This Weird AMD Motherboard Has A Built In CPU And Ram!?
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- Опубликовано: 16 сен 2024
- A rare Goodwill find, this ECS Elite Group motherboard has a built in AMD K7 Duron 1800+ pro and 256 MB of SD Ram Paired it with a Radeon 9700 Pro and I clean it up and test it out to see if its worth building a retro system around!
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Nice TechLinked shirt lol
Jack McDonald yeah
I spotted the shirt right now.
it's also a LinusTechTips T-shirt
Two quick notes Timmy, that particular Duron was more like the third iteration of the K7 it was for certain preceded by the thunderbird and thoroughbred came out in 2003, the SE on Windows 98 SE is "Second edition" not special edition. Looks like you had at least a little bit of fun with this old tech Windows XP was more period correct for this but 98 SE will run insanely well with it. Looks like almost everything in CPUz was wrong as well the Duron 1800 had a 13.5x multiplier and should only be drawing 1.5v. PS2 keyboards aren't hot swap capable they have to be plugged in before power up or else they don't detect in the bios and if the bios doesn't catch it windows can't.
"1800+ Pro" and Morgan generation means that this is 2nd gen. 1.75V is normal, actually. That branding is misleading, but this chip is actually running at 1.2 GHz.
When i press read more the comment changes to "Nerd"
Windows XP was also a much better OS than 98. Also, XP was much better for running DOS apps.
@@AliYassinToma lmao
and you're wearing a linus tech shirt! i love it. great video, old hardware is amazing
Yes, the Duron does have 64k L1C, 64k L1D and 64k L2, but the caches on this series are exclusive, lines are not present in both, so the Duron has 192k total of which 64k is code, 64k is data and 64k is any. If the motherboard allows multipler selection, you can enable by pencilling in the L1 bridges
He bout to hit us with that LGA tape mod
Wow I havnt seen a purple board since I built an old athalon system on an ECS board (K7S5A if memory serves). I did the old trick if using the mobile 2500xp and overclocking it and I loved every moment of that build! Ah, pure nostalgia!
Anyway, its 3.30am here in the UK and whilst the sensible side of me says "sleep" - the night-owl is very much appreciating another kick-ass (and more positive video from yesterday's) from my main man T-to-theJ! Love ya homie!
Yep I also had a Athlon XP-M Barton 2500+ used the pencil mod to get what I wanted out of that great CPU.
I had also 2500+ Athlon-Xp mobile version, and this processor doesn't need any pencil mods. Just put in the socket and cooler onto it, adequate multiplier and voltage and voila :) Very good nostalgic video nice work Timmy Joe xD.
K7S5A-PRO REV 5.0 AMD Athlon XP 2400+. First ever build in early 2000's and still have it!
Reading K7s5a just brought back some crazy teenage memories for me.
that board would make a nice retro gaming rig old enough to run dos but new enough to run newer stuff, a great catch all win 98 se system.
That's pretty cool, I recently made a video on my channel where I tried to game on a motherboard that has an integrated CPU, it was a pretty interesting experience. Good vid!
it is a 2002-2004 platform, so it is not pre-millennium
you could totally relive my childhood and cram those parts inside an old IBM Aptiva shell case! One of the horizontal models, not the vertical! I loved my horizontal IBM Aptiva with Windows 95 back in the day... CRT monitor would sit on top of it... And I remember trying to run half-life on it when that game came out around 1998 and it took up like 90% of the storage on the drive and the frame rate I was getting tied to have been 9 FPS… But I wanted to play it so badly I adapted and actually got good at playing the game in that condition! I got used to the crappy latency and figured out how to dodge attacks at the perfect timings. Crazy stuff but it's the best you can do when you just a preteen with no way to earn money
Wtf, playing quake with a 9700 pro, come on throw some doom3, fear, far cry to make it shine
not with this cpu
Cs 1.6
Nothing wrong with just Quake, but this one is MS-DOS software render one, so a gfx card doesn't matter. There are modern 3D accelerated Quake and QuakeWorld clients worth checking out.
doom 3 on a 9700, i think not
maximusoptimus2000 it works flawlessly on the 9700. It was one of the top cards when Doom was released. ruclips.net/video/fU3RLKuVOic/видео.html
This was in my uncles Hp computer
O.M.F.G.!
