This looks AMAZING! As a Sony FX3 & A7siii user, if you can add in some functionality to those cameras I think you’ll have a huge additional community buy-in for your product!
good job! i'm excited for the sony compatibility as it will add the possibility to use the A7S2 and a7S3. I have a suggestion to make this a complete setup. maybe you can make a power box that attach to the other side of the gimbal. POE++ input with power output for the gimbal, camera and accessories and network output for the APC-R mini.
Tilta and Smallrig make power adapters for the gimbal that lets you plug them into the wall (the smallrig one also has a power out port for accessories) and the APC-R is powered by the gimbal directly. So that should already be accessible! :)
Love it! Sony camera control would be big for me. I am planing to use this in a car rig to remote control the gimbal. Therefore a mobile app with reduced functionality would be awesome. But I see this is quite a niche. Keep up the great work!
Sony camera control would be great, especially if the zoom could be controlled via wired multiport, either via the gimbal or directly. Then the FX30 in combo with the 18-105mm F4 PZ or FX3 with the 28-135mm F4 PZ could make an affordable alternative to a high-end PTZ camera like the FR7!
In the livestream/broadcast world Komodos are super popular. Especially on dolly sliders like the Defy Rhythm Compact. Would love to see support for them with this!
Are you also planning to extend support to Lumix S9, S5iix etc? I have one APC-R Mini device from you for the Ronin RS2 remote control, but without the ability to control the camera itself, the benefit of the device is not great. If in the future it would be possible to control the camera (via USB C cable or bluetooth) using the APC-R Mini I would like to add it to each camera. We have a Blackmagic Design ATEM and if this product could be used to provide compatibylity with Lumix cameras it would be a great solution.
I recently got my apcr mini 👌 powerful! Using a Sony camera with Bluetooth conexión(or Sony multi) to rs4 pro, it’s possible to control a power zoom lens from your app? I can control the power zoom with the gimbal but not with the app right now. It’s the zoom option in the app just working with focus wheel?
This is awesome. I would love to see control for Canon as well. I would have purchased the previous version immediately when I saw it if there was canon compatibility then already. Keep up the great work!
For the micro G2 you say you have to have an atem, but does it have to be directly connected to the hdmi or sci ports for camera control, or can the item just be on the network connected to your computer and then the Micro G2 with the APCr attached can detect the atem mini through wifi can can be controlled on the laptop/streamdeck etc in that way? So basically want to know if the G2 can be controlled (wb/focus etc) with just the aper-mini remotely through wifi along with the item at base station with the laptop or does it have to be directly connected to the camera as well. Thank you!
@@MiddleThings I have sent y’all emails about this already. Joystick is not latent fast anymore, APC-R not detecting CanBus, and Zoom doesn’t respond anymore. I use all the products recommended by y’all and it worked really good until this started happing a few months ago.
I have sent emails about this to y’all but some issues we see is the gimbal not responding as fast as it used to, adjusting camera settings is delayed, APC-R not detecting CanBus, and the zoom not working as intended anymore. We use the controllers and gimbals recommended by Middle Things so it’s just odd that it worked amazing for 2 years and now it’s iffy.
@@SergioMartinez-dp9qt Are you on Windows or Mac OS ? Are you sure your APC-R is up to date with latest firmware ? Wifi or Ethernet ? It is definitely abnormal, please resend us a quick email so we can troubleshoot the exact issue.
how would this work with non blackmagic camera ? suppose a Panasonic one. I will have ptz control over the gimbal , but would need to use their app to adjust the focus and other camera controls remotely ? I know DJI and Panasonic have relatively good integration now
@@AdrenalineImpact Should likely be a software update but since we are not 100% sure we don't recommend to make a purchase decision based on future software updates.
Super produit, hâte de l'essayer ! For the standalone remote tally and camera control, do you use the USB-C for data or power? Trying to find out if I could use a power bank and then be able to use an SSD via USB.
We use a Smallrig power supply base with a Mains to DTap power adapter like this : www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1582480-REG/indipro_tools_acdfdt1_12v_ac_power_supply.html
@@MiddleThingsI'll have a look, thanks. Do you also now about this problem: My gimbal is shaking just a little bit if it's standing still. I adjusted the deadbands to high - now it's better but not gone. Any APC-R user knows this problem?
