I don't believe it is terrible and I enjoy it, but I do agree that it is the lowest form of combat in Chivalry 2. I still believe incredible dueling prowess is something to be proud of.
Really good last videos, thanks man! I have a few questions which are really interesting for me: 1) how they spin so fast while aiming? 2) how they cancel bandage animation? Thanks!
You can't really spin fast since there's something called a turncap which limits your turning sensitivity, so I'm not sure what you mean there. As for the cancelling of the bandage animation, you can cancel it by using an ammo box.
It's cool to finally see a name for this technique, I've been using it religiously in duel servers and it's so strong. Almost thought I found it on my own lmao
I don't think it breaks the combat. It's simply just a gamble. I don't know what Gilgamesh has been doing, but this technique is pretty easy to beat once you understand it.
Hmm, okay, maybe it doesn't break the combat entirely, but my regular way of playing seems to go out the window. I've only managed to beat Gilgamesh once or twice when he fumbled some moves, which doesn't happen often.
Gilgamesh does a really similar thing but uses it to create spacing rather than break initiative. Once you miss an attack due to this, he just catches you on your recovery.
As sosn as i saw the technique it directly reminded of a certain Gilgamesh guy who i encountered several times on EU duel servers, his gameplay is pretty much entirely based on this technique paired with warclub ..
Windup after canceled dodge needs to be reduced by torn banner. Fully matured dodges should not apply this windup debuff, or have the debuff be reduced. Against players with over 20 ping this technique works almost everytime. Also why I presently disagree with your warclub rating in duels.
@@SoterDave The competitive meta is mostly non feinted and feinted accelerated counters so it makes sense that this technique/warclub doesn’t work in tournaments. However, this technique works against 95% of players in non competitive duel and even comp TO servers. Warclub is just the best weapon to apply to this technique which is why I say it is better at 1v1’s. In regular duels warclub is A tier. Comp Is B tier.
Rip man just discovered you , and it’s crazy cause I am a gamer I never watched any tutorials on this game I got this game day 1 PlayStation and I swear I been using these techniques since day 1
At the end on the text box you said "I would not remove block-cancelling dodges as a whole because they are very important to high level gameplay". I'm curious, what else are good for? Do you have videos discussing it?
I have no videos on the topic, but one very important reason for block-cancelling dodges is defense. If you are in the middle of a dodge and an attack is incoming, you would obviously want to cancel to a block to defend yourself, rather than just taking the free hit.
Didn't torn banner address using counters to bypass the riposte time in one of the recent patches? I swear I remember seeing something about that. Just for fun I used to go entire games by only spamming counter slash with longsword or messer just to show how insanely good it is. Had no idea it was technically seen as an exploit. Edit: I see you talked about this tactic at the end video "machine gunning". That's interesting. This dash gamble technique is definitely very similar to that. Torn banner will probably nerf it at some point. Thankfully I don't see it being very game breaking.
Chiv2 is slowly transforming into Mordhau with all those autistic exploit moves. No wonder there is never a single full 40p server anymore and average player level in games is now crazy high. RIP was fun while it lasted.
The only thing that gets me is the hardware limits. I can cheese someone no matter how good they are, but can’t do anything when my ping is 70 on servers in my region :/
@@SoterDave good for you but most people don't want to practice moves like those for 30-120min to compete and that's why player count plummets. It just feels cheap and unintended.
It's not even meta right now, it's actually fairly easy to defeat once you understand it, but that initial confusion and lack of understanding of what is happening is what makes it powerful.
It's technique? Nah. It's just a mix of: 1. A poorly implemented cancel mechanism 2. Heavily Ping-affected, unbalanced initial-gamble trade-off. People in this community call it's 'fun' or 'technique', enjoy spamming and competing? Welcome to modern zoo 😂
I agree with the second aspect of it being negatively affected by ping, but it's totally valid gameplay and I enjoy fighting against it. It also just isn't that powerful once you understand it, and that's probably why the majority of competitive players don't utilize it.
@SoterDave It's a bug at first place. This game has many bugs at 0.1st place. 🎉 You can weaken its value based on its competitive influence, because competitively spamming keyboard and mouse is much easier than strategically reacting like a real Medieval figher. 😂 The dodge canceling is just a ridiculous, hilarious annotation of how bad this game is. 😂
I'll be Frank and Honest with you all: Chivalry 2/All Chivalry Games = Best Video Game Ever. If Not, Top 5 Greatest of All Time Video Games. This game brings us back in history no matter what background you are from. And you can play the team that is inspired from your culture, whether you are European Culture, Asian Culture, Middle-East Culture And All other Regions Culture. It's the video game that caters to everyone from all across the World 🌎🌍🌏
Hmm, there isn't really an asian faction but I get what you're saying. There's a lot of historical cultures that have had warriors, and almost no game captures them all. Regardless, still very enjoyable!
