My Thoughts on Adam Page vs Swerve Strickland - AEW All Out 2024
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- Опубликовано: 18 сен 2024
- From The Stevie Richards Show Episode 12 - I Did NOT Like Adam Page vs Swerve Strickland Spots - AEW All Out 2024
Stevie Richards was not happy with the variety of ridiculous spots "Hangman" Adam Page and Swerve Strickland subjected themselves to in the AEW All In 2024 "unsanctioned" cage match - they used splinters of wood, staples, syringes, chair shots to the head, cinder blocks, barb wire... everything seemingly except for the cage itself!
So what was wrong with the Adam Page vs Swerve Strickland main event? In this video, Stevie discusses not only the variety of potentially career ending spots, but the amount of them all in one match, between two wrestlers who have both switched between babyface and heel multiple times. Where are the checks and balances and why isn't anybody stopping AEW from letting wrestlers from doing whatever pops into their heads? Where is Tony Khan?
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You know Pro Wrestling has gone too far, when we're using a New Jack spot as an example of something that they should've done...
This should be top comment lol
People are morons, Stevie just getting clicks. It's a shame all the actors from horror movies are all dead now. Fucking idiots everywhere.
We need to ban people from getting vaccinated, tattoos, and piercings. Idiots.
New Jack nothing. This is Japan death match stuff. They use syringes in the death matches over there all the time.
New Jack was better than a lot of people give him credit for. Nicer, too. It's just that his bad, violent stuff really stood out for everyone and he kept the kayfabe alive at all times.
"See that? That's REAL cement! Cry me a river!"
“Do something about it”
@@pleaseshutup7053*gets choked a little bit* *suprised pikachu face*
Wow, Stevie's idea about the chairshot leading to a closeup of Swerve spitting out his bloody grill would've been so much better than what they actually did.
It's almost as if you can have 20/20 hindsight on any wrestling match. Like you could sit back and say "why didn't Roman hit both Seth AND Cody with a chair and keep his titles?" Sorta ruins the idea of professional wrestling.
@@Frothmeistershut the fuck up. Stop defending morons doing dumb shit that makes no sense. Anyone could have come up with a better spot than what actually happened.
The point is that Stevie came up with an idea on the spot that was better and made more sense than what those guys actually did in the ring, and they planned that shit and told people they were gonna do it, and no one stopped them...
@@FrothmeisterNo. These guys thought of a hypothetical spot, pictured it in their heads and did it. And now here’s another hypothetical spot, that would’ve looked better.
@@xanaduse Yes.
Eh, shitting on AEW is where the clicks are. The details don't matter to anyone producing the content or consuming it.
I love when Stevie Richards is disappointed and angry because he’s such a nice person lol.
Really respectable guy, makes his statements more pressing on AEW. They shouldn't be doin' that.
If someone from ECW says you went too far, you probably did.
Just depends on how long you want to do this job. If you want to be a pensioner at 40 or earlier, then excessive and / or unnecessary risky bumps and / or (low professionally) deathmatch style are definitely the right choice. I mean no ring deathmatch wrestling gains actually popularity. Wanna guess if the guys are getting old when doing this (weekly)? :)
@@suoquainenbasically Job Moxley right? If only he stayed at WWE. I mean look at Roman and Seth man, no need of crazy spots or crazy deathmatches to get themselves and the story over.
Moxley would've benefitted alot if he stayed put 🤷🏻♂️
@KronosOnTheBeat Mox by his words was absolutely fucking miserable and unhappy but you must know better than him
@@MrThesupremeking what does that have to do with him making money and not having to do ridiculous spots that can permanently injured him ? Also id rather be unhappy and miserable than be in that god awful match with the sparklers in the ring 🤣. Way to go mox you want from being used absolutely horrible in WWE to being the laughing stock of the Internet no wonder he went to rehab.
@cjm4045 oh your one of those weird ppl
The cinderblock is perfect for AEW. It no sold the bump.
If the cinder-block keeps learning it's work rate. Very soon it will learn to do a Canadian Destroyer after it no sells the bump.
Nothing sells in AEW.
Wrestlers... cinder blocks... tickets... merchandise...
@@TheSBleeder Because wrestling fans have poor taste if they'd rather go to WWE and buy a shirt that says yeet in 2024
I’d rather be seen in a silly Yeet shirt than any Young Bucks merch. Those two are little dweebs that Jey Uso would laugh out of the building. Jey looks like a wrestler, the bucks look like Christian youth group brats that glued pubes to their faces and are pretending to be adults.
