S&W 432 Ultimate Carry or Ultimate Fail
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- Опубликовано: 21 апр 2024
- I love to carry my S&W M&P 340 J-frame revolver. I hate to shoot it. I saw the S&W 432/632 UC and put myself on the waiting lists. I got one. I am disappointed. It will have to go back to S&W for repair.
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S&W Ultimate Carry June 2024
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This video has tamed the hype for me. I’ll wait until I can check one out in person. Who knows when that will be.
Thanks for the video
My intent was not to discourage but to give some pause. If it was at a gun store with more than one copy, I would not have accepted the copy I got.
I like the concept enough, I about bought another one while mine is at S&W for repair. What are the chances I get two bad ones?!
A lot of guys have commented that their copies are great.
For 800 bucks, they should be ashamed of themselves for letting that out the door. Thanks for the warning
I bought a 632-UC after the 432-UC. I’m just not impressed. My MP340 with all its wear seems better fit. Inspect before you take it home or be ready to part with it while it goes in for repair…
Your attention to detail has gotten you a new subscriber. Keep up the good work.
Awesome, thank you!
I have the same model. My first box of fifty were S&W longs. I had two times the trigger didn't return to forward and two separate light primer strikes. So you are not alone. I got mine from my FFL. They ordered it for me.
Hopefully yours comes back fully fixed! I was not so lucky…S&W Ultimate Carry June 2024
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Thanks for a honest review.
Always!
S&W's new philosophy of "good enough"! They sold me a pair of top of the line 1911s that BOTH had defective magazine releases, then tried to pretend it was a problem they had never heard of!!
Frustrating for sure! My 432-UC should be home this week. We’ll see how they did.
I too purchased a 432 which has been returned to the factory. I was experiencing light primer strikes and the handgun had some cosmetic issues. Within two weeks of return the factory service emailed and said the handgun could not be repaired, but would be replaced if that was agreeable. I agreed, and forwarded a copy of an FFL for return shipping. It has now been a little over a month and I have not received the firearm. I reached out to S&W and they said they are waiting on allocation, but did not know when that may occur. Hopefully the matter will eventually be resolved.
That is very troublesome…
Please let me know how it turns out.
A new gun arrived today approximately 5.5 weeks from the return date. Have not shot it yet. @@HollyrockFarm
@@marylyncahn102 Hopefully your new one is flawless!
That is despicable... I got much better customer service and initial quality from Charter arms.
@@HollyrockFarm Just to let you know I had them replace my 432 with a 632. When it came in it had a ding on the cylinder that looked like it was dropped before assembly. I shot the gun on two separate occasions and it has functioned well. I probably have 300 rounds through it without any problems. I have opted to live with the ding on the cylinder since it works and is a carry gun. It will show enough wear in time. Smith obviously is not paying a lot of attention to detail. I hope you get your problems worked out with yours. I do like the handgun and the concept.
I think you’re right about their relocation. I’ve seen way more stories about S&W quality issues since they moved (anecdotally, of course). Unless they relocated a significant number of their experienced workforce when they moved, this sort of thing is to be expected, unfortunately. I’m confident they’ll work it out, but in the meantime I think we’ll continue to see QC issues.
My 432-UC is still marked Springfield, Mass. I wonder if they moved all their more than ten round capacity products to Maryville, TN, and left their revolver production in Mass.
@@HollyrockFarm All revolver production stayed in Springfield.
@@romans6two338 I noticed mine still said Springfield on the side. It looks like that won’t change, for now.
Unacceptable for a new gun, especially a special run. Thank you for the review.
I have two revolvers at S&W and a third to go back. They’re messing up.
Just picked one up. Luckily it doesnt have any of the above issues. Now lets see how it shoots.
Hopefully your gun works and shoots great! I’ll have some 32 Mag gel tests up soon.
Have one "on order" from the local independent outlet. Evidently the first run sold out quickly, and they are now coming in a few at a time. Fingers crossed it's "issue" free.
@@woodystemms3799 It seems a lot of guys are happy with their Ultimate Carry revolvers. Hopefully your gun is good to go! S&W got my gun back for warranty repair on 05/03/2024. I want it back...this 32 thing has got me intrigued...I've got some gel tests coming...
I just ordered one despite this bad news on quality control. This looks like the perfect fit for what I need/want.
@@robeppers Even with "issues", there's a warranty, which you don't get with a vintage snub-nose that costs at least twice as much ( if you can find one ).
I have a 340PD & 442 Pro, both no lock, and really appreciate this review. Experience taught me to avoid new models of anything when they first come out and your info backs that up. I hope S&W makes things right for you.
Correct, always waited for the sophomore year. It takes time for the bugs to work their way to the surface.
That is well worded. I figured they were still making the j-frame...They've been doing that since the 50's so how bad could they mess it up? (Play video)
I'm confident S&W will make it right. My intent is to get people to be aware if they order one of these without being able to handle it first, there is a risk it shows up like my copy...not serviceable. Trouble was obvious from the first time I closed the cylinder.
I wanted one. Guess I’ll wait and see what happens.
Great video! Thanks for bringing us this information. My 642 UC won't make it through an entire cylinder without at least one failure to fire. The trigger frequently locks to the rear and has to be manually pushed forward to reset. I want my money back.
Based on the comments section, we’re in the minority, but there are more of us with unserviceable guns than there should be.
I would suspect a spring issue.Have you taken those VZ boot grips off and look at the machining of the grips? Something may be rubbing on the spring. Maybe not enough clearance and someone torqued the grip screw down to tight. I would ditch those grips anyway.Boot grips are worthless.
@@williamryan9195 I tried a different brand of ammo - S&B. It worked fine with no issues. The Armscor ammo was the issue I think. You are right about the grips. I need to replace them with something else.
