America's wilderness is for sale
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- We need more copper. Is it worth destroying this place?
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The Trump administration has opened up America's public lands to mining and fossil fuel companies on an unprecedented scale, lifting decades-long protections from millions of acres of wilderness across the country. In Minnesota, one proposed copper mine is pitting neighbors against each other as they weigh the benefits of new mining jobs against the environmental consequences of new mines. It’s an old American debate that’s been further complicated here by an unforgiving reality: We need copper, and there are not that many places to get it.
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Nestlé and Coca-Cola got really annoyed when that guy drank water for free.
Enlighten me
@@puto8736 Nestle and Coca-Cola have drained water from so many communities main drinking resources only to then sell it back to them
The CEO of nestle said water shouldn't be our right. Control the water, control the people
Nestlé and Coca-Cola: Wait that's illegal!
here in my country, danone who did it.
“You don’t build long term prosperity on a mining industry”. Well said.
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But you don't get the raw materials necessary to create the components required for clean energy without a mining industry, either.
cooper is used in solar panels, solar is considered a long term industry too, so it has to be done by someone
@@davidlamb1107 That is way I like nuclear energy. It requires so much less resources.
But you can use the revenue as a foundation for prosperity. San Francisco was built from the gold rush
We need another president like Teddy who cares about the environment like that
Bernie.
@@cauasiarush3511 Nailed it.
Me
@@cauasiarush3511 well... You didn't lie that's for sure.
TheKiman2 Vote for me in the future
Man teddy was ahead of its time, I think he is one of the few people who care about future generations
Except one of the reasons for the parks was persevere animal so that he could shoot them later with little worry of them being over hunted. After all the man killed almost 500 big animals in a safari over his life.
Teddy Roosevelt wouldn't have tolerated this utter nonsense
He ded bro.
Batman good job Sherlock
@@WeedWorking Yea... and we tolerate baby killers. HIstory will not look kindly upon us either.
@@batman_2004 Hence the past tense, bro
@Amy Sternheim Don't you mean that Barack Obama locking up babies away from their parents and starving them?
Obviously, the term baby killer hit a nerve with you. Wanna come clean on that, Amy?
2019::corporation drilling for copper
2050:: corporation drilling for drinkable water
Not even 2050 man, their already looking for massive underground water reservoirs to mine water from
Water in already scarce in some states of India Currently
Only constant is corporation
this man goes out and buys phone or computer that has copper inside.
Accurate.
America : Has some pure water bodies
American Govt. - Wait, thats illegal
i thought your pfp was frank ocean HAHAH
@@dodie3412 lol
@@abhisheksathe123 bro I thought it was frank ocean to😂
@@abhisheksathe123 trump 😂
This is why it’s important that you recycle your electronics.
@Joe Duke doesnt it cost big money? bruh
@Joe Duke what are you talking about?
@Joe Duke don't expose your folly
@Joe Duke there’s already electronic recycling locations, the others were probably pointing out that your comment didn’t really make much sense with that knowledge.
@Joe Duke dude, even some home depot's let you drop off batteries for recycling, it's not hard to find local ways to recycle
"If you think the economy is more important than the environment, try counting your money while holding your breath."
Bruh
Incredible
Agreed. People are so greedy and prefer money over nature. Same controversy with plastic in the ocean and killing animals. This must be fixed now.
It easy to say when you live far away and you are not a poor man
well it's not holding breath, but too many people willing to count money while wearing a gas mask, the thing is as long as the money can buy them a new filter, business is good...
one simple advice, *do not underestimate human greed*
"Only when the last tree has died, and the last river has been poisoned, and the last fish has been caught, will we realize that we can't eat money." ~Cree proverb
j taylor that’s sound like something in a Dr. Seuss movie
j taylor hopefully by that time I will be on Mars with Elon actually trying to build something beautiful where money wont be everything
@@jorgemontemayor4857 i wish you guys luck and really hope you all survive there 2 minutes without EMU.
@@jorgemontemayor4857 There won't be no Mars if we can't look after our own planet.
meh, we'll stay alive
It's funny how every policy change he's making is strictly beneficial to companies and detrimental to his people.
I totally agree 💯
100 Subs Without Vids? Sean Spicer, the president’s press secretary, presented a check signed by Mr. Trump for $78,333.32 to Ryan Zinke, the interior secretary, who oversees the park service.
That ain’t nothing concerning how much he has stole from everyone 😂🤣✌️
it's funny, but it's sad
technically speaking it does benefit his people.. most of trump's plans are undoubtedly beneficial one way or another but only on a short term basis.. they all have extremely positive short term results.. but i guess that exactly why he ran for presidency, get in, cash out, get out.
Then live in the woods off the grid. Try it
its so beautiful and so sad to know one day it will be destroyed forever...
But the beautiful paychecks
Short term paychecks. Mining doesn’t last forever. Nature can if treated right
Space . Think big
Hopefully Biden will re reverse it.
@@user-cc6xy3jm3e Have you ever watch the Lorax I think you should’ve learned these morals as a child
That moment you realize Teddy Roosevelt was actually The Lorax
Why? yes
Alice Roosevelt was pretty interesting too
Finally a comment we can all agree with.
