I love .357 sig, I carry a glock g31 every day. I understood what you were trying to show. I hope all the 9mm fan boy's stop saying 9mm is just as effective as .357 sig. Thanks for the video.
I shoot 9mm, I'm a smaller dude at 5'6. that is impressive damage, the 357. I would be curious to see accuracy test on a moving target, would say 3 rounds hit from a 9mm be more damage than a single 357? I'm not a 9mm fan boy I grew up on 357, but now that I'm married, I want my fiance to be able to handle the firearms I keep around.
I love the .357SIG. That stretch cavity is NUTS. I read comments from Lucky Gunner when he was dismissing the .357SIG when he claimed that a temporary wound cavity didn't mean much and that 9mm was equivalent to .357SIG. My question then is the same as now. I want someone to explain to me how all of that energy (that is evident from that stretch cavity) is not that big of a deal. You can't convince me that internal organs being pushed 3 inches by that kind of pressure is not that big of a deal. Results like this are why I carry a SIG P-229 in .357SIG every day.
That is what I was thinking when I saw that presentation. It carried nearly double the energy. It doesn't do the same amount of damage. Yes, some tissue is tough. Some is very delicate. I carry an H&K P2000. The same model in 9mm only carries one more round. I'll stick with 357 Sig.
Heck yeah!! Same here. It's a awesome round!! I actually saw that too when he did it. Thanks for checkin it out. I was very surprised on how well it did and the different. Pretty cool. There is definitely a significance. Those who know, know💪💯
Same here. SIG Sauer P229 EDC 125 grain JHP. With a second one as reserve. And two other guns bought as used in .357 SIG for the distant future when spare parts of my beloved 229 run out, because nobody exact Glock is producing guns in .357 SIG anymore 😢😢
I’m with you. I’ve carried the Sig Sauer P-229 357 SIG as my EDC since 1996. I dabbled with 40 S&W and 9 mm, but always came back home to my P229 357 Sig year round. I love the P229 so much, I have a factory new unfired P229 Enhanced Elite 357 Sig in my collection. I’ll probably die of old age before I get the chance to carry it. The 357 Sig just gives me a tremendous amount of confidence to stop any threat effectively. My 357 Sig carry ammo of choice is primarily Underwood 125 grain and secondary, Federal HST 125 grain.
Fun fact, this test is even skewed towards 9x19, as this is a 9x19 +P The majority of people running 9, especially out of compacts, are using standard power. Then we are talking 300 ft-lb vs 550ft-lb. Physics is real
What people don’t realize is that flesh is elastic and can “absorb” energy. This energy threshold is broken at a minimum of about 2,000 feet per second. No handgun can send a pill going that fast. Temporary cavity size doesn’t matter as much as the flesh returns back to its original state without much damage due to elasticity. The permanent cavity from a .357 and a .38 bullet is indistinguishable. TL;DR: All handgun rounds will perform the same on a human being due to flesh elasticity. The only measurable difference is the size of the permanent cavity.
Excellent, thanks! I have no issue carrying 9mm, 40SW, 357Sig or even 380Auto or 357Mag. The issue is understanding the characteristics of the round you’re using however there can be no doubt that 357Sig is more powerful than 9mm. The 9mm fanboys need to give up on the nonsense!
I think most people don't understand that Sig made the cartridge to perform out of a 3.9" p229. While I like to see any .357 Sig content I think it is misunderstood as a short barrel performer.
Wow, even more dramatic difference. The 357 Sig still rocks! Keep up the great work on these videos sir. You keep making them and I’ll keep watching them.
I only went 9mm because the gons are cheaper and the round is cheaper to buy. Having to buy an entire case of new ammo gets pricey when you also buy a new gon
@@kevinrichardson8859 Absolutely. I tested the sig v-crown in 10mm not to long ago. It was definitely a full power load at 180gr and 1300fps getting the same exact energy ft/lbs as this test. Pretty cool to see.
@Lou V44, every time a round gets outperformed by something it becomes a ''wimpy round'' - Just like when a fighter who's been undefeated for years & years & years gets dominated in the ring / cage one day, it's "Oh, I guess he's not that tough after all.'' The 9mm is still a very formidable caliber, and I'm not just saying that because I have one I have one because it's true, but the .357 Sig is one of the elite calibers as far as hand guns go, the 9 is in the very good but not great category. I do trust it to come through however.
@@bluracer766 357 sig drops bad guys and I don’t know about you but I enjoy life so when it comes to preserving life you want every percentage available in your favor so you can keep your 9 and the 2000 videos on RUclips of bad guys eating 9mm rounds like candy and still shooting back and I will protect my one life with 357 nasty
You proved exactly what you intended to prove in the last video. The same people are going to say this test is invalid because bullets didn't weigh the same, even though the 357 was only 1/7000 lb heavier.
