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Forget the bikes,this bloke is by far the best I have encountered on bike reviews.Why is this so?He knows what he is talking about,has massive knowledge,does not play favourites,and it appears he actually rides bikes.Every other reviewer I have encountered has the same problem,they are all a bunch of wankers.Whoever you are,bloody good job.Thank you
@@markcrum5895 guess again. He has ridden just about every bike out there and has owned more than I could ever hope to. Don’t make assumptions about people you know nothing about.
DR can be stripped to 320lb curb, pumped to 50+WHP, fitted with 400+ miles of fuel range, made all-day comfy, and suspended with fully-adjustable boingers. DOT knobs make it ride like a chunky dirtbike.
Just watched your video. I'm happy to see that somebody is still talking about these 3 bikes. I currently have a Gen1 KLR650. I enjoy taking it on long day rides. I do a fair amount of dirt riding on it. Just easy fire roads and power line roads and jeep roads. I put a Cogent Dynamics rear shock on it and race tech for emulators up front. It came with some stiffer progressive springs in the forks when I bought it. The suspension upgrades were expensive but worth it. It handles wayyyy better than stock. I hope to one day take the KLR on a multi-day adventure ride. Regarding the DR650. I have never ridden one but would like to. One of my co-workers used to commute to work on a DR650. He put 60,000 miles on the first one. I think something happened to the transmission at 60k. He retired it and bought another DR650. He continued to commute on it until 30,000 miles when something happened to the top end. I could not believe that he got 60,000 miles out of the 1st DR. This guy is approximately 270 lbs. His commute was from Lake Elizabeth CA to Moorpark CA every day, 124 miles round trip. I asked him what RPM he was revving it to. He didn't know since the DR does not have a tachometer but he said that on many sections of the commute he held the throttle wide open and would do 80+ mph. Haha, that DR went thru hell. I think they are very rugged bikes. Regarding the XR650L. I have never rode one but I had a plated xr600 for years. I didn't ride it much on the street. It was setup for dirt riding. I put about 13,000 miles on it, about 12,000 of those were in the dirt. It was a great bike. I'm happy Honda is still making the XR650L but I'm sure the end is near for it and the DR. By the way. I have watched several of your reviews. I am trying to guess where you live. It looks like Wrightwood CA, but I am guessing maybe Big Bear? Anyways, good job on the reviews. I think the first video of yours that I watched was the KTM690. I would really like to try that bike. Have you ever owned the KTM 640 Adventure? I would like to try one of those, even though they are getting old now. I heard they vibrate pretty good as well.
Ed Feten I have a Gen1 KLR with stiffer springs and racetech emulators too, and you are right this is a completely new bike! Before I would bottom out in trails and everytime I went airborn I was concern about the landing haha now has 65 000 km on it and still running strong
Just picked up a 2006 klr with tons of aftermarket parts,skidplate, exhaust,hard bags,full wind screen for a grand off my friend, going to do the schnitz 685 kit and look into the spings,he just bought himself a new KTM 690
I have a customer who went from these bikes to KTM and had nothing but a bad experience. He said the whole bike was too sensitive to temp, keep in mind he has raced motocross for enduro for 25 years. He said these old school dual sports are the bikes to get for almost everyone. Unless you are doing legitimate cross country touring there is no need for anything else.
Ktm is a performance company. You will have issues and they have auch higher maintinance and repair schedual. Great company great products but they want to win races with low weight and high performance and innovation. If you want a machine that will be easy to maintain for 30 years that will last longer these kawasaki klr dr650 and honda xr are the most durable most simple. They will not be as finicky and picky.
I have the xr650l. As you said, I added the bigger gas tank for longer range. I am riding more dirt then road but it being a 94 it has been good to me. I'm slowly updating it and finding that mostly all the parts I put on the bike make it look and feel much better. Even with upgrades I'm still well under 2000. Cost, reliably and look I would have to say that I'm very happy with it and strongly recommend it to anyone that is working on a budget. Great review and ride safe brothers and sisters!!!
@Nicholas Baker holding up well. Taking it down to AZ soon to go ride the desert. I have cr250r now as well. The only thing I have had to buy since I get back in shape is the tires. You looking at getting one?
@@sc9041 yes. I'm considering a few bikes used for my first. The reliability and honestly simple guages make me like it alot. Also considering drz 400 and klr 650 gen 1. Really whatever I can get for lowest miles deal on marketplace.
Love my DR650 and agree it's the perfect 50/50 bike and you'll want to replace the stock seat with a more comfortable one if you plan on riding anything over a hundred miles in one day.
We resolved it with a gel cushion and memory foam. It may not look aesthetic but as a pilot you love it on long trips. ruclips.net/video/iHEhIHbyWiU/видео.html
As a photographer and not a videographer, I never quite got focus breathing until this video. Thanks for sharing your knowledge on these bikes. Very useful.
I bought an XR650 when I was 18 and let me tell you, those things are indestructible. I rode that thing for a little over a year (used as a daily) an the only thing I ever did to it was add oil when I thought most of the old stuff burnt up😂😂. So of you want a idiot proof bike that's tons of fun the XR is the way to go
Best comparison info ever. Thanks man, it makes it easier to choose one. As a novice dirt rider who wants a decent capacity that can handle touring and road, I appreciate the balanced comparo
Owned em all...KLR/DR/XR/KTM and went back to the DR650. It just works all around....Heck I tried the big ADVs...if you drop it...aint gonna be easy on flat or angled terrain-DR650 you can drop and pick up all day. Aussies LOVE the DR!
@@estebanod You just gave the answer. Its the perfect balanced bike without breaking the bank. I am just going on actual owner experience...not youtube experience.
Hey I’ve just subscribed as a 2015 Susie 650SE I bought new. I’m especially appreciative of your comment on the upper chain roller delete comment you made and had a look at mine. This bike has only done 4230km so I don’t use it much but the roller was trashed. I’ve removed it. Thank you.
dr650 because it doesnt weight 450 pounds and you can actually ride single track at a decent pace with mods. the only benefit i had on the KLR was a bigger gas tank and more wind protection. The klr was awful in mud up in alaska. the DR650 is the bike you want if you actually like to hit some challenging trails and still be able to cruise at 70 mph comfortably
Great information - a bit off topic but I had a 1991 DR650R Dakar, loved it. A mate of mine had a KLR from a similar year. Living in a very isolated desert area it was great to get out on reliable machinery (I thought the DR was a bit simpler than the KLR) - carry extra fuel and water all the time!
I had a XR and a DR which I never took offroad. I liked the light weight, the high seating position which lets you look over the roofs of cars in traffic, the wide handle bars that give you control in any situation, the slim shape of the bikes, the power to weight ratio and of course the feeling of a big single. I put Pirelli MT60s on them and have to say that I grinned the whole time while riding them. I guess a supermoto would be my kind of bike! Interestingly way back the French put on 17" wheels with street rubber and started the supermoto/supermotard craze. The DR was their favorite. I preferred the Suzuki because of the engine, it made more torque down low and midrange while the Honda made more power the more you open the throttle. Even though I think the Honda is the better-looking bike (most Suzukis are challenged in the look department) I sold it and kept the DR.
Great video! It’s important to note that the stock power ratings are deceptive. The big bore carbureted singles had to be incredibly lean from the factory in order to pass emissions. I have experience with the Honda specifically. For $20 in jets, you can increase the horsepower by about 10%. The smog equipment can go bye bye as well for increased power. The richer jetting also lowers your cylinder temp, and by extension, your oil temps. The gearing is also something that needs to be addressed on the Honda. Unless you spend most of your time cruising the freeway at 80, you can gear it down A LOT. With jetting changes, smog equipment removal, and lower gearing, you will think you are riding a different bike. The XR pulls like a tractor. The DR and KLR are great bikes too. It is sad that these big bore thumpers are going away. A smooth parallel twin engine can’t replace the character of a big single.
I've got a 650L added a lowering link and a fritzco sprocket. I mainly ride off road trails, its a beast in the dirt for a dual sport. And handles on the road. Definitely not amazing on road but serves my purpose.
The KLR sounds like the perfect bike for me 80:20 towards road use. BUT the DR just seems like a nicer bike. Was planning to get a KLR gen 1, don’t like the look of the gen 2.
enjoyed your vid - all these bikes are great in their own right but they do have their unique properties, you did a good job speaking to all the nuances
Own the DR650, great info thank you. As an old guy riding a Harley, i hop on my DR and im back at 16 on my CR125 (ok not really) but its a great trail bike and getting to the trail at 65 is no prob. Easy to put in a pick up truck, and lots of fun. Bullet proof engine (love them in Aus and SAmerica) when parts are weeks away. A few hundred bucks for a FMF pipe and jet kit gives another 15lbs of T , and a much better off roader.