I had the exact same motherboard ages ago.
I got it used for $50 and allowed me to upgrade my PC for almost nothing.
Timmy Joe... you deserve alot more noteriety and recognition & Subscribers and of course MONEY! Keep doing what you are doing and you will keep growing!!
1.8 Ghz with 512 MB RAM in 2001 a "crappy system"... the same year my family got fancy and splurged on a 800Mhz Pentium Celeron with 128 MB of RAM, 40 GB HDD, and a 32x CDRW. We put a brand new Voodoo 3 in that "beast", with the ridiculous 16 MB VRAM...
So, yeah - that Duron system was actually really top notch for 2001!
that boot up sound of 98 brings back some memories.
Anyone remember the Motocross Madness demo that came on the 98SE CD? I loved that game
An LGR quote and a Linus shirt, the community is awesome
Value Village (a.k.a. Savers) is based in Bellevue, Washington (near Seattle.) They operate in the United States, Canada, and Australia. I used to work at the Savers location in Orem, Utah.
Bring back the purple mobo's! That would be great for the wifey, she loved purple!
Thrift store computer parts are often an adventure. Many people would upgrade and put the old part in the new box and then donate it years later. I often find power supplies and hope they work.
9:53 "I bet that's wrong"
Not exactly. The Duron was a cut-down Athlon (XP) much the same as the Celeron was to the Pentium. The original Athlon had a 64+64 KB L1 cache set up, and I presume that AMD cut down the L2 from the 512 KB found on the Athlon to 64 KB.
Duron and Celeron translate to "no balls"
durons had 128k lvl 2 cache for k7's
But funny thing back in the day a duron 850 went toe to toe with a p3 1ghz
yea we used to buy those up for little office beaters, they were pretty cheap and just drop n go
You can even see what looks like the silk screen for the socket
DAMN!! I'm so old I remember selling and doing builds of these for first time system buyers LOL
This style of board was sold loads over here in the UK with AMD CPU & RAM soldered but the last few years I have not seen anything new like this
Should jam that mobo in a old video game console like PS1 Sega saturn, N64 ect
You can get a good replacement fan off of eBay, I use them for replacements for the 9000 series cards.
Enjoyed the " Return to Retro".
The computer place I started working for 10+ years ago sold a bunch of boards close to that one before I started working there. It had soldered on processor but not ram. I explained how I would never sell a board like that. But, the answer I got was they come with a longer warranty. Funny how tons of them came back dead shortly after the warranty ran out. To be fair I would think at that point they would be 3 years old or so. Now don't judge me but I think a board should last 5 years or longer.
It's actually called Windows 98 Second Edition. Love your vids Tim.
The nostalgia of the ATi taskbar icon :D
12:33 i found one of those on the dump duron 750mh 128mb ram win me 20gb hdd
it was fun to play around with it
This is where apple took inspiration from.....
i got a old acer laying around with a soldered on AMD E-300, that was normally used in low end notebooks
soc (system on chips) were pretty common back in the day but the memory is the interesting part
That out of sync audio after 11:22 hurt my brain so much.
The old school apple pc cases looks beautiful
the board is from 02-ish. they wern't oem boards and were sold at regular computer part stores. they were very cheap as i recall
Exact same models I used to deal with in UK back in around 2000, VIA or TXPRO chipsets... funny enough I got that board somewhere still working but only difference they had to SDRAM slots instead but everything else same even from Eagletech
Slimline maxtors....loved those alot
get one of thoes Cheap oscillating Tooth brushes. the battery powered ones. it works SO GOOD when cleaning around the small tight circuitry..