@@williamryan9195 I'm not sure if it was a spring issue or just the timing. The crane would move when the cylinder was supposed to be locked. I like the boot grips for my mission set for the j-frame. I let the mission drive my gear selection rather than my preferences driving matching my gear to the mission (unless it involves the Ruger LCR...they're great but too ugly for me).
I bought a 632-UC and it does not have the same issues as my 432-UC. That reinforces my assessment that the 432-UC should never have left the factory in the condition I received it.
Smith & Wesson has my 432-UC for a warranty repair claim.
I sent my 432-UC back to Smith & Wesson and got impatient waiting for it to return. I bought a 632-UC and it does not have the same issues as my 432-UC. So far, I've got 6 rounds and a bunch of snap cap dry fires through it without issues. I'll make a follow up video on the Ultimate Carry once I have more experience with the 632-UC and get my 432-UC back.
I appreciate honest youtubers. My first J frame was purchased about a month before these came out. Do not buy the 351PD (22mag). It's a little over 11 oz empty, very accurate, very pleasant to shoot, but ALL the cases get stuck making it difficult to reload. I don't expect to reload in a gun a fight but I do expect to reload at the range.
Thank you! I’ve got the update coming…maybe as early as today or the next couple of days.
I too recently purchased one of these, thankfully none of your issues have popped up. So far 150 rounds flawlessly ran through it, mixture of 100gr bullet types.
I’m glad yours is good to go. I got impatient and bought another one. This time I got the 632-UC…
I’m acquiring a bunch of reloading equipment. This is going to get interesting…
Very disappointing when we consider the quality of S&W, but not surprised with any manufacturing these days. I heard how sketchy Colt was with their King Cobras. I waited and got 2 very good ones in 357 and 22 lr. I have several excellent S&W revolvers, including the 431 PD, (my wife's edc). They will make it right, but it should have been right the first time. Thanks for an honest review
I got my 432-UC back…update coming soon!
It's a good concept to have a 6 round small revolver equivalent to 38 Special in power but the quality control also matters. At these prices, there are no excuse for the issues you pointed out. Maybe S&W will get its act together on these as some are returned to the shop for repairs. Thanks for an honest review.
I think they'll get it right. From the burr on my barrel shroud to the timing issue in the cylinder causing the trigger freeze, it may have been assembled by the same person who was having a bad day or just plain careless.
@@HollyrockFarm let us know if S&W fixed the gun to your satisfaction. Warranty service is very important.
My older model S&W .32 H&R mag will do just fine.
I may upgrade the sights…but I’ll not replace the gun.
If they’s offer my M&P 340 just in .327 Fed Mag I’d order one tomorrow.
Those older guns are from a past era that isn’t coming back without custom prices…good call to hang onto the old one!
I’ve had guns from all makers that needed a return to the factory. Things happen. Just send it back and let them make it right.
They’ve had it in their work queue since 05/09/2024. Hopefully it comes back good to go!
I picked one up too. I sprayed the ejector rod with cleaner and then added oil. It was better but not ultimate quality. There were still grinding marks on the knurled end of the rod.
No shooting issues though. I did take it apart and clean it. I was impressed with the fitment of the grips and plate/cover. Almost like it was edm cut.
Same day I bought a PC shield plus. Trigger was garbage. SW said it could take 6w or more plus shipping to fix. I took it apart and cleared the grit and polished it. Much better but still disappointing
I bought a 632-UC while my 432-UC was at S&W. I made a new video and now they’re both back at S&W for timing, spitting lead, and light strikes. I really like the concept but the QC on the two I got was unsatisfactory. S&W Ultimate Carry June 2024
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I really wanted one of these.
Not now.
Thanks for the info
Maybe just wait until you can handle it at the counter before you buy. From the moment I closed the cylinder and it felt like it was binding on something, I knew it was going back to the factory. The trouble is, I bought it "as is" new in box from gunbroker. No passing on it...
That said, I want the gun in a serviceable condition. I've got some gel test videos to post...the 32 Mag has my respect.
Like you, I’ve carried my 340PD .357 on duty since 02’ in an ankle holster and at times in my field jacket right front pocket reinforced with velcro. I loaded it with mag tech 95 grain .357. which was manageable out of that snubbie. Never a problem. Always reliable. Disappointed to hear the lack of quality in that 432. Unacceptable for a named brand that cost $700+.
I really liked the Buffalo Bore item 19i, a 140 gr solid copper bullet on a light .357 Mag. I ran it in gel a couple of times and always left a positive impression. The only trouble with it is the price. They're very proud of that load and charge as if it were made from gold.
I may have to check out that 95 gr Magtech load.
I did another much longer video after I got the 432-UC back...now my 432-UC and 632-UC are both back at S&W. It is disappointing. They cannot make those wheel guns like the polymer M&P pistols. Those wheel guns need more QC.
If you don’t mind my asking, what ammo did you carry? On the 340
I like the Buffalo Bore item 19i. It has consistently expanded and gone around 16" in organic ballistics gel and clear ballistics gel through both bare and heavy clothing. I used this loading exclusively when I carried my MP340 on duty. They are loaded more like a "38 +P++" than a full .357 Magnum load.
If trying to run something less "spicy", the Underwood 38 Special rounds, either standard pressure or +P, come in at 12-13" of penetration in clear ballistics gel with both heavy clothing or bare gel.
I use those depending on availability. I've only got 5 of the Buffalo Bore cartridges left. I need to order more. They're very expensive.
Unbelievable! A country that’s making revolvers for about 150 years! It’s no rocket science I would say...
I bought a 632-UC after I got tired of waiting for my 432-UC to come home. My 632-UC does not have the problems I noted on the 432-UC.
