Definitely no mountaineer myself, just got a few fourteener's hiked, under my belt. This real mountaineering seems a bit like risks are pretty common and occur often when finding holds and working out grips....
using to ropes makes it possible to abseil 60 meters, instead of 30 (doubling your single rope). Also two ropes makes it possible to reduce ropedrag, because you don't need to zig-zag your single rope, making lots of turns. These turn build up really fast, and over 40~meters your rope can get nearly stuck
Also the impact force is lower with half ropes than with single ropes. This means that in case of a fall, less force is exerted on possibly weaker protection (nuts, friends, etc.); 'weak' meaning weak placement or weaker material (e.g. some types of nuts have strengths well below 10 kN).
I dont know why, but in almost all british "instructional" videos severe safety issues are included...i would be just ok if you are doing this with your partner, but if you are filming it than you should take more considerations...minor issues i wouldn't recommend but its not "wrong" not using the atc guide mode. in my opinion munters hitch might be better (i know its annoying with twins) but lets say that choice is ok at all. BUT, where I disagree: 1) then, if you change lead a dummy runner should definetly be included. Yes the guy i putting some protection 2 - 2/1/2m later with the sling but I doubt she could hold a fall. and 2) what is very critical: if the lady is belaying from her harness and cowering under a slight overhang with no space in front of her, she would be dragged upwards against the rock in case her leader might fall during the next session. Therefore, belaying of the harness in this situation is a poor choice in my opinion.
Hi. There will be differences in what's thought as best practice for the situation in different instructor schemes across the world. Our winter skills films are made with and approved by the Association of Mountaineering Instructors. Hope you enjoy the films.
I definitely enjoyed the video. Many aspect are brilliant explained! But such things like belaying, finding good anchors is such a complex topic and often you may find yourself in worse situation outdoors, where you know that the current anchor is bad. However, in an instructional video you either consider those aspects and show all the pros/cons of e.g. belaying off the harness vs. fix point, drag/forces in case of a fall,... or just completely exclude this sensitive topic. From other comments I had the feeling a lot of viewers are not aware of the risk of a fall of the leader and an upwards drag against the rock. As this is THE argument against this method in such a situation I just want to inform all future viewers. Especially, in the next video your guide is explaining that "tucking in under the rock" is good against snow/ice fall from above. This, in my honest opinion is completely misleading and dangerous if you belay off your harness!
ape man i always belay off my harness so if the belay isnt great you can do your best at a brace belay. If its clipped into a dodgy belay and that rips its no good. There is also the problem of when you clip the atc into the belay you will need two load direction for the belay. One downward for the second, and one upwards for the lead, and as you put it if the leader falls and you dont have it clipped into a 50kg woman, the gear is ripping right out if its a couple of downward nuts. Having the bodyweight to brace for the second and also to act as a counterweight to a leader fall is the safest in my opinion. Clipping atc into a belay is fine for bolts, but this was filmed in scottish winter where bomber bolt belays don’t exist. Also the belayer in this video was totally fine in belaying where she did. One shes protected from debris coming down and injuring her, and also if the leader did fall, i doubt she would be smacked into the rock. The pitch wasn’t vertical and so with the rope drag plus the fact the fall would be dampened by hitting the slope/ledges i think the leader fall could be safely arrested. Also the weight difference between the leader and belayer isnt even that vast. Your point on the munter hitch or Italian hitch is completely daft!? Why does bmc have to explain use a atc? Its more efficient, safer as its easier to pay out and take in rope. Sure if you drop your atc use an itialian hitch on a spare crab, but dont fuck about with it otherwise. BMC did a great job in explaining a complex topic, in scottish winter its rare you get ideal gear, weather conditions are often poor and trust me things don’t always workout textbook. Thanks for the video BMC
@@UKmarkj I agree. I will only belay directly off an anchor if my whole weight is held by the anchor anyway or I'm in such a tight spot that any fall would crush me by the rope. If I'm stood on a ledge, I will always belay off my harness. I trust my weight more.
An old thread I know but nothing’s changed. IMHO it’s not productive to dismiss the munter as daft in this context - there are risks and benefits. Certainly the use of the ATC reflects established, proven and popular practice in the UK. The other consideration that’s not obvious from the video is that’s it’s possible that the belayer has assessed the terrain below the leader and is fully prepared to give a slightly less than full lock off should the leader fall. This plus the reasons previously stated are probably sufficient to make tucking safely in under the rock a feasible option.
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super good climbing. I hope to get to this level of calmness
Great video Great sound Filming is excellent Richard always seems relaxed even in quite tricky spots Thanks for this series of video
Killer video, a lot of good info and great audio. Thank you!
Well done nicely worked out and explained. Thank you.
Styling it and coaching simultaneously. Superb!
This is my favorite climbing video
super sweet move
4th vid I watched. Subscribed. Love it!
A "wee" 4ft runner :D
Anyone know what route this is? Looks fun!
Is that Heather?
Where are these winter climbing videos filmed? Looks pretty cold up there, curious what the temperature is.