Yes we need another president like him
Mad dog Mattis 2024!!!
I'm not even American and yet this bothers me on so many level...
Yeah, I feel the same
I feel the same
too bad some Americans are too thick-skulled to see what they're causing
How
@@chefj4042 Vox is american and I'm pretty sure 90% of americans no longer support this
"Without mining, these people in Minnesota will not be able to buy a house"
me, "Without a planet, NO ONE can buy a house."
So true, that’s what I always tell people who try to explain to me why natural conservation isn’t important.
How tf will copper mining ruin the planet??
@@canaldofred2366 watch the video, please
@@neohchenlun2 yes, I watched it, and again, how tf will copper mining ruin the planet?
@@canaldofred2366 shut it bish
Minnesotan here, canoed and camped there numerous times in my youth. Drank from the lakes, purest water ever. Just beautiful area and irreplaceable.
Dig it up. Money to be made. Murrica.
Theodore Roosevelt was ahead of his time.
True but incorrect. Everyone should stop with "the ahead of your time", stop romanticizing should be/could be, that's what your doing, your heart may be in the right place but you are making logic a fairytale; Logic and reason have always existed. That quote removes responsibility in all our parts to think, and make it seem like reason is unattainable.
Like the other guy said I agree he is one of the better American presidents but the actions he took then were just as important then as now
on everything but race XD
carolina bukovecz ok boomer
They would be such a cool president if it weren't for the racism (and the big game hunting, but I'm a vegan, so I understandably may have a different set of requirements on that front).
I live in northeastern Minnesota. This is a fight that not only affects our future, but is dividing the region currently. I don't think anyone wants to destroy the amazing national forest, they just can't see long term that these mine's are going to do that. We need to save the boundary waters.
Arryn Clanaugh when is the perfect time to visit the Boundary Waters?
@@lopez95Six I'm partial to fall trips, like September or early October because I love the leaves. But it does get cold even that early.
Have I been living under a rock? I'm from Duluth and I did NOT that this was happening to the extent it is. I go to the boundary Waters ever couple of years and I've heard next to nothing about the proposed mining.
Chef Sweaty now that you do, advocate and protest. I’ll visit next October and will be sure to spend money to support non mining local business.
@@gfjfjufidi2880 I'm right there with you but it doesn't feel like myself and maybe 75000 other locals could sway Trump, his supporters, and a Chilean billionaire in the slightest. Money talks and it's all these guys want to hear.
So, we all just need to travel more to Minnesota and preserving the park makes more money.
Plus it's cheaper than going to somewhere like Yellowstone. I'm down y'all.
I live in the twin cities and I have yet to visit those parks ):
If I can go to usa I will definitely
Possible solution:
Recycle our electronics and use our already mined and refined copper that we otherwise would have wasted.
A solution in the farther future: Have huge mining operations on Mars for our copper.
Unfortunately, people on average are getting dumber, I doubt people would listen to your intelligent idea.
The iPhone se 2020 was created thay fashion and we all know how outdated Is in every aspect
We wont know what we had until it's gone.
And what will you do when you can't use technology? We need the copper.
Saitaina Malfoy Yes we do, but it’s not that simple
@@Saitaina this isn't the only place that has copper... it's called importing
Just came back from Yellowstone and that place is beyond dreams. I hope it's the same in coming future:/
@@Saitaina Copper is highly recyclable, and is found in tons of other areas.
" not many places to get it (copper)" RECYCLE OUR ELECTRONICS
I doubt that's cheaper alternative even complex in most cases.
For that to become viable, we need to bring our electronics to recycling centers. Do you do that? Best Buy should have a bin
@@GrinFlash007 Obviously it isn't cheaper. Nothing that is worthwhile is ever easy. We need to get rid of the classic 'boomer' philosophy of consume, consume, consume that was heavily entrenched in them during their life.
Phones don't make copper
Brilliant .
“Only when the last rivers/lakes are Poison, the last tree is cut down, oceans polluted that man will see they can’t eat or drink money”
I still don’t understand why people love Trump so much, he’s dismantling our country around us
@Deanne Smallcanyon who else could it be
people who do not have jobs only care about getting jobs(generally speaking) and Trump is giving them jobs
pro gamer it funny how the only proof I get of this is “I’m doing a tremendous job, no one has done it like me, I’m amazing”-Trump
@Deanne Smallcanyon progression like this is easy to start and difficult to end.. even if ended, the damage done is permanent.. some things shouldnt be done in the first place
@@notwelcome2452 meh, i didnt get the job I needed....
*America has a drinkable fresh water lake*
*Flint residents:* Excuse me?
Random person: “Yeah, the water here is so clean you can just drink it!”
Flint residents: “WHAT?!?”
Flint be like: you guys have clean potable water?
It’s not even funny honestly as a Michigan person we have most of the fresh water right here and the city can’t even filter safe water and repair pipes. Michigan’s a beautiful place no one wants to see others dying from lead
Walltven North America has the most fresh water in the world, The Great Lakes are the major one.....it’s just that Americans & Canadians ruin it by contaminating it.
Drink is from bottle and the river is dumpster
This is why we need to recycle our electronics.
