Borderlands Zer0 Skill Tree and Gear Guide
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- Опубликовано: 4 окт 2024
- In this series I am going to be covering all the characters from Borderlands 2 and Borderlands The Pre Sequel going over skill trees and gear. I'll be talking about what works and doesn't work but more importantly why it does or does not work.
In this episode I am covering Zer0.
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For anyone watching this in current times, here’s some updated info:
1:50 The Critical Hit Damage bonus in Decepti0n almost never applies. This is because Critical Hit Damage is calculated upon hitting an enemy, but Decepti0n ends as soon as you fire a shot. This means Decepti0n and the Critical Hit Damage bonus end before the Critical Hit Damage can actually be calculated. The only weapon which can benefit from the Critical Hit Damage is the Deliverance upon reloading it. This is because the reload shots of the Deliverance is the only way which you can crit without breaking Decepti0n. You can also get crits with grenades on enemies like Crystalisks or melee crits if you hit the right area, but these crits are unaffected by Critical Hit Damage.
6:43 Unf0rseen does do respectable damage now, but on Melee Zer0 this ironically can actually be a detriment. If Unf0rseen kills an enemy, that means you cannot get extra deception time from Many Must Fall through a melee kill. It would be better to just kill these enemies with your melee as opposed to Unf0rseen.
9:35 Tw0 Fang is solid for Sniper Zer0 depending on the sniper you are using. Hyperion, Dahl, and Vladof snipers are generally best with Tw0 Fang as they typically have low recoil per shot which makes the issue Derch describes here not an important factor. For Maliwan snipers, it is possible to use Tw0 Fang with a foregrip accessory for lower recoil, but it is still less doable than the prior three. Special note for the Pimpernel here because its unique spread on impact is fairly forgiving and so, Tw0 Fang can work well with the Pimpernel in particular compared to other Maliwan snipers. For Jakobs, you should forget about Tw0 Fang entirely. Also, although Tw0 Fang normally doesn’t count for Critical Ascension, on snipers with a slow enough fire rate, it can (like with most Hyperion Snipers). The reason why Critical Ascension doesn’t work with Tw0 Fang on faster firing snipers is because there is a built in timer preventing multiple stacks of Critical Ascension from being obtained very quickly (presumably to prevent multiple projectile snipers like Skullmasher from getting multiple stacks of CA per shot). Double shot mechanics like Tw0 Fang scale with fire rate, so at a certain point, the doubled shot becomes faster than the inherent timer on Critical Ascension.
17:35 Although it is true Zer0 is a glass cannon, points in Resurgence is actually more of a preference/optional thing. As a Melee Zer0, you are already going to have a Grog Nozzle or Rubi with the bladed accessory to keep your health sustained. In your typical rotation, you start by holding out your Moxxi weapon, throw kunai at enemies, and then throw a Chain Lightning at yourself to break your roid shield. You should be at near full health here thanks to kunai and Chain Lightning damage. With Many Must Fall, enemies are also not going to be trying to shoot at you or melee you and so, you aren’t really going to be taking much damage while you’re in Decepti0n. Combine this with the fact that the best class mod for melee Zer0, Legendary Ninja, already provides a +5 bonus to Resurgence which means a single point is arguably all you need to get most of the benefit from the skill. Keep in mind, the healing is based on a percentage of your health, which isn’t very high for Zer0. Often, this might not even push you back over health gate if you were at low health. It is also on kill which makes it a bit redundant anyways with Many Must Fall helping extend your Decepti0n duration. It’s safe to say the overall benefit from this skill ends up being deceptively marginal, but with the new level cap, it might still be worth your final few skill points.
22:43 This is some more false information. “Bullet spread” in BL2 is determined by fixed angles from the center of where you’re aiming which widen or tighten based on accuracy. Nothing about this changes with projectile speed because none of this is time based despite how it may do so in real life with real firearms. Projectile speed simply will make the bullet travel faster to the same spot. The only projectiles this would affect the “spread” of would be weapons which spawn new projectiles after a certain amount of time in air. This would be weapons like the Lyuda or Bekah. Because the projectile speed increases how fast these projectiles go, the projectile will travel farther with more projectile speed in the same amount of time and therefore with more projectile speed, these “projectile creation” effects will occur at farther distances. I would additionally argue that this hardly matters for the Lyuda despite what Derch mentions as you will rarely be the sweetspot distance away from an enemy to hit a single enemy with both the main and created projectiles from the Lyuda.
32:34 Just as a side note because this has been the cause of a lot of misinformation as well, Vladof stock on Vladof sniper rifles do not have lower recoil in any way compared to your traditional Dahl stock. Man of Low Moral Fiber has argued that Vladof stock works better on higher fire rate weapons, but a simple wall test without compensating for recoil will indicate that Dahl stock blows Vladof stock out of the water in terms of recoil reduction even for an extended period of shooting. The reason MoLMF and by extension, Derch may prefer Vladof stock I suspect is due to controller joysticks to compensate for recoil. This method of input is of course, less precise than using a mouse. As such, if you are to try to drag down your aim to compensate for the recoil, *more* recoil may sometimes be easier to control as it can more equally match dragging the joystick all the way downwards. On mouse, however, you can more precisely drag your aim to compensate, and so, there is hardly a reason to opt for the option with higher recoil.