Hi Liam, they are filmed in Scotland in winter. Thanks for watching.
Definitely no mountaineer myself, just got a few fourteener's hiked, under my belt. This real mountaineering seems a bit like risks are pretty common and occur often when finding holds and working out grips....
I can see your jacket and gloves are OR. Can you please tell the name of the jacket and gloves. Or the model. Looks like you're keeping warm.
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Why are there 2 ropes?
using to ropes makes it possible to abseil 60 meters, instead of 30 (doubling your single rope). Also two ropes makes it possible to reduce ropedrag, because you don't need to zig-zag your single rope, making lots of turns. These turn build up really fast, and over 40~meters your rope can get nearly stuck
Also the impact force is lower with half ropes than with single ropes. This means that in case of a fall, less force is exerted on possibly weaker protection (nuts, friends, etc.); 'weak' meaning weak placement or weaker material (e.g. some types of nuts have strengths well below 10 kN).
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Hubu nezavře, furt kecá a neleze.
Please don't step on your ropes with your crampons
hooo ! not good ! at 6:11, the guide put the carabiner in his mouth ! Do not put aluminium or steel in your mouth in WINTER !!!!!!
I dont know why, but in almost all british "instructional" videos severe safety issues are included...i would be just ok if you are doing this with your partner, but if you are filming it than you should take more considerations...minor issues i wouldn't recommend but its not "wrong" not using the atc guide mode. in my opinion munters hitch might be better (i know its annoying with twins) but lets say that choice is ok at all.
BUT, where I disagree:
1) then, if you change lead a dummy runner should definetly be included. Yes the guy i putting some protection 2 - 2/1/2m later with the sling but I doubt she could hold a fall.
and 2) what is very critical:
if the lady is belaying from her harness and cowering under a slight overhang with no space in front of her, she would be dragged upwards against the rock in case her leader might fall during the next session. Therefore, belaying of the harness in this situation is a poor choice in my opinion.
Hi. There will be differences in what's thought as best practice for the situation in different instructor schemes across the world. Our winter skills films are made with and approved by the Association of Mountaineering Instructors. Hope you enjoy the films.
I definitely enjoyed the video. Many aspect are brilliant explained! But such things like belaying, finding good anchors is such a complex topic and often you may find yourself in worse situation outdoors, where you know that the current anchor is bad. However, in an instructional video you either consider those aspects and show all the pros/cons of e.g. belaying off the harness vs. fix point, drag/forces in case of a fall,... or just completely exclude this sensitive topic. From other comments I had the feeling a lot of viewers are not aware of the risk of a fall of the leader and an upwards drag against the rock. As this is THE argument against this method in such a situation I just want to inform all future viewers. Especially, in the next video your guide is explaining that "tucking in under the rock" is good against snow/ice fall from above. This, in my honest opinion is completely misleading and dangerous if you belay off your harness!
ape man i always belay off my harness so if the belay isnt great you can do your best at a brace belay. If its clipped into a dodgy belay and that rips its no good. There is also the problem of when you clip the atc into the belay you will need two load direction for the belay. One downward for the second, and one upwards for the lead, and as you put it if the leader falls and you dont have it clipped into a 50kg woman, the gear is ripping right out if its a couple of downward nuts. Having the bodyweight to brace for the second and also to act as a counterweight to a leader fall is the safest in my opinion. Clipping atc into a belay is fine for bolts, but this was filmed in scottish winter where bomber bolt belays don’t exist.
Also the belayer in this video was totally fine in belaying where she did. One shes protected from debris coming down and injuring her, and also if the leader did fall, i doubt she would be smacked into the rock. The pitch wasn’t vertical and so with the rope drag plus the fact the fall would be dampened by hitting the slope/ledges i think the leader fall could be safely arrested. Also the weight difference between the leader and belayer isnt even that vast.
Your point on the munter hitch or Italian hitch is completely daft!? Why does bmc have to explain use a atc? Its more efficient, safer as its easier to pay out and take in rope. Sure if you drop your atc use an itialian hitch on a spare crab, but dont fuck about with it otherwise.
BMC did a great job in explaining a complex topic, in scottish winter its rare you get ideal gear, weather conditions are often poor and trust me things don’t always workout textbook.
Thanks for the video BMC
@@UKmarkj I agree.
I will only belay directly off an anchor if my whole weight is held by the anchor anyway or I'm in such a tight spot that any fall would crush me by the rope.
If I'm stood on a ledge, I will always belay off my harness.
I trust my weight more.
An old thread I know but nothing’s changed.
IMHO it’s not productive to dismiss the munter as daft in this context - there are risks and benefits. Certainly the use of the ATC reflects established, proven and popular practice in the UK.
The other consideration that’s not obvious from the video is that’s it’s possible that the belayer has assessed the terrain below the leader and is fully prepared to give a slightly less than full lock off should the leader fall. This plus the reasons previously stated are probably sufficient to make tucking safely in under the rock a feasible option.