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I can see some Real benefits with being so quiet . Riders have problems with landowners getting pissed with the noise. Big plus. Bike seems powerful and a blast to ride. Interesting.
I bought a beautiful 2018 YX65, that handles amazing....but all my neighbors hate it due to the noise..I just look at this prestine bike that my son or I cant ride....getting a Sur Ron X first then save some coin to get the E-XC !!!
Rear left hand brake is used by a ton of Enduro riders, so the fact that I has it no clutch, it was natural to put it there. I’m installing a foot brake, but I’ll keep the hand brake if I can find the correct banjo bolt.
It's easier for beginners. I got so used to it that I had some trouble not locking the rear wheel on an alta mx during some rocky sections. Takes about 10min and 20 bucks to mount a foot lever from another bike if you want it that way.
really? id love both brakes on my levers and a linear acceleration seems like a good idea to, i mean im happy with my normal bike and kids some day wont know what the fuck to do on any manual machine, but ive done my time easy seems ok to me. my biggest issue is charging how are you going to have a big day out or a long weekend on an e bike
@@skastyle What lever did you put on yours? My KTM lever is on backorder until July and the conversion wasn't cheap. BY the time I get it I might not want it. LOL! Loving the hand brake now. It was messing me up last time I rode my 250, but haven't ridden that bike since. Hoping to this week.
@@squirrelnutboy it's worth buying for many other reasons, Outside of exposing the radiators that might actually work. Buy solid black shrouds, remove the front and chop the rear fender. It would look like a SurRon or something.
Game changer- think of the possibilities! All our local tracks closing because of suburban sprawl and complaints about race-piped squids out all hours. I could put a track in my backyard and not bother anyone. WAY COOL! Thanks for sharing John - can’t wait to see more!!!
It's not that bad. The range is in check with bikes in the same class. I get about the same ride time as my 250SX ridden under full load. Battery tech is evolving fast. It wont be long. If battery prices could come down, I think people would care less. They forget that these bikes have very low time & maintenance costs.
Actually they could have put a bigger battery in it there are bikes like the zero Sr with 14.4kwh batteries which is like 5 times as much as this one but they wanted to keep the price and weight down
Nice. Well done. Any issues with it yet? I looked everywhere and all I could find was “Brakes Suck.” They are def not Brembo units, but they seem to work ok. Prob just people and their shitty maint as usual 🤣
@@JohnHowerton137 the brakes??? Oh you mean the coward lever!! :D No issues whatsoever. I did the first oilchange (200ml) at 3000km/1year and the oil was not even darkened yet. Electronics work fine, battery still as good as new. No leakings of any fluids. The brakes are what they are. I'm not a heavy rider (57kg full gear) so for me they have enough stopping power. When the brakes are becoming hot, they lose a bit of stopping power, but thats normal i think. I ride in mode 3 most of the time because it's the most fun. Sometimes in mode 2 when doing some technical enduro. Mode 1 is non-excistent for me since in my region there are no 'downhills' to do the regeneration. Also limited to 50km/h. These bike can take a real beating, I know that. I've seen people ride hard motocross on it. Fall on rocks a dozen times. Even ride UNDER WATER!! without any problems (only the handlebar was not under water)
Good to know. Thank you for the info. I’ve seen plenty of hop up parts for the brakes online. Nihilo has a nice carrier for the rear and coated steel pistons for the front brake. Larger rotors too. If the day comes I need more, I’ll look at that stuff. Really think I’m going to have to find a rear pedal brake. I don’t mind the hand brake most of the time, but it gives my bad left hand a beating. Plus I’m having a hard time getting use to no rear foot brake in the air. It’s almost got the best of me a couple times. I rode my 250 today and almost crashed because I pulled the clutch on the downhill instead of the brake, because I rode the Freeride all week 🤣
I have a Sur Ron ebike - its Awesome - I Like having Hand brakes - no clutch - no shifting - Quiet opens up Many riding spots - I road 100KM 30 feet form a housing complex and No one even knew I was there - your bike is Very Cool -
SurRon seems to be a pretty good machine from what I've seen. Because of the price point it has a big following and seems like a lot of things you can tweak on as a result. I think it's probably a great machine for a lot of people.
I love mine for the same reasons, at first I was a little skeptical considering it was made in China, but after so long I even forgot where it was built
Shahzeb Noorani China can make good things, just most of the time they choose not to. If your SunRon would have been named "#1 fashion champion designer top quality" then you would have known to run the other direction 🤣 ⚡️✊
Well, I like a good smoker as much as the next guy. Just built one up 5 months back. Have a playlist for that too 🤣 The range is more or less that of an MX bike ridden on the main jet, but you can’t just add a bigger IMS battery to the e-bike to trail ride it longer. 🤣
Street Squiid well, I’m not so sure e-vehicles are the eco-solution that everyone thinks they are. Mine is actually charged by solar though. If I charge at night, it’s diesel. And I’m not sure the lithium mine in China or whatever was the most eco-friendly either.
@@MiraChanDesu It will increase the electric energy consumption dramatically. And what is the main source of electric energy? Fossil fuels. What a brilliant solution.
Very cool E-bike fromKTM. I currently ride a '19 KTM 259 xc- w-tpi and enjoy it very much. I come from a Harley back ground am 59 yrs old. Last time I rode a dirt bike was 44 yrs ago in amateur competition in Florida. I live in AZ and the desert is great for riding. Like your video. Have fun and stay safe bro.
Certainly does. Barely hear the thing 100ft if it's wide open. Everyone says it sounds like an RC truck. The third person shots are better representation of how it sounds. The first person shots , especially on the street pick up the chain noise, tire hum and wind which makes it sound more annoying that it is.
Russian Bot max about 25 miles. It would commute good if the streets were all 35 mph. Gearing may change that. I may order 1T up on the counter sprocket just to see what happens and how it pulls it.
Interesting times ahead. Where I live, in Denbighshire, the council hate mx bikes, and have closed any courses that open up. Number one reason? Noise. They even closed a course that was in a valley, and the nearest house was about 1 mile away. There's going to be a point where someone applies to open a course for electric only mx bikes. I'll have my popcorn out to see what they come up with to block that one.
Dust is #2. ebikes don't carry the same animosity as gas bikes. Non-dirtbike people look at them like they're bicycles. "Oh, that's neat. It's really quiet!" The only people who hate electric motorcycles are keyboard riders on the internet. And this video is finding them all 🤣
It is. And the 450SX versions aren't very far behind. I'll tell you right now... you don't have to worry about them being less fun, because they are twice as much fun for the most part. Unless you primarily ride fast moto tracks. Marvin Musquin was riding one the other day and Max Vohland rides his all the time. That's basically the current and future lineup from KTM. Seems to be fun enough and good practice for them 🤷♂️ Ryan Hughes rode mine and thought it was "Badass."
Hey again John! I know it's been 4 years since you posted this but what are the risers you have upgraded to here? I think that'll be my next upgrade. Thanks!
It’s Trail Tech riser. I haven’t used risers since about this time, but those are the ones that were on there. I only have risers on one of my bikes now (450) and they are just factory tall I think.
Only comes with one Power Pack. I would love to have a second one, but honestly, don't need it. I'm just lazy 🤣 Probably part of the reason I bought and ebike. Haha! Thats why all my bikes have multiple air filters too.
Thanks for sharing your initial impressions. That is an awesome track you designed with trick corner markers and log jump. Have you found a way to adjust the brake bias between front and rear? Or is adding a foot brake easier? Ride on!
I'll probably have a full 1st review next week. I want to give my impressions on the stock bikes capabilities before I pimp it out. Seems more honest/fair to people who wont pimp it out. The brakes are just normal brakes. The rear is just on the left hand. Squeeze them as needed 😋 Brake pedal isn't easy, but I will be doing a video on that in the nearish future.
You’re flying on that thing! I would definitely consider one. As much as I love the sound of a two stroke, i think there is a lot of potential being quiet. It could open a lot more doors for riding areas. Especially in more urban environments . As it is right now though, I’d have to sell my gas toys to afford one. I’m just not really ready to make the change yet.
Can’t wait to get it set up. It’s going to be so fast! Almost the same fast lap times as my 250SX on the big MX track, but I was riding the Freeride AFTER it started raining and the track was all muddy!
Hey mate, do you know what the chain type is on this bike? I cannot figure out. The length of the link is exactly as is on 520, also the width of the roller. However this chain is much thinner than normal 520. Basically I want to get new chain with o rings and make it one link shorter to suit my desired gearing. I do not want to deatroy my old chain as I will use it with orifinal enduro wheels / gearing.
Normal 520 standard (no-oring chain). O-ring chains are always much fatter and they do suck some power. They can also rub cases up at the countershaft sometimes. The masterlinks are also a pain in the ass. I'm not anti-O-ring chain by any means, I'm actually pro o-ring chain, but if I was you in this situation I would just run a real high-quality standard for ease of things. If you wanted to convert to O-ring, I would probably convert it to a 428, haven't looked into the countershaft options for 428, but the rear sprocket would be real easy because they're 85SX hubs.
@@JohnHowerton137 Thank you mate, I washed dishes and your reply was there. I will buy a standard 520 without o rings, I already have to offset the wheel due to bigger 150 tire I put in.. I watch all your videos, because you ride e-xc. Check out my lates freeride video were we took our hikes in -6 celcius! Though I rode in -10c too. Did you know that charger blocks charging when you try to charge in -5c or bellow? ;D
@@Roadified Was stealthing around on my Freeride or this would have been faster too 🤣 got to swap those knobs back on with a couple studs for those icey rides. I didn't know that. Only about 80-100d warmer than that when I charge mine 🤣😋
Looks like a fun ride except all the fun of modifying an engine is now gone. I mean what can you do to dial it in aside from the Map presets? Is there an ecu tuning protocol?