34:42 Personally, I don’t see much of a reason to use a Bekah over just a sniper rifle. You’re basically playing Sniper Zer0 but without benefitting from At One With the Gun and Critical Ascension. There isn’t really much synergy between the Bekah and Zer0, especially not ones that aren’t already shared between sniper rifles and Zer0, so I frankly don’t see the point in using an incredibly rare weapon for a subpar build.
40:13 By the way, you do not need to use a max level Legendary Sniper class mod, and I highly recommend that players get one a few levels lower. After level 50, the only thing additional levels affect are the values for Sniper Rifle Gun Damage, Sniper Rifle Critical Damage, and the negative Shield Capacity. The first two will scale linearly with the level of the class mod, but the negative Shield Capacity, like all sources of Shield Capacity, scales exponentially with levels. Therefore, you can trade a small amount of gun and crit damage for a large amount of your shield capacity back by getting a slightly underlevel Legendary Sniper class mod.
46:50 The new OP10 Melee Zer0 setup will require an OP1 shock Bone of the Ancients alongside an OP7 Chain Lightning with perfect damage (this is the setup for a perfect OP10 Hide of Terramorphous and Love Thumper).
52:50 Grenade kills will not trigger Many Must Fall, only melee kills. Not sure if Derch intended to mean that, but this is a clarification regardless.
59:59 The Survivor COM lets you go glass tank with the proper Turtle Shield, so it is far from useless. Glass tank is honestly probably the most “tanky” Zer0 setup there is. For those unaware of what I mean by “glass tank”, it is a setup where you try to get the lowest health value (greater than 1) to flat health regen ratio. This utilizes an inherent mechanic of the game called “health gating” which prevents most sources of damage from downing you if you are above 50% health (won’t work at 1 health). Low max health and high health regen means you’re passively regaining a ton of %health per second which allows you to stay above health gate easily.
You deserve more likes good summary
Agree with everything here except the bit about the Bekah. It is one of Zer0's best options, and far from a 'subpar build'. Yes Sniper Zer0 is stronger cos CA, but Sniper Zer0 blows any other Zer0 build out of the water. Zer0 is easily the best class with the Bekah and THE class to use it with if you want to maximize the potential of the gun.
@@darreltan1694 I’d argue Maya would be better with the Bekah due to Chain Reaction and Phaselock in general. Chain Reaction has the same synergy as B0re with projectile creation, however, Chain Reaction automatically targets enemies so you don’t need to line them up. Phaselock also works better for sustained DPS while Decepti0n is better for high damage single shot weapons. The Bekah also loves mag size and Maya provides that inherently through Foresight.
Should of just made a follow up video and linked it lol
I never realized that with deception makes sense though.
Unforseen I still don't think is great and even if the damage is ok, I think there are better skills
Two fang is disagree with you mainly because ammo pools and zer0 doesn't need extra shots. With a few stacks of CA you should be one shooting most enemies. Dahl already has a burst so adding more shots to that is a waste of ammo, maliwan or jakobs you don't need extra shots. Vladof with the fire rate don't mess with more recoil. Hyperion sure but really Hyperion snipers mostly suck.
On resurgence, I get your point. I'm the kinda player where the more I don't need moxxi weapons the better. Innervate and resurgence can keep you pretty well healed up which I think you have plenty of skill points for.
Yeah I was wrong on the bullet spread, demonite did a great video showing this. I did a lot of wall shooting and it seemed right but it's a hard thing to measure and I was wrong.
MOLMFs video on that, if I recall right but it's been awhile, he didn't touch inputs for part of it and vladof with no touching input was slightly better or even. Either way I think having multiple stocks that work well is better than one needed stock. Especially with some parts so locked to one, finding more options makes farming way easier.
I don't recall exactly what I said about the Bekah in this video and replying to this is already taking awhile. Sometimes you want to run a gun zer0 and not sniper. The Bekah is highly powerful in zer0s hands because it plays well with b0re and his crit skills. Abvex did show that the Bekah can take down dukinos mom faster than the pimp, but I know the lyuda could out do the Bekah. Yeah it's hard to get but it's a power house in his hands.
Even as someone whose always been a Zero main since day 1 I still to this day find myself learning something new everytime I check out your videos. Not all heroes wear capes♡ Love your content Derch, keep up the good work!
I love that the cap is now 80 since for melee zer0, i can spec everything into bloodshed(except grim) and still have enough points for kunai and b0re.
I appreciate that you included the Gwen’s Head; it’s been a surprisingly awesome gun for my Zer0 and I don’t think it gets enough love. Lots of good info here- thanks!
so fucking psyched to see you still making bl2 content man. I still play this game like crazy
Many do the game has serious staying power
I just started playing borderlands 2 again because my daughter likes it. Your video (and soon all of your videos) made me get my memory back. Thank you so much for explaining everything so well. I like that kind of videos!