Don't sweat the critics. All you can be expected to do is what you have at your disposal. If folk have a complaint they can either invest in the time, energy, materials, money & resources and make their own vid or they can donate a gun for the test. Content & channel are a real asset. Thanks a bundle.
Great test again. The 9mm HST represents it's full potential well. But the 357 Sig is obviously a good bit more powerful. Good show. Appreciate you being willing to invest & endeavor for the tests.
Thank you sir!! It was cool to see both at full potential out of the full size. That 9 is no slouch but like u said the sig is on a whole nother level. I had a lot of fun making it and I try to keep interesting. I don't mind the negative feedback that some put, but I had to show once and for all the absolute difference in the two, regardless of barrel length. Was impressive. Plenty more to come my friend. Thanks as always!!
I too carry a 357sig. Love the videos! Is that velocity correct on the Federal HST? I use the Underwood125gr Bonded Gold Dot and from the newer ones I have I’m not getting near that velocity, not even getting rated sometimes. Sig P320 full-size 4.7” barrel. I’d love to see a five round average on the Federal HST 357sig. Keep those videos coming!
This is a fantastic video, like all of yours, and it is so nice to see the counterpoints to the 9mm bandwagon's maligning of the .357 Sig! Also, thanks for demonstrating how fast that factory HST is, I had no idea even the boutiques were pushing .357 Sig this fast! I handload mine, and even with a quite mild, by-the-book load, that produces only 34,000 psi, I get 125gr Gold Dots at 1,525fps and TMJ/FMJ of the same weight at 1,535fps. The extreme spread on those is only 5fps for the highest-varying load (only 3fps with the Gold Dots), and once I cracked 1,500fps, I stopped there, closer to the minimum powder charge with 800-X than the max (obvious disclaimer, work up loads properly in your gun and always follow book data), since that was all I need. It is good to know that these ATK (the parent company of Federal and Speer) projectiles can perform well even faster, though, so I may need to push it a bit!
I carry a Glock 32C with Gold Dot, big fan of the videos. Obviously the .357 Sig has appreciably more energy, but it still amazes me how effective the 9mm Gold Dot was. I think with quality modern ammunition, the cartridge debate largely falls to preference and application- these are both very effective!
I own both calibers...I'm not delusional and I know that a 9 just isn't as powerful as a 357. I like them both but I know the 357 outshines in everyway (except ammo cost). Thanks for the test!
I'm dying to see what the Remington Golden Saber bonded will do from the 4.6" Glock 31 barrel. [edit to add] The .357 temporary stretch cavity actually fractured the block! You may need to mold larger blocks LoL
I'd like to see what it would do out of a 31 as well.. I have all 3..the 31. 32..& 33 but carry the 32.. so curious to see how the golden saber performs as well as I prefer the tougher brass bullet..357sig is a BEAST
Seriously, right. Might have to do that 😆. I will put that one on the top of the list for ya and get it done. I will do a short vs long barrel test on it.
@@AzAirgunner. I'm using a Sig P320 with 4.7" barrel and would probably have similar velocities. It's hard to pick just one load for the .357 Sig because they're all so good
The 357 SIG is my favorite handgun cartridge, and I cannot understand why it did not get the recognition and popularity that it deserved. Perhaps, it was due to the 40 S&W having a four year headstart in the police market. Ironically, the 40 has also entered it's twilight years. It's crazy that SIG no longer produces a gun chambered in 357, and to my knowledge, Glock is the only firearms manufacturer that does. Though Glock is my go-to 357 platform, I do enjory shooting my SIG 1911, 357, from time to time.
By chance do you have the lot number to that 125 hst? I’d like to see what age it is it looks to be the same box as mine but it could be 10 years apart in date
Two thoughts about this test. One is how well the HST performed without fragmenting even at this extreme velocity. Two this velocity is faster that what Underwood is currently getting with their 125 gr 357 Sig rounds! Also good to see that G31!