Jered Almeida not yet. FI killed most the fun anyway. If you look at the KTM 50, it has 6 maps and the same interface, so in the future i'm sure there will be some kind if piggyback device and you could make it do whatever on your phone or computer. Honestly though, the two maps are like two different bikes. I have no desire to tune it really. Chassis is where real tuning is done anyway and the stock setup leaves quite a bit to be pursued if you ride it like I want to 🤣
Hi John, how long does your battery last for if you ride your Freeride E-XC bike continuously in Map 3? ie flat out in Map 3... Best Michael in the UK.
michael day don't know and unlikely to ever test that. I suspect it's only 30, maybe 40 mins tops. This is an alley riding bike and not a highway bike. People may think that's bad and bash on it, but it's all relative. If you took a YZ85 (similar speed and HP) and held it wide open down the road like that, not only would the fuel time be the same, but the engine would blow up. You could rip town like mad man on a YZ85 with supermoto tires though. The late model bike's batteries are sufficient for what they are designed for. In on/off throttle situations, the battery life is good because there is basically no engine braking when not twisting the throttle... the bike is coasting and only really using accessory power. According to Strava, my friend and I were riding for 2 hours on Tuesday and used exactly 50% battery. Total ride was about 3.5 hours with the stops.
From the video it appeared you got 21 miles out of a 90% charge, correct? Has the range improved? What’s the max range you can get in the highest power setting? What does the replacement battery cost? That’s what makes me nervous about buying one. I don’t want a $3,000-$5,000 battery replacement to deal with in 3 or 5 years down the road depending on use. Did you have to install a 220 volt receptacle in your shop or garage? How long does it take to charge up? What are the other downsides you’ve noticed compared to a normal gas bike?
There's going to be an entire charge video at some point. Range improved with the 2018 battery upgrade. I almost never ride it in the highest power setting. No need usually. Too many factors to determine a max range/time. Just like if you gave Cooper Webb and some beginner both a 450SX. Cooper drains the tank in 45mins, the beginner takes 2.5hrs. I get about 18 miles 1:15 , my friend got 27.5 and 2h32 today. 100% varies on how and what you ride. Rides with short bursts of power favor run time. You can backyard ride one of these until your arms fall off and barely make a dent in the battery. Wide open down the street and you'll be disappointed. Battery is like 3K. I [think] it might have 3 year warranty. It will last longer than the chassis. After 700 cycles (875 hrs for me) they still retain 80% life. I use my dryer plug or charge at friends houses usually. Most of us are solar power, so it's free during the day. Charges from dead in like 1h45 on high. Ate lunch and it was done. Downsides = 2. I can't take my favorite bike for 35 mile rides. Forced to ride a gas bike. It sucks for anything that requires over about 45mph. It's not designed for it, so shouldn't expect it.
John Howerton thanks for the info, good to read that the long term battery life will last longer than what I was thinking. Have you ridden in colder temps? I’ve got an electric Onewheel skateboard and an ebike and noticed they lose range when it gets down to 30°F and colder. Last fall I wasn’t sure if I was going to make it to work on my Onewheel as the battery went way quicker on the same commute I did dozens of times over last summer. I can see a time where e-dirt bikes could get way more popular as the battery technology advances. The ranges you are experiencing would only work part of the time for me unfortunately. I can’t help but wonder if they offered a manual trans with it if that wouldn’t increase battery life? The RC cars most of us had as kids had a high/low range, even my DeWalt drill has three ranges. Did you mean 11:15 in your video? The ODO showed 21 miles at 1.4 hrs which works out to an average speed of just under 15 mph. Your buddy’s ride was an average speed of under 12 mph. I need to do some recording of my dirt bike rides to see how that compares because it’s sounding awfully slow, but I’ve never tried to calculate my average speed on a dirt bike when play/trail riding so it might not be far off either. Snowmachining is totally different for our trails and conditions and I know my normal rides involve much higher average speeds. This will be fun and interesting for me to document. Right now I’ve got my heart set on a YZ250X for next summer and I’ll pass my present YZ 250 down to my son. There are a ton of places the KTM would be super fun but for $11,000. ( I think the charger is extra, WTF?) I could buy a TW 200 along with the 250X and only be $1,200 more at MSRP on both. I’m subscribed, keep up the great work! I’ve got more of the. To watch tonight 👍.
Yes, the avg is slow when just play riding. The timer is running any time in the front wheel is moving. If you were racing motos and pulling off the avg speed would be double that. There is some decreased life when cold and I believe the system has a build in battery warmup feature. Keep in mind these are made and tested in the cold part of Europe and quite popular there too. Won't be making any videos about that here in Hawaii, sorry 🤷♂️😆 Appreciate you watching 🤙
John Howerton Oh wow, I didn’t realize you were In Hawaii! You’ll definitely be warmer than my normal temps for sure. I’m really curious about what my average dirt bike speeds are now as we don’t have the best trails or conditions. My summer riding is definitely slower than winter rides. In another video a different owner mentioned the power didn’t hit very hard initially, they said it came on smooth and had a bit of a lag so it was different and a bit harder to pop the front end up over things since it also doesn’t have a clutch. Have you noticed this as well?
@@thatalaskaguy They weren't in Mode 3 then. It's full 300XC-W torque right from crack of the throttle. Electric Ditch Witch! The weight is forward, so it doesn't lift uncontrolled like a gas bike, but if someone can't lift the front in Mode 3 they have no clue how to ride. I barely use 3. It is different, but that's because the rider has been using the clutch to mask poor riding. Mode 2: ruclips.net/video/2JXtPJ8ciBQ/видео.html Mode 3: ruclips.net/video/GNSX0-25tEI/видео.html
That all depends on your throttle hand. Mode 1 wont spin anything. Mode 2 (enduro mode) is probably the sweet spot for having enough power but not breaking the tire loose. The throttle is different at first, but after about 10 hours of riding you get a handle on how the electric power works.
Ian Hamilton only battle now is dust which is easy to control. Literally nobody cares about the sound of these. Even WIDE OPEN it disappears 150ft away 🥰
@@JohnHowerton137 even people with small acreage properties surrounded by neighbor's are going to live our their dirtbike fantasies.Tempted to find investment opportunities!
I never truly found any (Polisport, Acerbis etc..), but I haven't looked for a while. I have seen some on euro bikes a few times, but don't recall if I every found them or maybe I was too cheap 🤣 85cc ones would likely fit if you can find some of those.
These were the ones I found: www.hyderacing.net/index.php?_route_=ktm-250-freeride-2-stroke/HP-SAP-122 I was too cheap and they were a little too ugly 🤣 That said, if I was dragging through rocks nonstop, I’d probably still get them.
Thats the only.ones i saw too, I would pay double price since danish tax is insane. You probably need them more than i do, seen how you dropped your bike on rocks many times. i need them more for looks and less for actual protection ;D
Haha. They literally call this island “The Rock.’’ The chit is 10x as brutal as it looks. Everything is sharp as glass and cheese graters. Most of it is what the Hawaiian’s call, “A’a” (ahh-ahh). Probably named because of the sounds they made walking over it 🤣
Never purchased a dirt bike before.. All my friends are pressuring me to do so lol.. Have a mountain bike, but would you recommend this bike as the first dirt bike purchase I make ? To learn on, and get the hang of it, get my seat time up..?!
Yes, and maybe the only one... depending on how far they try and take you. If you have a smaller area, like maybe up to 100 acres that has trails weaving through it, this is pretty perfect. If they're going to take you out in the middle of nowhere with fire roads as access... it won't do it range wise. You're capped about 25 miles. It doesn't take very long to burn 10 miles or more of those on access roads. Chances are, your buddies on gas bikes are flying (everyone does)... so you're holding it wide-open and not conserving battery. Totally natural jump for you though. The weight will be weird to handle for a few weeks, then you'll melt right into it because it flows more like a MTB than it does a motorcycle. One of the benefits of no clutch (like pedaling), is you learn to carry momentum instead of ricocheting off everything because you can bang on a clutch. The SurRon would be an even better entry point for you for starters, but no matter how many people try and BS you into thinking that it's superior to this Freeride, it's just not true. That's like someone telling you they put beefy suspension on their XC bike and now it's better than your DH bike. It's just not reality. The SurRon is a good machine and can grow with you, but by the time you do all the upgrades to get it to similar specs it ends up being the same money. The Freeride is actually a motorcycle. KTM has made 3 other gas versions of this too. You can probably ride a lot of the mountain bike places on both of these bikes. Which would be pretty cool because then you can ride without your gas bike friends too and convert you to the dark side 😈😆
John Howerton Wow !!! Amazing info and advice ! Really appreciate you sharing and taking the time. Gonna continue to do my research and will update you if I get one ! Thanks !!!
Man that looks like so much fun! Hey for your rear tire I highly recommend you trying out the Tusk Recon hybrid gummy tire! You get it from rocky mountain mc and it’s only $59. I do a lot of this fun enduro still riding and I run tubeless set up and it’s the best tire I’ve used so far and the cheapest
TravNasty520 I forgot about that option 👍 Maybe I’ll give it a shot. Wouldn’t really consider it on my other bikes, but I think sticky works good on this bike.
I like the bike its cool, but the only issue is battery life. Up where i live theres so many animals like bears, mountain lions and other stuff crossing trails. Rather have something loud so they know im coming
Battery isn't really an issue if you ride it the way/where it was intended. If you have a couple miles area, it's fine. Exploring the unknown and gravel roads into nowhere, it's limited. Animals, that's your call. Maybe you could use it for hunting 😋
really considering something like this for my 1.5ac space out back since my neighbors are buttholes. will you be doing a trail ride distance test as well? 21mi on a track is one thing, but trail riding is different in the sense that you are not so "on/off" the throttle. Curious to see if you can go farther on a trail ride.
25 is about max range from what I can tell. This think is perfect for like 200 acres. 1.5 it's about the only thing, and it's amazeballs for that. Watch my backyard and double jump videos. My friend has 2a and he used about 1/8 of it for ebike fun 😋
John great videos and awesome footage. Can I ask if you can do a comparison video for a gas bike versus the Freeride in terms of what maintenance is needed. It would be interesting to see what maintenance is needed for the Freeride vs a normal equivalent dirtbike as Im sure the freeride is not maintenance free? Thanks
Expect to wear out a lot more tires, because you’ll be riding a lot more since you can ride basically anywhere and it’s not a pain in the ass to prepare/clean air filters, change oil, filling gas cans. There is a 6.74oz gear oil change at 50 hours. The chassis will probably be worn out before you use a whole $8 quart. The battery will still maintain 80% charge at 875hrs (700 cycles @ 1h15) if the chassis or you last that long 🤣🤷🏼♂️ If you ever feel bad about not working on it all the time... I suppose you could service the suspension fluids more often and grease the pivot points/wheels. Most people grossly neglect these areas anyway which are arguably more important than the engine for riding fast.