If people in 3rd world countries want phones and computer it will help with copper
@@mrbenjiboy9527 So pollute the 3rd world countries water and air to make toys for rich countries. And when the rich countries are done with their toys, they send the trash back to 3rd world countries. Mine your own land and recycle your own garbage - jerks.
@@pwnageshow2549 Companies were supposed to be like that until they realized they could make more long term profit by planned obsolescence
Perhaps electronics collection points should be more available then.
@@pwnageshow2549 What you are asking for is literally not possible. And in the cases it IS possible, the cost is prohibitive for it to work for the average person.
Location: West Virginia, Kentucky: ask the folks there how the mining industry helped them out after they closed shop?
Answer is simple, as the man has said " you can't build long-term prosperity on a mining industry."
Water or copper? The answer is easy, you can't drink copper. But do we?
Yeah..for that we need to cut the copper demand..so that this may not be feasible
Coke Will serve the purpose
Well you shouldn’t drink copper at least.
@@MimOzanTamamogullar Not yet, there are several cities around the world already using "Toilet" Water to recycle and drink. I am sure in few decades, these water will be more welcome and become commodity.
@@thouseef7614 Well, I guess we should just start making pipes out of lead then. Feel free to go back to lead piping.
it’s sad how surprised i was that there are still bodies of water safe enough to drink from
Same
Lake that gives New York City it's drinking water is unfiltered and fresh.
You shouldn't drink water directly from a lake/river, even if it's clean. There are tons of bacterias and micro-algae which can make you very sick.
@@p.g.6088 yea
@@p.g.6088 that's probably unlikely but still a possibility
I have great memories drinking out of the Boundary Waters with my father on trips without any concern due to how pristine those waters were. The lack of respect for these areas now for dollars and political gain is disgusting.
The president in 1908 was aware of the risks even with the Earth full of resources, and most people today can't figure it out even with some of our resources running out right now. That guy is a legend.
*How does it taste like?*
Bob Tammen: Taste like water.
it's HIGH QUALITY H2O. (references to all the futuristic movie where water is the most luxurious commodity).
What?
@@chinaforcedorganharvest-me7062 wanted to comment the same thing. Tf is thr interviewer mind lol.
Hmmmmmmm... The water is made out of water...
निकल लवड़े, पहली फुर्सत में निकल
I’m from this area kind of, north western Minnesota but lived over on the old iron range and it’s really devastated by lack of quality long term jobs. I’d like there to be industry there that isn’t reliant on a resource that will run out one day leaving the communities out of work. Having that absolutely beautiful area of the state be at risk of that level of environmental harm isn’t worth it in my opinion though.
0:06 so basically every lake in Finland?
"When the mine closed everything was hit with a depression" so opening another mine that will ultimately close one day is your solution to that problem?
Exactly. People are so short-sighted SMH.
And your solution is?
How do you propose people build long lasting wealth? They need jobs now so their kids can get a better education and move to a more sustainable industry. This is the way of life in America. My grandparents worked in textile factories and steel mills so their kids could be doctors and lawyers and now my family is able to build generational wealth even though these steel mills and textile factories are long since closed and the towns they lived in economically depressed.
@@jackcoolidge8123 there needs to be a time where people have to move on. we have known that mining was coming to a close in the future, decades ago. people had time, they just didn't use it to make long term investments in their education or wealth. Its a minority of Americans being affected by this. There is a reason why higher earners tend to live in cities. People will just need to adapt and move
@@aboogie797 I see a future superfund site our kids will have to deal with.
As somebody who enjoys drinking water, I want to drink that
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I'm craving that lake water so bad. So fresh
I know I would be so fresh! 😋
Afghanistan has super good clean water
Draz Gul sane I’m thirsty for the real water 💧
I've been on the boundary waters and a phone screen can never give it justice of what an experience it is. Nothing less than food for the soul.
So much Copper in our dumps. Always thought about mining landfills.
Mines need to clean up the waste. Extract the lead and arsenic and sell them. Add it to the cost of the product. Drying it and storing it is not a solution.
"Environmental activist and former miner"
Now that's a redemption arc
Not really. Mining and reclamation are 2 sides of the same coin.
@Vishal Jindal before you are allowed to break ground mining there a lot of hoops to jump through. One is a reclamation plan. Now you could argue the plans have flaws bc they often do but its a requirement for modern mining.
Pretty much any digging now has to have plans for the aftermath.
@@nathanbarnard7896 but it is also important to do it in sustainable ways to make sure we even make it to care about ourselves
so working for a mining company makes you a bad person?
@@midget9629 yeah, I heard of one that said they would turn the land into a golf course after they finished mining...because that's the best way to help nature and not themselves.........
leave the forest alone👏🏼👏🏼
Nope. We want copper.
Robert Shakuni they going to ruin it :/
They need that sweet dollars
You NEED money, not grass lol
@@batman_2004 to bad lol
GuRl: WhAt DoEs It TaStE lIkE?
Old Man: Tastes like water.
I went to camp Koochiching as a kid right by there. We would go on 20 mile canoe/camping trips in that area. It’s such beautiful country. I hope they can preserve it!
2019: Water tastes like water
2020: Water tastes like arsenic, and heavy metals
There's currently more drugs and chemical in water then there is on the streets.