This is one of the most thorough reviews man, thank you! I’ve been thinking of another bike so I Think I’m leaning towards the dr650! I already have a bmw 800gs. So it seems logical to lean more on the dirt side of things.
Spot on assessments. I've had the KLR and DR. One thing I'd add, though anecdotal, is probably correlated to the power to weight issue. But I consistently got better MPGs with the DR... if I rode the DR like I stole it and rode the KLR like it was running on the last tank of gas in the world, I'd still get 5 mpg better on the DR. Riding both under normal conditions the DR consistently got 10 mpg better.
Thanks, exactly the information I wanted. Huge bummer however. There is a beautiful 2018 klr for sale, 10,000km, in my town. But my 650 VStrom is fantastic on fuel, consistently under 4L per 100km, with a mix of riding and some throttle twisting. So what do I gain going to the klr? I’d loose about 20kg, loose an extremely comfortable mid distance bike. Loose lots of power and torque. But it’s a pretty bike and 6 years younger than my old wee.
@hair2050 Well, I've rode a Wee some, and the KLR is way better for dual sport adv riding. I'd stick with the Wee if I was married to the pavement, otherwise the KLR would be my #2 choice for a Swiss Army Bike after the DR.
@@demetriuscooksey7147 as I live down 4km of dirt road and 400M of dirt track I am an obligate dirt rider, and I do enjoy it. However I am also too old and grumpy to suffer a dirt bike the rest of the time. Thanks for your response. I think that I will wait and find something more modern and lighter. But I’d like to own the klr for a bit so that I am properly informed.
@hair2050 true. That's the only way to know for yourself. The one I've been thinking about as a do-all scooter is that Honda CB500X. Looks like it would ✔️ a lot of boxes.
@@demetriuscooksey7147 definitely high on my list. It’s a great little bike. Far more refined than a great big old thumper 😂. Have you seen the 2024 KTM 390 duke? Fantastic looking bike in looks and specs. I am waiting for it to morph into the 390 adventure and am seriously considering it. It will have similar power to the 500x but about 30kg lighter, lighter being high on my list of priorities.
After a few years or searching, I always come back to the DR650 even after getting a new MT10 this year. Definitely will be picking one up this summer for adv rides.
IMO, Those almost three extra gallons of fuel, the 400lbs total cargo capacity, and the ability to do 90-95 mph 24/7 on the highway makes the KLR unmatchable for a camping, adventure rider who plans on crossing international borders or crisscrossing the USA.
This guy is a tottally genius when it comes too communicating specs about bikes I used a 350 dr as a motor shepherd in falklands my 200 dr blew up on me so I got a 350 . Always check your bikes yourself . I hadca leaky carb and my exhaust had a hole in it the mechanic said you be fine Che . I went out the carb inside was on fire I did not realise until the breather tank pipe on the cap was dripping lit fuel I stopped put it in to the wind it was blowing about fifty knots she blew as I got off a helicopter saw the the black smoke and hovered above put the flames and me out . I got a wee scar on my wrist . So I like this guy he knows exactly what's he's on about
Great video comparison, I went through all of this research a couple of years ago when looking to purchase a dual sport. I found that the DR won due to weight and the fact that to me it seemed the aftermarket support for the DR far out did the Honda and Kawasaki. I do like all of the bikes and they all have pros and cons. The deal killer on the KLR was liquid cooling, it was just one more system to worry about out in the wilderness should something go wrong. I had a liquid cooled CR 250 that blew a radiator on a ride and I had walk the bike half way home, so that soured me on liquid cooled dirt bikes. Now most likely that was a one off scenario, but I'm still hesitant to this day. I also found that out of all of the bikes the Suzuki was best bang for the buck, sad part was where i live at i spent a year looking for a decent used bike that was asking new prices. Did not find one used, but one of the local dealers had a previous years model you on clearance and I grabbed it. Very happy with DR so far and a big pile of modification parts in the corner on the garage to install at some point. The biggest draw back to all of these bikes is the fact you could pay for two by the time you get done putting on of the cool aftermarket parts on one!
Spend some time on the XR650L out in the boonies with new, recently-manufactured Continental TKC 80 or, even 70, tires And with the sag set accurately by a knowledgeable Honda Moto Service Department...then report back to us. [Yes, that pale, Tomato-red color that Honda uses is off-putting; my 2018 CRF250L Rally is not much better with the black-green-white colors. Honda Dealers--heck, All Moto dealers, could get a clue and offer a 3M wrap or powder Coating or paint service.]
I owned a 2008 DR-Z400SM purchased second-hand [archaic expression] from a KTM dealer outside Columbus, Ohio. Gearing was W-A-Y too high and the vibration, despite a counterbalancer, rattled loose my fillings--along with the Throttle lock (and left-side offset weight): a good argument for bar snakes and Rox elastomer Risers as well as a Sixth year. When it comes to 6 gears and stainless, braided brake lines, the European Moto Manufacturers positively Embarass the Japanese.
Regarding the Suzi + aftermarket parts = Second (Additional) bike: Motorcycle Consumer News [R.I.P] about Ten Years ago had an Editor who bought a DR650 and wrote a multi-part series of articles detailing the numerous (and I DO mean Numerous) upgrades and modifications. Someone (actually, many more than one) wrote in stating that the Editor Should Have Simply Purchased A KTM to begin with because he would have saved time And Money (all of which the Editor acknowledged, then pointed out that Far More Folks Owned DR650's than KTM EXC-F 500's/400 's, et cetera AND folks could buy the aftermarket parts out of ordinary cash flow).
I've had KLR and DR, DR is hands down better both on and off road, and the god thing with the DR is fr $850 you can get a 790 kit, so in my case I bought a $1900 '96 DR and put a 790 kit on it, so for $2750 I have a 55 hp 790 that weighs 365# and will run 90,000 miles
Do you find you get more vibration with the big bore kit? I have a pumper carb, full exhaust system and have done the air box mod. Has significant gains but doesn't run nearly a smoothly as my mate's stock DR.
@@adamrichards2072 The 790 piston weighs pretty close to the stock DR650 piston. Compression is a bit higher with the 790 though, but most ppl report minimal change in vibes. The rubber-mounted pegs, bars, seat, and rear hub make the DR pretty smooth for a big thumper, regardless of stock, high-comp, or big-bore piston. The gear-driven counter-balancer works pretty well too. Opening the intake made my DRs feel more "visceral". Snorkeled DRs are ridiculously quiet and smooth. Just removing the snorkel makes them feel and sound more "thumpy". I actually replaced a cut airbox to reduce intake noise on one of my DRs. With stock exhaust, performance near sea level is pretty comparable with just a snorkelectomy, an adjustable overseas needle, and an extended idle-mix screw. A freeflowing exhaust may better utilize a cut airbox and a larger main jet, but most aftermarket muffs are harshly loud and require frequent repacking if you slab long trips.
So, once again, Suzuki knocks it out of the park with a simple, reliable, and thoroughly-competent machine. It’s an extremely functional motorcycle, with none of the compromises that it’s two competitors have.
Indeed it does, and the trade-off is more overall weight and a higher center of gravity, meaning lower performance both on and off road over the lighter and lower CoG of the Suzuki.
In 2017 bought a new XR650L and KTM 690R enduro (1st got 500exc got stolen 3ed day) 2 years later sold the KTM 690R since has no big gas tank upgrade. The lc4 is great but XR650L is a beast off road and great on road.
caught something there about the XR not having an oil cooler. It does..The oil circulates through the frame to cool, thats why the dipstick for oil level check is at the frame neck of the bike.
I have a plated Xr650r . Except for no electric start it’s lighter,faster and handles better. The ignition system is independent if the lighting system - it will run with out a battery .
I lived off a KLR for all of 2022. Loved it. I put 70K miles since buying it in 2018. Still running good. Exhaust came shaft wore down a full millimeter though. Hah!
Please note the advantages offered by the Honda XR650L: 1) significantly Lighter than either the Kawi or the Suzuki; 2) no coolant to leak or freeze because it is air-cooled; 3) Far superior Suspension functionality And adjustability; 4) no Doohickey issues (can you hear me, Kawasaki KLR--Both Generations); 5) Bulletproof motor; 6) it's a Honda (not a Yamaha, unfortunately; too bad Yamaha has not recently made a 650cc Dual Sport)
@jeff deathrage I appreciate the kind response. Obviously I am quite biased - But even though you are a Honda Guy - which is totally awesome - check this out - if you have the time. This is my shit LOL.... ruclips.net/video/hufukPdO7fA/видео.html
What do you think of the Honda NX650 Dominator with a few changes to make it more suitable for off-road use, such as a new front fender, different tires, a shorter gear ratio and weight savings by changing the fairing?