@@Saddler1944 get Dustin Rhodes out of AEW and suddenly WWE is the Canadian Destroyer company but don't let the narrative that was pounded into your head 5 years ago by some bitter old dude on the internet leave yuh.
My favorite Logan Paul WWE finishing move is the CRYPTOCRUSHER where he steals his opponents wallet mid-match, investing the money into NFT and cryptoscams; bankrupting them into submission.
@@franklingoodwin I don't watch AEW you dolt. Nice inference there.
That's a title winning maneuver
Any other person would worry about the other unaliving themselves after that, but not good ole, Logan. To him it's an opportunity 🤑
Hilarious
Lol it's not him that did that, it's his tag partner
So getting powerbombed on to a concrete cinder block isn't a stretcher job? Would have made it much more legit and had people asking the injury question.
I remember a japanese match where they had cinder blocks or so over the whole ring mat. Dunno if it's still here, but that was a tough match where they definitely couldn't do crazy moves. :)
Getting a single piledriver in the middle of the ring used to be an ambulance spot...
@@suoquainenthat sounds really dumb. Why have a match where the point is to take ridiculous bumps, in which you cant possibly do so?
@@bipolarminddroppings yes but that was simulated violence with the 2 guys protecting each other. Can't really do much but hope when it comes to a cinder block. Don't defend garbage.
In a real, non indieriffic company, yes. But they gotta get their 💩 in, psychology be damned.
if stevie, a hardcore legend, say that your "extreme" and "violent" spots dont make sense. he is probably right
"A hardcore legend" 😂
Shit like this is why Cody left his own company.
Cody left because fans wanted him gone not because of this sort of match. Cody early WWE days had hardcore matches all a sudden he thinks he is better than every other wrestler.
Yo, tell me again why Shawn Spears was called the chairman again?
You're an id!0t lol he left cos fans didn't want him (or they wanted him heel but he didn't agree to it) 🤷
@@mikhaelpence570 He has the undisputed title in the #1 company. By definition he is better then every other wrestler 😂
@@fentown2 so getting hit with a chair or going through a flaming table is the same thing as falling through a pane of glass from 30 ft like Darby Allin, landing on a cinder block or getting a hypodermic needle push through your gums? 🤔
I don't know what's worse, the talent that thought this would be a good idea or the management that let it happen.
Both
They did it for the stars. Wasn’t this the only match with a 5* rating? This is what happens when you wrestle to pop Meltzer and not grow your audience.
@@raysiva Meltzer makes it up as he goes, the CVV interview where he asked him the criteria for ranking matches was a perfect example.
The management is 💯 more at blame
@@raysiva it got 4.5 stars. The ospreay one was the only match that got a 5.
Saw a comment that explains this whole nonsense perfectly:
“Powerbombed onto a cinder block
Kicked out at 2”
(What are we even doing here)
AEW has no idea that most people are over excessive violence and blood for the sake of shock. It hasn’t been a thing for around 2 decades.
They're feeding off and indulging Moxley et al's personal issues with exhibitionistic self-harm, it's in such poor taste,
Glad they're bringing it back
That’s because AEW is catering to its own fan base. AEW fans had no problem with it and loved the match.
@@Chessbox09 you want them to cater to wwe fans?
@@PTS_2112 No I don’t, that was my point actually. I’m happy AEW is sticking to its identity and not catering to mainstream ideals of what constitutes “ real wrestling “.
I get the feeling that Tony Khan doesn't live in the real world where people get seriously injured.
He sees the talent as superheroes and not human beings.
He's extremely short-sighted and doesn't think about any long-term consequences.
There's a reason ECW went out of business. You can't do that stuff forever.
AEW: Where the best shoot each other with AK-47's & win with roll ups & call with "wrestling."
A friend used to buy the largest aluminum oil drip pan from Autozone to use in hardcore matches. Why? Felt like paper getting hit with it but it sounded like a gun going off.
smoke and mirrors, as it should!
I mean, if you're gonna do that sorta shit, you do it in a smart way
Same reason I like cookie sheets more than chairs,
Similar spot but one is much louder and safer
Same with metal trash cans. They are loud as hell but fold like paper and weigh nothing
To each their own… but this type of wrestling is not entertaining to me.
This is like backyard mud show wrestling where the performers HAVE to do crazy/idiotic/extremely dangerous spots because those performers do not have the talent/experience/knowledge of how to actually do Pro Wrestling.
Swerve and Page don’t have that excuse.
Couldn't agree more.
