I think people thought Mariah was an Mezzo-Soprano in the beg of her career because of her inconsistent high belting and it made her seem like an untrained singer. When in reality I think she was still trying to understand her voice because during 1990-1992 she didn't know what her voice was capable of doing at the time. So she was just an untrained Soprano. But during the musicbox tour era she finally took the time off and found out and tried more things with her voice and experimented with it. And she finally knew how to use it. And you can tell she wasn't a Mezzo because Mezzos don't usually belt consistently F5s/F#5s/G5s all the time. It's rare for Mezzos to do what Mariah does so to call her an Mezzo is outrageous. Mariah had ease on her F#5s in 1993-1995/6. So that's why I think she's not a Mezzo-Soprano. And people say she's a mezzo because she can't sustain F5s and G5s when honestly it's not because she can't it's because she just doesn't want to. Thank you for listening.
Plus maintains those belts that high are not really palatable in pop songs and don’t really sell like that tbh. But nobody ready to talk about that business side yet!🫢
the old mariah or the new mariah is not a mezzo, people kept thinking her voice is damaged but the truth is, her nodules can change in size from time time, because she sounded better in 2003 & 2010 & 2016 than she did in 1998, those years her voice was like a mature version of the 90s and she was on fire! and her 2014 album proves that shes always had the same vocal range, i think she sings certain songs in a lower key to preserve her voice, because this video proves she was definitely pushing her upper belts in her debut, you could hear the strain
For me she was soprano, she told us that she had a very low register, but not, she have a good technique for to get them, but you are not soprano because of the highs or the lows, it is more related of where does your voice resonate the most, where the color is more rich, and her low tones are mostly air.
I don‘t see where this video “proves“ anything. She‘s belting Eb5 and F5 or F#5, nothing a mezzo can‘t do. Her comfort range at her best is E/F3 - Bb5. Her singing in full voice stop being consistent and balanced above Bb5. From B5 and above she will use whistle or a thin, baby-like head voice in the B5-D6 area (with not much dynamic control). In the 90‘s she will not even dare to go up there live. Her voice (like Whitney’s, Celine’s, Lara’s or Beyoncé’s and Christina‘s) start to sound high at Eb/E5, which is where the mezzo’s passagio into the upper range is. Sopranos like Sohyang, Labelle or Franklin start sounding high at F#/G5, which is where the soprano passagio is. Mariah writes her songs, she knows where her forte is and she NEVER wrote a song that has a soprano tessitura or climax - F5-C6 or above. Vision of Love has a typically mezzo range. She spends a lot of time in the low, middle-low register and the highest note in FULL voice is a G5 either in belt or head voice (the head voice flip on „SWEET destiny“). The connected upper range of her highest songs stops at F#/G5 : Emotions, If It’s Over, AYNAF, Outside, You’re So Cold. The A/Bb5 in Dreamlover can be tricky and even in the Daydream era, she will always dodge Fantasy’s Bb5, B5 and C6. Strange for someone who is supposed to sing up to F6 or above in full voice…
@@r.uwamhenye8282 She was a light, high mezzo, so her voice was not going to be contralto deep in the lower register. One of her passagi is C5?! Could you explain? Also, I don’t see how her maxing out at Eb5 is supposed to make her a soprano. Like I said all her song have a mezzo tessitura and range in full voice. She never wrote a song where she phrases in the F5 - C6 area or above in a connected voice. She’s also very comfortable in the D3 - C4 region. A soprano would not have that ease down there.
@@r.uwamhenye8282 some of the belts are not pulled from her debut, it is just more effort. It is very difficult to belt an F5 with chest M1 coordination. she is just showing you that it is difficult. Further, she is using a half metal style belt in some of the belts you called pulled and the ones that you think are better she is using a neutral style.....nothing is really wrong with some of them, not tattou of course because tattoo undubbed is bad. on the mezzo or soprano she never was a mezzo even now. sHE IS JUST A DAMAGED SOPRANO
@@odumosuolusegun2781 THANK U. I’m always so impressed when people label most of Mariah’s debut belts as strained when in a regular basis they’re good or just tense (not saying she didn’t have vasalva moments, but that flaw wasn’t as common in her as people say)
Yeah I agree she Was Contralto or Mezzo but Contralto Or Mezzo with Dolphin or Bird 🐦 LOL 😂 she always True Light Lirico Coloratura Soprano Of Pop ❤ Always Light Soprano ❤❤❤
Gurl get ur facts right Minnie never had nodules neither does Ariana and Mariah never wanted surgery bc she was scared they’d botch it and it’d ruin her voice permanently
@@motivateprofit she’s a soprano. Just not a light-lyric Yes she probably became a mezzo because her voice got deeper in like her 40’s and her lack of range as she grew due to pore habits etc.. but for the most part she’s a soprano.