I’d suggest being able to physically inspect the gun before you buy it and you can avoid some of those problems. It was readily apparent that my 432-UC was going to have to go back for warranty work before I filled out the Form 4473. I bought it off GB so there was no turning back.
I was worried about QC bc of the stories I keep seeing on RUclips about newer Smith revolvers (from reputable channels). Fortunately, my new Ultimate J Frame has 18 rds of 32 H&R and 6 rounds of .32 SW Long through it with no issues, as well as a little dry fire practice and pocket holster draws. Love the front sight, my under lug is smooth, and trigger is fine and I haven’t had any malfunctions (knock on wood). I posted a Short of my actual first six shots on my channel, as well as an unboxing vid.
Hopefully when I get mine back, it is just as good as yours! I’m glad you got a good one. Hopefully mine is just an outlier!
Good video... Smith & Wesson's been having issues since 2015. I could tell you stories. Just subbed great video
Thanks for the sub! I got my 432-UC back…update coming soon.
S&W is great with their customer service. I am sure they will treat you right.
They didn’t give me any troubles with getting a label. If the gun comes back running great, in a reasonable amount of time, all is forgiven…stuff happens.
I Purchased a 632 today. After watching your video, I inspected mine again. I have none of the defects yours does. I agree you should allow S&W the chance to make it right.
Great to hear!
I bought a 632-UC after I got tired of waiting for my 432-UC to come home. My 632-UC does not have the problems I noted on the 432-UC.
It was readily apparent that my 432-UC was going to have to go back for warranty work before I filled out the Form 4473. I bought it off GB so there was no turning back…
I did some gel testing…the 32 Mag has shown some interesting performance…videos to follow.
I recently purchased a 629 deluxe and had similar issues, oiled up the ejector rod and where it slides and locks into the frame. Slightly tapped the roll pin and all is good! .... i just chaulk it up to break in period, love my .44 magnum and Smith & Wesson
I’ve never had this same experience with another revolver…S&W or Taurus. I sent it back to S&W earlier today.
I don’t know much. Looking to purchase. Was sold on this, but sure glad I found your review! Looking for more than a 22 but less than a 38, that’s all I know, with easy trigger pull and as less kick as I can. Any recommendations?
The .32/.327 Mag revolvers likely well suite your desire for more than a .22 but less than a .38. If you can find a S&W Ultimate Carry out in the wild and have the opportunity to inspect it before you buy it, it may fit the bill.
If you need the lightweight revolver, the Ruger LCR is a great place to look. Ruger offers it in .327 Federal Magnum. It will shoot .327 Fed Mag, .32 H&R Mag, and .32 S&W Long. The Ruger LCR should have a great trigger out of the box. If it does not, it is wrong and should be sent back to Ruger for repair. I would have bought one long ago but I think they're ugly. That is the only reason I have the S&W instead of the Ruger LCR. Some people complain about the grips being too big and lacking a good front sight. Those can both be changed...and then the price would about match the S&W UC revolvers.
The Ruger SP101 and Taurus 327 are both available in .327 Fed Mag (will chamber cartridges mentioned above) but they are a lot heavier with their steel frames and cylinders. The heavier guns will use some of their weight to mitigate recoil. The downside is they're less pleasant to carry.
Sellier & Bellot makes a good flat point lead bullet for the .32 S&W Long that will give about 13 inches of penetration in gel through heavy clothing and has pleasant recoil. It would be a round that could double for defense and practice at about $0.60 per shot if you were trying to keep it simple.
If you have more questions, I'm happy to help! If I get too technical, I have to apologize, I was a cop that spend a lot of years where the details were very important.
@@HollyrockFarm Thank you for your detailed response. Sounds like I’m on the right track as I started out looking for the Ruger LCR 327 but my local store said I would have to order online and pay transfer fees. The S&W 32 looked perfect but online it was listed at nearly $1200. Since you brought up its issues, sounds like I’m back to the Ruger again. I appreciate your help and your service in the PD. Thanks for your time!
@@TruthIris Happy to help! You can call around and ask about transfer fees. I have no affiliation with them, but Buds Gun Shop has the LCR for a reasonable price and they'll help you with your shipping stuff. If you get one and remember, let me know how it works out!
@@HollyrockFarm Thank you! Much appreciated. Will do.
That’s a bummer. I’ve got a cheap Taurus 856 runs like a champ. Not as nice but it doesn’t freeze up or have issues closing the cylinder. 6 shots of 38 +p too. I got my eyes on the new colt viper prob won’t get it tho
I bought a 632-UC after I got tired of waiting on my 432-UC to come home. My 632-UC does not share the same problems. I’m only 6 rounds and a bunch of snap cap pulls in, but they are night and day different. My 432-UC should never have left the factory.
Revolvers may not be the most modern designs, but they still work as well as they ever did.
I've had Smiths over the years always thought
they they were the best
Hope it's isolated to this one Good Luck
I've gone thru Smith & Ruger returns
First Rate on both
I just typed the letter to include in the box when I send it back. This is my first negative issue with a S&W. If you make enough of them, your bound to have a bad copy make it out the door. I also hope this is an isolated issue. I saw a video review from a guy with the silver model that also complained of the trigger freezing.
All the markings on the gun except for the S&W trademark on the left side of the frame are rough. They are using a different method than on my other earlier S&W models. It is the kind of engraving that grabs cotton from a swab. Functionally, it is irrelevant. It degrades the finished feel of the gun and is likely cheaper. It makes me wonder if they're cutting corners...
I've carried a 642 for years now. Got it brand new on sale for 299. This was before the Sniffles. Got Hogue grips and a Wilson combat spring kit. She's a real honey. I was interested in getting one of these "upgraded" models with 6 shots. Not any more. I'll stick with what i know for sure works.
