I had an old xl 600 thumper, could flog it in the bush all day & never had any problems with air cooled engine. My boys on the other hand had smaller water cooled, high reving bikes that I had to rebuild when they blew up. Air cooled thumpers forever.
Same here, XR500, XR600, never had heating problems. But with the water-cooled bikes you need to worry about plumbing, or holes in the radiators, or fluids to low.
DR's are not water-cooled but come with a factory oil cooler. However, once you add a Sutton oil cooler, KKbike sprocket and an Ignitech CDI the XR is pretty much unstoppable
Oops, thanks for the correction! My old DR750S was definitely air-cooled, but I've never had a newer DR650SE. Did you see a noticeable difference with the Sutton oil cooler? It gets well into the 100s here in summer.
@@GreaseAndGravel i live in India and its 45 deg C in Summer. The Sutton makes the oil stay at 250F on long riding days. Short runs it stays at around 215 to 225F. Making the fuelling a bit on the rich side makes it run cooler but mine still returns 20 kmpl even on a bad day. Id recommend you change your plugs and add a good flowing air filter , probably remove the baffle in the exhaust to compliment the changes.
Thanks, Alinel! I appreciate the feedback. Yeah, 45 deg C is common in summer here as well. I'll definitely look into that Sutton cooler. What is your jet sizes and altitude? I think I may have gone too large on the pilot and main considering I am at 600m above sea level. I was shocked to see 12 kmpl. I've replaced the plug, installed a TwinAir foam filter and removed the snorkel. Might remove the baffle in the exhaust, but worried about it being too loud.
It was really hard choosing my DR650 over this bike, but I’m on the road so much and plan for possible highway riding. My DR is my daily commuter as well. I wish I owned both as well as a new Klr
I’ve had four xrs and they all chewed the slimes off of the counter shaft; and you must completely disassemble that motor to replace that shaft. I just welded this last one on there.
It's a tall bike and not very suitable for short riders. But the 650cc is great for freeway cruising speeds which i adventure riding I think is needed!
Yeah, it is a great bike for touring on gravel roads and some more technical off-road. At either extreme (i.e. freeway on the one end and technical single track on the other) there are better bikes. But possible no better all-rounder.
I can't believe you had a DR BIG and got rid of it.... just the meme worthiness of it is worth keeping it around 😅 I'm pretty sure nobody still has created a single cylinder thumper larger than that monstrosity (800cc's, technically 779).... I love the XR650L, but if I had a DR BIG, I definitely would've kept it around lol.
I ride a lot of long distance trips and did a trip to S.A. on a DR650.When I got Home the head was cracked.Bad gas in Peru I think.128,000 kms on the bike. Then a trip around Australia on a KLR.No problems but a pig to ride.Lots of kms. on the bike when I bought it.Not sure how many I put on as the speedo drive quit. This summer I rode across Canada.Did almost 20,000 kms. before my tranny packed 'er in.The bike had 104,000 kms. on it.I had to haul it home in a pickup truck. As much as I like my DRs,I'm done with them and are thinking about the Honda XR 650 L. I do all my own own work on my bikes and don't mind modifieing things to go the distance I like to ride.Whatever it takes. Do you think the Honda XR 650 L can go the distance without a catastrophic failure? Great review.
Hey, Robert! for some reason, your comment was flagged (not sure why!) for manual approval. Just saw it now. Sorry! Wow, you've done some epic trips!! To be honest, after owning both, I'd choose the KLR without a doubt. Mine was in a much worse state than this XR, but I still trusted it more. Can't really say why, maybe it is me who changed over the last 10 years. That said, I don't think you can go wrong with either of the 3 (DR, KLR, XR) if the bike is maintained. XT might even be better if you can find them over there.
I just bought a used XL650L and I wish I would have seen this before I bought it, but now I have it and you glossed over my only complaint. Number 11. I am 6.0ft tall and I cannot push it backwards from a parking spot. I am on my tip toes. What did you do if anything to lower yours? I mainly bought mine for riding into town when I am out boondocking or exploring where I am camping. So I don't push it hard like a dirt bike. Is there a good way to lower it an inch or so?
Hey! Thanks for the comment. I wouldn't worry about the height. You get used to it. I am also 6ft (183cm actually) and have to tip toe it. I've dropped it a few times, but because it is light I just pick it up again. The ground clearance is a plus. You need to check out my latest video where I compare it to my old KLR. There I mention a bunch of the positives. Enjoy your bike!! Ps. I've heard of riders using lowering links. Maybe look into that?
@@GreaseAndGravel Thanks I am actually going to buy a sag gauge from Rocky Mountain and check the sag. If it is off I will adjust the sag, and if it is good, I will take your advice and try and get used to it. Thanks for the response, I will look for the other video thanks for the heads up.
Why, the design is very similar to a 1983 xl 600, the bike is almost 100 pounds heavier tha a 10 year old ktm 500 exc, the suspension sucks, the motor makes less power than a 10 year old ktm 350.
Air cooled is not a down side dude. It is a huge bonus as it makes a super simple and reliable engine. No water pump, water leak, radiators to get leaks. And no over heating is not a risk or problem. These were designed and ran in the deserts of baja Mexico at full tilt and over heating wasn't an issue.
Thanks for the reassurance, Randy! The only air-cooled thumper I've owned was the old XT500 (oh, and a DR750Big, but didn't have that one for long). My KLRs' cooling systems never gave any issues. But I hear you. I guess as long as you maintain it properly (oil changes, valve clearance and proper jetting)? I love the simplicity! Have ridden some air cooled road bikes on very long trips without issue too.
The only possible issue is, as it's a dual sport, sitting in traffic. If youre in heavy traffic, you're not moving and you may overheat as there isn't any air flowing over the cooling system, which is where liquid cooling becomes superior. Most have no issues with the air cooling though
@@youcefbelhacene3831 Sorry but that is no issue with the XR650L. It has a built into the frame oil reservoir that turns the whole frame into a giant heat sink. Keeping the engine cool. Honda are not idiots, nor has a bike that has been for sale since the 90s and known to be one of the most reliable bikes made have any issues with heat.
@@Randy_Cox no need to be sorry, I agree with you. as I said, thats an issue that may push people away from it, but in my personal experience and according to everyone who rides one, its a non issue. The XR is for sure my favourite bike. cheers mate
I been riding them since the 90s. Incredible, durable tough bike! Ridden them hard in the dirt, done many jumps with them. By far the best! The only slight problem i have, is the weight of it. I'm 5'6 160lbs so it's quite a big bike for me but i still kick ass on it!
Yeah, it is a lovely bike and I may be starting to fall in love with it. I am not experienced in the dirt, and the weight is a bit much for me. Just need to get over it and get better.
Thats a heck of a bike to shred on with those stats! 👍 Im not a big guy either at 5 10 and 210lbs and consider the XL650 a horse to hop on, but will admit its always been a light on its feet bike when up and moving (hardpack and outta whoops 😊)
Yes, I’m 5’7” 165lbs and can handle my CR250 quite well so I’d say this bike would be just right for me too…just bought mine and it’s on its way. Height shouldn’t be an issue…don’t let others discourage you.
Been riding mine for years I'm 6ft 1 and it kicks my ass so top-heavy it was brand-new but and now it looks like a piece of pizza... I have a sticker on it ,,,, dirt worshiping treehugger
Fantastic video! As a now 20 year owner (purchased new in 2002), I can attest to the veracity of the issues you outline, every single one of them. They are all, however, relatively easy and for the most part inexpensive (sometimes free) to correct. In order, I have never missed having the cush drive, and I only run XR650R countershaft sprockets. The slack in the chain quickly goes unnoticed, it's just a by product of all of that suspension travel. I've done my level best to break the rear subframe and have not yet succeeded, despite some spectacular crashes when heavily loaded. Air cooled / too lean? You already found the answer - Dave's mods. The jetting recommendations need to be adjusted for your local altitude and climate. Play with it and you'll get it right. I love my six gallon Acerbis tank, even though it makes the bike even more top heavy when full. I take extended wilderness trips, so its added range (I can go 240 miles) is appreciated. Moose Racing makes a great rear rack, but you do need to give up that little tool kit. I put a Moose Racing bag on the front fender instead. I think you are right in that the pinched wiring loom is not a common problem - mine isn't. Honda have fixed the CDI box quality problems in the last few years. After replacing them seemingly annually for the first few years, my newest one is now five years old, purchased from Honda. It's possible I just got lucky, but others report the same. And "tall"? Of course. That's part of why we buy them. That said, at 6'1" with a long for my height inseam to boot, I found it impossible to "dab" on technical single track. An adjustable Soupy's lowering link fixed that, and being adjustable, it takes minutes to go back to full height for some open desert type bombing. So, yes, my experience confirms that the issues you raise are certainly real. The "known fixes", however, are not expensive nor difficult. Once completed, the bike becomes far more enjoyable and "user friendly". I would encourage you to work your way through them as so many of us have. You won't regret doing so. Have fun on your "Big Red Pig"!
Thanks for the awesome and comprehensive comment!! I appreciate it. I still regret selling the XR and would love to own (and properly mod) one again one day. I just love that Honda still sells primitive and simple platforms like the XR new today. Cheers!!
@@GreaseAndGravel Yeah, it was funny - no sooner had I submitted my comments than the next video suggestion popped up, and I saw that you had sold it! Oh well, with all of the subscribers and views your channel gets, maybe my comments will help someone. Or, like you say, maybe there is another "Big Red Pig" in your future. Too bad is appears somewhat difficult to equip and support one down in your corner of the planet - I guess I often lose sight of how spoiled we are, here in the U.S., where we take such things for granted. Have fun on your new bikes, and ride safe.
@@4570duplex Thanks man! Yes, they only sold the XR here for a few years and Honda has to order everything from Japan. It's only Amazon that really ships to SA, so parts are a problem. That said, I would still love to ride an XR again some day (once I've honed my dirt riding skills a bit more). Thanks again for the comments.
I agree 100%! That's why I've always wanted one. The simpler the better. My only concern on any trip is reliability and being able to get moving again if something breaks down.
@@GreaseAndGravel If you follow this guy on instagram (dirtybmc) he has taken his across parts of Africa with no oil cooler and made 16,000 miles on the bike with his starter being the only mechanical failure besides flats. Also I have a oil temperature gauge on my xr and I run shell rotella 5w40 with a little lucas oil additive and the highest I have ever seen my oil temp get is 225 and that at cruising at 55 to 60mph. I personally think people freak out over this thing not having an oil cooler but in my opinion it seems to be a gimmick
I've had most of the 650 Singles, and what I noticed is they(at the end of the day, after chasing all the mods online) Run better stock, smoother less vibration. There i said it, LOL, thanks for the video
Hi have to agree with you. I love doing mods and stuff of these bikes, but you have to imagine that the Japanese engineers had some idea of what they are doing. Funny thing is, as much as I love doing mods on my bikes, I prefer buying a stock standard one.