John Howerton thanks John I reckon that in itself sells me on the freeride. I'll definitely be looking to get one. I guess brakes are another thing eventually that will need replacement and the coolant but nothing like a normal dirt bike. Thanks for the info. I love your videos great job
Any normal wear parts will be the same. Chains, sprockets, brakes, tires... but outside of that, nothing. I’ll tell you right now... I don’t miss filters, oils changes, or fuel one bit. I welcome the future where the battery takes us to infinity and beyond 😋
I kinda want one. No valve drops or ring changes I would assume you gotta change battery’s and that can’t be cheap but for the most part start and ride. Until your battery dies 10 mins into the ride
Jon the lamb battery will probably outlast the chassis. KTM says after 700 cycles, it still retains 80%. Think about that. That’s like 875 hours of riding! And it’s still 80%! And I believe the battery might even have a 3 year warranty. The battery is $3,600 rumored. How many $1,000 top ends do you replace in 875 hours on a bike that’s ridden hard? Has to be at least 2 major rebuilds in a high performance small more bike of similar-ish power (250F) and probably another simple piston change or two. No fuel costs (like $1 to charge), basically no oil and filter changes, no air filter maintenance...... Stuff all starts looking pretty good real quick 🤣 And it’s got power!
Doubtful any, but I don’t know for sure. My basis for this thought is; No significant chassis changes in any of the 4 Freeride models that have been released since 2013. They bike sits in it’s own little niche comfortably. The suspension is already the latest XPLOR stuff from WP. This motor is going to be used in other KTM models like a scooter. Development is done and there is no need for any more performance for a bike in this category. I don’t know of any advances in battery technology that would be implemented (last update 2018). Global Economy isn’t in the best shape. I suspect it will be a few years yet when the market gets a little more competitive, before KTM makes a move... and that will be a race bike. This model will probably remain close to the same.
Your loss. They sound like a space ship in person. Kind of like that shitty “Enhanced Audio” on the 2-strokes last year at Straight Rhythm. If that’s what 2-strokes sounded like, I’d never want to hear one again. Luckily I have 1,000s of hours on/around 2-stokes. ruclips.net/video/sqgcwHdvojM/видео.html You on the other hand probably have zero minutes on an electric.
John Howerton a space ship that sounds like it’s about to fall apart. Bikes super annoying to listen to, the guy has a point. Your loss wasting money on it.
Djnation it's only annoying if you're insecure and have an ego that requires you to say things to make you sound more manly. 50,000 people seemed to think its pretty cool so far. The dealer I bought it from sold out yesterday. Somebody wants them. The five people I let ride it so far all want one. One of them already bought one. Not one person offline out of about 50 who've seen me ride it had even one bad thing to say about it. The most common response "That thing is f-ing cool." Keep watching, I plan on showing it do some cool stuff. I'd even like to race the Hawaiian Supercross race on it, if it gets rescheduled.
looks like your from my neck of the woods I saw you testing i think the 2nd time out with the bike. I would say any negative comments are just envy. I want one!
I believe you’re correct. That and afraid of the new and unknown. I’ve since gotten it dialed in and figured out. The bike exceeds the expectations I had for it. The crap I was in today NOBODY rides and very few even could.
Hey John -- Question on charging. Have you or do you know anyone who has charged the Freeride with a gas/propane portable generator on location? I want to start riding at different locations away from home and don't want to spend the money on another battery right now esp. for 4 - 6 hour riding days. I don't want to do anything stupid and kill the battery over something I'm not sure about doing. Any thoughts? Still love my E-XC!!
@@JohnHowerton137 Awesome!!! No, didn't know you had this video. Very informative. I did figure out today that if the generator is a 30 amp output, I would need a 4-prong L14-30P male input followed by the adapter to a L6-20R. This enables me to connect my L6-20P male in. At the house I had a garage receptacle (50 amp) to charge a Tesla owned by the previous house owner. Real nice because once I put in a L6-20R receptacle, it allowed me to pull the bike right into the garage and start charging without pulling the battery and hooking up to my dryer outlet which I see others doing. I did pull my battery today not because of charging but our temps are going down to 12 - 18 degrees F. So I thought to put my battery in the house and take to bed with me. KTM batteries are a work of art and I didn't have the heart to leave it on the floor ;-).
@@stevemisiaszek1524 mine gets charged off the dryer 9x out of 10. Just have to remember to do the accessory battery too... that little guy actually drains pretty quickly. I have a whole boatload worth of Freeride stuff. Over 60 videos. Scroll through my video list. You’ll find all kinds of stuff in there 👍
It’s really all you need most of the time. With good traction Map 3 is really fun, but this soil is really light and silty. Lots of flat rock patches and diagonal shallow tree roots, and once the grass starts coming off and dries up, the surface starts to push. Think of a bed sheet on top a tile floor. You don’t see ANY of that in the video. Look how many trees fall because of the light soil. Map 3 will just explode a silt berm and actually push through/over it fairly easily. Tons of torque instantly. It’s like the clutch drop the magazines do deep into the back of a berm for the cover photo... Not the fast way through 🤣 Make sure you watch tomorrow’s vid. You’ll see how much power Map 3 puts down ⚡️✊
Cow's give zero fcks about these things. I was riding about 8 feet from them last night. The younger ones might have even liked it 🤣 If you were moving cows with it, probably 20-25 miles 2hrs maybe. Ripping it, about 18 miles 1h15. It's highly variable. You're times wont be worse than that.
I’m bout to check out your channel and see if you have a highway battery test, I mean I know it’s not meant for highway but more of a question of constant speed/battery life
I dont. Pinned wide open I'd prob expect 40mins. I can get 50mins of motocross and thats pretty high demand. Just a guess. Long sustained is the weak link if there is one. Plenty of followers ride them on the road, so maybe someone will reply with a better answer.
Reminds of riding my downhill bike for days or weeks and then hoping on my moto and accidentally grabbing too much front brake. I see the positive of the rear brake on the bar but a big transition after all the years of riding. Also seem to me that a hub mounted motor would be the way to go. Get the batteries lower and more weight on the rear tire.
This is cool as hell nice riding too I know I'd wreck myself on this bike like with my 2 stroke I kinda feel more In control even by the sound but I am definitely going to miss petrol when it becomes electric bikes only (not hating btw)
Petrol will be raced closed course as novelty for a long time from now. There are still many applications like endurance racing where it will take electric a long time to conquer unless they change the rules or battery tech has a big breakthrough. We’ll all miss petrol, but at the same time we won’t. Just like it’s cool to see an old rotary phone or watch a VHS tape sometimes, but the reality is, we don’t really want to use those things everyday anymore... because they kind of suck 🤣 Electric dirtbikes are still in 1997 Prius mode. They don’t suck, but they aren’t Teslas yet.
It's not on the bike anymore. Just didn't have time to take it off before leaving to ride and make the video that day. The stock triple clamp has a 3-5mm rise and the standard mounts sit on top of that. It's not super low. All I really wanted was about 5mm, but only had that 25mm in my box. Prob just leave it stock and if the bars bend put a Renthal 997 on it.
Personally, I don't like the "look" of this bike....but as you have said, that's purely subjective and my opinion only. I am keeping a keen eye on electric motorbikes though, because if the battery technology is improved so you can get a day's riding off a single charge, I might swoop on one. What is the weight capacity on this particular one?
Don't think it has a weight limit, but I've seen it pull around a 260lb guy no problem. Suspension is soft if you weigh over about 140lbs. I just had a suspension job for motocross.
Sorry I missed this. Haven't see a capacity, but my friend is 200lbs and loves his. The torque will easily pull anyone around. Stiffer springs are pretty easily purchased. Slaven's has them in stock. My suspension video is coming soon (not medically cleared to ride yet), but by 200lb buddy ended up with my 52 front and 69 rear springs after the suspension job and loves it. We ride motocross-esque stuff mostly which requires beefier setup/valving.
If you ride it like a sack of poop over the middle of the seat, not really. That’s not because of lack of power, it’s the weight distribution. If you have weight over the back... no problem especially in Mode 3. Watch a bunch of my other videos. I have it holeshotting 450s, pulling wheel for 100ft under power. Produces same torque numbers as a wide open 300. If you ride in places that never need more than 3rd gear, it rips.
Not yet. COVID is holding up the process. I added it to my Geico account though. Just riding it on the street like I would before an oil change on my smoker. Not commuting to the store or anything yet.
Only thing that suck is you can't just put more gas in it and keep riding. Maybe switch out the battery every 1.4 hours but how much do those cost? But then again you only have to buy the batteries once? So that's pretty neat
It's just like anything, it's conditioning. Most people have to wait for a lunch break and not just eat whenever they feel like it (adding gas). You'll learn not to starve. Same thing with the battery. It's just planning. The battery life also depends on how you ride it. I've ridden 2hrs and had 50% left on trail rides, and as short as 50min riding moto. If you have slow, tight trails it's not unreasonable to expect it to last 3 hours or more. Followers have told me as much. If you have roads between those trails... the life will cut way down. It's just learning the intricacies of the bike. Hand's down it's my favorite bike I've owned. I don't enjoy riding gas bikes nearly as much as I used to. Especially when I have to clean a filter, fill/pump fuel and change oil. So over that stuff. You don't have to pay for that crap anymore either. For most people a ride costs like $0.40 on this thing (electricity). Mine charges off the house's solar, so even better.
All of them. Map 1 CRF 100, Map 2 enduro 250F or KDX 200 Map 3 strong MX bike that tops out at 50mph. It’s hard to draw comparisons because the power is totally different. But it’s something like above.
Ive had about 10 people contact me and say they bought one because of me. That = 10% of the sales for this bike nationwide. And those are the ones I know of. Are you listening KTM? 🤣
Going to follow your channel but... Can you speak to how the power degrades when the battery gets close to being drained? That was a huge concern for me.
It doesn’t until you hit the red flashing mode on the indicator. When it flashes red (0-10%) is when you’ll notice it... and you better get headed back to wherever you came from, because there is no neutral when pushing it 🤣 It’s like pushing a bike with a Rekluse clutch while in gear. Solid Red, which is 20% remaining, still goes good. You can see in some of my riding clips, she’s still rippin’ in the red ✊If it’s degraded, I haven’t noticed it. Maybe... when I was riding mud uphills, but that definitely could have been the huge amount of mud & grass buildup in the drivetrain, on the bike and my soaking wet gear.