This 👏🏽
Maybe 2030
@@atallsteve
Wrong, within the first months of them mining that water will be completely ruined. It doesn't take long for the water to get polluted, specially from something so big.
ATallSteve Max 2021. It doesn’t take long for a mine to ruin the water.
as a resident of Minnesota leave out forests alone. that’s not just my opinion either.
That's THE opinion Trump needs to listen to
Hello. I'm from a mining family in northern Minnesota. I believe that we CAN mine without destroying the watershed, but we need to be careful. It has been proven safe to mine if you are cautious.
Flan Ben Flen I don’t think they’ll let anything happen to the lake but like the video said we need copper to make electric powered cars and solar panels
National forests don't belong to the state. They belong to the Federal government.
agreed
If everyone would turn in there pennies, there would be a glut.
fr tho like whenever i get pennys back from change i never ever walk into a store w them they just disapper
Pennies aren’t made of copper anymore.
T1 pennies still have copper on the outside plus it was mostly copper until 1982
@@connorisme5084 they are zinc core copper plated, the copper is less than 1/1000th of an inch thick and makes up less than .05%. It is illegal to melt copper cents in the united States as they are still legal tender. We are on the fast track to following countries such as Canada abolishing the cent all together as it costs more than it's worth to mint and isn't economically feasible. I save every single pre 1982 cent I come across and have well over 150lbs in mostly wheats- when I can legally sell them for scrap I gladly will.
Like other people have said, we want to be able to continue making solar panels, wind farms, and critical components of infrastructure like pipes and wires, we need copper. I think we should put a hold on any projects like this one in Minnesota and start more recovery programs like recycling copper by recycling phones and other electronics and anything else that has usable copper. If we end up really needing copper mining in the future we can explore other areas that are not near such areas with pristine freshwater supply and great environmental value.
"You don't build long-term prosperity on a mining industry" - This old miner needs to be in charge of the lands.
Yeah, not hypocritical at all thay this guy who's made this living and has money for retirement FROM mining is saying to all those people who are unemployed in that state that his recreational area is more important than them having jobs.
Clow what happened to the N at the end of you name?
Clow well unlike everyone else he’s learned from the mistakes of the industry and knows how short lived it is and how after all of the minerals are mined away, then what??? Everyone loses there jobs and then you have a ghost town. Just like with coal. Of our president is smart he would be promising bringing mining jobs back and would instead promote far more sustainable, less environmentally damaging, and vastly more relevant industries.
As a second generation miner and friends that are 4th generation I beg to differ. Sorry you have a narrow view of where the materials come from you use daily.
@@ErraticConduct His point is that mines will eventually be depleted. Building a mine is a temporary solution to a regional problem. I was in the military, but after leaving it, I think it needs to be downsized because of the wasted manpower and lost resources spent on maintaining something that benefits society almost nothing. You can be an industry insider and still criticize the practices of it.
"this water is so clean, you can drink it"
wait a second... ya'll cant drink your water normally in america?!?
In very few places in the world can you drink water normally out the lake. Especially a big one. Most are contaminated. And even then it’s still not recommended
Not directly out of lake or river as I’m sure you already know.
you act as if you can straight up drink water from a lot of places without any fear of contamination. It's like this in a lot of places (not just america).
@@vaunniethayer1484 i live in norway, and have never seen any "contaminated" water
@@thrivinganarchy5267 im norwegian, and ive only ever boiled water to get it clean when ive been on a tent trip, but just a few times
Living through the devastation of these beautiful places makes me cry and cry seeing what’s been happening in southern Utah and all of these beautiful places makes me sick
They should mine landfills for copper and other metals it’s loaded with old electronics.
Fox Laker but they toxic! U cant do that!
@@wafflesrlyf675 So are the mines. Didn't you watch the video?
I'm mad they didn't mention that in the video. We should also make companies responsible for the life cycle of their products, so if Apple wants to produce new iPhones they have to recycle their old phones and use the metals already in there.
@@letBIGGIErest they already do! apple has a really good tradein program
that's already a business, but gold and platinum are the only metals worth recovering
In the end the wealth isn’t going to matter when our Earth is destroyed
@TeenageCapitalist and money
@TeenageCapitalist There a million ways to create jobs and the extraction of natural resources is one of the most unsustainable ways to do so. Instead of creating jobs through unsustainable means how about creating infrastructure for renewable energy, such as through the creation of wind and solar farms?
TeenageCapitalist if we run out of trees in the next 10000 years our Earth would be filled with greenhouse gasses
@@LolLol-xo7uy shhhhh the corporations will plant more🤣teenage Trump supporters
TeenageCapitalist Did you watch the video at all? Mining for copper will most definitely, and undeniably polite the surrounding waters. There is absolutely no way to deny it.
My mother's family lived in a coal mining town in spain. My grandfather was a manager at a coal power plant in that village. The coal dried up, jobs were lost, and the power plant shut down.
All it takes are a few visits to some national parks or forests to understand why those lands must be preserved. I feel very fortunate to have been able to experience the astonishing beauty of my country, and I hope future generations can as well.
Let’s get a $90k income for 3% of our community for 20 years, and then have our children pay for the cleanup through their taxes for 80 years! Great economics plan!
