Xtreme Defense vs a Hollow-Point bullet through a Barrier - gel test. Here's what happened.
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- Опубликовано: 29 июн 2024
- We put the 90-Grain Xtreme Defense 9mm bullet up against a premium Hollow-Point 124-Grain bullet. We shot these bullets through the same Wilson Combat 4-inch Professional. For the test both bullets went through the same plywood barrier and into a 20-inch ballistic gelatin. The result proved that while Hollow-Points clog and will not expand if shot through a barrier, the Xtreme Defense is truly barrier blind. We used a high speed camera for this test at 4000 frames per second.
See how the 90-grain Xtreme Defense performed without a barrier in this test. • Lehigh Defense - Xtrem...
Xtreme Defense is machined from solid copper with the most advanced technology called Fluid Transfer Monolithic. The progressive geometry allows for deep, straight penetration while creating a permanent wound cavity diameter exceeding that of most expanding bullets. Penetrating barriers such as drywall or heavy clothing prior to impacting the intended target doesn’t have the potentially negative effect on the Xtreme Defense that it does to conventional hollow point bullets.
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0:00 - Hollow-Point 124-Grain bullet
2:30 - 90-Grain Xtreme Defense bullet 
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Love the Lehigh "Philip's head Death driver"
I don't even buy hollow points anymore. Great invention for their time, but the new barrier blind Lehigh bullet designs on the extreme defenders and penetrator are a no brainer. I use the 68 grain 1800 fps variety in my edc.
What kind of recoil and muzzle flip are you experiencing with those light 1800 FPS projectiles? Also, what weapon are you running? I’m thinking of getting these for my Sig p239
I enjoyed watching your video. Due to this and other gel tests video's I've watched > I recently changed my EDC ammo for my Ruger 380 Max over TO the Xtreme Defense 380. Thanks for posting....
No brainer for the 380. All else falls short.
Why shoot through plywood?? Not to many perps are wearing plywood.
Even though the 124 grain was clogged, it still has the largest permanent wound channel
It looks like that to me, too. I'd have expected the EDs to penetrate better than they did. This didn't win me over.
@@doghousedon1 Yeah I'm surprised they published this with that obvious result, and tried to pivot to overpenetration, a tired and dumb topic. in the real world many shots will just miss the target. This really confirms what I believed about these bullets which is the flutes just make them tumble or yaw in gel to produce a larger "wound cavity" , which by the way gel isn't even designed to show wounding, it's just a consistent medium to compare bullet penetration and deformation. Here is a super cool video that shows what the xtreme defender bullets are actually doing, the flutes displacing fluid and causing more wounding is just nonsense. At about the 4min 30 sec is a super slow mo of the defender bullet yawing weirdly through the gel, perhaps the flutes are useful to get the yawing action but obviously aren't doing what they are advertised to do.
ruclips.net/video/sxRqYPpDCZU/видео.html
I came to say the same thing. Yes, the hollow point exited the gel, but it didn't look like it had the energy to do any damage at that point. Even with the hollow point not opening, it still seemed to create a larger wound cavity. I'm sure either round would be effective as a defense round, but this demonstration didn't make the fluted round seem any better.
@@1diggers1 Nice video, very intersting. But even so the flutes make the bullet tumble more the sharp edges will do more tissue damage than a slick fmj. So its both.
@@Gieszkanne Also, the hollow point was tumbling in the air after it exited.
The hollow point appears to be the Federal HST, As it exited the gel block, It had expended >98 % of It's energy and did not have enought velocity to break the skin of someone behind the block, after passing through the wood, the bullet began to tumble and created a fairly decent would cavity, don't get me wrong, the monolithic CNC machined copper fluted bullet is a great performer, especially, the +P and +P+, loadings, and I've seen them outperform the HSTs.
I've carried the 124g HST for many years. I wish I could find those 50-round boxes I used to buy of it for cheap still. Luckily I stocked up on a bunch of them prior to COVID when ammo was still cheap.
As a attorney I only will say this,keep using these rounds it will put you I jail. If LEO does not use them you will have your first problem. Second problem is that prosecutors consider these rounds hunting rounds. Just a fair warning.
Shpulda used the 68g
I was introduced to the Lehigh projectiles loaded in many Underwood ammo offerings. The combo of Leigh projectiles and Underwood's premium powder loads justifies their premium prices. When you may only get one defensive shot, I want it to be the best I can get. I haven't tried Lehigh Defense ammo yet, but I assume they are on an equal par with Underwood? Either way, you can't go wrong.
This comment literally sounds like ChatGPT spit it out for cheesy marketing.
U do know BILL Willson bought Lehigh defense?
Whether or not the hollow point expanded, it left a much more devastating wound channel than the Extreme Defense. And even though the hollow point went through the gel, it more than likely would bounce off of your hand and not even leave a mark. Oh, and the fact you didn’t mention what “premium” hollow point was used, it’s practically impossible to take this “test” seriously.
I am not terribly worried about overpenetration. I spent so much of my early gun years worrying about everyone saying my cartridge choices were anemic, turns out they penetrate fine. I just have to put shots in the right spot and avoid raves, both of which I already strive to do.
extreme defense 68 plus p is the way
In coroner reports it’s amazing what percentage of hollow points don’t open in people.
