Not gonna lie, i've been putting occultists in every team i can fit them in, in every rank i can test his kit on, and i have never noticed he only has 4 fingers in his hand until i saw him doing the pose in this video. Hell, i had to pause the video and check the wiki to confirm that indeed EVERY character only has 4 fingers because of the cartoonish style they are drawn in.
You forgot the best fact about Lepers Intimidate: it can kill low hp enemies in the back row. Everyone knows it and everyone hates it. The stress dealers surviving a hit with 1-3 hp. Leper takes care of that and gets a speed bonus after that.
Building off the Jester tip, I think sometimes people might turn 1 finale after a shuffle just to get back in position quickly. You don't need to do this, Jester's move command can go back 3 ranks in one turn.
Finale turn one could be a solid play though, nuking the backliner of your choice easily. Even if Jester gets a lot weaker for it, he's rank 4 and unlikely to get hit
I love this channel. I don't remember who, but a single person asked for skill icons, and in the very next video there are skill icons. One of the best Darkest Dungeon content creator!
Usually if someone asks for something, other people probably want it too but people haven't asked yet. It wasn't much extra work on my end to add them either so I'm glad people appreciate it :)
With Occultist, i feel its the other way around.. He can do so many different stuff, so its good to build a team and then fit him in where that team is lackluster. Besides that, great guide - Its good that you are bringing visuals to your vids. Makes for a way better video
I like to put some accuracy on vestal, and then people always seem to forget that judgement also heals vestal as long as it hits. 9/10 times when I need to have vestal heal herself, judgment is the most efficient way to do so.
I built my main houndmaster for rank 3. I picked a random one from the stagecoach and used him at rank 2 for a suicide mission. This random houndmaster is now level 5 and my "main" one is still sleeping in the roster.
Planning to backtrack for the last few rooms often means you can leave the mission with a full backpack of useful stuff. You'll know exactly what supply items you'll need and can drop stuff you don't need as you go. You can also do the backtrack in darkness, which gets you better loot, just be weary of random hallways fights popping up
I have been starting campaign after campaign in this game because I can't stand to lose Reynauld, Dismas, or the first Shieldbreaker. The first two are iconic and the third is the character that the game makes you form the biggest attachment with through her backstory. I wish I could play this game without my autism interfering and making me obsessive over random things. I've already beaten it multiple times, you'd think that I would be able to to keep a few specific heroes alive, but always, ALWAYS, one of those three dies! If you ever make a video with more tips on how to keep casualties to a minimum, I will definitely be subscribing to this channel because I need some help. As amazing as this game is, it still sometimes makes me want to smash my console!
You know, as I started this game I found that all of my favourite classes were various support classes, usually more fit towards the backlines. Soon after I came to appreciate stuns for allowing me to bleed and blight enemies, and spend that extra turn. As I quickly realized, stress and displacement hurts and is annoying, and is almost always done by the enemy backliners. The result being that I strongly prefer reach over raw damage output. The thought process further reinforced my preference for control and support focused characters.
Be mindful of the enemies that you will go against. If you gonna go for Cove or Ruins, Get some pulls or shuffling abilities. Because the shamans and the goblet skeletons can't stress you in rank 1-2
The occultist is fantastic for shuffling, the plague doctor is pretty decent as well. The two of those in the cove is just plain unfair. To be fair, all those crabs and fishes deserve it. Horrid creatures.
I wish HWM's grapeshot worked more like suppressing fire. The debuff is incredibly valuable, but the accuracy on it is absolute donkey cheeks. I wish that they had made the accuracies the same and just left grapeshot as a single stat debuff rather than two like supressing fire. I can understand having a three-rank cleave move not apply multiple/major debuffs, but it would be nice if I could get it to hit more than once every three dungeons. edit: I know this is likely mitigated with gunslinger buckle, but I always wind up not being able to get it until late game when my HWM is generally already better kitted for melee by that point. Maybe next save file I'll get lucky and find it at a useful time (or when I'm actually feasibly ready for the dungeon it's in).
Gunslinger's buckle does reduce riposte by damage by 10% though; that's actually not that big a deal since that translates to only about 1 damage less, I'd say the -5% crit is almost more significant. Against bosses where you know Riposte is going to go off consistently because of their AoE's I wouldn't run the buckle, for hallway fights I think it's fine, but he has some INSANE trinkets (CC set and Crystalline gunpowder namely). Another point in buckle's favour is it makes grapeshot a lot more reliable.
I know you’re not a fan of A-bomb in monster form, but setting up a party and using the right to have him hyper carry a boss fight is just so satisfying 😂
Started using flashpowder with Antiquarian because of this video. First dungeon I go into using it, Thing from the Stars showed up. It only landed one vorpal strike and died like an absolute wimp. Crushed underfoot without being able to hit jackshit. Use flashpowder. It's really really good.
Hey Bro, i'm from Brazil and it's not easy finding good tips for this game on brazilian channels. So thanks for making such good content and helping us new players!