Looks great!! Just wish the ethernet connection was on the bottom as it’s always going to be sticking out and physically pulling down on the port when plugged in. Otherwise, very nice design.
It was quite a big dilemma, because having the unit downwards also prevent usecases with the Tilta or Smallrig power supply base and reduce mounting options. If you want you can use a thin right angle Ethernet cable just like the video which you can run along the APC-R mini and then down.
Insane ! Got 2 questions : - is it possible to set and recall position ? ( Like position 1 is speaker 1, pos 2 speaker 2, etc...) - if yes, is it possible to go back to those position using companion?
Looks awesome! Does middle control software allow programmed moves over time, not just position recall? Or can it connect to dragonframe or similar software for repeatable camera moves?
Yes the APC-R Mini is powered by the gimbal, however it is impossible to power a Ronin gimbal through this accessory port. So we cannot have POE+ that would power the gimbal
Can you get a completely wireless setup that is able to control gimbal and BMD camera with the new APC-R Mini? Wireless camera and ptz control and wireless sdi/hdmi with teradeck?
oh god. I also just noticed the "active track" button in the Bitcompanion Section of your Video 😄 Can you also start/stop Active Track of the Raveneye with this?
Debating right now if I should try and build out. a kit with a Sony Zv e1 in the center And basically see if it can go up against a Sony FR7 in terms of functionality for half the price.
We’ve got the acp-r on the multiple Sony a7cii and a7iv with 70-200, 200-600. Yes, They can compete and it’s under half the price :) Just watch out for possible over heating on the ZV-E1. Haven’t had any problems on ours with record 4K internal and and 1080 hdmi out.
This is what many have been waiting for. Thanks to the original APC-R and its Accessories. Now that we have it all in one form factor chassis, I want to ask if you have plans for iOS/iPadOS control App? It would be very nice to use a virtual joystick on our iPhone/iPad touch screen. And using an iPad, in many ways we can have live camera feed and control App if you develop it.
@@kayizijoel1167 you can connect the apcr to bifocus companion with a stream deck and then you can control the gimbal via a phone/ipad with WiFi if you are in the same network, you just need write the same ip port in your phone browser and choose “emulator”
DJI has been indeed offering this feature for a long time. However our system is designed for users in a live production environment where the control room is far away from the cameras and 99% of the time will be out of range of the DJI Ronin Bluetooth chip.
i have the dji rs2 gimbal, and Nikon Z2II, it will amazing combo with your APC-R Mini on Gimball control. But it is the APC-R Mini is Wifi ? if yes it not use NDI protocol ? Because, many people (and me) use multiple PTZ camera, and one camera dslr-hybrid.. (nikon for me) , all PTZ control (pan, move), but all are use NDI protocol, yes is not free, but really perform network, and all are controled by the same software (all software PTZ know NDI protocol) The insane are APC-R Mini is Wifi and know NDI Protocol. I can use every software PTZ for real PTZ cam and control Gimbal. For control some feature of Nikon Z6II, i know is not in your roadmap. :( If you say ...i buy the APC-R Mini :-)
Hello, DJI has been indeed offering this feature for a long time. However our system is designed for users in a live production environment where the control room is far away from the cameras and 99% of the time will be out of range of the DJI Ronin Bluetooth chip.
Very impressive. Another vote for Sony FX3 support from me.
This looks AMAZING! As a Sony FX3 & A7siii user, if you can add in some functionality to those cameras I think you’ll have a huge additional community buy-in for your product!
Working hard on supporting all these cameras in the future !
@@MiddleThings would love to see the sony zve1 aswell basickly same camera just cheaper
@@MiddleThings any update on the Sony camera support?
On Mac OS : Imminent beta release of Middle Control Pro that introduces Sony camera control. Should be out this week.
good job! i'm excited for the sony compatibility as it will add the possibility to use the A7S2 and a7S3. I have a suggestion to make this a complete setup. maybe you can make a power box that attach to the other side of the gimbal. POE++ input with power output for the gimbal, camera and accessories and network output for the APC-R mini.