I think Chivalry Sagas is one of the games that there will always be a lot of players online that will always play it 24/7. Including me if I have a decked out gaming PC to use and play. Someday if I have a place of my own that I call Home, I'll be decking out my personal room into a nice gaming room with a nice decked out gaming pc, along with a nice gaming console (PS5) along with a nice TV. That is what I call a gaming room.
@@SoterDave And yeah mistake when I brought up the Asian faction, however, there is a DLC that is dedicated to the Japanese Samurai. And that is coming back all the way from the 1st of Chivalry.
Yeah, this one seems like a step too far. Pretty much all "tech" is exploits but there's a point where it screws up the gameplay too much imo. Worth learning though, if you don't wanna get one-sidedly stomped.
Now this here is a genuine, honest to god gomble. Also, I didn't know this was usable off jab clash like that. As a poleaxe player this might make me very happy.
oh shit so that was some people were doing. I thought they were hacking. But they were just exploiting the weird mechanics. I am not sure i like that though.
well, since this isn't an exploit, the only way they could patch it is by changing a core mechanic. The last part of this video explains in depth how I believe they should change the mechanics to nerf this technique. @@Oatmonke
@@SoterDave This is pretty much equivalent to the ballerinaing we had in chiv 1. Sadly it pretty much never got fixed and eventually killed the game... I hope they dont make the same mistake here.
@@SoterDave although thank you for clarifying the counter part of that, I honestly thought you just dodge after a successful hit then dodge then gamble
To be fair, he claimed that he learned it by observing the Chinese playerbase. Whether he invented it or not is irrelevant since he is the origin point of its utilization in the West.
I was unaware of its origins when making this video. I apologize for misrepresenting the technique's original creator, but the video will remain as it is.@@fsleowea680
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Rest in peace. You were a pillar of the community, and clearly an incredibly smart, creative, and kind person. You will be missed.
Saw this video of a guy being like achilles with a spear using this technique and I was mind blown around how he did it
Well now you know!
I will now enjoy my last few hours in the duel server before everyone and their mother starts noobin on me with this.
Fair enough
Damn, last couple vid as been incredibly informative. These techs are 🔥
Glad you're enjoying them!
Another example of Chivalry being easy to learn hard to master.
Absolutely!
dueling is so terrible
I don't believe it is terrible and I enjoy it, but I do agree that it is the lowest form of combat in Chivalry 2. I still believe incredible dueling prowess is something to be proud of.
That's because you never learned how to duel. You only use rapier in TO lol
@@SteveBearscemi neither did you blud
@@srgulch neither did you ma fren
Really good last videos, thanks man! I have a few questions which are really interesting for me:
1) how they spin so fast while aiming?
2) how they cancel bandage animation?
Thanks!
You can't really spin fast since there's something called a turncap which limits your turning sensitivity, so I'm not sure what you mean there. As for the cancelling of the bandage animation, you can cancel it by using an ammo box.
It's cool to finally see a name for this technique, I've been using it religiously in duel servers and it's so strong. Almost thought I found it on my own lmao
Yeah it's definitely a lot easier to refer to it now
duels servers gonna get spicy
maybe, but this technique is pretty hard to pull off and pretty easy to defeat.
Only pc players can use it because it’s bugged on Xbox so probably not
Isn't this also what Gilgamesh has been doing for a long time in EU? It basically breaks the combat. I've seen him go 35-0 with warclub.
I don't think it breaks the combat. It's simply just a gamble. I don't know what Gilgamesh has been doing, but this technique is pretty easy to beat once you understand it.
Hmm, okay, maybe it doesn't break the combat entirely, but my regular way of playing seems to go out the window. I've only managed to beat Gilgamesh once or twice when he fumbled some moves, which doesn't happen often.
@@nicksyoutubeaccount be like water. Change based on the shape of the fight.
Gilgamesh does a really similar thing but uses it to create spacing rather than break initiative. Once you miss an attack due to this, he just catches you on your recovery.
its an exploid... not a gamble and yes Gilga does this aswell@@SoterDave
As sosn as i saw the technique it directly reminded of a certain Gilgamesh guy who i encountered several times on EU duel servers, his gameplay is pretty much entirely based on this technique paired with warclub ..