Say what you want *these* notes were *TICKING* she’s *NOT* a *NATURAL* soprano. Everything above a C5 is forced, pushed and taxing. Most of those notes she *CAN’T* hit no more. *CONSISTENTLY* however, I believe she can still hit a C5
ouuu why had i never seen this video. black music archive for example (ex i love aretha franklin) believes mariah (even aretha!!) to be mezzo. and his opinion is partly based on climaxes..tbh we hold sopranos to a high standard. those standards shouldn’t be applied to contemporary mainstream sopranos (something he acknowledges). ok he is right mariah might have sung like a mezzo throughout her career but a soprano doesn’t have to sing above G5 all the time to be a soprano. it would have been nice to hear mariah sing above G5 once tho, she was able to do it 🥲
Why do you guys always think blackmusicarchive believe that mariah or aretha is a mezzo.they are a mezzo.hes not just give ridiculous claim about their voices like you or even this RUclips channel who gave everything based on your logical thinking and stupid claims while with blackmusicarchive he find knowledgeable people in terms of singing and music not based on his stupid logic or what.He Provide you the information you need not the information you want😂😂😂
The reasons why Mariah or whitney or even celine they can't sing above G5 all the time because that's not where their voices feel most comfortable singing.thats why they didn't go there not because they didn't have to go there to be a soprano they are not soprano easy.and if mariah can go above G5 why can't she do it once two times in her entire career?she should have to do it if she can?because she can't and she isn't that type of voices that's why she didn't bother to go there.one more thing which soprano complain that their songs were toooo high if they are a sopranos?that would be weird and will disqualify her for being that voice type so stop saying that she is a soprano she is a mezzo and if she is a soprano she should be able to sing like sohyang or patti because at the end of the day they are all the same voice type and they can do the same thing by your logic right?
@@rezaariel8406 baby it’s just a note that doesn’t define their voice types Whitney could do high G’s consistently w vibrato in her prime due to her high voice and Mariah can’t do the same since in her prime she was a low sop
@@r.uwamhenye8282it's also define whether they feel comfortable on those note or not you said Whitney is comfortable on her prime hitting G5s????that G5 that you said she hit was only the i am changing performance and that's only ONE performance i wouldn't call that consistent if she just pop out the note in just one or two performances or she suddenly being able to sing those note for only that year and suddenly on the other next year she can't do them that's not consistent and during her prime she only comfortable below those notes watch all of her performances from 83 to 89 she always comfortable below G5 wkwkwk now tell me if she feel comfortable hitting that G5 why did she lip sync the SO EMOTIONAL performance and the i am your baby tonight performance and she still in her prime?😂😂😂and for your informantion F5 and G5 wasn't really high for real sopranos and their high notes is just getting start from those two notes while with whitney,Mariah or celine all these E,F or G sound like a high notes already for them so no they are all mezzos😂and lower the key for most of their songs is the sign they didn't feel comfortable to sing on the key for the songs that have been written for them so which soprano complain and had trouble to sing in the original key for most of their songs?you need to answer me this one first.i don't want to hear they got into tour or preserve their voices because Patti and sohyang also does tour but they never lower the key for all of their songs
Gosh she sounds so superb! Going from belt to whistle and back belt is so hard! I love her hero performance so much!
Ikr😍😍
I think people thought Mariah was an Mezzo-Soprano in the beg of her career because of her inconsistent high belting and it made her seem like an untrained singer. When in reality I think she was still trying to understand her voice because during 1990-1992 she didn't know what her voice was capable of doing at the time. So she was just an untrained Soprano. But during the musicbox tour era she finally took the time off and found out and tried more things with her voice and experimented with it. And she finally knew how to use it. And you can tell she wasn't a Mezzo because Mezzos don't usually belt consistently F5s/F#5s/G5s all the time. It's rare for Mezzos to do what Mariah does so to call her an Mezzo is outrageous. Mariah had ease on her F#5s in 1993-1995/6. So that's why I think she's not a Mezzo-Soprano. And people say she's a mezzo because she can't sustain F5s and G5s when honestly it's not because she can't it's because she just doesn't want to. Thank you for listening.
I sat here and read every single word and I agree
@@r.uwamhenye8282 Thank you. I tried to explain at my best.
@@whitneyhouston1122 no prob I agreed w everything
@@r.uwamhenye8282 Thank youuuuu.