Tilta and Smallrig make power adapters for the gimbal that lets you plug them into the wall (the smallrig one also has a power out port for accessories) and the APC-R is powered by the gimbal directly. So that should already be accessible! :)
Wow, the whole thing looks so impressive and like, opening a complete new world of possibilities !!
Bravo pour cette super update… je sens que ça va finir de me convaincre d'utiliser un APC-R (Mini !)
Wow! Perfect tool! Please made this compatible with the Sony FX series and maybe the z200
Love it! Sony camera control would be big for me. I am planing to use this in a car rig to remote control the gimbal. Therefore a mobile app with reduced functionality would be awesome. But I see this is quite a niche. Keep up the great work!
just waiting for sony camera compability then ill order two!
Sony camera control would be great, especially if the zoom could be controlled via wired multiport, either via the gimbal or directly. Then the FX30 in combo with the 18-105mm F4 PZ or FX3 with the 28-135mm F4 PZ could make an affordable alternative to a high-end PTZ camera like the FR7!
Excellent news, and congratulations ont he new product, it looks like a great improvement on the old design!
In the livestream/broadcast world Komodos are super popular. Especially on dolly sliders like the Defy Rhythm Compact. Would love to see support for them with this!
Is there support for Sony now???
It's coming, slowly but it's coming :)
@@MiddleThings thats what holding off from buying one. looking forward.
I would also like to see some Canon and Lumix support eventually. I have preordered an APC-R Mini though. Already have two APC-R units.
That thing is Insane!!!!!! I want to put this though it’s paces !!
Are you also planning to extend support to Lumix S9, S5iix etc? I have one APC-R Mini device from you for the Ronin RS2 remote control, but without the ability to control the camera itself, the benefit of the device is not great. If in the future it would be possible to control the camera (via USB C cable or bluetooth) using the APC-R Mini I would like to add it to each camera. We have a Blackmagic Design ATEM and if this product could be used to provide compatibylity with Lumix cameras it would be a great solution.
I recently got my apcr mini 👌 powerful!
Using a Sony camera with Bluetooth conexión(or Sony multi) to rs4 pro, it’s possible to control a power zoom lens from your app? I can control the power zoom with the gimbal but not with the app right now. It’s the zoom option in the app just working with focus wheel?
Nice work guys!
Thanks!
This is awesome. I would love to see control for Canon as well. I would have purchased the previous version immediately when I saw it if there was canon compatibility then already. Keep up the great work!
And I would echo this with Lumix!
@@TheTechnoPilot and Nikon ^^
It looks awesome. Even if i don't have that kind of production, yet i'm still very interested
For the micro G2 you say you have to have an atem, but does it have to be directly connected to the hdmi or sci ports for camera control, or can the item just be on the network connected to your computer and then the Micro G2 with the APCr attached can detect the atem mini through wifi can can be controlled on the laptop/streamdeck etc in that way? So basically want to know if the G2 can be controlled (wb/focus etc) with just the aper-mini remotely through wifi along with the item at base station with the laptop or does it have to be directly connected to the camera as well. Thank you!
Is this ethernet only or can it connect over Wi-Fi?
Sony support is the other requirement I have.
I’m hoping this fixes the latest bugs that kept appearing in my regular APC-R. I look forward to purchasing 2
Hey Sergio ! Could you let us know your bugs that you have ?
@@MiddleThings I have sent y’all emails about this already. Joystick is not latent fast anymore, APC-R not detecting CanBus, and Zoom doesn’t respond anymore. I use all the products recommended by y’all and it worked really good until this started happing a few months ago.
I have sent emails about this to y’all but some issues we see is the gimbal not responding as fast as it used to, adjusting camera settings is delayed, APC-R not detecting CanBus, and the zoom not working as intended anymore. We use the controllers and gimbals recommended by Middle Things so it’s just odd that it worked amazing for 2 years and now it’s iffy.
@@SergioMartinez-dp9qt Are you on Windows or Mac OS ? Are you sure your APC-R is up to date with latest firmware ? Wifi or Ethernet ? It is definitely abnormal, please resend us a quick email so we can troubleshoot the exact issue.
@@MiddleThings Mac OS, Latest Firmware Update, Ethernet
Looks good! Support for RED komodo / DSMC3 comming?
how would this work with non blackmagic camera ? suppose a Panasonic one.