Nope. I believe it’s every 20 charges you should run it dead? Manual says. I forgot because I run it dead about every 3 times. Basically any time I travel anywhere to ride it I run it to code. Riding in the hood it uses maybe 10% each ride and I resume the next day etc.. Charge it full before the full Sunday ride just like you would with gas. It lasts a long time if you’re just dicking around home (3-4 hours) unless you have a big track at the house. Battery life isn’t at all a problem whatsoever when play riding.
Same battery since the 2018 3.88kwh update. Trail riding should be in the 25 miles sort of range. If you’re riding solo, it’s plenty enough and fun. If your buddies have 3gal gas bikes and you’re in a open area like a national forest, you’ll probably be disappointed. It’s not for that. None of the Freeride line is.
Ivan Melons a handful of these dealers may still have one 3 Bros KTM in Costa Mesa, CA Solid Performance KTM in Downingtown, PA. KTM of North Texas in Arlington, TX CJ KTM of Murrieta in Murrieta, CA. Edelman’s KTM in Troy, NY. KTM of Roseville in Roseville, CA. Larsons Cycle in Cambridge, MN. Adventure Powersports KTM in McKinney, TX Malcolm Smith Motorsports in Riverside, CA. Elite Motorsports KTM in Loveland, CO.
How fn cool at any given time or day dosent matter weather or altitude this thing is ready to rip with no motor breakdowns. How do i get 1 how much i was on ktm website i couldent find it I remember few years ago they have so many differnt electric ones in we need all thoose versions
Basically 😋 They are about $11k. MRP + Shipping. KTM only make 2 models. This one (Freeride E-XC) and the SX-E 5 for kids. Thee are only 11 dealers in the country. Most are probably out by now. 3 Bros KTM in Costa Mesa, CA Moto City KTM in Avondale, AZ. Solid Performance KTM in Downingtown, PA. KTM of North Texas in Arlington, TX CJ KTM of Murrieta in Murrieta, CA. Edelman’s KTM in Troy, NY. KTM of Roseville in Roseville, CA. Larsons Cycle in Cambridge, MN. Adventure Powersports KTM in McKinney, TX Malcolm Smith Motorsports in Riverside, CA. Elite Motorsports KTM in Loveland, CO.
J D not sure. You guys usually get a little more screwed than us and I'm not 100% sure if they are in OZ anyway. I'd do the research for you, but I'm not at my computer.
rkw junior it’s actually a hybrid trials tire that was designed specifically for the bike. It’s also DOT. The bikes are street legal everywhere except the USA. It’s a great tire for what the bike was designed for. Too soft for what I use it for most of the time. The bike is kind of in a class of it’s own. The Freeride line closes the gap between using a trials bike in gnarly trails and a traditional trail bike like say a 200EXC. Focus being on light weight and slightly smaller chassis (2” lower seat & wheelbase). The motors (gas too) are tuned like trials bike for user friendly power. Single track monster! KTM has made 4 versions of the bike 250 2T, 250F, 350F and Electric. In the electric they did also make a SX version for a few years. The Freeride line is pretty popular in smaller Europe, but in America we like everything bigger, so not that many (in any version) have been imported. I’d say the chassis is close to the size of the popular 230cc trail bikes from the Japanese.
rkw junior battery tech is still expensive. $3k of the price is battery. Keep in mind there is basically no maint costs or associated time (outside of wear items) and energy costs to ride are practically nothing. A days worth of riding is like $0.40. No more air filters!!! 😍 KTM says after 700 cycles (875 hrs at my avg), the battery still retains 80% of it’s capacity.
The only downside to electric motorcycles and dirt bikes is the range (or ride time) and charge time. I have been thinking about getting the dual sport bike from Zero Motorcycles, but I just don't know if it would have the battery life to through the trails like a normal dual sport will. Maybe one day.
They’re all going to be expensive. That’s just what bikes cost these days. I don’t love it either, but it is what it is. If you look back a couple videos in my feed the Electric Motion “Escape is a great machine. Not any cheaper, but it is much lighter. I’d have one of those, but when I found out there was a KTM importing again, I wanted the dirtbike inspired chassis over the trials inspired chassis. If I don’t go broke from COVID-19 killing the economy, I’ll probably get an Electric Motion Trials bike. You could look into the SurRon if you just want a ebike to rip the woods. They seem like decent machines with a big following and lots of hop-up parts.
It's still a novelty at this point..the technology isn't there yet for this to compete with any fuel burning bike..Lyndon Poskitt ran an Alta at Erzburg in 2018 and it failed miserably...
@@JohnHowerton137 I'm not downing the technology I think it's great I use all kinds of battery powered devices..i welcome more advancement..the truth is these bikes aren't ready yet..it is possible..but the cost involved doesnt make sense
My Enduro Challenge racing at the highest level... I agree. They’re probably 2-3 years away yet if the R&D is there. For a good chunk of general public who ride dirtbikes, they’re there if you understand the range limitation.
It’s actually kind of fun to listen to. Outside of RUclips nobody has disliked the way it sounds. Most the time they don’t even hear it, its the microphone picking up crap the ear doesn’t. EVERY DAY my neighbor says, “I just can’t get over how quiet that thing is.” My other neighbor two hours ago said, “It’s kinda cool how you just hear the chain and stuff.” It’s mostly just tire hum and chain noises going down the road.
Plan to do a little of that in different conditions. This ride was dry and mostly tight riding. Also 55-60d temps. I showed 21 miles 1:24. My last ride in very slippery, muddy, hilly motocross track felt much shorter.
Yes it was. Right from the box. My charge yesterday was 25.5 miles mostly street. Long straights (like street) at max power are what seem to kill it quicker. My little jump video was like 20-30 minutes of bursts and it never even dropped off the top green bar. Slow bursty like trail riding you could ride a long time. Watch the Ryno video I uploaded today. I put the charge stats at the end. I worked the hell out of that little bike on that track. Blew the alignment out twice, broke a shroud with my knee and ripped the fender tabs off the rear fender. Luckily I took the taillight fender off or it would be gone. Knocked my 250SX out of alignment too. Couldn’t move either of my wrists the next day 🤣
@@JohnHowerton137 Makes sense, physics is physics, Even on my 570 sportsman ride technical trails all day without going under 1/2 tank. , blast on wide open for a couple of hours and can barely get 60 miles out of 5 gallons. (570s are huge fat 700lbs awd pig of a quad lol).
C.T. Wellington even though I like foot brake, I understand why they did it. Its easier for most people learning and its good for trail riding. Mine will have a foot brake next week.
Why would they make it a handbrake??? 😕 So damn sick tho man I'm jealous. How much is one of these out the door? Edit: what's with the camera? It was swaying to the left and right I couldn't figure out where you had it placed. I legit checked to see if u were using a 360 camera. I was so confused by this haha 😋
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I can see some Real benefits with being so quiet . Riders have problems with landowners getting pissed with the noise. Big plus. Bike seems powerful and a blast to ride. Interesting.
It ticks all those boxes.
I bought a beautiful 2018 YX65, that handles amazing....but all my neighbors hate it due to the noise..I just look at this prestine bike that my son or I cant ride....getting a Sur Ron X first then save some coin to get the E-XC !!!
Stephen Childs I hate how everyone can’t appreciate the sounds of a dirtbike. 🤧 All those whiny neighbors ruining our fun.
Exactly why I’m getting one, stealth mode
I don’t mind that it doesn’t have a clutch but the rear brake shouldn’t be actuated by hand. That makes it more like a bicycle instead of a dirt bike.
Rear left hand brake is used by a ton of Enduro riders, so the fact that I has it no clutch, it was natural to put it there. I’m installing a foot brake, but I’ll keep the hand brake if I can find the correct banjo bolt.
It's easier for beginners. I got so used to it that I had some trouble not locking the rear wheel on an alta mx during some rocky sections. Takes about 10min and 20 bucks to mount a foot lever from another bike if you want it that way.
really? id love both brakes on my levers and a linear acceleration seems like a good idea to, i mean im happy with my normal bike and kids some day wont know what the fuck to do on any manual machine, but ive done my time easy seems ok to me. my biggest issue is charging how are you going to have a big day out or a long weekend on an e bike
@@skastyle What lever did you put on yours?
My KTM lever is on backorder until July and the conversion wasn't cheap. BY the time I get it I might not want it. LOL! Loving the hand brake now. It was messing me up last time I rode my 250, but haven't ridden that bike since. Hoping to this week.
@@squirrelnutboy it's worth buying for many other reasons, Outside of exposing the radiators that might actually work. Buy solid black shrouds, remove the front and chop the rear fender. It would look like a SurRon or something.
It sounds more like my cousin’s toy car😂
Game changer- think of the possibilities! All our local tracks closing because of suburban sprawl and complaints about race-piped squids out all hours. I could put a track in my backyard and not bother anyone. WAY COOL! Thanks for sharing John - can’t wait to see more!!!
Right on the money with that man!
Many more to come!
Somebody put some oil on the tin man over here . (Squeak squeak) 😂
SG12s baby. It’s da hinges Brah.
John Howerton I have the SG 12’s ya need to get em dirty and the squeak goes away. Everytime they are clean they squeak.
Your wish is my command! 🤣⚡️✊
i love the fact it is quiet. Nothing by neighbors around here to complain
Nobody here's anything past a few hundred feet. Shortens even more with trees and houses to block sound.
How much was it??
Hey how awesome would it be if you attached some old baseball cards to click on the spokes for a mother sound 😂
nah just smash your front wheel on a soda can
Magic machine, pity about the battery life however, when battery tech improves these bikes will be the future of motocross.
It's not that bad. The range is in check with bikes in the same class. I get about the same ride time as my 250SX ridden under full load.
Battery tech is evolving fast. It wont be long. If battery prices could come down, I think people would care less. They forget that these bikes have very low time & maintenance costs.
Actually they could have put a bigger battery in it there are bikes like the zero Sr with 14.4kwh batteries which is like 5 times as much as this one but they wanted to keep the price and weight down
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@@arthurdaly4753 I like your in depth and insightful reply.....
Shane Mitchell I try
Honestly this looks really fun. And really good for if you want to ride without having to worry about the clutch.
Super fun. New vid up in a couple hours ✊⚡️
@@JohnHowerton137 Nice! I'll definitely come back to your channel.
I know you will enjoy it. Have mine for a whole year now. Put 3000km on it and still loving every second of it.
Nice. Well done. Any issues with it yet?
