Ghost of Tsushima [4K] Nvidia RTX 4090 VS AMD RX 7900XTX - Native, DLSS vs FSR, FG + MORE
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- Опубликовано: 31 июл 2024
- In this video we compare the RTX 4090 and RX 7900XTX with a Ryzen 7800X3D in Ghost of Tsushima at 4K. We look at native resolution, upscaling and examine the quality of FSR 3 and DLSS 3 frame generation respectively.
00:00 Native 4K
02:40 DLSS vs FSR Upscaling
05:41 Frame Generation
07:09 FSR3 vs DLSS 3 Examination
11:38 My Thoughts
#ghostoftsushima #pcgaming #nvidia #amd #dlss3 #fsr3 
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Hey guys I made a mistake at the frame generation part at 5:41 declaring the 4090 as 10% faster on the average FPS when it's the 7900XTX that is ahead by 6 fps resulting in a draw between the two since it's below 5%. Thank at @shaarkyygaming for pointing it out. It wasn't intentional.
Just a suggestion, but instead of using vsync for better frame pacing when using frame gen, limit the fps to 2-3 fps under your display's refresh rate from riva tuner or similar options. Same result with lower latency.
@@ManuSaraswat Can you summary how to do this via riva tuner?
@@DeathComeInPeace With MSI Afterburner the Riva Tuner opens too, click twice on the Rive Tuner icon in the right corner where the programs are open (don't know the name in English) and there is an option Framerate limit and if your montior is for example 165 hz set the maximum limit to 162 and its better than VSYNC. I know you don't asked me but I use it this method too.
Hey guys. He made a mistake posting this video. 4090 beat the crap outta the 7900 with less power and less heat. This is a win for nvidia. Thanks!!!
h just wondering how your keeping the 7800x3d so cool? thanks
I have owned both Nvidia and AMD over the years. I am very impressed with the 7900xtx in this game. Especially when you could own two 7900xtx cards for the price of one RTX490.
1k for AMD 7900 xtx but no features and probability problems with drivers. Rtx 4090 more supporto drivers, ray tracing optimized and dlss . The best gpu in the world .
@@metalmaniac8260 bro there is so many features available with AMD. In the Adrenaline software you can customize so much and add many missing settings from games. the 7900xtx isnt having any driver issues and are fairly well supported. AMD hasnt been having driver issues since the 5000 series. ray tracing does perform better with nvidia but is still unbearable in 99% of cases due to low framerate.
@@roaden7 u can use only what the game provide, if u use other features from another app you'll have crash or issues. No sense buy and spend that Money when you can buy an rtx 4080 for 1k with all features and DLSS
@@metalmaniac8260what kind of driver issues really? is it the same as 'amd hot' like 10 years ago? i'm having multi monitors issue with my nvidia gpu when connecting 2 monitors with different reso. color profile couldnt be saved, it gets reset when rebooted and when you turned off primary monitor, second monitor will flicker in sec then anything i have on 2nd monitor will reset back to first monitor.
doesnt have this issue with amd.
@@sworddice u can do a search by yourself about drivers issue on AMD 7000ssries
My 7950X3D and 7900 XTX combo is just murdering this game while IT murders Mongols. Loving this game so far :D
It's a good game. Glad you're enjoying it.
Looking forward to picking this game up soon once I have some more time. Have been playing a handful of other games at the moment, but coming from 4 generations of XBOX to PC a few months ago, this is literally the only PS exclusive that interested me in the past 10 years. Perfect timing. Never cared much for the PS exclusives or the PS controller layout, but this is the one game that caught my attention.
that's the combo I went for as well! Great productivity x gaming combo
why 7950x3d, its such a bad cpu
@@RainOrbs because it's equivalent to the best gaming cpu (7800x3d) while being far superior in productivity, and 2/3 the power draw of a 14700k
RTX 4090 - > 2000 USD vs RX 7900 XTX - > 900 USD
In Europe the xtx Is 1000€
4090 is NOT $2000. Someone needs to do more research
@@robertkorth2911 4090 is for sure over 2k 1760€ ~ 2179€
@@robertkorth2911 Depends of the country, in canada, the cheapest one is 2400$ (around 1800$ US). It’s twice the price of a 7900xtx for us.
Yep and for good reason - 4090 murders 7900xtx 99% of the time.
I made the switch to AMD a few years ago and will never turn back. Nvidia's pricing policy does not match the performance, you absolutely get way more bang for your buck with AMD and their driver updates have only been getting better over time.
Edit: My 7900XTX is also the Sapphire NITRO+, this thing is a beast with OC and Undervolting in general. The temps and performance as well as power usage is so friggan good.
Been waiting for this video!!!!
My 7800xt and 7800x3D at 1440p with FSR3 and frame Generation looks incredibly good and I have no difference between fsr 3 on or native. Just incredible how well optimised and good the port is
Excellent work, really appreciate your attention to detail and clear explanations. These are really helpful, looking forward to the next one. Thanks!