Thank you!! It's been fun so far. I will have a bunch of tests coming up in both length barrels. I was pretty surprised too with the velocity. Nice an spicy🌶. Plenty more to come😁👍
AZairgunner thanks for another great video yet again sir. My favorite ones on here. I find the especially interesting as my EDC is a Glock 33 gen4. I'm a big fan of the 357 Sig,but just recently shit a G33 and got one this month. I'm a firm believer in shot placement and there is no death ray magic one shot stop and the bad guy is instantly dead bullet.i think all of the service calibers work if you do your part. However I'll also say that some work better than others,no doubt of this And as your videos show,along with lots of other data to back this up too. I think a lot of it like much else in life it comes down to feelings and justifying our choices to others and even ourselves at times. The same applies to handgun calibers too shy is my choice as good or better than yours? And yadda yadda. Shoot it's no different with sports teams And even spouses too. Your videos do a great job of demonstrating bullet performance in ballistics gel. As to the 9mm doing what the 357 Sig does just as well? No it doesn't sorry to those who believe otherwise,but it just isn't the case. Again all one has to do is watch your videos to see this. Is the 9mm a good round and the HST is a great bullet design? Absolutely. Did the 9mm +p perform well,yup would I carry this round? Yup I do And will I'n a kahr PM9 when my Glock 33 is to big. Would Zi want to take a 9mm +p or not? No! Does that mean it's as good as the 357 Sig? Again no it's not. I think what a lot of people don't realize is that even out of a Glock 33 a 357 Sig still best most 9mm +p or not or 9mm +p+ even out of a fullsize gun. Besides this and the damage 357 Sig does to the gel and the numbers don't lie. KE on teget is KE on target. And as another person commented most people carrying a 9mm sub compact gun aren't carrying+p ammo. This matters too, because when the 9mm has to be pushed to +p+ levels and at that out of a fullsize gun to just begin to approach bottom of the barrel 357 Sig performance,well again sir we know where this goes. And again this is from somehow owns and has carried guns in 9mm,40,tacp etc. I'm not a basher of the 9mm in fact I like it a lot more than my 40,I like my 357 Sig more than both the 9mm or 40. But they all work. Keep up the great.videos sir. I appreciate your efforts a great deal And enjoy your work.
ammo prices are stupid anymore, I saw that sticker. I started getting it online, the retail stores and gun shops at least where I live charge nearly twice what I get the same thing for online. my local gun dealer wanted 50 for 50 fmj target rounds in 45acp. that's a big negative vector 1. I watched the last test, I was impressed with the 9mm plus p plus 124 gr I believe it was. I like 357 sig to, never shot that one. it's like a big Tokarev, and I like Tokarev pistols. what kind of gel are you using and what's the density?
I would like to add that I love 9mm, I shoot my g17 more than any pistol I have. Price of ammo . I think if .357 sig was marketed as .357 auto, or 9mm mag, or even 9mm plus, or something like that. It would have been more popular.
Unfortunately the .357 SIG was designed when the FBI an many Law enforcement agencies were moving away from the 9mm after the Miami shooting. Together with the .40 S&W which was developt a short time before that. So calling it "9" would have chased many people away at that time. And because the 125 grain SIG was designed to Mimik the exact same performance of a 125 grain Magnum from a typical 4" revolver barrel but as a pistol round, They called it .357 to show everyone: "Hey we are definitely NO 9mm bro, you can trust us. Were powerful enough for you." So the choose that name .357 And to show the world that SIG Sauer was developing the round. The just put SIG at the end. Like Smith and Wesson did with the .40. Hence .357 SIG 😊
Great caliber. Just remember that practice >is greater than caliber. And it's almost impossible to find .357 sig ammo. Hence, .357 IS more powerful but reality in daily life favors the 9mm. Having said this, if you can find lots of range ammo for your .357 sig and actually practice. MORE POWER to you. 😊
I carrying a 9 mm and love it! The 357 sig is so fast. The best 9 mm load that gets 1500 fps is underwood extreme defender 90 gr +p+. I would love to see the 357 sig underwood extreme defender +p+. 🤯
I agree 357 sig will destroy 9mm in a 1” barrel . 357 sig all day above 9mm and that’s with sig mildly loaded . I agree 100% 357sig is a fantastic loading . I love the comparisons that the 9mm fan boys try to come up with . It’s like comparing 10 mm to 44 Mag . Hell a 357 mag heavy load and 41 mag destroys a 10 mm .
The 9mm club is just butt hurt they can’t handle the recoil of a manly cartridge like the 357sig so they try to justify it any way they can. Anyways you did a great job as always!
Here are mine : G26 Gen 5 MOS with Hornady Critical Defense 115gr + G34 Gen 5 MOS with Hornady XTP 147gr + G31 Gen 4 with Federal Personal Defense HST 125gr
I like these comparison vids but it doesn't really matter the power difference if you get hit with eather one in the head or heart. Shoot it with a .22 and see all the figure 8's you get now that's damage
People don't know the 357 sig is more powerful than the 9mm, but has similar felt recoil, because of the of the bullet casing design, neck down 357 dig bullet casing
357 sig is more powerfull than the 9 mm. OK. But, how much power do you need to dispatch a human? I would say that, if you get hit with a 9mm bullet, you may stop what you are trying to do!