I bought a 632-UC after I got tired of waiting for my 432-UC to come home. My 632-UC does not have the problems I noted on the 432-UC.
I’d suggest being able to physically inspect the gun before you buy it and you can avoid some of those problems. It was readily apparent that my 432-UC was going to have to go back for warranty work before I filled out the Form 4473. I bought it off GB so there was no turning back.
I purchased a 43C about a year ago and had to send it back. I paid almost $800 for it and they “repaired” the yoke, cut the forcing cone, and replaced the main spring. That’s a lot of work for a brand new gun. The problems they’ve been having seem to be with their revolvers. I don’t know if it’s new equipment or lack of qualified personnel, but they really need to get their act together.
Agreed. Every company lets something out the door they shouldn’t…at least S&W sends a prepaid shipping label!
Thank you for the "Heads-up".
I'd hate for someone else to run into these problems and it truly be a problem rather than in inconvenience. Obviously, I'm not unprotected while S&W makes the warranty repair...
Very helpful! Please do an update after they return it to you!
I will!
Thanks, I was just about to get one. I think i'll wait based on your review.
A lot of guys have reported positive experiences in the comments. I’d just suggest physically inspecting it rather than ordering one and hopi mg for the best. S&W got mine back on 05/03/2024. Hopefully when it comes back it can become my new favorite…
I bought a brand new S&W M&P 340 this week, and it's absolutely perfect... so they are still making them properly, I wonder if these defects are just limited to the Ultimate Carry models. I know for the cost of these things, there is no excuse for sloppy work like on that pin... that would drive me nuts as well. Did you find what is hanging up when you close the cylinder? I wonder if the steel frame bushing wasn't fully seated.
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@@HollyrockFarm Cool, thanks for the update video! Watching it now...
I have a 432PD that was bought 30+ years ago. It is a jewel!
I bet you didn’t think you’d have a moon rock on your hands! Picking that up was a good call!
It seems like their non-magnum j-frames have a very poor quality control. I bought Model 442 back in 2020. I knew of the quality control issues so I asked the gun store to show me four identical revolvers. Three of the four had cylinder issues just like you are describing. So I bought the best of the four examples, only to discover a new issue - that during rapid fire a cylinder would occasionally fail to rotate. 🙁 (I got it on slow motion video, so it’s NOT operator induced) After the gun spent over a month at S&W, it came back, working fine, but this time it had a bent ejection rod. 🤦♂️ It’s been working fine ever since, so the ejection rod is only a cosmetic issue, but what the hell, Smith & Wesson?!
Seems it probably should have immediately gone back for round two at S&W!
@@HollyrockFarm Ideally, but I bought it so that I could carry it, not to have it with their gunsmith for another month.
@@drklop I get it. I'm sending my 432-UC back in for endshake in the yoke and it still has a timing issue. I bought a 632-UC and it has thrown three light strikes within 100 rounds.
I wish a one of their gunsmiths would actually handle my guns and get them out the door to be correctly. I fear I'm at the armorer level with a guy trained to change parts.
Nice review. Hopefully, it’s an isolated quality control slip up. I just subscribed and am looking forward to hearing how Smith & Wesson handles this situation…that, in my opinion, is what distinguishes top tier companies from the masses; mistakes happen, it’s how customer support makes things right, that I judge by.
I'm upset that Remington went under. I'd hate to see S&W have problems due to a systemic issue in QC. I also hope my issue is isolated. I'll report back after I get the gun back from S&W. I'm also looking to get my gel test videos out soon. I tested 32 magnum offerings from Buffalo Bore, Hornady, and Federal.
Send it back. S&W is good at customer relations. Looks like a bad one got through.
I plan on sending it in for warranty work. I’ve got one more gel test to video so I can put out the original 3, Buffalo Bore, Federal, and Hornady. Hopefully I can keep it firing!
The extraction rod on my 442 has a tendency to back out making the cylinder impossible to close or open properly. Left handed threads and I have to check it periodically.
That would be aggravating. Is your 442 a recent production or an older production?
@@HollyrockFarm I bought it about 3 years ago. I don't think it's a common problem with S&Ws but it happens enough.
I got a 432 as well. Mine doesnt have the resistance closing the cylinder or the timing issues. It does have some of the cosmetic imperfections though.
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WOW! This was brilliant. Get on it Lipsey.
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Great Review... Honest and Straight Forward! Thanks ';-)
I got my 432-UC back…update coming soon!
I like the m&p 340 357 mag hand cannon. I like my 500 mag & model 29 & model 57.
Sounds like you’re a fan of the magnums!
My grandpa got really into 44 mag in his later years. He was really into how he could have soft light loaded 44 Spec fun loads and the heavy magnums when he wanted. He was reloading and liked to work up his own loads.
Oh no cylinder end shake I was going to buy this. I was just looking at video's before buying it I not going to. Maybe Ruger LCR I am a smith guy shoot.
I think the Ruger LCR is the superior revolver to the j-frame. I recommend them to people that are not as shallow as I am. I think they're so ugly, I've refused to buy one since I fired one and thought the out-of-the-box gun had a better trigger than my j-frame that was worked over by the S&W Performance Center.
I'm not too proud to admit my shortcomings or that I believe my favorite gun is inferior to a competitor...truth.
My 642 UC had the EXACT same fitment concerns. As i played with it, it broke in to be as nice closing as my other 642. I think whatever coating they used is thicker than a standard unit. I also noticed if i push the cylinder release all the way in i couldn't get it to release. Again, as I've played with it, dry fired it etc it has worked itself out.
Not how i want to get a new 800 dollar firearm.