@@SASQUATCH205 Did you dyno the bike Before & After to prove it? Us human beings are extremely subjective and emotional commodities, I've seen it a 1000 times where where a little extra noise from the intake and exhaust Thoroughly convinces owners that their bike or car is making way way more power. But if you looked at it on a Dino chart Before & After many times it's the same or just a little bit more and sometimes worse. I can't Remember if the 650LI had was modded or not, But I had the older XR 600 L and oh and Yamaha XT 600, and they did not run any better than stock with jetting a pipe etcetera.
@@7x779 the bike runs better with proper jetting, the bike (most bikes) comes from the factory running very lean to pass bullshit emissions test, this is not what honda wants, it's what they HAVE to do, if you think a bunch of worthless crap stopping up the engine makes it run better, you don't know anything about engines, please don't spread ignorance.
U might be able to get XR650R but not for price, or with electric starter, or street legal out of the box also thay stopped making XRR'S along time ago most of them have been raced and aren't in very good shape besides that my XRL IS PUMPED so bring on your XRR !!!!!!!THANKS from NOR-CAL
Thanks, @@chrisiollich4890! Yeah, the XRR's are super scarce and expensive here in SA too and I kinda like having some things on the bike that needs to be 'improved'... for me that is part of the fun. Plus, the XR650L has enough go juice for my riding style. Cheers from the bush in Africa
My buddy's got one, I keep up with no problem with my 650L. Your forgetting the electric start, might be an issue for some to get that 650R to fire up, I laugh at my friend, keep in mind we are riding at high altitude (Eastern High Sierra)
After having no success at finding a used xr650 in my area, I lucked into an ‘89 nx650, and I’m glad I did. It seems a more refined bike to me. It has a tach, a larger tank, a true dual exhaust, a lower front fender with a fork brace, a proper luggage rack, and the seat height is just over 34”. The previous owner swapped out the carb for a Mizuni, thus eliminating the issues with the stock carb. I couldn’t be happier with how it handles the terrain in the north cascades, where I live, and it’s plenty comfortable at highway speeds, as well.
Love my XR 400r has no problem keeping up with the pack I'm lugging hills that 450s and two strokes are screaming on I like the 650 but I'd have to go with the 600r, every 600r or 650r is wicked but the best I think is the 1986 Scott summers edition XR 600r Kaplan America has the cleanest one I've ever seen. The 600r or 650r has everything you wished the L does and is still great dual sport bike XR rider to the casket 💯💪 best bike Honda ever produced
I have an XR650L and I had issues with starting too, after a RUclipsr suggested the Pulse Generator can fail over time with heat, I replaced this first as it was the cheaper option over the CDI unit and lucky for me no more starting problems. This did mean removal of engine case on clutch side but with care it was very easy to replace. Finally we here in Australia cannot buy the 650L new, Honda stopped selling them in 2008...have no idea why, as they are still popular in the second hand market. All the best in your adventures.
Thanks for the support, Jim. Yeah, here in SA they also stopped the XR650L many years ago (not long after my 2012). That's why I had to have one when I saw this one. Thanks for the info on the Pulse Generator. I think my problem is still jetting-related.. there is no difference in idle speed if I turn the mixture screw, so I thing the pilot may be wrong size. It starts, but always needs a few cranks. I will definitely keep that in mind though! Cheers and enjoy!
It's been in production for over 30 years-and Honda hasn't hardly changed anything. (Why change near perfection?) They're tanks-uber reliable and IMHO better than the KLR650. As far as the buffer on the sprocket, it's just a creature comfort that'll wear out and we can't have that along with it being air-cooled, so no worries over all the baggage that comes with a liquid cooled. I'm pretty psyched over this relatively unknown gem from Honda because it's something I can ride out to the family farm, fill up with gas and go trail busting on the same ride. (Of course you could have the excuse of needing TWO bikes for each duty.) I like how Honda has kept these simple because they know adding anything is just something that can potentially break while off roading.
I watched Chris Scott's hour long film of their 2003 Desert Travels through the Sahara on 3 XRLs. I've got a new respect for these bikes now and I will be keeping mine! :)
I have a 2002 650l and I guarantee I ride it 100% harder than this guy. I jump it I ride wheelies and ride through mud and over logs anywhere I want. All these problems he's naming off have never been a problem to me. Like any off-road machine maintenance determinss longevity. I've never had any major problems with my bike. It's bulletproof best on road off-road bike ever made hands down! He made a list because he's been shellshocked with all those other bikes he had before! 🤣 To properly ride this bike you have to man handle it like your trying to tear it up. It's not for the faint of heart.....
You are 100% correct! I do not have the skills to ride this thing as it should be ridden. Glad you are enjoying yours! I agree on the maintenance, though. Most of the 'issues' are due to poor riding and poor maintenance. Cheers
Honda Accord cars had he poor solder joints on their cars Starter/Fuel pump unit, for about 30 year window, Yes just re-solder all the connection ponts, take about 30 minutes and will be golden!.These bikes have lots of upgrades to make them way better bike, Front fork brace, Different handlebars, hand lever protectors with covers, 12v USB mont on handlebar, Different LED lights way better then stock brighter, Head light LED way better then stock. Nice wider longer rear rack that is bolt on . Better exhaust pipes giving a few ponies freed up. The F/R sprockets harder steel and better chain materials too. Front fender with a tool pouch kit easy strap to carry tubes. ALWAYS carry as many tools as p[ossible! Bigger fuel tanks and better battery too. I think there is a different carb for these too and a EFI available though not 100% sure its quality durability. Ya these are a great bike and upgrades galore well worth it. Tire upgrade are a must for dual purpose too.
Honda XR and XL range have been head and shoulders above the others for years. Still available in South and North America. This guy has an itchy arse. Never satisfied. Many dirt bikes DO have cush drive boet! Mine lasted 69000km and I sold it in good condition. Many miles Mpumalanga forrests.
I did make a video on the stuff I like about the XR too. Each bike/car has pros and cons. But you are 100% right about the itchy arse!! It is a problem. I am quite satisfied with my current garage ;)
I think your electrical harness is in the wrong location. I believe it was assembled wrong at the dealership. For the CDI. I have fixed mine but they are available from Rocky Mountain atv for $18 US. I realize you are in South Africa but it might be worth saving up for a tank a few primary drive brand front sprocket, maybe a couple after market CDI boxes from Rocky Mountain atv. They have taken a liking to the xr650l and have tons of neat little bits and bobs.
Interesting about the wires being possibly kinked. My 2008 dr650 has a short on similar area when I turn hard left at walking speeds. Handlebar risers apparently cause too short of wiring. Never any other times.
I did Dave's mods carb mod to my 08 BRP. I also added an FMF pipe (retained factory header), removed smog pump and replaced w/ baja smog kit, changed out front sprocket from 15 to a thicker 14 teeth..and the difference is very noticeable...it went from being a Japanese sewing machine to being a real 650! After getting it back together from carb mod and sprocket swap, within first minute of test ride I gave her a little to much welly, and spun the back tire on the rim effectively shearing off the valve stem, so be careful of that...and of front wheel wanting to come up while accelerating into a leaning turn! That bike is a monster. I love it!
Thanks, Rick! Great to hear you are enjoying the bike and that the mods made an improvement. I did the same, apart from the FMF. The torque on this bike is addictive. Which jet sizes did you use and are you at sea level? And is that FMF pipe much louder than the stock one?
@@GreaseAndGravel hello! I did the Dave's mods following the guidance from one_terrabike how to 4:01 video to the letter, with 158/55 jets, and drilling vent holes to 5/32 i believe it was. The FMF pipe is MUCH louder. Much louder, deeper BRAP sound like the xr 75s we used to ride as kids (compared to the rin tin tinny sounds of our friend's yz 80s.) I love it! I bought the 2008 xr650 in 2017 with only 1100 miles on it. It is a beauty! I'm right at about a thousand feet elevation, and the 158/55 is absolutely perfect. No more missing out (throttle hesitation) or slow throttle response like before. I like your tire lock idea. I'm going to do that for sure. Thanks and have a great week!
@@rickshaw6198 Thanks for the info... yeah, then the FMF won't work here. The neighbors will come after me! I am glad to jetting worked out well for you. I think I've got mine dialed in as well now. Cheers man, have a good one!
I think the XR is a great choice for long leg. You'll just have to upgrade the suspension. Another option (albeit very heavy) is a KTM950 or 990. But that's a lot of bike to ride in technical terrain.
I have a neighbor who is selling a KLR650 and an XR650R… I can’t really decide. I think it’s because I want to get a sport bike eventually but I was suggested for a first bike try a dual sport, and off road in the mountain on our property. But not sure which would be better for what. I’ve seen XR650 is more fun.
@@GreaseAndGravel that’s what I was thinking that the XR650 r would be more fun… but my neighbor said he would sell me the KLR for 1800, and he would put me on that since it’s a more forgiving bike. Probably doing klr since well.. it’s much cheaper and I’ll still be able to ride on the trails.
I put a "kouba link " on mine and lowered the forks as much as possible. I have a 30" inseam. It's now doable, barely. It's been a good bike and hasn't hurt me too bad.
Always wanted one, but it was never sold in Europe. I had a 650 Dominator, did a tour in Morroco, then a few years later, went down from Switzerland to Gambia, 2 up. Bike had a big tank + 20l of fuel jerrican + 10l of water. Overall troubles, 2 rear shoks, that's it! Those honda engines are bullet proof. Ride safe and have fun.
Great and informative review!!! Great bike! I am also searching for the xr650l in good condition.... Now riding 250cc dual sport... Thanks 👍☺️ for sharing the info with us!! Hello from Ukraine!!
Great video and great points. I did a lot of research and side by side comparisons between the Honda XR650L, KLR650 and DRZ650 before buying. I've always been a Honda guy but was open minded. Ultimately I bought a new XR650L two years ago and chose it because it better fits my riding style than the other two because it's more off-road capable and lighter. I'm about 80% off-road and 20% on-road adventure style riding. I immediately swapped the front sprocket for the Fritzco sprocket, added a skid plate and swapped the tank for a Clarke 4.7 gallon translucent tank so I can see the fuel level but other than those changes it's 100% stock. Love the bike. Far more power than I need, far more top end speed than I need and with the larger tank I have more range than I can stand to ride without stopping. It's very comfortable to ride and I took it on a couple longer trips last summer with no problems. The longest trip was 6 days at 1,072 miles and it was bullet proof off-road, on-road, freeway, you name it, the XR650L ate it up. Very comfortable on trails, at low speeds and at freeway speeds. Need a little more kick in the back side??? Just roll the throttle a little more and it's there.