Wins elections though.
thats nothing comparend too the amount of money trump has saved our country.
yall realize it was like 3 billion dollars trump saved america from one deal? i doubt any president has saved the country that much money besides trump.
@@dbspaceoditty ok Boomer
dbspaceoditty yeah I totally bet that 3 billion went towards very much needed things like reformed education to close the digital divide, or improved infrastructure, or improved distribution of physicians in areas of the country that don’t HAVE any, or development of more sustainable agriculture such as hydroponics. Oh wait. It didn’t. But let’s add another 100 billion to the military budget. Merica🇺🇸✊
That's how republicans do things, they ruin land for small and temporary gain.
The best metaphor for this is that we’re killing the goose to get the gold eggs faster.
that's so real....
so if we wait the copper will just come to us
@@voicelessglottalfricative6567 we wait for better technology where new copper is not needed
Never seen this one before but wow! So accurate!
@@augis911 Yes when copper is needed for technology. You are suggesting we create things out of thin air
It’s so clean you can drink it.
Me: Not for long. Humans always find a way. To ruin them.
then we should charge them for it :)
I took my son to Florida this summer. While taking family pictures, I had him hold a sign that said “Enjoying Florida before it’s underwater within my lifetime”. People thought I was joking. 😑
Theodore Roosevelt was a great president, it’s sad to see the parks dying
We have the best parks in the world
A.J. Deutsch for now
A.J. Deutsch *laughs in Ecuador*
Well, considering there’s so many unexplained disappearances and weird creature sittings in every single national park, they are actually the scariest parks in the world.
Tensolin01 sources?
Watching people clap for mining companies being allowed to pollute their backyards is bizarre.
Josh Reif boomers
Watching people use electronics and then question why we need copper mines is bizarre
Casey McKee
Yet, at least those people are trying to advocate for the environment and do less harm then they already have. You just think that since they do harm, they can’t do any good.
@@oreninjaauhunter7673 No I am merely suggesting that is is very ironic and hypocritical that the people arguing against these copper mining facilities are doing so primarily on social media and here in these RUclips comments. All of these platforms are accessed via electronics which would not exist without copper produced from the very mining facilities they are opposing.
@@caseymckee6856 Mining is one thing, mining in sensitive wilderness areas is another. And the problem is also the severely lacking long-term responsibility of these mining companies. Taxpayers are constantly paying for cleaning up after them, when in reality they should be contractually obliged to leave their mining site and surrounding area in pristine condition when they are done with it, or rather put aside enough money *in advance* to ensure this can be done, rather than just going bankrupt as soon as they have to clean up their mess. Instead the countryside is littered with toxic pits and contaminated soil and water. It is ridiculous.
Boundary waters is beautiful. I've been there once on a canoeing trip and want to go again someday. We drank lake water all week. How sad if it gets tainted
Makes you wonder how we define “wealth”
A whole economy built upon destroying your own home.
Nice!
巨人の肩 Everyone use copper in some way everyday
@@user-qe8xu5wo4p everyone uses water and trees too... we know which one is more important. Do you?
@@user-qe8xu5wo4p well that justifies poisoning ourselves
Exactly
China:First time?
Their goal is for the mining companies to get richer. They really don't care.
No it’s not
This is why democracy along with pretty much every other ideology is flawed as a government.
Schmitt guess what? No system is perfect
@@PentaETA Of course. In fact, if everyone was perfect, we wouldn't need a government in the first place.
This video was amazingly well done. I am an environmental scientist who works on a lot of projects like this and you could no have done a better job of capturing the complexity of the situation. You should be very proud of this work.
The boundary waters of Minnesota seem really beautiful. I would love to get a chance to go and see those beautiful lakes
As someone from Minnesota, please take the time to look up Virginia, Minnesota before and after mining pictures to really see what this will do to the living beauty of Mn if this were to take place. It makes me want to cry.
@@Butcherjah tbh i kinda can't wait lol
I felt so uncomfortable when that man just straight up drank a cup of water from the river. Guess that shows that I grew up only knowing water that has to be filtered with chemicals and stuff to be drinkable.
Still probably bad
I know. I felt the same,we all grew up thinking same way.
It's just sad how we changed this planet.
I mean, it can still contain bacteria, since it's a lake.
@@andrewmtgx that's the thinking we are talking about. We need to change it.
That man is foolish. You should never drink "clean" lake water. If you don't get poisoned by heavy metals, arsenic stuff like that. There's always microroganisms that will always exist, cause well. They always exist, everywhere.
I'm not sure if i'm right but most american companies doesn't even use their own country's resources to produce their products. Most of them source from poor countries cause it's cheap. And most of these poor countries are destroying their environment to produce resources for these companies meanwhile america is still full of nature. It's just sad that poor countries are stripped off of their resources and it's kind of unfair for me because it's these companies that get the most benefit while they destroy other countries. I don't know if i'm making sense but it's just straight up unfair.
I’ve been camping up there, actually on the Canada side, and that water is clear but we still purified our drinking water with iodine
Those places weren’t mined for a reason!
Leave the forest alone!
Because copper is plentiful in the upper michigan.
Please dispose of your computer, tablet and/or cellphone. If you didn't use copper, there would be no need for mining operations such as the one discussed in the video.