I think that you are spot on. I have owned a 2014 XR650L and currently own a 2012 KLR650. The KLR requires a lot of tinkering (head pipe, KLX carb needle and richer pilot jet, air box modification to breathe better & exhaust) just to feel the same snap as the XR has from the factory. However the KLR is a better mini adventure bike than you could ever make the Honda into because of its road manners especially at speed. I do a lot of dirt riding (finding and discovering deep woods fishing spots and enjoying getting away from people) as well as jumping and road hooliganism. Therefore the XR is a better throw around wheelie bike. Really nice job on the video!
After having owned 18 motorcycles and looking for the Goldie Locks bike do it all.............I found an -83 Honda XL600R with two carbutators. This one is about 45Hp, and for its design in the early 80's this bike is simply genious. Excellent torque and plenty of ooommph for a 40 year old bike.
The biggest thing for me, living in Mexico, price apart, is the fact all those bikes are carburated. In case I want to replace the muffler, with a lighter, free-flow one, install a better air filter, with a vented cover, I need only to replace the jet on the carb, with an experienced mechanic, to properly adjust the fuel to airflow. With fuel injection, you need to reflash the ECU, which is a more complicated and expensive process to do.
This guy is one of the VERY BEST reviewers for bikes on YT. Absolute legend and I trust his advice completely. BTW, He has fantastic reviews on the new Africa Twin and Kawasaki 1600 KTL 6cyl - fascinating - check 'em out! I have a 2005 DR650 (yellow model) and it is still near new - 3K on the clock and I HAVE to start riding more 🙂. I was really surprised to see the XR has those oil-cooler-less specs and the rear cushion hub omission - seems totally NON-Honda like. I'm a Honda luvva from way back, really wanted an XR but simply HAD to choose the DR on specs and feel when ridden. I'm a shorty at 167cm (5'6"). The special lowering link for DR had me SOLD!! Flat footer now! I'm happy with my DR and BigRockMoto man has re-affirmed myu decision all those years back - I bought NEW after riding each bike. Cheers to all from Sydney Australia!
I have the DR, my brother has the XR, 3 friends have the KLR. Bottom line is this...They all do the same thing; which one do you like better. That's it...We all end up in the same beautiful area. It's all really about the fit to your body and personal preference. I spent a lot of time looking at all this stuff. But I am pleased with my choice, as the others are with theirs...You can not go wrong with any....However, the Honda 's lack of cooling does suck and causes a bit of stress, even though it's never really been a issue...........
You could lower any one of these bike's, loosen the triples and slide the front end up or down. Those Honda XL / XR's go back into the 70's and very few changes were ever made. Only one missing from this Era would be the XT
I had the older KLR and never had a problem with it my sun is still riding it. I all so had the DR 650 and loved it more power for off road and a bit better on the windy roads. also much better off road and on gravel roads, but the KLR was also quit good. as for high way driving never had a problem with the DR 650, don't need wind protection, the feel of the wind on your chest is want biking is all about. The only draw back with the DR is the small tank. Hate having to look for gas all the time I just want to ride. Good Video, thanks. The Honda gas tank way too small and much to high for me.
Such a well done video.. i wanted it when it 1st came out... and I'm now watching it again and i am still intrigued and catching new things i missed the 1st time
I still LOVE my 1983 xl600r (xr600l in US). Its in regular use (road mainly). Engine never been rebuilt. 1st owner was a farmer who never serviced it. I still decimate current superbikes off the mark at the lights. Couldnt wish for a better bike. Just need cash to do a rebuild...
It does 160km/h 100mph... done 5hour in one go trips at 120km/h - very tiring but makes you tough! Carbs arent happy so its a workout starting right now.... but turns far more heads than a custom harley esp when the thunder comes on line and i leave the parking garage on my back wheel.
@@richardvalitalo3670 let them breath. Maybe you have restricted ones? Exhaust is critical and then the correct jetting. Mine is in a shockingly bad condition and a turbo AMG GL mercedes could not catch me up to 120km/h on a steep upramp onto the highway last night, with me having to back off due to clutch slip. :-)
I just had a 2008 KLR650 I traded for a Ford Ranger, it really wasn't as heavy as you think. It was well balanced and bullet proof. The XR650L is my favorite. The DR650 is really fun and feels like it makes the most power. The KLR650 believe it or not for me did just as good off road as the DR650 because my KLR was stripped down with no fairings or anything. The KLR was a heavy bike but you pop the clutch and you can wheelie it. Lol I almost 12' it by accident. Also my subframe bolts and suspension were my only problems on the KLR.
Having experienced all three bikes and having just sold my Kawasaki Tengai (you old school guys know what that is), the Kawasaki wins hands down. Is it heavier, yes. Less suspension travel and ground clearance, yes. But where it really shines is adventure riding and offroad touring. The fairing gives better wind protection which is less fatigueing on long rides. It is quieter and the centre of gravity is lower. The increased weight of the KLR makes it sit better on the road and not get blown around by the wind and passing trucks. The Honda was the worst for this and almost dangerous. It is a higher bike and just one big sail. You sit in the KLR and on the other two and totally exposed to the elements on both the DR and the XR. The seats on the XR and DR are woeful at best. At least with the KLR it doesnt feel like your sitting on a park bench (looking at you XR) and that big tank is a needed when travelling long distances. Plus it runs cooler being liquid cooled. My legs use to roast on the DR. And finally there is much, much more aftermarket parts to farkle your KLR to your own tastes. Over a million KLR's produced and when you need to get a part in Dogshitistan its a better bet its going to be available than either the Suzuki or Honda. KLR for me and the Tengai was the best of those.
I'm currently bubbling with excitement over the prospect of getting my first dual sport tomorrow! It's a 2018 KLR with only 5k on the dial. There is a BMW 650 GS also, I'm kind of torn between the two because the BMW Rotax engine is very reliable and gets an astounding 75 mpg. I'll be doing some city commuting for work, but I'd really like to travel backroads, blacktops, and gravel roads. Not any particular destination in mind, just exploring and going down roads I've never been on. I'll admit that I really hate getting cold-and the ergonomics and standard heated grips on the GS are enticing. I can kit out a KLR for optimum comfort and wind protection can't I? Also, does the 2018 KLR model need the doohickey fix?
as ive grown older to near 60 im on my 3rd xr 650l. since they came out in 93. they are bullet proof and more for the offroad. The after market is supportive and they are really easy to work on. Im sold!
I'm debating on the DR and XR. At 6'2" i like taller bikes. But, the DR sounds like a better street bike. I actually prefer a lower seat for single track. I like the soft drive and oil cooler. Hmmm, but i love Honda. Hmmm, which one...
I bought an xrl with 1800 miles on it went for a long ride in the middle of nowhere and it stripped the counter shaft splines all slick like it jumped into neutral I rewelded and shaped new splines on the counter shaft (while on the bike) using micro diamond grinding bits got it to looking new again and stuck a cb500x sprocket 13t (smaller counter shaft sprocket equals less chain snatch much easier on the drivetrain) with a slight modification it slides right on and so far I have 19,000 mi on it still tight as a drum so far I haven't had any issues with my Dr but I only have about 5,000 miles on it some of it's known defects have been corrected but the worst one remains that neutral switch I just keep an eye on the neutral light to make sure it doesn't flicker so far it hasn't acted up my BPR XRR has been solid as a rock so far I don't know if they even have many weak points on them still flawless after about 20,000 miles I have an old XT 550 that makes an awesome trail bike it's pretty bulletproof too pretty much all I do is ride it very smooth comfortable bike it is to ride with that big fat cushy '80's seat and low seat height she's definitely a winner for those Rocky gravelly washed out hills I ride on 😁👍
Bought a new klr in 05 loved it, in 06 traded for a brand new Harley...fast forward to 5 months ago started to realize I still missed offroad riding so bought a new xr. The klr was more comfortable, but wanted more of a dirtbike for screwin around plus the honda feels snappier down low. Save the hog for long rides and the pig for dirt roads😁
Kawasaki KLR is back now for 2022 & it's even heavier. 460.6 pounds. Yes it packed on 40.6 more pounds. I don't have a 37" inseam & I prefer electric start over kick start so that means no Honda for me. I prefer the Suzuki & I'd buy one today but I swore I would never buy another carbureted bike. These will probably all have carburetors forever.
funny that you say the klr has a lot of support. here in aus the dr650 has the support and the popularity because it's more reliable and better offroad, the xr650l hasn't been sold here since 2008. interesting that you lament the loss of the klr and then recommend not buying a new bike. if no one buys a new bike they cease being produced. my opinion is if you can afford it and you plan on keeping the bike or doing extensive travel buy a new one the value is in the years you keep it for or the trouble free adventure bike holiday with warranty.