There is no "done it wrong" when you are making the video. A viewer that dont like it, should just click away. A piece of me dies every time i hear "1250 fps is full power 10mm" when any projectile under 200gr is being discussed. I dont throw a tantrum, I click off and go somewhere else. Same when velocity is measured by manufacturer out of a specific barrel legnth, a channel tests with a significantly shorter barrel and says "falls short of advertised velocity", insanity to me. 😂
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I love .357 sig, I carry a glock g31 every day. I understood what you were trying to show. I hope all the 9mm fan boy's stop saying 9mm is just as effective as .357 sig. Thanks for the video.
Thank you I appreciate it!! I hope it get across now lol. Big difference. Thanks for checkin this one out buddy!!
That POS at lucky Gunner is helping to trash the 357sig with his bullshit video saying 9mm is better.
Absolutely
I shoot 9mm, I'm a smaller dude at 5'6. that is impressive damage, the 357. I would be curious to see accuracy test on a moving target, would say 3 rounds hit from a 9mm be more damage than a single 357? I'm not a 9mm fan boy I grew up on 357, but now that I'm married, I want my fiance to be able to handle the firearms I keep around.
9mm is just as effective as 357 sig
I'm a retired police firearms instructor, and I understood the previous video. I carry a glock 33 as my edc. You're doing a good job
Thank you very much I really do appreciate it!! Great choice too💪💯. Thank you for checkin this one out!!
I love the .357SIG. That stretch cavity is NUTS. I read comments from Lucky Gunner when he was dismissing the .357SIG when he claimed that a temporary wound cavity didn't mean much and that 9mm was equivalent to .357SIG. My question then is the same as now. I want someone to explain to me how all of that energy (that is evident from that stretch cavity) is not that big of a deal. You can't convince me that internal organs being pushed 3 inches by that kind of pressure is not that big of a deal. Results like this are why I carry a SIG P-229 in .357SIG every day.
That is what I was thinking when I saw that presentation. It carried nearly double the energy. It doesn't do the same amount of damage. Yes, some tissue is tough. Some is very delicate. I carry an H&K P2000. The same model in 9mm only carries one more round. I'll stick with 357 Sig.
Heck yeah!! Same here. It's a awesome round!! I actually saw that too when he did it. Thanks for checkin it out. I was very surprised on how well it did and the different. Pretty cool. There is definitely a significance. Those who know, know💪💯
Same here.
SIG Sauer P229 EDC 125 grain JHP. With a second one as reserve.
And two other guns bought as used in .357 SIG for the distant future when spare parts of my beloved 229 run out, because nobody exact Glock is producing guns in .357 SIG anymore 😢😢
@@ax.f-1256I emailed sig and told them basically they were trash for no longer supporting 357sig.
I’m with you. I’ve carried the Sig Sauer P-229 357 SIG as my EDC since 1996. I dabbled with 40 S&W and 9 mm, but always came back home to my P229 357 Sig year round. I love the P229 so much, I have a factory new unfired P229 Enhanced Elite 357 Sig in my collection. I’ll probably die of old age before I get the chance to carry it. The 357 Sig just gives me a tremendous amount of confidence to stop any threat effectively. My 357 Sig carry ammo of choice is primarily Underwood 125 grain and secondary, Federal HST 125 grain.
Man that 357 sig was screaming fast man can’t wait to see this series continue 357 sig is a nasty round
Thanks buddy!! I was definitely surprised on those numbers too. Wasn't expecting that at all. I have a ton to test, so plenty more to come😁👍
Fun fact, this test is even skewed towards 9x19, as this is a 9x19 +P
The majority of people running 9, especially out of compacts, are using standard power. Then we are talking 300 ft-lb vs 550ft-lb. Physics is real
Yessir💪💯. Thank you!!
You now have no choice but to test all .357 SIG defensive loadings and crown a winner 👍
Yes he should retest all of the 357sig with the Glock 31...
I'd love to see Ranger T tested from the short barrel.
@@Lexicologist1971 Testing the 31 vs 33 would be perfect.
I can definitely do that!! Would be more than happy to😁👍 plenty to come.
@@kevinrichardson8859 Oh yeah I can definitely do that💪💯
What people don’t realize is that flesh is elastic and can “absorb” energy. This energy threshold is broken at a minimum of about 2,000 feet per second. No handgun can send a pill going that fast. Temporary cavity size doesn’t matter as much as the flesh returns back to its original state without much damage due to elasticity. The permanent cavity from a .357 and a .38 bullet is indistinguishable.