Not gonna lie, I like your analyses of this game, mostly because I got to most of them on my own and I can tell: "This guy knows what he's talking about". Waiting for your DD2-related movies, maybe one day we could share some thoughts about the new game! Great tips for beginners AND for old hands that got some kind of bad habits (my friend for example heals with Vestal even when someone is missing like 2-3 HP and considers only Vestal as healer so you know my pain when watching his streams, I guess XD)
the "no dance team" advice on graverobber just gave me flashbacks to this awful team i built just yesterday. i got abomination just like you suggested here for the blight but i made one fatal mistake. you see, i didn't have a plague doctor for rank 4 and it's the start of the campaign and i'm low on money, so i bring an antiquarian, she also has blight so that's great. and i like using antiquarian defend me on high dodge highwayman with riposte, so i was really excited that i've come up with a great team, until i got into my first fight. i can't explain what possessed me to put abomination in rank 1, but turn 1 of fight 1 started with the abomination going transform because he didn't have anything else to do. sign of things to come. i eventually settled on abomination on rank 3 and highwayman on rank 1, hoping that abomination goes before graverobber for a blight and graverobber goes before highwayman for the lunge so highwayman can also get his riposte going for the defend me. needless to say i don't think there was a single time i pulled it off the entire combo without an issue. during the run i found a +8 first round speed trinket and if i could put it on abomination maybe i could have him in 2nd rank and graverobber at 3rd rank which is the only way i can see this composition working, ensuring that abomination goes first in the first round every single time.it's crazy. it was probably one of the most frustrating runs i've ever had lol
@@ShuffleFM also my antiquarian has this terrible quirk that gives her -10 dodge in exchange for 10% more damage which is really hilarious. i was counting on defend me to keep her alive lol
i have some heroes in some parties were i just think "why? why have i done this? it it doesnt really do that much. why have i done this?" but after that im like "joah,im just gonna make it better next time". i made many mistakes but hey i learned from them.
To add to your BH tip, you can always switch BH to 2 and HM to 3 for cry havoc stress heals further into the dungeon for some stress healing if you want. One mistake I have made is developing a party order for an expedition and sticking to it religiously and never changing it and rarely changing skills. It's a hard habit to break and takes an extra layer of strategic thought to get right when deciding a party for expeditions Edit - ah you already covered the HM point :)
I really love just a ranged grave robber. I don't really dance her around much just let her be a ranged char and it works well enough for me. Optimal? Prolly not but I enjoy robber in that roll
Great tips! I find myself using more and more of the tips and tactics in my own battles. Using Abom for the stuns and blight is such a nice thing, the support that gives and the fact that he can self heal both his hp and stress means he is very low maintenance on the rest of the team. Got some good runs with two hound masters, one in the back and one in the front. That way the one in the front stuns and marks while the other can focus on doing damage. Something I would like to learn or hear more about are teams without much dedicated healers or self heals. Basically, how do you build a team that uses food and some self heals and do they work for higher levels or only intermediate and lower? Also been having a lot of fun using Profane scroll on Vestal, any tips for what trinket or team would work well with that?
For a team that uses little to no healing, bring good damage and reach to make sure you can hit priority targets obviously, bring stuns to stop the big damage dealers from making your day worse, bring a guard to save someone if they get hit super hard, and make sure your camping skills are all in order. Have a selection of healing and stress healing camping skills. Also, bring a recovery charm on someone, so you can switch it out between your party members while they are eating, gives them +40% healing received which makes your limited food go farther.
@@ShuffleFM Profane scroll is really nice, the other day I was levelling a new group of heroes with Vestal being the highest level of them, put the profane scroll on her and proceeded to have her Bonk the whole run. It was really surprising to me how high her damage could be, it was in the ruins so that helped but still. And with the increased prot and healing you can use the group heal and be fine. In the group you suggested I can see how arbalest can be a great secondary healer for when you got some time to stall, in general a very good team.
Can you comment on when to go for orange or red dungeons? I find myself playing a very "flat" style of game, where most of my heroes are about the same level, and swapping them with better fit recruits, which takes loads of weeks. Is it feasible / better / more enjoyable to go for orange and red missions asap?
It's a bit difficult to answer that, but I'll try. Regardless of what difficulty you play on, the best time to start champion missions is when you have people that are level 5 with max gear/skills. The reason for this is because the jump to champion is pretty steep so you need every advantage you can get. You don't need best in slot positive quirks with all the bad ones purged, but you need to be mindful of what you have. Don't take someone with "fear of beasts" to the warrens for example. You will most likely lose some people in champion if it's your first time until you learn it, because the additional enemies added are big checks to see if your team has enough damage/control. They aren't frequent thankfully.