But apparently by some comments on others videos Swerve likes to do this things by his background resume...
that's why its rare but in the world of getting thrown off the top of cages, New Jack, the entirety of ECW, and how ECW is looked at fondly it 'can' come off as hypocritical sometimes. I generally hate these matches too but at least, in kayfabe, it was "unsanctioned"
grow a pair
I remember watching old backyard wrestling matches and one of them had a needle spot and yeah it wasn't great. Oddly enough the crazier these matches get and the smaller the crowds get you're starting to see this go from an ECW/TNA not a huge crowd to suddenly there is hardly anyone there because most people don't want to or won't let their kids see this.
Every time something like this happens, they prove that CM Punk was right about Jack Perry. But they ain't ready to hear that.
Or CM Punk is just a hypocrite like 17 years ago. CM Punk need to look into his past before shitting on other wrestlers if he really thinks he had no influence for upcoming wrestlers.
@@mikhaelpence570punk was never this retarded back then
@@mikhaelpence570 I realize you're a moron, but please stop and put a little thought into what you just said.
@@mikhaelpence570HOW? He’s not a hardcore wrestler lmao, if anything guys like Mick Foley, Tommy Dreamer, Or Sandman are to blame, what an utterly ridiculous statement.
@@mikhaelpence570also 17 and 7 are 2 different numbers. Lol
I’m a huge Swerve guy but this match was fucking stupid. AEW and it’s niche audience are absolutely nauseating
Did you watch what led to this type of match? You clearly missed the point why the match was over the top.
Well, it's wrestling, not "sports entertainment".
Stupid 🤡 @@MikeBeltMikeBelt
@@MikeBeltMikeBelt Exactly. That’s why one guy broke into the others house and bragged about it on TV. because it’s not sports entertainment 🙄 you’re literally watching WWE lite and coping.
@@MikeBeltMikeBeltit's neither. It's outlaw bullshit that appeals to mouth breathers.
I think it's time the AEW fans just come out and say they don't care about the wellbeing of the talent. They just want carnage and don't care how they get it.
I don't even watch AEW, but I'll ask you this. Do you like Mankind and Undertaker in the hell in a cell match?
@@gh0rochi363 nope
@@al5306but most people do...would you say that those wwe fans didn't care about their talent...almost as if the fan view doesn't matter in this case...its the wrestlers and the management
@@tuanmohdarfantuankhusairry2977 if a fan wants to see more stuff like that then they don’t care about the talent. None of us know these people personally, but if we’re entertained by them we should want to see them have long careers and not delete themselves doing this kind of crap.
I'll wholeheartedly admit it
I enjoy what I’ve managed to see of AEW but the cinder block is the first time I’m in agreement with people that say someone will die in an AEW ring and I truly hope we’re all wrong
I MIGHT have liked this when I was 13. It’s absolute garbage today in my mid-30’s. The worst part of AEW doing this gory stuff is that they don’t follow up. Kris Statlander and Willow haven’t done anything of note since the PPV. Swerve is off TV right after Hangman was off TV for months. During the Attitude Era, WWF would’ve taken that picture of Swerve with the needle in his mouth and put it on the cover of their Magazine, on the back of a shirt, Swerve would’ve been raising hell all through the next TV. Nothing AEW does means anything because they can’t sustain momentum. People are shaving time off their careers and they aren’t even getting over.
Exactly. Most teens and preteens are unbearably contrary and stupid and driven by hormones/basic emotions, and no-one should be catering to their tastes. There's a reason we don't let them vote and drive and have jobs until they're at least 16, why should anyone be booking a wrestling promotion around what would appeal to them?
Why would Statlander, Swerve or Willow be on TV after having matches like that. People like you would've complained that they no-sold a grueling, physically taxing match like that.
@@gusfring9194 Why are you assuming I’m talking about a match? I’m talking about strengthening their character, memorable promo/angle and reacting to getting dropped reproductive organ first on thumbtacks. I guess I’m the stupid one though, right? I know when Vince McMahon would screw Steve Austin, Austin take 3 months off afterwards right?
@@anthonyp6823 I never mentioned them having matches. I referred to them appearing on TV. Swerve or Danielson cutting a promo on TV a week after those matches would've lessened the impact. The Dynamite video package was the better choice.
@@gusfring9194 Absolutely, ratings and attendance are great. They’ve done an awesome job building stars.
Swerve has stapled stuff to his face before. Anytime he gets in the ring with Cowboy trash this happens.
Lance storm said it best, "we broke all the rules, then we found out why the rules were there to begin with"
Stevie is right. I appreciate his view. The chair shot was insane visually. The powerbomb on the cinder block is what made me cringe more than everything else.