Thank you, glad you like it. I'll probably take a look at Hellblade 2 next although I do intend to compare the 3080Ti the 6800XT as well in this game eventually.
@@TerraWare Definitely interested is seeing the performance on "non-bleeding edge" GPUs. The game is getting a lot of praise for being a really solid PC port.
A truely great comparison video 🥰💪👍. It’s great to see how you compared the frame gen tech from both as well for Ghost of Tsushima with footage which isn’t font enough in GPU comparisons 🧐😇👍
New sub 🖤. This comparison is almost perfect, only needed one more thing, when comparing FSR3 FG and DLSS3 FG at slow speed, i would really like to see a comparison locking to 30fps, 40fps, 50fps native before applying Frame gen, to see how it behaves when having less information to generate the fake frame.
Nvidia and AMD recommend a minimum of 60 fps at native or with FSR/DLSS before enabling Frame Gen.
Loving my 7800X3D and my 4090 ❤ best combo ever
It's a pretty good combo.
my combo is 7800x3d and rx 7600 8gb XDDXDXDD
I'm currently building this combo after years of been team intel and Nvidia
You'd want to hope that a GPU that costs A$3000+ is better than a A$1450-1600 GPU. Based on value for money the 7900XTX is a clear winner and I don't believe any of them, have caught on fire yet.
Nah I’d rather get higher frames and have the option for FG with dlss to have reason to keep the GPU around longer. 7900xtx is already outclassed by the 4090 and will be further outclassed when the 5000 series arrives
I wasn't expecting such a good‚ fast and simple analysis. This video just made me to subscribe =D
The fact that we have to slowdown and zoom-in to see where the artifacts are happening in this game while using frame generation is a bit mind-blowing.
And my opinion on this implementation of FSR3 is verry good. I really like it. Now I want to takeout my RX 6600 and test this game with my 5600g VEGA iGPU‚ as I feel like it could play it decently (I am not expecting something like 1080p 60 FPS medium).
Also, I've found myself liking FSR3 upscaling in this game‚ if I've had to use it to have a playable experience at 1080p I would gladly use it even with Performance or Balanced upscaling preset. Somehow it isn't as bad as I've seen FSR2/3 in other games. OFC not perfect‚ but the fact that I am not against upscaling in this game really tells me that it is a good implementation.
Thank you again for such a good analysis video.
Thanks. The game is actually quite scalable. I may pull out my old RX 580 and check it out. Its very playable on the Steam Deck.
Awesome comparison , thanks man! You should make ''Fake frame, Real frame'' merch 😂
You're right lol
Thank you for this great analysis
Nice work.
Thanks man. I like your work.
I had an xtx in my system along with a 5800x3d. So pleased I spent all that extra to get a 4090 for a mere 10% increase. What a bargain that was. The worst bit is I still havent sold the xtx so sitting on both cards currently. Doh
I really love your vids
keep it up
hope you try Senua’s Saga Hellblade 2
I will. Will have a video looking at it on the 4090
I'd like to see a comparison video between XeGTAO and hbao+. On faces at least I think hbao+ looks better. Seems like its a matter of preference. Great videos btw
Thanks. I wanted to include a brief comparison of the grass at least but forgot. Had the footage ready. I haven't really looked into it any further though like faces. Maybe could be an idea for a short video.
I think they have some problem because ssao looks better in my opinion, if you ever played the Witcher 3 you will see what a good hbao can do I think they just slap it and call it a day in this game. Also if you set the max preset they use SSAO so I think they want you to use that.
Hello, in the FG non upscaling part is says 116fps avr for xtx and 110fps on avr for 4090, but in the % difference is opposite, its says that 4090 have 10% more fps, idk if the numbers are switched to the opposite side, but in the metrics is showing the same fps like in the avr
Yeah good catch. I screwed that one up. They are practically identical. Less than 5% difference in FG avg and identical 1% low
@@TerraWare it can happen to everyone:) and yes, there almost no difference anyways, 6fps on over 100fps is nothing, noone will notice it if there is no metrics
hi my friend!!i like the way how u eplane and theis nice video!!FG3 become even good in AMD side !!mean every GPU AMD or Nvidia will enjoyed game!!have fun and great time
I kinda thought AMD might run better in this game before launch, considering in their system requirements they had the top end suggestion being a 4080 or 7900 XT, where the 4080 usually matches up with an XTX.
They have had an advantage with the Nixxes ports. Even in Spiderman remastered, all I had was the 6800XT at the time I was surprised how well it ran on that, even with RT. Maybe the fact the games were originally built around RDNA 2 architecture helps or Nixxes process of porting the game?
Who knows, but it's interesting. There'll be always games that do better on one brand over another. Like Avatar for example in that game Nvidia have a bit of an advantage.
@@TerraWare It's to be expected when games are console exclusive and then optimized for RDNA. They obviously need to play to AMDs strengths to get the best out of the hardware.
ti super is the equivalent to the 7900xt
PCGH Magazin: Since Ghost of Tsushima was originally designed for the requirements of the Playstation 4 and therefore entirely on AMD hardware, the strong Radeon performance is not surprising.