Yeah. ECS used to sold some of these under the Syntax brand. I had one with a Duron 900.
wow that compaq case you showed on the screenshots was just like my very first computer i ever owned , i was 21 years old and my folks bought me one for college , the system actually had a pentium 4 1.8 ghz cpu in it and a very early edition of windows xp sp1 i believe , and yes i remember how weak windows xp ran on that system due to its horrid 128 mb of memory installed , someone had the exact case a few years ago and i transplanted a core 2 duo e8400 system in it with 3 gb of memory and windows xp sp3 . that front compact disc holder was always useful lol. even though ive built over 50 pcs since i went hardcore in the hobby back in 2011-2012 i still enjoy making what i call overhaul systems using old cases such as the one i had my first ever computer in. one easy way to overhaul cases i found is rewiring the powerswitch units and replacing them with newer power switches
I’ve got one of those sitting a a cardboard box, I may get it out and give it a try.
I think I used to have one of those in my first rig. Doom and Civ 2, man.
Scratch that, it was an ancient machine by 2002 when i got it, so who knows what i had.
Now we know how Apple got the idea on soldering their RAM modules directly on the mainboard of their Mac mini 2014 models.
I still have two 512 MB sticks of PC133 SDRAM I held onto because they were so hard to come by back then.
The 9700 pro.....oh the memories
Still have one on my shelf. :P
Another awesome video lol Audio is out of sync after 11:44 reminds me of LGR lol
an all in one mobo? what! didn't think OEMs did soldered CPU and ram on desktop mobos this early on.
Nice Retro Build and Video.
hey there Timmy, I watched your video here till the end and I seen you were interested in trying to find one of the early 2000s HP Compact towers. I happen to have a closet full of those if you are interested in getting your hands on one
Ram on a motherboard was very common back in the day. As were soldered cpu's
only upto 386 sx.........
Buy a proper cheap tank type air compressor for cleaning $80 with a moisture thing, it's way better than cans, awesome for heat sink fans
@5:18 I’m dead💀😂
Please tell me you removed the metal chip edge on that 9700. not having that improves core contact.
Get also a SoundBlaster Live for proper sound in DOS games.
did we just get called twinklets?.. baby.. twinks?
Must have been the stroke I was having in this video
Timmy Joe, put a PCI Voodoo2 Upgrade-Card on Mainboard too and you have a very good Win98-Gaming-Rig! :-) Fondest regards from Germany! :-)
Wrap a case into wood paper or make it look like an old radio ;)
Timmy Joe is an awesome guy! Keep it up!
Awesome find, I currently have an old DELL P4 board project on hold till I find the correct case for it, that I have 4GB of RAM for that I'm gonna dual boot Win 98se and XP SP3 on it. :-)
i actually have a ecs 775 motherboard with no onboard graphics. I use it as a server now
PUTER PART!!!! WOOO!!!
I use to have a ecs motherboard with a gpu and vram soldered on it, heatsink and cooling fan included. It was another amd system, with an Athlon 1800+, if I remember correctly.
I gave it to a friend, maybe it still has it...
I got triggered by "special edition"... Its Second edition
I think it stands for secret Edition. Shhhhhh It's a secret
I have a very similar board it’s from like 2010 I think with a 360m? ( don’t remember) processor baked on the board
I love this crazy hard to find cool tech like that
Slot machine board? But the gpu would have been integrated? So terminal maybe? What was this thing for???
i have an old Gpu Nvidia FX5200-128t
it's still as clean as it used to look and still works. (last time i checked)
That's some really big horse power 128mb ..... in a time allot of home PC had to do it with 32mb
This is a SECOND gen MORGAN Duron CPU, not a FIRST GEN SPITFIRE Duron, kiddo!!
My first CPU was a 1.4GHz THIRD GEN Applebred Duron that I managed to overclock to 1.8GHz no problem at all. It took me from a GeForce 2 MX 200 32MB to a GF3 Ti 200 64MB and eventually a GF4 Ti 4200 128MB! The GF4 got so hot that it literally gave me blisters once when I touched it, so that was the first time I employed the "Box fan" trick which worked very well XD
That Duron@1.8GHz/GF4 Ti 4200 128MB kept me going until it was replaced by Athlon 64 3000+/X800 Pro 256MB Just replaced 2500k w/3770k and waiting for Ryzen 3 to replace this old Z68 dinosaur!
BTW this is not a bottleneck for XP at all, just gotta give it enough RAM (512MB for SP1 or 1GB for SP2) the CPU and GPU are plenty for XP
WTH.... This is late for you TJ! Great vid!
