Electrical Burn basing the burn damage on the electrocute damage is kind of a small detail but it's actually a really meaningful effect because burn dot's are weaker but last longer, while shock dot's are much bigger but end faster, so you end up getting to really crank fire dot's while getting their longer duration, and then Enchantress & Wires both make them all that much better.
Try abusing shock grenades with Gaige & you'll really see those damage ticks rise up. Electrical Burn + Chain Lightning (which is approved by the man, the myth, the legend himself behind Deputy Sal, Chuck80) is a busted ass combo that makes Shock Gaige fun as hell.
Randomly found your channel but maybe because of the BL3 hype 🤷🏻♂️ but wanted to say very well done with your in-depth analysis. Agreed her skill trees are quite unbalanced and some skills would be better off in other trees but with that being said she is still so damn fun. Been playing her since day one and it wasn’t until your video that I really started mix matching and not caring about cap stones (I always felt like I needed one just cause it’s the cap). I don’t agree with everything you said about usefulness of skills but you also gave a lot to consider with others. Look forward to seeing your work in BL3 good luck!
While this video was very informative and I did love how in-depth you went with every single skill, it was far more entertaining hearing you try to keep it together with the hangover.
Nth degree isn't diminishing returns. It's exponential returns, it's just that the first point provides the most benefit. If you could boost it past 5 it would be god tier.
Yes, it is exponential, yes, the first point gives the most benefit, and yes, it would do tremendous damage below 5th. However, the return on your first skill point (11.1%) is greater than the return on the next four combined (8.9%). That's why people say "diminishing returns." 1000 shots (baseline) = 1000 hits 1000 shots (+9th) = 1111 hits 1000 shots (+8th) = 1125 hits 1000 shots (+7th) = 1143 hits 1000 shots (+6th) = 1167 hits 1000 shots (+5th) = 1200 hits 0 skill pts = 100% dmg 1st skill pt = +11.1% marginal dmg 2nd skill pt = +1.4% marginal dmg 3rd skill pt = +1.8% marginal dmg 4th skill pt = +2.4% marginal dmg 5th skill pt = +3.3% marginal dmg
Because I closed the annotations and got fucked over. I'll post these timestamps for the benefits of myself and others. 6:10 Ordered Chaos 26:29 BFFs 47:16 Little Big Trouble 1:14:05 Guns 1:37:40 Shields, Grenades, relics
Melee capstone on a gun damage tree is just so stupid. It should been like a skill where you always start with 100 anarchy or something like that. would have been really good.
I am new to BL2 and I play as Gaige. I started out as support for my husband who plays as Axton. Now I play solo currently with the same Gaige at the tail end of TVHM, and I am just getting slain. I appreciate this video for the indepth discussion of the builds. I hope it fixes her up because I don't want to rely on legendaries I don't have to end TVHM and enter UVHM.
For anyone referencing these amazing videos to this day, Made of Sterner Stuff is a for sure One Point Wonder, as it has a hidden effect of decreasing all Fire DOTs by 50%.
There are a couple of things, mostly about Deathtrap, that I think are worth adding. Firstly, and you actually experience this in the video but aren't sure why: you can control Deathtrap, to a point. When you summon him, if an enemy is in your crosshairs, this communicates to him to go attack that enemy. When you're talking about grenades, this is why he attacked the target dummy that time, but not earlier. This can be used on very distant enemies to tell him to cross a lot of ground to hassle enemies who aren't even aware of you. When I first got into UVHM and was struggling, this really helped me a lot because it meant Deathtrap played distraction at a much greater distance giving me more time to just...not die. Second, just a bit of additional info about Buck Up since I have used it a lot as I almost exclusively play solo: it doesn't actually do what it says. Since it claims to restore "100% of a shield" but it's actually just a ton of shield restoration that seems independent of the shield it's being applied to, meaning it can be much much more than the shield's capacity, or even not full capacity. Like, on a Bee, he gives your shield enough juice to restore it many times over, and he can. The shield restoration beam he fires on you is a constant effect for its duration, and so if your shield was restored to full, but then is damaged again before the beam expires, it is restored again, allowing the use of the Bee's amp damage even under fire briefly. But on the other hand, if using something like a Hoplite, it won't actually fully restore it. I think it only gets me around +600k in shields or so from Buck Up. Well, at level 72 anyway. Make It Sparkle, from what I understand, can never reduce Deathtrap's damage. I don't know the exact value though I recall it being high, but basically when you shoot him with an element, it adds _additional_ damage of that element to his melee attacks, a substantial amount, not actually converting his existing damage. I think it may be like 2x as much as base. I never used it much because I found it difficult to manage with high anarchy and I for a long time didn't have a great corrosive gun for regular fighting so I'd switch to a crappy one just to give him corrosive vs. loaders, then switch to a shock gun for my damage but then accidentally hit him and just bleh. But I do recall it having a very noticeable, substantial increase in damage, even when elements weren't matched to weaknesses. As for shields, while I understand not covering it what with everything being OP8, for those who don't go into OP levels like me (and I know some others since the times I have coop'd I saw a fair few hanging back at 72), Hoplite is a really amazing shield on Gaige that I very highly recommend if you don't plan to go into OP levels where it breaks. The speed penalty isn't debilitating if you're the only one with it on, the shield capacity for me after bonuses is around 2.8 million and it, coupled with blood-soaked shields lets you just be such an amazing tank when mobbing (and even raid bosses generally can't break it in one, maybe even two hits especially if Deathtrap uses Buck Up between those hits, which is mighty awesome). And since it's a turtle shield, it makes keeping above health-gate with a Hail extremely easy too. The one problem though is you can't summon Deathtrap if you have Sharing Is Caring with this shield on, because it'll cause a glitch with the health reduction that depletes yours. >_>
I've got Gaige up to OP7 and I didn't know about controlling him with the cross hairs! I agree about the Hoplite, but I found it viable up to OP5ish - if you get an OP1 or a perfect parts OP2 you can have 3,000 health and more than 3.5 million shield.
Viper Bags thabk you for this very insightful comment. It helped me out a lot. This DT shield thing helped me stay alive much longer than I should have. Keep up the good work. :)
I know im late but buck up does fully restore your shield but its set since the beginning so when he starts he will heal lets say 1k for your shield but if you get hurt it subtracts it from your shield making it seem like he didnt fully restore your shield
Viper Bags Dude, awesome comment. Thanks for this. I have made it to 72 with Gaige and literally had no idea that spawning DT with an enemy in crosshairs would make DT attack that enemy first. Pretty amazing and helpful info.
He's always called out others in the community for their bs. Imo, Derch was the best content creator in the Borderlands community and I'm glad his content is still getting views.
@@atlys258 True, but even he would get on some bulls*** as well. Especially when the UCP for BL2 first came out. He further does so even in THIS video.
@@seththenightgamer6206 wires dont talk. Bahroo made a video saying its bad, and used vacuum based data to prove his point, and didnt factor in any outside factors
Agree with a lot of things. Death from Above really is the skill that wasn't, it could have been awesome. You can use it with an Airborne Anarchist COM and forego Discord, that way you'll get 11/5 of ranked damage and cycle 25 and 0 stacks, building them again with Rational Anarchist while slagging the next victims. Niche build, but it works fine on OP8. That doesn't change the fact that it's a wasted opportunity. I like the capstones better than you do, especially since With Claws can make Gaige a melee powerhouse (I'm sure you've seen her kill Hype with melee only for instance). The anarchy cost is negligible since you'll be slagging and Grog-tanking a lot like any other melee character. Swapping shields - I dunno, I don't notice doing it anymore, it's such a habit. I can see why it bothers people, but they probably didn't design it with the FotFH or Hide in mind. That's a bit of min/maxing which turned out too fun not to do. MiS can do some real work, and although I'll grant you that the occasional hit with the wrong element can be wasted DT is very likely to catch the correct one soon enough. Not the best capstones in the game by any stretch of the imagination, but it does tie into the problems of her design overall. It seems like so many ideas had to be tied into some sort of cohesive whole that they just lost their way. Skill placement and design could certainly be improved in several ways. Other things had to be scaled for balance across all game modes - Shock Storm is an example. If the range and damage were better, SS+DT with Upshot Robot would simply leave Gaige in the dust. (Literally, given how fast he is.) As for the 'disjointed' action skill - yeah, apart from the stellar Upshot Robot there's a lot to that, although it's worth keeping in mind that Evil Enchantress and Unstoppable Force will proc on a DT kill. Safe to say they've learned more with Jack and Wilhelm. On the other hand, Wolf, Saint and Jack's clones feel seriously dull in comparison. Since they wanted DT to have a great deal of autonomy, sacrifices had to be made. Maybe a robot with a mind of his own (derps included) might be the perfect companion for an anarchist. One could argue that it makes Gaige a more 'true' pet character than any of the others. (Axton might disagree, but then his relationship to his turret would give a psychologist nightmares.) You probably didn't want a wall of text in your current state, but that's the price you pay ;)
Derch, you always make me want to go back and play more Borderlands when I see these videos. Probably why I have 900+ hours in the series. Problem is that I don't have internet where I keep my desktop.
Cooking up trouble is one of her greatest survival and healing skills, 4.4% when boosted and it was enough for me to beat UVHM with no moxxi weapons in UVHM. 1Life of course. And regarding her capstone in her anarchy tree, I think it's great that they added an option to convert your stacks into some melee usage, it actually makes melee Gaige amazing especially with roid shields and all, I've tested it and it did great.
Cooking up Trouble is insta 5/5 for me in every build. Like Chuck said "ppl that skip it, don't understand the game". And it's funny because i was playing with my gf last night and telling her that everyone always craps on With Claws. And i told her i've come to the conclusion that these ppl must just play the game really slow and timid. You know the ones afraid to get close to enemies... Even if you aren't going to use a dedicated melee build, a couple slashes when you're at very low health gets you past health gate. Also fun to finish off slagged enemies in style even without roid damage. Maybe it's not great for a capstone skill, but it's nowhere near a terrible skill.
Cooking Up Trouble is great. Axton has a very similar skill and it's good for the same reason. You always go into every fight at full health and you'll heal up to full in between combat zones.
Unboosted the skill can take up to 50 seconds to heal you and theres plenty cases where you dont have that much time between combat zones. It does not 100% guarantee you will go into combat with full health unless you specifically wait for it, at which point you might as well go buy some health at a vendor. Also instead of spending points on this skill you can just open a few crates in between combat zones. There's plenty crates in bl and they give you plenty healing kits. Outside of health gating, which lets be real is hardly necessary, i cannot see how this skill is useful at all.