I own a XTX and I really like it, so maybe I'm not so imparcial but I always try.
In my opinión in this video the FSR FG resolve the image quality better than DLSS FG. In this comparation I found less intrusive the effect on the legs on the FSR side, meanwhile on the DLSS side the disocclusion effect seems more aggressive. In any case I think both are doing a great job. And this is normal for DLSS but a good new for the last updates on the FSR side.
So, I have a question here.
What do you think was happend with the last fixed on the FSR 3?
AMD fix fsr? Did they train the Nixxes developers and other studies? Or maybe AMD launched a new way to implement fsr?
Great video!
I think it could be a new version of FSR we haven't seen maybe. Since I dont recall any other games where you can use DLSS or XeSS along FSR 3 frame generation.
@@TerraWare It should be what they annouce for FSR3.1, decoupling frame gen and improving FSR like what intel have done with Xess.
Thank you for the benchmark Terra Wave, they are both great GPU's. I have one of them (doesn't matter which), and I am happy with the performance in this game, so far. Also, I see a lot of fan boys for a particular side, ignore them, you are doing a great job.
how do u make side bny side gpu comparations
I play this game with a 7900xtx and have no problems it's been great
Terra you are one of the best
Cant really be compared when the RX 7900 XTX is half the price of the RTX 4090.
You can run 2x RX 7900 XTX for cheaper than one RTX 4090.
You should compare cards at the same price range, AMD would destroy Nvidia every time, except at the 4090 level because AMD doesn't have any cards that expensive.
Ok but sto crying scAMD fan sub human😢
@@OmnianMIU Your response makes you sound like a 5 year old girl having a tantrum. Grow up.
@@freedom_fighta get a life and a brain, trust me
@@OmnianMIU
Wow another 5 year old comeback.
Maybe in the future when you grow up you might have a valid point to make instead of just crying.
@@OmnianMIUyou sound like you dropped your Nvidia fan girl card
The thing I like about AMD cards is the gaming suite. Alt and r brings it up and so much tweaking is available. I like the hotkey overlay which saves me using afterburner to see what the cards stats are real-time. I also feel that the colour settings work better than on Nvidia cards.
Have you limited xtx to reference card spec or is it thermal throttling because the card barely pushes above 2.4k freq ?
He is probably running the xtx in it's secondary bios mode, there the game clock is around 2450 Mhz for the Sapphire nitro.
your looking at the memory speed not the core clock. the core is around 2570 most of the time
@@Owen-np3wf That was only with fsr not native 4k
@Elimunary the number on the left is the core speed not the number on the right.
@@Elimunary I know
@TerraWare I have question regarding AMD 7900 XTX: In this test video is this GPU overclocked or stock? Because I've noticed high power consumption like 400W which is even higher than RTX 4090 (besides should be contrary) ?
In this video both the 4090 and 7900XTX are not manually overclocked. However my 7900XTX is a Sapphire Nitro+ model which comes with a higher clock power profile over the AMD reference. The 4090 is a TUF OC model too which comes slightly overclocked from factory over Nvidia reference.
4:55 why is the background different? the color saturation are also different, just lookt at the smoke and yellow trees
it's only hapened in that particular quest though. that's weird
would love to know too
Most likely different weather. Rpg games usually have a certain amount of weather and lighting for every region.
It's Unreal Engine 5's dynamic volumetric fog
Just time progression probably, took me a little bit longer to get to that point on one of the GPU's more than likely.
Intel: Guys......? I'm here............ please?
How is it that the 7900XTX (TDP: 355W) draws 400W, while the 4090 (TDP: 450W) draws 350? :)
Auto oc also dependend on brand Some Don’t push as much as others
Very good exp
Another great video!
After watching a questionable 4080 one and then a few others, it was interesting to see the big performance gain from 4k native to 4k dlss quality.
I see its the same with your 4090.
Does it continue to scale like that?
Unfortunately im region locked so my chance of playing is gone..
There are ways around the region lock :p
@@TerraWare I didn't look too far into it but I didn't really want the hassle of changing region on my Steam account as it then leads to payment issues.
@@Spratty-wb3is I know I didnt mean changing your region or Steam. 🌊⚓
@@TerraWare cool ok maybe I'll look a little bit deeper 😉
@@Spratty-wb3is Shoot me a DM on Twitter if you have it. It's in my links.
Pretty good performance for both cards, but I got rid of my 7900xtx due to the core temp reaching 110 Celsius, ended up purchasing a 4090 and never looked back since.
Not hating here but what model xtx did you have?
@@luckiestechhouse4953 PowerColor Red Devil
@@luckiestechhouse4953 Certainly the MBA at launch !
PowerColor Red Devil
I usually use DLAA for anti-aliasing at 4K but for some reason it made this game look really blurry to me. I tried using FSR 3 Native AA and the image quality is super sharp and much better looking imo.
i don't know if you caught that, but most probably this game has beta build of FSR 3.1, same company that works on ratchet and clank, and most importantly, FSR file is in game directory, suggesting that file swapping for FSR upgrade that's going to be from 3.1 onwards
so it's most probably baseline of what FSR 3.1 will look like in the future
If that's the case than it's a pretty good improvement.