I'm with you Craig. It is an awesome bike! I'm just waiting for my Fritzco's to arrive. Then all I need is a larger tank. I also like the translucent tanks. Looks cool and is useful to see fuel level. I currently also mostly ride in the dirt, and if I do go out of town I don't mind doing 60-65 mph (which I do comfortably even with the 14t CS sprocket). The small tank is just a PITA. I haven't gone on longer trips yet. The torque is addictive :) I think for someone that rides 50/50 (road/dirt) and longer distance, the KLR is a great option, as you don't need any mods from stock. Rode mine as is on multiple two-week trips... only did the rear shock once it wouldn't stand upright on its own anymore. But the mods are part of the fun. Did you keep the gearing standard?
@@GreaseAndGravel Glad you are getting out for longer trips no matter which bike you ride. They are all very capable in their own right. Just getting out and going is what it's all about. The small group I ride with all ride DRZ400's or KTM's. I was looking for smiles/$ so price was a factor plus they have been making them for a long time so they've worked out the bugs and there are plenty of aftermarket parts available. I know some people complain about that they haven't changed them but to me that shows they hit it right the first time, so to speak. I walked (rode) out of the dealership for $6,800 all in including 4 years tags for a brand new bike. I did keep the gearing stock. I thought about changing the tooth count on the CS sprocket when I ordered the Fritzco sprocket but decided against it. For me and my riding style I think the gearing is perfect. Tons of slow speed low end torque for the trails and it has no problem at high speeds, or at least high speeds for my comfort level. Freeway speeds of 75-80 mph is not a problem and that's really faster than I care to ride. I've long since aged past the adrenaline junkie part of my life so cruising in the 60-70 mph range is enough for me and it will do that all day long every day. Clarke makes a couple different sized tanks and I chose the 4.7 gallon tank because it's a direct swap for the stock tank. Their larger 5+ gallon tank requires raising the handle bars and remounting the turn signals. The 4.7 gallon tank will last me for a couple hundred miles which is plenty of range for the Oregon Back Country Discovery Routes.
@@craigmccue2841 I am totally with you. 70mph is enough speed for me. I'm a very cautious rider since starting a family a few years ago. I do love the acceleration from low speed though. That's why dirt riding is so much fun. Thanks for the info on the 4.7 gallon tank.. I'd prefer a straight swap. I'm getting different size Fritzco's... they are so easy to change so I'll swap back to stock if I go a bit further. And I totally agree that Honda not changing anything and still selling lots is a sign that they had something good from the start. Same with the KLRs and DRs. I am not looking forward to the day you can't get bikes like these in showrooms anymore. Cheers
@@GreaseAndGravel At 54 yrs old, my kids are grown and fortunately I've also grown out of the adrenaline stuff. Hopefully you'll be able to share your love of riding with your kids! Now I'm looking forward to still being able to ride at 70 or 80 years old, hopefully, so cautious is my riding style too. It's funny how one's perspective changes over time. I really enjoy exploring new areas and seeing things I've never seen and this bike is so perfect for that type of riding for me. I would love to take it and ride the TAT some day. I agree the acceleration from low speed is a kick in the ass, so much so that the factory back tire wore out with only 1,000 miles on the bike. Seems I still have a little throttle issue. Ha ha The tire I have on now will likely make 2,000 miles hopefully. Should have bought stock in tire manufacturers. I hope you get some great riding in this year. I just waiting for the snow and ice to melt than all you'll see is dust. Cheers!
@@craigmccue2841 Thanks man! I'd also rather still be riding at 70 than break bones now. The TAT sounds amazing. You are lucky to have so many roads to ride without leaving the country... I am also waiting for winter (your summer), as it is almost too hot to ride here at the moment! 🤣 Cheers!
Great video! Thank you for making it. I have a 650L and enjoyed watching this. I am glad that you mentioned the "height" at the end. I too was surprised at how high the bike sits. This makes climbing some things more challenging. My wife has an XR200 and I almost enjoy her bike more for climbing tough trails because I can touch the ground much easier. And I TOTALLY agree about the range that this tank brings you!!! You cannot go very far before that tank goes empty. Great video! Stay safe riding out there!
Thanks man, I appreciate it! Yeah, it was too tall for technical terrain. I never felt comfortable. Also, for spinning around, my legs was fully extended and I fell a lot. I can imagine that an XR200 is perfect. Keep well!
Just my luck. I bought a 2013 XR650L 3 days ago and just found your video today! I, like you have had a lot of dual sports (including the KTM 640 Adventure). But with me having just a 30" inseam (and inflexible at 73 years old) this bike is VERY tall! Not hard to ride, just hard to get on and off! Thanks for the video.
Thanks for the comment, Mike! And congrats on the bike. You get used to it, but it is a stretch. At least it is not THAT heavy. Wow, I am turning 40 tomorrow and I hope I will still be riding by 73! Respect. I just posted a video on stuff I love about the bike. I know of someone that has lowering links he wants to get rid of...maybe I can put you in touch. Enjoy the XR!
I've got an 08, about the same height, and I've found that if I stop and the ground is 4" lower than i thought, we're going down and all I can really do is try to drop it gently
Dont think so much. REMOVE THE AIR RESTRICTOR (under seat) .Put Dunlop AT tires on, 120 rear..85mph off road / 110mph hwy.. this thing is a beast and you better be an expert to handle it off road.. ride it like you stoled it, ride everyday in the Mammoth Lakes Ca area and into Yosemite Valley, I love this bike!.. oh dont forget to lose that pipe {white Bros) and lame tail light and mirrors..
@@GreaseAndGravel its gotta have the dunlop AT's on to be ridden on dirt, shes a bike bike ride her like you own her, I like it cause after a long dirt ride I can hit the hwy home, plus it's great to have a heavier bike riding on the hwy all the way into Yosemite Valley from Mammoth Lakes. Have fun...
@@johnwgibson24 Ah, thanks for the tip on the Dunlop ATs. I haven't seen them before. Was planning on the D606s, but the AT81 looks a bit more aggressive and is cheaper. Cheers!
@@GreaseAndGravel 120 rear 110 front. But be careful on the hwy, Scuff them up first so you dont wipeout on the street, I'll leave you now, bbrraappp !
I lowered mine 2 1/2" and haven't noticed any difference in the handling(lowering link & cut the foam down toward the front).Jets are 2 sizes larger than stock,wider front sprocket and wider foot pegs are a must. Some of your "negatives" are a plus for me-love the bike
By removing the seat cover & cutting the foam down(electric meat carving knife,about $35,and a wood"planer" that resembles a mini cheese grater).Re-installing seat cover was made easy with a pneumatic stapler.Also a rear lowering link plus lowering front forks 1 inch.It's still a little tall(i'm 5'10"),but i'm comfortable with it now.Some say that it "changes the geometry",but they're just trying to sound smart IMHO. I can't detect any difference
I just wish it would be available on the Dutch market and would come with a kickstarter. But not being able to buy it here is the main reason I don’t already own it
The XR650R was built for Baja Desert racing... they had a completely different engine (liquid-cooled) and frame (much lighter). And was kick-start only.
I agree with most of your comments. Despite them, its a solid bike. ITS THE MOST RELIABLE AND CONSISTEN 50 50 DUAL SPORT. I rode my friends ktm690 and couldnt wait to get back on my xr. More comfortable. His had more power. Klr650 is a solid bike bike but didnt fo asxwell in dirt. More of a commuter bike Love my xr. When i sold my first xr, i regretted it and bought another a year later.
Thanks for sharing! It really is a great bike and I actually tried to buy back mine (the one in the vid) a year later. But then found a 2006 1200GSA for the same price :)
Honda put a NX650 egine in a XR 600 frame.Same sprocket problem on my Yamaha TT 600.Street riding without chusdrive make it happen. I would never use a bike on the street without cushdrive again.THe XR650L have the most wide range gear spread in its class same as Dominator NX650.Very low first and long fith gear.
I would add to this list that the most glaringly annoying thing is is 1st gear is so low it's like a Granny gear and then there's a huge jump in ratio and RPM to 2nd gear. Then 2nd through 5th gear are so close to space together it's really wound out pretty high on the freeway. I liked everything else about the bike and didn't even notice the other issues you mentioned. If it had better space ratio, or even better yet a 6 speed, I would probably buy another one.
Yeah, none of the issues are too serious... but the gearing is super annoying. Especially if you do a lot of slow riding. Shifting between 1st and 2nd all the time should not be necessary on a bike like this.
Some people like the DR650 better because it does have a cush hub, and it has a large oil cooler. Like the other 650’s, people use the DR for around the world travel as well.
Thanks for sharing it! I am in a middle of a crisis , Idk what option is better the xr650 L or crf 300 rally L? Could you please guide me? I'm 6". Thanks in advanced from Costa Rica!
Hi Emmanuel. I am 6"1 and the XRL is a bit tall for me. You get used to it, but in tricky situations I've dropped mine a few times. If you are a very experienced rider, the XRL will probably be more fun, but on the balance, I'd probably go for the CRF300L or Rally. It's got EFI (better fuel economy), will be more comfortable on the road, less maintenance (no fiddling with carbs). The XRL is old technology. Nothing wrong with it if you like fiddling with bikes and modifying it etc, but if you just want to ride without any worries, the CRF will be better. Yes, you won't pop massive wheelies or do high jumps like on the XRL (but then again, I can't do those things on any bike anyways). My opinion doesn't really count much :) If you can, go ride both. And if you remember, please let me know what you decide!
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You've pretty well nailed the week points of the XR650L. With mine, I changed 1] Countershaft sprocket with a Fritzco sprocket, 2] went with a Seat Concepts seat cover and foam, to fix the uncomfortable stock seat, 3] put on an Acerbis 5 imperial gallon fuel tank to get decent fuel range, 4] installed subframe supports so I could put throw on soft panniers and sleeping bag, 5] run very high quality motorcycle spec [JASO MA2] full synthetic 20W-50 oil to offset small oil capacity and high heat of the package, 6] Did Dave's Mod on carb and reusable air filter, mainly to fix less than perfect throttle control and bad starting.
Thanks, Steve! Those are also on my list. I didn't know about the oil though... I must admit I don't read up too much on that due to the many opinions online... but I will definitely check it out.