@@ShuffleFM That is a good, clear answer, thanks! I am waiting for my first Lv3 mission this run purely because the items were pretty garbage. It gives me the opportunity to test out unusual stuff on low stakes (just did frontline occ, it was fun, but despite having Jester I got a bunch of stress out, becaus I kept torch below 75 because of traits)
When you think about it, enemy accuracy reduction (like enemy damage reduction) is a fight long cc almost. You cripple a high threat target permanently unlike with stun which effectively is only for one round. It's not guaranteed but combined with good dodge stats the enemy would be hard pressed to hit you. I'm curious about how a fight with a single large boss would go if you had an antiquarian spamming flash powder eg the shrieker or countess or swine king. Once she gets up to 3 stacks and maintains it, that's a huge accuracy debuff which doesn't just reduce damage, but stress attacks also. Choosing when to do that or vapours spam I guess depends on the fight. The destealth is a great utility too in higher levels
Hey Shuffle, this is off topic from the video, but I've heard conflicting info about this and I wanna know if you know the answer. When it comes to journal pages, do they take up the slots of normal loot when reward pools are rolled? I've heard it both ways with people saying you should always take journals just to remove them from the pool early so they stop taking up loot slots, and I've heard people say that journals are rolled separately as a bonus reward so it is safe to ignore them. Do you know which one is correct?
Every single page takes one loot slot all for itself. I started quite recently, but I noticed that in my (secondary, of course) attempt to get them. If you're interested in these stories but just don't want to fill up space, you can read them right on the spot and still leave them there afterwards.
@@wolframvonstein4526 They are not referring to Inventory slots, but to the way loot is generated after every Battle/Curio interraction. The question is: if one collects all of the Journal pages, do all of the would-be Journal page "loot slots" now provide normal loot? Or are the two types of rewards completely separate?
Tip for using grave robber, use shieldbearer instead its the same kit but better(I know I left basically same comment on the mistake video but you had some repeats too so nyeh)
@@ShuffleFM eh, of those the only real thing I think is important is the scouting, generally speaking SOMEONE on your team is gonna have trap disarm, and diseases generally are uncommon enough and not debilitating enough to need someone in your team to get rid of it immediately(exceptions for if your current expeditions goal is curing previously acquired diseases) and while the 4th position attack is good, the sheer difference in the quality of the rest of Sb's combat kit is far too much to worry about that, plus, once you get through the nightmares (which aren't that bad imo since they're one of the few battles that you both know is going to be there and what composition it is, plus the rewards are def worth it) she gets a fairly sizeable buff just from camping
@@ShuffleFM plus ancestral map once acquired is easy to swap around to give anyone great trap disarm(and getting your hands on shambler trinkets early is fairly easy imo, early shambler is so much easier plus shieldbreaker is one of the best options for killing shambler anyway with her blights and pierce)
@@OK-sd3lp ancestral map is an amazing trinket, mapping can be huge, knowing that a dead end has nothing of value to it so you can skip it can easily be the difference between a character living and dieing, especially if its behind rubble and you've run out of shovels or had a collector or thing from the stars hallway fight and your pushing up near the borders of stress, and the trap disarm is a nice bonus, especially since it can push decent trap disarmers into 100% chance guaranteeing you're not gonna get fucked by a trap if your low
I was playing DD earlier today and I lost my occultist on the second to last level cause he got to deaths door and he bled to death but he caused the bleed so he killed himself, no one died that whole playthrough and I was so close
new player~ is it just as useful to knock enemies back as it is to pull them forward? It seems like shifting the party positions gives me the most problems when it happens to me, so is it true as a turnabout tactic?
Sometimes it is. There are a lot of enemies that don't care about getting moved, and some that actively punish you for it. It takes some trial and error to figure out. With that said, moving some enemies is absolutely devastating to them
I'm fairly a newbie myself, but I noticed that there are indeed quite some enemies that just can't perform certain actions when moved away from their designated positions. For example, the cultist with armblades (German potato, don't know the og name there, sry) is reduced to a forward step attack causing no bleedings and debuffs anymore, until he gets back to position 2. Also you have to consider the damage output of your group - where can they hit the hardest?
Wait i always tought u had 2 win the nightmares on a limited amount of turns cuz its just ended for me leaving her on afflicted maybe its an older version problem idk
Nah, she just takes 100 stress over 5 turns so it's in your best interest to end it sooner. If SB hits death's door the nightmare also ends. If you can keep her alive then stalling can be a great gameplan for certain teams.
There's certainly some overlap. Abom, HWM, and vestal are pretty much repeats which was an accident on my part. I thought I changed it up enough to sound different but it looks like I didn't.
ok so i only found this channel because i have been trying to beat stygian for the last few months and i gotta say after at least 12 restarts and easily 150 hours i can say im better and have leared alot but still cannot see myself actually even just reaching the first darkest dungeon mission with an acceptable number of deaths by then. thats when i fount you and have learen a lot about value in characters that i woulnt even look twice at. My question now therefore is, is there something in stygian difficulty that i HAVE to do differentley? cause i feel that by now i have optimised so much of my attempts that i cant see how i can improove that much more. Or is there anything else ayone can advise me on? Thanks in advance and sorry for bad english, am not native
Btw i put alot of focus on the HWM (i think best char)I also in every comp always use a vestal and often a jester alongside too. i also use some other characters like leper, antiquarian, houndmaster and bountyhunter and by now also plague doc, but my main focus mostly still is on the first 3
For stygian you need strong fundamental skills like target priority and stalling for extra heals. After that it's about making strong teams and being efficient. If you're having a lot of trouble in the early game that's normal since the first 10~ weeks are the hardest part of the game. Vestal/jester/hwm is strong but it lacks reach. Vestal/jester need to stall to be the most effective and hwm is not a good stall hero because of riposte. Hard to say more than that without more information. If you want you can join my discord and ask around, or if you want to record an expedition and send it to me I can review it for you.