I looked everywhere and all I could find was “Brakes Suck.” They are def not Brembo units, but they seem to work ok. Prob just people and their shitty maint as usual 🤣
@@JohnHowerton137 the brakes??? Oh you mean the coward lever!! :D
No issues whatsoever. I did the first oilchange (200ml) at 3000km/1year and the oil was not even darkened yet.
Electronics work fine, battery still as good as new. No leakings of any fluids. The brakes are what they are. I'm not a heavy rider (57kg full gear) so for me they have enough stopping power. When the brakes are becoming hot, they lose a bit of stopping power, but thats normal i think.
I ride in mode 3 most of the time because it's the most fun. Sometimes in mode 2 when doing some technical enduro. Mode 1 is non-excistent for me since in my region there are no 'downhills' to do the regeneration. Also limited to 50km/h.
These bike can take a real beating, I know that.
I've seen people ride hard motocross on it. Fall on rocks a dozen times. Even ride UNDER WATER!! without any problems (only the handlebar was not under water)
Good to know. Thank you for the info. I’ve seen plenty of hop up parts for the brakes online. Nihilo has a nice carrier for the rear and coated steel pistons for the front brake. Larger rotors too. If the day comes I need more, I’ll look at that stuff. Really think I’m going to have to find a rear pedal brake. I don’t mind the hand brake most of the time, but it gives my bad left hand a beating. Plus I’m having a hard time getting use to no rear foot brake in the air. It’s almost got the best of me a couple times. I rode my 250 today and almost crashed because I pulled the clutch on the downhill instead of the brake, because I rode the Freeride all week 🤣
I have a Sur Ron ebike - its Awesome - I Like having Hand brakes - no clutch - no shifting -
Quiet opens up Many riding spots - I road 100KM 30 feet form a housing complex and No one even knew I was there -
your bike is Very Cool -
SurRon seems to be a pretty good machine from what I've seen. Because of the price point it has a big following and seems like a lot of things you can tweak on as a result. I think it's probably a great machine for a lot of people.
I love mine for the same reasons, at first I was a little skeptical considering it was made in China, but after so long I even forgot where it was built
Shahzeb Noorani China can make good things, just most of the time they choose not to. If your SunRon would have been named "#1 fashion champion designer top quality" then you would have known to run the other direction 🤣 ⚡️✊
I think I'll stick with my noise making, oil burning 2 stroke. That doesn't mean I wouldn't pick one up when they get better range.
Well, I like a good smoker as much as the next guy. Just built one up 5 months back. Have a playlist for that too 🤣
The range is more or less that of an MX bike ridden on the main jet, but you can’t just add a bigger IMS battery to the e-bike to trail ride it longer. 🤣
I know but Mother Earth is important too
Street Squiid well, I’m not so sure e-vehicles are the eco-solution that everyone thinks they are. Mine is actually charged by solar though. If I charge at night, it’s diesel. And I’m not sure the lithium mine in China or whatever was the most eco-friendly either.
Fossil fuel burning vehicles will be phased out in many European countries by 2040-2050. That’s where KTM is from.
@@MiraChanDesu It will increase the electric energy consumption dramatically. And what is the main source of electric energy? Fossil fuels. What a brilliant solution.
He got the boots that sponge bob was wearing lol the squeak that drove me.crabs crazy lol
It’s cool, but I can’t deal with that sound, it’s like your riding a baby pig
It's not as bad as it sounds.
😂 the sound is half of the fun on a bike
Sounds like an RC car kinda too. But this thing is pretty savage!
Memory Sometimers it's only about as loud as one too. 😋
hahahaha funny af...now im picturing "riding a baby pig"
Very cool E-bike fromKTM. I currently ride a '19 KTM 259 xc- w-tpi and enjoy it very much. I come from a Harley back ground am 59 yrs old. Last time I rode a dirt bike was 44 yrs ago in amateur competition in Florida. I live in AZ and the desert is great for riding. Like your video. Have fun and stay safe bro.
250 TPI is a great bike and AZ has lots of amazing riding. Much more fun than the Harley 😋 Enjoy! Rubber Side Down 🤙
No way I could have fun riding this with the cheezy noise it makes.
COO Bay good 👍 There isn't enough available for all the people who want them anyway.
For the sound complainers. Its ok guys you can tape playing cards to the spokes for some major fun.
I live out in the country and still your biggest problem is noise complaints! This should solve that 🤷🏻♂️
Certainly does. Barely hear the thing 100ft if it's wide open. Everyone says it sounds like an RC truck.
The third person shots are better representation of how it sounds. The first person shots , especially on the street pick up the chain noise, tire hum and wind which makes it sound more annoying that it is.
John Howerton What’s your in town range do you think I could also use it to commute to work
Russian Bot max about 25 miles. It would commute good if the streets were all 35 mph. Gearing may change that. I may order 1T up on the counter sprocket just to see what happens and how it pulls it.
Interesting times ahead. Where I live, in Denbighshire, the council hate mx bikes, and have closed any courses that open up. Number one reason? Noise. They even closed a course that was in a valley, and the nearest house was about 1 mile away.
There's going to be a point where someone applies to open a course for electric only mx bikes.
I'll have my popcorn out to see what they come up with to block that one.
Dust is #2. ebikes don't carry the same animosity as gas bikes. Non-dirtbike people look at them like they're bicycles. "Oh, that's neat. It's really quiet!"
The only people who hate electric motorcycles are keyboard riders on the internet. And this video is finding them all 🤣
This is the future, my ktm 450 sxf will be long gone and I'll be old man riding one of these
It is. And the 450SX versions aren't very far behind. I'll tell you right now... you don't have to worry about them being less fun, because they are twice as much fun for the most part. Unless you primarily ride fast moto tracks.
Marvin Musquin was riding one the other day and Max Vohland rides his all the time. That's basically the current and future lineup from KTM. Seems to be fun enough and good practice for them 🤷♂️ Ryan Hughes rode mine and thought it was "Badass."
Sweet video! I'm sure I'll have an e-bike in my garage in the near future.
Can’t wait to have mine, great bike 👍🏻
Super fun.
Hey again John! I know it's been 4 years since you posted this but what are the risers you have upgraded to here? I think that'll be my next upgrade. Thanks!
It’s Trail Tech riser. I haven’t used risers since about this time, but those are the ones that were on there. I only have risers on one of my bikes now (450) and they are just factory tall I think.
@@JohnHowerton137 Thanks buddy!
@@joepyleproductions welcome. I'll try to help whenever/whatever I can 🤙
Cool and nice price at $12,000 with the extra power packs seems well worth it. 👍
Only comes with one Power Pack. I would love to have a second one, but honestly, don't need it. I'm just lazy 🤣 Probably part of the reason I bought and ebike. Haha!
Thats why all my bikes have multiple air filters too.
Thanks for sharing your initial impressions. That is an awesome track you designed with trick corner markers and log jump. Have you found a way to adjust the brake bias between front and rear? Or is adding a foot brake easier? Ride on!
I'll probably have a full 1st review next week. I want to give my impressions on the stock bikes capabilities before I pimp it out. Seems more honest/fair to people who wont pimp it out.
The brakes are just normal brakes. The rear is just on the left hand. Squeeze them as needed 😋
Brake pedal isn't easy, but I will be doing a video on that in the nearish future.
You’re flying on that thing! I would definitely consider one. As much as I love the sound of a two stroke, i think there is a lot of potential being quiet. It could open a lot more doors for riding areas. Especially in more urban environments . As it is right now though, I’d have to sell my gas toys to afford one. I’m just not really ready to make the change yet.
Can’t wait to get it set up. It’s going to be so fast! Almost the same fast lap times as my 250SX on the big MX track, but I was riding the Freeride AFTER it started raining and the track was all muddy!
John Howerton Well keep us posted. I love all the content on the electric bike.
Tape on the frame is grip tape used for gripping too with your legs NOT to protect the frame.
It couldn't possibly serve two purposes 😉
Hey mate, do you know what the chain type is on this bike? I cannot figure out. The length of the link is exactly as is on 520, also the width of the roller. However this chain is much thinner than normal 520. Basically I want to get new chain with o rings and make it one link shorter to suit my desired gearing. I do not want to deatroy my old chain as I will use it with orifinal enduro wheels / gearing.
Normal 520 standard (no-oring chain). O-ring chains are always much fatter and they do suck some power. They can also rub cases up at the countershaft sometimes. The masterlinks are also a pain in the ass. I'm not anti-O-ring chain by any means, I'm actually pro o-ring chain, but if I was you in this situation I would just run a real high-quality standard for ease of things.
If you wanted to convert to O-ring, I would probably convert it to a 428, haven't looked into the countershaft options for 428, but the rear sprocket would be real easy because they're 85SX hubs.
@@JohnHowerton137 Thank you mate, I washed dishes and your reply was there. I will buy a standard 520 without o rings, I already have to offset the wheel due to bigger 150 tire I put in.. I watch all your videos, because you ride e-xc. Check out my lates freeride video were we took our hikes in -6 celcius! Though I rode in -10c too. Did you know that charger blocks charging when you try to charge in -5c or bellow? ;D
@@Roadified Was stealthing around on my Freeride or this would have been faster too 🤣 got to swap those knobs back on with a couple studs for those icey rides.
I didn't know that. Only about 80-100d warmer than that when I charge mine 🤣😋
Nice, might have to see about one of them. What video editing software is that, it was really nice!
Thank you. Crappy cameras with iMovie on my iPad 🤣
Looks like a fun ride except all the fun of modifying an engine is now gone. I mean what can you do to dial it in aside from the Map presets? Is there an ecu tuning protocol?
Jered Almeida not yet. FI killed most the fun anyway.
If you look at the KTM 50, it has 6 maps and the same interface, so in the future i'm sure there will be some kind if piggyback device and you could make it do whatever on your phone or computer.
Honestly though, the two maps are like two different bikes. I have no desire to tune it really. Chassis is where real tuning is done anyway and the stock setup leaves quite a bit to be pursued if you ride it like I want to 🤣
Hi John, how long does your battery last for if you ride your Freeride E-XC bike continuously in Map 3? ie flat out in Map 3... Best Michael in the UK.
michael day don't know and unlikely to ever test that. I suspect it's only 30, maybe 40 mins tops. This is an alley riding bike and not a highway bike.