Also, the R model wasnt always liquid cooled, ive owned one of those also that was a 95 or 96 model i think and the only difference between the L and R was compression ratio, the stator, no battery on the R, and the cam on the R... of course im not counting the lights, mirrors, and dot tires
New to your channel but have been truly enjoying your vids. 2nd time XR owner who knew he was riding 99% off-road. I bought the 1200 GS/A to satisfy my road miles with Forest roads for MC camping. I rode the XR for the Palmdale>Vegas and while not a KTM or other modern bike, it held it's own, albeit towards the back, but the bike is literally indestructible. Easy to maintain and I would trust it anywhere (except a UT Interstate with a 80mph speed limit). Keep up the great work.
If I had the money I'd pass on any of them and buy a Husky 701. But after a ton of research on the DR, I think the XR comes out on top. Just add an oil cooler and a few mods and it's better all around.
Agreed. If someone put a gun to my head and said, "You're going to buy a 650cc bike from the 1980's . . . or I'm going to blow a hole in your head," I'd pick the XR for sure. Better yet would be a Honda XR600R that was streetified -- as long as it had electric start. (Not sure whether you can add electric start to a 600R.) I would get three extra jobs so I could afford a better bike before I would buy a DR650 or KLR650.
@@linguinatorschwartz9309 I have owned two xr600r still have my 91 model I agree great bike disagree with electric start. Get tdc Both bikes start first kick seldom need 2nd kick. Why add a heavy battery and crap to it? You can add one from the 650l apparently though if you desire. May as well just get a 650l though if you do that though
@@bush600r2 -- May as well just get a second job and save up for a KTM. WHATEVER IT TAKES. Honestly, why are we discussing the purchasing and riding of motorcycle designs that are 30 or more years old ? ? ? Why ? My KTM 500 EXC-F has electric start and a battery and yet it tips the scales at 244 pounds. The KTM 690 -- which is far more streetworthy than the 500 or the XR650L -- weighs 320 pounds, which is the same as the DRZ400 and a hundred pounds less than the stupid KLR650. Again, why are we discussing bikes from the previous century ? ? ?
@@linguinatorschwartz9309 I was just answering your question about the xr600r that you said If you had a gun to your head you would choose?? That's why we're are discussing a old bike cause you asked and I informed you how you could put a electric start in but am baffled by why people want to cause they start so well. Unless you have a leg injury or are short or something fair enough. Anyhow mate didn't mean to come across angry or rude or what ever so sorry if I did. The xr600r is a great reliable bike and I'd have one over a ktm any day but that's just my opinion. They are becoming collectable and better to be kept fairly original.
@David Squibular -- If you believe that you are sadly uninformed. Theres no shortage of guys who are doing round-the-world trips on KTM 500s, and they have ZERO reliability problems. Look at Rever.com. Look at ADV.com. Do your homework, do some reading, and stop being stuck with a 1990's mentality about European motorcycles. There's really no excuse for it. They are NOT unreliable. Do a search for the name "Aaron Steinmann." He's one of the many RTW (round-the-world) riders and he put 62,000 miles on a KTM 500 EXC-F before rebuilding it. Get your head out of the last century. From my teenage years back in the 1970's until about five years ago, I swore up and down that I'd never own a European motorcycle. I considered them to be "off-brand." Only the Japanese Big Four were worth having. And until somewhere between 2005 to 2010, that was true. But in the last 15 years KTM has absolutely blown past the Japanese companies and has made them look like absolute FOOLS. All of the Japanese bikes are either from the 1980's or the 1990's or they're cookie-cutter copies of the OTHER Japanese companies' bikes. The Japs REFUSE to think outside the box and their bikes are stuck in a perpetual state of sameness. Meanwhile, year-by-year, the people at KTM keep making their bikes more advanced and more modern and lighter. And they're very, very reliable. I don't care how reliable a Suzuki DR650 is. A KTM 500 is similarly reliable and weighs over 100 pounds less. The KTM 500 weighs 244 pounds. The KLR 650 weighs 417 pounds. The only place the DRZ or the KLR is better is on the highway -- because heavier bikes are better at higher speeds. But highway riding isn't why I buy a single-cylinder, dualsport bike.
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Forget the bikes,this bloke is by far the best I have encountered on bike reviews.Why is this so?He knows what he is talking about,has massive knowledge,does not play favourites,and it appears he actually rides bikes.Every other reviewer I have encountered has the same problem,they are all a bunch of wankers.Whoever you are,bloody good job.Thank you
Thanks!
He loves what he does I could watch em talk about bikes for hours as I am doing right now 😆
I kinda believe his " massive knowledge" comes from Google unfortunately.
@@markcrum5895 guess again. He has ridden just about every bike out there and has owned more than I could ever hope to. Don’t make assumptions about people you know nothing about.
@@michiganmoto7687 didn't think I did. But it does seem you are making assumptions about someone you don't know!
Just bought me a DR650. GLAD I did.
I have a suzuki dr650se with 790 big bore and cam with headers .what a bush hog
Honestly, you have the best motorcycle review channel out there. Keep up the great work. 🙏
I have a KLR 650 out of the 40 something bikes Ive owned It rates as one of the best most flexible bikes Ive owned.
How about for off road
@@freehuman480 Its a big bike it's heavy in tight technical stuff.
I've ridden some really technical, Rocky terrain on a klr. It's a heavy bike, but it also tractors thru damn near anything you point it at.
Currently own a YZ250X, Betta Xtrainer and my second XR650L. The L is ridiculously reliable and relaxing.
DR can be stripped to 320lb curb, pumped to 50+WHP, fitted with 400+ miles of fuel range, made all-day comfy, and suspended with fully-adjustable boingers. DOT knobs make it ride like a chunky dirtbike.
Exactly.
"DOT knobs"???
@@TheJaxsonjackKnobby tires that are approved for use on public roads by the Department Of Transportation.
@@RKmndo Oh, yeah, huh ... lol thanks!
Suzuki DR650 here.. and i LOVE IT! FUN... reliable, huge aftermarket for it, AMAZING bang for the buck, especially when buying used
Is it a bad idea to buy an old Dr? AFAIK they didn't change the design. I'm okay with doing work on it myself
Just watched your video. I'm happy to see that somebody is still talking about these 3 bikes. I currently have a Gen1 KLR650. I enjoy taking it on long day rides. I do a fair amount of dirt riding on it. Just easy fire roads and power line roads and jeep roads. I put a Cogent Dynamics rear shock on it and race tech for emulators up front. It came with some stiffer progressive springs in the forks when I bought it. The suspension upgrades were expensive but worth it. It handles wayyyy better than stock. I hope to one day take the KLR on a multi-day adventure ride.
Regarding the DR650. I have never ridden one but would like to. One of my co-workers used to commute to work on a DR650. He put 60,000 miles on the first one. I think something happened to the transmission at 60k. He retired it and bought another DR650. He continued to commute on it until 30,000 miles when something happened to the top end. I could not believe that he got 60,000 miles out of the 1st DR. This guy is approximately 270 lbs. His commute was from Lake Elizabeth CA to Moorpark CA every day, 124 miles round trip. I asked him what RPM he was revving it to. He didn't know since the DR does not have a tachometer but he said that on many sections of the commute he held the throttle wide open and would do 80+ mph. Haha, that DR went thru hell. I think they are very rugged bikes.
Regarding the XR650L. I have never rode one but I had a plated xr600 for years. I didn't ride it much on the street. It was setup for dirt riding. I put about 13,000 miles on it, about 12,000 of those were in the dirt. It was a great bike. I'm happy Honda is still making the XR650L but I'm sure the end is near for it and the DR.
By the way. I have watched several of your reviews. I am trying to guess where you live. It looks like Wrightwood CA, but I am guessing maybe Big Bear?
Anyways, good job on the reviews. I think the first video of yours that I watched was the KTM690. I would really like to try that bike. Have you ever owned the KTM 640 Adventure? I would like to try one of those, even though they are getting old now. I heard they vibrate pretty good as well.
Ed Feten I have a Gen1 KLR with stiffer springs and racetech emulators too, and you are right this is a completely new bike! Before I would bottom out in trails and everytime I went airborn I was concern about the landing haha now has 65 000 km on it and still running strong
I submit to each of you that the XR650L does Not, repeat, Not require suspension mods (and, dare I repeat myself, it's a Honda).