@@caseymckee6856 copper can be easily recycled, our new smartphones can use the copper of the older ones. And you know what you need much more than copper? Clean water!
@@arx3516 If you are so adamant about having "clean water" then do me a favor and stop contributing to the usage of copper in our world today. Please, like I mentioned in my previous post, discard all your electronics and only then will I truly believe you desire clean water over the lifestyle you are currently accustomed to. Remember, it is easy to talk the talk, not so much to walk the walk.
@@caseymckee6856 then stop using electricity and running water because thats all copper.
Those crooks CEOs will destroy the area and when the clean up is needed, declare bankruptcy and leave all the pollution to the locals.
Zzul Ma nice
True, since a lot of these areas are far way maybe there isn’t even any people. We will never know it’s being polluted.
I am for mining but you are 100% right. Mines declare bankruptcy quite often when profits are high just to get put of paying the bill at the end.
@OAT351 Your are 100% right. That's where the CEOs and owners need to be held criminally liable for their companies actions. I have seen them do that just to fire then rehire their workers at a lower rate and get out of paying retirements.
The people voted on allowing the mines to open up. They know better than some keyboard warrior.
In BC we had many many many tons of toxic waste burst and poor into precious waters. You can’t take those mistakes back. No matter how much you charge the company at fault
Replace pits with extracting the same waste lead, mercury and Arsenic so they too can be sold. Have mining companies owned by employees so the resources of the state belong to the people within the state.
Why does the world always choose economy over the environment?
Naomi Disaster profit profit profit, people’s mindset is that they won’t be alive to see the disaster they caused. People are horrible
Tobby Isiba that makes no sense
That's capitalism, babey!
Most people wouldn't give up their modern lifestyle for the environment
that’s how we progress
It would be newsworthy if a part of america wasnt for sale
@@wakaisgood that doesnt mean much if you have no access to clean drinking water or dying of cancer related illness
Emily Ram umm ?? We need fresh air and water ...
@@wakaisgood Because it unregulated capitalism is ultimately short-sighted. "A wise man plants trees not expecting to sit in its shade." This world could last for a few more million years, a few pieces of copper aren't worth our health.
@@wakaisgood your right and i agree. And to you others. destilling or filtrate water is not a problem. Plus trees and plants will never go extinct
@@wakaisgood No, you're sorta right. Capitalism has worked well most of the time for us, but in capitalism people can operate with the rules we set. Destroying nature and the environment isn't some glorified benefit of capitalism is it? It happens, but only if we tolerate it. All of the wealth capitalism multiplies and creates by raising standards of living, technology etc. for everyone isn't worth it if you suffocate when you go outside or your water is black or fear diseases because of something so unnecessary that we have created. Look at how polluted china is. Do you really want to live somewhere where that is the norm? I don't. Isn't there many ways to have the same wealth without the need to destroy the planet that we use to survive? I think so.
We can’t let this happen.
ok your choice 25k or 90k ?
UPDATE: 1/18/20
"Minnesota Congresswoman Betty McCollum introduced legislation Wednesday to permanently ban copper, nickel and precious metals mining across more than 200,000 acres of the Superior National Forest in northeastern Minnesota."
My grandpa worked in mining in Virginia MN and I still have distant family members that live in the North Country.
When I went to visit them this summer, the whole area seemed stuck in time with buildings that haven’t changed since the 1900s or the 1960s.
The same is true, somewhat, for Duluth, the nearest city and shipping harbor where I went to college.
The house and small neighborhood that my dad and uncles grew up in is being bought up so the nearby mine can dig up the area. Even highways I haven’t traveled on since I was a teen have been rerouted.
The land in the North Country is majestic, a blessing and a resource.
It breaks my heart seeing the Boundary Waters under attack from such selfish, short term interests.
What this video neglected to mention is that the mining company wanting to extract the copper is headed by a Chilean billionaire with direct connections with Trump.
My heart goes out to a lot of people who live in the woods and towns in the North. The area has been under a lot of economic stress for decades and there’s not an easy solution to solve it.
I can’t imagine that there will be a lot of investment going back into peoples lives (aside from money) if we only focus on extracting what’s beneath our feet versus building a supportive, sustainable life and economy by focusing on the gifts we have above ground.
With myself being originally from there as well, this is the most true statement I’ve read. In 5-10 years the mines will be gone again and the economy will be in worse shape because now all the tourism jobs will be gone too.
I love visiting the Iron Range and North Shore when I can, it’s a beautiful area and it hurts me emotionally to see so many people are absolutely ok with destroying it.
Are you referring to Virginia or Duluth when you say they're mining that neighborhood? I can definitely see how Virginia could be perceived as being stuck in the mid 1900's but I don't think the same is really true for Duluth.
I'm pro mining from Babbitt, but I believe that there can be safer ways to mine copper.
Chef Sweaty I meant mining in Virginia, particularly the hamlet of Parkville
Mike G Have you been to West Duluth? Or the areas closer to the iron ore piers? Or the trailer parks along Hwy 23 connecting Duluth to Jay Cooke State Park?