Good tips but lazy editing. Should have shown each character as you spoke about them. Seemed like you were just reading a list and the video had nothing to do with what you were saying.
I have stumbled uppon a bug, maybe some one can help me. I lost 8 trinkets. But I did not lose any of my heroes on last quest. It was a normal medium dungeon. Uppon returning to town, none of the trinkets were either on the heroes or on the vault. Neither the crow event has started. I swithced computers since the last time I loged in. Bus it was merely hours ago. I think Im erasing this file... I already tried doing some dungeons in order to trigger shrieker, but no... I might just wait for DD2
Tip: put Leper in 4th position to absorb stress damage and provide motivational support to the party
This is it
Peak gameplay
Also on 3, 2 and 1.
@@VodKaVK quad leper
@@Longsword. rot squad
@@VodKaVK accurate depiction of how lepers were treated in ancient times
Not gonna lie, i've been putting occultists in every team i can fit them in, in every rank i can test his kit on, and i have never noticed he only has 4 fingers in his hand until i saw him doing the pose in this video. Hell, i had to pause the video and check the wiki to confirm that indeed EVERY character only has 4 fingers because of the cartoonish style they are drawn in.
It's a weird thing when you first notice it lol
*sound of glass shattering in the background*
4 fingers are much easier to animate :p
Now, like us, you will begin to see things as they truly are.
Tge sheild breaker has the least amount of fingers
You forgot the best fact about Lepers Intimidate: it can kill low hp enemies in the back row. Everyone knows it and everyone hates it. The stress dealers surviving a hit with 1-3 hp. Leper takes care of that and gets a speed bonus after that.
It’s also pretty accurate! At base level his attacking skills generally are 75% accurate. Intimidate is 95 :)
Just bring a hellion then. Can hit the back and doesn’t have the huge problems leper does
Building off the Jester tip, I think sometimes people might turn 1 finale after a shuffle just to get back in position quickly. You don't need to do this, Jester's move command can go back 3 ranks in one turn.
Finale turn one could be a solid play though, nuking the backliner of your choice easily. Even if Jester gets a lot weaker for it, he's rank 4 and unlikely to get hit
I love this channel. I don't remember who, but a single person asked for skill icons, and in the very next video there are skill icons. One of the best Darkest Dungeon content creator!
Usually if someone asks for something, other people probably want it too but people haven't asked yet. It wasn't much extra work on my end to add them either so I'm glad people appreciate it :)
Truee I noticed it too
another benefit of running intimidate on leper is that as long as he's in the front, he can always do at least chip damage on any rank
It's incredible how every class is, in its own way, self sufficient and combat competent, and bad ass.
ikr?! it's like having a team full of anime mc
I’m glad to see Shuffle’s Bellow character development.
A Zuko level character arc.
Pro tip: use Leper at rank 4 so that the enemy will feel sorry for you and lets you win.
Timestamps if you want them to add to the description:
0:00 Intro
0:34 Abomination
1:00 Antiquarian
1:23 Arbalest
2:08 Bounty Hunter
2:50 Crusader
3:15 Flagellant
3:33 Grave Robber
4:09 Hellion
4:46 Highwayman
5:21 Houndmaster
5:51 Jester
6:18 Leper
6:50 Man@Arms
7:21 0ccultist
7:45 Plague Doctor
8:19 Shieldbreaker
9:17 Vestal
9:50 Outro
Thanks. The sections were so short I didn't want to make them, and this way I don't have to lol
Noticed how you spelled 0cculist... *Crit* 0!
With Occultist, i feel its the other way around.. He can do so many different stuff, so its good to build a team and then fit him in where that team is lackluster.
Besides that, great guide - Its good that you are bringing visuals to your vids. Makes for a way better video
“Shoutouts to Thick Veiny Sausage”
lmao
Arbalest as healer is underrated.
I like to put some accuracy on vestal, and then people always seem to forget that judgement also heals vestal as long as it hits. 9/10 times when I need to have vestal heal herself, judgment is the most efficient way to do so.
I built my main houndmaster for rank 3. I picked a random one from the stagecoach and used him at rank 2 for a suicide mission.
This random houndmaster is now level 5 and my "main" one is still sleeping in the roster.
I'm a newer player and would love to see an "inventory management tips" video. I suck balls at it.
Planning to backtrack for the last few rooms often means you can leave the mission with a full backpack of useful stuff. You'll know exactly what supply items you'll need and can drop stuff you don't need as you go. You can also do the backtrack in darkness, which gets you better loot, just be weary of random hallways fights popping up
I have been starting campaign after campaign in this game because I can't stand to lose Reynauld, Dismas, or the first Shieldbreaker. The first two are iconic and the third is the character that the game makes you form the biggest attachment with through her backstory. I wish I could play this game without my autism interfering and making me obsessive over random things. I've already beaten it multiple times, you'd think that I would be able to to keep a few specific heroes alive, but always, ALWAYS, one of those three dies!