@@TerraWare most probably is, since unholy alliance between DLSS and FSR FG works
Look at amd's power consumption an additional 150w, 150w is the amount of the average ps5's power consumption which can play this at 4k 60 fps. Insane.
Ps5 fake 4k...why not 8k?!?!?! Is written out of the box 😂😂😂😂
@@AsmodeusExx in low demanding game, yes but 4k was achievable with heavier rendering games like ghost of tsushima
It’s because he’s using a Nitro XTX, any other one will be drawing closer to 340-330. Those have really really aggressive vbios
2487 memory amd?
I really enjoyed my RX7900XT... But on AMD side, the power consumption is just rediculous - even when capping FPS. That's one of the reasons (but not the ultimate one) I switched. My RTX4080 (ProArt) on ultra 1440p native and capped 60fps (why would you need more in a single player game like this) is drawing around 140 Watts average. Combined with my R7 7800X3D (around 30 Watts) my whole setup is drawing less or same power as a PS5 and almost quiet with both cpu and gpu way under 60 degrees.
Undervolt and underclock the AMD card and the power consumption drops significantly but performance not much. I run my XTX at 2200mhz and it's still more than enough. Also runs cool & quiet.
I have no idea how you get such smooth frametime graph on your 7900xtx. I’ve tried every setting on my gpu, cpu, and mobo and the 7900 xtx is still extremely stutter heavy.
Something sounds wrong. Is you CPU throttling maybe? Frametimes are really good in this game. I've been playing with it on my Steam Deck too and its very smooth there as well.
@@TerraWare as you say in your video, certainly have to enable Vsync
I heard you can use XeSs on AMD, does this work with far frame generation. The XeSS is superior to AMD FSR upscaling. I have only NVidia so can't try it.
Yeah you can use FSR frame gen with XeSS or DLSS but FSR super resolution is very good in this game.
That depend on each games really. I find xess implementation in GOT is worse than even fsr , too soft. FSR has more sharpening in this game.
FSR FG looks superior to DLSS FG. Surprised.
does it really now? last i heard dlss fg was considered the superior frame gen technology
Yes it does. I've been using AMD's FG with my 4090 because I like it better than the DLSS FG.
@@Seeeaaan not at all it's the combinaison of DLSS + frame gen that is superior vs FSR + frame gen because the upscaling is better in most case, not the frame gen alone.
And you have not tunned your 7900xtx 2400 mghz is in the low side...
So what settings do you recommend on the rtx 4090 for 1440?
Max everything out DLAA
It may just be an impression, but it seems that the RX 7900XTX is creating more fog, which moves around the scene, an element that can generate a little more work in the game.
how is the input lag between fs3 fg and dlss fg ?
I guess they feel about the same. I don't use either when I play to be fair but as long as you are getting 60 fps it feels like 60 fps as far as input response goes.
I own both cards myself, have the XFX merc 310 black edition RX 7900 XTX and the Asus Tuf RTX 4090 OC. The RTX clocks are looking about right, however the RX 7900 XTX's is not, that thing will boost to 2.7/ 2.8 ghz at stock especially the Sapphire nitro + vapor X.
It can depend on the game. I can OC the XTX to close to 3ghz with a 1070mv undervolt but in its stock default OC bios its anywhere between 2.5 to 2.6 depending on the game.
Both cards are running in their out of the box OC bios configuration. I never deliberately under clock my cards, if anything I'd OC them which I sometimes do but not in head to head videos.
I dont understand what you did to your 7800x3d. How does it run at 5ghz 55°
My 7800x3d runs at 60 5.050 ghz. But I have curve optimizer set to negative 35 on all cores.
There isn't a huge cpu load in this game.
@@kaoe145 i'm at -25 and also vcore undervolt and it's hitting 4850.
Also i have a 360 aio (elite capelli xt ) from corsair and it's tanking so hard under occt- it falls to 4550.
@@user-vx9ch6rs1w did you enable pbo?
My build:
CPU- RYZEN 7800x3d
GPU- AMD 7900xtx
RAM- 32gb Crucial DDR5
I am loving my PC, it eats everything I play at ultra. No complaints, until my next build.
Nice build.
@@TerraWare Thank you. Anyone who builds with their own hands has an awesome PC.
Im proud of my 7900xt ive got 66fps avg on the same settings and graphic settings
Some of the crashing that is reported due to frame generation. I haven't seen single crash on 24.5.1 but I also don't use FG or upscaling at all I play native.
I tried disabling it too. Crazy thing is I ran 24.5.1 for my XTX video and was fine the other day.
Yep, I crash too only when I enable frame gen. Kiinda disappointing honestly because this game was one of the few games where I could test it that don't require low input lag or that fsr works great.
Why RX 7900 XTX consumes 400w and RTX 4090 consumes only 300w? It is normal?