Let's not forget the funny glitch that makes deathtrap restore any boss with shields to full cause that is a fun glitch that isn't a issue at all you just spent ten years trying to get master gee's shield down only for deathtrap to say haha yea do it again
Regarding Deathtrap and aggro relieve on raids, it kinda depends on what you're doing. DT can really mess with the AI and make the fight take longer. If I want to kill the boss as quickly as possible I actually purposely don't summon DT. Terra, the Dragons and especially Gee are good examples. If DT is too close to Terra he'll start punching the ground until DT dies, which means you can't get upclose to Terra or you will die, and since you want to be close to him with Gaige, because of accuracy this can be a bad thing. For the dragons it can be annoying when DT causes the wrong dragon to land (and potentially make him unslaggable with a DoT). And for Gee you never want to summon DT, because once Gee melees him he'll stop moving and shoot his rocket launcher for a certain period of time, preventing you from letting him walk over acid pools (you can still use SIngularities I believe, but they're gonna run out sooner or later). On the other hand DT is nice for some other raids like Craw or Pete. Don't remember what he does to Voracidous or Hyperius, so he might be good there as well. And about melee on Gaige, while it is very niche it is extremely fun and viable on OP8 if you pre-stack (ofc not in raiding range, but most builds aren't). Between With Claws, Upshot Robot and her melee COMs (and also Strength of Five Gorillas, which is a minor boost) you can actually get a good amount of damage. With Claws actually increases her melee speed, which is another DPS boost. And together with all of DTs melee stuff you really get the synergy between Gaige and him you were looking for. And she does actually do a decent job taking hits to her health. WC gives you health on melee attacks, Cooking Up Trouble and Discord can work together, then there's Potent as a Pony and Made of Sterner Stuff and she has DT to take aggro relieve and deal a ton of damage as well. The 3 biggest problems Melee Gaige has are knockback, her shield skills and her dependence on stacks. Krieg is heavier than other characters so he can ignore knockback for the most part and Zer0 is rarely getting melee'd anyway because he is invisible. Gaige on the other hand has a hard time staying near enemies until they're dead and to also heal off of. Then there are all of her shield skills which won't work with roid shields. So you lose a ton of her abilities, but on the other hand it gives you free points to spent on other stuff. And finally she depends on having a lot of Anarchy stacks and while Upshot Robot isn't always needed with 400 stacks of Anarchy it can be a massive help but is very inconsistant. Overall it's no build you're going to solo the Peak with very quickly, but it's a ton of fun and has a lot more thought and synergy behind it than you might think. I'd defenitely say Gaige is the 3rd best melee class after Zer0 and Krieg. I think making Gaige semi-melee is a good thing, because it allows for more variety and doesn't leave you with only two classes that can purely focus on melee. I actually consider this good game design, just not executed in the best way. Regarding Close Enough it actually does reduce the damage of the Fibber and other ricochet weapons like the Stalker if it procs (the only exception is the Madhouse I believe, since it spawns 2 new projectiles). The damage reduction of the Fibber is just very small because it only reduces the listed bullets. On the Stalker however it can reduce the damage on every bounce assuming CE procs on every bounce, leaving you with extremely small damage numbers. Also Explosive Clap's damage is actually pretty small. It's less than Axton's Nuke (which does actually make sense since it's not a capstone, but it's still too low) and you can't control the explosion to knock back enemies when you want (and as you said it keeps DT from meleeing them). I still use it sometimes, but it's pretty meh. I also wouldn't compare Sharing is Caring to Jack's skill. I actually believe such a skill is better as a capstone than a gamechanger, because it can be so powerful. Also THANK YOU for explaining why WDT is a good skill and perfectly fine in the state it is.
Also the orb of the Thunderball Fists deals is 150% damage, not 250%. ^^ I also wouldn't recommend the Seeker on Gaige. The firerate is just too low and the damage is only decent with high Anarchy stacks. The KerBlaster is just so much better, because it's not that difficult to just walk up to enemies. The Seeker also deals pure launcher splash, it doesn't have any extra damage. The Kitten is also pretty much just an inferior Hail and it becomes almost unusable with high Anarchy stacks. Also it should be noted that the Pitchfork's unlisted projectiles (just like the Harold's) don't get Close Enough.
Agree with you on the Dragons and Gee, but against Terra he can be a great asset if you time it right. He can tank the ground pound on OP8 if you give him a shield, and if you release him at the right time and distance he'll draw aggro at medium and long range - leaving you free to get in close and lay waste. Coincidentally, releasing him when you've been flicked into the air can have him hover there for quite some time, drawing all aggro from you. Against Vorac he usually dies in three seconds if either of them decide to go melee. That's one of the times when the beam laser derp is actually something you want. Against Hype he acts as you'd expect, although he's almost guaranteed to get in close during the enrage phase, making that part trivial. Just be careful he doesn't catch any reflected bullets during the shield phases or you'll kill him :/
Agree on melee Gaige, although I might rate melee Sal a bit higher. Best thing about Gaige is that she can recharge her roid and have it knocked down by the time she closes distance with an enemy, so she doesn't really need to strip her shield often. Its nice for QoL.
I'm with you on the Kitten, but the Seeker has a definite use for me - Peak slag turrets. Those little "annoyances" are often stuck high up and very difficult to bounce a shot at. Once everything else is dead you can hide behind a rock and take them out pretty safely with the Seeker.
I've been reading this thread for the past year now. I stop by once every couple months and kill a few minutes. It's like reading a novel. By the time I finish, I won't even remember where it started.
What Gaige player does not take Cooking Up Trouble? This is one of her better skills, Derch. Combined with Blood Soaked Shields, you always have full shields and health with these 2 skills. If you have high anarchy stacks, you kill things faster, then your shield is full more often, your magazine is full more often, and it is just a feedback loop. This is a fantastic skill.
Something about buck up - it sometimes (seems to happen more often with constructors) makes deathtrap restore enemy shields... It is one of the stupidest bugs 😅
The nth degree is literally the opposite of diminishing returns, it happens more often the more points you put in. You gave the example of a shotgun with 20 pellets, with one point every ninth pellet that hit would chain. Resulting in two extra hits. With five points every fifth pellet would chain, or four of the initial twenty. and if you're using an smg or ar, and you also count each chain as an additional hit. So let's say we have an smg with 25 mag, the fifth bullet reflects and procs one point for the next rebound, so now the ninth bullet you fire (four past the fifth) will rebound then the 13th, 17th, 21st, and 25th. So you get six rebounds in a mag of twenty five, even though just by the numbers you'd get 5. Buck up is absolutely fantastic for speedruns, and more importantly, it's good for every situation other than the three you named, and one's a glitch. the hundreds of situations it's good in is far more important than the few it's bad in. "You're usually going to be using blood soaked shields." No, that's an awful skill in my opinion. unstoppable force is much better. Explosive clap hits multiple enemies for a lot and even in ult can kill alot of mobs outright, especially if you're slagging. 'Sharing is caring is bad because Timothy is the most overloaded character ever.' Meanwhile compliments jack on having synergy between his trees but Gaige is a badly designed character for the same thing. Close enough aims for crits rather than center of mass so you get shock storms quite often and with enough shock damage boosts it will kill enemies, plus it's boosted by coms. the only problem I've ever had with the stare is that it can glitch it you have it and buck up and dt can kill you instead. One two boom is actually really good so long as you pay attention, that thing you usually appreciate (Spirit bomb joke is inaccurate and unfunny). Overall a fair video, just some of your points are inaccurate or very biased opinion wise. Which is fine, i just disagree.
For sharing is caring, If gearbox wanted to improve the quality of life of it (aka not doing the double switch) they should have put down your favorited shield (the star next to loot) will be the one that deathtrap equips over your own. If you have multiple of these shields, he will choose 1 at random. Would have probably been the best way for it. Sure you got to take up a backpack slot but that is relatively minor considering we have a big backpack and we don't have to deal with the whole shield recharge from switching it. Plus it would allow for a mostly useless mechanic to have gameplay purpose. Great video and wish you could give me some of your background tracks names they are so good! You have inspired me to try and do your breakdown style of ideas and gameplay mechanics (though not good slowly improving) so massive thanks! Hope things are going well for you!
Gaige with community patch is so good. Between Nth degree, and the now only 1 ammo per shot pitchfork, she can wreck loaders, and the bunker is childs play, done in 3 bursts. Even at 150 stacks the pitchfork's pattern stays true. That plus a prodigy comm to counteract some of the accuracy issues, bad touch and shotguns with fixed spread (like twister or triquetra) seem to do pretty well. The triquetra does suffer at higher stack counts but with gaige and shotguns you're also inches away from enemies all the time. Also, the patch changed with claws to add swap speed, which makes gaige so much better at getting slag out and switching back to your damage gun.
Now that I think about it as you go through these trees it Dawns on me that they probably randomized where they put different skills amongst the three skill trees to mirror the idea of Anarchy. It seems pretty clear that some of the melee skills that should be associated with death trap are put in the other skill trees to impose a sort of Randomness to the process.Thr same with skills related to reloading and kills that would have a direct impact on Anarchy stacking being spread out across all three trees.
another two things that are great with discord is, the massive accuracy buff. you can be at 400 stacks of anarchy and a few buzzards come around, and you might be semi screwed, spending clips trying to hit them. had a side mission in the dlc where the entire area was buzzards. activated discord, had a nice time able to actually hit them, only lost around 100 stacks by the end of the mission. on top of that, before you have ways to get health back easily, which i kinda like with claws for, a lot of enemies try to get close, enough to use them for hp occasionally, kinda like the orphan maker + captain blade's otto idol for hp/kill
Also a comment on wires don't talk: they seem to forget that many of the best grenades in the game come only in shock damage. So if you combine this with 30% of a Bone it actually goes to a more solid 45% more shock damage with EVERYTHING, grenades, guns, reload, electric storm, status effect, and furthermore when slagged because of the multiplicative. So yeah, it's actually not bad at all it's just not op but it does seem solid if you ask me.
I would say anarchy is her actual capstone in ordered chaos and they thought adding something else would make ordered chaos over powered but I agree it shouldn't have been a melee override. It's just anarchy has to be one of the first skills or the skill tree wouldn't work if anarchy was at the bottom. I would have preferred ordered chaos capstone to be something that improves accuracy and allows deathtrap kills to add anarchy stacks.