Just picked up a 2006 klr with tons of aftermarket parts,skidplate, exhaust,hard bags,full wind screen for a grand off my friend, going to do the schnitz 685 kit and look into the spings,he just bought himself a new KTM 690
@@quidestnunc9238 Everything needs mods because, because.
@@quidestnunc9238 I put 30,000 on an L (99.9% of it dirt), it definitely needs suspension mods. 100%.
I have a customer who went from these bikes to KTM and had nothing but a bad experience. He said the whole bike was too sensitive to temp, keep in mind he has raced motocross for enduro for 25 years. He said these old school dual sports are the bikes to get for almost everyone. Unless you are doing legitimate cross country touring there is no need for anything else.
Ktm is a performance company. You will have issues and they have auch higher maintinance and repair schedual. Great company great products but they want to win races with low weight and high performance and innovation. If you want a machine that will be easy to maintain for 30 years that will last longer these kawasaki klr dr650 and honda xr are the most durable most simple. They will not be as finicky and picky.
I have the xr650l. As you said, I added the bigger gas tank for longer range. I am riding more dirt then road but it being a 94 it has been good to me. I'm slowly updating it and finding that mostly all the parts I put on the bike make it look and feel much better. Even with upgrades I'm still well under 2000. Cost, reliably and look I would have to say that I'm very happy with it and strongly recommend it to anyone that is working on a budget. Great review and ride safe brothers and sisters!!!
How's the xr these days?
@Nicholas Baker holding up well. Taking it down to AZ soon to go ride the desert. I have cr250r now as well. The only thing I have had to buy since I get back in shape is the tires. You looking at getting one?
@@sc9041 yes. I'm considering a few bikes used for my first. The reliability and honestly simple guages make me like it alot. Also considering drz 400 and klr 650 gen 1. Really whatever I can get for lowest miles deal on marketplace.
New DR650's have been an excellent buy in Canada over the last few months. $500 price rebate + $500 Visa Cash Card + 5 year warranty.
Ive got a dr 650 nice to ride its stock only 4950 km brought it second hand very low usage love it
Great comparison, as always. One of the few youtubers I don't have to skip through half of it to get to the information.
Love my DR650 and agree it's the perfect 50/50 bike and you'll want to replace the stock seat with a more comfortable one if you plan on riding anything over a hundred miles in one day.
We resolved it with a gel cushion and memory foam. It may not look aesthetic but as a pilot you love it on long trips.
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DR can be pushed off road, I rode a stock 2014 dr650 from Silverton to Lake City Colorado in 1 hour and 20 minutes
I've done 1000+ miles in a day on a stock DR seat...and a shaved one.
I've wanted an XR for awhile but the screw adjustable valves just sells it, plus everything else it has going. Great video
As a photographer and not a videographer, I never quite got focus breathing until this video. Thanks for sharing your knowledge on these bikes. Very useful.
I bought an XR650 when I was 18 and let me tell you, those things are indestructible. I rode that thing for a little over a year (used as a daily) an the only thing I ever did to it was add oil when I thought most of the old stuff burnt up😂😂. So of you want a idiot proof bike that's tons of fun the XR is the way to go
Best comparison info ever. Thanks man, it makes it easier to choose one. As a novice dirt rider who wants a decent capacity that can handle touring and road, I appreciate the balanced comparo
Thanks
Owned em all...KLR/DR/XR/KTM and went back to the DR650. It just works all around....Heck I tried the big ADVs...if you drop it...aint gonna be easy on flat or angled terrain-DR650 you can drop and pick up all day. Aussies LOVE the DR!
why the DR? it doesn't seem like it has any advantages, worse for off road than the xr and the klr is more adapted to touring/highways
@@estebanod You just gave the answer. Its the perfect balanced bike without breaking the bank. I am just going on actual owner experience...not youtube experience.
Very well done video! Accurate and plentiful info and accurate opinions! No rambling and great comparisons THANKS!!
Hey I’ve just subscribed as a 2015 Susie 650SE I bought new. I’m especially appreciative of your comment on the upper chain roller delete comment you made and had a look at mine. This bike has only done 4230km so I don’t use it much but the roller was trashed. I’ve removed it. Thank you.
dr650 because it doesnt weight 450 pounds and you can actually ride single track at a decent pace with mods. the only benefit i had on the KLR was a bigger gas tank and more wind protection. The klr was awful in mud up in alaska. the DR650 is the bike you want if you actually like to hit some challenging trails and still be able to cruise at 70 mph comfortably
Why would you choose the DR over the XR? Just curious
@@2wheels.are.better.than4 Oil cooler, cush hub, low seat height. Its a better street bike basically.. without being heavy like a KLR.
Great information - a bit off topic but I had a 1991 DR650R Dakar, loved it. A mate of mine had a KLR from a similar year. Living in a very isolated desert area it was great to get out on reliable machinery (I thought the DR was a bit simpler than the KLR) - carry extra fuel and water all the time!
I had a XR and a DR which I never took offroad. I liked the light weight, the high seating position which lets you look over the roofs of cars in traffic, the wide handle bars that give you control in any situation, the slim shape of the bikes, the power to weight ratio and of course the feeling of a big single. I put Pirelli MT60s on them and have to say that I grinned the whole time while riding them. I guess a supermoto would be my kind of bike! Interestingly way back the French put on 17" wheels with street rubber and started the supermoto/supermotard craze. The DR was their favorite.
I preferred the Suzuki because of the engine, it made more torque down low and midrange while the Honda made more power the more you open the throttle. Even though I think the Honda is the better-looking bike (most Suzukis are challenged in the look department) I sold it and kept the DR.
Great video! It’s important to note that the stock power ratings are deceptive. The big bore carbureted singles had to be incredibly lean from the factory in order to pass emissions. I have experience with the Honda specifically. For $20 in jets, you can increase the horsepower by about 10%. The smog equipment can go bye bye as well for increased power. The richer jetting also lowers your cylinder temp, and by extension, your oil temps.
The gearing is also something that needs to be addressed on the Honda. Unless you spend most of your time cruising the freeway at 80, you can gear it down A LOT. With jetting changes, smog equipment removal, and lower gearing, you will think you are riding a different bike. The XR pulls like a tractor.
The DR and KLR are great bikes too. It is sad that these big bore thumpers are going away. A smooth parallel twin engine can’t replace the character of a big single.
I've got a 650L added a lowering link and a fritzco sprocket. I mainly ride off road trails, its a beast in the dirt for a dual sport. And handles on the road. Definitely not amazing on road but serves my purpose.
same for the dr650 a few free mods you can do to increase power over stock and you can put a 790cc big bore kit on.
I had my Suzuki a have over 100,000 ks on it and still runs great. Thanks
DR 650 HANDS DOWN BEST BIKE FOR EVERYTHING PLUS IF YOU WANT TO MODIFY IT -YOU CAN EASILY WITH GREAT AFTERMARKET PARTS
The KLR sounds like the perfect bike for me 80:20 towards road use. BUT the DR just seems like a nicer bike. Was planning to get a KLR gen 1, don’t like the look of the gen 2.
enjoyed your vid - all these bikes are great in their own right but they do have their unique properties, you did a good job speaking to all the nuances
Own the DR650, great info thank you. As an old guy riding a Harley, i hop on my DR and im back at 16 on my CR125 (ok not really) but its a great trail bike and getting to the trail at 65 is no prob. Easy to put in a pick up truck, and lots of fun. Bullet proof engine (love them in Aus and SAmerica) when parts are weeks away. A few hundred bucks for a FMF pipe and jet kit gives another 15lbs of T , and a much better off roader.
This is one of the most thorough reviews man, thank you! I’ve been thinking of another bike so I Think I’m leaning towards the dr650! I already have a bmw 800gs. So it seems logical to lean more on the dirt side of things.
My pleasure!
I had the 2003 DR650 which I did a few upgrades on.. I'm torn between another one of the XR650L
The three of these are great bikes. The klr is a lil too bulky and heavy for my liking but honestly can't go wrong either way
Xr lightest most parts and coolest Honda’s run forever
Spot on assessments. I've had the KLR and DR. One thing I'd add, though anecdotal, is probably correlated to the power to weight issue. But I consistently got better MPGs with the DR... if I rode the DR like I stole it and rode the KLR like it was running on the last tank of gas in the world, I'd still get 5 mpg better on the DR. Riding both under normal conditions the DR consistently got 10 mpg better.
Thanks, exactly the information I wanted. Huge bummer however. There is a beautiful 2018 klr for sale, 10,000km, in my town. But my 650 VStrom is fantastic on fuel, consistently under 4L per 100km, with a mix of riding and some throttle twisting. So what do I gain going to the klr? I’d loose about 20kg, loose an extremely comfortable mid distance bike. Loose lots of power and torque. But it’s a pretty bike and 6 years younger than my old wee.