TL;DR: All handgun rounds will perform the same on a human being due to flesh elasticity. The only measurable difference is the size of the permanent cavity.
Excellent, thanks! I have no issue carrying 9mm, 40SW, 357Sig or even 380Auto or 357Mag. The issue is understanding the characteristics of the round you’re using however there can be no doubt that 357Sig is more powerful than 9mm. The 9mm fanboys need to give up on the nonsense!
I think most people don't understand that Sig made the cartridge to perform out of a 3.9" p229. While I like to see any .357 Sig content I think it is misunderstood as a short barrel performer.
Excellent use of light in the video, good information, and the reason I switched to .357 Sig when I was given the option at work.
Thank you very much I appreciate it!! I have to much fun making em😁
Wow, even more dramatic difference. The 357 Sig still rocks! Keep up the great work on these videos sir. You keep making them and I’ll keep watching them.
Thank you very much!! Definitely more to come. I appreciate the support buddy!!
These are the most eye opening comparisons on yt. All The 9mm hype train passengers need to watch these. Great job sir🤙👌👍
Thank you so much I really appreciate it!!
I only went 9mm because the gons are cheaper and the round is cheaper to buy. Having to buy an entire case of new ammo gets pricey when you also buy a new gon
.357 Sig .. Ride The Lightning ⚡️
💪😁⚡️
.357 SIG is awesome!
Definitely💪💯
I see a whole bunch of 357 Glock comments, so I just wanted to show my love for the M&P 357 Sig!🔥
More total 357 sig dominance!! Vs the weaker girl caliber 9mm, absolutely smoked it, great video!
With over 600 ft/lbs of energy I think it's safe to say it's smoking 40sw & 45acp as well ...rivaling 10mm!!!
Thank you very much I appreciate it!! Was a fun one to do 💪
@@kevinrichardson8859 Absolutely. I tested the sig v-crown in 10mm not to long ago. It was definitely a full power load at 180gr and 1300fps getting the same exact energy ft/lbs as this test. Pretty cool to see.
@Lou V44, every time a round gets outperformed by something it becomes a ''wimpy round'' - Just like when a fighter who's been undefeated for years & years & years gets dominated in the ring / cage one day, it's "Oh, I guess he's not that tough after all.'' The 9mm is still a very formidable caliber, and I'm not just saying that because I have one I have one because it's true, but the .357 Sig is one of the elite calibers as far as hand guns go, the 9 is in the very good but not great category. I do trust it to come through however.
@@bluracer766 357 sig drops bad guys and I don’t know about you but I enjoy life so when it comes to preserving life you want every percentage available in your favor so you can keep your 9 and the 2000 videos on RUclips of bad guys eating 9mm rounds like candy and still shooting back and I will protect my one life with 357 nasty
Wow!! Just ordered my Glock 32. Great Video...
I love my G32. I have G19, G17, G20, G23 and G26. I love the G19 and G32 the best
Thank you!! U will enjoy it. Lmk how it shoots when u get it😁
@@michaelwallace4043 I also have a G19 and was on the fence for awhile, but this .357 Sig test pushed me way over!!
@@woody2727 Plus,
You can convert the G32 to a 40 cal with a Barrel change
Out.
You’ll love it, my EDC
You proved exactly what you intended to prove in the last video. The same people are going to say this test is invalid because bullets didn't weigh the same, even though the 357 was only 1/7000 lb heavier.
Yeah I figured that much lol. Thank you for understanding and checkin it out. Was still a fun one😁
Don't sweat the critics. All you can be expected to do is what you have at your disposal. If folk have a complaint they can either invest in the time, energy, materials, money & resources and make their own vid or they can donate a gun for the test.
Content & channel are a real asset. Thanks a bundle.
Thank you!! I absolutely agree💯. Always appreciate ur comments and feedback my friend. Always very positive. Thank you again😁👍
Once again great test! Keep rocking out.
Thank you appreciate it!!
Almighty 357 SIG! But, Gotta love the 9 too though.. Its vital to know what ammo your running through your EDC.
Yessir, they both did awesome. 9mm was definitely a spicy🌶 one too. I like em all lol
Love that Great Information and Such great Video of the Gel Test . THANK YOU !
Thank you very much!! Glad u enjoyed it. I appreciate u checkin it out!!
Fantastic performance from both. 357 Sig still amazing, I believe there bullet construction is different to withstand the higher velocity
Holy mother of Jesus! Now thats impressive!