@@GreaseAndGravel For sure. Oil use is a high priority on engines that place high demand on oil. I'm in Western Canada, where there are 2 oil testing bodies covering oil types here. API, [American Petroleum Institute] and JASO [Japanese Oil Standard Organization]. The oil you should look for to run in your XRL are API spec SG, JASO MA, or JASO MA2, and run 20W-50. I run Amsoil full synthetic ester 20W-50 which is tested JASO MA2, the highest category use covering wet clutch, and full gearbox/engine lubrication, perhaps the highest demand engine category an oil must run under. I often run my '08 to work commute in summer, 32-36C, full throttle, full throttle for 5-10 minutes sometimes to keep up with crazy highway traffic here, 150-155kms, pinned, pretty well top speed for my bike. No problems, 22,000 kms, does not burn oil. There are other JASO MA2 oils out there, full synthetic is the best for extreme use, able to flow cold and hot at close to the same levels.
If you lived closer I'd swap with you! 😁 I've not experienced the R yet (very scarce here)... but from what I've heard most riders will say the R is better. Lighter (alu) frame, water-cooled, more power, better drivetrain and suspension... Is yours licensed and on the road? Why are you considering the L? I'm not saying it is a bad bike (I love mine!), but the stuff people 'fix' on the L is already dialed on on the R.
@@GreaseAndGravel thank you, yes mine is street legal, but i keep seeing the L like more daily bike (because of the maintenance). Lot of parts i have to search them on ebay and wait that they reach from another country, and the L have a few more part easily to found here. Im young and use the bike to go to the college, visit my girlfriend house, go shopping, etc... but searching a little bit, i found that the R can be use like a daily bike. Thank you for the answer, the video helps a lot
@@MrNicoraffaele Ah, didn't think of parts. Yes, there are so many for the L. And there were lots more sold as far as I know (long production run). I'd love to try an R someday! Cheers
I just bought individual pilot and main jets for the Keihin carb. I had to play around with the jet sizes to get it right. You can check out this video to learn from my mistakes: ruclips.net/video/IkyA4V6zGcY/видео.html
Skip the Daves mod and just swap in an FCR/MX flatslide carb from a CFR450. You will be miles ahead in performance. The FCR has an accelerator pump. Best mod I did to my ride.
@@NaziHampster Between one tooth smaller on the front sprocket and the carb swap I did lose some economy yes. Not enough to be concerned about. Was still getting about 275 km on 13 litres of fuel before reserve (added a Clarke 4 gallon as well). Once I got over how snappy the bike became and started riding like a normal human again mileage was still good.
The suzuki DR650 probibly has more after market parts available & it comes standard with cush drive. The motor is alot more ballanced too. 👌 Kawasaki KLR also has a cush. things to know before choosing a big thumper.
I tried to buy mine back after I sold it. It is a great bike, but it is good to be aware of its shortcomings (and to look out for the condition of the CS sprocket)
It is a good machine of most of your riding is offroad. It does run hot and rebuilds every 10k miles is not unusual. I sold mine after a short time. Too heavy for woods riding. Stock tires will get you killed. I have a DR650SE now and it is great on the road not so great in the dirt. It really needs one more gear in the transmission. The DR is like riding with no first gear. It is almost like riding in third gear. A DR with better suspension and a 6th gear would be an awesome bike. That thicker counter sprocket sounds like a good idea for the counter shaft wear issue.
10k miles u mad mate I know xr a few of my mates own one Including me and they bullet proof mate they go on for 50 km easily and do 100k if looked after wa do u ride en chamo
The only bad thing I’ll say about the 650 L is if you live in an area that has lots of sugar sand the 650 L is a horrible choice if you plan on doing any type of trail riding. Other than that the bike is a great for neighborhood riding and dirt roads and country roads. And it totally sucks on the freeway LOL depending on how you have a geared. I plan on Super Moto mine and it will be a great country rider.
Yes, I cracked the subframe on my '85 XR250RF (& had it welded). If there is that much weight on the back the handling is shite anyway. As I toured Australia on the XR, XL600, & NX650, I, particularly in deep sand, water crossings & other serious offroading, found that army webbing was best as the weight sat on my hips or in the best place for the weight on that bike, the weight was on the pegs when I stood up, or if the bike failed, I could walk out. I also used to put a bit of water & tools (ie heavy stuff), on the front guard to dampen the steering in deep sand. Yes the stock tank is a stupid size for Australia or Africa, so an 18 or 24L aftermarket is the go. I had zero problems with any CDI & my 96 NX650 was that exact engine and had that CDI. Soldering should be done by someone competent & with a decent soldering iron and experience. This is a great bike for off-road & serious fun. It is not designed for lugging heaps of gear. The XR is a true Enduro bike for off-road shenanigans. If you want to carry lots of gear on a bike and do lots of distance on the road, there are plenty of other bikes the do it on that are not a bona-fide Enduro like the XR.
Hi Mark, you are spot on with everything. I miss my XR and would love one again someday.. but not for touring. Maybe a short weekend trip, yes. The army webbing is a great idea. Cheers
I'm 193cm and if the bike is ready to tip over, I'll put my feet down and usually touch air on uneven terrain. Thats why I keep it in 2nd gear when going slow and just power through most things
Yeah, it is a tall bike. I am only 183cm. I dropped it a few times while not committing over rough terrain... but once I gained confidence, it is much easier to keep my feet on the pegs.
Sorry for only seeing this now. I am no mechanic. Does it happen in any gear? I mean, is it related to road speed (100kmh) or engine speed (certain rpm)? Could be fuel starvation, bad plug or CDI (unlikely if that is the only symptom). Maybe ask on the XR650L Riders Facebook groups. There are a ton of guys that can help there. I hope you get it sorted!
It is a great bike. I am contemplating buy back my XR650L (the one in the video). But all the things I mention are valid concerns. It just depends on what you want to do with it
I had an old xl 600 thumper, could flog it in the bush all day & never had any problems with air cooled engine. My boys on the other hand had smaller water cooled, high reving bikes that I had to rebuild when they blew up. Air cooled thumpers forever.
Yes!!! That's great to hear!
Same here, XR500, XR600, never had heating problems. But with the water-cooled bikes you need to worry about plumbing, or holes in the radiators, or fluids to low.
DR's are not water-cooled but come with a factory oil cooler. However, once you add a Sutton oil cooler, KKbike sprocket and an Ignitech CDI the XR is pretty much unstoppable
Oops, thanks for the correction! My old DR750S was definitely air-cooled, but I've never had a newer DR650SE. Did you see a noticeable difference with the Sutton oil cooler? It gets well into the 100s here in summer.
@@GreaseAndGravel i live in India and its 45 deg C in Summer. The Sutton makes the oil stay at 250F on long riding days. Short runs it stays at around 215 to 225F. Making the fuelling a bit on the rich side makes it run cooler but mine still returns 20 kmpl even on a bad day. Id recommend you change your plugs and add a good flowing air filter , probably remove the baffle in the exhaust to compliment the changes.
Thanks, Alinel! I appreciate the feedback. Yeah, 45 deg C is common in summer here as well. I'll definitely look into that Sutton cooler. What is your jet sizes and altitude? I think I may have gone too large on the pilot and main considering I am at 600m above sea level. I was shocked to see 12 kmpl. I've replaced the plug, installed a TwinAir foam filter and removed the snorkel. Might remove the baffle in the exhaust, but worried about it being too loud.
@@GreaseAndGravel i am at sea level and ride till about 12000 ft on 160 main jet , Dave's mods and 2 1/4 turns out.
@@GreaseAndGravel 55/158 for higher elevations but i do not change now-a-days just run a 160 as i have advanced my ignition timing
Buying this bike next week. Show room condition 2002... extremely hyped after watching this video! Air cooled is a plus btw you kook!
Thanks for watching. Enjoy that XR! It is a great bike and I agree... aircooled is a plus. I just bought a 2006 GSA :)
@cano19977 How much did you pay for it? I am in market for one and not sure how much I should offer. Thank you! Love this dream bike!
I have dropped mine so many times I can pick it up like a bicycle now.💪 the wire loom on my 2015 is routed the same.
Lol, yeah... me too! That's interesting. I wonder why mine chafes there.
It was really hard choosing my DR650 over this bike, but I’m on the road so much and plan for possible highway riding. My DR is my daily commuter as well. I wish I owned both as well as a new Klr
I still want a DR650. They seem like the best in-between the KLR and XRL
I’ve had four xrs and they all chewed the slimes off of the counter shaft; and you must completely disassemble that motor to replace that shaft. I just welded this last one on there.
Wow, that is insane. Some riders still think it is a myth. I replaced mine immediately with a Fritzco just to be sure.
They are called splines.
It's a tall bike and not very suitable for short riders. But the 650cc is great for freeway cruising speeds which i adventure riding I think is needed!
Yeah, it is a great bike for touring on gravel roads and some more technical off-road. At either extreme (i.e. freeway on the one end and technical single track on the other) there are better bikes. But possible no better all-rounder.
I can't believe you had a DR BIG and got rid of it.... just the meme worthiness of it is worth keeping it around 😅
I'm pretty sure nobody still has created a single cylinder thumper larger than that monstrosity (800cc's, technically 779).... I love the XR650L, but if I had a DR BIG, I definitely would've kept it around lol.
I know! My best friend also had one at the same time. Can't believe we got rid of them. I swapped mine for a 1974 Jaguar XJ6. Stupidest thing ever!
Inlooking to buy oke with 8,500 miles
It is a great bike despite the stuff I mentioned in this vid. Let me know what you think once you get it
I ride a lot of long distance trips and did a trip to S.A. on a DR650.When I got Home the head was cracked.Bad gas in Peru I think.128,000 kms on the bike.
Then a trip around Australia on a KLR.No problems but a pig to ride.Lots of kms. on the bike when I bought it.Not sure how many I put on as the speedo drive quit.
This summer I rode across Canada.Did almost 20,000 kms. before my tranny packed 'er in.The bike had 104,000 kms. on it.I had to haul it home in a pickup truck.
As much as I like my DRs,I'm done with them and are thinking about the Honda XR 650 L.
I do all my own own work on my bikes and don't mind modifieing things to go the distance I like to ride.Whatever it takes.
Do you think the Honda XR 650 L can go the distance without a catastrophic failure?
Great review.
Hey, Robert! for some reason, your comment was flagged (not sure why!) for manual approval. Just saw it now. Sorry! Wow, you've done some epic trips!! To be honest, after owning both, I'd choose the KLR without a doubt. Mine was in a much worse state than this XR, but I still trusted it more. Can't really say why, maybe it is me who changed over the last 10 years. That said, I don't think you can go wrong with either of the 3 (DR, KLR, XR) if the bike is maintained. XT might even be better if you can find them over there.
How tall are you though. Can’t be small?
I’m just over 6’ (183cm). The XR is tall!