Hello fellow Vault Hunters!, It's amazing to see people still having discussions and innovating a game that's almost 6 years old. The UCP has been a massive breath of new life into a an "older game" and has reshaped the way a lot of us play this game. A very special thanks to Shadowevil and the other players that have been working tirelessly on the UPC. You guys are the true champions of the Borderlands. While a lot of the changes have been welcome I purpose a little shift in perspective when altering loot and characters, especially when it comes to character skills. Most of us especially the more seasoned players have been playing end-game for a very, very long time. This can alter the way we view different characters and abilities, which can impact the way they are fixed. So I purpose a challenge for our season players. I call it the Throwback Challenge Here are the rules Play UVHM (No OP levels)...yet Build your character without using the last 22 points you get from the additional level packs Use only Generation 1 class mods i.e (legendary Siren, Berserker, Soldier.. ect) No Pearl weapons i.e (Bekah, Godfinger, Sawbar...ect) No E-tech Relics i.e (Bone of the Ancients, Skin of the Ancients..ect) No Tiny Tina DLC loot i.e (Chain Lighting, Grogg Nozzle, Antagonist, Class Mods... ect) No OP gear... yet If this challenge already exists someone please point in the that direction. If not and if you post content to RUclips or Twitch please share this challenge us and your thoughts. #ThrowbackChallenge #NoMoreIvoryTowers
15:30 This video didn't age well, after they added Battle for the sanctuary DLC, they increased characters level cap to 80 so now you DO have spare points 😅
I think With Claws is a really cool capstone but I feel like its numbers are just too weak. You only get +0.6% melee per stack where your gun damage is +1.75% per stack so it's better to just use guns 100% of the time. They should've boosted it to a ridiculous degree that outshines the gun damage so it matches the high risk/high reward for the rest of the tree. Sure she's frail but if she doesn't die before she gets to you, you're as good as dead.
shock is probably my favorite element because its useful on practically everything-sure its not AS powerful as matching the element to the enemy but its still very helpful so you dont need to swap guns constantly
Also, Close Enough has at least one situation where its bad. If you are using the Storm, the bullet will explode on contact with the ground, but if it procs, the splash damage will be reduced by 50%, since you need high amounts of anarchy to make Storm work, you will actually miss most of the shots, so its better not to spec on Close Enough if you are using it
Bro, you just made this perk so much more interesting. 60 some percent fire res, the shock res from her other perk, and a corrosive immune shield could make her a super tank. Thank you for the heads up,, I'm definitely gonna move some perks around based on this info :)
Because the Bee is pretty trash for mobbing and on Gaige you should be using high capacity shields. Anarchy gives you more damage than you would ever need.
@@HenryMyth Nailed it. Also, the Bee is sort of an implied "get this and melt everything with it" item, it barely needs to be mentioned for any character since it's often a go to item for people. I think Axton is the only character who can utilize it well enough comparatively to mention, and I personally don't even like it on him much.
no dislikes. Im inpressed. I got an idea for the anarchy capstone, which says "Your anarchy stacks are now saved", that means you get 400 anarchy and then save&quit and come back later, but you still loose everything after you die.
Maybe for capstone to anarchy would be every reload gives a random stat bonus for that magazine? Damage, fire rate, reload speed, magazine size, more elemental damage? Then put claws further up in the tree
I''ve been playing around more with Gaige lately, this time with a shock build. Myelin is quite nice. UVHM dots are very scary and the scariest dots are shock dots imo. Enemies with shock weapons are super dangerous. For a tier 1, this skill gives you bigger shields and shock resistance. The two enemy types I hate most are Scavengers with shock guns and Ultimate Badass Pyre Threshers, and this skill helps a lot with the first group. Myelin also builds nicely off of Gaige's other skills, like Blood Soaked Shields and Fancy Mathematics, and makes her an ideal character for high capacity shields. Make it Sparkle is good too. It's free DPS on Deathtrap. You're only going to reach that capstone on a shock build, so accidentally giving DT the "wrong" element isn't going to happen. On a shock build, you'll be firing either slag or shock rounds and both elements are pretty neutral in this game. I don't know if DT can slag enemies for you if you slag him first, but I don't see why not. I know his attacks can set off the chain of shock+fire dots if you electrify him. I was doing the Hammerlock DLC lately with a Wired Zapper Gaige and DT does insane damage when you electrify him. All those Badass Savages and Witch Doctors get melted. Plus, DT naturally hangs out in the middle of a bunch of bad guys, so hitting him takes no special effort on your part. Make it Sparkle is really well-thought out imo. Gaige has all these skills to increase her shock damage, but her action skill has nothing to do with shock damage. This is a way to greatly improve DT and give you more synergy between him and Gaige. Unlike a lot of DT's damage skills in Gaige's trees, you get all that extra damage + more shock dots and fire dots with very minimal skill point investment. I don't know for sure if the damage bonus on DT is multiplicative or not, but it's elemental so it should be.
For BFF tree explosive clap should go away, the shield sharing capstone should replace Buck Up, and the capstone for BFF should be a Singularity that procs centered on Deathtrap which pulls enemies into him.
i feel like the one thing that would have solved everyones deathtrap issues is if you could assign a button to have him go and attack a specific enemy, you cant make him go away after you summon him right? why not make it so pressing the action skill button while aiming at an enemy after you summon him makes him go and attack that specific enemy, for the most part you can leave him to do his own thing, but if you need him to attack someone specifically you could order him to edit: also, when you get buck up it should make it so you can press the action skill button on an ally to restore their shields, he still restores yours at random (not the best, but you cant exactly press the action skill button on yourself) but you need to order him to restore other players, so that way he wont randomly try and restore a rough rider or someone whos using a melee shield
j ciarkowski It was a joke, lol. I said Elephant gun because it's the slowest firing weapon in the game, and with 600 stacks of anarchy, you will NEVER hit a target. It is nearly impossible
Maybe a good skill or a built-in ability for Gaige would be something like this: Name: Enemy de la Revolucion Description: When Gaige hits an Enemy with a melee attack, the Enemy is marked. Then, Deathtrap will ignore all other enemies and attack only the marked target with a bônus melee damage based on How much anarchy stacks she has. This would be a great skill for ordered chaos.
I think that nothing can top the "shitiness" of Bloodwing's synergy with a Hunter.Without any boosts,this action skill is beyond worthless even on early levels and specing on skills that cause daze and health regen AFTER THE RECALL don't work with a high crit/one shot,one kill character.The fact that you have to stare at enemy and that the damage is never impressive always bugged me to the point I couldn't finish my gameplay with Mordy.Deathtrap at least can do some damage so i wouldn't call him the worst action skill.Also Hi Derch,good to see you back
Agreed, Bloodwing is absolutely the worst action skill in all the games. Dazing is all he's good for but given he doesn't attack enemes you aren't looking at (leaving you open to attack) on a class that is squishier than Zer0 and has to kill people immediately. Doesn't help he takes forever to do it, and glitches up worse than Subsequence means he isn't even very good at that. And it absolutely pales compared to Lillith's and Brick's methods of Dazing. Deathtrap was a step forward from Bloodwing, and Wilhelm a few steps forwards from that.
Pretty much, a "Pet" skill should always relieve agro from the player while he/she is doing something else ala reloading while in cover. Bloodwing is such a terribly designed action skill.
Bloodwing--the only action skill bad enough to get killed In all seriousness, the ranger mod giving a 1 second cooldown on a 9-chain bloodwing was really quite effective. Bloodwing was only odd on Mordecai in the way that Buzz-Axe Rampage is odd in about 50% of Kreig builds.
amusingly, when i started borderlands, i was playing a brick, because in my head, i sucked at FPS games, could use a melee action skill to cover my ass (should've gone lilith or roland). my friend, loved mordecai, because "i can use him to get extra loot" recently, played BL1 on the ps4, tried mordecai for that reason, god bloodwing sucks. i mean, once you get it going it might be alright, but even then, prefer lilith or roland.
One Two Boom would be viable if it has a faster charging animation and the orb behaves like the BFG projectile from Doom 2016. E.g., orb moves faster in air, generating electrical arcs dealing DoTs on nearby enemies, causing a massive splash damage to enemies on impact and capable to stun tough enemies like Badasses for a few seconds from a direct hit. Which I think it would work as a capstone skill for LBT skill tree. Plus I also think DT should gain the bonuses from Unstoppable Force, mostly for the mobility boost.
One thing with Gaige is that if you go down the anarchy tree, you can't use the infinity. Unless you get a class mod from Tiny Tina, which can increase mag size back over 1
+derch For my Gaige build I remapp my controls and remove reload. A better capstone for Ordered Chaos would be an Anarchy Slot Machine where you either get a bunch of stacks or a random elemental "boomtime!" nova. call it One-,Armed Bandalera
i always start with the middle tree then will head for the anarchy cause while i know with the leevl cap we can now have extra keystone skills i'll be able to have a better chance at killing stuff lol x3
If you knew the alchohol prices in Norway you would know why i said one :P I honestly don't know why people skip CuT. Combine it with Discord-toggling, and the right mod, your regen is insane. I really didn't use it alot myself until i got to higher levels, but when you're around 600K health, and 4-8% regen each second. Good times :D Gets you out of healthgate so fast when you're covering. But i have to say my favorite skill on Gaige is Unstoppable Force. With the Leg Anarchist mod on, she's so fun to mob with. Also showing off the Blockhead.... I love you even more now man. Such an amazing gun on so many characters. One thing i feel she kinda lacks is CC. I usually run with a slag singularity grendae because of that, but that might be my playstyle. Really good job mate. Learned some new stuff
I wish close enough was “while magazines over half full” that way it proc longer and would go along with the “better half theme” I’d be happy for the ordered chaos capstone to be “gain one stack of anarchy per second” and not to lose your stacks on death. That way it would enhance discord by slowing the loss of stacks (same with fight for your life). Would be way more fun to do a discord style play
Gaige's skill tree design is great to make her feel "gadgety". You have to cobble together different things that have big effects on your playstyle, in different ways. The focus in shields also makes sense b.c she's a tinkerer and mechanical maker. So you get this flavor of a nerdy kid just getting into engineering, some questionably radical ideals, and picking different weird stuff for her personality. All wrapped up in a character design with clothes that look like a mix of HotTopic and Goodwill. For me it really works!
Conceptually it's very cool and she is an amazing charming character. The skills just don't come together like they do with others, pretty weak capstones. Reliant on anarchy. Like zer0 can go melee, sniper, hybrid, many playstyle and they are all quite different and effective. Gauge really can't go without anarchy and if you don't like the accuracy loss it's very hard to get into her.
Also Deathtrap, which again is cool, is disjointed. You don't have the synergy of phaselock or even the turrets. Or Jack's Digi Jack's in TPS feel a part of him, you can control targeting on flaks pets in 3. Axton can place and re call his turrets DT just goes out there, does whatever he wants and you hope for the best. You can say that goes with the whole anarchy theme, but in game play it's not great.
I would replace with claws with something like whenever you activate deathtrap you get 100 stacks of anarchy that declines in a similar rate as discord you get the extra 100 stacks even if you are maxed out on anarchy this could also increase the synergy between gaige and deathtrap
Omg thanks for depending wires don't talk, I like Bahroo don't get me wrong but it was shitty of him to place the stereotype about the skill in the community
what you want to try is to not max out unstoppable force and blood soaked shields but get around five levels between them. that way when you kill an enemy you get twenty to forty percent shields and the unstoppable force should regenerate the rest of your shielding. saves on health and still grants you large amounts of shielding
As an aside, Smaller Lighter Faster is useful even if you don't plan on getting Anarchy. It pairs pretty well with Shock and Argh, especially if you're running Tediore weaponry.
Also to consider is that Blood Soaked Shields triggers whether or not your shield's taken damage, which makes it risk with no reward. Not that it's a bad skill, but it's something to consider when you design your loadout.
(Sorry for the constant comments, I'm commenting as I watch.) Explosive Clap is a situational skill. When he's facing only one or two mobs, it's a DPS decrease and nothing else, but it greatly increases his survival when he's surrounded, as he tends to be when drawing all the aggro from melee enemies.