The game isn't hard to run. It runs @ 4k with a constant 60fps maxed out with zero up-scaling involved. My 4k gaming rig is a Ryzen 5800X with a RX 7900 XT. Messing around with the game, it even runs well on old hardware. Was able to run it at a stead 40fps average on my FX-8350 test-bed with a RX 5600 @ 1080P with the medium preset, no upscaling.
That's because the game is already been optimized to run on old AMD Architecture(PS5). As far as I've experienced, most of the new ex-psn exclusives have had the same type of optimization. I'm NOT counting the last of us remake though. That was lowkey a disaster.
My goodness. My RTX 3080 strix 12gb runs around 280w to 301w, underclocked, for this game. And here you have the 4090 running at the same wattage as my 3080, at STOCK.
That's actually not bad for a 3080. I have a Strix 3080Ti with a 450 watt bios that will hit close to 400 watts.
the fog and environmental effects in the distance look completely different.
interesting results. looking at the 4090 being on average double the price of the 7900xtx a cost effective option is obvious. For the consumer who doesnt worry about money the option is also clear.
hmm looks weird when slowed down but soon im going to test this frame gen on 4060
how is your 4090 only reporting 350w when most of them tend to run closer to 450 in extremely gpu heavy situations?
Because this review is manipulated to give 4090 worse performance or just this youtouber is stupid (more likely), you see that gpu is not running 100% for 4090 but is for 7900 xtx. You can cross verify with other reviews (where gpu is 100%).
I think is mostly becouse part of GPU doesn't work. 4090 use more energy when thers ray tracing or way of using extra cores. It's port of old game so I don't think it use all the power of 4090.
@@TrekCZ Sir, you're delusional, I'm a system integrator and I've built plenty of systems with 4090's this is typical performance for them, they're not this unreal card that can't be beat, I was purely asking with regards to the power consumption as it's rare to see a 7900 post above 350w, especially when there is no evidence of it being over clocked, I've had 7900's usually taken to 2800mhz regularly but rarely does overclocking a 4090 result in benefits, just more heat, this review isn't manipulated, both appear to be running their out of the box settings, also, the reason it's not at 100% utilisation is driver overhead, not because he's gimped it, thread execution for the GPU happens on the GPU for AMD and on CPU for Nvidia.
@@elysian3623 how can I verify that you are system integrator who built plenty of systems, better put some linkedin profile here or you are just worker on assembly line in the goddamn ibuypower? I just looked at other videos where consumption was much higher 390W and better ulitization than in this loser youtuber video.
@@TrekCZ I don't ever intentionally gimp anything. I have zero interest in tribalism around brands. I've made a bunch of other comparisons where the 4090 is as much as 66% faster in Helldivers 2, or 2 to 3 times in Alan Wake 2 with PT. Just presenting the data and my findings. The results here aren't surprising, it was the same thing in HFW.
Realmente la diferencia entre las dos me dice que solo elegiría la RTX 4090 si es para "trabajo + algo de juegos" ... para juegos por el precio / prestaciones la AMD
Pero soy usuario de RADEON por lo que mí opinión puede estar sesgada.
Buen video!!!
I understand what you mean.
9:40 how is that a real frame
that game is running mostly 165fps/hz on my 3440x1440 monitor - FG on / default settings - rtx4090 but ONLY ryzen5600x (non-3D) and looking freaking awesome - So whats the problem?
Bottlenecks??
@@AsmodeusExx depends on the Game. But atm every CPU bottlenecks a 4090. No need to hurry, i am happy
The problem about comparing stock gpu's, is that AMD and nvidia aren't apples to apples, an amd gpu with the same clocks than other aib model, but with way higher power limits, is going to perform better, while nvidia can lock to their oc clocks, but real performance of those clocks won't be seen until their power targets start reaching there.
In one hand, the lead is game dependent, some games favor nvidia and others amd, so the 4090 lead on raster can be as high as 40%, and as low as 15-20% (or a tie in warzone), but like, your XTX has power limits way above stock levels, and since it's the nitro+, i know for a matter of fact, that it's an XTX model that comes out of factory performing better than every other aib, so that gives it easily an 8-10% bump compared to other models, no XTX stock reaches 400-420W out of the box and performs the same, while your 4090 isn't even reaching 350w, at times dipping below 300w, if you don't like tweaking, no one will notice for sure and that's fine, it's just data, but that XTX is tunned out of the factory, so it is not a "fair" comparison, when one it's an tunned model, and the other only has slightly higher clocks, while it's power target isn't even reaching 350w, the "fair" comparison would be either an 4090 reaching 400w, or a tunned model like a strix, theres more to the story than just 99% utilization on nvidia gpu's, it's a bit weird.
TLDR; a stock 4090 vs stock XTX, it is around 20% faster in GoT, give or take depending on clocks, power limits, models, but again, or the 4090 costs a lot more, and the lead here isn't big enough here to see the extra 700usd making effect.