What is the percentage?
I've been using these 120g bullets in a 357 Mag rifle to put down coyotes. The effects are noticably different than 158g hollowpoints. I'm starting to load these for all my self defense weapons.
How about the G9 10mm ammunition 95 grain EHP moving at 1720 FPS...now that seems impressive.
Hey guys, can you do a ballistic gel test with a 9mm 68gr+p out of a 16" barrel?
Bravo. Thenks
the hollow point caused another 3 inches of damage when passing through, in addition the weight of the bullet is greater and became even greater when expanding
Now compare it to G9
why not test it in 4-layer-denim covered gelatin?
A meat target would be better.😉👍
It has been done before: ruclips.net/video/4IPNXhzecnM/видео.html .
But this test here pushes the JHP to its failure point, while the XD treats it like another day at the office.
Do you plan to go up against Jay Leno ?
Moral of the story: Don't try to put down a perp clad in 3/4" plywood with JHPs. SMH
Clogged is consider a HP failure and even like that the standard HP done it better. the G9 dont impress me at all, for $2,35 per round you expect more. Buy a "Hornity" critical duty or critical defense for half of the price, law enforcement use it.
Unfortunately the test is invalid, as a 124 gr bullet is obviously heavier than a 90 gr one, so it has more momentum even at lower speeds therefore it can push itself further into a particular substance, ergo the experemient isn't fair. You should have pitted the 124 gr HP against a 124 gr Xtreme Dfs bullet for a more realistic and fairer comparison.
The test is valid. And he also literally explains why it over penetrated... Nothing to do with weight in this case.
Boo shut up
@@blacklight6200 *he gave some explanation which I know from experience is not valid. A heavier object has more momentum even at lower speeds than a lighter one going somewhat faster (proven scientific theory) = the heavier did in fact go further. 🤷♂️
@@justafloridamanfromthe75thRR yes the addition weight will carry it farther but that is not why it over penetrated in this test. It over penetrated due to the hollow point cavity filling with material causing the projectile to not expand. This made the projectile behave as a fmj type projectile and caused it to go straight through the entire block ie over penetrating. It could have been a 60 grain projectile and it still would have over penetrated. Yes weight will affect penetration. However, in this test, the effect weight had would have been insignificant due to the probable lack of expansion. Which is what this video was attempting to demonstrate. That even high quality hollow points are outdated and the flaws that come with them primarily being that they get clogged and over penetrate can be over come by this newer FTM projectile that use fluid mechanics to prevent over penetration rather than increasing its diameter. Yes weight affects penetration. But there are so many other factors that also affect penetration that caused weight to be insignificant in this particular test.
Test is perfectly valid. Two different bullet types, one old tech, one new tech. The new tech won. And extreme defenders are made to be light grain anyway for more velocity.
Wrong to use 124 vs 90. Results may be because of grain differences. Invalidated.
So if I want to shoot bad guys through walls without worrying about over penetration ….. 🤔
Or windshields
The military uses FMJ 9 mm bullets so why not use the +P version of the NON-EXPANDING Xtreme Defense or Honey Badger style bullets?
They have greater velocity, giving them greater range and still be "legal" internationally.
I would prefer if the military would not take our civilian products for their shenanigans. I wouldn't want their prices go up because they gave out too much "military discounts".
@@apothiconservant5288 "...their shenanigans"??? Making solid copper bullets UNDER LICENSE would not impact the cost of civilian ammunition. If Honey badger or Xtreme Penetration bullets make our submachine guns more lethal than by all means USE THEM!.
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How about a legit testing procedure following the FBI's protocol rather than a layer of plywood, so people would stop thinking this is some gimmicky stuff.
Agreed. i try not to shoot through walls (plywood/sheetrock) if I can help it...DA's typically don't like it when you do that.
There's other tests through windshields. Same results. Extreme defenders aren't a gimmick (for anyone unfamiliar). Paul Harrell proved this a while back. That's when I switched.
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Yeah, because most attackers are carrying a sheet of plywood as a shield. This is a nonsense test. I'll take this bullet more serious when you use actual clothes/denim as a barrier.
TL;DW
Wounding is no different between the two because neither expanded. Hollow point barely pooped out of the back of the block.
Super important because we see violent offenders get shot by self defenders through wood SOOOOOO OFTEN 😉
Wounding is entirely different. The flutes push fluids and dump the energy much sooner than a hollow point even if it expands properly. There's no comparison and other ballistic tests demonstrate this fact better
@@jonah8133 pistols don't provide anywhere near the velocity necessary for the flutes to do anything. It's a machined FMJ.
Rifle rounds are something else entirely.
@@helios92x26 That's just not true. The difference between a pistol round +p+ fluted vs FMJ is night and day difference.
@@helios92x26 ruclips.net/video/FWgXc9L9vx0/видео.html I mean it's crazy to watch what happens when it hits flesh lol. it's crazy
@@jonah8133 I'm glad to see I didn't have to mention the reality of dead flesh. The video you linked mentions it already. They also said "it still doesn't prove anything." No rebuttal needed. TFB has enough integrity to say shat this test meant almost nothing. If only the people watching would pay attention to more than what they want to see/hear.
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It’s a great round and almost always available well almost at Defender Ammunition for a reason 🙌🏼
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