I sent mine back for warranty repair. We’ll see how it comes back…
My cylinder closure felt better with use but it was still rough. It felt like it was rubbing on something at closure.
I’ve had some guys tell me it just needed broken in. I didn’t grow up in the prime of the revolver, but I’ve never felt a cylinder close that rough…even if the handle had duct tape…
@@HollyrockFarm 100% agree. I emailed Smith the day I bought it home and told them the same. The ratchet detent(not sure what you call it) seemed like it was too long and was rubbing more into the frame as my other 642. I checked wear patterns and found the exact same wear on my older model, so I left it alone for now. It also feels very smooth now. Curious what they say to you when it's returned.
@@Heavy-C I'll make an update when I get it back. I have high hopes!
My model 10 shoots like butter was carried by a police man and used in the 80s great shooter gun was little scratched up on one side but I fixed that and new grips and she good to go my 686 7 plus in 357 mag can carry concealed has 3 inch barrel and my snubbie is a Taurus stainless steel model 85 wood grips great little used gun find for 250.
Some of those police trades are great. I had a Sig P220 police trade in that I should never have sold.
Revolvers may not be the modern designs, but they still work just as good as they ever did!
Really curious to see if they make it right please post an update when you have one
Will do!
I WAS going to buy one but quality control issues like this took my away my desire.
I’ve owned many S&W revolvers, never a problem
I used to be able to say the same. I’ll update when I get the 432-UC back from S&W.
Thanks for this honest review. Looks like Smith and Wesson needs to pick up their game.
I bought a 632-UC after I got tired of waiting for my 432-UC to come home. My 632-UC does not have the problems I noted on the 432-UC.
I’d suggest being able to physically inspect the gun before you buy it and you can avoid some of those problems. It was readily apparent that my 432-UC was going to have to go back for warranty work before I filled out the Form 4473. I bought it off GB so there was no turning back.
So, they take away a feature that makes the J frame revolver easier to carry i.e. the low profile sights and then they put high profile sites on the gun. I don’t understand.
I haven’t noticed a snagging issue and I pocket carry, ankle carry, and carry OWB.
They could have just put the MP340 XS sight on their j-frames and moved on. I never minded the rear notch.
That said, the new rear sight is slightly slanted forward so as not to be a major snag hazard. I think it was an improvement. Your opinion may differ if your mission requirements are not the same.
I picked up my 642UC last week and had only 1 range trip thus far. Thankfully mine has no issues, including any of those you've pointed out. Sorry you got a bad one. I will say that the "hard to close" cylinder thing isn't actually a thing. It's due to a heavier spring in the rear lockup pin running through the extractor star. Not a bad thing, as it'll help keep the cylinder locked in place. If the cylinder face is scraping on the forcing cone while opening/closing, that's a different matter, but you should be able to tell right off the bat if that's what's going on. All of the other issues suck and need to be fixed by S&W.
I sent it back to S&W. They got it on 05/03/2024. Hopefully they return it running and shooting great. I ran gel tests with 3 different 32 H&R Mag loads and have two more waiting for my gun to come home. The 32 has me intrigued.
I’m glad your copy runs great!
@@HollyrockFarm I absolutely love the .32 H&R. Have 3 revolvers (S&W 16 & 631 and a Ruger Bisley Single Six) and 1 rifle (Marlin 1894 lever action) in the caliber. For the defensive application, however, I went with the .38 version, mainly due to more readily available defense ammo. I may have been wrong though. Guessing you'll love yours when you get it back and its good to go!
S&W quality went out the window years ago.
Check out some of my other videos…it is sad… S&W Quality Control is Failing
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I hear and read a lot about issues with newer Smith & Wesson revolvers. Maybe it's not "a lot" relative to the numbers they sell, but it's enough to raise an eyebrow. I own 2 Smith revolvers, and only one of them is new enough to be subject to modern QC issues. It's a Model 63 that I picked up a couple of years ago. It has given me no trouble, and I have no complaints with the fit and finish. I kind of wish it didn't have the frame lock, but that's not a QC issue, and it's easy enough to ignore when plinking at the range.
I'm sure they'll make good on it, but they shouldn't be employing customers as QC.
This is my first issue with S&W. I've got 5. Hopefully they make it right and it will let my MP340 move into retirement. That poor gun got the crap beat out of it.
Thanks. I just changed my mind.
Products like this from Smith makes Taurus look that much better.
My brother-in-law was looking for a small revolver for farm carry. I pointed him to the Ruger LCR. I love my MP340 and it has an action job from the S&W Performance Center. A new out of the box LCR has a better trigger than my Performance Center tuned MP340. The LCR is cheaper and has a nicer trigger. I think the LCR a better choice and is ugly...I stayed with S&W.
My issue with Taurus is...I don't have one. I've never had a bad experience with a Taurus. I just prefer the holster availability and classic lines of the S&W.
@@HollyrockFarm For once a valid reason not to have a Taurus or any other brand for that matter; personal preference.
It makes no sense when guys hate on a brand or people just because someone made a different choice than their own personal preference.
The exception is Staccato. I will hate on them until they finally make a CS with a reversible magazine release. I’m left handed and cannot stomach spending that money on a 2011 that a kid can come give me a hug and release my magazine with their head when they forget I’m carrying a gun.
I want a Staccato CS L…the version that is lefty friendly.
Oh I know, I have many old Smiths.
Having spent decades in Quality Control, it's disappointing to see even one gun make a bad impression by a quality failure. One gun, or one anything, is not enough to make a solid claim about the quality of production.
I agree on the singular example not being an indicator of a systemic problem…but…I just picked up my fourth S&W revolver for 2024…the cylinder face makes contact with the forcing cone. I’ve not shot it yet. I’m not going to bother and try before sending it back.