💪Thanks for checkin this one out buddy!!
Great test again. The 9mm HST represents it's full potential well. But the 357 Sig is obviously a good bit more powerful. Good show. Appreciate you being willing to invest & endeavor for the tests.
Thank you sir!! It was cool to see both at full potential out of the full size. That 9 is no slouch but like u said the sig is on a whole nother level. I had a lot of fun making it and I try to keep interesting. I don't mind the negative feedback that some put, but I had to show once and for all the absolute difference in the two, regardless of barrel length. Was impressive. Plenty more to come my friend. Thanks as always!!
I too carry a 357sig. Love the videos!
Is that velocity correct on the Federal HST?
I use the Underwood125gr Bonded Gold Dot and from the newer ones I have I’m not getting near that velocity, not even getting rated sometimes. Sig P320 full-size 4.7” barrel. I’d love to see a five round average on the Federal HST 357sig.
Keep those videos coming!
That is a great every day carry love, the 357 Sig and I understood what you were saying in the other video other people don’t comprehend as well.
Thank you!! I appreciate u sticking around and checking this one out. Guess we can't satisfy everyone lol. Thanks again buddy!!
Thanks, man. I appreciate you for doing this.
Thank you, I appreciate u checkin it out😁!!
357 sig loaded to original specs is hands down more powerful but 9mm is still a very good carry round. its an individual choice
This is a fantastic video, like all of yours, and it is so nice to see the counterpoints to the 9mm bandwagon's maligning of the .357 Sig! Also, thanks for demonstrating how fast that factory HST is, I had no idea even the boutiques were pushing .357 Sig this fast! I handload mine, and even with a quite mild, by-the-book load, that produces only 34,000 psi, I get 125gr Gold Dots at 1,525fps and TMJ/FMJ of the same weight at 1,535fps. The extreme spread on those is only 5fps for the highest-varying load (only 3fps with the Gold Dots), and once I cracked 1,500fps, I stopped there, closer to the minimum powder charge with 800-X than the max (obvious disclaimer, work up loads properly in your gun and always follow book data), since that was all I need. It is good to know that these ATK (the parent company of Federal and Speer) projectiles can perform well even faster, though, so I may need to push it a bit!
Thank you very much I appreciate that!! Glad u are enjoying them😁.
.357 sig FTW! Nice video!
💪💯. Thank you, I appreciate u checkin it out!!
I would think a 357 frangible round would make an absolutely horrific permanent cavity...
A+ brother you've settled it for me, I didn't know if I wanted the 32 or the 31
The new hunting pistol??! Nice! Congrats brother!
I'm thinking about it. It would definitely be a good choice. Either that or the 10mm. Thanks bro!!
I carry a Glock 32C with Gold Dot, big fan of the videos. Obviously the .357 Sig has appreciably more energy, but it still amazes me how effective the 9mm Gold Dot was. I think with quality modern ammunition, the cartridge debate largely falls to preference and application- these are both very effective!
Really enjoying the videos . Just love seeing those 9mm paraplegic killers.
Thank you, I appreciate it. Plenty more to come. Love the 357 sig💪💯
I understood the point you were trying to make!
Thank you!! There were a few that didn't get it lol.
Great video I was able to really see the difference in both rounds 357 sig is great
You are the MAN! Nice video!
Thank you sir, I appreciate it😁👍💯
I own both calibers...I'm not delusional and I know that a 9 just isn't as powerful as a 357. I like them both but I know the 357 outshines in everyway (except ammo cost). Thanks for the test!
yay for more testing ...
Thanks for checkin it out my friend!!
Anybody that knows barrel lengths and calibers knew what you were going for last video.
Thank you, there was a lot that didn't get it at all lol.
357sig for the win baby! Love my H&K VP40 / 357sig.
Excellent test.
Thank you, I appreciate u checkin it out!!
I'm dying to see what the Remington Golden Saber bonded will do from the 4.6" Glock 31 barrel.
[edit to add]
The .357 temporary stretch cavity actually fractured the block! You may need to mold larger blocks LoL
I'd like to see what it would do out of a 31 as well.. I have all 3..the 31. 32..& 33 but carry the 32.. so curious to see how the golden saber performs as well as I prefer the tougher brass bullet..357sig is a BEAST
Seriously, right. Might have to do that 😆. I will put that one on the top of the list for ya and get it done. I will do a short vs long barrel test on it.
@@kevinrichardson8859 Yessir, I will get that one going next time out so we can see how it does.
@@AzAirgunner.
I'm using a Sig P320 with 4.7" barrel and would probably have similar velocities.