@hair2050 Well, I've rode a Wee some, and the KLR is way better for dual sport adv riding. I'd stick with the Wee if I was married to the pavement, otherwise the KLR would be my #2 choice for a Swiss Army Bike after the DR.
@@demetriuscooksey7147 as I live down 4km of dirt road and 400M of dirt track I am an obligate dirt rider, and I do enjoy it. However I am also too old and grumpy to suffer a dirt bike the rest of the time. Thanks for your response. I think that I will wait and find something more modern and lighter. But I’d like to own the klr for a bit so that I am properly informed.
@hair2050 true. That's the only way to know for yourself. The one I've been thinking about as a do-all scooter is that Honda CB500X. Looks like it would ✔️ a lot of boxes.
@@demetriuscooksey7147 definitely high on my list. It’s a great little bike. Far more refined than a great big old thumper 😂. Have you seen the 2024 KTM 390 duke? Fantastic looking bike in looks and specs. I am waiting for it to morph into the 390 adventure and am seriously considering it. It will have similar power to the 500x but about 30kg lighter, lighter being high on my list of priorities.
After a few years or searching, I always come back to the DR650 even after getting a new MT10 this year. Definitely will be picking one up this summer for adv rides.
IMO, Those almost three extra gallons of fuel, the 400lbs total cargo capacity, and the ability to do 90-95 mph 24/7 on the highway makes the KLR unmatchable for a camping, adventure rider who plans on crossing international borders or crisscrossing the USA.
Klr is more an adv bike than dual sports imo and that's what i like about it
Doohickey
Creeps like you. 95 on the highway? You don't own the highway.
Great comparison video! And yes, the KLRs are now being sold again in the US.
This guy is a tottally genius when it comes too communicating specs about bikes I used a 350 dr as a motor shepherd in falklands my 200 dr blew up on me so I got a 350 . Always check your bikes yourself . I hadca leaky carb and my exhaust had a hole in it the mechanic said you be fine Che . I went out the carb inside was on fire I did not realise until the breather tank pipe on the cap was dripping lit fuel I stopped put it in to the wind it was blowing about fifty knots she blew as I got off a helicopter saw the the black smoke and hovered above put the flames and me out . I got a wee scar on my wrist . So I like this guy he knows exactly what's he's on about
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Great video comparison, I went through all of this research a couple of years ago when looking to purchase a dual sport. I found that the DR won due to weight and the fact that to me it seemed the aftermarket support for the DR far out did the Honda and Kawasaki. I do like all of the bikes and they all have pros and cons. The deal killer on the KLR was liquid cooling, it was just one more system to worry about out in the wilderness should something go wrong. I had a liquid cooled CR 250 that blew a radiator on a ride and I had walk the bike half way home, so that soured me on liquid cooled dirt bikes. Now most likely that was a one off scenario, but I'm still hesitant to this day.
I also found that out of all of the bikes the Suzuki was best bang for the buck, sad part was where i live at i spent a year looking for a decent used bike that was asking new prices. Did not find one used, but one of the local dealers had a previous years model you on clearance and I grabbed it. Very happy with DR so far and a big pile of modification parts in the corner on the garage to install at some point. The biggest draw back to all of these bikes is the fact you could pay for two by the time you get done putting on of the cool aftermarket parts on one!
Spend some time on the XR650L out in the boonies with new, recently-manufactured Continental TKC 80 or, even 70, tires And with the sag set accurately by a knowledgeable Honda Moto Service Department...then report back to us. [Yes, that pale, Tomato-red color that Honda uses is off-putting; my 2018 CRF250L Rally is not much better with the black-green-white colors. Honda Dealers--heck, All Moto dealers, could get a clue and offer a 3M wrap or powder Coating or paint service.]
I owned a 2008 DR-Z400SM purchased second-hand [archaic expression] from a KTM dealer outside Columbus, Ohio. Gearing was W-A-Y too high and the vibration, despite a counterbalancer, rattled loose my fillings--along with the Throttle lock (and left-side offset weight): a good argument for bar snakes and Rox elastomer Risers as well as a Sixth year. When it comes to 6 gears and stainless, braided brake lines, the European Moto Manufacturers positively Embarass the Japanese.
Regarding the Suzi + aftermarket parts = Second (Additional) bike: Motorcycle Consumer News [R.I.P] about Ten Years ago had an Editor who bought a DR650 and wrote a multi-part series of articles detailing the numerous (and I DO mean Numerous) upgrades and modifications. Someone (actually, many more than one) wrote in stating that the Editor Should Have Simply Purchased A KTM to begin with because he would have saved time And Money (all of which the Editor acknowledged, then pointed out that Far More Folks Owned DR650's than KTM EXC-F 500's/400 's, et cetera AND folks could buy the aftermarket parts out of ordinary cash flow).
I've had KLR and DR, DR is hands down better both on and off road, and the god thing with the DR is fr $850 you can get a 790 kit, so in my case I bought a $1900 '96 DR and put a 790 kit on it, so for $2750 I have a 55 hp 790 that weighs 365# and will run 90,000 miles
Do you find you get more vibration with the big bore kit? I have a pumper carb, full exhaust system and have done the air box mod. Has significant gains but doesn't run nearly a smoothly as my mate's stock DR.
@@adamrichards2072 what are you riding bro
@@sqalston DR650
@@adamrichards2072 The 790 piston weighs pretty close to the stock DR650 piston. Compression is a bit higher with the 790 though, but most ppl report minimal change in vibes. The rubber-mounted pegs, bars, seat, and rear hub make the DR pretty smooth for a big thumper, regardless of stock, high-comp, or big-bore piston. The gear-driven counter-balancer works pretty well too.
Opening the intake made my DRs feel more "visceral". Snorkeled DRs are ridiculously quiet and smooth. Just removing the snorkel makes them feel and sound more "thumpy". I actually replaced a cut airbox to reduce intake noise on one of my DRs. With stock exhaust, performance near sea level is pretty comparable with just a snorkelectomy, an adjustable overseas needle, and an extended idle-mix screw. A freeflowing exhaust may better utilize a cut airbox and a larger main jet, but most aftermarket muffs are harshly loud and require frequent repacking if you slab long trips.
uhh... update... the 2 or 3k all day long on craigslist is now 4 or 5k if you can even find these bikes in my experience in Colorado.
they will be 6-7k over the next four years after kalamari harris steals the election in november
Mostly dirt? Xr650L. Mostly street? KLR 650. Dont know? Dr650 + mods
Priceless
DR650 is the best motorcycle ever made hands down
Perhaps THE best single line review of the three bikes by themselves and in a group.👍🏼
Perfect explanation
DR650 ALL THE WAY😃😃😃😃
So, once again, Suzuki knocks it out of the park with a simple, reliable, and thoroughly-competent machine. It’s an extremely functional motorcycle, with none of the compromises that it’s two competitors have.
BINGO !!!!
Kawasaki gas got a better seat a bigger tank and a windscreen
Indeed it does, and the trade-off is more overall weight and a higher center of gravity, meaning lower performance both on and off road over the lighter and lower CoG of the Suzuki.
@@ryannafe9252it is carbed though. I feel like a fuel injected engine is such an easy way to ride.
@@mmeste5218How about valve adjustments?😂
Great comparison. Thanks for taking the time to do it - lots of good info
In 2017 bought a new XR650L and KTM 690R enduro (1st got 500exc got stolen 3ed day) 2 years later sold the KTM 690R since has no big gas tank upgrade. The lc4 is great but XR650L is a beast off road and great on road.
i have a fully decked out klr 650 1999 turquoise lakers edition, after some suspension upgrades it's amazing
Spot on review, nicely put together and straight to the point(s). Thanks for sharing!
2014.5 KLR, some of the best times of my life on this machine. Got me to work on a 100 mile round trip for 3 years
Gas Mileage ?
About 50 mpg
I really like these videos🙂
The dr 650 is older than you said btw. My friend has a 1993 model.
So do I. Back then they were kick start only.
I have the '92 model 🙂
I had a 1991 DR650R Dakar one of the best bikes I had - I lived in a desert area
caught something there about the XR not having an oil cooler. It does..The oil circulates through the frame to cool, thats why the dipstick for oil level check is at the frame neck of the bike.
nice to see real analysis rather than a focus on delivering pretty videos.
I have a plated Xr650r . Except for no electric start it’s lighter,faster and handles better. The ignition system is independent if the lighting system - it will run with out a battery .
my buddies xr650r was a beast but it likes to boil real quick in traffic
Great job on an un-biased comparison. I've owned all three and loved bits about all of them.