I just bought a used XL650L and I wish I would have seen this before I bought it, but now I have it and you glossed over my only complaint. Number 11. I am 6.0ft tall and I cannot push it backwards from a parking spot. I am on my tip toes. What did you do if anything to lower yours? I mainly bought mine for riding into town when I am out boondocking or exploring where I am camping. So I don't push it hard like a dirt bike. Is there a good way to lower it an inch or so?
Hey! Thanks for the comment. I wouldn't worry about the height. You get used to it. I am also 6ft (183cm actually) and have to tip toe it. I've dropped it a few times, but because it is light I just pick it up again. The ground clearance is a plus. You need to check out my latest video where I compare it to my old KLR. There I mention a bunch of the positives. Enjoy your bike!! Ps. I've heard of riders using lowering links. Maybe look into that?
@@GreaseAndGravel Thanks I am actually going to buy a sag gauge from Rocky Mountain and check the sag. If it is off I will adjust the sag, and if it is good, I will take your advice and try and get used to it. Thanks for the response, I will look for the other video thanks for the heads up.
@@azxp That's a great idea. I have no clue on checking the sag. Something I need to do as well. Good luck!
I’m 5-11 I have no problem
Why, the design is very similar to a 1983 xl 600, the bike is almost 100 pounds heavier tha a 10 year old ktm 500 exc, the suspension sucks, the motor makes less power than a 10 year old ktm 350.
You telling me you weigh 100 lb?
This thing can't carry more than 100 lb so it's made for children?!
Oops, did I say I weight 100lb... no, I am around 175 lbs
Kawasaki klr650 is better in every single way.
I have to agree (maybe not in technical terrain or over jumps though)
Air cooled is not a down side dude. It is a huge bonus as it makes a super simple and reliable engine. No water pump, water leak, radiators to get leaks. And no over heating is not a risk or problem. These were designed and ran in the deserts of baja Mexico at full tilt and over heating wasn't an issue.
Thanks for the reassurance, Randy! The only air-cooled thumper I've owned was the old XT500 (oh, and a DR750Big, but didn't have that one for long). My KLRs' cooling systems never gave any issues. But I hear you. I guess as long as you maintain it properly (oil changes, valve clearance and proper jetting)? I love the simplicity! Have ridden some air cooled road bikes on very long trips without issue too.
Randy knows
The only possible issue is, as it's a dual sport, sitting in traffic. If youre in heavy traffic, you're not moving and you may overheat as there isn't any air flowing over the cooling system, which is where liquid cooling becomes superior. Most have no issues with the air cooling though
@@youcefbelhacene3831 Sorry but that is no issue with the XR650L. It has a built into the frame oil reservoir that turns the whole frame into a giant heat sink. Keeping the engine cool. Honda are not idiots, nor has a bike that has been for sale since the 90s and known to be one of the most reliable bikes made have any issues with heat.
@@Randy_Cox no need to be sorry, I agree with you. as I said, thats an issue that may push people away from it, but in my personal experience and according to everyone who rides one, its a non issue. The XR is for sure my favourite bike. cheers mate
I been riding them since the 90s. Incredible, durable tough bike! Ridden them hard in the dirt, done many jumps with them. By far the best! The only slight problem i have, is the weight of it. I'm 5'6 160lbs so it's quite a big bike for me but i still kick ass on it!
Yeah, it is a lovely bike and I may be starting to fall in love with it. I am not experienced in the dirt, and the weight is a bit much for me. Just need to get over it and get better.
Thats a heck of a bike to shred on with those stats! 👍 Im not a big guy either at 5 10 and 210lbs and consider the XL650 a horse to hop on, but will admit its always been a light on its feet bike when up and moving (hardpack and outta whoops 😊)
I had a boss that was short but he was an excellent rider.
Yes, I’m 5’7” 165lbs and can handle my CR250 quite well so I’d say this bike would be just right for me too…just bought mine and it’s on its way. Height shouldn’t be an issue…don’t let others discourage you.
Been riding mine for years I'm 6ft 1 and it kicks my ass so top-heavy it was brand-new but and now it looks like a piece of pizza... I have a sticker on it ,,,, dirt worshiping treehugger
You didn't complain about it being heavy. Good on ya👍🌲
😂Thanks! Compared to the other 650 singles, this bike feels much lighter. There's lots that I love about it 😁
To be fair, of the 'big three' japanese 650 singles, this IS the lightest... It's only slightly heavier than a tank :D heh heh
Fantastic video! As a now 20 year owner (purchased new in 2002), I can attest to the veracity of the issues you outline, every single one of them. They are all, however, relatively easy and for the most part inexpensive (sometimes free) to correct. In order, I have never missed having the cush drive, and I only run XR650R countershaft sprockets. The slack in the chain quickly goes unnoticed, it's just a by product of all of that suspension travel. I've done my level best to break the rear subframe and have not yet succeeded, despite some spectacular crashes when heavily loaded. Air cooled / too lean? You already found the answer - Dave's mods. The jetting recommendations need to be adjusted for your local altitude and climate. Play with it and you'll get it right. I love my six gallon Acerbis tank, even though it makes the bike even more top heavy when full. I take extended wilderness trips, so its added range (I can go 240 miles) is appreciated. Moose Racing makes a great rear rack, but you do need to give up that little tool kit. I put a Moose Racing bag on the front fender instead. I think you are right in that the pinched wiring loom is not a common problem - mine isn't. Honda have fixed the CDI box quality problems in the last few years. After replacing them seemingly annually for the first few years, my newest one is now five years old, purchased from Honda. It's possible I just got lucky, but others report the same. And "tall"? Of course. That's part of why we buy them. That said, at 6'1" with a long for my height inseam to boot, I found it impossible to "dab" on technical single track. An adjustable Soupy's lowering link fixed that, and being adjustable, it takes minutes to go back to full height for some open desert type bombing.
So, yes, my experience confirms that the issues you raise are certainly real. The "known fixes", however, are not expensive nor difficult. Once completed, the bike becomes far more enjoyable and "user friendly". I would encourage you to work your way through them as so many of us have. You won't regret doing so. Have fun on your "Big Red Pig"!
Thanks for the awesome and comprehensive comment!! I appreciate it. I still regret selling the XR and would love to own (and properly mod) one again one day. I just love that Honda still sells primitive and simple platforms like the XR new today. Cheers!!
@@GreaseAndGravel Yeah, it was funny - no sooner had I submitted my comments than the next video suggestion popped up, and I saw that you had sold it! Oh well, with all of the subscribers and views your channel gets, maybe my comments will help someone. Or, like you say, maybe there is another "Big Red Pig" in your future. Too bad is appears somewhat difficult to equip and support one down in your corner of the planet - I guess I often lose sight of how spoiled we are, here in the U.S., where we take such things for granted. Have fun on your new bikes, and ride safe.
@@4570duplex Thanks man! Yes, they only sold the XR here for a few years and Honda has to order everything from Japan. It's only Amazon that really ships to SA, so parts are a problem. That said, I would still love to ride an XR again some day (once I've honed my dirt riding skills a bit more). Thanks again for the comments.
It's true, the bike has it's shortcomings. But it's a lot of fun for the $. It's also easier to wrench on then most "modern" bikes.
I agree 100%! That's why I've always wanted one. The simpler the better. My only concern on any trip is reliability and being able to get moving again if something breaks down.
@@GreaseAndGravel If you follow this guy on instagram (dirtybmc) he has taken his across parts of Africa with no oil cooler and made 16,000 miles on the bike with his starter being the only mechanical failure besides flats. Also I have a oil temperature gauge on my xr and I run shell rotella 5w40 with a little lucas oil additive and the highest I have ever seen my oil temp get is 225 and that at cruising at 55 to 60mph. I personally think people freak out over this thing not having an oil cooler but in my opinion it seems to be a gimmick
@@WOLFZEIT_ I think may riders overthink it (me included). I checked out the dirtybmc, awesome stuff he's doing!
I've had most of the 650 Singles, and what I noticed is they(at the end of the day, after chasing all the mods online) Run better stock, smoother less vibration. There i said it, LOL, thanks for the video
Hi have to agree with you. I love doing mods and stuff of these bikes, but you have to imagine that the Japanese engineers had some idea of what they are doing. Funny thing is, as much as I love doing mods on my bikes, I prefer buying a stock standard one.
Ive had 2 XR650Ls They run MUUUUUUUCH better with the smog delete kit, porper jetting, uni FILTER and a quAlity slip-on pipe. MUUUUUUUCH BETTER
@@SASQUATCH205 Did you dyno the bike Before & After to prove it?
Us human beings are extremely subjective and emotional commodities, I've seen it a 1000 times where where a little extra noise from the intake and exhaust Thoroughly convinces owners that their bike or car is making way way more power.
But if you looked at it on a Dino chart Before & After many times it's the same or just a little bit more and sometimes worse.
I can't Remember if the 650LI had was modded or not, But I had the older XR 600 L and oh and Yamaha XT 600, and they did not run any better than stock with jetting a pipe etcetera.
@@SASQUATCH205 I agree. I have a 2007, I had it "de-corked" and put on a Pro Circuit Type 496 exhaust system. It's lighter & definitely runs better.
@@7x779 the bike runs better with proper jetting, the bike (most bikes) comes from the factory running very lean to pass bullshit emissions test, this is not what honda wants, it's what they HAVE to do, if you think a bunch of worthless crap stopping up the engine makes it run better, you don't know anything about engines, please don't spread ignorance.
It does have "kush Drive" it's just incorporated into the back of the clutch basket not in the wheel hub.
I did not know that! Thank you for sharing.
The most important thing to know before buying one of these are that you can get a 650R instead.
Oh yes, I wish I learned that earlier! The R is quite scarce here
U might be able to get XR650R but not for price, or with electric starter, or street legal out of the box also thay stopped making XRR'S along time ago most of them have been raced and aren't in very good shape besides that my XRL IS PUMPED so bring on your XRR !!!!!!!THANKS from NOR-CAL
Thanks, @@chrisiollich4890! Yeah, the XRR's are super scarce and expensive here in SA too and I kinda like having some things on the bike that needs to be 'improved'... for me that is part of the fun. Plus, the XR650L has enough go juice for my riding style. Cheers from the bush in Africa
The 650R is tough to register for road use where I live ...
My buddy's got one, I keep up with no problem with my 650L. Your forgetting the electric start, might be an issue for some to get that 650R to fire up, I laugh at my friend, keep in mind we are riding at high altitude (Eastern High Sierra)
After having no success at finding a used xr650 in my area, I lucked into an ‘89 nx650, and I’m glad I did. It seems a more refined bike to me. It has a tach, a larger tank, a true dual exhaust, a lower front fender with a fork brace, a proper luggage rack, and the seat height is just over 34”. The previous owner swapped out the carb for a Mizuni, thus eliminating the issues with the stock carb. I couldn’t be happier with how it handles the terrain in the north cascades, where I live, and it’s plenty comfortable at highway speeds, as well.