If you ever make a video with more tips on how to keep casualties to a minimum, I will definitely be subscribing to this channel because I need some help. As amazing as this game is, it still sometimes makes me want to smash my console!
Also for Vestal sword of light is an amazing move for debuffing enemy dodge. Extremely useful early game
You know, as I started this game I found that all of my favourite classes were various support classes, usually more fit towards the backlines. Soon after I came to appreciate stuns for allowing me to bleed and blight enemies, and spend that extra turn. As I quickly realized, stress and displacement hurts and is annoying, and is almost always done by the enemy backliners. The result being that I strongly prefer reach over raw damage output.
The thought process further reinforced my preference for control and support focused characters.
Be mindful of the enemies that you will go against.
If you gonna go for Cove or Ruins,
Get some pulls or shuffling abilities. Because the shamans and the goblet skeletons can't stress you in rank 1-2
The occultist is fantastic for shuffling, the plague doctor is pretty decent as well. The two of those in the cove is just plain unfair.
To be fair, all those crabs and fishes deserve it. Horrid creatures.
And tentacle pulling cultist sorceresses is a satisfying vengeance.
I wish HWM's grapeshot worked more like suppressing fire. The debuff is incredibly valuable, but the accuracy on it is absolute donkey cheeks. I wish that they had made the accuracies the same and just left grapeshot as a single stat debuff rather than two like supressing fire. I can understand having a three-rank cleave move not apply multiple/major debuffs, but it would be nice if I could get it to hit more than once every three dungeons.
edit: I know this is likely mitigated with gunslinger buckle, but I always wind up not being able to get it until late game when my HWM is generally already better kitted for melee by that point. Maybe next save file I'll get lucky and find it at a useful time (or when I'm actually feasibly ready for the dungeon it's in).
If you wanna get the most use out of it use 2 highway men with it. Cleaves aren't that great by themselves but having 2 up is a dramatic improvement
@@averynewtown2782 I admittedly don't double up much when making teams, so I'll give that a try. Thanks for the suggestion! 😊
@@disasterjones5798 helion, highway man, highway man, then arbalist or something in the back or vestal
Jest/HWM/HWM/Occ
Jester spams ballad and stress heal, highway men use grapeshot with dmg trinkets, Occultist heals/stuns/marks. It's beautiful
those darn donkey cheeks cant aim for shit
Gunslinger's buckle does reduce riposte by damage by 10% though; that's actually not that big a deal since that translates to only about 1 damage less, I'd say the -5% crit is almost more significant. Against bosses where you know Riposte is going to go off consistently because of their AoE's I wouldn't run the buckle, for hallway fights I think it's fine, but he has some INSANE trinkets (CC set and Crystalline gunpowder namely). Another point in buckle's favour is it makes grapeshot a lot more reliable.
A some of these tips are just the reverse of the mistake in the mistake video, Still super useful tho thanks!
You do all the statistical discussion thickveinysausage puts it all into action and pulls off some insane stunts, very good combo we got going here
I know you’re not a fan of A-bomb in monster form, but setting up a party and using the right to have him hyper carry a boss fight is just so satisfying 😂
I still remember when Bellow did damage...
“Also have to give a shout-out to ThickVeinySausage” . . . What a name 😂😂😂
One thing also to mention about Intimidate on the Leper, it can hit back line so it can be used if you need to finish off a stress curser.
Started using flashpowder with Antiquarian because of this video. First dungeon I go into using it, Thing from the Stars showed up. It only landed one vorpal strike and died like an absolute wimp. Crushed underfoot without being able to hit jackshit.
Use flashpowder. It's really really good.
Hey Bro, i'm from Brazil and it's not easy finding good tips for this game on brazilian channels. So thanks for making such good content and helping us new players!
OMG Thanks so much for adding the ability icons, helps us visual learners so much more! Amazing video
I'll like a snake fight guide for Shieldbreaker 😁
Short, sweet and super helpful, thanks Shuff.
cheers.
Not gonna lie, I like your analyses of this game, mostly because I got to most of them on my own and I can tell: "This guy knows what he's talking about". Waiting for your DD2-related movies, maybe one day we could share some thoughts about the new game! Great tips for beginners AND for old hands that got some kind of bad habits (my friend for example heals with Vestal even when someone is missing like 2-3 HP and considers only Vestal as healer so you know my pain when watching his streams, I guess XD)
Very cheeky, starting Occultist's name with 0
Musketeer: why must not include me?!!!
the "no dance team" advice on graverobber just gave me flashbacks to this awful team i built just yesterday. i got abomination just like you suggested here for the blight but i made one fatal mistake. you see, i didn't have a plague doctor for rank 4 and it's the start of the campaign and i'm low on money, so i bring an antiquarian, she also has blight so that's great. and i like using antiquarian defend me on high dodge highwayman with riposte, so i was really excited that i've come up with a great team, until i got into my first fight. i can't explain what possessed me to put abomination in rank 1, but turn 1 of fight 1 started with the abomination going transform because he didn't have anything else to do. sign of things to come.
i eventually settled on abomination on rank 3 and highwayman on rank 1, hoping that abomination goes before graverobber for a blight and graverobber goes before highwayman for the lunge so highwayman can also get his riposte going for the defend me. needless to say i don't think there was a single time i pulled it off the entire combo without an issue. during the run i found a +8 first round speed trinket and if i could put it on abomination maybe i could have him in 2nd rank and graverobber at 3rd rank which is the only way i can see this composition working, ensuring that abomination goes first in the first round every single time.it's crazy. it was probably one of the most frustrating runs i've ever had lol
It can be annoying when you can't get something to work consistently because of speed. Was rank 1 antiquarian ever a possibility?