Stevie is a bum
Page doesn’t listen to agents or veterans this is where the whole punk beef started from
So many points Stevie made were spot on, like when he said what is the payoff for a plastic bag? And AEW's idea is to not have Danielson do anything with Moxley or BCC, but to have a "dream" match against Nigel McGuiness. I would like to think if I had someone try to suffocate me, I would want some payback as soon as possible. Also, wouldn't it have been better to have the plastic bag spot start, Danielson struggle for a little bit but then realizes it's only a plastic bag and just rips it which would cause Mox to just choke him out making it look even more brutal.
I just can't believe Daniel Bryan actually agreed to that spot.
At the 5:40 mark, and then, “at the finish…”
As if landing on a cinder block WASN’T finish material…
"Everytime they do stuff like this, they prove punk right" well said.
Even a dodgeball to the head can cause a concussion. I'm not against them doing what they want but there is a reason why chair shots to the head have stopped.
Heading a Soccer ball has been proven to cause brain injury. AEW is actually so salty about peoples reaction to Jungle Jack off's Unprotected chair shot. Their answer was to do another one to show how "safe" it is.
Cody vs Solo showed what a real steel cage match should be like
Boring?
@@jp27fcp That is the problem at the mo AEW to cartoonish and WWE can be to safe there needs to be a middle ground
Both guys if left to selling out seats would fail. Solo has no identity outside the bloodline, and Cody without his hair dye and a heel turn is a crying babyface.
eastwaters
Both are still more successful and draw more than Pegwarmer Hangma’am Page who whines and cries in AND out of the ring way more than Cody’s CHARACTER about anything and everything. Guy cried about being told to listen to wrestling veterans for his own good! Page is Bungle Boy if Bungle Boy lifted a weight 3 times a week.
@@nickhughes8179 Solo draws? James Ellsworth was even a draw, that’s a low bar. Like I said, when all this Bloodline shit is over, let’s how many stars get made.
They just had a match on smackdown and probably implemented the cage better in the match than in this ppv
Because that match told an story: The Bloodline being trapped on the Cage WITH The Original Tribal Chief 👍
I saw that, Cody Vs Solo! Good story telling
@@elijahmiller6187 boring
what if someone actually enjoyed both?
Oh that one storyline that’s been going on for 3 FUCKING YEARS?
Stevie makes a great point here. In a cage match, the cage IS the weapon. That's the whole point. All this extra shit is just dumb and unnecessary.
Pro wrestling, for the most part, is meant to be two people telling a story about why it is that they're fighting each other, using moves that look real and hard-hitting but are as (relatively speaking) safe as you can make them. For the most part, AEW is two people working together to do things that they think look cool or will "wow" people, using moves that often look extremely choreographed and/or nonsensical but can be incredibly dangerous.
Obviously there are exceptions with every promotion, but AEW has it ass-backwards.
that backyard wrestling for ya. czw done some thing back in day some pvps
@@zotmaster this particular match was the blow off to a very long story and it did the job perfectly
@@joelowdon1615 To marks like you maybe. How is a stapler gun or syringe gonna help anyone win a fight? Just shock spots for the sake of it. I am not even gonna go into how dumb the cinder block or the chair shot was
@@joelowdon1615 And the weapons? The random single cinderblock? The staple gun that both wrestlers took turns using on each other, at the urging of the other? The tool chest that contained...a hypodermic needle? What's the story on that? The answer is simple: there isn't one. They thought it would be cool, so they did it.
And what about the cage? Stevie commented on this: the cage barely even played a role in the story of the match. This would have still been mostly nonsense as a street fight, but that still would have made more sense than the cage.
@@randomguy8893 it wasn't about winning the fight, it was about hurting the other man and ending the feud beyond the confines of a normal wrestling match. They've tormented each other and tortured each other for months and this was the logical conclusion. It's not hard to follow if you watch the show.
Seeing the needle spot, I mirrored James at 7:09. Even myself being someone who has to self-!nject (carefully and safely) at home for health maintenance, I felt this a bridge too far. One of those SAW films did it less hackily. It was a pointless, cheap spot and in poor taste, especially given the events of recent years. And they're lucky that no vessels were nicked or no air was injected by accident, that could have been disastrous. Sterile conditions and steady hands are a requisite when handling syringes.
