you are a genius and a very competent engineer!!! I love the fact that you never stop what you set out to do just because you don't have the right tool! Thank you for sharing!
That's a really great idea. I've seen commercial ring tools and hook tools, but have read that they're hard to use. It looks like yours works very easily. Thanks for posting!
Yes, the large roughing gouge is dangerous in that setting. Your solution is brilliant. It deals with the nasty transition from the bottom of the bowl to the side wall where I have had some dreadful catches even with bowl gouges. I have never seen one like yours- unique. Google image " bowl scraper". You could easily forge one from some leaf spring. They are easy to grind. I am very keen on your channel. CheersFrank
In the 60s my father used to make wood turning tools out of old metal files as they are very hard obviously I was very young but I can’t remember him grinding them into all sorts of different shapes they also stayed sharp For quite a while before having to re-sharpen just remember the file is brittle and will snap it under too much load hope this helps cheers Derek
Please, viewers, never ever turn bowls with a spindle roughing gouge, they will give nasty catches like the man says; moreover they have a built in weak spot where the gouge tapers down to a tang that inserts into the handle causing breaking and a sharp and heavy piece of steel flying around. Another viewer mentioned using a scraper if you can't afford a gouge, they are safer. Also you can buy an Easy Wood Tools carbide cutter for about $20.00 USD and mount it on a piece of steel bar stock, they are excellent tools. I like the your round tool made from a box end wrench, very unique. I built a similar tool one time and just hardened it but did not anneal it, it was too brittle and broke the first time I used it. The You can buy similar cutters called termite tools and mount them in a steel bar too. Thanks.
greetings from across the pond I like your idea mater of fact I tried it, but I used a larger wrench excuse me spanner never the less It did a wonderful job thsnk you
Never seen a ring tool made like that. They are older than me, and I am not quite as old as dirt. Interesting solution. Ideal for hollowing out the inside of an end grain piece.
Very interesting video. Like the way you thought outside the proverbial box. You mentioned that you had never seen a turning tool like the one you made. A company by the name of Oneway ( maker of the Oneway lathe ) based in Ontario Canada has made that exact tool for over a decade . They refer to it as the Termite and has 3 different sizes.
GENIUS! I have seen someone make a spoon carving knife from a ring spanner (I've always called it a closed end wrench, or capture wrench) and I had wondered if one would be useful in turning (which I've only recently gotten into, about a month or so ago). I'll be making me one of these, very soon!
I am in love your sturdy and beautifully grained bowls and plates...they certainly would make whatever was served on/in them all the more tasty! It's ingenious, how you created your own gouge to hollow out your bowls. To watch the creation of them was fascinating and mesmerizing! That wood lathe is an awesome machine. Would you please consider making a video on what you do, once the wood is dry. Thank you for sharing! Gretchen
thundercloud47 Thank you Gretchen - yes lathes are great. I promised Sandra a new bowl for her porridge (oatmeal) but you can't really hurry them. Watch this space though - one day..!
WayOutWest Blowinblog, Awww, gifts thoughtfully chosen and hand made are the best of all. The difference between green and seasoned wood I still find amazing (we heat with wood, and to us is the warmest). The lathe work would think could easily become addictive, all it's possibilities...but the time element surely would play in as well. You folks videos are so inspiring, we've no lathe, or be hives (yet!), still you motivate, and it is greatly appreciated! And will be looking forward to that 'one day'! Gretchen
When you harden the spanner/gouge, put just the first half to two thirds in the water, and allow the remainder to cool slowly in air. Alternatively, heat and allow to cool, and then just heat the half/two thirds of the ring, and quench. Quenching in water makes the steel hard but brittle. Allowing all but the cutting edge to cool slowly allows it to be more ductile, and less likely to shatter. Imperial spanners are becoming difficult to find, and people who restore old British vehicles need them, and may be prepared to buy them at a premium price. Check on ebay and see.
That is very dangerous using a spindle roughing gouge to do face work. I like your homemade "ring" gouge. It seems to do a great job of cleaning out the bowl area.
hook tool is pretty easy to make but still need to watch your angles on powered lathes. they are used on treadle and spring pole lathes for turning bowls.
Since it's been 8 months since this video I'm curious as to how the bowls and plates are doing now? I'm currently making my way through your videos (new subscriber and fan-I'm in awe of your way of living) so I am sorry if you have a video and I just haven't seen it yet. Thank you for sharing your way of life, I live in a big city in the States and am completely jealous of your land, farm, animals, garden and simplistic way of living. My dream for when my guy retires is to live on a farm in Ireland, we have around 30 years to go but one day it will happen.
+Irishqweenb Thanks Irishqweenb - but don't wait 30 years! Anything could happen before then.. The bowl blanks are still drying out - some have twisted and warped and some haven't. Looking forward to doing another video on them but there's no point rushing them.