I lived off a KLR for all of 2022. Loved it. I put 70K miles since buying it in 2018. Still running good. Exhaust came shaft wore down a full millimeter though. Hah!
Please note the advantages offered by the Honda XR650L:
1) significantly Lighter than either the Kawi or the Suzuki;
2) no coolant to leak or freeze because it is air-cooled;
3) Far superior Suspension functionality And adjustability;
4) no Doohickey issues (can you hear me, Kawasaki KLR--Both Generations);
5) Bulletproof motor;
6) it's a Honda (not a Yamaha, unfortunately; too bad Yamaha has not recently made a 650cc Dual Sport)
I'm not fully versed in English so could you be so kind as to explain what "Doohickey " means ?
@@Davmm96 it is another name for the "Balancer Chain Adjuster Lever". The stock part is known to have issues.
then you go ahead and buy KLX650. problem solved
@ListenUpNotDown -- You can easily buy an aftermarket cush hub for the XR650L. If you're doing more dirt riding, the XR is the best of the three.
ListenUpNotDown i have a xr650l and the cush drive being missing is barely noticeable and i ride sportbikes and my harley.
Outstanding video! Thanks for sharing.
ALL HAIL "THE MIGHTY SUZUKI DR 650" - THE BEST TRUE 50/50 DUAL SPORT ON THE PLANET.
Suzuki freewind 650, honda dominator 650... nuff said
Yes .. Suzuki is better..👌🚀
Haaa, I knew you would say that..."The mighty fucken Suzuki DR 650"....LOL
@jeff deathrage I appreciate the kind response. Obviously I am quite biased - But even though you are a Honda Guy - which is totally awesome - check this out - if you have the time. This is my shit LOL....
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❤️ my DR650. Dropped 20lbs off her and like it even better
What do you think of the Honda NX650 Dominator with a few changes to make it more suitable for off-road use, such as a new front fender, different tires, a shorter gear ratio and weight savings by changing the fairing?
Great video!! Last year I bought a 2022 klr and this year I bought a 2023 klr. Both fuel injected and great bikes. Best of both worlds I say.
I think that you are spot on. I have owned a 2014 XR650L and currently own a 2012 KLR650. The KLR requires a lot of tinkering (head pipe, KLX carb needle and richer pilot jet, air box modification to breathe better & exhaust) just to feel the same snap as the XR has from the factory. However the KLR is a better mini adventure bike than you could ever make the Honda into because of its road manners especially at speed. I do a lot of dirt riding (finding and discovering deep woods fishing spots and enjoying getting away from people) as well as jumping and road hooliganism. Therefore the XR is a better throw around wheelie bike. Really nice job on the video!
After having owned 18 motorcycles and looking for the Goldie Locks bike do it all.............I found an -83 Honda XL600R with two carbutators. This one is about 45Hp, and for its design in the early 80's this bike is simply genious. Excellent torque and plenty of ooommph for a 40 year old bike.
The biggest thing for me, living in Mexico, price apart, is the fact all those bikes are carburated. In case I want to replace the muffler, with a lighter, free-flow one, install a better air filter, with a vented cover, I need only to replace the jet on the carb, with an experienced mechanic, to properly adjust the fuel to airflow. With fuel injection, you need to reflash the ECU, which is a more complicated and expensive process to do.
This guy is one of the VERY BEST reviewers for bikes on YT. Absolute legend and I trust his advice completely. BTW, He has fantastic reviews on the new Africa Twin and Kawasaki 1600 KTL 6cyl - fascinating - check 'em out! I have a 2005 DR650 (yellow model) and it is still near new - 3K on the clock and I HAVE to start riding more 🙂. I was really surprised to see the XR has those oil-cooler-less specs and the rear cushion hub omission - seems totally NON-Honda like. I'm a Honda luvva from way back, really wanted an XR but simply HAD to choose the DR on specs and feel when ridden. I'm a shorty at 167cm (5'6"). The special lowering link for DR had me SOLD!! Flat footer now! I'm happy with my DR and BigRockMoto man has re-affirmed myu decision all those years back - I bought NEW after riding each bike. Cheers to all from Sydney Australia!
I have the DR, my brother has the XR, 3 friends have the KLR. Bottom line is this...They all do the same thing; which one do you like better. That's it...We all end up in the same beautiful area. It's all really about the fit to your body and personal preference. I spent a lot of time looking at all this stuff. But I am pleased with my choice, as the others are with theirs...You can not go wrong with any....However, the Honda 's lack of cooling does suck and causes a bit of stress, even though it's never really been a issue...........
You could lower any one of these bike's, loosen the triples and slide the front end up or down. Those Honda XL / XR's go back into the 70's and very few changes were ever made. Only one missing from this Era would be the XT
I had the older KLR and never had a problem with it my sun is still riding it. I all so had the DR 650 and loved it more power for off road and a bit better on the windy roads. also much better off road and on gravel roads, but the KLR was also quit good. as for high way driving never had a problem with the DR 650, don't need wind protection, the feel of the wind on your chest is want biking is all about. The only draw back with the DR is the small tank. Hate having to look for gas all the time I just want to ride. Good Video, thanks. The Honda gas tank way too small and much to high for me.
Agreed but thankfully gas tanks are easy to change on the honda and suzuki
i am still lovin & ridin my big red pig, although with some number of mods,.. new in 2016, great vid!!
Such a well done video.. i wanted it when it 1st came out... and I'm now watching it again and i am still intrigued and catching new things i missed the 1st time
Glad you enjoyed it!
@@BigRockMoto great channel brother
Sealed the deal for me... the DR650 it is.
I still LOVE my 1983 xl600r (xr600l in US). Its in regular use (road mainly). Engine never been rebuilt. 1st owner was a farmer who never serviced it. I still decimate current superbikes off the mark at the lights. Couldnt wish for a better bike. Just need cash to do a rebuild...
It does 160km/h 100mph... done 5hour in one go trips at 120km/h - very tiring but makes you tough! Carbs arent happy so its a workout starting right now.... but turns far more heads than a custom harley esp when the thunder comes on line and i leave the parking garage on my back wheel.
My DRs can"t even take a Jeep Wrangler off a stoplight. The front end comes up in 1st or 2nd. I'd flip over backwards trying to gas it harder.
@@RKmndo wheelbase is very short then? I just beat an M3, and masseratti 222 twin turbo cant pull away from me. The XL600R is longer than XR.
2 xl600r's in my stable. Running great. 322 lbs. Don't think they're that quick, but ok!
@@richardvalitalo3670 let them breath. Maybe you have restricted ones? Exhaust is critical and then the correct jetting. Mine is in a shockingly bad condition and a turbo AMG GL mercedes could not catch me up to 120km/h on a steep upramp onto the highway last night, with me having to back off due to clutch slip. :-)
Yes
T his guy is a very good source.
I just had a 2008 KLR650 I traded for a Ford Ranger, it really wasn't as heavy as you think. It was well balanced and bullet proof. The XR650L is my favorite. The DR650 is really fun and feels like it makes the most power. The KLR650 believe it or not for me did just as good off road as the DR650 because my KLR was stripped down with no fairings or anything. The KLR was a heavy bike but you pop the clutch and you can wheelie it. Lol I almost 12' it by accident. Also my subframe bolts and suspension were my only problems on the KLR.
Having experienced all three bikes and having just sold my Kawasaki Tengai (you old school guys know what that is), the Kawasaki wins hands down. Is it heavier, yes. Less suspension travel and ground clearance, yes. But where it really shines is adventure riding and offroad touring. The fairing gives better wind protection which is less fatigueing on long rides. It is quieter and the centre of gravity is lower. The increased weight of the KLR makes it sit better on the road and not get blown around by the wind and passing trucks. The Honda was the worst for this and almost dangerous. It is a higher bike and just one big sail. You sit in the KLR and on the other two and totally exposed to the elements on both the DR and the XR. The seats on the XR and DR are woeful at best. At least with the KLR it doesnt feel like your sitting on a park bench (looking at you XR) and that big tank is a needed when travelling long distances. Plus it runs cooler being liquid cooled. My legs use to roast on the DR. And finally there is much, much more aftermarket parts to farkle your KLR to your own tastes. Over a million KLR's produced and when you need to get a part in Dogshitistan its a better bet its going to be available than either the Suzuki or Honda. KLR for me and the Tengai was the best of those.