People may think that's bad and bash on it, but it's all relative. If you took a YZ85 (similar speed and HP) and held it wide open down the road like that, not only would the fuel time be the same, but the engine would blow up. You could rip town like mad man on a YZ85 with supermoto tires though.
The late model bike's batteries are sufficient for what they are designed for. In on/off throttle situations, the battery life is good because there is basically no engine braking when not twisting the throttle... the bike is coasting and only really using accessory power. According to Strava, my friend and I were riding for 2 hours on Tuesday and used exactly 50% battery. Total ride was about 3.5 hours with the stops.
Dam they coming up with all kind of electric power now
From the video it appeared you got 21 miles out of a 90% charge, correct? Has the range improved? What’s the max range you can get in the highest power setting? What does the replacement battery cost? That’s what makes me nervous about buying one. I don’t want a $3,000-$5,000 battery replacement to deal with in 3 or 5 years down the road depending on use. Did you have to install a 220 volt receptacle in your shop or garage? How long does it take to charge up? What are the other downsides you’ve noticed compared to a normal gas bike?
There's going to be an entire charge video at some point.
Range improved with the 2018 battery upgrade.
I almost never ride it in the highest power setting. No need usually. Too many factors to determine a max range/time. Just like if you gave Cooper Webb and some beginner both a 450SX. Cooper drains the tank in 45mins, the beginner takes 2.5hrs. I get about 18 miles 1:15 , my friend got 27.5 and 2h32 today. 100% varies on how and what you ride. Rides with short bursts of power favor run time. You can backyard ride one of these until your arms fall off and barely make a dent in the battery. Wide open down the street and you'll be disappointed.
Battery is like 3K. I [think] it might have 3 year warranty. It will last longer than the chassis. After 700 cycles (875 hrs for me) they still retain 80% life.
I use my dryer plug or charge at friends houses usually. Most of us are solar power, so it's free during the day. Charges from dead in like 1h45 on high. Ate lunch and it was done.
Downsides = 2.
I can't take my favorite bike for 35 mile rides. Forced to ride a gas bike.
It sucks for anything that requires over about 45mph. It's not designed for it, so shouldn't expect it.
John Howerton thanks for the info, good to read that the long term battery life will last longer than what I was thinking. Have you ridden in colder temps? I’ve got an electric Onewheel skateboard and an ebike and noticed they lose range when it gets down to 30°F and colder. Last fall I wasn’t sure if I was going to make it to work on my Onewheel as the battery went way quicker on the same commute I did dozens of times over last summer. I can see a time where e-dirt bikes could get way more popular as the battery technology advances. The ranges you are experiencing would only work part of the time for me unfortunately. I can’t help but wonder if they offered a manual trans with it if that wouldn’t increase battery life? The RC cars most of us had as kids had a high/low range, even my DeWalt drill has three ranges.
Did you mean 11:15 in your video? The ODO showed 21 miles at 1.4 hrs which works out to an average speed of just under 15 mph. Your buddy’s ride was an average speed of under 12 mph. I need to do some recording of my dirt bike rides to see how that compares because it’s sounding awfully slow, but I’ve never tried to calculate my average speed on a dirt bike when play/trail riding so it might not be far off either. Snowmachining is totally different for our trails and conditions and I know my normal rides involve much higher average speeds. This will be fun and interesting for me to document. Right now I’ve got my heart set on a YZ250X for next summer and I’ll pass my present YZ 250 down to my son. There are a ton of places the KTM would be super fun but for $11,000. ( I think the charger is extra, WTF?) I could buy a TW 200 along with the 250X and only be $1,200 more at MSRP on both. I’m subscribed, keep up the great work! I’ve got more of the. To watch tonight 👍.
Yes, the avg is slow when just play riding. The timer is running any time in the front wheel is moving. If you were racing motos and pulling off the avg speed would be double that.
There is some decreased life when cold and I believe the system has a build in battery warmup feature. Keep in mind these are made and tested in the cold part of Europe and quite popular there too. Won't be making any videos about that here in Hawaii, sorry 🤷♂️😆
Appreciate you watching 🤙
John Howerton Oh wow, I didn’t realize you were In Hawaii! You’ll definitely be warmer than my normal temps for sure. I’m really curious about what my average dirt bike speeds are now as we don’t have the best trails or conditions. My summer riding is definitely slower than winter rides. In another video a different owner mentioned the power didn’t hit very hard initially, they said it came on smooth and had a bit of a lag so it was different and a bit harder to pop the front end up over things since it also doesn’t have a clutch. Have you noticed this as well?
@@thatalaskaguy They weren't in Mode 3 then. It's full 300XC-W torque right from crack of the throttle. Electric Ditch Witch! The weight is forward, so it doesn't lift uncontrolled like a gas bike, but if someone can't lift the front in Mode 3 they have no clue how to ride. I barely use 3. It is different, but that's because the rider has been using the clutch to mask poor riding.
Mode 2: ruclips.net/video/2JXtPJ8ciBQ/видео.html
Mode 3: ruclips.net/video/GNSX0-25tEI/видео.html
How is the throttle control? Do you find that it will "lug" up a section without trying to spin the back tire?
That all depends on your throttle hand. Mode 1 wont spin anything. Mode 2 (enduro mode) is probably the sweet spot for having enough power but not breaking the tire loose. The throttle is different at first, but after about 10 hours of riding you get a handle on how the electric power works.
Our local race track was closed because of noise complaints. There is definitely a future for these.
Ian Hamilton only battle now is dust which is easy to control. Literally nobody cares about the sound of these. Even WIDE OPEN it disappears 150ft away 🥰
@@JohnHowerton137 even people with small acreage properties surrounded by neighbor's are going to live our their dirtbike fantasies.Tempted to find investment opportunities!
Ian Hamilton you mean this 100 x 30 lot? 🤣 ruclips.net/video/RhaYLe2q_4w/видео.html
Hi again, do you know if there is swingarm guards for this bike? I am looking to buy but can't find.
I never truly found any (Polisport, Acerbis etc..), but I haven't looked for a while. I have seen some on euro bikes a few times, but don't recall if I every found them or maybe I was too cheap 🤣
85cc ones would likely fit if you can find some of those.
These were the ones I found: www.hyderacing.net/index.php?_route_=ktm-250-freeride-2-stroke/HP-SAP-122
I was too cheap and they were a little too ugly 🤣 That said, if I was dragging through rocks nonstop, I’d probably still get them.
Thats the only.ones i saw too, I would pay double price since danish tax is insane.
You probably need them more than i do, seen how you dropped your bike on rocks many times. i need them more for looks and less for actual protection ;D
Haha. They literally call this island “The Rock.’’ The chit is 10x as brutal as it looks. Everything is sharp as glass and cheese graters. Most of it is what the Hawaiian’s call, “A’a” (ahh-ahh). Probably named because of the sounds they made walking over it 🤣
@@JohnHowerton137 haha, lol, makes sense. I think it is volcanic rock?
Never purchased a dirt bike before.. All my friends are pressuring me to do so lol.. Have a mountain bike, but would you recommend this bike as the first dirt bike purchase I make ? To learn on, and get the hang of it, get my seat time up..?!
Yes, and maybe the only one... depending on how far they try and take you. If you have a smaller area, like maybe up to 100 acres that has trails weaving through it, this is pretty perfect. If they're going to take you out in the middle of nowhere with fire roads as access... it won't do it range wise. You're capped about 25 miles. It doesn't take very long to burn 10 miles or more of those on access roads. Chances are, your buddies on gas bikes are flying (everyone does)... so you're holding it wide-open and not conserving battery.
Totally natural jump for you though. The weight will be weird to handle for a few weeks, then you'll melt right into it because it flows more like a MTB than it does a motorcycle. One of the benefits of no clutch (like pedaling), is you learn to carry momentum instead of ricocheting off everything because you can bang on a clutch.
The SurRon would be an even better entry point for you for starters, but no matter how many people try and BS you into thinking that it's superior to this Freeride, it's just not true. That's like someone telling you they put beefy suspension on their XC bike and now it's better than your DH bike. It's just not reality.
The SurRon is a good machine and can grow with you, but by the time you do all the upgrades to get it to similar specs it ends up being the same money. The Freeride is actually a motorcycle. KTM has made 3 other gas versions of this too.
You can probably ride a lot of the mountain bike places on both of these bikes. Which would be pretty cool because then you can ride without your gas bike friends too and convert you to the dark side 😈😆
John Howerton Wow !!! Amazing info and advice ! Really appreciate you sharing and taking the time. Gonna continue to do my research and will update you if I get one ! Thanks !!!
The Topshelf Company 👍 I obviously have a crapload of other videos on it that you can watch too. Any questions just drop a comment 🤙
Needs a cardboard clicker against the spokes like we used to do when we were kids on our bicycles.
Joker playing card 😋
Man that looks like so much fun! Hey for your rear tire I highly recommend you trying out the Tusk Recon hybrid gummy tire! You get it from rocky mountain mc and it’s only $59. I do a lot of this fun enduro still riding and I run tubeless set up and it’s the best tire I’ve used so far and the cheapest
TravNasty520 I forgot about that option 👍 Maybe I’ll give it a shot. Wouldn’t really consider it on my other bikes, but I think sticky works good on this bike.
I like the bike its cool, but the only issue is battery life. Up where i live theres so many animals like bears, mountain lions and other stuff crossing trails. Rather have something loud so they know im coming
Battery isn't really an issue if you ride it the way/where it was intended. If you have a couple miles area, it's fine. Exploring the unknown and gravel roads into nowhere, it's limited. Animals, that's your call. Maybe you could use it for hunting 😋
really considering something like this for my 1.5ac space out back since my neighbors are buttholes. will you be doing a trail ride distance test as well? 21mi on a track is one thing, but trail riding is different in the sense that you are not so "on/off" the throttle. Curious to see if you can go farther on a trail ride.
25 is about max range from what I can tell. This think is perfect for like 200 acres. 1.5 it's about the only thing, and it's amazeballs for that. Watch my backyard and double jump videos. My friend has 2a and he used about 1/8 of it for ebike fun 😋
John great videos and awesome footage. Can I ask if you can do a comparison video for a gas bike versus the Freeride in terms of what maintenance is needed. It would be interesting to see what maintenance is needed for the Freeride vs a normal equivalent dirtbike as Im sure the freeride is not maintenance free? Thanks
That would be a boring video. The Freeride you lube the chain (optional LOL) and charge it 🤣 That’s it. Oh, you should wash it too.