I wish u could use zeros sword like kriegs axe
Krieg is life
I wish u could use Zero as Kriegs axe 🪓
Uhhhh have you not used a proper melee zero setup? It blows krieg outta the water
I feel like Zero and Maya are my two favorite BL2 characters and that they play somewhat similarly in how their action skill functions to give you massive aggro relief, enemy debuffs and passive character buffs.
I've recently been tackling UVHM with a bunch of characters and leveling them up. Of course, my Legendary Cat (with healing skills) Maya had the easiest time. But then I tried Axton and it was really, really fucking hard. I died constantly to everything. Sure, I'm a scub Axton, but his skill just feels too passive for me. Aggro relief is nice and passive slag is nice, but the cooldown is bigger and you can't panic button with the action skill.
I tried out Zero in UVHM and, if anything, it's going smoother than with Maya. Velocity is just amazing on most guns. I got a purple spitter from a red chest and two fang+velocity+reload buffs makes that shit unbelievably good.
You don't know the power of Salvador
I wish u could use zeros sword like kriegs axe
@@jacobwells9207 yup. Broken characters are fun
@@jacobwells9207 Zero>Sal
@@jacobwells9207 I tried playing Sal once and I absolutely hated it. I might start a Sal at level 30, that might make it more reasonable.
Nice, maybe for the axton guide, you could feature Demonite in it.
yeah he's the God of axton
I"ll see if hes up for it
I hope so brudda. I just subscribed hoping for an "in-depth" Ax build. But when i found out there that there isn't, it made me feel kinda of meh. But knowing i have a drunken Derch ASSAULT*(Not that it matters but hey. You were prolly' drunk, who cares Roflmao) to look forward to. Makes me kinda JAH'!
Awesome vids btw and nice personality :)
The axton video is coming for sure I'm doing all 12 playable characters from bl2 and tps
This is a beautiful thing.
Honestly Zer0 is one of those characters who can pretty much use any decent weapon
Love this! I just started a zero for the first time in awhile. knowing more about him will be useful information. Thanks Derch.
Glad you find it helpful
true neutral and jackobs relic with two fang=love :D
well that explains how i was able to one shot bunker with longbow. didn't expect bore to be that powerful. well now i know. thanks for the info overall derch.
I hoped that bore rant was easy enough for people to follow, I rarely see people explain it well
I love zero and been watching your channel for awhile and glad to see it on here
still watching these 🙂
Zero is my favourite video game character of all time
the only thing I can contest is your opinion on kill confirmed, it's a setup skill, zer0 likes big spaces and prepping the shot is quite important for him.
Kill confirmed is one of those skill that ties well with rising shot, they do not work opposite of each other, one is meant to increase your damage on first approach the other increase it during engagement.
i guess you're right about its 'trap nature' when using critical ascension, but for hybrid gun build, say with a legendary killer com, one might not even spec in CA, thus kill confirmed becomes much less of a trap and much more of way to maximise you dps even before firing the first shot.
I hope I'm not being too controversial
Thanks for explaining that, I missed why kill confirmed was a trap. I use it with a legendary killer com and SMG… love it, I a.d.s. a lot, so it’s always on.
YES! I always wanted you to do a guide for zer0
See I listen to requests :)
I love these videos and watch them over and over again (which is kind of sad). Mostly just to freshen up, my 9 year old daughter and I are still mobbing, we are now trying a no death run through.
Many people claim zero is hard to play but honestly once you gor the basic combatloop down hes one of the easiest characters to play especially in endgame since he can ramp up the alpha damage so high that you will almost always trade favorably and his action skill basically ensures that you have a good shot at getting out of sticky situations like every 10 seconds
In comparison i had a much harder time adjusting to the endgame difficulty with gaige since shes super gear dependent and you have to play super aggressively to make actual use of her anarchy dps and she just doenst have good health skills and all her shield skills dont help you much cause there is no "shieldgate"
But zero ist definetly one of the most fun characters to play just give him a big shotgun spec into kunai and start blasting
Yeah zer0 in the right hands is very deadly, in casual hands he's very squishy.
Oo nice just when I got my zero to op8 you release a build BEST DAY EVER
To any console users, like me, a low level (21-30) build that I’ve found incredibly satisfying is start in Optics, then Precision, then Bore and Velocity, and finally Kill Confirmed. Controller aiming takes time, so the extra steadiness and zoom from optics really help. So does more accuracy from Precision. Velocity makes the difficult job of leading targets using a controller more effective. Bore is good for instant crit spot info. And Kill Confirmed gets work in because aiming down sights using controller takes longer to line up crits. Believe me; this build really, really makes a difference. You’ll feel it immediately.
As far as Critical Ascension, Rising Shot, controllers are less able to be effective, so getting the bonuses is harder. Similar to kill skills, it’s harder to put together a series of crits and/or kills.
For controller, you may, in the end, be better off with accuracy buffs, than damage, since you’ll get more lead on target, making up for the “lost damage” from not using damage boosters.
Taking Optics and Precision over headshot and killer is really really dumb.