Windup after canceled dodge needs to be reduced by torn banner. Fully matured dodges should not apply this windup debuff, or have the debuff be reduced. Against players with over 20 ping this technique works almost everytime. Also why I presently disagree with your warclub rating in duels.
Fair enough, but warclub has never won a duel tournament, so I don't see a reason to rate it too highly.
@@SoterDave The competitive
meta is mostly non feinted and feinted accelerated counters so it makes sense that this technique/warclub doesn’t work in tournaments. However, this technique works against 95% of players in non competitive duel and even comp TO servers. Warclub is just the best weapon to apply to this technique which is why I say it is better at 1v1’s. In regular duels warclub is A tier. Comp Is B tier.
Is that dark and darker video or stream ant the background at the strart of the video😂 "hit that warlock"
Who knows
Torn banner hire Soter Dave
I would love the oppurtunity
Rip man just discovered you , and it’s crazy cause I am a gamer I never watched any tutorials on this game I got this game day 1 PlayStation and I swear I been using these techniques since day 1
At the end on the text box you said "I would not remove block-cancelling dodges as a whole because they are very important to high level gameplay". I'm curious, what else are good for? Do you have videos discussing it?
I have no videos on the topic, but one very important reason for block-cancelling dodges is defense. If you are in the middle of a dodge and an attack is incoming, you would obviously want to cancel to a block to defend yourself, rather than just taking the free hit.
Didn't torn banner address using counters to bypass the riposte time in one of the recent patches? I swear I remember seeing something about that. Just for fun I used to go entire games by only spamming counter slash with longsword or messer just to show how insanely good it is. Had no idea it was technically seen as an exploit.
Edit: I see you talked about this tactic at the end video "machine gunning". That's interesting. This dash gamble technique is definitely very similar to that. Torn banner will probably nerf it at some point. Thankfully I don't see it being very game breaking.
yeah, the video goes over how 'machinegunning' as it was known was patched a few updates ago
It’s me in the Title 😅
heck yeah!
@@SoterDavethx for mention me ❤
Hey Dave, do you train console players?
Yes I do! Just hmu on metafy at mfy.gg/@dave
can u retitle it to “Epic new cheat chivalry II. DO NOT USE”
yes!
Chiv2 is slowly transforming into Mordhau with all those autistic exploit moves. No wonder there is never a single full 40p server anymore and average player level in games is now crazy high. RIP was fun while it lasted.
I still enjoy it, even with crazy techniques like this.
The only thing that gets me is the hardware limits. I can cheese someone no matter how good they are, but can’t do anything when my ping is 70 on servers in my region :/
@@SoterDave good for you but most people don't want to practice moves like those for 30-120min to compete and that's why player count plummets. It just feels cheap and unintended.
It was bound to happen
It's not bad now. I started like 2-3 months ago and I've been able to top leaderboards in TO and FFA. I still get wrecked in duel servers though.
I got hit with this shit and never realised there was a dash between hits. Really broken visually and balance-wise, hope won't be meta for long
It's not even meta right now, it's actually fairly easy to defeat once you understand it, but that initial confusion and lack of understanding of what is happening is what makes it powerful.
I learned this on november 2023 and still players can't figure out what am doing
Unfortunately, the average player knows very little
1 week since u showed me this and I'm still laughing
Ridiculous wow
It's a pretty crazy technique
Good video
thanks!
Thanks for the video. I’ll practice this in TO till they kick me
lol good luck
@@SoterDave ty I’ll need it, fucking i3-3000 era cpu. If I had $400 and new internet. Omg the carnage
It's technique? Nah.
It's just a mix of:
1. A poorly implemented cancel mechanism
2. Heavily Ping-affected, unbalanced initial-gamble trade-off.
People in this community call it's 'fun' or 'technique', enjoy spamming and competing? Welcome to modern zoo 😂
I agree with the second aspect of it being negatively affected by ping, but it's totally valid gameplay and I enjoy fighting against it.
It also just isn't that powerful once you understand it, and that's probably why the majority of competitive players don't utilize it.
@SoterDave It's a bug at first place. This game has many bugs at 0.1st place. 🎉
You can weaken its value based on its competitive influence, because competitively spamming keyboard and mouse is much easier than strategically reacting like a real Medieval figher. 😂
The dodge canceling is just a ridiculous, hilarious annotation of how bad this game is. 😂
I'll be Frank and Honest with you all:
Chivalry 2/All Chivalry Games = Best Video Game Ever.