Plus maintains those belts that high are not really palatable in pop songs and don’t really sell like that tbh. But nobody ready to talk about that business side yet!🫢
the old mariah or the new mariah is not a mezzo, people kept thinking her voice is damaged but the truth is, her nodules can change in size from time time, because she sounded better in 2003 & 2010 & 2016 than she did in 1998, those years her voice was like a mature version of the 90s and she was on fire! and her 2014 album proves that shes always had the same vocal range, i think she sings certain songs in a lower key to preserve her voice, because this video proves she was definitely pushing her upper belts in her debut, you could hear the strain
So true ❤
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For me she was soprano, she told us that she had a very low register, but not, she have a good technique for to get them, but you are not soprano because of the highs or the lows, it is more related of where does your voice resonate the most, where the color is more rich, and her low tones are mostly air.
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They want to claim mariah as mezzo but would shut up when it comes to studio belting
Literally
I don‘t see where this video “proves“ anything. She‘s belting Eb5 and F5 or F#5, nothing a mezzo can‘t do. Her comfort range at her best is E/F3 - Bb5. Her singing in full voice stop being consistent and balanced above Bb5. From B5 and above she will use whistle or a thin, baby-like head voice in the B5-D6 area (with not much dynamic control). In the 90‘s she will not even dare to go up there live.
Her voice (like Whitney’s, Celine’s, Lara’s or Beyoncé’s and Christina‘s) start to sound high at Eb/E5, which is where the mezzo’s passagio into the upper range is. Sopranos like Sohyang, Labelle or Franklin start sounding high at F#/G5, which is where the soprano passagio is.
Mariah writes her songs, she knows where her forte is and she NEVER wrote a song that has a soprano tessitura or climax - F5-C6 or above. Vision of Love has a typically mezzo range. She spends a lot of time in the low, middle-low register and the highest note in FULL voice is a G5 either in belt or head voice (the head voice flip on „SWEET destiny“). The connected upper range of her highest songs stops at F#/G5 : Emotions, If It’s Over, AYNAF, Outside, You’re So Cold. The A/Bb5 in Dreamlover can be tricky and even in the Daydream era, she will always dodge Fantasy’s Bb5, B5 and C6. Strange for someone who is supposed to sing up to F6 or above in full voice…
U do realise she maxed out at Eb5 and one of her passagi is C5 which indicates soprano territory and her lows didn’t have the weight of a mezzo’s
@@r.uwamhenye8282 She was a light, high mezzo, so her voice was not going to be contralto deep in the lower register. One of her passagi is C5?! Could you explain? Also, I don’t see how her maxing out at Eb5 is supposed to make her a soprano. Like I said all her song have a mezzo tessitura and range in full voice. She never wrote a song where she phrases in the F5 - C6 area or above in a connected voice. She’s also very comfortable in the D3 - C4 region. A soprano would not have that ease down there.
@@theeagleofbavaria a light high mezzo isn’t a thing??
@@theeagleofbavaria there are many trained sopranos who can have amazing lower registers for example beyonce
@@theeagleofbavaria she doesn’t have to write a song in that area to show she’s a soprano?
Of course she wasn't a mezzo!!!
Exactly
@@r.uwamhenye8282 some of the belts are not pulled from her debut, it is just more effort. It is very difficult to belt an F5 with chest M1 coordination. she is just showing you that it is difficult. Further, she is using a half metal style belt in some of the belts you called pulled and the ones that you think are better she is using a neutral style.....nothing is really wrong with some of them, not tattou of course because tattoo undubbed is bad.
on the mezzo or soprano she never was a mezzo even now. sHE IS JUST A DAMAGED SOPRANO
@@odumosuolusegun2781
THANK U. I’m always so impressed when people label most of Mariah’s debut belts as strained when in a regular basis they’re good or just tense (not saying she didn’t have vasalva moments, but that flaw wasn’t as common in her as people say)
not the silencing of the 1st music box clip due to copyright
Sorry what 🧍♀️
Gurl it’s audible to me 😭😭
@@r.uwamhenye8282 i forgot which part i meant im p sure i meant the silence of the text over an image of music box 😭😭
@@jake_thefox4675 there was so sound on that at all I never put sound 😭
Who on earth would think she's a mezzo? I heard people call her a contralto before too lol. What's wrong with people?
Girl I couldn’t tell u what’s wrong w them
@@rosemont2283 we stan a king who knows his things 💅🏾💅🏾
@@r.uwamhenye8282 the way mariah herself has said she was an alto LMFAOOO like girl plsss
@@whoevr 😭😭
I don’t think you understand how many people I’ve fought in the past 7 yrs about this…… it’s sickening 😭
LMAO FOR REAL
Yeah I agree she Was Contralto or Mezzo but Contralto Or Mezzo with Dolphin or Bird 🐦 LOL 😂 she always True Light Lirico Coloratura Soprano Of Pop ❤ Always Light Soprano ❤❤❤
@@rosemont2283 preach
What is her real vocal type 😅?