It's hard to pick just one load for the .357 Sig because they're all so good
The 357 SIG is my favorite handgun cartridge, and I cannot understand why it did not get the recognition and popularity that it deserved. Perhaps, it was due to the 40 S&W having a four year headstart in the police market. Ironically, the 40 has also entered it's twilight years. It's crazy that SIG no longer produces a gun chambered in 357, and to my knowledge, Glock is the only firearms manufacturer that does. Though Glock is my go-to 357 platform, I do enjory shooting my SIG 1911, 357, from time to time.
By chance do you have the lot number to that 125 hst? I’d like to see what age it is it looks to be the same box as mine but it could be 10 years apart in date
Yessir I do. I will send it to ya for sure!!
Very good video!!!
Thank you very much!!
Well done video
Two thoughts about this test. One is how well the HST performed without fragmenting even at this extreme velocity. Two this velocity is faster that what Underwood is currently getting with their 125 gr 357 Sig rounds! Also good to see that G31!
Thank you!! It's been fun so far. I will have a bunch of tests coming up in both length barrels. I was pretty surprised too with the velocity. Nice an spicy🌶. Plenty more to come😁👍
AZairgunner thanks for another great video yet again sir. My favorite ones on here. I find the especially interesting as my EDC is a Glock 33 gen4. I'm a big fan of the 357 Sig,but just recently shit a G33 and got one this month.
I'm a firm believer in shot placement and there is no death ray magic one shot stop and the bad guy is instantly dead bullet.i think all of the service calibers work if you do your part. However I'll also say that some work better than others,no doubt of this And as your videos show,along with lots of other data to back this up too. I think a lot of it like much else in life it comes down to feelings and justifying our choices to others and even ourselves at times.
The same applies to handgun calibers too shy is my choice as good or better than yours? And yadda yadda. Shoot it's no different with sports teams And even spouses too. Your videos do a great job of demonstrating bullet performance in ballistics gel.
As to the 9mm doing what the 357 Sig does just as well? No it doesn't sorry to those who believe otherwise,but it just isn't the case. Again all one has to do is watch your videos to see this. Is the 9mm a good round and the HST is a great bullet design? Absolutely. Did the 9mm +p perform well,yup would I carry this round? Yup I do And will I'n a kahr PM9 when my Glock 33 is to big. Would Zi want to take a 9mm +p or not? No!
Does that mean it's as good as the 357 Sig? Again no it's not. I think what a lot of people don't realize is that even out of a Glock 33 a 357 Sig still best most 9mm +p or not or 9mm +p+ even out of a fullsize gun. Besides this and the damage 357 Sig does to the gel and the numbers don't lie. KE on teget is KE on target. And as another person commented most people carrying a 9mm sub compact gun aren't carrying+p ammo. This matters too, because when the 9mm has to be pushed to +p+ levels and at that out of a fullsize gun to just begin to approach bottom of the barrel 357 Sig performance,well again sir we know where this goes. And again this is from somehow owns and has carried guns in 9mm,40,tacp etc. I'm not a basher of the 9mm in fact I like it a lot more than my 40,I like my 357 Sig more than both the 9mm or 40. But they all work. Keep up the great.videos sir. I appreciate your efforts a great deal And enjoy your work.
I carry a Glock 32 in .357 sig. I normally use Federal tactical HST ammo, but I have also used Underwood. Both perform well.
The 357 sig vs 9mm
Is the same thing as the 10mm vs 40cal.
i also carry Glock 33....dont wanna miss it! perfect for self defence & hunting back up in one piece!
ammo prices are stupid anymore, I saw that sticker. I started getting it online, the retail stores and gun shops at least where I live charge nearly twice what I get the same thing for online. my local gun dealer wanted 50 for 50 fmj target rounds in 45acp. that's a big negative vector 1. I watched the last test, I was impressed with the 9mm plus p plus 124 gr I believe it was. I like 357 sig to, never shot that one. it's like a big Tokarev, and I like Tokarev pistols. what kind of gel are you using and what's the density?
Wow the 357 sig is awesome .. I still like The 9 mm hst which is no slouch either 👍🏼
All kinds of comments from the what if brigade huh cuz?!
There's always one😂
I would like to add that I love 9mm, I shoot my g17 more than any pistol I have. Price of ammo . I think if .357 sig was marketed as .357 auto, or 9mm mag, or even 9mm plus, or something like that. It would have been more popular.
Totally agree. Thanks again😁👍
Unfortunately the .357 SIG was designed when the FBI an many Law enforcement agencies were moving away from the 9mm after the Miami shooting.
Together with the .40 S&W which was developt a short time before that.