I've never ridden the NX Dominator... but from what you describe it seems like it has everything I miss on my XR650L. Thanks for sharing!
I had a nx boy I wish I never got rid of it
I scheme this is still the best bike ever to come out of Japan. Still love mine 10 years later and had a blast of a ride yesterday.
It took me a while to realize it, but I'm loving mine more every day
Love my XR 400r has no problem keeping up with the pack I'm lugging hills that 450s and two strokes are screaming on I like the 650 but I'd have to go with the 600r, every 600r or 650r is wicked but the best I think is the 1986 Scott summers edition XR 600r Kaplan America has the cleanest one I've ever seen. The 600r or 650r has everything you wished the L does and is still great dual sport bike XR rider to the casket 💯💪 best bike Honda ever produced
I have an XR650L and I had issues with starting too, after a RUclipsr suggested the Pulse Generator can fail over time with heat, I replaced this first as it was the cheaper option over the CDI unit and lucky for me no more starting problems. This did mean removal of engine case on clutch side but with care it was very easy to replace. Finally we here in Australia cannot buy the 650L new, Honda stopped selling them in 2008...have no idea why, as they are still popular in the second hand market. All the best in your adventures.
Thanks for the support, Jim. Yeah, here in SA they also stopped the XR650L many years ago (not long after my 2012). That's why I had to have one when I saw this one. Thanks for the info on the Pulse Generator. I think my problem is still jetting-related.. there is no difference in idle speed if I turn the mixture screw, so I thing the pilot may be wrong size. It starts, but always needs a few cranks. I will definitely keep that in mind though! Cheers and enjoy!
Watching you dump it was funny, I’ve had a number of tipovers on tight trails, once it starts to go just let it go, to heavy to fight it.
I've done it so many times... at least I get to practice picking it up :)
best bike dual sport EVER...
I am loving it more each day!
It's been in production for over 30 years-and Honda hasn't hardly changed anything. (Why change near perfection?) They're tanks-uber reliable and IMHO better than the KLR650. As far as the buffer on the sprocket, it's just a creature comfort that'll wear out and we can't have that along with it being air-cooled, so no worries over all the baggage that comes with a liquid cooled. I'm pretty psyched over this relatively unknown gem from Honda because it's something I can ride out to the family farm, fill up with gas and go trail busting on the same ride. (Of course you could have the excuse of needing TWO bikes for each duty.) I like how Honda has kept these simple because they know adding anything is just something that can potentially break while off roading.
I watched Chris Scott's hour long film of their 2003 Desert Travels through the Sahara on 3 XRLs. I've got a new respect for these bikes now and I will be keeping mine! :)
@@GreaseAndGravel It's too bad Honda quit making the XR650R. They were phenomenal machines. Connoisseurs seem to really like the DZR400.
@@tomservo5347 Oh, I'd love to have an XRR, but they are rare and expensive here
Good video, son of Arnold.
😂💪Thanks!
I have a 2002 650l and I guarantee I ride it 100% harder than this guy. I jump it I ride wheelies and ride through mud and over logs anywhere I want. All these problems he's naming off have never been a problem to me. Like any off-road machine maintenance determinss longevity. I've never had any major problems with my bike. It's bulletproof best on road off-road bike ever made hands down!
He made a list because he's been shellshocked with all those other bikes he had before! 🤣
To properly ride this bike you have to man handle it like your trying to tear it up. It's not for the faint of heart.....
You are 100% correct! I do not have the skills to ride this thing as it should be ridden. Glad you are enjoying yours! I agree on the maintenance, though. Most of the 'issues' are due to poor riding and poor maintenance. Cheers
Honda Accord cars had he poor solder joints on their cars Starter/Fuel pump unit, for about 30 year window, Yes just re-solder all the connection ponts, take about 30 minutes and will be golden!.These bikes have lots of upgrades to make them way better bike,
Front fork brace, Different handlebars, hand lever protectors with covers, 12v USB mont on handlebar, Different LED lights way better then stock brighter, Head light LED way better then stock.
Nice wider longer rear rack that is bolt on .
Better exhaust pipes giving a few ponies freed up.
The F/R sprockets harder steel and better chain materials too.
Front fender with a tool pouch kit easy strap to carry tubes. ALWAYS carry as many tools as p[ossible!
Bigger fuel tanks and better battery too.
I think there is a different carb for these too and a EFI available though not 100% sure its quality durability.
Ya these are a great bike and upgrades galore well worth it.
Tire upgrade are a must for dual purpose too.
Now that’s a great machine and well described, great vid ✌🏾
Thanks, man. I appreciate it!
@@GreaseAndGravel Great information on this bike, what bike would you recommend that is most reliable and affordable to run in the 650cc range?
30yrs ago had a XL350R. Overheated on the beach southern end south stradbroke island no compression next day. Started up. Ran fine no issues
i have one and its the best bike i ever owned awesome bike,,,
It is an awesome bike!
Honda XR and XL range have been head and shoulders above the others for years. Still available in South and North America. This guy has an itchy arse. Never satisfied. Many dirt bikes DO have cush drive boet! Mine lasted 69000km and I sold it in good condition. Many miles Mpumalanga forrests.
I did make a video on the stuff I like about the XR too. Each bike/car has pros and cons. But you are 100% right about the itchy arse!! It is a problem. I am quite satisfied with my current garage ;)
I think your electrical harness is in the wrong location. I believe it was assembled wrong at the dealership.
For the CDI. I have fixed mine but they are available from Rocky Mountain atv for $18 US.
I realize you are in South Africa but it might be worth saving up for a tank a few primary drive brand front sprocket, maybe a couple after market CDI boxes from Rocky Mountain atv. They have taken a liking to the xr650l and have tons of neat little bits and bobs.
Thanks, John. Yes, I also think my wiring was moved by the previous owner. I sold this XR and bought an R1200GSA... so no fuel range issues anymore :)
Interesting about the wires being possibly kinked. My 2008 dr650 has a short on similar area when I turn hard left at walking speeds. Handlebar risers apparently cause too short of wiring. Never any other times.
I think the previous owner rerouted the wires.
I did Dave's mods carb mod to my 08 BRP. I also added an FMF pipe (retained factory header), removed smog pump and replaced w/ baja smog kit, changed out front sprocket from 15 to a thicker 14 teeth..and the difference is very noticeable...it went from being a Japanese sewing machine to being a real 650! After getting it back together from carb mod and sprocket swap, within first minute of test ride I gave her a little to much welly, and spun the back tire on the rim effectively shearing off the valve stem, so be careful of that...and of front wheel wanting to come up while accelerating into a leaning turn! That bike is a monster. I love it!
Thanks, Rick! Great to hear you are enjoying the bike and that the mods made an improvement. I did the same, apart from the FMF. The torque on this bike is addictive. Which jet sizes did you use and are you at sea level? And is that FMF pipe much louder than the stock one?
@@GreaseAndGravel hello! I did the Dave's mods following the guidance from one_terrabike how to 4:01 video to the letter, with 158/55 jets, and drilling vent holes to 5/32 i believe it was. The FMF pipe is MUCH louder. Much louder, deeper BRAP sound like the xr 75s we used to ride as kids (compared to the rin tin tinny sounds of our friend's yz 80s.) I love it! I bought the 2008 xr650 in 2017 with only 1100 miles on it. It is a beauty! I'm right at about a thousand feet elevation, and the 158/55 is absolutely perfect. No more missing out (throttle hesitation) or slow throttle response like before. I like your tire lock idea. I'm going to do that for sure. Thanks and have a great week!
@@rickshaw6198 Thanks for the info... yeah, then the FMF won't work here. The neighbors will come after me! I am glad to jetting worked out well for you. I think I've got mine dialed in as well now. Cheers man, have a good one!
After your video I don’t think I will purchase this 650L. Thank You
It is a great bike for some applications, but you need to want to work on it and improve it to make it the bike it should have been.
Guys, you wont believe it, but we are NOT allowed riding this bike in fucking germany.
That's insane!
Dual sport for a big guy. I’m 6’4 290 lbs what would you recommend?
I think the XR is a great choice for long leg. You'll just have to upgrade the suspension. Another option (albeit very heavy) is a KTM950 or 990. But that's a lot of bike to ride in technical terrain.
Get one of these if you don't ride trails lol things are called big red pigs for a reason, heavy af.
They are, but I now own a hippo (R1200GSA)😜
8:13 The DR650 is NOT liquid cooled. It does have an oil cooler though
Thanks, I realized that too late... oops!
I have a neighbor who is selling a KLR650 and an XR650R… I can’t really decide. I think it’s because I want to get a sport bike eventually but I was suggested for a first bike try a dual sport, and off road in the mountain on our property. But not sure which would be better for what. I’ve seen XR650 is more fun.
As a turn-key touring bike, KLR. But I think the XR is going to be way more fun. And worth more if it is registered.
@@GreaseAndGravel that’s what I was thinking that the XR650 r would be more fun… but my neighbor said he would sell me the KLR for 1800, and he would put me on that since it’s a more forgiving bike. Probably doing klr since well.. it’s much cheaper and I’ll still be able to ride on the trails.
Not a dirt bike . olmost a small adventure bike . good on hard packed dirt
Yes, I always called it an adventure bike. Apart from the small tank, it is perfect for touring.
I had one 3rd year they made it, I drove it to work which was 19 miles down country road. It served me well.
I put a "kouba link " on mine and lowered the forks as much as possible. I have a 30" inseam. It's now doable, barely.
It's been a good bike and hasn't hurt me too bad.
Thanks for the info on the link system. I'm getting used to the height now. Still dropping it though. It is a great bike!
Always wanted one, but it was never sold in Europe. I had a 650 Dominator, did a tour in Morroco, then a few years later, went down from Switzerland to Gambia, 2 up. Bike had a big tank + 20l of fuel jerrican + 10l of water. Overall troubles, 2 rear shoks, that's it! Those honda engines are bullet proof.
Ride safe and have fun.
Great and informative review!!! Great bike! I am also searching for the xr650l in good condition.... Now riding 250cc dual sport... Thanks 👍☺️ for sharing the info with us!! Hello from Ukraine!!
Thanks for the comment, Andrew. It is an awesome bike. Hope you find a good one!
It doesn't need a rack it's an XR not an adventure bike!!!!!