I'm currently bubbling with excitement over the prospect of getting my first dual sport tomorrow! It's a 2018 KLR with only 5k on the dial. There is a BMW 650 GS also, I'm kind of torn between the two because the BMW Rotax engine is very reliable and gets an astounding 75 mpg. I'll be doing some city commuting for work, but I'd really like to travel backroads, blacktops, and gravel roads. Not any particular destination in mind, just exploring and going down roads I've never been on. I'll admit that I really hate getting cold-and the ergonomics and standard heated grips on the GS are enticing. I can kit out a KLR for optimum comfort and wind protection can't I? Also, does the 2018 KLR model need the doohickey fix?
Understood, but I see far more Honda, and Yamaha dealers in SE Asia than Kawasaki, or Suzuki.
I do wish Honda made an ADV version of their XR650.
@@Winterstick549 They will, next year I think they are going to release the new Transalp!!
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Love to see that!
@@Winterstick549 me too, a smaller version but no less capable CRF1000L would be awesome. Also waiting for the new Norden 501!!
Great video. Thank you for all the information.
I appreciate all your work, ive owned a lot of bikes, loved my XR650R, way diff from the L! Great reviews and info!
Apples and bananas
I've never ridden on the road and trying to decide whether to buy a beginner bike or just go ahead and get a 650.
A no nonsense review
Excellent review my friend
as ive grown older to near 60 im on my 3rd xr 650l. since they came out in 93. they are bullet proof and more for the offroad. The after market is supportive and they are really easy to work on. Im sold!
some great info here, thanks... all are great bikes... im a bit of a DR fan-boy right now, loving mine (modded out) for some sweet little "adventures"
I have a 98 XR 650 L with 20,000 dirt and gravel miles on it I only have had to change the oil that's all still rides like new
I'm debating on the DR and XR. At 6'2" i like taller bikes. But, the DR sounds like a better street bike. I actually prefer a lower seat for single track. I like the soft drive and oil cooler. Hmmm, but i love Honda. Hmmm, which one...
I bought an xrl with 1800 miles on it went for a long ride in the middle of nowhere and it stripped the counter shaft splines all slick like it jumped into neutral I rewelded and shaped new splines on the counter shaft (while on the bike) using micro diamond grinding bits got it to looking new again and stuck a cb500x sprocket 13t (smaller counter shaft sprocket equals less chain snatch much easier on the drivetrain) with a slight modification it slides right on and so far I have 19,000 mi on it still tight as a drum so far
I haven't had any issues with my Dr but I only have about 5,000 miles on it some of it's known defects have been corrected but the worst one remains that neutral switch I just keep an eye on the neutral light to make sure it doesn't flicker so far it hasn't acted up my BPR XRR has been solid as a rock so far I don't know if they even have many weak points on them still flawless after about 20,000 miles I have an old XT 550 that makes an awesome trail bike it's pretty bulletproof too pretty much all I do is ride it very smooth comfortable bike it is to ride with that big fat cushy '80's seat and low seat height she's definitely a winner for those Rocky gravelly washed out hills I ride on 😁👍
I really like that desk
Very professional review thanks. 👍🏼
Glad it was helpful!
Bought a new klr in 05 loved it, in 06 traded for a brand new Harley...fast forward to 5 months ago started to realize I still missed offroad riding so bought a new xr. The klr was more comfortable, but wanted more of a dirtbike for screwin around plus the honda feels snappier down low.
Save the hog for long rides and the pig for dirt roads😁
I love my brp
This is an excellent comparison
Kawasaki KLR is back now for 2022 & it's even heavier. 460.6 pounds. Yes it packed on 40.6 more pounds. I don't have a 37" inseam & I prefer electric start over kick start so that means no Honda for me. I prefer the Suzuki & I'd buy one today but I swore I would never buy another carbureted bike. These will probably all have carburetors forever.
where are you seeing any of these bikes for 2k or 3k?
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funny that you say the klr has a lot of support. here in aus the dr650 has the support and the popularity because it's more reliable and better offroad, the xr650l hasn't been sold here since 2008.
interesting that you lament the loss of the klr and then recommend not buying a new bike. if no one buys a new bike they cease being produced. my opinion is if you can afford it and you plan on keeping the bike or doing extensive travel buy a new one the value is in the years you keep it for or the trouble free adventure bike holiday with warranty.
Another great video. I must have missed this upload a few weeks ago. I ride a KLR
KLR is King but man I do miss my dr650 my first bike ever
LOL - All hail THE MIGHTY SUZUKI DR 650 !!!!
Very well done comparison. Kudos.
Also, the R model wasnt always liquid cooled, ive owned one of those also that was a 95 or 96 model i think and the only difference between the L and R was compression ratio, the stator, no battery on the R, and the cam on the R... of course im not counting the lights, mirrors, and dot tires
New to your channel but have been truly enjoying your vids. 2nd time XR owner who knew he was riding 99% off-road. I bought the 1200 GS/A to satisfy my road miles with Forest roads for MC camping. I rode the XR for the Palmdale>Vegas and while not a KTM or other modern bike, it held it's own, albeit towards the back, but the bike is literally indestructible. Easy to maintain and I would trust it anywhere (except a UT Interstate with a 80mph speed limit). Keep up the great work.
Good review. The Gen 2 KLR is 460 lbs wet, though, not 420 - that was the wet weight of the Tengai from the 90s.
Great video.. thanks for the review.
If I had the money I'd pass on any of them and buy a Husky 701. But after a ton of research on the DR, I think the XR comes out on top. Just add an oil cooler and a few mods and it's better all around.
Agreed.
If someone put a gun to my head and said, "You're going to buy a 650cc bike from the 1980's . . . or I'm going to blow a hole in your head," I'd pick the XR for sure. Better yet would be a Honda XR600R that was streetified -- as long as it had electric start. (Not sure whether you can add electric start to a 600R.)
I would get three extra jobs so I could afford a better bike before I would buy a DR650 or KLR650.
@@linguinatorschwartz9309 I have owned two xr600r still have my 91 model I agree great bike disagree with electric start. Get tdc Both bikes start first kick seldom need 2nd kick. Why add a heavy battery and crap to it? You can add one from the 650l apparently though if you desire. May as well just get a 650l though if you do that though
@@bush600r2 -- May as well just get a second job and save up for a KTM.
WHATEVER IT TAKES.
Honestly, why are we discussing the purchasing and riding of motorcycle designs that are 30 or more years old ? ? ?
Why ?
My KTM 500 EXC-F has electric start and a battery and yet it tips the scales at 244 pounds. The KTM 690 -- which is far more streetworthy than the 500 or the XR650L -- weighs 320 pounds, which is the same as the DRZ400 and a hundred pounds less than the stupid KLR650.
Again, why are we discussing bikes from the previous century ? ? ?
@@linguinatorschwartz9309 I was just answering your question about the xr600r that you said If you had a gun to your head you would choose?? That's why we're are discussing a old bike cause you asked and I informed you how you could put a electric start in but am baffled by why people want to cause they start so well. Unless you have a leg injury or are short or something fair enough. Anyhow mate didn't mean to come across angry or rude or what ever so sorry if I did. The xr600r is a great reliable bike and I'd have one over a ktm any day but that's just my opinion. They are becoming collectable and better to be kept fairly original.
@David Squibular -- If you believe that you are sadly uninformed. Theres no shortage of guys who are doing round-the-world trips on KTM 500s, and they have ZERO reliability problems. Look at Rever.com. Look at ADV.com.
Do your homework, do some reading, and stop being stuck with a 1990's mentality about European motorcycles. There's really no excuse for it. They are NOT unreliable. Do a search for the name "Aaron Steinmann." He's one of the many RTW (round-the-world) riders and he put 62,000 miles on a KTM 500 EXC-F before rebuilding it.
Get your head out of the last century.
From my teenage years back in the 1970's until about five years ago, I swore up and down that I'd never own a European motorcycle. I considered them to be "off-brand." Only the Japanese Big Four were worth having. And until somewhere between 2005 to 2010, that was true. But in the last 15 years KTM has absolutely blown past the Japanese companies and has made them look like absolute FOOLS.
All of the Japanese bikes are either from the 1980's or the 1990's or they're cookie-cutter copies of the OTHER Japanese companies' bikes. The Japs REFUSE to think outside the box and their bikes are stuck in a perpetual state of sameness. Meanwhile, year-by-year, the people at KTM keep making their bikes more advanced and more modern and lighter. And they're very, very reliable.
I don't care how reliable a Suzuki DR650 is. A KTM 500 is similarly reliable and weighs over 100 pounds less. The KTM 500 weighs 244 pounds. The KLR 650 weighs 417 pounds. The only place the DRZ or the KLR is better is on the highway -- because heavier bikes are better at higher speeds. But highway riding isn't why I buy a single-cylinder, dualsport bike.
New 023 XR650l is available. It has be>3 years since this comparison was made. It's time for a current comparison
As always great content! Great comparison