I think Deathtrap in general could be much better if Gaige had more control over him, like Wilhelm with his Surveyors. - You wouldn't be able to recall him still, but you could issue commands. For example, tap the bumper while pointing at an enemy, and he'll attack that enemy until one of them dies. Kinda like the designator skill in Wil's H-K tree. - The active skills would be entirely slaved to Gaige herself, and activated by holding your action button and pressing the D-pad. Clear trash mobs? Left for Explosive Clap. Squirrelly stalker or fleshy boss? Right for the Stare. Big group of tougher mobs? Up for 1 2 Boom. Need shields? Down for Buck Up. Upshot Robot and Robot Rampage could be used indiscriminately by Deathtrap so you don't need more buttons. This would've been a great addition with the recent DLC, but alas. Maybe a mod could do it for PC?
I feel deathtraps biggest problem is lack of synergy. I think Sharing is caring should be a game changer. And her capstone should give deathtrap the ability to revive gaige at the expense of killing deathtrap. and add the ability to recall him.I really think just that alone would fundamentally change deathtrap play style and actually create one where you have to be deliberate with when you use death trap. Completely just fantasizing but to have deathtrap be build similar to wilhem in the TPS, where you are able to have him either be combat or be your support. I love the idea of being able to use him dynamically and be able to control him
Yeah a few changes like that would make a huge difference, recall and ability to target would be huge. But his augments also actually needs to improve him.
I love finding super detailed stuff like this, I just started going through tvhm with my Gaige and I weapon I find really nice with anarchy is the Jakobs Gatlin Gun. It's strange how awesome that thing is. If only there was like a legendary version of the gatlin with shock damage. That would be beautiful
has anyone noticed that occasionally, when you're maxed on blood soaked shields, if you get a kill as DT readies buck up, he'll restore the shield of an enemy if you're playing solo? that makes it so terrible.
He'll perform the animation but not actually recharge the enemy shield. It's a waste of a couple of seconds but if you're relying on DT to kill enemies for you on OP levels then you're missing out on Gaige's own immense DPS.
Hey Derch - nice movie :-) There's an odd synergy/lack of synergy between CUT and TBH (and they appear on the same COMs a lot so they seem deliberately paired together). I'm not sure whether to describe it as working against each other, or covering up for the other's weakness, but if you're getting the best out of one you won't be getting much out the other. Depending on the SLF effect, you may be better off going for non-matching grips on your low mag anarchy builders to keep them to 1 shot before reload. Law & Order is "kind of" usable if you want to melee, and the unlisted accuracy boost on the Law means you can go to 57 anarchy with no accuracy loss (from the wiki - crossing my fingers that's correct!).
Made of Sterner Stuff would be cool if it could cancel out damage under 5%, additionally negating the 5% health lost from Blood Soaked Shields. Also, correct me if I'm wrong (it's been a while) but you can chain Death From Above with Interspersed Outburst to slag an entire group. Great video, very comprehensive analysis.
I think gaige is the best shield character, maybe an amp shield, a bee would be best if but during nvhm and tvhm any shield would do. with blood soaked shields and fancy mathematics, she's pretty unstoppable
For console players if the Reload impulse is really that strong you can empty the clip and allow Gaige to initiate an auto reload. This will not result in the loss of anarchy but can be a pain on weapons with big magazines or expensive ammo.
Would have loved a game changer where you can melee toward a certain enemy making deathtrap attack that enemy that would have given the player more control over him fixing some AI issues and also increasing synergy
There is something i'm wondering but i sadly don't have a Gaige set up to test it atm. I'm curious if Unstoppable force (shield regen after a kill) kick-starts Fancy Mathematics. It would be an interesting synergy if it works like that.
It could of been worth discussing the Sham a little, due to the fact Gaige has extra synergy with it. Gaige as you mentioned is the best Sham fleeter, Gaige has so many shield skills it makes keeping the Sham active and thus always having it's survivabilty available really easy, finally Deathtrap gains extra survivabilty from the Sham.
Hi there, I have been using your video to guide my skill tree building since the forms were shut down. I was wondering if you would do the same thing for the wonderland and/or Borderlands 2 reborn mod.
Nice video, if I may say that she is not that bad of character because I played as her at one point in time, and her skill tree I can max her out entirely and she's good at everything but the first thing I invest in is her orderd chaos and then go from there.
Ok im not saying it's right but I feel it needs to be mentioned. Gaige might not have much control over death trap by design. If you listen to her echos then we find out that death trap killed Marcey without Gaige's intervention and it ultimately made her flee to pandora. Side note, I find that death trap normally goes for badass enemies. I don't know if this is just coincidence but it seems he goes for the biggest threat.
If you spec into the anarchy tree at all, you can't even use the infinity with Gaige- the smaller mag size from her skills drops the infinity to zero. You'd have to use a class mod that boosts magazine size. Very limiting and specific just to use a mediocre weapon that's not good on Gaige.
@@matthewfera2954 ngl. I have no clue why i said that. I dont think i ever used infinity pistol on gaige? Maybe i was trolling back then. Maybe i meant to say a different gun? Either way im really confused about my own comment lol
@@saltyscrublyfe9862 Haha, I feel you. I didn't realize I was replying to a 2 year old comment. The infinity pistol was a hot topic for a long time so you very well might've just been memeing!
Hi Derch, was wondering if you could give a recommended full build for level 72 (or maybe the current level 80) for us to see the synergy between skills and weapons. (Eg, I would consider Maya’s first Cataclysmic skill to be bad since its additive until u explained it was good for healing)
To be fair (and I haven't tested this because I don't play Gaige), you might be able to use Explosive Clap in the same way that Axton uses Nuke in endgame for the knockback and temporary Aggro relief? It's not the best form of crowd control/survival but it might be helpful.
new ordered chaos capstone: anarchy no longer has reduced accuracy or half accuracy per stack. I think that would be a suitable replacement, also keep up with the awesome videos ^^
I think the problem with Buck up is on one hand that Deathtrap sometimes just does it at unpleasant time, on the other hand I think roid shields are just bad design. I mean, yeah people use them but really you sacrifice a lot of survivability for an alternative damage source that isn´t really any more potent than normal gun damage but puts you at a much higher risk. If I was to rework them I would pretty much turn them into a combination of spike shields and amp shields, so every time you melee someone/something you lose a bit of your shield charge and when the shield is down it needs to recharge to full again in order to have the special effect up and working again. This would make for an awesome synergie with buck up and it would also really help Zer0 out because it goes well with grim as you would actually restore shields and keep your melee spree going. Melee Krieg wouldn´t benefit that much from it but melee Krieg can be a bit odd anyways.
Also, the skills seem somewhat spread over the board. I would probably be better if some of the gunskills from BFF were switched over to ordered chaos and that all the melee skills and that one deathtrap skill from ordered chaos was switched over to BFF.
Maybe the poor synergy with Deathtrap is why he only got third in the science-fair? #ShowerThoughts
Turns out Moze didnt score very high with Iron Bear either.
Nah he lost to a ripoff version of himself
@@RazorusR3X777 Thankfully our cute wildlife sidekicks didn't fail us! At least in my case, Rakks and Spiderants made great pets
Ordered Chaos tree: 06:12
Best Friends Forever tree: 26:29
Little big trouble tree: 47:16
Guns: 1:14:06
Shields, grenades, relics: 1:37:42
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Electrical Burn basing the burn damage on the electrocute damage is kind of a small detail but it's actually a really meaningful effect because burn dot's are weaker but last longer, while shock dot's are much bigger but end faster, so you end up getting to really crank fire dot's while getting their longer duration, and then Enchantress & Wires both make them all that much better.
Try abusing shock grenades with Gaige & you'll really see those damage ticks rise up. Electrical Burn + Chain Lightning (which is approved by the man, the myth, the legend himself behind Deputy Sal, Chuck80) is a busted ass combo that makes Shock Gaige fun as hell.
I drink enough to get hungover, but not enough to make bad decisions. I laughed out loud.
+Olivier Morin I always regret not regretting bad choices
Also, Buck Up makes Deathtrap regenerate a Rough Rider to 113 capacity for some reason.
@@Derchlands I think most youtubers would regret making a 110 minute video XD.
@@Vincrand oddly these are my most successful videos
@@Derchlands Well I'm now watching yout maya guide. I do prefer your guides since they don't skip anything.
Randomly found your channel but maybe because of the BL3 hype 🤷🏻♂️ but wanted to say very well done with your in-depth analysis. Agreed her skill trees are quite unbalanced and some skills would be better off in other trees but with that being said she is still so damn fun. Been playing her since day one and it wasn’t until your video that I really started mix matching and not caring about cap stones (I always felt like I needed one just cause it’s the cap). I don’t agree with everything you said about usefulness of skills but you also gave a lot to consider with others. Look forward to seeing your work in BL3 good luck!
CrtKazz J what do you play on?
While this video was very informative and I did love how in-depth you went with every single skill, it was far more entertaining hearing you try to keep it together with the hangover.
Nth degree isn't diminishing returns. It's exponential returns, it's just that the first point provides the most benefit. If you could boost it past 5 it would be god tier.
Yes, it is exponential, yes, the first point gives the most benefit, and yes, it would do tremendous damage below 5th. However, the return on your first skill point (11.1%) is greater than the return on the next four combined (8.9%). That's why people say "diminishing returns."
1000 shots (baseline) = 1000 hits
1000 shots (+9th) = 1111 hits
1000 shots (+8th) = 1125 hits
1000 shots (+7th) = 1143 hits
1000 shots (+6th) = 1167 hits
1000 shots (+5th) = 1200 hits
0 skill pts = 100% dmg
1st skill pt = +11.1% marginal dmg
2nd skill pt = +1.4% marginal dmg
3rd skill pt = +1.8% marginal dmg
4th skill pt = +2.4% marginal dmg
5th skill pt = +3.3% marginal dmg
Because I closed the annotations and got fucked over. I'll post these timestamps for the benefits of myself and others.
6:10 Ordered Chaos
26:29 BFFs
47:16 Little Big Trouble
1:14:05 Guns
1:37:40 Shields, Grenades, relics
I think a great capstone for anarchy would be to reduce the rate of decay, remove it from ffyl, and/or keep them from one life to the next.
1 life to the next would be the best capstone......
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Melee capstone on a gun damage tree is just so stupid. It should been like a skill where you always start with 100 anarchy or something like that. would have been really good.
I am new to BL2 and I play as Gaige. I started out as support for my husband who plays as Axton. Now I play solo currently with the same Gaige at the tail end of TVHM, and I am just getting slain. I appreciate this video for the indepth discussion of the builds. I hope it fixes her up because I don't want to rely on legendaries I don't have to end TVHM and enter UVHM.
For anyone referencing these amazing videos to this day, Made of Sterner Stuff is a for sure One Point Wonder, as it has a hidden effect of decreasing all Fire DOTs by 50%.