So calling it "9" would have chased many people away at that time.
And because the 125 grain SIG was designed to Mimik the exact same performance of a 125 grain Magnum from a typical 4" revolver barrel but as a pistol round, They called it .357 to show everyone:
"Hey we are definitely NO 9mm bro, you can trust us. Were powerful enough for you."
So the choose that name .357
And to show the world that SIG Sauer was developing the round. The just put SIG at the end. Like Smith and Wesson did with the .40.
Hence .357 SIG 😊
Great caliber. Just remember that practice >is greater than caliber. And it's almost impossible to find .357 sig ammo.
Hence, .357 IS more powerful but reality in daily life favors the 9mm.
Having said this, if you can find lots of range ammo for your .357 sig and actually practice. MORE POWER to you.
😊
What would you say is the best carry ammo or the hottest for the 357sig is
I carrying a 9 mm and love it! The 357 sig is so fast. The best 9 mm load that gets 1500 fps is underwood extreme defender 90 gr +p+. I would love to see the 357 sig underwood extreme defender +p+. 🤯
Underwood 68 +p 9 mil 1800 fps
People who say "There is nothing 9mm +P won't do that 357S will" need to watch thins and rethink.
Good stuff
357 Sig is a beast
I agree 357 sig will destroy 9mm in a 1” barrel . 357 sig all day above 9mm and that’s with sig mildly loaded . I agree 100% 357sig is a fantastic loading . I love the comparisons that the 9mm fan boys try to come up with . It’s like comparing 10 mm to 44 Mag . Hell a 357 mag heavy load and 41 mag destroys a 10 mm .
The 9mm club is just butt hurt they can’t handle the recoil of a manly cartridge like the 357sig so they try to justify it any way they can. Anyways you did a great job as always!
Here are mine :
G26 Gen 5 MOS with Hornady Critical Defense 115gr
+
G34 Gen 5 MOS with Hornady XTP 147gr
+
G31 Gen 4 with Federal Personal Defense HST 125gr
It doesn’t matter if it’s a short barrel or a full size.357 sig will always out preform a 9mm ,it’s just common sense
It really is and does. Totally agree. Some ppl just don't understand🤔. Thanks buddy!!
I like these comparison vids but it doesn't really matter the power difference if you get hit with eather one in the head or heart. Shoot it with a .22 and see all the figure 8's you get now that's damage
I would rather carry 357 Sig, but all my various employers require more "conventional" rounds such as 9mm.
People don't know the 357 sig is more powerful than the 9mm, but has similar felt recoil, because of the of the bullet casing design, neck down 357 dig bullet casing
That makes no sense.
Thinking of getting the Glock 33 and swapping in a KKM barrel.
That would be a nice setup. Lmk how it goes if u end up getting it.
@@AzAirgunner.Ended up getting a Glock 31, looking to get a 5" barrel for it.
I carry G35 with 5.32" barrel in 357sig everyday.
How did the 9mm +P recoil compare to the 357sig?
It's not to much more, specially out of the full size. U can definitely tell ur shooting something spicy though but very manageable.
9mm gets embarrassed once again.
Well same bullet different grain charge and casing so yeah would be a bit more damage...i like all things 9mm!
1243fps ain't bad at all for a +P 9mm from a major mfr. that would be a pretty effective round at that energy
Yeah it really was a spicy🌶 one. Not too bad at all. Thanks for checkin it out😁👍
Love my Glock 32 !!!
357SIGは僅かに弾数を犠牲にしても、得られる威力の方が遥かに大きいから357SIGがベストでしょうな。
それか9㎜の＋P＋でも、銃器本体が357SIGに耐えられる強度だから問題ないでしょう。
40S&Wや400corbonならまだ候補になるけど、45ACPは無いでしょう！
弾速遅くて(エネルギー値が低い)弾数も少ないと、時代遅れ感に充ちてます。
Sooo… You have 9mm fanboi’s in denial? Color me shocked. 🙄😆
😄😂
357 sig is more powerfull than the 9 mm. OK. But, how much power do you need to dispatch a human? I would say that, if you get hit with a 9mm bullet, you may stop what you are trying to do!
357 will always be better that's a fact 😂
There is no "done it wrong" when you are making the video. A viewer that dont like it, should just click away. A piece of me dies every time i hear "1250 fps is full power 10mm" when any projectile under 200gr is being discussed. I dont throw a tantrum, I click off and go somewhere else. Same when velocity is measured by manufacturer out of a specific barrel legnth, a channel tests with a significantly shorter barrel and says "falls short of advertised velocity", insanity to me. 😂
Man i love me some HST!