@@ShuffleFM i thought of that but she can't do defend me if she isn't in 3 or 4
@@ShuffleFM also my antiquarian has this terrible quirk that gives her -10 dodge in exchange for 10% more damage which is really hilarious. i was counting on defend me to keep her alive lol
Some may call it cheating, I call it my "5 week prep course with Shuffle"
Was not expecting to find you here.
i have some heroes in some parties were i just think "why? why have i done this? it it doesnt really do that much. why have i done this?" but after that im like "joah,im just gonna make it better next time". i made many mistakes but hey i learned from them.
Never played Darkest Dungeon and yet I still watch your videos, great stuff.
my boi said Bellow
To add to your BH tip, you can always switch BH to 2 and HM to 3 for cry havoc stress heals further into the dungeon for some stress healing if you want.
One mistake I have made is developing a party order for an expedition and sticking to it religiously and never changing it and rarely changing skills. It's a hard habit to break and takes an extra layer of strategic thought to get right when deciding a party for expeditions
Edit - ah you already covered the HM point :)
With the pic of the cultist, i just realized tha DD characters have four fingers, great video shuffle
I’m super late to this game but these are great tips. Love the channel.
Thanks for the tips and explaining in detail!
Occultist planning:
"Junia's Head." *Throws him into a DoT dungeon*
Suggestion: make a guide/help video to early game teams and playstyle approach
"shout-out to big veiny sausage" I'm dead
Written on the margin of the script: "Don't sleep on saying don't sleep on"
Hard not to fall into the verbal repition sometimes :P
I really love just a ranged grave robber. I don't really dance her around much just let her be a ranged char and it works well enough for me. Optimal? Prolly not but I enjoy robber in that roll
Great tips!
I find myself using more and more of the tips and tactics in my own battles.
Using Abom for the stuns and blight is such a nice thing, the support that gives and the fact that he can self heal both his hp and stress means he is very low maintenance on the rest of the team. Got some good runs with two hound masters, one in the back and one in the front. That way the one in the front stuns and marks while the other can focus on doing damage.
Something I would like to learn or hear more about are teams without much dedicated healers or self heals. Basically, how do you build a team that uses food and some self heals and do they work for higher levels or only intermediate and lower?
Also been having a lot of fun using Profane scroll on Vestal, any tips for what trinket or team would work well with that?
For a team that uses little to no healing, bring good damage and reach to make sure you can hit priority targets obviously, bring stuns to stop the big damage dealers from making your day worse, bring a guard to save someone if they get hit super hard, and make sure your camping skills are all in order. Have a selection of healing and stress healing camping skills. Also, bring a recovery charm on someone, so you can switch it out between your party members while they are eating, gives them +40% healing received which makes your limited food go farther.
I like arbalest/bounty hunter/vestal/hellion for profane scroll use. You still get stuns, control, and reach. It's pretty solid.
@@ShuffleFM Profane scroll is really nice, the other day I was levelling a new group of heroes with Vestal being the highest level of them, put the profane scroll on her and proceeded to have her Bonk the whole run. It was really surprising to me how high her damage could be, it was in the ruins so that helped but still. And with the increased prot and healing you can use the group heal and be fine.
In the group you suggested I can see how arbalest can be a great secondary healer for when you got some time to stall, in general a very good team.
Can you comment on when to go for orange or red dungeons? I find myself playing a very "flat" style of game, where most of my heroes are about the same level, and swapping them with better fit recruits, which takes loads of weeks. Is it feasible / better / more enjoyable to go for orange and red missions asap?
It's a bit difficult to answer that, but I'll try. Regardless of what difficulty you play on, the best time to start champion missions is when you have people that are level 5 with max gear/skills. The reason for this is because the jump to champion is pretty steep so you need every advantage you can get. You don't need best in slot positive quirks with all the bad ones purged, but you need to be mindful of what you have. Don't take someone with "fear of beasts" to the warrens for example. You will most likely lose some people in champion if it's your first time until you learn it, because the additional enemies added are big checks to see if your team has enough damage/control. They aren't frequent thankfully.
@@ShuffleFM That is a good, clear answer, thanks! I am waiting for my first Lv3 mission this run purely because the items were pretty garbage. It gives me the opportunity to test out unusual stuff on low stakes (just did frontline occ, it was fun, but despite having Jester I got a bunch of stress out, becaus I kept torch below 75 because of traits)
Credit to.. thick veiny sausage. Lol. Good video. I just liked that.
can you please put footage of the heros you are talking in the background?
it really helps to see the tips in action
When you think about it, enemy accuracy reduction (like enemy damage reduction) is a fight long cc almost. You cripple a high threat target permanently unlike with stun which effectively is only for one round. It's not guaranteed but combined with good dodge stats the enemy would be hard pressed to hit you.