I’ve had some friends from college who’d lived in that general area and those were the places I was referring to. If you look at Duluth 100 years ago, it was more akin to Chicago
Short term economic gain is not worth the permanent environmental impact
@@jorgemartinez-qg3qc everything we do has an impact on the environment its just our duty as people to try and minimize that impact as much as possible. Im not saying dont do anything because it hurts the environment all im saying is that if the environmental impacts are too great its not worth the risk and short term economic gain. I bet you like to have clean drinking water and places to go hunting, fishing, and hiking I know I do.
@@owen-nd7om exactly
Andy Dufrense the environmental impacts are always too great
@Christopher White In terms of the food chain and the dynamics of human habitation, humanity is a destructive and parasitic species against the larger picture of life on earth. While it wont change the way I live and I dont personally feel guilty for things I never did, the fact is that its true.
Society's resource and food demands ultimately mean destruction for whatever is in the path of human interests. Name a case where this isnt true. Tuna, lobster, prairy land, coastal wetlands, major waterways, ect. Anything of resource value, regardless of the impact on the species is ultimately exploited. The only collateral life that obviously benefits are invasive and equally as destructive animals like pigeons and rats.
@Dean you completely missed the point...
This needs so much more credit than it’s getting.
When the mines close you can’t count on tourism anymore
“Mining and clean water: we can have both!”
-The people who stand to make millions from the mining
"Hey, you know that thing that happens literally every time that a mine opens? Well, it won't happen this time!"
Can it happen though?
Why not store the hazardous material further off-site so the rivers are safe?
GorillaGaming It totally COULD happen, but mining companies can’t be trusted to make sure it’s done correctly, especially with this administration loosening regulations
@@Kass686 could the local industry have enough muscle to force them to the table to talk?
Wouldn't that help the situation
@@Kass686 not even force, just talk?
"This water is so clean, you can drink it" Wait this isn't normal? This is sad.
Look up the Teflon scandal, there's a documentary called: The devil we know
No, most people on the planet cannot drink straight river water...
Nikolai B. And this isn’t anything new. Humans always have to find fresh water from wells and would have to boil water too.
@@DagnirRen It's certainly possible for someone to build up a tolerance if a body of water is relatively clean. But even that dude in the video, if most people drank that same water, a good amount would at least get diarrhea. Most people just don't have the gut microflora to deal with what's in that water. And even in many developed countries, people don't drink tap water, let alone river water.
Very, very rare
especially along major waterways
I keep on stumbling on this video every month and it always makes me smile when he says that the water tastes like water and starts laughing 😊
It is absolutely disgusting to see how these beautiful plots of nature are treated as units of an economy. We need a government who cares more for the natural environment than for economic capital. Quite saddening...
I agree.
I’ve lived in Minnesota for my whole life, and I would gladly end that life if it ensured the continued health and existence of The Boundary Waters. People don’t know what we have here, even others who have lived here for far longer than I have. I love it and it’s my home even more than any house I grew up in.
Thanks for making this video.
Protect this place, protect these places.
Please.
Worked in Minnesota a few years back at a summer camp, truly a beautiful place
Em I'm with you, sending this from Chaska.
@TeenageCapitalist yeah, but nothing is a closed system. The pollutants will leak, inevitably and the only virtuous thing the company can do is decide how much; how much they spend to prevent it. And while poverty may lower through these economic opportunities, they are fleeting. When the mines dry up people aren't going to have any clear career to pivot to or guaranteed way to do so. They'll be left with land less beautiful and water less safe to drink, all for a few faster dollars in their pocket that don't ensure any continued income in the future.
And while they struggle to get back on their feet the mining companies will find another place with people who need money badly enough they'll take being exploited to give it.
Yes, there's a problem with people with seasonal jobs and environment-related jobs not getting paid enough, but these jobs can last forever. While the mines, they always dry up.
Have a wonderful day, and I hope you see a wonderful flower or tree or deer tomorrow that reminds you that life relies on decomposition and death, but it is only humans who have felt the need to make it reliant on destruction and genocide.
Or maybe just something beautiful, whatever you find
@TeenageCapitalist Taxes are going up too unfortunately...
@Lee and there you have it folks, a nice documentry about a beautiful place, then a comment like this. Grow up and grow a pair, nobody is coming here to destroy us except Trump.
short answer: no
long answer: no we shouldn't give big companies 10 years of high profit to ruin a experience for future generations forever
Coco amen
A process which has taken billions of years to form and areas that have been evolving for millions of years which is home to wide and vast range of life to be destoryed in tens of years by the decisions of few for their own greedy gain.
It's not even the experience.
It's the fact we need to treat the planet with respect or it will hit back. Harder.
before Brumadinho disaster, 2015 we had mariana disaster, which was also very destructive
People are parasites, the Earth and it's inhabitants have never had to deal with such a force such as ourselves before. I only hope it can recover.
It won’t because there moving to MARS next.
*We Indians have destroyed our rivers, lakes and forests in pursuit of development but it's time for you America to save yours. Don't repeat the mistakes of developing world.*
wrong native americans preserved nature
ooooh actual indians sorry lol
anant saini I thought u talking about native Americans at first lol
Well, as long as Trump is president we aren't really being given a choice. We can vote all we want but it's ultimately up to him to do the right thing, and he's made it abundantly clear that he is on the side with the most money.
well put friend. India is a beautiful country and wish for its prosperity, and the conservation of its pristine jungle, savannah, and wetlands.