5:29 also whats wrong with you is the closed environment and spraying of compressed air cans..probably inadvertently high from it.
Like home computers used to be made. 👍
I have an old nVidia Geforce n9800GT 512mb edition and a Geforce 7950GT KO with 512mb. I remember the n9800GT I pushed it hard. I played Red Faction Guerrilla and Grand Theft Auto 4 on it. I think I burned it up though. Last I knew the 7950GT worked.
*Edit:* Just pulled them down. The thermal paste of the n9800GT was solid, so re-pasting that. Might shove it into an old system I have laying around.
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Red PCB, heck yeah.
Isn´t a NUC conceptually the same? Sure the NUC is not that old but the concept has been indeed there for quite some time... :-P
You don´t need much to run a firewall for example, hell you can boot it from a stick... these PCs had a market, still have probably :-P
Tommy Joe having a mini stroke 5:07
aww its so ugly its beautiful :D
Durons i think stopped around 1.3ghz .
PS/2 ports don't like it when the k/b or mouse is unplugged from a powered on system, it can cause issues.
Maybe a feasible work around, use a usb hub and attach a usb mouse and kb, handy if you're having issues with finding a spare usb (or working usb) ports.
There used to be usb to PS/2 adapters (but if trying to find one in a store now days...maybe better go for the usb hub option)
GG
didn't get as hot as FX blower from NV that competed ageist it
I had the ghetto version of that setup! Upgraded from an AMD K6-2 533MHz but didn't have that crazy Athlon XP money so went Duron (ugly 750 brown board). Rocking the 56K AMR modem with legally sourced Win98 SE that defaulted to Spanish from Mexico City. Audio chipset was such garbage that to play the original NWN you had to uninstall the drivers and reinstall when you were finished playing.
lol i sold these back in the days for like a office computer :D wow
What's a can of spray it's blue that you're using to clean the motherboard with
Its Kleen-Flo its like wd40 (the electrical version) which is good at cleaning electronics
techlinked LTT shirt, very nice
Should be able to disolder that duron and solder a Athlon
*Your videos are great, and this one is no obsection.*
So I must have the only other version in existence lol among my collection of old tat :D --- to be honest I used to get them boards from a supplier and built a few systems with it, its basically a low priced board built on cheap by the manufacturers and those had a very simply bios and the drivers we just built them for a workstations in an insurance company running Windows 2000, I think the board retailed in UK for around £25 then just needed the memory and graphics as the chipset was was limited so was just ideal for Windows NT, XP, 98 and yucky Windows ME terrible :D lol
Windows 98? Man those were good times...
1800mhz? you could almost (technically) get windows 10 running on this bad boy... theoretically the ram is the only botttleneck.
I managed to get my nitro + limited edition vega 64 biosed to lc version
lol i sold some of these before when i used to sale computers i still do but not for a business they where like office pcs they did play video and dvd that was big deal :D miss it so much my business went under didn't make enough no one wanted repairs but i still sale stuff sold like 10 last year :D i used ot sale 20- to 30 laptops a week when it was good but i only made 50 to 100 bucks sometimes on them miss it a lot
I was using the asus p5gc-mx/1333 up till about a month ago when it finally failed.
The CPU fan blowing out pisses me off.
Pretty sure that board was in that box because previous owner upgraded his old pc, you ended up with his trash board:-)
I know at least built in RAM is nothing new. I remember the old Compaq Presarios from 1998 had 16 mb ram built on to the motherboard with one slot to expand it to 48 mb. I remember that I tried a 128 mb sdram stick, but then the PC refused to boot.
That's the time when AMD got greedy and want customers to buy a whole new computer if you want to upgrade! :)
Is it just me or the sound was off near the end?
Mobo is prob for industrial use for atms or automation systems.
No ECS was known to do a lot of this type thing back in the day I have seen a few of these types of boards from that era of time.
I have successfully browsed the Internet on Windows 98 all you need is Firefox 2.0.0.2 and you should be good to go. I did it with only 48 MB of ram
I do have one of this motherboard but it doesn't have on board RAM