This difference is because these Sony games are designed to work perfectly on the RDNA architecture, so the optimization for nvidia is not as thorough as AMD but they still keep it at a good level, anyway. The 4090 is much stronger than the 7900xtx, which we already know from many games and is even well optimized for working software, but when you mention the 4090 model, I think it seems to be the basic model. xtx is true nitro, if the 4090 were an Asus Strix or MSI suprim model the performance level would be significantly higher
@@chien.nguyen.only frequencies change by other customs...so technically you can oc to pair strix or msi custom
@@AsmodeusExx yes, even so, the 4090 is stuck at 98-99% utilization because it doesn't have the headroom to stretch, its the reason its power draw dips below 300w at times, nvidia gpus will report 99% utilization, but will be drawing a lot less power compared to actually being locked at full utilization, because it reports the current clock speed, not power draw.
@@ishiddddd4783 The total board power of the 4090 include the RT cores and tensor cores in use, no need in pure raster.
@@barbatocedric4246 i know as a matter of fact, that is not the case, they allocate power as needed, regardless of what type of rendering is being used, on a heavy rt load, what would go to standard cuda core, is going to rt cores, since the load on cuda is decreased, and vice versa.
Most stock 4090 4k raster benchmarks show it on the 350-400w range.
On my own testing, my 4070tiS will draw the same wattage as long as it's reaching 100% utilization, regardless if its path traced 2077, or halo infinite with super sampling without ray casted shadows.
How dare you those beauty's on the road like that. 🤣 my also crash 7800XT I roll back as well.
my was crashing like crazy at beginning of the game but now its almost crash free and i also managed to get it stable at 2850/2600 overclock just for fun with latest driver.
Strange because I tried the 24.5.1 for my 7900XTX video I did the other day and it ran fine. Today it would crash very quickly after loading. Very annoying.
@@TerraWare that bridge on the beginning of game was the worst. I had to lure enemies back to ground and kill them there just to pass over that bridge. I tried like 10 times fighting them on the bridge but it crashed after few seconds. Nothing like that happend later, more like random crashes when walking. Today i had one crash after two hours of gaming and i used it as sign to stop for today :) Also i had issues with overblown lights with HDR, even without HDR but very rare..
@@TerraWare For me I'm 33 hours into the game since launch, 0 crashes with my 7900 XTX on the game release drivers. Undervolted and limited to 2400-2500 range with the RAM slightly OC'd and the power limit maxed. I found the few FPS gain for running the frequency overclocked was not worth the +100w on the GPU as compared to what I'm running now. (I'd rather hang around 300w instead of 400w)
@@VelcroSnake93 Yeah I can get 10 t0 15% extra performance from my XTX with a 3.1ghz max (it never reaches that, usually between 2.8/2.9) 1080mv, + 15% pl fast timing but power consumption foes through the roof.
non ray traced gaming the 7900xtx is the best value in gaming. hopefully they can match RT next gen. the frame gen analysis was fascinating.
i do like your comparisons, it nice seeing side by side... however I can't see how you can compare without impressing the comparison in cost ... one costs nearly double the other ... which makes a huge difference, a better comparison would have been to compare the 7900xtx to 4080 and even that one still costs more than the 7900xtx ....
Well, we all know what the cost is. We don't know how they compare in GoT though. That's the main focus of the video.
Great comparison, as always!
What I do not like about modern Nvidia - these days (since RTX was introduced) they rarely take any participation in games optimization process for their GPUs, unless it is a game with built-in heavy RT effects.
Ghost of Tsushima, in particular, was probably sponsored by Nvidia, since they released the game trailer on their official channel (Nvidia Geforce) and it also supports DLSS 3.
Yet, it looks like they did zero effort to optimize it for their GPUs, at least RTX 4000.
I remember that earlier all Nvidia sponsored titles performed better on their GPUs, rather than AMD's. For instance, 1060 was outperforming 580 in quite a few games.
But now we see that in many titles, even those ones sponsored by Nvidia themselves, 4090 can only slightly outperform or just match 7900 XTX.
While AMD are doing a much better job with games optimization for their GPUs. Sometimes there are issues with their software, like it was with Helldivers 2, but mostly they are fine.
For me it looks like these days Nvidia has a more significant issue with software optimization, when it comes to games. Technically most games run fine on their cards, but there are quite a few of them, which are underperforming. It is pretty obvious, when you compare any 4000 card with any 7000 card. It seems like raster performance is not important for them anymore, yet majory of modern games are still using only raster tech. I do not understand what are they thinking about. Seems like they are all about that AI bubble now and most of their software specialists are working with AI instead of games.
Ghosts of Tsushima on PC is a port of an old PS5 game, over 4 years old, built on an AMD (Sony) platform, I'm not sure where you get this idea that it's nvidia sponsored title? If anything, it would be optimized for AMD.
The same with Helldivers, it's a Sony game made for console which is an AMD platform, but when it got released it was crashing like crazy on AMD GPUs, but you're complaining about nvidia optimization?
@@innie721 The game did have an Nvidia marketing campaign. With all the DLSS features in its official trailer. Some of us were wondering and hoping there would be FSR FG in the game too. Its been the same with other Sony ports except for TLOU which had AMD marketing.