@@HenryMyth I don’t think it’s dumb, when I’m having a more enjoyable time playing the game with those skills. You think more damage is best, you do you. But a lot of players are like me; struggling to get critical hits while playing using a controller. Having more damage doesn’t help when I miss. So, in my mental equation, I’m killing just as fast with accuracy buffs, as I am with the damage buffs, but I’m having more fun, because I’m landing shots more often.
@@christophercollins3632 1.Snipers are already accurate and 2.Snipers already have good zoom. Y'know what snipers should do? Get one shot kills and y'know what they don't have? Good reload speeds. This is just common sense.
@@HenryMyth I don’t like snipers. It’s not a fun playstyle.
I don’t think you have a grasp on the point of my comment. Aiming with controllers is hard, compared to mouse and keyboard. So, while the Headshot and Killer might be optimal for M&K, controller users should think about the skills I mentioned, as alternatives.
It’s more fun when you’re hitting the target with ease, than sporadic big numbers while missing a lot.
Besides, bro, of what use is a kill skill, if I can’t kill this quickly in succession? Killer is a waste, most of the time, for me.
I never said it was an optimal build. I said it was satisfying. And I can justify it because I’m probably killing just as fast as with those optimal skills, cause the sub-optimal skills allow me to score his more frequently. Especially since I don’t use snipers.
@@christophercollins3632 Well regardless that makes no sense. If you can’t aim Zer0 isn’t for you period. Optics does basically nothing on non snipers and precision is only good for shotguns. Killer is huge boost to your damage and the reload speed makes kill chaining so easy. Besides if you’re running a gun build the Cunning tree is significantly better as a first skill tree than sniping.
I feel like you, MOLMF, and Demonite could make a really good collaborative video. Also, it'd be cool to see all of you at the Peak, each with your favourite characters, considering how good you guys are at your favourites.
I've got a few old peak videos with fiber up and he has some of us raiding together
Youy gotta ove zer0, man, he really rewrads smart/skilled gameplay, i love it :D
can't wait for the krieg video, Hellfire+Mania krieg is seriously underrated! Fire Fiend is such an underrated skill which really tides up all of his skills! melee, gunplay and fire Dot! O_O i made a build which was seriously ridiculous, the damage output was decent, but holy crap could you tank damage
I would say that kill confirmed is actually quite a potent skil, for two reasons: First it´s good if you wanna start an encounter and your enemies haven´t noticed you yet. Now you could just use a high crit damage Sniper, maybe a Jakobs Callipeen or something simular and just nutpick maybe one dangerous Badass enemy who then is probably as good as dead if you hit the headsot. Reason number 2 is that guns with large magazine which are also quite accurate like the bitch will just keep getting more powerfull as you empty your magazine maybe on a Bruiser or Pyro Pete or anyone else with a lot of hitpoints.....
survivor comp is not bad on a sniperzero^^ just want to say. u just said it he is glasscannon. i like it for solo mobbing since u dont need a high dmg comp. if u take an op8 turtle shield it reduces your health by alot since your health does not scale anymore from lvl 72. so when u thinking of healthgate, and the health regen this mod gives. so u basicly always regen more health per second than u actually have with a turtle shield^^ + u have like 3 million shield capicity. u can maybe try it out :) but overall i love your videos. very deep and detailed (specially your math aspects). im more interested in boss builds in detail to be honest. I think mobbing solo on every character is not that difficult. but raidbosses with some other character than BrokenZerker ;) i know u love maya. so do i. shes my favourite. but i really struggle soloing raidbosses with her. would love to see a maya boss guide from u.
Lm1ghty A lv67 Disturbed Survivor with an OP8 white Turtle Shield is the best combination for extreme survivability.
I love Zero! Using bore in a choke point is very handy. Good video!
Thanks for another great video Derch. Critical Ascension... I go both ways with this, I think the stacks decay too fast with too many guns. For example, I like to take a purple muckamuck (or similar Jakobs purple sniper) out from time to time. You can't really stack CA with it though, because of the slow fire rate and rate at which stacks decay. Most of the big uses of CA that I see, is the technique of stacking with a lower level Vladof with the weapons you want dropped on the ground to pick up. I've seen MOLMF's videos on killing Voracidious and BA round 6, and I do realize it does take some skill to stack, but still, doesn't feel like a mechanic that works to me. I look forward to being corrected if I'm missing something :)
You don't necessarily need to max stack your critical ascension stacks like MoLMF using a low level vladof on a disabled enemy. Obviously for raid bosses and the peak this can be insanely effective, but for mobbing try getting a solid steady dahl sniper. You can easily get a reasonable stack of CA popping off a few clips of headshots with your dahl quickly without any setup and then switch back to your primary weapon mid firefight. Give it a try sometime!