I'm curious about how a fight with a single large boss would go if you had an antiquarian spamming flash powder eg the shrieker or countess or swine king. Once she gets up to 3 stacks and maintains it, that's a huge accuracy debuff which doesn't just reduce damage, but stress attacks also.
Choosing when to do that or vapours spam I guess depends on the fight. The destealth is a great utility too in higher levels
4:09 oof i thought you were gonna suggest breakthrough spam and my heart skipped a beat
Shuffle is a trooper. Great videos on a great game.
I just started playing recently, I primarily use hound master as a stress releaf support, who can also deal damage when everuis relaxed
Man at arms is my fav to play with
Wait a second some of these are the same as the last video
Mistake: doing this
Tip: don't do this
Mistake: not doing that
Tip: do that
A couple of them overlap which is an accident, but the others are new and different.
Hey Shuffle, this is off topic from the video, but I've heard conflicting info about this and I wanna know if you know the answer. When it comes to journal pages, do they take up the slots of normal loot when reward pools are rolled? I've heard it both ways with people saying you should always take journals just to remove them from the pool early so they stop taking up loot slots, and I've heard people say that journals are rolled separately as a bonus reward so it is safe to ignore them. Do you know which one is correct?
I too, with my 550 hours of experience would like to know this
Yes, please. I want to know too.
I actually don't know :D
I assume they take a loot spot, but I haven't felt punished for ignoring them in all my campaigns.
Every single page takes one loot slot all for itself. I started quite recently, but I noticed that in my (secondary, of course) attempt to get them. If you're interested in these stories but just don't want to fill up space, you can read them right on the spot and still leave them there afterwards.
@@wolframvonstein4526 They are not referring to Inventory slots, but to the way loot is generated after every Battle/Curio interraction. The question is: if one collects all of the Journal pages, do all of the would-be Journal page "loot slots" now provide normal loot? Or are the two types of rewards completely separate?
One hero one tip is so much better than two girls one cup
My tip for Antiquarian: put a note at the top of your computer saying “CURIOS ARE FOR ANTIQUARIAN”
96% of players give up on Occultist's heal right before they get the big no bleed crit heal.
I just watched both videos...
So this is just the mistake one but flipped (and the order also) .. mostly?
A couple were flipped, but most of them were new.
@@ShuffleFM nothing on the quality of the video, just really weird watching them back to back ;p
Tip for using grave robber, use shieldbearer instead its the same kit but better(I know I left basically same comment on the mistake video but you had some repeats too so nyeh)
GR has some things SB doesn't. She has scouting, trap disarm, disease cure, and a strong attack out of rank 4 where SB only has puncture.
@@ShuffleFM eh, of those the only real thing I think is important is the scouting, generally speaking SOMEONE on your team is gonna have trap disarm, and diseases generally are uncommon enough and not debilitating enough to need someone in your team to get rid of it immediately(exceptions for if your current expeditions goal is curing previously acquired diseases) and while the 4th position attack is good, the sheer difference in the quality of the rest of Sb's combat kit is far too much to worry about that, plus, once you get through the nightmares (which aren't that bad imo since they're one of the few battles that you both know is going to be there and what composition it is, plus the rewards are def worth it) she gets a fairly sizeable buff just from camping
@@ShuffleFM plus ancestral map once acquired is easy to swap around to give anyone great trap disarm(and getting your hands on shambler trinkets early is fairly easy imo, early shambler is so much easier plus shieldbreaker is one of the best options for killing shambler anyway with her blights and pierce)
@@Corundrom lol you are slotting a bad trinket lmao
@@OK-sd3lp ancestral map is an amazing trinket, mapping can be huge, knowing that a dead end has nothing of value to it so you can skip it can easily be the difference between a character living and dieing, especially if its behind rubble and you've run out of shovels or had a collector or thing from the stars hallway fight and your pushing up near the borders of stress, and the trap disarm is a nice bonus, especially since it can push decent trap disarmers into 100% chance guaranteeing you're not gonna get fucked by a trap if your low
Can you do a mod guide for modded heroes that are used quite often like Veiled or Thrall
When I get through the vanilla content I have planned I can try some mod stuff. Might be hard with DD2 coming out soon
0ccultist.. I see what you did there
Bet that name was hard to say straightly. ThickVeinySausage.
It was the first time but I've known thick for a while now so it's lost its impact
I was playing DD earlier today and I lost my occultist on the second to last level cause he got to deaths door and he bled to death but he caused the bleed so he killed himself, no one died that whole playthrough and I was so close
RIP
@@ShuffleFM yeah it was on bloodmoon too
Used arbalests suppressive fire once and the enemy kept missing allowing me to stall to full heal. It was funny af.
new player~ is it just as useful to knock enemies back as it is to pull them forward?