With a larger tank, I think it is the perfect adventure bike 😉
i just got the same bike and it died , i think its the battery or the cdi 😢
I had intermittent starting issues for a long time. Also thought battery but ended up being die cdi. Hope you get it sorted soon
Great video and great points. I did a lot of research and side by side comparisons between the Honda XR650L, KLR650 and DRZ650 before buying. I've always been a Honda guy but was open minded. Ultimately I bought a new XR650L two years ago and chose it because it better fits my riding style than the other two because it's more off-road capable and lighter. I'm about 80% off-road and 20% on-road adventure style riding. I immediately swapped the front sprocket for the Fritzco sprocket, added a skid plate and swapped the tank for a Clarke 4.7 gallon translucent tank so I can see the fuel level but other than those changes it's 100% stock. Love the bike. Far more power than I need, far more top end speed than I need and with the larger tank I have more range than I can stand to ride without stopping. It's very comfortable to ride and I took it on a couple longer trips last summer with no problems. The longest trip was 6 days at 1,072 miles and it was bullet proof off-road, on-road, freeway, you name it, the XR650L ate it up. Very comfortable on trails, at low speeds and at freeway speeds. Need a little more kick in the back side??? Just roll the throttle a little more and it's there.
I'm with you Craig. It is an awesome bike! I'm just waiting for my Fritzco's to arrive. Then all I need is a larger tank. I also like the translucent tanks. Looks cool and is useful to see fuel level. I currently also mostly ride in the dirt, and if I do go out of town I don't mind doing 60-65 mph (which I do comfortably even with the 14t CS sprocket). The small tank is just a PITA. I haven't gone on longer trips yet.
The torque is addictive :) I think for someone that rides 50/50 (road/dirt) and longer distance, the KLR is a great option, as you don't need any mods from stock. Rode mine as is on multiple two-week trips... only did the rear shock once it wouldn't stand upright on its own anymore. But the mods are part of the fun. Did you keep the gearing standard?
@@GreaseAndGravel Glad you are getting out for longer trips no matter which bike you ride. They are all very capable in their own right. Just getting out and going is what it's all about. The small group I ride with all ride DRZ400's or KTM's. I was looking for smiles/$ so price was a factor plus they have been making them for a long time so they've worked out the bugs and there are plenty of aftermarket parts available. I know some people complain about that they haven't changed them but to me that shows they hit it right the first time, so to speak. I walked (rode) out of the dealership for $6,800 all in including 4 years tags for a brand new bike. I did keep the gearing stock. I thought about changing the tooth count on the CS sprocket when I ordered the Fritzco sprocket but decided against it. For me and my riding style I think the gearing is perfect. Tons of slow speed low end torque for the trails and it has no problem at high speeds, or at least high speeds for my comfort level. Freeway speeds of 75-80 mph is not a problem and that's really faster than I care to ride. I've long since aged past the adrenaline junkie part of my life so cruising in the 60-70 mph range is enough for me and it will do that all day long every day. Clarke makes a couple different sized tanks and I chose the 4.7 gallon tank because it's a direct swap for the stock tank. Their larger 5+ gallon tank requires raising the handle bars and remounting the turn signals. The 4.7 gallon tank will last me for a couple hundred miles which is plenty of range for the Oregon Back Country Discovery Routes.
@@craigmccue2841 I am totally with you. 70mph is enough speed for me. I'm a very cautious rider since starting a family a few years ago. I do love the acceleration from low speed though. That's why dirt riding is so much fun. Thanks for the info on the 4.7 gallon tank.. I'd prefer a straight swap. I'm getting different size Fritzco's... they are so easy to change so I'll swap back to stock if I go a bit further. And I totally agree that Honda not changing anything and still selling lots is a sign that they had something good from the start. Same with the KLRs and DRs. I am not looking forward to the day you can't get bikes like these in showrooms anymore. Cheers
@@GreaseAndGravel At 54 yrs old, my kids are grown and fortunately I've also grown out of the adrenaline stuff. Hopefully you'll be able to share your love of riding with your kids! Now I'm looking forward to still being able to ride at 70 or 80 years old, hopefully, so cautious is my riding style too. It's funny how one's perspective changes over time. I really enjoy exploring new areas and seeing things I've never seen and this bike is so perfect for that type of riding for me. I would love to take it and ride the TAT some day. I agree the acceleration from low speed is a kick in the ass, so much so that the factory back tire wore out with only 1,000 miles on the bike. Seems I still have a little throttle issue. Ha ha The tire I have on now will likely make 2,000 miles hopefully. Should have bought stock in tire manufacturers. I hope you get some great riding in this year. I just waiting for the snow and ice to melt than all you'll see is dust. Cheers!
@@craigmccue2841 Thanks man! I'd also rather still be riding at 70 than break bones now. The TAT sounds amazing. You are lucky to have so many roads to ride without leaving the country... I am also waiting for winter (your summer), as it is almost too hot to ride here at the moment! 🤣 Cheers!
Great video! Thank you for making it. I have a 650L and enjoyed watching this. I am glad that you mentioned the "height" at the end. I too was surprised at how high the bike sits. This makes climbing some things more challenging. My wife has an XR200 and I almost enjoy her bike more for climbing tough trails because I can touch the ground much easier. And I TOTALLY agree about the range that this tank brings you!!! You cannot go very far before that tank goes empty. Great video! Stay safe riding out there!
Thanks man, I appreciate it! Yeah, it was too tall for technical terrain. I never felt comfortable. Also, for spinning around, my legs was fully extended and I fell a lot. I can imagine that an XR200 is perfect. Keep well!
Hey boet only thing positive for me is the height i am 1.96
Oh yeah, that helps! I am 1.83 and it was just a bit tall.
I’ve owned this bike most of my life 😊
@stevo6891 Harley
I've been riding a 1974 Xl350 for 37 years. My bike is the grandparent of the 650.
It has none of these problems.
Thanks for the info, Craig. Yeah, I think most of these 'problems' are imagined by the rider 😁 It is a great bike
Did you end up keeping the bike François?
Nope. I did try to buy it back earlier this year, but got a 2006 R1200GSA instead (for the same price!)
Is there a fuel injected version of this bike?
That would have been awesome!
Just my luck. I bought a 2013 XR650L 3 days ago and just found your video today! I, like you have had a lot of dual sports (including the KTM 640 Adventure). But with me having just a 30" inseam (and inflexible at 73 years old) this bike is VERY tall! Not hard to ride, just hard to get on and off! Thanks for the video.
Thanks for the comment, Mike! And congrats on the bike. You get used to it, but it is a stretch. At least it is not THAT heavy. Wow, I am turning 40 tomorrow and I hope I will still be riding by 73! Respect. I just posted a video on stuff I love about the bike. I know of someone that has lowering links he wants to get rid of...maybe I can put you in touch. Enjoy the XR!
@@GreaseAndGravel the guy I bought the bike from included lowering links - I just need to install them. Thanks though.
I've got an 08, about the same height, and I've found that if I stop and the ground is 4" lower than i thought, we're going down and all I can really do is try to drop it gently
Dont think so much. REMOVE THE AIR RESTRICTOR (under seat) .Put Dunlop AT tires on, 120 rear..85mph off road / 110mph hwy.. this thing is a beast and you better be an expert to handle it off road.. ride it like you stoled it, ride everyday in the Mammoth Lakes Ca area and into Yosemite Valley, I love this bike!.. oh dont forget to lose that pipe {white Bros) and lame tail light and mirrors..
Thanks, John! Yes, since this video I have started falling in love with the bike. It really is more than I can handle in the dirt.
@@GreaseAndGravel its gotta have the dunlop AT's on to be ridden on dirt, shes a bike bike ride her like you own her, I like it cause after a long dirt ride I can hit the hwy home, plus it's great to have a heavier bike riding on the hwy all the way into Yosemite Valley from Mammoth Lakes. Have fun...
@@johnwgibson24 Ah, thanks for the tip on the Dunlop ATs. I haven't seen them before. Was planning on the D606s, but the AT81 looks a bit more aggressive and is cheaper. Cheers!
@@GreaseAndGravel 120 rear 110 front. But be careful on the hwy, Scuff them up first so you dont wipeout on the street, I'll leave you now, bbrraappp !
@@johnwgibson24 Thanks for the info, I appreciate it!
I'm thinking about buying one . Gonna be road alot on back roads and dirt roads to and from work. . 70 miles a day 6 days a week.
It is a great bike. Initially it took me some time to warm up to it, but since then I've fallen in love with it. It will go anywhere!
I lowered mine 2 1/2" and haven't noticed any difference in the handling(lowering link
& cut the foam down toward the front).Jets
are 2 sizes larger than stock,wider front sprocket and wider foot pegs are a must.
Some of your "negatives" are a plus for me-love the bike
How did you lower the bike 2 1/2 inches?
By removing the seat cover & cutting the foam down(electric meat carving knife,about $35,and a wood"planer" that resembles a mini cheese grater).Re-installing seat cover was made easy with a pneumatic stapler.Also a rear lowering link plus lowering front forks 1 inch.It's still a little tall(i'm 5'10"),but i'm comfortable with it now.Some say that it "changes the geometry",but they're just trying to sound smart IMHO. I can't detect any difference
I just wish it would be available on the Dutch market and would come with a kickstarter. But not being able to buy it here is the main reason I don’t already own it
Video starts at 2:35
Nice video, quality content!
Thanks man, I appreciate it! I see you've also got an XR👊
Why do some of the XR650 have liquid cooling?
The XR650R was built for Baja Desert racing... they had a completely different engine (liquid-cooled) and frame (much lighter). And was kick-start only.
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them hard in the dirt, done many jumps with them. By far the best! motor bagus bang The only slight problem i have,
You did your research! Now, what about a GOOD after market chain tensioner?
Can a new Honda xr650l be purchased in south africa.
Nope! Not since 2013. I only learned that recently. The KLR and DR also stopped being imported due to emission laws.
Thankyou so much. What a pity.
@@davidbarry3575 Indeed!
I agree with most of your comments. Despite them, its a solid bike. ITS THE MOST RELIABLE AND CONSISTEN 50 50 DUAL SPORT.
I rode my friends ktm690 and couldnt wait to get back on my xr. More comfortable. His had more power. Klr650 is a solid bike bike but didnt fo asxwell in dirt. More of a commuter bike
Love my xr. When i sold my first xr, i regretted it and bought another a year later.
Thanks for sharing! It really is a great bike and I actually tried to buy back mine (the one in the vid) a year later. But then found a 2006 1200GSA for the same price :)
Thanks for getting on the bike and showing us how tall it is. What's your inseam measurement?
Honda put a NX650 egine in a XR 600 frame.Same sprocket problem on my Yamaha TT 600.Street riding without chusdrive make it happen. I would never use a bike on the street without cushdrive again.THe XR650L have the most wide range gear spread in its class same as Dominator NX650.Very low first and long fith gear.