36k views with only 42k subs in 1 day is very impressive. Especially since most wrestling podcasts have covered this already. Really shows how much people value Richards’ insight
I still suspect that someday a wrestler will bring a gun to a no DQ match, to shoot his opponent as soon as the bell rings, then the ref raises his hand then the police escort him out.
kids in American schools pr😅bably are too used to this
Blackcraft Wrestling wanted to do a similar spot with New Jack and PCO but thought it was too on the nose
Someone needs to outright Mythbusters the idea of sanding down a steel chair to make it less dangerous, at this point. Construct something that can swing a chair down onto a force plate, using something like compressed air so that every swing can be done consistent with the same force, see if the amount of force being exerted on the plate is actually noticeably different between an unmodified steel chair & a sanded/filed down steel chair, and then see how each compare to what's generally considered the minimum amount of force needed to cause damage (or at least a concussion) to a human skull/brain.
I wouldn't be shocked if the results show a relatively negligible difference... and both versions wind up still being dangerous, regardless.
We know enough about CTE at this point in time not to be hitting anyone in the head with anything harder than a pool noodle or a damp t-shirt. It's not worth someone's mental and physical health.
I talked to someone about this idea a while back too. Someone should make a chair similar to this toy chair I had as a kid, where the middle of the chair is the soft part and would show an imprint of someone’s face
@@pendafen7405 And the fact that we're now seeing wrestlers do things like shave down steel chairs in an effort to (supposedly) dullen the effect on their heads shows that, without any sort of hard numbers, there are people who seemingly don't want to believe it & still want to look like they're tough guys who can take it, like back in the day.
Aew no pg bro😏
The biggest problem I think is that Swerve STAPLED himself in a match less than a year ago to prove how tough he was. So what would a needle do to him? What would a needle do to anyone? It just doesn't make any sense at all, neverminding how gross and idiotic it is otherwise.
Is fake needle disgusting? It does nothing.
MikhaelPence
Move the goalposts for AEW and this spot all you want, but you’ll never get them back past stupid.
@@nickhughes8179 sounds like WWE retarded matches such as CM Punk wrestling over a stupid friendship bracelet.
Didn't bro wrestle for ECW? The level of hypocrisy is insane
they did some stupid stuff in ECW but it was nowhere near stupid as AEW stuff
It's as if they are trying to derail their tv deal. Absolutely dumb and advertisers are watching.
I'm seriously considering writing to my country's broadcast regulator! AEW syndicates on free TV here. I don't think they'd be thrilled with the idea of stabby McNeedles!
@@Jono793 what a huge bundle of sticks you are 😂😂
@@Jono793You are a 🐀
@@Jono793 holy shit imagine wasting this much time and energy on that
@@SWWonders Homophobia isn't a good look. You see a lot of this with AEW fans.
The funniest thing about this match is that Dave Meltzer, despite saying this match left a sour taste in his mouth he still gives it 4.5 stars. What a fucking joke.
it was good .
@@sethxtekkenit was a terrible, garbage exhibition.
Dude, is a AEW simp. What would you expect Dave to give it? It’s proper DUD rating?
We need a wrestling version of Mythbusters. Create some ballistic dummies with force-nomitors in the head and neck. Create a machine that can swing the chair with the force that a typical wrestler would. Measure the force and impact of a normal chair versus the "shaved down" chair that the sickos have bought into.
I can see AEW's future under Tony. Slow fade into even lower viewership numbers, more spending, and less coherent booking. He will pump millions into this until someone higher than him (maybe his dad?) has had enough. Who do they think they are capturing with this programming? Do they really think normal people want to watch this garbage?
Bingo! Imagine running the syringe and bag spots during tv negotiations.....
The nWo did a cinder block spot in WWE, when they smashed it over Austin's knee prior to WM X8, and indeed it broke apart making a good visual.
And it was very obviously not a real cinder block. It was way too light and crumbled to dust as soon as it touched Austin's knee.
And it hit his brace.
Adam Page should have been fired when he said he wouldn't take advice from Arn, Tully, or Jake. Page is as over as an open bar is Mecca.
That's not what he said.
He should have been fired when he went off script while in the ring with Punk.
Adam 'Charisma Vacuum' Page.
AEW lacks all of the psychology of what makes a good feud and what makes a good match. It’s all just for shock value. which is getting old.
Can anyone name one AEW cage match that was actually just a good cage match? I sure can't. They always bring a hundred weapons in and it ends up being a TLC match or something like that with a burning table and barbed wire
I never seen them use a burning table in a cage match. I need to see that shit, that sounds badass.
cody vs wardlow, bucks vs lucha bros, ftr vs house of black, jungle boy vs luchasaurus
The worst part of the chair shot is that chair shots to the head have been blamed at such a highly publicized level for brain injuries and early deaths of so many wrestlers, that they either have to basically tell the world “we don’t care about safety” and accept the criticism or literally tell people or let “leak” out that the chair is gimmicked and expose the business. It’s the worst idea possible.