Expect to wear out a lot more tires, because you’ll be riding a lot more since you can ride basically anywhere and it’s not a pain in the ass to prepare/clean air filters, change oil, filling gas cans.
There is a 6.74oz gear oil change at 50 hours. The chassis will probably be worn out before you use a whole $8 quart. The battery will still maintain 80% charge at 875hrs (700 cycles @ 1h15) if the chassis or you last that long 🤣🤷🏼♂️
If you ever feel bad about not working on it all the time... I suppose you could service the suspension fluids more often and grease the pivot points/wheels. Most people grossly neglect these areas anyway which are arguably more important than the engine for riding fast.
John Howerton thanks John I reckon that in itself sells me on the freeride. I'll definitely be looking to get one. I guess brakes are another thing eventually that will need replacement and the coolant but nothing like a normal dirt bike. Thanks for the info. I love your videos great job
Any normal wear parts will be the same. Chains, sprockets, brakes, tires... but outside of that, nothing.
I’ll tell you right now... I don’t miss filters, oils changes, or fuel one bit. I welcome the future where the battery takes us to infinity and beyond 😋
Thing looks great. Seriously thinking about getting this or an Alta.
Wait until you see the next couple videos✊ 😉⚡️
I kinda want one. No valve drops or ring changes I would assume you gotta change battery’s and that can’t be cheap but for the most part start and ride. Until your battery dies 10 mins into the ride
Jon the lamb battery will probably outlast the chassis.
KTM says after 700 cycles, it still retains 80%. Think about that. That’s like 875 hours of riding! And it’s still 80%! And I believe the battery might even have a 3 year warranty.
The battery is $3,600 rumored. How many $1,000 top ends do you replace in 875 hours on a bike that’s ridden hard? Has to be at least 2 major rebuilds in a high performance small more bike of similar-ish power (250F) and probably another simple piston change or two. No fuel costs (like $1 to charge), basically no oil and filter changes, no air filter maintenance......
Stuff all starts looking pretty good real quick 🤣 And it’s got power!
Do you have any idea of any improvements that are going to make it on the 2021?
Doubtful any, but I don’t know for sure. My basis for this thought is; No significant chassis changes in any of the 4 Freeride models that have been released since 2013. They bike sits in it’s own little niche comfortably. The suspension is already the latest XPLOR stuff from WP. This motor is going to be used in other KTM models like a scooter. Development is done and there is no need for any more performance for a bike in this category. I don’t know of any advances in battery technology that would be implemented (last update 2018). Global Economy isn’t in the best shape.
I suspect it will be a few years yet when the market gets a little more competitive, before KTM makes a move... and that will be a race bike. This model will probably remain close to the same.
2021 got some updated brakes.. because the 85SX got new ones. Production streamlining. That's it. Even the graphics are the same otherwise.
I ll keep reviving my 1993 2t...sound of electric bikes is just annoying
Your loss. They sound like a space ship in person. Kind of like that shitty “Enhanced Audio” on the 2-strokes last year at Straight Rhythm. If that’s what 2-strokes sounded like, I’d never want to hear one again. Luckily I have 1,000s of hours on/around 2-stokes. ruclips.net/video/sqgcwHdvojM/видео.html
You on the other hand probably have zero minutes on an electric.
John Howerton a space ship that sounds like it’s about to fall apart. Bikes super annoying to listen to, the guy has a point. Your loss wasting money on it.
dukedude220 and I'd "waste" it again.
John Howerton This bike is Nice and i have No problem with it. I dosnt sound annoying in my opinion
Djnation it's only annoying if you're insecure and have an ego that requires you to say things to make you sound more manly. 50,000 people seemed to think its pretty cool so far. The dealer I bought it from sold out yesterday. Somebody wants them. The five people I let ride it so far all want one. One of them already bought one. Not one person offline out of about 50 who've seen me ride it had even one bad thing to say about it. The most common response "That thing is f-ing cool."
Keep watching, I plan on showing it do some cool stuff. I'd even like to race the Hawaiian Supercross race on it, if it gets rescheduled.
looks like your from my neck of the woods I saw you testing i think the 2nd time out with the bike. I would say any negative comments are just envy. I want one!
I believe you’re correct. That and afraid of the new and unknown.
I’ve since gotten it dialed in and figured out. The bike exceeds the expectations I had for it. The crap I was in today NOBODY rides and very few even could.
Hey John -- Question on charging. Have you or do you know anyone who has charged the Freeride with a gas/propane portable generator on location? I want to start riding at different locations away from home and don't want to spend the money on another battery right now esp. for 4 - 6 hour riding days. I don't want to do anything stupid and kill the battery over something I'm not sure about doing. Any thoughts? Still love my E-XC!!
If you haven't found it yet:
Generator Charging the KTM Freeride E-XC ruclips.net/video/g_Hg50EhQQs/видео.html
Have fun 😋
@@JohnHowerton137 Awesome!!! No, didn't know you had this video. Very informative. I did figure out today that if the generator is a 30 amp output, I would need a 4-prong L14-30P male input followed by the adapter to a L6-20R. This enables me to connect my L6-20P male in. At the house I had a garage receptacle (50 amp) to charge a Tesla owned by the previous house owner. Real nice because once I put in a L6-20R receptacle, it allowed me to pull the bike right into the garage and start charging without pulling the battery and hooking up to my dryer outlet which I see others doing. I did pull my battery today not because of charging but our temps are going down to 12 - 18 degrees F. So I thought to put my battery in the house and take to bed with me. KTM batteries are a work of art and I didn't have the heart to leave it on the floor ;-).
@@stevemisiaszek1524 mine gets charged off the dryer 9x out of 10. Just have to remember to do the accessory battery too... that little guy actually drains pretty quickly.
I have a whole boatload worth of Freeride stuff. Over 60 videos. Scroll through my video list. You’ll find all kinds of stuff in there 👍
I can see myself being a lot more ballsy on this 😓
She could get you in trouble real fast 🤣 It's going 40 when you think it's doing 15.
wow awesome and i see was all in map 2 so map 3 must be fast :-)
It’s really all you need most of the time. With good traction Map 3 is really fun, but this soil is really light and silty. Lots of flat rock patches and diagonal shallow tree roots, and once the grass starts coming off and dries up, the surface starts to push. Think of a bed sheet on top a tile floor. You don’t see ANY of that in the video. Look how many trees fall because of the light soil. Map 3 will just explode a silt berm and actually push through/over it fairly easily. Tons of torque instantly. It’s like the clutch drop the magazines do deep into the back of a berm for the cover photo... Not the fast way through 🤣
Make sure you watch tomorrow’s vid. You’ll see how much power Map 3 puts down ⚡️✊
what kind of range/ride time do these have? Would be great on the ranch could move cows without the noise of an engine scaring them to death.
Cow's give zero fcks about these things. I was riding about 8 feet from them last night. The younger ones might have even liked it 🤣 If you were moving cows with it, probably 20-25 miles 2hrs maybe. Ripping it, about 18 miles 1h15. It's highly variable. You're times wont be worse than that.
Id love to have one of these to play around on looks like alot of fun
Crazy fun. Most fun I've ever had on a bike. I opens a whole new motorcycle world of sensory input.
I have the same machine. Here in Austria they are available for 1-2 years now.
I imagine in Austria they have been around since 2013.
i'm impressed, i guess i just watched the future
They’re already pretty good and they’re only going to get better. More range is the final frontier before they take over.
I’m bout to check out your channel and see if you have a highway battery test, I mean I know it’s not meant for highway but more of a question of constant speed/battery life
I dont. Pinned wide open I'd prob expect 40mins. I can get 50mins of motocross and thats pretty high demand. Just a guess. Long sustained is the weak link if there is one. Plenty of followers ride them on the road, so maybe someone will reply with a better answer.
John Howerton bro wow glad I subscribed I seriously didn’t expect such a fast response! 👍 awesome man thanks. Great video
Reminds of riding my downhill bike for days or weeks and then hoping on my moto and accidentally grabbing too much front brake. I see the positive of the rear brake on the bar but a big transition after all the years of riding. Also seem to me that a hub mounted motor would be the way to go. Get the batteries lower and more weight on the rear tire.
Benjamin Davidson 🤣
Puts a lot of weight in the wheels and more exposure. I'm sure it would be good in some applications though. Drag racing maybe.
This is cool as hell nice riding too I know I'd wreck myself on this bike like with my 2 stroke I kinda feel more In control even by the sound but I am definitely going to miss petrol when it becomes electric bikes only (not hating btw)
Petrol will be raced closed course as novelty for a long time from now. There are still many applications like endurance racing where it will take electric a long time to conquer unless they change the rules or battery tech has a big breakthrough. We’ll all miss petrol, but at the same time we won’t. Just like it’s cool to see an old rotary phone or watch a VHS tape sometimes, but the reality is, we don’t really want to use those things everyday anymore... because they kind of suck 🤣
Electric dirtbikes are still in 1997 Prius mode. They don’t suck, but they aren’t Teslas yet.
@@JohnHowerton137 haha Brilliant cheered for replying m8 appreciate you
How hard would it be to hotswap batteries if you wanted to get an extra for more ride time? It'd be great if it's as easy as filling a tank of gas.
About 90sec with a T-Handle. Less with a rattle gun. 4x 10mm studs that are easy to line up.
Faster than regular gas can.
Can you go into detail what this is like between a 125 2-stroke? Lighter weight? Something like a thicc mountain bike with torque?
I’ve been asked this a ton, so I’ll try to get a detailed video explaining it this week. Totally different.
It's a MONSTER
Good Stuff Thanks I'm watching Ya! Mike
Great video John. I want one...😁
Elbows up! Ride that thing like you mean it!! :P
That bar riser was too high for elbows up. And my screwed up left hand prefers the elbow down 🤣
that's a pretty tall bar riser ... are the bars stock or did you change those too?
It's not on the bike anymore. Just didn't have time to take it off before leaving to ride and make the video that day. The stock triple clamp has a 3-5mm rise and the standard mounts sit on top of that. It's not super low. All I really wanted was about 5mm, but only had that 25mm in my box. Prob just leave it stock and if the bars bend put a Renthal 997 on it.
Gives a whole new meaning to "whiskey throttle"
Name yours "White Lightning" or something 🤷♂️
Personally, I don't like the "look" of this bike....but as you have said, that's purely subjective and my opinion only.