@@innie721 Regarding Helldivers 2, the blame was clearly on AMD's software team. It was obvious that it was a driver issue. But AMD fixed it eventually. So, at least, they are working in the right direction, maybe not as fast as they should though.
While Tsushima is the title, marketed by Nvidia. So it would be logical to assume that their GPUs should perrform a bit better in this game, due to some software optimizations, like it was happening earlier in older games. But in reality it is the opposite, which is strange. I mean, why would they sponsor this game and make zero optimizations for their cards? Nvidia's software team is surely much bigger than AMD's one, so it seems reasonable to expect them to work faster and provide better results. Maybe they think that since DLSS gives still them an edge, they do not need to bother...
What is up with that power draw on the 7900xtx? I was under the impression AMD was more power efficient that Nvidia.
Last generation yea, this one Nvidia is more efficient.
Kind of a weird looking game 5 years on (not in a bad way). Looks its age in some ways (lighting, textures, geometric density) but still has some of the best foliage and art direction around. Excited to see what they do with the sequel, even though the gameplay didn't really grab me in the original. They've clearly got chops in the technical department.
You can tell it's a PS4 era game in some cases but the artistic direction, presentation take it to a timeless level.
@@TerraWare for sure, only time it really stands out is in the interiors
i heard u can used fsr3 and dlss at the same time
No, FSR3 is upscaler just like DLSS. However you can you AMD Frame generation that is many times referenced as FSR3 (which is not) with DLSS as upscaler.
don't use DDU to remove driver for amd but their official clean driver, and you ll see no crash
ps.. both gpu use amd frame generation, and in this game frs 2.2 work very well better then xess and native taa and close to dlss really good implementation i can't wait to see fsr 3.0
maybe this game is a test for FSR 3.1 ?
If u turn on afmf with the fg of the game u can get extra fps!
In the uk the 4090 is £1600- £1850 the xtx is £900-£1000 the 4090 just isn't worth the minimum £700 difference. Its almost twice the price.
The 7900XTX is aging well, but we can't deny how well the 4090 manages wattages and consumption
real questions who using a card and dont check the DLSS/FSR and FrameGen, Raytracing lol, If u on a budget get a amd period, if u dont like Upscalers, Framgen and RayTracing and lower TDP get a cheap amd card...I personally dont like to skimp on those features. i personally like to use all feature, I just dont skim when it comes to cards, ATI/Radeon use to be a power house in the early 90s late 90s early-mid 2000, now days they just react and copy what Nvidia is doing, i always get a 2080-3080 or 4080. my 3080 was $1850+tax in 2020 lol pretty happy with My New Msi Supreme X 4090 But then again most cant tell the difference between 175hz and 210hz lol..
you have a realy slow 7900xtx, my xfx black edition 7900xtx goes up to 2950mhz.
I'm running it stock I can manually overclock it 2.9ghz itll consume a lot more power.
my black edition is stock too , i dont oc ...
Im curious about one thing, this game was og made for playstation and optimized for PS which uses AMD grafic cards so it was build around this architecture and for it, so probably this is real reason why this card doing so well in this game if you going to look other benchmarks online than you will see that 4090 is better for something like 30%. And if you want do money vs productivity comparision then 7900 simply wins but not everyone is buying card and look only for this factor, some just wants to have best thing they can. And AMD didnt have anything that fully compares to 4090 so choice for this people is only one. That means if you bought 7900 than money was a top thing in your choice and you gonna be super happy for saving and still going very high. People pays big money just for tunning cars to be faster 1 or 2 seconds to 60 and they didnt care about guy next door that have car for half price and think is better coz payd less. Some just like to have better stuff than others. Soon we wil have 5090 and distance between AMD and Nvidia will be count in light years not in percents.
Why are you using taa with frame gen
Because TAA runs on both brands and that way I can examine the generated frames between FSR 3 and DLSS 3
@@TerraWare the biggest advantage the nvidia has is the quality of the frames before frame gen can you try them out and see if yousee a difference between dlaa with nvfg and dlaa with fsrfg
Honestly, 4090 is overkill on this game. Mine doesnt even reach 50° while playing on Max graphics.
we need a RX 7950 XTX
You should overclock the XTX to 2700mhz to balance with the 4090. 🤔
This is a PlayStation game so it was made to work on RDNA first so no surprises… i tried playing this game and it was hard after the first hour to stay into it idk just not that captivating of a story and I generally like the PlayStation games say God of War , Uncharted , Last of us, hell Death Stranding might be my all time favorite game I played all those through all the way but Spider-Man I got bored in a few hours idk and this one I’m sure I will play it more eventually but I have such a backlog of games to go through and it just didn’t seem to catch my attention for some reason and that’s not normal for a Sony game
Well no game's for everyone, I played all those you mentioned too I find GoT to be one of the best Sony games.
Power draw over a couple of years and the radeon offering isn't all that far behind the 4090, I still choose nvidia, I watch people streaming with both cards, radeon still suffers from micro stutters....