Applying some anarchy buffs to deathtrap would have been a good capstone
Vice Versa would have GREAT for game changers as well. Hell same for Gaige getting SOMETHING for 2 of her CAPSTONES! Lol.
Skills
0:01:55 Action Skill
0:02:27 Deathtrap
0:06:11 Ordered Chaos tree
0:06:43 Tier 1 - Anarchy
0:08:15 Tier 1 - Smaller, Lighter, Faster
0:08:57 Tier 2 - Preshrunk Cyberpunk
0:09:36 Tier 2 - Robot Rampage
0:10:29 Tier 2 - Blood Soaked Shields
0:11:43 Tier 3 - Annoyed Android
0:12:22 Tier 3 - Discord
0:14:24 Tier 3 - Typecast Iconoclast
0:15:47 Tier 4 - Rational Anarchist
0:16:32 Tier 4 - Death from Above
0:19:33 Tier 5 - The Nth Degree
0:22:23 Tier 6 - With Claws
0:26:28 Best Friends Forever tree
0:26:31 Tier 1 - Close Enough
0:28:29 Tier 1 - Cooking Up Trouble
0:29:31 Tier 2 - The Better Half
0:30:55 Tier 2 - Buck Up
0:33:05 Tier 2 - Fancy Mathematics
0:34:28 Tier 3 - Potent as a Pony
0:35:20 Tier 3 - Upshot Robot
0:36:31 Tier 3 - Unstoppable Force
0:37:49 Tier 4 - Explosive Clap
0:39:25 Tier 4 - Made of Sterner Stuff
0:40:11 Tier 5 - 20% Cooler
0:41:05 Tier 6 - Sharing is Caring
0:46:47 Little Big Trouble tree
0:47:13 Tier 1 - More Pep
0:47:52 Tier 1 - Myelin
0:48:39 Tier 2 - Shock Storm
0:50:17 Tier 2 - The Stare
0:50:53 Tier 2 - Strength of Five Gorillas
0:52:19 Tier 3 - Electrical Burn
0:53:23 Tier 3 - Evil Enchantress
0:53:57 Tier 3 - Shock and "AAAGGGGHHH!"
0:55:36 Tier 4 - One Two Boom
0:57:44 Tier 4 - Wires Don't Talk
1:04:36 Tier 5 - Interspersed Outburst
1:08:01 Tier 6 - Make It Sparkle
There are a couple of things, mostly about Deathtrap, that I think are worth adding.
Firstly, and you actually experience this in the video but aren't sure why: you can control Deathtrap, to a point. When you summon him, if an enemy is in your crosshairs, this communicates to him to go attack that enemy. When you're talking about grenades, this is why he attacked the target dummy that time, but not earlier. This can be used on very distant enemies to tell him to cross a lot of ground to hassle enemies who aren't even aware of you. When I first got into UVHM and was struggling, this really helped me a lot because it meant Deathtrap played distraction at a much greater distance giving me more time to just...not die.
Second, just a bit of additional info about Buck Up since I have used it a lot as I almost exclusively play solo: it doesn't actually do what it says. Since it claims to restore "100% of a shield" but it's actually just a ton of shield restoration that seems independent of the shield it's being applied to, meaning it can be much much more than the shield's capacity, or even not full capacity. Like, on a Bee, he gives your shield enough juice to restore it many times over, and he can. The shield restoration beam he fires on you is a constant effect for its duration, and so if your shield was restored to full, but then is damaged again before the beam expires, it is restored again, allowing the use of the Bee's amp damage even under fire briefly. But on the other hand, if using something like a Hoplite, it won't actually fully restore it. I think it only gets me around +600k in shields or so from Buck Up. Well, at level 72 anyway.
Make It Sparkle, from what I understand, can never reduce Deathtrap's damage. I don't know the exact value though I recall it being high, but basically when you shoot him with an element, it adds _additional_ damage of that element to his melee attacks, a substantial amount, not actually converting his existing damage. I think it may be like 2x as much as base. I never used it much because I found it difficult to manage with high anarchy and I for a long time didn't have a great corrosive gun for regular fighting so I'd switch to a crappy one just to give him corrosive vs. loaders, then switch to a shock gun for my damage but then accidentally hit him and just bleh. But I do recall it having a very noticeable, substantial increase in damage, even when elements weren't matched to weaknesses.
As for shields, while I understand not covering it what with everything being OP8, for those who don't go into OP levels like me (and I know some others since the times I have coop'd I saw a fair few hanging back at 72), Hoplite is a really amazing shield on Gaige that I very highly recommend if you don't plan to go into OP levels where it breaks. The speed penalty isn't debilitating if you're the only one with it on, the shield capacity for me after bonuses is around 2.8 million and it, coupled with blood-soaked shields lets you just be such an amazing tank when mobbing (and even raid bosses generally can't break it in one, maybe even two hits especially if Deathtrap uses Buck Up between those hits, which is mighty awesome). And since it's a turtle shield, it makes keeping above health-gate with a Hail extremely easy too. The one problem though is you can't summon Deathtrap if you have Sharing Is Caring with this shield on, because it'll cause a glitch with the health reduction that depletes yours. >_>
I've got Gaige up to OP7 and I didn't know about controlling him with the cross hairs! I agree about the Hoplite, but I found it viable up to OP5ish - if you get an OP1 or a perfect parts OP2 you can have 3,000 health and more than 3.5 million shield.
Viper Bags thabk you for this very insightful comment. It helped me out a lot. This DT shield thing helped me stay alive much longer than I should have. Keep up the good work. :)
Also, Hoplite is maybe the most underrated shield for Gaige.
I know im late but buck up does fully restore your shield but its set since the beginning so when he starts he will heal lets say 1k for your shield but if you get hurt it subtracts it from your shield making it seem like he didnt fully restore your shield
Viper Bags Dude, awesome comment. Thanks for this. I have made it to 72 with Gaige and literally had no idea that spawning DT with an enemy in crosshairs would make DT attack that enemy first. Pretty amazing and helpful info.
You called out bahroo, for this you deserve a sub and a pat on the back
Agreed
He's always called out others in the community for their bs. Imo, Derch was the best content creator in the Borderlands community and I'm glad his content is still getting views.
@@atlys258 True, but even he would get on some bulls*** as well. Especially when the UCP for BL2 first came out. He further does so even in THIS video.
What did he call out bahroo for?
@@seththenightgamer6206 wires dont talk. Bahroo made a video saying its bad, and used vacuum based data to prove his point, and didnt factor in any outside factors
Buck up is great for glitching her shield to get it to always regenerate
Agree with a lot of things. Death from Above really is the skill that wasn't, it could have been awesome. You can use it with an Airborne Anarchist COM and forego Discord, that way you'll get 11/5 of ranked damage and cycle 25 and 0 stacks, building them again with Rational Anarchist while slagging the next victims. Niche build, but it works fine on OP8. That doesn't change the fact that it's a wasted opportunity.
I like the capstones better than you do, especially since With Claws can make Gaige a melee powerhouse (I'm sure you've seen her kill Hype with melee only for instance). The anarchy cost is negligible since you'll be slagging and Grog-tanking a lot like any other melee character.
Swapping shields - I dunno, I don't notice doing it anymore, it's such a habit. I can see why it bothers people, but they probably didn't design it with the FotFH or Hide in mind. That's a bit of min/maxing which turned out too fun not to do.
MiS can do some real work, and although I'll grant you that the occasional hit with the wrong element can be wasted DT is very likely to catch the correct one soon enough.
Not the best capstones in the game by any stretch of the imagination, but it does tie into the problems of her design overall. It seems like so many ideas had to be tied into some sort of cohesive whole that they just lost their way. Skill placement and design could certainly be improved in several ways.
Other things had to be scaled for balance across all game modes - Shock Storm is an example. If the range and damage were better, SS+DT with Upshot Robot would simply leave Gaige in the dust. (Literally, given how fast he is.)
As for the 'disjointed' action skill - yeah, apart from the stellar Upshot Robot there's a lot to that, although it's worth keeping in mind that Evil Enchantress and Unstoppable Force will proc on a DT kill.
Safe to say they've learned more with Jack and Wilhelm. On the other hand, Wolf, Saint and Jack's clones feel seriously dull in comparison. Since they wanted DT to have a great deal of autonomy, sacrifices had to be made.
Maybe a robot with a mind of his own (derps included) might be the perfect companion for an anarchist.
One could argue that it makes Gaige a more 'true' pet character than any of the others. (Axton might disagree, but then his relationship to his turret would give a psychologist nightmares.)
You probably didn't want a wall of text in your current state, but that's the price you pay ;)
Derch, you always make me want to go back and play more Borderlands when I see these videos. Probably why I have 900+ hours in the series. Problem is that I don't have internet where I keep my desktop.
+Grinthex good go play more
Cooking up trouble is one of her greatest survival and healing skills, 4.4% when boosted and it was enough for me to beat UVHM with no moxxi weapons in UVHM. 1Life of course.
And regarding her capstone in her anarchy tree, I think it's great that they added an option to convert your stacks into some melee usage, it actually makes melee Gaige amazing especially with roid shields and all, I've tested it and it did great.
I agree on CuT, people that skip this because of the low number don't really understand the game fully.
This. In a healthgate-abuse setup she doesn't even need Moxxi weapons when raiding.
Cooking up Trouble is insta 5/5 for me in every build. Like Chuck said "ppl that skip it, don't understand the game".
And it's funny because i was playing with my gf last night and telling her that everyone always craps on With Claws. And i told her i've come to the conclusion that these ppl must just play the game really slow and timid. You know the ones afraid to get close to enemies... Even if you aren't going to use a dedicated melee build, a couple slashes when you're at very low health gets you past health gate. Also fun to finish off slagged enemies in style even without roid damage. Maybe it's not great for a capstone skill, but it's nowhere near a terrible skill.
Cooking Up Trouble is great. Axton has a very similar skill and it's good for the same reason. You always go into every fight at full health and you'll heal up to full in between combat zones.
Unboosted the skill can take up to 50 seconds to heal you and theres plenty cases where you dont have that much time between combat zones. It does not 100% guarantee you will go into combat with full health unless you specifically wait for it, at which point you might as well go buy some health at a vendor. Also instead of spending points on this skill you can just open a few crates in between combat zones. There's plenty crates in bl and they give you plenty healing kits.
Outside of health gating, which lets be real is hardly necessary, i cannot see how this skill is useful at all.
Let's not forget the funny glitch that makes deathtrap restore any boss with shields to full cause that is a fun glitch that isn't a issue at all you just spent ten years trying to get master gee's shield down only for deathtrap to say haha yea do it again
thanks, i've been desperately trying to find a fun way to play gaige and you gave me more options
Regarding Deathtrap and aggro relieve on raids, it kinda depends on what you're doing. DT can really mess with the AI and make the fight take longer. If I want to kill the boss as quickly as possible I actually purposely don't summon DT. Terra, the Dragons and especially Gee are good examples. If DT is too close to Terra he'll start punching the ground until DT dies, which means you can't get upclose to Terra or you will die, and since you want to be close to him with Gaige, because of accuracy this can be a bad thing. For the dragons it can be annoying when DT causes the wrong dragon to land (and potentially make him unslaggable with a DoT). And for Gee you never want to summon DT, because once Gee melees him he'll stop moving and shoot his rocket launcher for a certain period of time, preventing you from letting him walk over acid pools (you can still use SIngularities I believe, but they're gonna run out sooner or later). On the other hand DT is nice for some other raids like Craw or Pete. Don't remember what he does to Voracidous or Hyperius, so he might be good there as well.