She's a light lyric(SOPRANO)
A soprano
She’s not lyric nor light
not prisondream 😭
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I Believe If She surgery With Her Nodules Her Voice Just Like Minnie Ripecton Or Ariana Grande ❤
Gurl get ur facts right Minnie never had nodules neither does Ariana and Mariah never wanted surgery bc she was scared they’d botch it and it’d ruin her voice permanently
@@rosemont2283 true
i think they're trying to say that if she's gotten a surgery for her nodules she might sound like those two artist they've mentioned
@@miraangelo9904 my bad💀
my opinion of Mariah's voice is that she was a dugazon
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hmmm i wouldn’t put that behind her 😭 but i feel she was a soprano with a lower tessitura
@@justinbraylock757 exactly 😍
Why on earth would y’all think of all vocalist ✨🐬MARAIH CAREY ✨🐬” would be a mezzo ?
Right‼️
Well Whitney was a mezzo
@@motivateprofit she’s a soprano. Just not a light-lyric Yes she probably became a mezzo because her voice got deeper in like her 40’s and her lack of range as she grew due to pore habits etc.. but for the most part she’s a soprano.
@@motivateprofit soprano
Say what you want *these* notes were *TICKING* she’s *NOT* a *NATURAL* soprano. Everything above a C5 is forced, pushed and taxing. Most of those notes she *CAN’T* hit no more. *CONSISTENTLY* however, I believe she can still hit a C5
No mezzo would be in basement area at C#3…most mezzos are totally comfortable phrasing in the C3-F#3 area…
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ouuu why had i never seen this video.
black music archive for example (ex i love aretha franklin) believes mariah (even aretha!!) to be mezzo. and his opinion is partly based on climaxes..tbh we hold sopranos to a high standard. those standards shouldn’t be applied to contemporary mainstream sopranos (something he acknowledges). ok he is right mariah might have sung like a mezzo throughout her career but a soprano doesn’t have to sing above G5 all the time to be a soprano.
it would have been nice to hear mariah sing above G5 once tho, she was able to do it 🥲
Agreed
Why do you guys always think blackmusicarchive believe that mariah or aretha is a mezzo.they are a mezzo.hes not just give ridiculous claim about their voices like you or even this RUclips channel who gave everything based on your logical thinking and stupid claims while with blackmusicarchive he find knowledgeable people in terms of singing and music not based on his stupid logic or what.He Provide you the information you need not the information you want😂😂😂
The reasons why Mariah or whitney or even celine they can't sing above G5 all the time because that's not where their voices feel most comfortable singing.thats why they didn't go there not because they didn't have to go there to be a soprano they are not soprano easy.and if mariah can go above G5 why can't she do it once two times in her entire career?she should have to do it if she can?because she can't and she isn't that type of voices that's why she didn't bother to go there.one more thing which soprano complain that their songs were toooo high if they are a sopranos?that would be weird and will disqualify her for being that voice type so stop saying that she is a soprano she is a mezzo and if she is a soprano she should be able to sing like sohyang or patti because at the end of the day they are all the same voice type and they can do the same thing by your logic right?
@@rezaariel8406 baby it’s just a note that doesn’t define their voice types Whitney could do high G’s consistently w vibrato in her prime due to her high voice and Mariah can’t do the same since in her prime she was a low sop
@@r.uwamhenye8282it's also define whether they feel comfortable on those note or not you said Whitney is comfortable on her prime hitting G5s????that G5 that you said she hit was only the i am changing performance and that's only ONE performance i wouldn't call that consistent if she just pop out the note in just one or two performances or she suddenly being able to sing those note for only that year and suddenly on the other next year she can't do them that's not consistent and during her prime she only comfortable below those notes watch all of her performances from 83 to 89 she always comfortable below G5 wkwkwk now tell me if she feel comfortable hitting that G5 why did she lip sync the SO EMOTIONAL performance and the i am your baby tonight performance and she still in her prime?😂😂😂and for your informantion F5 and G5 wasn't really high for real sopranos and their high notes is just getting start from those two notes while with whitney,Mariah or celine all these E,F or G sound like a high notes already for them so no they are all mezzos😂and lower the key for most of their songs is the sign they didn't feel comfortable to sing on the key for the songs that have been written for them so which soprano complain and had trouble to sing in the original key for most of their songs?you need to answer me this one first.i don't want to hear they got into tour or preserve their voices because Patti and sohyang also does tour but they never lower the key for all of their songs
She's mezzo.
No she isn’t 💀