It seems like shifting the party positions gives me the most problems when it happens to me, so is it true as a turnabout tactic?
Sometimes it is. There are a lot of enemies that don't care about getting moved, and some that actively punish you for it. It takes some trial and error to figure out. With that said, moving some enemies is absolutely devastating to them
I'm fairly a newbie myself, but I noticed that there are indeed quite some enemies that just can't perform certain actions when moved away from their designated positions. For example, the cultist with armblades (German potato, don't know the og name there, sry) is reduced to a forward step attack causing no bleedings and debuffs anymore, until he gets back to position 2. Also you have to consider the damage output of your group - where can they hit the hardest?
Occultist, more like 0ccultist
*I see what you did there*
nice, short and usefull!
Do you like to use occultist for healing?
We don't do that here sir...
Wait i always tought u had 2 win the nightmares on a limited amount of turns cuz its just ended for me leaving her on afflicted maybe its an older version problem idk
Nah, she just takes 100 stress over 5 turns so it's in your best interest to end it sooner. If SB hits death's door the nightmare also ends. If you can keep her alive then stalling can be a great gameplan for certain teams.
@@ShuffleFM Thanks for the advice gamer even tho i beat the game 3 times and waiting for dd2 Xd
Is 50k gold a lot?
Depends what point of the game you're in, but it's a good amount to have yeah.
Me who defaulted the Bounty Hunter into Rank 3 on his very first quest: "wait, that's not supposed to be the norm?"
From the people who brought you 'Not doing that'.
Try 'Doing That'
i feel like lot of things are said in your previous video
There's certainly some overlap. Abom, HWM, and vestal are pretty much repeats which was an accident on my part. I thought I changed it up enough to sound different but it looks like I didn't.
How did i not know you could skill swap during a quest 🧐
ok so i only found this channel because i have been trying to beat stygian for the last few months and i gotta say after at least 12 restarts and easily 150 hours i can say im better and have leared alot but still cannot see myself actually even just reaching the first darkest dungeon mission with an acceptable number of deaths by then. thats when i fount you and have learen a lot about value in characters that i woulnt even look twice at. My question now therefore is, is there something in stygian difficulty that i HAVE to do differentley? cause i feel that by now i have optimised so much of my attempts that i cant see how i can improove that much more. Or is there anything else ayone can advise me on? Thanks in advance and sorry for bad english, am not native
Btw i put alot of focus on the HWM (i think best char)I also in every comp always use a vestal and often a jester alongside too. i also use some other characters like leper, antiquarian, houndmaster and bountyhunter and by now also plague doc, but my main focus mostly still is on the first 3
For stygian you need strong fundamental skills like target priority and stalling for extra heals. After that it's about making strong teams and being efficient. If you're having a lot of trouble in the early game that's normal since the first 10~ weeks are the hardest part of the game.
Vestal/jester/hwm is strong but it lacks reach. Vestal/jester need to stall to be the most effective and hwm is not a good stall hero because of riposte. Hard to say more than that without more information. If you want you can join my discord and ask around, or if you want to record an expedition and send it to me I can review it for you.
@@ShuffleFM ok thank you ill try the discord first and mby try recoding one mission later but thanks in advance nevertheless
Great tips. Why are not showing clips for evert thing
Don't take antiquarian for fighting. Take antiquarian for PHAT LOOT
Tips for each hero: don't make the mistakes described in last video.
disappointed the grave robber tip isn't bring 4, hide, then gigs lunge ;)
The one thing that really confused me is people call position 4 rank 3? Like why though??
Good tips but lazy editing. Should have shown each character as you spoke about them. Seemed like you were just reading a list and the video had nothing to do with what you were saying.
With some segments being as short as 30 seconds it didn't feel worth the effort
Homie really said 0ccultist
Tip : houndmaster has access to a lot of doge.
Timestamps pls
I have stumbled uppon a bug, maybe some one can help me. I lost 8 trinkets. But I did not lose any of my heroes on last quest. It was a normal medium dungeon. Uppon returning to town, none of the trinkets were either on the heroes or on the vault. Neither the crow event has started.
I swithced computers since the last time I loged in. Bus it was merely hours ago.
I think Im erasing this file... I already tried doing some dungeons in order to trigger shrieker, but no... I might just wait for DD2
Try losing some more trinkets in endless harvest. You may be at 6/7 and shrieker won't pop because of that.
@@ShuffleFM good idea
3:48
What is this foreign language in which you speak? Position.. eh? Position.. bee?
I'm flummoxed. :D
cheers Shuff
Err... I'm not done with video yet, but why is your tips for Abom and Antiqr the same as your mistakes list for those two?? -_-
I’m sorry Shout out to..... think veiny sausage. Fantastic.
Great video but I'd send you straight to the Warrens for using a zero in Occultist's spelling
Tip: Rewrite the code for occultist, put a positive number instead of 0. You're welcome.
Did you just spell Occultist with a zero instead of an O? Don't think you're sneaking that past me.
wait, what's Thick's full name again?
No musketeer?
Treat her the same as arb.
@@ShuffleFM cool, thanks
Wait a minute... Bellow can actually hit?