And about melee on Gaige, while it is very niche it is extremely fun and viable on OP8 if you pre-stack (ofc not in raiding range, but most builds aren't). Between With Claws, Upshot Robot and her melee COMs (and also Strength of Five Gorillas, which is a minor boost) you can actually get a good amount of damage. With Claws actually increases her melee speed, which is another DPS boost. And together with all of DTs melee stuff you really get the synergy between Gaige and him you were looking for. And she does actually do a decent job taking hits to her health. WC gives you health on melee attacks, Cooking Up Trouble and Discord can work together, then there's Potent as a Pony and Made of Sterner Stuff and she has DT to take aggro relieve and deal a ton of damage as well. The 3 biggest problems Melee Gaige has are knockback, her shield skills and her dependence on stacks. Krieg is heavier than other characters so he can ignore knockback for the most part and Zer0 is rarely getting melee'd anyway because he is invisible. Gaige on the other hand has a hard time staying near enemies until they're dead and to also heal off of. Then there are all of her shield skills which won't work with roid shields. So you lose a ton of her abilities, but on the other hand it gives you free points to spent on other stuff. And finally she depends on having a lot of Anarchy stacks and while Upshot Robot isn't always needed with 400 stacks of Anarchy it can be a massive help but is very inconsistant. Overall it's no build you're going to solo the Peak with very quickly, but it's a ton of fun and has a lot more thought and synergy behind it than you might think. I'd defenitely say Gaige is the 3rd best melee class after Zer0 and Krieg. I think making Gaige semi-melee is a good thing, because it allows for more variety and doesn't leave you with only two classes that can purely focus on melee. I actually consider this good game design, just not executed in the best way.
Regarding Close Enough it actually does reduce the damage of the Fibber and other ricochet weapons like the Stalker if it procs (the only exception is the Madhouse I believe, since it spawns 2 new projectiles). The damage reduction of the Fibber is just very small because it only reduces the listed bullets. On the Stalker however it can reduce the damage on every bounce assuming CE procs on every bounce, leaving you with extremely small damage numbers.
Also Explosive Clap's damage is actually pretty small. It's less than Axton's Nuke (which does actually make sense since it's not a capstone, but it's still too low) and you can't control the explosion to knock back enemies when you want (and as you said it keeps DT from meleeing them). I still use it sometimes, but it's pretty meh.
I also wouldn't compare Sharing is Caring to Jack's skill. I actually believe such a skill is better as a capstone than a gamechanger, because it can be so powerful.
Also THANK YOU for explaining why WDT is a good skill and perfectly fine in the state it is.
Also the orb of the Thunderball Fists deals is 150% damage, not 250%. ^^ I also wouldn't recommend the Seeker on Gaige. The firerate is just too low and the damage is only decent with high Anarchy stacks. The KerBlaster is just so much better, because it's not that difficult to just walk up to enemies. The Seeker also deals pure launcher splash, it doesn't have any extra damage. The Kitten is also pretty much just an inferior Hail and it becomes almost unusable with high Anarchy stacks. Also it should be noted that the Pitchfork's unlisted projectiles (just like the Harold's) don't get Close Enough.
Agree with you on the Dragons and Gee, but against Terra he can be a great asset if you time it right. He can tank the ground pound on OP8 if you give him a shield, and if you release him at the right time and distance he'll draw aggro at medium and long range - leaving you free to get in close and lay waste. Coincidentally, releasing him when you've been flicked into the air can have him hover there for quite some time, drawing all aggro from you.
Against Vorac he usually dies in three seconds if either of them decide to go melee. That's one of the times when the beam laser derp is actually something you want.
Against Hype he acts as you'd expect, although he's almost guaranteed to get in close during the enrage phase, making that part trivial. Just be careful he doesn't catch any reflected bullets during the shield phases or you'll kill him :/
Agree on melee Gaige, although I might rate melee Sal a bit higher. Best thing about Gaige is that she can recharge her roid and have it knocked down by the time she closes distance with an enemy, so she doesn't really need to strip her shield often. Its nice for QoL.
I'm with you on the Kitten, but the Seeker has a definite use for me - Peak slag turrets. Those little "annoyances" are often stuck high up and very difficult to bounce a shot at. Once everything else is dead you can hide behind a rock and take them out pretty safely with the Seeker.
I've been reading this thread for the past year now. I stop by once every couple months and kill a few minutes. It's like reading a novel. By the time I finish, I won't even remember where it started.
What Gaige player does not take Cooking Up Trouble? This is one of her better skills, Derch. Combined with Blood Soaked Shields, you always have full shields and health with these 2 skills. If you have high anarchy stacks, you kill things faster, then your shield is full more often, your magazine is full more often, and it is just a feedback loop. This is a fantastic skill.
Something about buck up - it sometimes (seems to happen more often with constructors) makes deathtrap restore enemy shields... It is one of the stupidest bugs 😅
The nth degree is literally the opposite of diminishing returns, it happens more often the more points you put in. You gave the example of a shotgun with 20 pellets, with one point every ninth pellet that hit would chain. Resulting in two extra hits. With five points every fifth pellet would chain, or four of the initial twenty. and if you're using an smg or ar, and you also count each chain as an additional hit. So let's say we have an smg with 25 mag, the fifth bullet reflects and procs one point for the next rebound, so now the ninth bullet you fire (four past the fifth) will rebound then the 13th, 17th, 21st, and 25th. So you get six rebounds in a mag of twenty five, even though just by the numbers you'd get 5.
Buck up is absolutely fantastic for speedruns, and more importantly, it's good for every situation other than the three you named, and one's a glitch. the hundreds of situations it's good in is far more important than the few it's bad in. "You're usually going to be using blood soaked shields." No, that's an awful skill in my opinion. unstoppable force is much better. Explosive clap hits multiple enemies for a lot and even in ult can kill alot of mobs outright, especially if you're slagging. 'Sharing is caring is bad because Timothy is the most overloaded character ever.' Meanwhile compliments jack on having synergy between his trees but Gaige is a badly designed character for the same thing.
Close enough aims for crits rather than center of mass so you get shock storms quite often and with enough shock damage boosts it will kill enemies, plus it's boosted by coms. the only problem I've ever had with the stare is that it can glitch it you have it and buck up and dt can kill you instead. One two boom is actually really good so long as you pay attention, that thing you usually appreciate (Spirit bomb joke is inaccurate and unfunny). Overall a fair video, just some of your points are inaccurate or very biased opinion wise. Which is fine, i just disagree.
For sharing is caring, If gearbox wanted to improve the quality of life of it (aka not doing the double switch) they should have put down your favorited shield (the star next to loot) will be the one that deathtrap equips over your own. If you have multiple of these shields, he will choose 1 at random. Would have probably been the best way for it. Sure you got to take up a backpack slot but that is relatively minor considering we have a big backpack and we don't have to deal with the whole shield recharge from switching it. Plus it would allow for a mostly useless mechanic to have gameplay purpose.
Great video and wish you could give me some of your background tracks names they are so good!
You have inspired me to try and do your breakdown style of ideas and gameplay mechanics (though not good slowly improving) so massive thanks! Hope things are going well for you!
Anarchy build is good but i always loved tesla gaige stacking electricity and using that electric slag smg its a great dps skill really fun.
Gaige with community patch is so good. Between Nth degree, and the now only 1 ammo per shot pitchfork, she can wreck loaders, and the bunker is childs play, done in 3 bursts. Even at 150 stacks the pitchfork's pattern stays true. That plus a prodigy comm to counteract some of the accuracy issues, bad touch and shotguns with fixed spread (like twister or triquetra) seem to do pretty well. The triquetra does suffer at higher stack counts but with gaige and shotguns you're also inches away from enemies all the time. Also, the patch changed with claws to add swap speed, which makes gaige so much better at getting slag out and switching back to your damage gun.
I think that all her shield skills compensate for the fact that you have to wear the same one as deathtrap, maybe thats why she got so many?
Now that I think about it as you go through these trees it Dawns on me that they probably randomized where they put different skills amongst the three skill trees to mirror the idea of Anarchy. It seems pretty clear that some of the melee skills that should be associated with death trap are put in the other skill trees to impose a sort of Randomness to the process.Thr same with skills related to reloading and kills that would have a direct impact on Anarchy stacking being spread out across all three trees.
another two things that are great with discord is, the massive accuracy buff. you can be at 400 stacks of anarchy and a few buzzards come around, and you might be semi screwed, spending clips trying to hit them. had a side mission in the dlc where the entire area was buzzards. activated discord, had a nice time able to actually hit them, only lost around 100 stacks by the end of the mission. on top of that, before you have ways to get health back easily, which i kinda like with claws for, a lot of enemies try to get close, enough to use them for hp occasionally, kinda like the orphan maker + captain blade's otto idol for hp/kill
Also a comment on wires don't talk: they seem to forget that many of the best grenades in the game come only in shock damage. So if you combine this with 30% of a Bone it actually goes to a more solid 45% more shock damage with EVERYTHING, grenades, guns, reload, electric storm, status effect, and furthermore when slagged because of the multiplicative. So yeah, it's actually not bad at all it's just not op but it does seem solid if you ask me.
Huuuuge Guide, really got me fixed about what gear I should look for cause I was kinda lost lately..
Thanks a ton!
I would say anarchy is her actual capstone in ordered chaos and they thought adding something else would make ordered chaos over powered but I agree it shouldn't have been a melee override. It's just anarchy has to be one of the first skills or the skill tree wouldn't work if anarchy was at the bottom. I would have preferred ordered chaos capstone to be something that improves accuracy and allows deathtrap kills to add anarchy stacks.
wow I'm extremely early so great vids derch I love how much you know about the game and how you're always helping new players
I've been waiting so long for this! Thanks Derch :-)
+Dr. Gonzo thanks for waiting
Hello fellow Vault Hunters!,
It's amazing to see people still having discussions and innovating a game that's almost 6 years old. The UCP has been a massive breath of new life into a an "older game" and has reshaped the way a lot of us play this game. A very special thanks to Shadowevil and the other players that have been working tirelessly on the UPC. You guys are the true champions of the Borderlands. While a lot of the changes have been welcome I purpose a little shift in perspective when altering loot and characters, especially when it comes to character skills. Most of us especially the more seasoned players have been playing end-game for a very, very long time. This can alter the way we view different characters and abilities, which can impact the way they are fixed. So I purpose a challenge for our season players.