The only thing i dont like about kunai is they throw in like a circle pattern and from distance it can totally miss. Took me a little while to get used to
Skills
0:01:02 Action Skill
0:01:20 Decepti0n
0:03:44 Cunning tree
0:03:56 Tier 1 - Fast Hands
0:04:25 Tier 1 - C0unter Strike
0:04:58 Tier 2 - Fearless
0:05:31 Tier 2 - Ambush
0:06:01 Tier 3 - Rising Sh0t
0:06:40 Tier 3 - Unf0rseen
0:07:23 Tier 3 - Death Mark
0:08:36 Tier 4 - Innervate
0:09:25 Tier 5 - Tw0 Fang
0:10:03 Tier 6 - Death Bl0ss0m
0:11:34 Bloodshed tree
0:11:41 Tier 1 - Killing Bl0w
0:12:07 Tier 1 - Ir0n Hand
0:12:37 Tier 2 - Grim
0:14:08 Tier 2 - Be Like Water
0:14:40 Tier 3 - F0llowthr0ugh
0:15:27 Tier 3 - Backstab
0:15:49 Tier 3 - Execute
0:17:30 Tier 4 - Resurgence
0:17:51 Tier 5 - Like the Wind
0:18:13 Tier 6 - Many Must Fall
0:19:24 Sniping tree
0:19:31 Tier 1 - Headsh0t
0:19:35 Tier 1 - 0ptics
0:20:00 Tier 2 - Precisi0n
0:20:50 Tier 2 - Killer
0:21:13 Tier 3 - 0ne Sh0t 0ne Kill
0:22:30 Tier 3 - Vel0city
0:23:23 Tier 3 - B0re
0:28:28 Tier 4 - Kill C0nfirmed
0:28:41 Tier 5 - At 0ne with the Gun
0:29:28 Tier 6 - Critical Ascensi0n
You sir are an absolute legend
I'm glad you did do this series you helped me out a ton.
I love pretty much ask the characters in Borderlands 2. But you started with my favourite! I've been trying a universal build in a way because I very much enjoy the DPUH, Pimps, Maggie, and certain shotguns. Maya and Sal gotta be my next favourites
pretty much all**
Imagine if zero's hologram did a singularity effect
Thanks for this this helped so much
The survivor COM can be useful if you're looking to abuse the "extreme health gating" method
There are too many DOTS in the game for that IMO
Use a Turtle Shield with elemental Resistance
Ameya Agarwal shit thanks bud! I’ve been thinking of how to crack this for the last four years, gonna have a blast on OP 8 now! ;)
kunai does roid sheild buff damage as well!!
Yeah I forgot to mention it, thanks for bringing it up here.
No problem man, I love this series idea. Keep it up.
Does it take buffs from melee buffs?
Kunai do yes
Derch So you could use kunai as a range burst melee? Sounds pretty damaging to me.
Liked the video. looking forward to watching your other skill guides.
Great video. Very in depth. I do disagree on the whole "using love thumper makes you a scrub" argument. It just makes trash mobbing faster. I do agree that any skilled melee zero should be able to use other roid shields effectively. I certain love my hide of terra (:. Now, the people that can ONLY use the love thumper? Definitely aren't quite as proficient with melee zero
A Unforseen Build works better as a shotgun build hybrid in my opinion. You can use a singularity grenade because you don't have to strip your shield, Zer0 is already great with the Twister and The damage doesn't depend on the time you've spent in Decepti0n so you're getting your action skill back really really quick, so you don't need the Many Must Fall multiple Decoys.
And it's definitely viable. 11/5+Slag+Deathmark+Shock Bone = about 75000K Damage
Holy shit, an hour long guide? I hope all these guides are this detailed.
I'm not good at keeping things short
I don't mind a long guide if it's informative and detailed.
I'm surprised that you didnt do a collab with moral fiber on this one
or striker
5 years late! But hi! Zer0 actually does have a small amount of health regen, but not enough to make him viable for the Bee, it’s either a skill or a class mod (Or both), that heals Zer0 for some health while deception is active
oops, and deception melee bonus is additive as well. He's sort of the opposite of krieg, who has all additive buffs, but sends it through a multiplicative supercharger for his action skill if that makes sense... (BxR is multiplicative, rest of skill tree is additive).
"doesn't have the survivability to run around without a shield" Melee Zero with hide of terra: you fucking wot m8?
While in deception mainly
@@Derchlands exactly, if you're playing zero around having your shields down you usually wanna use a legendary hunter, cooldown relic of some kind (usually blood of the ancients), and I'd say in this case a good rolled kitten, as well as a rough rider
This is fantastic! Thanks for taking the time to do it. Was there a particular reason you used fire weapons, because I notice it made it hard to see damage numbers.
Not really just fire on flesh and all, thats a good point for the next one I'll use NE so you can see the numbers better
Kunai can apply all elements, so use them. You can slag enemies, and you will most of the time, so it’s really good.
Might be a little late, but the critical hit damage on Zer0's action skill is actually a lie--he only gets the gun damage. Don't know if it's a bug, but the critical hit boost has, as far as I know, has never actually been in the game.
yeah I put up an annotation and made up a follow up video talking about that and a few other things I got wrong, like the melee damage formula
oh okay. Just wanted to try and help, as I was on mobile and couldn't see annotations
Hi, console user here. I fondly imagine what it must feel like to get crazy CA stacks! (Since I’m never speccing into it. )
To any console users, like me, a low level (21-30) build that I’ve found incredibly satisfying is start in Optics, then Precision, then Bore and Velocity, and finally Kill Confirmed. Controller aiming takes time, so the extra steadiness and zoom from optics really help. So does more accuracy from Precision. Velocity makes the difficult job of leading targets using a controller more effective. Bore is good for instant crit spot info. And Kill Confirmed gets work in because aiming down sights using controller takes longer to line up crits. Believe me; this build really, really makes a difference. You’ll feel it immediately.