I'm telling you, if they are paying someone to "Sand Down" chairs.. yes you can GIMICK a chair, by cutting into the structure Points, but to think the would sand the chair to make it thinner.... seems it would be cheaper to just order them from thinner material.. but from experience, thin metal is more dangerous then heavy metal... like a razor blade no matter how dull the edge.
It was more than a sand down chair the seat part was looser so it can flip easier instead making a full impact not saying that would prevent from a head injury. It really does not matter because anything that hits your head is a bad idea.
Tony Khan lets the roster do whatever they want. They have no filter or agent protecting them from dumb stuff.
Honestly, they painted themselves into a corner with this feud in a way. They ratcheted up the hate the vitriol to level 11 and felt that they had to go the shock and awe route to top everything else that had already happened.
Their goal, from a storytelling perspective was to show how deranged Hangman has become and how low that he would stoop to destroy Swerve at any cost. I was there live and the match felt appropriately intense but, like this video, I can't applaud some of the most dangerous spots. Could they have better used the cage? Sure, but there were absolutely cage spots in the match so much of that critique seems overblown.
I applaud this channel's emphasis on the safety of the workers. You do spend a disproportionate amount of time ragging on AEW though.
Aew does alot more dangerous stuff than wwe in the modern age tbf, in terms of safety for the talent, there is deffo way more to criticise today than wwe
Cause it honestly deserves it
@@petebagwell6666 WWE knows their talent are assests, AEW allows dumb shit that can injure their stars after 1 match
The first time I saw a cinder block used was in ECW when Brian Lee put a cinder block on Tommy Dreamers stomach and smashed it with a chair
Stuff like this is why I Quit watching wrestling.
I have a phobia of hypodermic needles, so I haven't seen this spot and wont ever. I really want to hear what Stevie says, but hes not gonna actually show it? Thank fuck.
Mox can't actually choke him out based on him getting choked out by the guy 50 lbs lighter in BJJ.
Mox can only choke Effy while Effy chokes the chicken.
13:12 you'd think Moxley would have had a word of warning about selling the cinderblock, considering what happened with one of his vs Bray Wyatt (rip, sorry to drag you into this King) back in the WWE
People that don't watch AEW commenting AEW.
There is a reason for why each match was what it was, if watched they would have known about the Page and Swerve hate and another thing AEW is accused of not having, lkng term story telling.
I watched every piece of media that involved both of them. It was a shit match. Spots had zero storytelling and made absolutely no sense.
Give us the reasons here. So we can laugh at you and just how incredibly moronic you are. I know you won’t because having to explain it always ends up with the AEW stan disappearing when their “story” they made up in their head makes no sense and every starts to poke holes in it by using AEW own videos and logic.
So please, explain the stories to us
Seeing that match made me reconsider my watching of wrestling. I stopped watching in 2013 and 6 months ago began watching again….. I am out….. I don’t need to ever see something like that again.
Wow what a baby 😂
Thumbtack Jack a German death match guy popularized the needle spot . His opponent would jab two needles in his mouth making an "X" formation , but each needle would pierce completely through both sides of his cheeks and the opponent would then squirt the liquid out each side of TJ's face !!! Crazy and sickening to see . I do not justify it as it is totally unnecessary , but that is where the spot came from .
The idea came from that AEW was never going to do that and the needle was not going to pierce through swerve cheeks as you can see it barely stayed in his mouth. That sort of crap was done plenty of times in Japan hardcore matches. The only reason people are overly shocked is that this happened in a mainstream company but on PPV not on cable network and in 2024. Not sure why this is a big deal when it is a PPV match.
Was waiting for Cornette’s take got it and boom now I get another great take from the man himself!
He has the right to censor.
Lol that thumbnail is gonna bring the Tony Drones for sure
It's ok, we can handle those little ungrateful, flaming sacks of hogshit anytime lol.
Their mom has to pay for their Internet first
Who knew Stevie would become the real life right to censor
Why is everybody so worried about this chair shot? A man was Powerbombed spine first onto a cinder block! Are you telling me that a single concussion beats crippled?
Also wonderful show and take Dr.Stevie
Maybe its all powder
@@joenelsaracho4836 Did it look like powder? Did it burst into a cloud? Did it collapse and become brittle like Styrofoam? Or did it hold its shape like concrete? Maybe it a Lego brick in disguise, a plastic brick that large and the wrong amount of force could paralyze from the waist down
Everyone involved agreed - this is safer than half the moves!
Just because you can doesn't mean you should
More safer than a twenty minutes headlock match!!
Take a tiger driver ‘91 or have a blunted fake needle stuck in my mouth. I know what I’d choose!