Yeah, the gearing takes some getting used to. I take it easy on the pavement to save the drive train.
I would add to this list that the most glaringly annoying thing is is 1st gear is so low it's like a Granny gear and then there's a huge jump in ratio and RPM to 2nd gear. Then 2nd through 5th gear are so close to space together it's really wound out pretty high on the freeway.
I liked everything else about the bike and didn't even notice the other issues you mentioned.
If it had better space ratio, or even better yet a 6 speed, I would probably buy another one.
Yeah, none of the issues are too serious... but the gearing is super annoying. Especially if you do a lot of slow riding. Shifting between 1st and 2nd all the time should not be necessary on a bike like this.
+1 on that...ultimately the reason I swapped mine out for a plated XR650R. The gearing doesn't match the intended function of the bike.
I just libe it man. I have 2 xr250l and 1 xe650r, these bikes run for ever.
Some people like the DR650 better because it does have a cush hub, and it has a large oil cooler. Like the other 650’s, people use the DR for around the world travel as well.
Thanks for sharing it! I am in a middle of a crisis , Idk what option is better the xr650 L or crf 300 rally L? Could you please guide me? I'm 6".
Thanks in advanced from Costa Rica!
Hi Emmanuel. I am 6"1 and the XRL is a bit tall for me. You get used to it, but in tricky situations I've dropped mine a few times. If you are a very experienced rider, the XRL will probably be more fun, but on the balance, I'd probably go for the CRF300L or Rally. It's got EFI (better fuel economy), will be more comfortable on the road, less maintenance (no fiddling with carbs). The XRL is old technology. Nothing wrong with it if you like fiddling with bikes and modifying it etc, but if you just want to ride without any worries, the CRF will be better. Yes, you won't pop massive wheelies or do high jumps like on the XRL (but then again, I can't do those things on any bike anyways). My opinion doesn't really count much :) If you can, go ride both. And if you remember, please let me know what you decide!
This poor video is buried! Really informative to.
Thanks man!
As an neutral accented American, there are only a hand full of accented English I love: Afrikaans, Scottish, Aussie, Kiwi, Irish come to mind first. In that order.
Thanks Dave. Yeah, I also love the Scottish/Irish/Aussie/NZ accents the most.
Adventure Bike Troop ? Don't waste your time jetting the honda xr650l carburetor. Replace the carburetor with a Lectron carburetor.
I agree! But they are damn expensive here... so this is a cheap 'fix'. I'd love to experience the Lectron some day
You've pretty well nailed the week points of the XR650L. With mine, I changed 1] Countershaft sprocket with a Fritzco sprocket, 2] went with a Seat Concepts seat cover and foam, to fix the uncomfortable stock seat, 3] put on an Acerbis 5 imperial gallon fuel tank to get decent fuel range, 4] installed subframe supports so I could put throw on soft panniers and sleeping bag, 5] run very high quality motorcycle spec [JASO MA2] full synthetic 20W-50 oil to offset small oil capacity and high heat of the package, 6] Did Dave's Mod on carb and reusable air filter, mainly to fix less than perfect throttle control and bad starting.
Thanks, Steve! Those are also on my list. I didn't know about the oil though... I must admit I don't read up too much on that due to the many opinions online... but I will definitely check it out.
@@GreaseAndGravel For sure. Oil use is a high priority on engines that place high demand on oil. I'm in Western Canada, where there are 2 oil testing bodies covering oil types here. API, [American Petroleum Institute] and JASO [Japanese Oil Standard Organization]. The oil you should look for to run in your XRL are API spec SG, JASO MA, or JASO MA2, and run 20W-50. I run Amsoil full synthetic ester 20W-50 which is tested JASO MA2, the highest category use covering wet clutch, and full gearbox/engine lubrication, perhaps the highest demand engine category an oil must run under. I often run my '08 to work commute in summer, 32-36C, full throttle, full throttle for 5-10 minutes sometimes to keep up with crazy highway traffic here, 150-155kms, pinned, pretty well top speed for my bike. No problems, 22,000 kms, does not burn oil. There are other JASO MA2 oils out there, full synthetic is the best for extreme use, able to flow cold and hot at close to the same levels.
Fritzco yes
Cannot decide on Dave's or the Dynojet kit.
@@albertandrews130 dave's mods for sure
I have a 650R, should i change it for an L? i use the bike all days
If you lived closer I'd swap with you! 😁 I've not experienced the R yet (very scarce here)... but from what I've heard most riders will say the R is better. Lighter (alu) frame, water-cooled, more power, better drivetrain and suspension... Is yours licensed and on the road? Why are you considering the L? I'm not saying it is a bad bike (I love mine!), but the stuff people 'fix' on the L is already dialed on on the R.
@@GreaseAndGravel thank you, yes mine is street legal, but i keep seeing the L like more daily bike (because of the maintenance). Lot of parts i have to search them on ebay and wait that they reach from another country, and the L have a few more part easily to found here. Im young and use the bike to go to the college, visit my girlfriend house, go shopping, etc... but searching a little bit, i found that the R can be use like a daily bike.
Thank you for the answer, the video helps a lot
@@MrNicoraffaele Ah, didn't think of parts. Yes, there are so many for the L. And there were lots more sold as far as I know (long production run). I'd love to try an R someday! Cheers
I want to re-jet my carburetor and open the air box. Do you have a kit part number?
My Honda is a 2009 stock purchase new and has 3360 mi
I just bought individual pilot and main jets for the Keihin carb. I had to play around with the jet sizes to get it right. You can check out this video to learn from my mistakes: ruclips.net/video/IkyA4V6zGcY/видео.html
I promise your wiring is not routed correctly, I have owned three xr650l and its never been routed in between the front fender and triple clamp.
Thanks, Ryan! I appreciate the comment. I think the previous owner moved the speedo higher onto a bracket and didn't reroute the wiring correctly
I'm convinced that little red puch on the back fender is for an extra CDI module....love the bike, (mines a 2017) but damn, that's unacceptable
LOL, that's a great idea (the spare CDI in that spot). It is quite disappointing that they've not fixed the solder joints on the OEM CDIs.
Skip the Daves mod and just swap in an FCR/MX flatslide carb from a CFR450. You will be miles ahead in performance. The FCR has an accelerator pump. Best mod I did to my ride.
Neat idea
Hi. Did the swap alter your mpg much ?
@@NaziHampster Between one tooth smaller on the front sprocket and the carb swap I did lose some economy yes. Not enough to be concerned about. Was still getting about 275 km on 13 litres of fuel before reserve (added a Clarke 4 gallon as well). Once I got over how snappy the bike became and started riding like a normal human again mileage was still good.
@@zrig1 Cheers for the reply mate. Reckon i'm going to have to do it :)
The suzuki DR650 probibly has more after market parts available & it comes standard with cush drive. The motor is alot more ballanced too. 👌 Kawasaki KLR also has a cush. things to know before choosing a big thumper.
Yes, that is one of the reasons why I miss my KLRs! But the more I ride the XR, the more I appreciate its advantages too :)
What bothers me most is the 42-45 mpg average. I think I'd like drz 400, but I got an xr for nothing.
Both great bikes.. but yes, I was also disappointed with the mileage
Whether the xr 650 l ok or not
I tried to buy mine back after I sold it. It is a great bike, but it is good to be aware of its shortcomings (and to look out for the condition of the CS sprocket)
It is a good machine of most of your riding is offroad. It does run hot and rebuilds every 10k miles is not unusual. I sold mine after a short time. Too heavy for woods riding. Stock tires will get you killed. I have a DR650SE now and it is great on the road not so great in the dirt. It really needs one more gear in the transmission. The DR is like riding with no first gear. It is almost like riding in third gear. A DR with better suspension and a 6th gear would be an awesome bike. That thicker counter sprocket sounds like a good idea for the counter shaft wear issue.
10k miles u mad mate I know xr a few of my mates own one Including me and they bullet proof mate they go on for 50 km easily and do 100k if looked after wa do u ride en chamo
The only bad thing I’ll say about the 650 L is if you live in an area that has lots of sugar sand the 650 L is a horrible choice if you plan on doing any type of trail riding. Other than that the bike is a great for neighborhood riding and dirt roads and country roads. And it totally sucks on the freeway LOL depending on how you have a geared. I plan on Super Moto mine and it will be a great country rider.
At my skill level, the bike is a handful. But I've seen guys do some crazy stuff on the XR650L (even MX tracks)
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I cannot understand half of what you say ..
Me neither sometimes😅
@@Booneville2024 Lol, no not really. This is my best English
Yes, I cracked the subframe on my '85 XR250RF (& had it welded). If there is that much weight on the back the handling is shite anyway. As I toured Australia on the XR, XL600, & NX650, I, particularly in deep sand, water crossings & other serious offroading, found that army webbing was best as the weight sat on my hips or in the best place for the weight on that bike, the weight was on the pegs when I stood up, or if the bike failed, I could walk out.
I also used to put a bit of water & tools (ie heavy stuff), on the front guard to dampen the steering in deep sand.
Yes the stock tank is a stupid size for Australia or Africa, so an 18 or 24L aftermarket is the go.
I had zero problems with any CDI & my 96 NX650 was that exact engine and had that CDI. Soldering should be done by someone competent & with a decent soldering iron and experience.
This is a great bike for off-road & serious fun. It is not designed for lugging heaps of gear. The XR is a true Enduro bike for off-road shenanigans.
If you want to carry lots of gear on a bike and do lots of distance on the road, there are plenty of other bikes the do it on that are not a bona-fide Enduro like the XR.
Hi Mark, you are spot on with everything. I miss my XR and would love one again someday.. but not for touring. Maybe a short weekend trip, yes. The army webbing is a great idea. Cheers
The DR isn't water cooled. That's an oil cooler
I'm 193cm and if the bike is ready to tip over, I'll put my feet down and usually touch air on uneven terrain. Thats why I keep it in 2nd gear when going slow and just power through most things
Yeah, it is a tall bike. I am only 183cm. I dropped it a few times while not committing over rough terrain... but once I gained confidence, it is much easier to keep my feet on the pegs.
Hoping you can help. My XR650L is misfiring at high rpm when going over 100km. I love the bike but have no idea how to fix this problem.
Sorry for only seeing this now. I am no mechanic. Does it happen in any gear? I mean, is it related to road speed (100kmh) or engine speed (certain rpm)? Could be fuel starvation, bad plug or CDI (unlikely if that is the only symptom). Maybe ask on the XR650L Riders Facebook groups. There are a ton of guys that can help there. I hope you get it sorted!
Whether the buy or not
It is a great bike. I am contemplating buy back my XR650L (the one in the video). But all the things I mention are valid concerns. It just depends on what you want to do with it