air and I just love it, Im not doing any professional work on it but still my favorite laptop to watch movies, browse the internet. I don't think an M1 owner should upgrade to M2 ones, especially because of the big price gap. What I paid for my M1 Air is considered expensive for me so I'm not gonna upgrade or change my laptop for at least 8 years
I have an M1 iPad Pro and it's ridiculously overpowered for every ios software in existence
I got the M2 iPad Pro last year (my first ever iPad) and that thing dominates anything thrown at it and then some. It's safe to say I'm sticking with it for the next 5 years
@@jjpark98 bro I’m using an iPad air 2 to reply to your msg, a 9yo chip on an 8yo ipad running iOS 15, it will probably last you 10 more years if its for content consumption
I got an M2 Pro MB Pro & honestly I’m happy af. Idc if people are hating on the M2’s…for those of us who were on an old laptop and are just now upgrading, its absolutely amazing.
Its mostly the people that are fortunate enough to upgrade almost yearly who are the ones that hate on the M2 pro…so im cool with that
Everyone talking about M power me seeing Iluminati signs😮
The problem is these computers are just way too expensive, even by Apple standards. I used to upgrade for multiple specs, like base storage and RAM increasing every other year instead of just the CPU. But every year they still have the same overpriced storage and RAM upgrades as the year before. So it’s just not worth it to pay $4000 for something that functionally isn’t going to make my work any easier or make my experience any better.
Inb4 Apple moves macOS off Intel entirely at WWDC to start forcing an upgrade cycle. “Everything will be better and more efficient if we get rid of the Intel code.”
They might even start hobbling the M1…
I really hope they come out with an iMac 27" this fall.
I have an M1 air for my casual browsing, hobby-level music production, and grad school work. Its so good that I honestly have no intentions to upgrade anytime soon.
What's up with the lighting?
I just recently got the M1 Air. It's an amazing device. My first Mac, though I've had iPhones and iPads in the past. Amazing that an almost 3-year old laptop is still selling and actually performing really good for its price.
The difference in price vs. M2 is just too much, especially for us third world folks. We were really screwed by forex and strong USD.
You got your apple silicon Mac Pro
I live in a very hot region. Temperature is always around 35-40 degree celsius. I am glad, I bought base 2020 m1 macbook pro 13. Its really great. Still at 95 percent battery health. Works same as day 1.
A friend of mine literally just bought an M1 Macbook Pro because everyone on RUclips still says they're great.
From memory, between 2008/9 to 2013 Apple didn’t update the Max Pro either with only a few CPU bumps every 2 years or so. I remember at the time I was going a lot of GPU compute and had to ditch apple after waiting for 2 years for them to update the Mac Pro until I moved to Linux. When they finally updated the Mac Pro it was the trashcan which was pretty terrible as it had no third party GPU support.
They might just be doing the same and giving in a few more years until they put together a new Apple silicon based Mac Pro.
THANK YOU for this unbiased take. The Mac Pro, and all “pro” Mac’s, need hardware accelerated GPU’s for real time Ray tracing. That’s why Unreal Engine, Twinmotion, and other 3D design apps are still running in Rosetta 2 or Windows-only. If Apple can’t engineer that to work on their SOC, they’ve painted themselves into a corner again with a hardware bottleneck. The whole point of the most recent (3+ year old) Mac Pro was that it’s “modular”. I’m honestly about to give up hope for a new Mac Pro as long as Tim Cook is at the helm because that seems to be the innovation bottleneck.
its been about 3-4 years since getting my last MacBook Pro and I'm really starting to consider other options as Macs don't supply the amount of gpu power that id need while working for me to consider them right now. Unless this next event truly blows me away I'm highly unlikely to get a MacBook.
I bought M1 Air five months ago because I really hate notch on my laptop screen, because i don't use laptop camera since every phone does it better, and because it is financially makes more cense. I might get M3 Air 15 inch, if there is no notch.
I have an M1 Mac Mini at home and an Alienware with Nvidia graphics at work - both run Blender and Da Vinci Resolve for my job....
I keep bringing files home to output on the M1 Mini because it's just faster. Optimised software helps - I also use Digital Combustion (PC only software) and that runs the fans on the Alienware like a train even if it's basically Powerpoint with particles.