Very clever. Make sure the steel hasn't become brittle and don't apply a lot of pressure to it. Wouldn't want it to shatter when you're using it. I'm sure it's fine though. :)
I am by no means an expert in metal or blacksmithing, the thought just struck me that if the steel became brittle from the quenching (if it was a cheap wrench it's probably not made of the best steel either) it could be a hazard. I would say hit it moderately hard against some hard surface and see if it holds up well. Some sort of test that determines if it will bend/dent rather than shatter might be in order. Try it on the back of the eye you sharpened, as I belive that's the only bit you quenched? This could just be me being paranoid, of course, but rather safe than sorry. If it's made from decent steel I'm sure it'd be fine, but if it was a new cheap tool I would be a bit suspicious. Really enjoyed the video by the way, it was a really smart way to create a bowl gouge!
Well, it is a ring tool, not a gouge, and ring tools are older than me, and I am 70. They do work exceptionally for cutting end grain like boxes and hollow forms.
You are awesome, as usual! Are you sure you can't sell / mail one of those bowls to the States? When dry it wouldn't weigh too much, maybe? I hope your farm weathered the storms ok. (Beth)
Ben Matthews But then how would Sandra eat her porridge?? thanks Beth, we've been a battered but it was nothing like last year (so far) so we're not complaining. (Well, just a bit..) Tim
PLEASE COVER YOUR BLANKS IN SHAVINGS!!!!!!!!!! interesting solution for not having correct hook tools by the way! might give it a crack myself! although, i do have a pair of hooks, more tools are always a good thing!
Great video! And an awesome tool. Are you still using it? I would have thought that the way you hardened the gouge would have left it too brittle. Did you temper it also? Thanks for a terrific video and a great idea for a cool tool!
I'd have to second the comment on not using a spindle roughing gouge on bowls. In fact, don't even use them on the outside, the tang isn't strong enough and one day it will break. And using them on the inside is extremely dangerous. I do love your sense of "I can do this", but you clearly have plenty of time on hand, since making this tool from an old spanner will have easily taken a few hours, and bowl gouges, even good ones, are not that expensive. They are also very versatile and will last a long time.
+WayOutWest Blowinblog That's cool, man. I do have a lot of appreciation for people who can conjure up solutions from nowhere. Just as long as you understand the limitations and consequences.
Someone has stolen your video btw, they're a well known scammer who sells stolen plans (that I don't want to mention the name of in case you filter it lol, since they are also well known spammers who bombard channels with fake comments) /watch?v=MLQw1g0aHkc
Just saw that the video has been taken down, glad I could help, those guys are really pretty scummy. I managed to track down a few other people whose videos they stole, but most of them are inactive now so there's not really anything that can be done about it. At least that's 1 strike against them though, hopefully they get banned soon I love the channel though btw, been watching through some of your vids over the last few days and you've definitely got my subscription now. Hope you and Sandra are doing ok though, take care of yourselves :)
The way you sling them under the bench cracks me up. You are so clever and I love your videos!
sheryl napier Thanks so much Sheryl, I shall add bowl-slinger to my C.V...
You are brilliant. My teenage son especially loves your videos. Thank you!
brightpurpleviking Ah ha! He's obviously a very wise young man : - )
you are a genius and a very competent engineer!!!
I love the fact that you never stop what you set out to do just because you don't have the right tool! Thank you for sharing!
That's a really great idea. I've seen commercial ring tools and hook tools, but have read that they're hard to use. It looks like yours works very easily. Thanks for posting!
RickTurns Cheers Rick - I bet the real ones are better but this one worked fine for me
Yes, the large roughing gouge is dangerous in that setting. Your solution is brilliant. It deals with the nasty transition from the bottom of the bowl to the side wall where I have had some dreadful catches even with bowl gouges. I have never seen one like yours- unique.
Google image " bowl scraper". You could easily forge one from some leaf spring. They are easy to grind.
I am very keen on your channel.
CheersFrank
Quarter of my turning tools are home made and not pretty..... but what they help make is. I’m gonna try this, thanks!👍🏼
In the 60s my father used to make wood turning tools out of old metal files as they are very hard obviously I was very young but I can’t remember him grinding them into all sorts of different shapes they also stayed sharp For quite a while before having to re-sharpen just remember the file is brittle and will snap it under too much load hope this helps cheers Derek
Excellent presentation----addressing a problem with thinking out of the box.
Please, viewers, never ever turn bowls with a spindle roughing gouge, they will give nasty catches like the man says; moreover they have a built in weak spot where the gouge tapers down to a tang that inserts into the handle causing breaking and a sharp and heavy piece of steel flying around.