It pains me to see S&W doing this to itself.
S&W 317 First Shots
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4/4 revolvers from S&W in 2024 has been a failure. S&W Quality Control is Failing
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I hope they get it together!
I bought a brand-new 432 and it has none of the issues yours has- I'm wondering if maybe yours was previously dickered with or if it could even be a counterfeit. Mine is absolutely perfect, as I would expect from S&W. Please keep us posted!
I sent it back to S&W. I don’t have any indications it may be counterfeit. I bought a 632-UC after I grew impatient. It is much better than the 432-UC was! I’ll make an update when I get the 432-UC back.
The problem with buying anything on GunBroker is that you're purchasing something that has already been owned by at least one person, and you have NO way to know how many others before you. As far as you know, someone bought a perfectly good firearm, took it apart for whatever reason, royally screwed it up, and sold it at a pawn shop. The person you bought it from could have bought it from the pawn shop hoping to make a quick buck, and you get screwed because you've already paid for something that you couldn't even check out. I find it very difficult to believe that the revolver left S&W in that condition.
QC in the firearms industry as a whole has gone to hell in the last several years. That in no way is a pass for S&W, because putting out quality firearms is a differentiator. I picked up my 642-UC this morning, and have dry fired it on snap-caps about 100 times already. Heading to the range with it this afternoon, and hope it is a completely uneventful trip. I hope they get you fixed up quickly!
Let me know how it goes! I hope mine is not the norm.
The timing issues in mine got worse with use. The cylinder closure got a bit better.
@@HollyrockFarm , Range report: She's a shooter for sure! Snappy the first few rounds, but I got it figured out. Ran 120rds of 130gr Federal and 20 rounds of 125gr +P Speer Gold Dot. No issues with trigger freeze or anything else. I hope they get yours sorted soon. I saw a post on the S&W forum where a member had issues and another member got him in contact with the PM from Lipsey's. They got him a new gun before S&W would have fixed his. Just an idea.
@@grn99ex I’m glad your gun ran well! That gives me hope!
Grandaddys model 10 lookin sweet
Thank you! It was originally purchased in 1981!
They are sold out for now, except a few that are $300 over msrp.
Check 2afirearmsusa
I wish I could have bought mine that cheap! I about $1,000!
I'm fond of saying that even Caddilac let lemons through the door...the good news is S&W has a decent reputation for fixing problems, so you should get satisfaction...
just typed the letter to include in the box when I send it back. This is my first negative issue with a S&W. If you make enough of them, your bound to have a bad copy make it out the door. I also hope this is an isolated issue. I saw a video review from a guy with the silver model that also complained of the trigger freezing.
All the markings on the gun except for the S&W trademark on the left side of the frame are rough. They are using a different method than on my other earlier S&W models. It is the kind of engraving that grabs cotton from a swab. Functionally, it is irrelevant. It degrades the finished feel of the gun and is likely cheaper. It makes me wonder if they're cutting corners...I can only imagine the guys that were building the S&W revolvers in the 80's-90's are retired or retiring.
Hey JohnQ. Please put that phrase away. There is no such thing as a “lemon”. A solid design and capable manufacturing process is mandatory. I’ll give benefit of the doubt for “1” minor defect. Hollyrock points out at least 3 issues…design and or process related. I’m guessing it is both. This is simply a case of a crap product, rather than random escape.✌️
@@callmesceptical9114 I'll take your advice under consideration...I do wonder about 'capable manufacturing process', as humans are involved...no question the design should be figured out, but I'm wondering, was the gun put together on a Monday...?
I saw somewhere that S&W 's earnings/stock price was suffering because of quality controll???
I hadn't heard that. I checked SWBI and did not see any falls that were attributable to quality. The whole industry seems to be a bit slow...until we have the next scare where everything gets bought up and the shelves are empty.
I've had a brand new 586 classic with them for 5 weeks now for multiple quality problems. For a premium gun it did not get premium effort is all I will say.
I have quite a few older S&W police trade ins. No mechanical or reliability issues and they are accurate. Quality control meant something back in those days.
I'm sure the folks assembling the guns now are not the same ones who were putting them out from the 60's to the 90's. Just like the Colt Python will never be the same, this generation of guns is not the same as those when they were blued and hand fitted. If there are any guys left from the times when revolvers filled the police holsters, I bet they're in the Performance Center or the custom shops.
Maybe they pulled the guy who built your gun and put him on the 432-UC line and he built mine! Lets hope it is not a systemic issue and is isolated. I don't want any of our gun companies to do poorly. I want them all to do well!
My last 3 smiths have had to go back.
That is discouraging. I bought a 632-UC after I got tired of waiting on the 432-UC to come back from S&W. It does not have the same issues. So far, I’m pleased with it. I only have 6 rounds through it and a bunch of pulls with a snap caps. Time will tell…
Sad…this is why I don’t buy without being able to inspect first.
That is a good practice!
I just got mine and shot it. I had issues with the trigger stuck back, cylinder getting stuck inside and the ammo stuck inside the cylinder wheni tried using the ejector rod. Really disappointed in the quality. I should have watched your video first. 😂
My 432-UC is headed back and will hopefully be back June 5th.
I bought a 632-UC and it had been good to go. I’m going to run it a bit more and do an update/review of the guns in general.
I don’t think smith & Wesson moved their revolver production to Tennessee.
They didn’t. Their QC has lost their minds like that were part of the move and lost their box of tools! I’m running 0 wins and 3 losses on new S&W revolvers in 2024. 2 are at S&W now. The third, my 317, I’m calling to get a return label today.
S&W 317 First Shots
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You got a Lemmon!
Hopefully! I got impatient and bought a 632-UC…it should be here this week.