I call it the Throwback Challenge
Here are the rules
Play UVHM (No OP levels)...yet
Build your character without using the last 22 points you get from the additional level packs
Use only Generation 1 class mods i.e (legendary Siren, Berserker, Soldier.. ect)
No Pearl weapons i.e (Bekah, Godfinger, Sawbar...ect)
No E-tech Relics i.e (Bone of the Ancients, Skin of the Ancients..ect)
No Tiny Tina DLC loot i.e (Chain Lighting, Grogg Nozzle, Antagonist, Class Mods... ect)
No OP gear... yet
If this challenge already exists someone please point in the that direction. If not and if you post content to RUclips or Twitch please share this challenge us and your thoughts.
#ThrowbackChallenge
#NoMoreIvoryTowers
15:30 This video didn't age well, after they added Battle for the sanctuary DLC, they increased characters level cap to 80 so now you DO have spare points 😅
I think With Claws is a really cool capstone but I feel like its numbers are just too weak. You only get +0.6% melee per stack where your gun damage is +1.75% per stack so it's better to just use guns 100% of the time. They should've boosted it to a ridiculous degree that outshines the gun damage so it matches the high risk/high reward for the rest of the tree. Sure she's frail but if she doesn't die before she gets to you, you're as good as dead.
*excitement increases*
+Rafael Marcom sorry, not sorry for the semi ;)
shock is probably my favorite element because its useful on practically everything-sure its not AS powerful as matching the element to the enemy but its still very helpful so you dont need to swap guns constantly
Shock is actually the worst element. Many enemies don't have shields and if they do have one its usually really weak
@@grandduelslover3055 Fire: weak on armor
Corrosion: weak on flesh
Shock: weak on neither
Also Shock Tesla's are the best.
Also, Close Enough has at least one situation where its bad. If you are using the Storm, the bullet will explode on contact with the ground, but if it procs, the splash damage will be reduced by 50%, since you need high amounts of anarchy to make Storm work, you will actually miss most of the shots, so its better not to spec on Close Enough if you are using it
The Orc is one of my favorites on her.
Made of sterner stuff has hidden fire resistance 50% at one point and capping a 66% with 5 out of 5 so it's worth one point at least
Bro, you just made this perk so much more interesting.
60 some percent fire res, the shock res from her other perk, and a corrosive immune shield could make her a super tank.
Thank you for the heads up,, I'm definitely gonna move some perks around based on this info :)
Curious about the lack of mention on the Bee. I shred wit a Bee and Fibber
Because the Bee is pretty trash for mobbing and on Gaige you should be using high capacity shields. Anarchy gives you more damage than you would ever need.
@@HenryMyth Nailed it. Also, the Bee is sort of an implied "get this and melt everything with it" item, it barely needs to be mentioned for any character since it's often a go to item for people. I think Axton is the only character who can utilize it well enough comparatively to mention, and I personally don't even like it on him much.
no dislikes. Im inpressed.
I got an idea for the anarchy capstone, which says "Your anarchy stacks are now saved", that means you get 400 anarchy and then save&quit and come back later, but you still loose everything after you die.
+thetuerkgamer Girgin yeah I'm kinda surprised on that one
Maybe for capstone to anarchy would be every reload gives a random stat bonus for that magazine?
Damage, fire rate, reload speed, magazine size, more elemental damage?
Then put claws further up in the tree
I''ve been playing around more with Gaige lately, this time with a shock build. Myelin is quite nice. UVHM dots are very scary and the scariest dots are shock dots imo. Enemies with shock weapons are super dangerous. For a tier 1, this skill gives you bigger shields and shock resistance. The two enemy types I hate most are Scavengers with shock guns and Ultimate Badass Pyre Threshers, and this skill helps a lot with the first group. Myelin also builds nicely off of Gaige's other skills, like Blood Soaked Shields and Fancy Mathematics, and makes her an ideal character for high capacity shields.
Make it Sparkle is good too. It's free DPS on Deathtrap. You're only going to reach that capstone on a shock build, so accidentally giving DT the "wrong" element isn't going to happen. On a shock build, you'll be firing either slag or shock rounds and both elements are pretty neutral in this game. I don't know if DT can slag enemies for you if you slag him first, but I don't see why not. I know his attacks can set off the chain of shock+fire dots if you electrify him. I was doing the Hammerlock DLC lately with a Wired Zapper Gaige and DT does insane damage when you electrify him. All those Badass Savages and Witch Doctors get melted. Plus, DT naturally hangs out in the middle of a bunch of bad guys, so hitting him takes no special effort on your part.
Make it Sparkle is really well-thought out imo. Gaige has all these skills to increase her shock damage, but her action skill has nothing to do with shock damage. This is a way to greatly improve DT and give you more synergy between him and Gaige. Unlike a lot of DT's damage skills in Gaige's trees, you get all that extra damage + more shock dots and fire dots with very minimal skill point investment.
I don't know for sure if the damage bonus on DT is multiplicative or not, but it's elemental so it should be.
For BFF tree explosive clap should go away, the shield sharing capstone should replace Buck Up, and the capstone for BFF should be a Singularity that procs centered on Deathtrap which pulls enemies into him.
I dig the singularity idea. Deathtrap pulls them in, and then uses his flurry of claws and kills them.
i feel like the one thing that would have solved everyones deathtrap issues is if you could assign a button to have him go and attack a specific enemy, you cant make him go away after you summon him right? why not make it so pressing the action skill button while aiming at an enemy after you summon him makes him go and attack that specific enemy, for the most part you can leave him to do his own thing, but if you need him to attack someone specifically you could order him to
edit: also, when you get buck up it should make it so you can press the action skill button on an ally to restore their shields, he still restores yours at random (not the best, but you cant exactly press the action skill button on yourself) but you need to order him to restore other players, so that way he wont randomly try and restore a rough rider or someone whos using a melee shield
The buckup skill is kind of cool for people that know how 2 turn any amp shield into a bee shield
Gaige is AMAZING with 600 stacks of Anarchy using the Elephant Gun WITHOUT any skill points in the Close Enough skill
Jonah Brown why an elephant gun, because of high damage?
j ciarkowski It was a joke, lol. I said Elephant gun because it's the slowest firing weapon in the game, and with 600 stacks of anarchy, you will NEVER hit a target. It is nearly impossible
Jonah Brown I figured, I honestly didn't get that cause I've been playing new vegas for like 2 weeks and I'm a Zer0 main and I barely play gaige
j ciarkowski I barely play gaige too... She's just SOOO fucking boring to play....
Jonah Brown I mean she's kinda fun but I honestly think there isn't many ways to play her, like as of builds
Maybe a good skill or a built-in ability for Gaige would be something like this:
Name: Enemy de la Revolucion
Description: When Gaige hits an Enemy with a melee attack, the Enemy is marked. Then, Deathtrap will ignore all other enemies and attack only the marked target with a bônus melee damage based on How much anarchy stacks she has.
This would be a great skill for ordered chaos.
Will u ever do these for borderlands 3???
I think that nothing can top the "shitiness" of Bloodwing's synergy with a Hunter.Without any boosts,this action skill is beyond worthless even on early levels and specing on skills that cause daze and health regen AFTER THE RECALL don't work with a high crit/one shot,one kill character.The fact that you have to stare at enemy and that the damage is never impressive always bugged me to the point I couldn't finish my gameplay with Mordy.Deathtrap at least can do some damage so i wouldn't call him the worst action skill.Also Hi Derch,good to see you back
Agreed, Bloodwing is absolutely the worst action skill in all the games. Dazing is all he's good for but given he doesn't attack enemes you aren't looking at (leaving you open to attack) on a class that is squishier than Zer0 and has to kill people immediately. Doesn't help he takes forever to do it, and glitches up worse than Subsequence means he isn't even very good at that. And it absolutely pales compared to Lillith's and Brick's methods of Dazing.
Deathtrap was a step forward from Bloodwing, and Wilhelm a few steps forwards from that.
Pretty much, a "Pet" skill should always relieve agro from the player while he/she is doing something else ala reloading while in cover. Bloodwing is such a terribly designed action skill.
Bloodwing--the only action skill bad enough to get killed
In all seriousness, the ranger mod giving a 1 second cooldown on a 9-chain bloodwing was really quite effective. Bloodwing was only odd on Mordecai in the way that Buzz-Axe Rampage is odd in about 50% of Kreig builds.
amusingly, when i started borderlands, i was playing a brick, because in my head, i sucked at FPS games, could use a melee action skill to cover my ass (should've gone lilith or roland).
my friend, loved mordecai, because "i can use him to get extra loot" recently, played BL1 on the ps4, tried mordecai for that reason, god bloodwing sucks. i mean, once you get it going it might be alright, but even then, prefer lilith or roland.
Yes Derch. Love you man!
+Connor Jenkins I love you guys
One Two Boom would be viable if it has a faster charging animation and the orb behaves like the BFG projectile from Doom 2016. E.g., orb moves faster in air, generating electrical arcs dealing DoTs on nearby enemies, causing a massive splash damage to enemies on impact and capable to stun tough enemies like Badasses for a few seconds from a direct hit. Which I think it would work as a capstone skill for LBT skill tree.
Plus I also think DT should gain the bonuses from Unstoppable Force, mostly for the mobility boost.
One thing with Gaige is that if you go down the anarchy tree, you can't use the infinity. Unless you get a class mod from Tiny Tina, which can increase mag size back over 1
+derch For my Gaige build I remapp my controls and remove reload. A better capstone for Ordered Chaos would be an Anarchy Slot Machine where you either get a bunch of stacks or a random elemental "boomtime!" nova. call it One-,Armed Bandalera
You misspelled chaos in the annotation. Glad to see this series is back!
+Dr. Dapper thanks I'll fix it, in my defense I made those at almost 4am after I got home from the bars
Oh, and you wrote Oz kits instead of relics
i always start with the middle tree then will head for the anarchy cause while i know with the leevl cap we can now have extra keystone skills i'll be able to have a better chance at killing stuff lol x3
Derch. You spoil me so much. Gonna go grab a beer and really enjoy this.
Gaige is my main squeeze.
+Wrarrl it's almost 2 hours and a beer should last no more than 10 mins, so you need 12 beers
If you knew the alchohol prices in Norway you would know why i said one :P
I honestly don't know why people skip CuT. Combine it with Discord-toggling, and the right mod, your regen is insane. I really didn't use it alot myself until i got to higher levels, but when you're around 600K health, and 4-8% regen each second. Good times :D Gets you out of healthgate so fast when you're covering.
But i have to say my favorite skill on Gaige is Unstoppable Force. With the Leg Anarchist mod on, she's so fun to mob with.
Also showing off the Blockhead.... I love you even more now man. Such an amazing gun on so many characters. One thing i feel she kinda lacks is CC. I usually run with a slag singularity grendae because of that, but that might be my playstyle.
Really good job mate. Learned some new stuff
I wish close enough was “while magazines over half full” that way it proc longer and would go along with the “better half theme”
I’d be happy for the ordered chaos capstone to be “gain one stack of anarchy per second” and not to lose your stacks on death.