As far as Critical Ascension, Rising Shot, controllers are less able to be effective, so getting the bonuses is harder. Similar to kill skills, it’s harder to put together a series of crits and/or kills.
For controller, you may, in the end, be better off with accuracy buffs, than damage, since you’ll get more lead on target, making up for the “lost damage” from not using damage boosters.
I actually give to Vel0city most of the time, it gives nice gun damage but I really like how fast my bullets can travel, makes guiding shots much easier which was my main problem with aiming while playing as Zer0.
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Imagine a boss that will evolve if his health gets at a specific point, and his health gets to that point, BEFORE HE CAN EVOLVE maxed out zero with killing blow maxed out... it's over for the boss
Yeah, Voracidous is one of them. Go fight him melee on op10
b0re, the bane of all prossessors
Killing Bl0w is multiplicative if I remember correctly
Its insane. Period.
Yeah it is, my bad on that one.
+Derch
I think Backstab was multiplicative as well
But yeah Zer0 has a lot of multiplicative buffs
And its just so awesome haha
I'll add an annotation to it for those.
+Derch
On another note really glad to see this series and I often wondered if I should suggest it but never did haha
But luckily for me someone else was brave enough :P
My favorite character is Krieg so I'll be eagerly waiting for a Krieg analysis haha
Fearless with the rough rider doesn't work if you lower your shield below zero with a sniper mod
Out of curiosity, as you are the only youtuber who seems to like the presequal, what is your opinion on the interplay between Aurelia's I Never Miss and Zero's CA? Obviously from a raw damage potential, Zero can out dps everything. But how do you think that they stack up at a tradeoff between the decaying stacks, and the emphasis on not missing?
I think Aurelia's a much better designed sniper, I never miss is better because you don't have the decay or menu limits.
On why I like it more than some of the others, it was what I thought it would be, BL2.5 and not BL3. Gearbox said its on the same engine as bl2 but smaller and on the moon with lasers. Thats what we got. So thats what I expected and I loved the shit out of it.
I guess you could say I'm like the Kevin Smith of the bl2 community I love things and I like to talk about things I love. I'm an optimist and I like to focus on the good. Others love to hate, I love to love.
Unf0reseen builds are usable with MMF/Kunai/etc, but it's a very high skill ceiling build, which requires almost instant reaction time to make work.
Probably a better way to rephrase it.
I'm overwhelmed now I'm new to to borderlands 2 lvl 30. I just want to use sniper or all guns and I'm not sure what stuff I should save or sell :/
Don't sweat it at that level! Just have fun, always switch your weapons every few levels as you go cuz they get outscaled very fast. Overall, maybe spec into the middle tree primarily and start going into the sniping tree from there so you can have some balance. But you should be fine doing a hybrid build, and you can always change it later!
Yeah of course, but point is, color is overrated when the gun is underleveled. There will be plenty of points where you ditch the blue or purple you've used for 3 or 4 levels for a green that does much more damage because it's a higher level. Focus on the stats more than rarity--although rarity can be an indicator of how good a weapon it is (not universal though). And they're already level 30, so assuming character is already chosen and also assuming they chose zero, which is why I said to not focus overly on build. Hybrid can definitely work, and sniping or melee are both more difficult and gear dependent, so I wouldn't recommend to beginners :)
This level of complexity only really applies to UVHM and OP levels. TVHM and NVHM you have more freedom.
Save only those guns that strike you as being helpful on another character; pulling up secondary characters with the really choice drops from your main character can really ease those second through sixth new game playthroughs.
Also it can help to send particularly good quest rewards to a Salvador after your main is done with them, having a pair of certain guns can be great for him.
Wait, with Killer and Fast Hands you can get 100% faster reload speed? That's beast with 0ne Sh0t 0ne Kill
I am looking forward to Claptrap Kappa
"I hate RNG fuck this RNG fucking RNG I'm just going to say random things since this character is all fucking random, wub fucking wub wub"
I think that will be that video
love the video! would love to see them all!
Unforeseen is very good now ,using a Quasar and slagga for crowd control and slagging ,it kill most mob very easily. Not to mention there's a classmob to decrease Deception's cooldown ,it can decrease to around 8~9 sec ,so you can use it multiple time
the spy class mod is nice for when you can't get the Legendary Hunter, but once you get that and a cooldown relic or better yet a Bone of the ancient, the spy class mod becomes sort of useless other than the skills it can increase
Your Infinity firerate didn't change with and without the RR because you were wearing a sniper com. 0 shield -shield capacity = no shield, not broken shield, You weren't actually getting the Fearless boost.