Another viewer mentioned using a scraper if you can't afford a gouge, they are safer. Also you can buy an Easy Wood Tools carbide cutter for about $20.00 USD and mount it on a piece of steel bar stock, they are excellent tools.
I like the your round tool made from a box end wrench, very unique. I built a similar tool one time and just hardened it but did not anneal it, it was too brittle and broke the first time I used it. The You can buy similar cutters called termite tools and mount them in a steel bar too. Thanks.
That's simply genius! Thanks for sharing it.
I like your idea, and your mini forge. Farriers rasps are great for hot filing and can often be had for free.
greetings from across the pond I like your idea mater of fact I tried it, but I used a larger wrench excuse me spanner
never the less It did a wonderful job thsnk you
Never seen a ring tool made like that. They are older than me, and I am not quite as old as dirt. Interesting solution. Ideal for hollowing out the inside of an end grain piece.
I always love your "experiments" they are always right, thank you for sharing
I am really looking forward to seeing how these bowls turn out. Please post a video when you finish them! :) So far they look awesome! :)
seaotter1975 Thanks SeaOtter - though you probably meant bowls, right?! : - )
Very interesting video. Like the way you thought outside the proverbial box.
You mentioned that you had never seen a turning tool like the one you made. A company by the name of Oneway ( maker of the Oneway lathe ) based in Ontario Canada has made that exact tool for over a decade . They refer to it as the Termite and has 3 different sizes.
Thanks Peter, glad to know that
GENIUS! I have seen someone make a spoon carving knife from a ring spanner (I've always called it a closed end wrench, or capture wrench) and I had wondered if one would be useful in turning (which I've only recently gotten into, about a month or so ago). I'll be making me one of these, very soon!
I'm going to have to try that. I can't afford a bowl gouge at the moment. Love your videos they really do help alot. All the best .Peter.
Peter Nolan Cheers Peter!
Very interesting-thank you for sharing your ideas-Greetings from Tasmania Australia 👍😁🇦🇺🦘
Great idea . You probably should have quenched in oil and tempered it in your oven at around 400 degrees . I'm going to give this a try . Cheers .
I look forward to watching how the bowls shape up.
I am in love your sturdy and beautifully grained bowls and plates...they certainly would make whatever was served on/in them all the more tasty! It's ingenious, how you created your own gouge to hollow out your bowls. To watch the creation of them was fascinating and mesmerizing! That wood lathe is an awesome machine. Would you please consider making a video on what you do, once the wood is dry. Thank you for sharing! Gretchen
thundercloud47 Thank you Gretchen - yes lathes are great. I promised Sandra a new bowl for her porridge (oatmeal) but you can't really hurry them. Watch this space though - one day..!
WayOutWest Blowinblog, Awww, gifts thoughtfully chosen and hand made are the best of all. The difference between green and seasoned wood I still find amazing (we heat with wood, and to us is the warmest). The lathe work would think could easily become addictive, all it's possibilities...but the time element surely would play in as well. You folks videos are so inspiring, we've no lathe, or be hives (yet!), still you motivate, and it is greatly appreciated! And will be looking forward to that 'one day'! Gretchen
you have a great voice for narrative g, I subbed :)
When you harden the spanner/gouge, put just the first half to two thirds in the water, and allow the remainder to cool slowly in air.
Alternatively, heat and allow to cool, and then just heat the half/two thirds of the ring, and quench.
Quenching in water makes the steel hard but brittle. Allowing all but the cutting edge to cool slowly allows it to be more ductile, and less likely to shatter.
Imperial spanners are becoming difficult to find, and people who restore old British vehicles need them, and may be prepared to buy them at a premium price. Check on ebay and see.
I love your videos! Please keep making them!
Amazing, I'm going to try this. Top bloke
great experiment looks like it works well
Thank you. I will definitely try that out.
Very nice, I like homemade tools.
good stuff ! you make so much with so little :)
Simply great... So innovative
Excellent, will have to try it!
That is very dangerous using a spindle roughing gouge to do face work. I like your homemade "ring" gouge. It seems to do a great job of cleaning out the bowl area.
Smart idea!
hook tool is pretty easy to make but still need to watch your angles on powered lathes. they are used on treadle and spring pole lathes for turning bowls.
Very good idea. I'm a beginner and since I don't know what I'm doing any help is appreciated 👍.
excellent idea
Since it's been 8 months since this video I'm curious as to how the bowls and plates are doing now? I'm currently making my way through your videos (new subscriber and fan-I'm in awe of your way of living) so I am sorry if you have a video and I just haven't seen it yet. Thank you for sharing your way of life, I live in a big city in the States and am completely jealous of your land, farm, animals, garden and simplistic way of living. My dream for when my guy retires is to live on a farm in Ireland, we have around 30 years to go but one day it will happen.