@@romelmunoz7957Can you point me to one of those matches? Everytime I ask you morons to share a match like that y’all just disappear or make excuses.
Also a lot dumber than 99% of the moves.
That cage match should be the blow-off between Swerve and Hangman. Now they should let Page run wild with this character now that he has no one he can turn to while Swerve has time away from AEW.
Love the show, Stevie - Keep up the great work!
The bag over the head is irresponsible asf! Kids watch AEW
No one under 18 can order a ppv.
AEW's ratings and buy rates keep going down, so these risks aren't helping the company at all. The extra attention they get on podcasts like this isn't bringing in more fans. There's literally no point other than getting star ratings from Dave Meltzer.
WBD still giving them that tv deal lmaoo
rating decreased hahaha 🤣 are you putting out wrong facts
I was in the crowd for that show. It was easily the most brutal hardcore match i had ever seen. It reminded me of the semi-pros in Mid-American Wrestling in the 90s. Those dudes would basically kill each other for a shot at ECW.
ECW ECW EV.2! I'll see myself out.. love the show... THIS SHOW. Not AEW good lord absolutely lose dem der brain cells..
pretty sure that last part is accurate, as I'm convinced most AEW stans/simpathisers have less than 1 brain cell to rub together
Dude..... Stevie is really fucking selling me lately. I really really like where he is mentally
Why for the shock and awe
What a stupid ass reason since the only shock was “are they really this stupid?” and no awe.
Stevie if you read this I want you to know that you would be:
1. A great agent for matches etc
2. A wonderful heel like general manager like they have had in weeks. You have the experience with RTC. I just wish you got a push in a role like that like Jon laryngitis did back in 2012. You would be better than him also.
He really would
Weird how Hangman literally drank Swerve's actual blood last year and didn't get a fraction of the outrage.
Um, it did. Plenty of people called it stupid. Stevie didn’t have this show last year. Use your brain.
@@benjaminubben4436 the cry babies called it stupid
@@davidcoombsbestmegadethalb9780 the retards called it good
@@davidcoombsbestmegadethalb9780and inbreds loved it
powerbomb on the cinderblock is the worst bump i’ve ever seen personally and swerve is going to regret it later if he doesn’t already
If Paul did this in ecw you’d be on his nuts calling this a classic moment
Well said and now WWE treats Paul as king of storytelling in wrestling the guy who never cared for his wrestlers.
@@mikhaelpence570 yea apparently people could’ve been treated better. I think everyone in ecw was fucked up or crazy tho, I’ll fault Paul heymen for not paying his wrestlers, but as far as the actual show or their decisions, nah. I was never bored, and that’s a big issue with all of today’s wrestling for me. Most of these guys are boring. This match wasn’t boring and tk is paying them millions
I think that if Paul did this in ECW, it would be more than just a throwaway spot used solely to appeal to overstimulated viewers who cannot be entertained by anything other than extreme violence
@@LoveEatingBricks That was how ECW was. There were barely any storylines in ECW but producing another extreme match. Why do you think ECW made a significant impact back then? Because of the type of violent matches, they would have. ECW made a name not only for being Extreme but because of its underground VHS tapings or available on most public access networks.
@@LoveEatingBricks it wasn’t a throw away spot, it was the finish of the match and people are making videos about it. So it worked. That’s the opposite of a “throw away spot”
I’ll remember that cage match for the REST OF MY LIFE.
The seemingly “dangerous” spots in this match were way safer when compared to PAC vs Osprey.
The cinder block could have crippled him.
2:30 the psychologically of the cage was a simple plot thread, that the easiest way for either of them to ever win is to just walk away.
AEW is an internet smark wrestling company
no its not
Ratings definitely say it is
@@danielh5583 f the ratings you all obsessed with numbers it really isn't it is the alternative
In 2003, Eric Bischoff broke a cinder block on J.R.'s head. That's the only time I've seen a cinder block used.
But the spots Stevie Richards used to do were fine during ECW? I love it when Ex Hardcore/Extreme wrestlers shit on other wrestlers who push the envelope. Wonder how he feels about CZW and would Stevie Richards have done that in place of ECW.
Do you actually remember any spots that he did ecw that are remotely close to what they did at all out
He explained that.
AEW goes too far not because of the spots themselves but because they don't make sense and they cheapen absolutely everything around it.
I was there and loved every second of the entire PPV. To each their own
This isn't wrestling, this is like back 20+ years ago when Jackass were popular and bunch of high school kids wanted to mimic that, whoever does the more stupid thing. And just so it happens around that time garbage wrestling was still popular.