That way it would enhance discord by slowing the loss of stacks (same with fight for your life). Would be way more fun to do a discord style play
this is literally the first time I've ever heard of the Lascaux! time to go a farming.
Gaige's skill tree design is great to make her feel "gadgety". You have to cobble together different things that have big effects on your playstyle, in different ways. The focus in shields also makes sense b.c she's a tinkerer and mechanical maker. So you get this flavor of a nerdy kid just getting into engineering, some questionably radical ideals, and picking different weird stuff for her personality. All wrapped up in a character design with clothes that look like a mix of HotTopic and Goodwill. For me it really works!
Conceptually it's very cool and she is an amazing charming character. The skills just don't come together like they do with others, pretty weak capstones. Reliant on anarchy.
Like zer0 can go melee, sniper, hybrid, many playstyle and they are all quite different and effective.
Gauge really can't go without anarchy and if you don't like the accuracy loss it's very hard to get into her.
Also Deathtrap, which again is cool, is disjointed. You don't have the synergy of phaselock or even the turrets. Or Jack's Digi Jack's in TPS feel a part of him, you can control targeting on flaks pets in 3. Axton can place and re call his turrets
DT just goes out there, does whatever he wants and you hope for the best. You can say that goes with the whole anarchy theme, but in game play it's not great.
I would replace with claws with something like whenever you activate deathtrap you get 100 stacks of anarchy that declines in a similar rate as discord you get the extra 100 stacks even if you are maxed out on anarchy this could also increase the synergy between gaige and deathtrap
While I like the idea, I think the max amount of Anarchy stacks should be reduced by something like 50 if that was the case.
Omg thanks for depending wires don't talk, I like Bahroo don't get me wrong but it was shitty of him to place the stereotype about the skill in the community
It's not the only one, sadly.
Crying Seal ikr barhoo sucks at this game
People can no have an opinion bro
what you want to try is to not max out unstoppable force and blood soaked shields but get around five levels between them.
that way when you kill an enemy you get twenty to forty percent shields and the unstoppable force should regenerate the rest of your shielding.
saves on health and still grants you large amounts of shielding
Do you plan to do the Claptrap one with someone else or solo?
+Dｅmｏnｉtｅ not sure
Derch I think demonite knows a lot about claptrap
Ask Exotek :)
+j ciarkowski I would be up for it, but as Chuck said Exotek knows a lot about him as well.
Well, if you are up for it Demonite, that's just as well :)
been waiting for it !! oh yeah!!!
What skill dose the pink cloud and skulls appear?
Discord
As an aside, Smaller Lighter Faster is useful even if you don't plan on getting Anarchy. It pairs pretty well with Shock and Argh, especially if you're running Tediore weaponry.
Also to consider is that Blood Soaked Shields triggers whether or not your shield's taken damage, which makes it risk with no reward. Not that it's a bad skill, but it's something to consider when you design your loadout.
(Sorry for the constant comments, I'm commenting as I watch.) Explosive Clap is a situational skill. When he's facing only one or two mobs, it's a DPS decrease and nothing else, but it greatly increases his survival when he's surrounded, as he tends to be when drawing all the aggro from melee enemies.
great video. very informative. thanks
I think Deathtrap in general could be much better if Gaige had more control over him, like Wilhelm with his Surveyors.
- You wouldn't be able to recall him still, but you could issue commands. For example, tap the bumper while pointing at an enemy, and he'll attack that enemy until one of them dies. Kinda like the designator skill in Wil's H-K tree.
- The active skills would be entirely slaved to Gaige herself, and activated by holding your action button and pressing the D-pad. Clear trash mobs? Left for Explosive Clap. Squirrelly stalker or fleshy boss? Right for the Stare. Big group of tougher mobs? Up for 1 2 Boom. Need shields? Down for Buck Up. Upshot Robot and Robot Rampage could be used indiscriminately by Deathtrap so you don't need more buttons.
This would've been a great addition with the recent DLC, but alas. Maybe a mod could do it for PC?
I feel deathtraps biggest problem is lack of synergy. I think Sharing is caring should be a game changer. And her capstone should give deathtrap the ability to revive gaige at the expense of killing deathtrap. and add the ability to recall him.I really think just that alone would fundamentally change deathtrap play style and actually create one where you have to be deliberate with when you use death trap. Completely just fantasizing but to have deathtrap be build similar to wilhem in the TPS, where you are able to have him either be combat or be your support. I love the idea of being able to use him dynamically and be able to control him
Yeah a few changes like that would make a huge difference, recall and ability to target would be huge. But his augments also actually needs to improve him.
I love finding super detailed stuff like this, I just started going through tvhm with my Gaige and I weapon I find really nice with anarchy is the Jakobs Gatlin Gun. It's strange how awesome that thing is. If only there was like a legendary version of the gatlin with shock damage. That would be beautiful
has anyone noticed that occasionally, when you're maxed on blood soaked shields, if you get a kill as DT readies buck up, he'll restore the shield of an enemy if you're playing solo? that makes it so terrible.
He'll perform the animation but not actually recharge the enemy shield. It's a waste of a couple of seconds but if you're relying on DT to kill enemies for you on OP levels then you're missing out on Gaige's own immense DPS.
Hey Derch - nice movie :-)
There's an odd synergy/lack of synergy between CUT and TBH (and they appear on the same COMs a lot so they seem deliberately paired together). I'm not sure whether to describe it as working against each other, or covering up for the other's weakness, but if you're getting the best out of one you won't be getting much out the other.
Depending on the SLF effect, you may be better off going for non-matching grips on your low mag anarchy builders to keep them to 1 shot before reload.
Law & Order is "kind of" usable if you want to melee, and the unlisted accuracy boost on the Law means you can go to 57 anarchy with no accuracy loss (from the wiki - crossing my fingers that's correct!).
Made of Sterner Stuff would be cool if it could cancel out damage under 5%, additionally negating the 5% health lost from Blood Soaked Shields.
Also, correct me if I'm wrong (it's been a while) but you can chain Death From Above with Interspersed Outburst to slag an entire group.
Great video, very comprehensive analysis.
I think gaige is the best shield character, maybe an amp shield, a bee would be best if but during nvhm and tvhm any shield would do. with blood soaked shields and fancy mathematics, she's pretty unstoppable
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For console players if the Reload impulse is really that strong you can empty the clip and allow Gaige to initiate an auto reload. This will not result in the loss of anarchy but can be a pain on weapons with big magazines or expensive ammo.
Would have loved a game changer where you can melee toward a certain enemy making deathtrap attack that enemy that would have given the player more control over him fixing some AI issues and also increasing synergy
There is something i'm wondering but i sadly don't have a Gaige set up to test it atm. I'm curious if Unstoppable force (shield regen after a kill) kick-starts Fancy Mathematics. It would be an interesting synergy if it works like that.
It could of been worth discussing the Sham a little, due to the fact Gaige has extra synergy with it.
Gaige as you mentioned is the best Sham fleeter, Gaige has so many shield skills it makes keeping the Sham active and thus always having it's survivabilty available really easy, finally Deathtrap gains extra survivabilty from the Sham.
Hi there, I have been using your video to guide my skill tree building since the forms were shut down. I was wondering if you would do the same thing for the wonderland and/or Borderlands 2 reborn mod.
Nice video, if I may say that she is not that bad of character because I played as her at one point in time, and her skill tree I can max her out entirely and she's good at everything but the first thing I invest in is her orderd chaos and then go from there.
Ok im not saying it's right but I feel it needs to be mentioned.
Gaige might not have much control over death trap by design. If you listen to her echos then we find out that death trap killed Marcey without Gaige's intervention and it ultimately made her flee to pandora.
Side note, I find that death trap normally goes for badass enemies. I don't know if this is just coincidence but it seems he goes for the biggest threat.
She's so good with infinity pistol
No.
If you spec into the anarchy tree at all, you can't even use the infinity with Gaige- the smaller mag size from her skills drops the infinity to zero. You'd have to use a class mod that boosts magazine size. Very limiting and specific just to use a mediocre weapon that's not good on Gaige.
@@matthewfera2954 ngl. I have no clue why i said that. I dont think i ever used infinity pistol on gaige? Maybe i was trolling back then. Maybe i meant to say a different gun? Either way im really confused about my own comment lol
@@saltyscrublyfe9862 Haha, I feel you. I didn't realize I was replying to a 2 year old comment. The infinity pistol was a hot topic for a long time so you very well might've just been memeing!
@@matthewfera2954 more then likely. Ive never used it since ive never played zero. Ive always been a kreig main lol
annoyed android messes with Deathtrap's AI, the speed sometimes makes him do jank things
Hi Derch, was wondering if you could give a recommended full build for level 72 (or maybe the current level 80) for us to see the synergy between skills and weapons. (Eg, I would consider Maya’s first Cataclysmic skill to be bad since its additive until u explained it was good for healing)
20% cooler? Evil Enchantress? Discord?
Wink Wink Nudge Nudge
Blood soaked shields 4 and unstoppable force 5 is really good.
I never had trouble with one two boom, but this is because I never touched the Ordered Chaos tree.
To be fair (and I haven't tested this because I don't play Gaige), you might be able to use Explosive Clap in the same way that Axton uses Nuke in endgame for the knockback and temporary Aggro relief? It's not the best form of crowd control/survival but it might be helpful.
Whats the playlist in the background? Great Video!
Very good video watched the whole thing
We going for Claptrap next? Also, holy shit I'm early.
yeah claptrap is the only one left
Derch was he last because you don't like him, or just don't play him? Just curious.
+Young Jesus kinda both
Derch fair enough
Derch also, judging by your videos, I'm guessing you're not a fan of random melee skills, which are most prominent on *shock, horror* Claptrap.
new ordered chaos capstone: anarchy no longer has reduced accuracy or half accuracy per stack.
I think that would be a suitable replacement, also keep up with the awesome videos ^^
NickThe Ninja that would be very broken
Very very busted. But maybe adding another bonus stat to Anarchy would be cool! Movement speed? Fire rate? Reload speed?
I think the problem with Buck up is on one hand that Deathtrap sometimes just does it at unpleasant time, on the other hand I think roid shields are just bad design. I mean, yeah people use them but really you sacrifice a lot of survivability for an alternative damage source that isn´t really any more potent than normal gun damage but puts you at a much higher risk. If I was to rework them I would pretty much turn them into a combination of spike shields and amp shields, so every time you melee someone/something you lose a bit of your shield charge and when the shield is down it needs to recharge to full again in order to have the special effect up and working again. This would make for an awesome synergie with buck up and it would also really help Zer0 out because it goes well with grim as you would actually restore shields and keep your melee spree going. Melee Krieg wouldn´t benefit that much from it but melee Krieg can be a bit odd anyways.
Also, the skills seem somewhat spread over the board. I would probably be better if some of the gunskills from BFF were switched over to ordered chaos and that all the melee skills and that one deathtrap skill from ordered chaos was switched over to BFF.
Recently I farmed Bunk3r with my LV 53 mechro for the sham . Was using Corrosive conference call and the Bee with this skill and she 3 shot him. :)