Oh you sorta noticed a moment later with the kitten, my bad
would love to see more videos like this! you have earned yourself a like and a sub.
There will be one for each character in bl2 and tps, I don't know about bl1
+Derch Sweet!
I feel like class mods should also be divided into what works in early levels, versus what works in later levels. Sure, the max health on the survivor class mod is terrible at OP8, and in UVHM in general. But I think that (and correct me if I'm wrong) perhaps it'd work pretty well in normal mode and early TVHM, when you're not worrying so much about being healthgated.
I mean to be fair nearly anything works pre UVHM if you're competent and know what you're doing.
i love meele zrero, works the best with hellfire, conference call and obwiously weapons with +meele damadge. i use the law beacose i dont have dlc
Do us all a favor and learn English pls
I love the name derchlands
Is it just me or melee zer0 is the most effective way to play the game?
I find that melee zer0 has the easiest time in digi peak than sniper/shotgun zer0.
Probably cause you spend most of the time invisible lmao
@Mild Monster staying invisible and oneshotting almost everything xD
Melee zero in general is better at mobbing than Sniper zero, Sniper Zero excels at raid bosses though.
@@naytny5819 ofc. Stacking easy CA and hitting them hard. But I still find melee zer0 more gratifying. XD
@@ctse26 Same here XD😁😁
28:30 You mentioned Kill C0nfirmed being a trap, but I don't think you came back to it during the video (and if you actually did, I'm sorry). I'm really curious about that as pretty much every Zer0 build I have relies on it.
Yeah I did forget to go back, why its a trap is to stack CA you have to be pretty quick as well as rising shot. Rising shot and CA both add a lot more than kill confirmed, so by building KC you loose on the better DPS of CA/RS.
Thanks! It does make more sense to use KC for the initial Decepti0n shot and then continue with CA and RS. Can't wait for the videos on Axton and Wilhelm.
Wow I've never been this early!
Here is your worm
+Derch thanks! (Great video btw, this stuff is really useful)
Thank you for this......Excellent!!
I think the bore acctualy saved me with the bunker what happened was hat I was low health and I shot the bunker and ran and when I looked at the bunker his health dropped like 90% and I am gratefull
I've gotten a triple head shot with bore before. It was amazing
As of OP10 i cant see a reason not to use kill confirmed or like the wind. Zer0 only has so many dps increases to keep up with tougher enemies
cool guide! ;)
We need to do some runs sometime again
I think bore is overrated, it is very situational where you can really see its effect against certain big enemies. Hard to pull it off on pesky bandits. Having a pimpernel however you can nail consistent bore shots on mobs but on ther guns I dont know...
You can technically bore almost anything if you have a team mate willing to give you a hand. You can initiate a duel and have them stack their own hitbox on top of your target and get that sweet sweet bore one shot.
THANK YOU
For what?
@@Derchlands making such a detailed vid 👍
Killing Bl0w only works when your enemy has low health, so remember that.
still great for MMF chaining and for taking out a big chunk of damage from raid bosses
New to Borderland 2, i love dealing big outburst critical damage and take time to aim for that weakspot
Test out many characters but Zero seem to be the best for me
He said "Zero doesn't have the survivability to run around without a shield"
My Zero with a low level fabled tortoise and higher level sniper class mod heard that....... SMH😂
Thanks
These def need time stamps other than that they are great
I really wish the sniper tree was better designed, i would go that route if they gave a capstone where zero can throw his deception hologram with LONG BOW TECHNOLOGY this way it matches with the sniper build, sniper zeros barely use deception builds
yeah man i agree. i would rather throw my deception farther than have that stupid sniper damage stack skill like wtf im not trying to be gaige
Deception has many uses and for sniping you mainly use it for positioning and evasion. It's nice that your damage is so high you can save it for you actually need to use it. It's not a matter of not using it enough.
Huh? Deception is absolutely crucial for a sniper. You are in no way guaranteed the luxury of having space between you and the target and there will inevitably come a time you find yourself getting rushed down and cornered by the enemy. Assuming you'll always be in magical Christmas land picking off lone baddies one at a time uninterrupted is delusional.
i legit think that farther in the game the turret is treated more like a decepti0n that does slag
You said kill confirmed is a trap, and you were going to get back to it… did you get back to it? Did I miss it?
Personally I like using infinity when I use his legendary Sniper com to stack lv 10 on the first shot from a mag damage buff. I do use Godfinger and Invader depending on my distince and lastly I have a becka for all other situations. Sadly stacking his sniper com and a Bee If I get hit twice at op 8 I am dead as dead can be :P
Backstab, killing blow, and ambush are multiplicitive
Helped me out a ton thx
You know the unforgivin it sucks but zero makes it good
Temper_ Alpha It's still awful, just use a Maggie.
skill and gear guides for reborn pack? maybe? one day?
possibly
I'm very late here but I have a question about the CA math. The way you present it is additive, the percentage bonuses are based on the pre-CA damage. But when you demonstrate on the dummy, the damage seems to climb exponentially, as if the CA damage stacking was mulplicative, each bonus based on the previous total, all bonuses included. This would lead to the damage climbing faster and faster. Have I got this wrong? The numbers you are getting on the dummy at 100 stacks are about twice as powerful as the math would suggest?