I will have ptz control over the gimbal , but would need to use their app to adjust the focus and other camera controls remotely ?
I know DJI and Panasonic have relatively good integration now
Sony Control….It would be Awesome!!!
Working on it :)
Would it be in a firmware update or a new hardware version? Im about to checkout my first APCR Mini@@MiddleThings
@@AdrenalineImpact Should likely be a software update but since we are not 100% sure we don't recommend to make a purchase decision based on future software updates.
Really nice !
assuming there is some visca ip with this. can be controlled with one of the many skaarhoj/bluepill controllers? thanks.
does it work with Ronin 4d?
Can you recall PTZ position with this unit and RS3/RS4?
You can save and recall positions using the middle things software or companion on a stream deck.
Wow, you guys are awesome
Any possible support for canon? Broadcast and cinema like the Canon C70.
Wow. That’s insane.😮
Woooowww really good job, thanks for that.
does it have to use a BM camera?
I'm confused. if i have a RS2 and the APC- mini would I have to use an ethernet cable from my gimbal all the way to to a router?
Yes
Will you be showcasing this on IBC this year?
If I don't have access to a ethernet cable to our router, can I use wifi?
Sony zv e1 ?
Does this device connect to the ronin 2 remote?
Unfortunately it doesn't
sony fx6 control would be nice
Super produit, hâte de l'essayer ! For the standalone remote tally and camera control, do you use the USB-C for data or power? Trying to find out if I could use a power bank and then be able to use an SSD via USB.
Is there any reason you guys haven't tried using any of edelkrone PTZ products for this?
Awesome product, thank you!
How do you power the gimbal over the base plate adapter? Which cables do you use?
We use a Smallrig power supply base with a Mains to DTap power adapter like this : www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1582480-REG/indipro_tools_acdfdt1_12v_ac_power_supply.html
@@MiddleThingsI'll have a look, thanks. Do you also now about this problem:
My gimbal is shaking just a little bit if it's standing still. I adjusted the deadbands to high - now it's better but not gone.
Any APC-R user knows this problem?
APC-R Mini can work without a gimbal? just to control the camera via Wi-Fi
Amazing!!
Awesome work! This could very be our first buy from Middle Things. We still using the old Ronin RS2 Pro, should be compatible right?
Yes, absolutely
Looks great!! Just wish the ethernet connection was on the bottom as it’s always going to be sticking out and physically pulling down on the port when plugged in. Otherwise, very nice design.
Fully agree, even if the size of it would increase a bit to fitt the connector. Looks as if it's to big for this new design
It was quite a big dilemma, because having the unit downwards also prevent usecases with the Tilta or Smallrig power supply base and reduce mounting options. If you want you can use a thin right angle Ethernet cable just like the video which you can run along the APC-R mini and then down.
Insane !
Got 2 questions :
- is it possible to set and recall position ? ( Like position 1 is speaker 1, pos 2 speaker 2, etc...)
- if yes, is it possible to go back to those position using companion?
Yes you can set and recall positions with or without Companion. We have a dedicated plugin. Plenty of possibilities !
If I already have an IP PTZ Controller connected to the same network, Can I use it instead of a Joystick to control one or more cameras?
Not quite sure this will work. It is only compatible with USB joysticks, Middle Remote, or BitFocus Companion.
Looks awesome! Does middle control software allow programmed moves over time, not just position recall? Or can it connect to dragonframe or similar software for repeatable camera moves?
Only position recalls, but you can do advanced sequences with Bitfocus Companion, quite a few possibilities here!
WoW. Amazing!! Is it POE+ powered? Can the POE power charge the camera?
The APC-R (normal version) was just powered by the gimbal… so I assume this one would be too?
Yes the APC-R Mini is powered by the gimbal, however it is impossible to power a Ronin gimbal through this accessory port. So we cannot have POE+ that would power the gimbal
Can you get a completely wireless setup that is able to control gimbal and BMD camera with the new APC-R Mini? Wireless camera and ptz control and wireless sdi/hdmi with teradeck?
My problem has been there is no 2 way sdi/hmi wireless system so you can use camera control as well.
Yes you can do that !
Looks really slick, any chance gimbal control this works with the PTZ joystick built into the Blackmagic ATEM 4K8?