Smith and Wesson is not the company that it used to be.
I’m sure inflation, the great resignation, aging demographics, and the political climate has affected us all. Everything changes…except Glock. (The Glock thing was a joke…)
Apparently, “UC” stands for ultimate crap. They should have explained that in the marketing docs. Your 340 with 38+p is a sweet in-pocket edc (just an opinion). My “always” pocket rig is a 442 with standard 38 load. If I’m “out on the town”, I include the all-stainless 640 with 38+p in cross-draw belt holster. “Float like a butterfly, sting like a bee”✌️
I like the Buffalo Bore item 19i for my MP340. Its performance in gel is textbook with bare and heavy clothing.
I got some Double Tap 60 gr lead free 32 mag hollow points to try out in gel. We’ll see how they do.
FYI my 38 /+p are Hornady FTX.
what is 19i? Double tap 60? You’re out of my league… ✌️
@@callmesceptical9114 Buffalo Bore item 19i is their "BUFFALO-BARNES LEAD-FREE Tactical 357 Mag Low Flash-Short Barrel" with a 140 gr Barnes solid copper hollow point.
That Double Tap is a 32 H&R Mag with a 60 grain solid copper hollow point. I have hopes for it to be my carry round depending on the gel test results.
@@HollyrockFarm hey-now! I might get me some 19i for the 640 👍✌️
That’s unfortunate
Disappointing to say the least. Hopefully they’ll fix it so it becomes my new favorite!
I don't trust any Smiths made after 2019. Unfortunately, QC is no better than Taurus from what I understand. Maybe worse. Hope they fix yours. It's a great little pocket rocket. I love the concept, personally.
My Model 19 Carry Comp has been great and it was made in 2020 or 2021. It is a sample size of one and came out of the Performance Center. I cannot imagine S&W was immune to the great resignation and the increased costs of labor and supplies. Cuts have to be made if costs are to be managed.
When I was a much younger and less wise man, I talked down on the 32 magnum over the 38 special. I was wrong. I'll be posting some gel tests with the 32 magnum soon. It meets requirements with less recoil and more capacity.
I'll be sending my 432-UC in to S&W for warranty repair soon.
QC is becoming a big issue with companies like this these days. The question is how do they deal with it?
I got my 432-UC back the other day. Update to follow…
Best one is the old one on the bottom left
Back when bluing was a thing!
Thanks but I will stick with my 340PD
A fine choice!
Was going to order one of these. Thanks for the warning. I'm now thinking Ruger LCR in .327 Mag. Another mistake?
Unless you want a S&W for some reason, I’d recommend the LCR in .327 Fed Mag. You have another type of ammo to shoot and the triggers are great.
“So why did you buy the 432-UC instead of the LCR?”
I think the LCR looks terrible. It is pure superficial looks…Make an SP101 with a lightweight frame in .327 Fed Mag and I’d buy one.
Why do you have resistance closing it?. It's brand new and a little oil would solve that.I would even use a bit of Wilson Combat grease. It is a new and dry revolver. Oil it. Work it in.
There was resistance closing it because it was not fit correctly. Something had to be out of spec. I could feel front and back movement in the crane and cylinder when the cylinder was locked in the firing position. I tried to work it in before making the video and complaining. It was immediately apparent there was something wrong with the gun before I ever started the Form 4473. I would not have continued with the sale if I did not buy the gun from GB. A little grease was not going to correct the issues. I had already cleaned it with Clenzoil CLP.
I sent my 432-UC back to S&W in the beginning of May 2024. I got impatient waiting on it to come home and I really like the concept for the gun. I bought a 632-UC. It does not have the same problems as my 432-UC. I'm going to spend some more time and ammo on the 632-UC and then make another video with it. Plus, I've got to follow up with the 432-UC after S&W returns it. Hopefully it is a good redemption story!
I'm still waiting on my Daniel Defense H9 to come home...almost 3 months now...
@@HollyrockFarm Thanks for the info. My 442 was a little tight out of the box. I did use CLP on the ball detent on the rear of the cylinder and the detent on the ejection rod. It worked in and is now just fine. They really don't fit these little guns as good as they should for the price point. I'm sure there is a little too much pressure to get them out the door from Smith and Wesson to be honest. I would like to see a follow up on it and see if they fixed the issues.
Bummer brother
It is!
S&W Quality Control is Failing
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Any production can have a bad issue. But these things should have been caught in QC
Whoever assembled my gun did not do a good job. Mine was certainly not selected if they were doing batch sampling for QC.
Just got a 329pd new out of the box and the barrel wasn't torqued, free spinning..... S&W needs better QC.
That is terrible! Maybe it was the same guy that buggered up my 432-UC barrel shroud…
Cheap watercolor finish on those thousand dollar Smith and Wesson revolvers.
That beautiful blued finish is gone my friend. If you want it back now, it will have to come from a custom shop.
My comment was all wrong, left part mostly to preserve the creator's reply. He was 100% right to stop the test.
Apologies to creator, my brain was disconnected.
[Yes, this sample needs a bit if work, but , , , ]. "BUT" says it all.
The trigger freezes. There is no point running accuracy tests from a gun with a trigger that freezes unless you're using a mechanical vice like a Ramsom Rest to eliminate human input. I don't have a Ransom Rest so that is not possible.
The cylinder has excessive play. If there is excessive movement in the cylinder while it is locked in the firing position it can negatively effect the group size. I could feel the crane moving while the cylinder was locked in the firing position.
How did my 432-UC shoot? Poorly. It did not function well and that led to an overall poor shooting and accuracy experience. I have no interest in beating S&W up on accuracy when the accuracy results would be from a malfunctioning gun.