If Not, Top 5 Greatest of All Time Video Games.
This game brings us back in history no matter what background you are from. And you can play the team that is inspired from your culture, whether you are European Culture, Asian Culture, Middle-East Culture And All other Regions Culture. It's the video game that caters to everyone from all across the World 🌎🌍🌏
Hmm, there isn't really an asian faction but I get what you're saying. There's a lot of historical cultures that have had warriors, and almost no game captures them all. Regardless, still very enjoyable!
I think Chivalry Sagas is one of the games that there will always be a lot of players online that will always play it 24/7.
Including me if I have a decked out gaming PC to use and play.
Someday if I have a place of my own that I call Home, I'll be decking out my personal room into a nice gaming room with a nice decked out gaming pc, along with a nice gaming console (PS5) along with a nice TV. That is what I call a gaming room.
@@SoterDave And yeah mistake when I brought up the Asian faction, however, there is a DLC that is dedicated to the Japanese Samurai. And that is coming back all the way from the 1st of Chivalry.
Yeah, this one seems like a step too far. Pretty much all "tech" is exploits but there's a point where it screws up the gameplay too much imo. Worth learning though, if you don't wanna get one-sidedly stomped.
good to learn if only to defend yourself properly
Funniest shit is that you can spam it infinitely if you go like rapier haha, cause you can do it after hitting your opponent too
Not much of a point to using it on rapier in my opinion
@@SoterDave why not?
just doesnt seem to work as good@@Creviii
oh no... i feel like the game just got a whole lot tougher...
No, just a fancy technique!
@@SoterDave hey can you combine this with the Steve dodge?
Now this here is a genuine, honest to god gomble.
Also, I didn't know this was usable off jab clash like that. As a poleaxe player this might make me very happy.
Yes it is
oh shit so that was some people were doing. I thought they were hacking. But they were just exploiting the weird mechanics.
I am not sure i like that though.
It's definitely iffy
max chiv intellegence is crazy haha
Yeah I don't know why I thought of that one
You know they are gonna patch this shit now right ?
Torn banner patching shit? Yeah right maybe in 6 months 😂
well, since this isn't an exploit, the only way they could patch it is by changing a core mechanic. The last part of this video explains in depth how I believe they should change the mechanics to nerf this technique. @@Oatmonke
@@SoterDave I never said that they'd patch anything, I was only responding to the original commenter since I had found it funny.
@@SoterDave This is pretty much equivalent to the ballerinaing we had in chiv 1. Sadly it pretty much never got fixed and eventually killed the game... I hope they dont make the same mistake here.
This is some dark magic, I'll make sure to learn it lol, thanks brother
No problem
You didn’t want to show this? Anybody in duel servers in the last few months has seen this, mostly war club
Part of the reason why I felt validated in making this video is how widespread the technique has become over the course of the last few weeks
@@SoterDave although thank you for clarifying the counter part of that, I honestly thought you just dodge after a successful hit then dodge then gamble
I made it in a Dave video 🎉
🥳
do NOT release a video on the Moose Jab or it will DESTROY the chivalry 2 competitive community
what's that" you jab em in the junk?
Understood
@@SoterDave teach me! and me alone! lol
bro is really commenting on a dave video when he owes me money.... CRAZY
I’ve been doing this without realizing it had a name
Well now you know what to call it
These guys using macros, I'm waiting on button remapping haha
No macros necessary! All of this can be inputted legitimately.
I hope for the na duelists that this won’t become meta ;)
It probably won't. It's too easy to defeat
I expect you to ft5 doomer then : )
@@SoterDave
And win ofc
@@adammarsta3253 I'd be open to it. But we are in different regions so it can't realistically be done fairly
another certified banger
Glad you enjoyed it!
yea this loos like some dumb shit but aye nothings gayer than rapier
it is what it is
thanks doomer but this seems to hard to learnn love from nz
It is pretty difficult to perform
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goat
Doomer didn't invent dash gamble people we're using it way before on Chinese servers
To be fair, he claimed that he learned it by observing the Chinese playerbase. Whether he invented it or not is irrelevant since he is the origin point of its utilization in the West.
@@SoterDave then it ain't right to say "he invented it"
I was unaware of its origins when making this video. I apologize for misrepresenting the technique's original creator, but the video will remain as it is.@@fsleowea680