THANK YOU FOR COVERING THIS ISSUE!!! As a Minnesotan I know the majority of us are against opening up the boundary waters to mining. Not only does it affect the northern population it will end up down in the metro area of the Twin Cities. All those river systems flow into the largest rivers in the state. The Mississippi, Minnesota, Hudson and many of the interconnected lakes across Minnesota's north. The headwaters of the Mississippi are not all that far from the Boundary Waters. If just 1 accident were to happen it could very easily spread down the entire length of the Mississippi endangering countless communities. I wish this was a subject covered in a series or one of your longer documentary style videos. Many many more ppl need to know about this and understand the need for help in those local communities who are forced to choose mining bc their lives depend on it. If they had the chance or opportunity to save their lands but can still survive I'd bet most would be open to taking that route vs supporting this invasion of one of the few small corners of the U.S. still untouched by industry. It's almost like a thing here. Once in your life as a Minnesotan you must go to the Boundary Waters and live with the land for a few days at least. Many go for weeks. It's the most amazing place and it breaks my heart to think of what could happen.
"If they had the chance or opportunity to save their lands but can still survive I'd bet most would be open to taking that route vs supporting this invasion of one of the few small corners of the U.S. still untouched by industry."
Yeah... and you would have that balance if the property wasn't owned by the Government. Because the Corporations are leasing land that doesn't belong to them... so they have no incentive to maintain property value... and worse, they aren't liable for property right damages... so they have no incentive to implement a truly safe and effective disposal method of their waste. Why would they spend money on more expensive solutions, when they don't have to worry about the value of the property, or worry about legal liabilities from their environmental impacts?
It also deals with international waters mainly around the Boundary Waters northern boundary touches I believe Rainy River an international river shared between Canada and the US, doing this will cause some issues that the Canadian government can raise and complain about these said issues to the USA and if it doesn't go well, the UN can also step in since it deals with international boundary regions and the future of water safety in 2 countries.
@@Chipwhitley274 They should be forced by contract to spend money on these things in order to obtain their mining leases. It's not hard, it is just that politicians are too corrupt to do it.
@@Chipwhitley274 I totally hear what you're saying. This was federally protected until a certain orange guy in the White House put an oil guy in as head of the EPA. The guy below brought up a great point. Waters from the areas at threat are connected to or directly shared with Canada. Meaning they can bring up complaints to U.S. and if they don't wanna play nice then our Canadian friends can take it up with the UN. So there is some hope this can be stopped. More people need to know about this.
@@ninjafruitchilled,
Without Government intervention they would by forced be contract... and legal liabilities.
This is so sad, i’ve had so many great memories catching fish and spending time with my church an family and having an amazing time, I want to have kids and take them there someday to experience what I did, to gaze up upon the bright stars in the night sky with the crackle of a fire in the background and the soft flow of waves crashing against the shore onto your feet so gently, going to bed to the sound of the birds chirps slowing dying down then waking up from your tent early in the morning to see the sunrise and catch some fish for breakfast, I really just wish that it wouldn’t have to go away like this and that we can keep the beautiful gift god has given to us.
This is disgusting... we need this land to survive and thrive. Why are we distorting our own habitat??
Visit Save the Boundary Waters to learn more about how you can help.
Why aren't you pinned
@@nunyabusiness3786 vox should pin this !
just commented to pin this so vox can see and pin !
no
pin this!!
Let's hope America one day gets a government that really cares about their wilderness and nature.
Obama cared. The problem is that all it takes is one president to undo all that hard work.
When people have money, they found out preserving nature is important, when people need money, then money is more important than nature, its a cycle
go get a loan
Or care about.....People! we need air and water!
littleguy notso very true.
I went there with the Boy scouts. Beautiful! The BSA/Scouts Canada operate National Scouting Bases there. One of the times of my life.
“one million acres of untouched wilderness, you can’t find that anywhere else in the world”
Canada: 😐
Canada?
@Ramen Lover My province has 0.019 persons per square kilometre. it’s all wilderness as far as you can see. 80% of Canada’s land is uninhabited. 28% of the land has yet to be explored.
@Ramen Lover And the Tokyo metro area. lol.
2019: America’s wilderness is for sale
2020: MrBeast: Buying America’s Wilderness in $1 bills
this was gold lol
Zhii Beats copper*
Oh so that was the goal, cover the copper in trees so the miners can't find it.
@@sparrowgryphonarchive1864 :)))))
why does it have to be mrbeast? There are many good people like him aswell.
A question like this would be hard to awnser if the money from the mining actually went to the miners and the communities but it wouldn't. Almost all of it would go to the company and the workers would just get a fraction of it.
Any business relies upon paying a worker less than the capital they create
You should invest all your money, hard work and sacrifice to open up a business and hire people to split the profit. Show us how it's done.
Even if the company gave all the profits to the community, it's not worth it. Generations wud have to face dire consequences.
My Name that’s how businesses kind of work....
My thoughts, exactly. It came to me, when they showed the promised salary of $90,000/a
The average Joe in the mine: $30,000
The bosses: $300,000
Where is your community wonder now?