Yes it does! You can use the ATEM 4K8 joystick.
Wow! This is great!
Does this also still work with the RS2 Pro Combo? So Gimbal + FocusMotor control?
Oh, and can you also still set Positions within Streamdeck/Bitcompanion to quickly switch between predefined positions?
oh god. I also just noticed the "active track" button in the Bitcompanion Section of your Video 😄
Can you also start/stop Active Track of the Raveneye with this?
Yes, you can.
Yes, on the Dji app, a mapped controller, or programmed companion stream deck.
Please add support for the Canon R5 C.
Taking note of this
Debating right now if I should try and build out. a kit with a Sony Zv e1 in the center And basically see if it can go up against a Sony FR7 in terms of functionality for half the price.
We’ve got the acp-r on the multiple Sony a7cii and a7iv with 70-200, 200-600. Yes, They can compete and it’s under half the price :) Just watch out for possible over heating on the ZV-E1. Haven’t had any problems on ours with record 4K internal and and 1080 hdmi out.
why not do it for dslr camera?
We use the Apc-r with our mirrorless camera. You just give up the camera controls but get a ptz head.
@@timothy4262 cost to much money for ptz dslr is better
Very interesting.
This is what many have been waiting for. Thanks to the original APC-R and its Accessories. Now that we have it all in one form factor chassis, I want to ask if you have plans for iOS/iPadOS control App? It would be very nice to use a virtual joystick on our iPhone/iPad touch screen. And using an iPad, in many ways we can have live camera feed and control App if you develop it.
That's part of our plans, but more long term than short!
@@kayizijoel1167 you can connect the apcr to bifocus companion with a stream deck and then you can control the gimbal via a phone/ipad with WiFi if you are in the same network, you just need write the same ip port in your phone browser and choose “emulator”
Does this support DJI RS3, I do not see this in your compatibility list.
It does.
It supports RS2 / RS2 Pro / RS3 Pro / RS4 / RS4 Pro
@@MiddleThings so RS3(not pro) isn’t supported.
@@opejegede3971 yes indeed
What a fantastic product!
Is it compatible with the DJI RS2 and a PlayStation 5 controller?
It works with my RS2 Pro and xbox controller. Not sure about PS5 tho
🔥🔥🔥🔥
take my money!
Eh bonjour depuis le Burger King de Montparnasse
Super initiative tech' en tout cas ça donne envie !
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zcam compatibility!
This is already possible with the Ronin app and a PS4/Xbox Controller.
DJI has been indeed offering this feature for a long time. However our system is designed for users in a live production environment where the control room is far away from the cameras and 99% of the time will be out of range of the DJI Ronin Bluetooth chip.
@@MiddleThings Fair enough I guess, I use the native method multiple times a month for live productions so I assumed it was more common
You can do this with your Xbox controller
Canon support ❤
Twitch bathtub streams bring more raunchy with all those cam angles.
I can do all this with my smartphone :)
This!
Vote for Nikon Z8 support
Please Sony cameras support. Lumix and Canon support also be gerat!
WAIT... ZEBRA ZONE??
i have the dji rs2 gimbal, and Nikon Z2II, it will amazing combo with your APC-R Mini on Gimball control. But it is the APC-R Mini is Wifi ? if yes it not use NDI protocol ?
Because, many people (and me) use multiple PTZ camera, and one camera dslr-hybrid.. (nikon for me) , all PTZ control (pan, move), but all are use NDI protocol, yes is not free, but really perform network, and all are controled by the same software (all software PTZ know NDI protocol)
The insane are APC-R Mini is Wifi and know NDI Protocol. I can use every software PTZ for real PTZ cam and control Gimbal.
For control some feature of Nikon Z6II, i know is not in your roadmap. :(
If you say ...i buy the APC-R Mini :-)
is he from zebra zone?
Yes !
@@MiddleThings I'm big fan since long time - started watching about the tv camera and binge watched all videos
was about asking the same question
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Why the heck it is needed when DJI official app supports Xbox and Sony PS controllers?? You are an unnecessary middleware
Hello,
DJI has been indeed offering this feature for a long time. However our system is designed for users in a live production environment where the control room is far away from the cameras and 99% of the time will be out of range of the DJI Ronin Bluetooth chip.