Resurgence kills the siren
and re: multiplicative melee skills. Killing blow IS multiplicative, which is what lets zero hit damage cap with no effort. However, he has so many multipliers that he can hit damage cap without killing blow on enemies like scorch.MULTIPLICATIVE MELEE: killing blow (up to 1100%), backstab (up to 88%), execute (100%), ambush (up to %44), deathmark (80%). He's the Salvador of melee. Further, weapon attachments are multiplicative and crit is multiplicative (obviously). With all these multipliers, sky's the limit with damage.Melee crit NEVER exceeds x2. Crit buffs and debuffs are NOT applied to the melee formula.ADDITIVE MELEE: counter-strike, iron hand, be like water, like the wind, followthrough, and obviously passive COM.
The 250% crit damage from deception is not actually real. You just get the gun damage and melee boosts, deception doesn't boost crit. Not that you need it though, a fully specced gun zero (osok, ambush, deathmark, etc) multiplies his deception shot by about tenfold when using all available buffs (including landing a crit).Interestingly, the sniper com boosts crit to ALL weapons (even though it just says it increases sniper crit). The sniper damage boost stays with just snipers though.
morrisd9 I think your right after my first play with zero carrying into tvhm I found him to be terrible, which is odd because he does have good skills at least in their description, but if you follow me he does actually get critical boost just from the fact that a higher damage amount will multiply huger... so it gets no boost to the critical damage's multiplier but gets higher critical hit damage based on the guns and skilled applied... Acton was my first build and I've made him 3 builds that work well with both the legendary soldier and pointman mods as well as Neogenator... so between the 4 he is a extremely adaptive character... my zero now is lv 42 and I've completed inch and op 6 with Axton even solo-ed successfully Terra on Lv 72
morrisd9 I'm not disagreeing but I'm say he does get crib boost just not as natural as the skill makes it seem.... it's called deception....lol damn right it's deceptive
@@feralswrn9437 I think you misunderstand, the skill is literally broken. Gearbox has still to this day not patched in a hotfix to make Zero's action skill do what it actually says.
more math questions. Like at 29:58 you displayed the numbers.
Gun x 2 x (1+100%). where does that +100%(I asume A) come from?
10 stacks: Gun x 2 x (1+50%) x (1+60%). I understand that teh +50%A comes from teh 10 stacks, but where did teh +100% go? why is it not +150%?
The 100% is the natural sniper bonus, I forgot to put it in on the second part. So the number should be 780.
so the natural sniper crit bonus is a B type. Got it, thank you.
+texteel no it's type a
okay, then I cant math. If its type A, shouldnt it be:
Gun x (1+100%+50%) x 2 x (1+60%) = 800.
If its type B
Gun x (1+50%) x 2 x (1+100%+60%) = 780.
"So the number should be 780". What the hell do i keep getting wrong?
or...did I just list that +100% crit dmg on the same slot as gun dmg? Yep, I fucked up. My bad.
The community patch really helps his talent tree. They actually swap the places of Grim and Fearless on the tree. And Iron Hand ends up being better for your tier 1 skill if you're going guns, because it gives you some damage reduction. Then you can get Fearless into Followthrough. I'm going with a gun build, excluding snipers. It's insane.
Hey Derch; love the vids! Slightly off topic, but about the Lyuda, it used to be called "White Death" on xbox but the last 2 I've gotten use Lyudmila a reference to Lady Death I assume. Do you know if this was changed in a patch?
Yeah I think I remember seeing that in the patch notes
Derch Thanks, I was guessing that, but I don't check the patch notes like you do. Good work on Zero I just respeced on PC and xbox. Only have lvl 48 & 41 though.
I learnt ambush is good for guns I thought it was a meele thing
Basically, Zer0 is all about Damage Stacking to take out single targets, as is his role of assassin. However, Krieg has made melee-focused Zer0s obsolete, so I wouldn't spec too heavily in Bloodshed
Melee Zer0 is completely different than melee krieg -- the only similarity is in the name.
Melee zero is a precision and skill instrument, melee krieg is a jackhammer. Neither is obsolete.
@@aksajitsingh Until you realize that high level badasses can withstand all of Zer0's melee-damage stacking even with the Rapier. Then you have a glass cannon staring down something that can one-shot him at close range. Krieg doesn't have that problem
@@jacobwells9207 This is incorrect.
Melee zero can oneshot everything that isn't a miniboss (like dukinos mom). All badasses, including super badass and ultimate badasses are one shot by melee zero (digistruct peak, op8).
It does require skill and precise decision making to do, but it is completely possible.
Watch @strikerzidane on RUclips to learn how.
@@jacobwells9207 Lol must not be using the Love Thumper/Hide properly
@@jacobwells9207 Dumb and wrong.
Is there a skill or something to where his hologram can acatully damage enemies? I mean besides unforseen, I'm talking about the sword the hologram swings around with
For leveling, is it best to go down mid tree 'til Kunai then decide on sniper/gun VS melee tree?