If two guys want to beat each other for real and look like tough guys, there is MMA, boxing, etc. that they can join, train and do that thing for a living. NOBODY thinks these wrestlers are tough by hitting each other with objects. People in the crowd know it's scripted, but the worst thing is many don't even think those stunts actually hurt a lot. They are hurting their bodies for bunch of clowns to laugh at them and have fun. Tony Khan is really the wealthiest garbage wrestling fan on earth.
Not your match, not your company, not you career, not your choice.
These men told THEIR STORY. That's up to them. Y'all, all y'all, need to stop and step back.
They're gonna be fucked up and crippled by 40 but hey at least u got your entertainment rn
Yes, how dare this man give a shit about idiots trying to cripple themselves in the name of "wrestling". Like others have said, when someone who used to wrestle for ECW says that something is fucking stupid, maybe the stuff these guys are doing now is fucking stupid.
@@paullaing5921 It's their decisions, not one of us asked for them to do any of that, who are any of you to tell them not to make their own decisions.
Bottom.
@@paullaing5921 They're not babies, or being coerced. They are grown men who are professionals, and mutually consented to do this. You guys act like they are victims or something, it's tired.
Referencing Jackass was the perfect point. It's like when copy cats were coming out and they were upping the danger but missing what made Jackass great. Its the use of humor and the characters which would be the equivalent to the psychology missing in AEW. it's gratuitous and it sucks. I find myself saying "but why?" constantly
If you've seen ECW this was child's play
even Sabu says the crap aew is completely unnecessary
@@jimmyju76 ECW nearly unalived guys so not quite on that level yet
more like czw minus blading . dangerous spots , ecw was more mild but more blading
@@LordDeBahs Not a hope ECW gave folks CTE & put them in early gravez
2:19 not using the cage was Larson‘s criticism of this match from the going in raw podcast
AEW > WWE
"They made Punk right" is probably the most cutting comment that can be made about the situation.
Punk vs drew ending with hell in a cell
@@pleaseshutup7053 not sure what you're saying
Have to disagree Stevie yes it was unsafe but it was a blood feud in the story most fans already know the ins and outs of wrestling for as crazy as it was in hangman's ark this made perfect since this is exactly why you should watch the whole match it even made since after hangman hesitated and looked scared and then doubled down at the ending shot
True. They didn't even see the match and followed the story. Everything had a purpose for this hatred/blood fued. Most of the comments here are from people who don't follow the product or didn't see the ppv. Just the clips and discourse online.
He pushed air bubble out of syringe 😂
People just dogpile on AEW regardless of they are doing. The match was great the chair shot fulfilled it’s purpose the syringe spot was not as bad as some people think (looked harmless to me) its just that the spot itself was kinda unnecessary imo.
Guess I found all the aew marks
@@tlmreacts whose mark are you?
And remember, this is coming from a guy who worked for ECW....
Its clear Tony Khan has no fucking clue what he is doing, he must be watching all the old episodes of ECW, RAW, Smack down abd WcW on the network in the evenings.
And as Richards says he then must be thr one in the back and say "You know what would be cool that none have tried"
I live near brisbane where aew is putting on a show in february. I work with 2 middle aged women who are lapsed wrestling fans who might be interested in going. One of them was talking to me about it and she said "i like Daniel Bryan but i saw a picture with his face covered in blood (from the Wembley show); do they do that kind of thing a lot?"
This stuff is costing them money.
I'm on Brissy too. I don't think they will fill up a stadium here with those ticket prices
Respectfully, someone who didn't watch the show, doesn't watch the product, and probably doesn't understand the story going forward - it's hard to take this person's opinion entirely to heart. Like him making note of them not using the cage as a weapon and it being unnecessary is entirely false. They used the cage plenty. It was done as method to keep them contained. They already had a Texas Death Match. They didn't need another match like that.
I respect his opinion on the danger as someone who did this for a living, but his critiques of their product is a little ridiculous when he isn't really educated on their programming.
Also it's the Blackpool Combat Club.
Also in like, a week or whatever, will Stevie eat crow when AEW gets an increase to north of $170M per year for just WBD, possibly more with PPVs on MAX, and possibly more with a Fox show?
Those two dopes went out there thinking they'd come off looking like tough guys but instead looked like Johnny Knoxville and Steve-O.
I kinda agree with Stevie. I get they wanted violent but they keep drifting further and further into weirdo territory.
There deep in weirdo territory at the mo remember when tony said he books for the sickos lol
They are copying GCW with their stupid death matches. I wouldn't be surprised if Jon Moxley has a role in this.