My S&W 432-UC has been with Smith & Wesson since the beginning of May. Hopefully when it comes back it is good to go.
I bought a 632-UC because I got impatient waiting on the 432-UC to come home. It seems to work better. I have not gotten around to making a video about it but it is in the works.
If you're disappointed, leave constructive criticism. Ask questions that I can answer in the comments or with future content. Merely stating you're disappointed accomplishes nothing. I'm working to get better at this so I welcome constructive criticism.
@@HollyrockFarmMy apologies and thanks for reminding me to have brain engaged BEFORE writing. Edited my comment. You did as good as you could with what you had.
@@kittell6486 Thank you for being civil! No worries. I'll try and get you a review of the gun. I cannot promise a time frame. I'm still working on getting my .32 H&R Mag gel tests out. My limited video editing experience is frustrating. I know what I want to produce...I'm having growing pains. I'll get there.
Ruger LCR for the win.
They are good guns. I cannot get past the look...I want to...
Everybody lets out a turd once in awhile. I had to send back an mr73 because of finish issues and that gun cost over $5,000.
That being said I'd like to make the point that these snub nose revolvers are great little guns but they should be purely back up guns and never relied upon as a main weapon.
I have nothing against them. I have like five snubbies. The problem is obviously the power and capacity. I have seen at least a dozen innocent people lose a firefight they only had a j frame. They got mowed down and it was ugly. Every time.
Gunfights are in the open division…
I usually carry my P365, CZ P-10C, or CZ Custom A-01C, all with optics and a spare mag.
Sometimes I roll with a j-frame…sometimes up to a PDW, trauma kit, and set of cuffs…depends on my threat assessment and what my back will tolerate. Sometimes my back is not going to tolerate something AIWB…enter the j-frame until I’m done with the muscle relaxers. Some say I have a screw loose…j-frame pocket carry in athletic shorts around the house…
I just bought a 632-UC to deal with my separation anxiety from the 432-UC. Hopefully it does not have any of the same issues!
@@HollyrockFarm that CZ p10c really is impressive.
@@hankwilliams-hx9ww I like it a lot better with the Apex trigger. My other CZ and my CZC made me realize I like the rolling break.
S&W and Lipsey Sales, Marketing, Product Management a-holes probably having too many big meals and bar tabs on the “company dime”. Anyone in the business of producing quality products in a mass market know exactly what my point is.✌️
i think 1 issue is causing all the other issues, or maybe most of them
I agree. We'll have to see if S&W reports back the repairs they make.
Smith & Wesson has been a real disappointment for years now. It all started with the "hillary hole". My Taurus 856, is still smooth and reliable, after more than 500 rounds... and no internal-lock.
I've never had an issue with a Taurus...
Ruger LCR in 327 is your answer.
I have tried it in various calibers with mixed feelings. It feels bulky and the grips just don't work for me.
@@PassivePortfolios hogue g10 piranha worked for me. Best trigger of any j frame size revolver
@@williejamehufff3125 it has a good trigger, even the .22 LR but I just can't get over the bulkiness and grips. It's probably more of a mental block than anything else.
I think the LCR is better than the j-frame. I think the LCR is ugly. I go with the j-frame. It is only a valid argument in a free market where I can be as foolish with my money as I want...and I have to remind myself of that every time I recommend the LCR to someone.
I wish the 432-UC was in 327 Fed Mag...
That factory grip on the LCR does well with recoil but it is super bulky.
I was thinking about ordering one of these. Glad I saw your video. Going to pass.
I'd suggest you handle it first. From the moment I closed the cylinder for the first time and felt how hard it was to close, I knew it was going to go back to S&W. It was obvious. It should not have left the factory.
@@HollyrockFarm Going to wait a while before I order one. Maybe Lipseys will put pressure on S&W to do better QC. Thanks for your review.
Send it back to SMITH
Already on it…it is there for its second trip…
Thats a shame! Thats a Maryville gun?
No…it seems revolver production was kept in Springfield, Mass.
@@HollyrockFarm Awww! I was really hoping they would ditch the Hillary Hole on any revolvers if they made them in TN
@@DavidBrown-it9ig maybe one day…
This should'nt happen bad quality control almost every thing you buy now has an issue
Yeah…both my Daniel H9 and this SW 432-UC!
3:22 cylinder did not revolve.
From the moment I closed the cylinder during my initial handling and felt how hard it was to close, I knew it was going back to S&W. This gun should never have left the factory.
@@HollyrockFarm
Post covid manufacturing specs I guess. 😞
For what Smith is charging for these revolvers they should be perfect! You can get better quality out of Taurus than this and spend hundreds less! Ridiculous!
My 432-UC had problems so I sent it back to S&W for repair. I got impatient so I bought a 632-UC. So far, it does not have the problems my 423-UC had. I'm going to work with it some more so I can share my experiences in another video.
I've never had a problem with a Taurus but until the 432-UC, I'd never had a problem with any of my other S&W guns.
Going purely off of utility, I don't think you can beat the LCR. I just think they're ugly and I cannot get off of it enough to buy one. I recommend them to others as long as looks are not a factor for them.
@@HollyrockFarm yeah, hopefully it’s just a one-off kinda thing and your 423-UC is good to go soon. I know every manufacturer has their issues, but it seems Smith is having more and more lately. Their QC is really slipping and it makes me not want to purchase another one.
The LCR is a fantastic revolver. I’ve shot one on multiple occasions. The only reason I don’t purchase one personally is because it’s not nearly as pocketable as the S&W j-frame such as the 442. It just seems a lot bigger in the pocket. But that isn’t a huge deal I suppose. It still disappears in a IWB holster. And it’s cheaper than the Smith and Ruger’s customer service is the best in the business.
Don't waste your time watching this!
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