+Irishqweenb Thanks Irishqweenb - but don't wait 30 years! Anything could happen before then..
The bowl blanks are still drying out - some have twisted and warped and some haven't. Looking forward to doing another video on them but there's no point rushing them.
avens oil near wood [on a small platter or on a cloth ,is a detergent aganst woodworm
great video i wil try this
Pretty cool!
great video mate
Well done🤗
great vid ,,elastic bands are good for keeping sleeves from being caught up into the lathe , be safe , we want more vids,,, Regards Alf
Very clever. Make sure the steel hasn't become brittle and don't apply a lot of pressure to it. Wouldn't want it to shatter when you're using it. I'm sure it's fine though. :)
TheodorEriksson Interesting Theodor - thank you. But how can we know if it's become brittle?
I am by no means an expert in metal or blacksmithing, the thought just struck me that if the steel became brittle from the quenching (if it was a cheap wrench it's probably not made of the best steel either) it could be a hazard. I would say hit it moderately hard against some hard surface and see if it holds up well. Some sort of test that determines if it will bend/dent rather than shatter might be in order. Try it on the back of the eye you sharpened, as I belive that's the only bit you quenched?
This could just be me being paranoid, of course, but rather safe than sorry. If it's made from decent steel I'm sure it'd be fine, but if it was a new cheap tool I would be a bit suspicious. Really enjoyed the video by the way, it was a really smart way to create a bowl gouge!
Well, it is a ring tool, not a gouge, and ring tools are older than me, and I am 70. They do work exceptionally for cutting end grain like boxes and hollow forms.
is your wrench gouge still functioning? It looks like a great idea, almost no kick-back.
very nice!
This is great!! :)
Great stuff
Nice
You are awesome, as usual! Are you sure you can't sell / mail one of those bowls to the States? When dry it wouldn't weigh too much, maybe? I hope your farm weathered the storms ok. (Beth)
Ben Matthews But then how would Sandra eat her porridge?? thanks Beth, we've been a battered but it was nothing like last year (so far) so we're not complaining. (Well, just a bit..) Tim
PLEASE COVER YOUR BLANKS IN SHAVINGS!!!!!!!!!!
interesting solution for not having correct hook tools by the way! might give it a crack myself! although, i do have a pair of hooks, more tools are always a good thing!
thanks a big help
enjoyed the tool making after almost a year is the ring tool still working and have you finished the bowls
+Tom Palmer Yes and no, Tom. I haven't started the finishing yet - but I will as soon as I have the time.
This is a larger version of a tool called a "termite." I think that making it larger was an improvement.
"it ate my spanner, awww maaan..." :)
Great video! And an awesome tool. Are you still using it?
I would have thought that the way you hardened the gouge would have left it too brittle. Did you temper it also?
Thanks for a terrific video and a great idea for a cool tool!
Carl Brill Thanks Carl - yes, I'm still using it (when I get a chance) but I have an idea for a better one. Another video out soon, I hope..
I thought Bagpuss was gonna start turning for a second...
u should make a gouge from a old round file
I have lots of those
what accent is that?
it sounds strangely familiar
I'd have to second the comment on not using a spindle roughing gouge on bowls. In fact, don't even use them on the outside, the tang isn't strong enough and one day it will break. And using them on the inside is extremely dangerous.
I do love your sense of "I can do this", but you clearly have plenty of time on hand, since making this tool from an old spanner will have easily taken a few hours, and bowl gouges, even good ones, are not that expensive. They are also very versatile and will last a long time.
+Wolfgang Schulze-Zachau Ah - but I like making things : - )
+WayOutWest Blowinblog That's cool, man. I do have a lot of appreciation for people who can conjure up solutions from nowhere. Just as long as you understand the limitations and consequences.
Shoot me a message with your address. I'd like to send you a real bowl gouge, as I have many and it would be much safer.
djrezin8 What! Wow, thank you!
Please dont hit the head of the axe with a hammer. It wil mushroom out and it can crack so much that the axe would not be useable more ;)
Nice work, but the metal in most of those wrenches is recycled garbage.
Someone has stolen your video btw, they're a well known scammer who sells stolen plans (that I don't want to mention the name of in case you filter it lol, since they are also well known spammers who bombard channels with fake comments)
/watch?v=MLQw1g0aHkc
Thank NaN - it happens a lot : - (
Just saw that the video has been taken down, glad I could help, those guys are really pretty scummy. I managed to track down a few other people whose videos they stole, but most of them are inactive now so there's not really anything that can be done about it. At least that's 1 strike against them though, hopefully they get banned soon
I love the channel though btw, been watching through some of your vids over the last few days and you've definitely got my subscription now.
Hope you and Sandra are doing ok though, take care of yourselves :)
Never use a spindle roughing gouge on a bowl. Very Dangerous!!!!!!