I have never had that issue with my nvidia cards...
Good to see competition, it will push nvidia to drop prices, so fans of both will benefit...
power draw a couple of years ? 6000 series are more power efficient than 3000 !
Power consumptions + vram utilization + fps you need to compare also that Nvidia is doing the same for less power and even gaining more fps
1:28 yeah but amd sttutered big time here earlier.. In the begining. Also no one will use taa as aa in this game. On nvidia u use dlaa and on amd unuse fsr3 native wich imo is the best solution. Really well implementation of fsr3 aa. AMD sucks at marketing their products inswear. This fsr3 AA native shouldve been sold a bit more cause it's amazing honestly.
The 7900XTX is drawing 100 more watts than the 4090 while being slower. Thats more than the 14900k draws over the 7800X3D. Where are all those Efficiency nerds who cry about Power Consumption? Sounds like bias to me.
00:56 AMDIP! Why did it Dip on the AMD and not Nvidia?
now imagine in 6 months we will get 0.9x 7900xtx perf for $499-$599 lol, or 0.8/0.7x perf for $299-399
7900xtx is raster monster and overall on par with 3090/3090ti in RT.6900xt could only beat 3070ti not even close to 3090/3090ti in RT.But Amd is spread too thin right now that is why they are skipping RDNA 4.
I heard that the 4090 can't run 1080p while the 7900 handles both 4k and overkill on 1080p. this is just what i heard last year
sorry, i mean 4090 is not suitable for 1080p. who will play 1080p for 4090? while the 7900 is good for both resolutions no complaints
That doesn't make sense lol. Why would the 4090 not be good at 1080p? With current games there is no CPU fast enough to essentially fully max it out because it's so fast, same goes for 7900xtx.
The Asus Tuf 4090 pulls between 400 to 420 watts when fully utilized. This game is not fully utilizing the 4090. There have been a few games which favor AMD hardware, this game may turn out to be one of them. The most notable example is Call of Duty.
It can depend on the game, some do pull close to 400 watts especially if there is RT or PT
I was never a fanboy of any teams. I just buy what my budget can afford, but to be honest I have been using Ngreedia since before from the 960, 1080, 3070. But now I got sick and tired of Ngreedia milking their consumer for every last drop of blood, sweat, and tears. I upgraded to an rx 7800 xt instead.
Since realistically no one constantly uses ray tracing on anything because of the huge 50-60% performance drop even my friend who owns a 4090 and is a total Ngreedia shill fanboy stopped using ray tracing after 2 months because he wanted to maximize his FPS, the nvidia video encoder is good, but if you have a CPU with an iGPU you can use those video encoders instead.
No corporations care about you, so why not just buy what you can afford.
"No corporations care about you, so why not just buy what you can afford"
Exactly. Personally I like RT and all the eye candy but if I had to I would play even on low settings to enjoy a game. Have done it in the past.
That's what I used to do too when I was still using my 960 I just turn the settings down. Because even though my 7800 xt can handle ultra settings in most games, I still turn down the settings to high just to make sure I'm immersed in the game and not get any stuttering.
@@hill2hell ultra mode hit a lot for not a lot of visual improvement vs High, same thing for RT too much hit on performance even with an RTX card.
Went AMD in 2020 for all my CPUs. Currently rocking a R9 with a 3070. Next GPU upgrade will be AMD. Intel and Nvidia have shown the people that they don't care about the average buyer. They target business and the 1%ers. Amd has always focused on every group of people equally.
The wattage and temps on the XTX is whack. Bruh.
The 90 is the clear winner in efficiency in all scenarios. Like yeeesh.
YEah, how many decade would you need to close the price gap with the 50W average gain ?
I was thinking to replace my RTX 3080 with a 7900XTX since AMD isn't going to compete with Nvidia for the next gen why I also think that the 8000 Series will not be a lot better. Also I'm not rdy to sell a kidney for Nvidia's next GPUs.
Edit: Mainly because I'm running in some VRAM issues here and there and want a good GPU for a few years.
8800XT should be more power efficient with better raytracing and cheaper . . . as rumor says ! If you are playing at 1440p any 16gb GPU should be fine for years and these next gen card are not here for half a year at minimum so . . .
Without DLSS RTX490 and 7900XTX are equal
I am surprised at how power hungry the 7900xtx is compared to the 4090. It gets impressive performance, though.
7900 XTX is a must undervolt you can undervolt the card alot yeah you can undervolt the 4090 but not as much you can make then consume the same power its bit like the 13900k and 14900k you can undervolt them alot and get alot lower temps lowest i got was 285W before crashing i think anything above 300W would be fine on the xtx
why do people continue to compare a card that costs $950 with a card that costs $1600 and some still hate the first one because it is worse😭
Most people like myself just like PC gaming and hardware. Some take it too far with their tribalisms and brand loyalism.
It ain't that deep.
Just comparing best of AMD vs best of Nvidia and most importantly what I have access to. In this game AMD has an advantage in other games Nvidia does and most others they run about how you'd expect.