I am keeping a keen eye on electric motorbikes though, because if the battery technology is improved so you can get a day's riding off a single charge, I might swoop on one.
What is the weight capacity on this particular one?
Don't think it has a weight limit, but I've seen it pull around a 260lb guy no problem. Suspension is soft if you weigh over about 140lbs. I just had a suspension job for motocross.
Sorry I missed this. Haven't see a capacity, but my friend is 200lbs and loves his. The torque will easily pull anyone around. Stiffer springs are pretty easily purchased. Slaven's has them in stock. My suspension video is coming soon (not medically cleared to ride yet), but by 200lb buddy ended up with my 52 front and 69 rear springs after the suspension job and loves it. We ride motocross-esque stuff mostly which requires beefier setup/valving.
This is awesome, can't wait for battery technology to get better.
It is, and it will 👍
Cool bike thx for sharing
First Review 2020 Electric KTM Freeride E-XC: ruclips.net/video/GNSX0-25tEI/видео.html
Entire 2020 KTM Freeride E-XC playlist: ruclips.net/p/PLnlzppyagzePgm27hLH6ZH5PTY37ZYcCN
Does it have the power to get the front wheel up when needed?
If you ride it like a sack of poop over the middle of the seat, not really. That’s not because of lack of power, it’s the weight distribution. If you have weight over the back... no problem especially in Mode 3. Watch a bunch of my other videos. I have it holeshotting 450s, pulling wheel for 100ft under power. Produces same torque numbers as a wide open 300. If you ride in places that never need more than 3rd gear, it rips.
John Howerton Cool... I’ll check out your vids.
do you have a registration on the bike? and do you just go on the streets without it being legal
Not yet. COVID is holding up the process. I added it to my Geico account though. Just riding it on the street like I would before an oil change on my smoker. Not commuting to the store or anything yet.
I want one!!
Only thing that suck is you can't just put more gas in it and keep riding. Maybe switch out the battery every 1.4 hours but how much do those cost? But then again you only have to buy the batteries once? So that's pretty neat
It's just like anything, it's conditioning. Most people have to wait for a lunch break and not just eat whenever they feel like it (adding gas). You'll learn not to starve. Same thing with the battery. It's just planning.
The battery life also depends on how you ride it. I've ridden 2hrs and had 50% left on trail rides, and as short as 50min riding moto. If you have slow, tight trails it's not unreasonable to expect it to last 3 hours or more. Followers have told me as much. If you have roads between those trails... the life will cut way down. It's just learning the intricacies of the bike.
Hand's down it's my favorite bike I've owned. I don't enjoy riding gas bikes nearly as much as I used to. Especially when I have to clean a filter, fill/pump fuel and change oil. So over that stuff. You don't have to pay for that crap anymore either. For most people a ride costs like $0.40 on this thing (electricity). Mine charges off the house's solar, so even better.
if you could like compare its power to a normal dirt bike would it be like a 125, 200, 250 maybe??
All of them.
Map 1 CRF 100,
Map 2 enduro 250F or KDX 200
Map 3 strong MX bike that tops out at 50mph.
It’s hard to draw comparisons because the power is totally different. But it’s something like above.
If you put a link to purchase with some sort of code I Guarantee you would be about the only video with the link in the description to purchase
Ive had about 10 people contact me and say they bought one because of me. That = 10% of the sales for this bike nationwide. And those are the ones I know of. Are you listening KTM? 🤣
Going to follow your channel but... Can you speak to how the power degrades when the battery gets close to being drained? That was a huge concern for me.
It doesn’t until you hit the red flashing mode on the indicator. When it flashes red (0-10%) is when you’ll notice it... and you better get headed back to wherever you came from, because there is no neutral when pushing it 🤣 It’s like pushing a bike with a Rekluse clutch while in gear.
Solid Red, which is 20% remaining, still goes good. You can see in some of my riding clips, she’s still rippin’ in the red ✊If it’s degraded, I haven’t noticed it. Maybe... when I was riding mud uphills, but that definitely could have been the huge amount of mud & grass buildup in the drivetrain, on the bike and my soaking wet gear.
do you have to run it dead every time? i'd hate to have to run my tank out of gas before fueling.
Nope. I believe it’s every 20 charges you should run it dead? Manual says. I forgot because I run it dead about every 3 times. Basically any time I travel anywhere to ride it I run it to code. Riding in the hood it uses maybe 10% each ride and I resume the next day etc.. Charge it full before the full Sunday ride just like you would with gas.
It lasts a long time if you’re just dicking around home (3-4 hours) unless you have a big track at the house. Battery life isn’t at all a problem whatsoever when play riding.
what camera did you use for riding
I believe this time it was a Rylo. I bounce around with 3, but the stability looks like Rylo.
Hey where are you from? USA?
I know a Milford howerton , not really a common name.. but cool video you seem knowledgeable, thanks man
My family all settled in the Pacific Northwest (WA) hundreds of years ago, but I think most of the Howertons are in the midwest.
Great vid but i think i missed the "battery" part. What about the battery?
What do you want to know specifically?
@@JohnHowerton137 the range etc... Any upgrades with battery this year? Is range enough to ride trails?
Same battery since the 2018 3.88kwh update.
Trail riding should be in the 25 miles sort of range. If you’re riding solo, it’s plenty enough and fun. If your buddies have 3gal gas bikes and you’re in a open area like a national forest, you’ll probably be disappointed. It’s not for that. None of the Freeride line is.
Were can I buy this bike
Ivan Melons a handful of these dealers may still have one
3 Bros KTM in Costa Mesa, CA
Solid Performance KTM in Downingtown, PA.
KTM of North Texas in Arlington, TX
CJ KTM of Murrieta in Murrieta, CA.
Edelman’s KTM in Troy, NY.
KTM of Roseville in Roseville, CA.
Larsons Cycle in Cambridge, MN.
Adventure Powersports KTM in McKinney, TX
Malcolm Smith Motorsports in Riverside, CA.
Elite Motorsports KTM in Loveland, CO.
How fn cool at any given time or day dosent matter weather or altitude this thing is ready to rip with no motor breakdowns. How do i get 1 how much i was on ktm website i couldent find it I remember few years ago they have so many differnt electric ones in we need all thoose versions
Basically 😋
They are about $11k. MRP + Shipping. KTM only make 2 models. This one (Freeride E-XC) and the SX-E 5 for kids. Thee are only 11 dealers in the country. Most are probably out by now.
3 Bros KTM in Costa Mesa, CA
Moto City KTM in Avondale, AZ.
Solid Performance KTM in Downingtown, PA.
KTM of North Texas in Arlington, TX
CJ KTM of Murrieta in Murrieta, CA.
Edelman’s KTM in Troy, NY.
KTM of Roseville in Roseville, CA.
Larsons Cycle in Cambridge, MN.
Adventure Powersports KTM in McKinney, TX
Malcolm Smith Motorsports in Riverside, CA.
Elite Motorsports KTM in Loveland, CO.
How much are they in Australia? Police would never be a problem again lol u could ride them at a bmx track and cops would have no idea
J D not sure. You guys usually get a little more screwed than us and I'm not 100% sure if they are in OZ anyway. I'd do the research for you, but I'm not at my computer.
So why is the rear tire an on/off tire? Why not the big dirt knobs.? This isn't the motocross bike?
Trainer bike? $10k for a trainer bike?
rkw junior it’s actually a hybrid trials tire that was designed specifically for the bike. It’s also DOT. The bikes are street legal everywhere except the USA. It’s a great tire for what the bike was designed for. Too soft for what I use it for most of the time.
The bike is kind of in a class of it’s own. The Freeride line closes the gap between using a trials bike in gnarly trails and a traditional trail bike like say a 200EXC. Focus being on light weight and slightly smaller chassis (2” lower seat & wheelbase). The motors (gas too) are tuned like trials bike for user friendly power. Single track monster!
KTM has made 4 versions of the bike 250 2T, 250F, 350F and Electric. In the electric they did also make a SX version for a few years. The Freeride line is pretty popular in smaller Europe, but in America we like everything bigger, so not that many (in any version) have been imported. I’d say the chassis is close to the size of the popular 230cc trail bikes from the Japanese.
rkw junior battery tech is still expensive. $3k of the price is battery. Keep in mind there is basically no maint costs or associated time (outside of wear items) and energy costs to ride are practically nothing. A days worth of riding is like $0.40. No more air filters!!! 😍 KTM says after 700 cycles (875 hrs at my avg), the battery still retains 80% of it’s capacity.
The only downside to electric motorcycles and dirt bikes is the range (or ride time) and charge time. I have been thinking about getting the dual sport bike from Zero Motorcycles, but I just don't know if it would have the battery life to through the trails like a normal dual sport will. Maybe one day.
They dont. But if you have a spot that you ride regularly, they are sick. Their just not great for wandering around.
i wish i had one but they are so expensive, do u know any other electric bikes that are good and a great seat height?
They’re all going to be expensive. That’s just what bikes cost these days. I don’t love it either, but it is what it is.
If you look back a couple videos in my feed the Electric Motion “Escape is a great machine. Not any cheaper, but it is much lighter. I’d have one of those, but when I found out there was a KTM importing again, I wanted the dirtbike inspired chassis over the trials inspired chassis. If I don’t go broke from COVID-19 killing the economy, I’ll probably get an Electric Motion Trials bike.
You could look into the SurRon if you just want a ebike to rip the woods. They seem like decent machines with a big following and lots of hop-up parts.
Sur Ron is the best option, great build quality for the price of 3500 and it’s even almost as good as this one
Shahzeb Noorani not it's not, but it's definitely a good value and a decent machine.
It's still a novelty at this point..the technology isn't there yet for this to compete with any fuel burning bike..Lyndon Poskitt ran an Alta at Erzburg in 2018 and it failed miserably...
My Enduro Challenge everyone fails miserably at Erzberg 🤣 That’s where KTM tested this bike during development.
@@JohnHowerton137 I'm not downing the technology I think it's great I use all kinds of battery powered devices..i welcome more advancement..the truth is these bikes aren't ready yet..it is possible..but the cost involved doesnt make sense
My Enduro Challenge racing at the highest level... I agree. They’re probably 2-3 years away yet if the R&D is there. For a good chunk of general public who ride dirtbikes, they’re there if you understand the range limitation.
How tall are you mate trying judge size of the bike cus I want to get one .
6' (182cm) fits fine. They really aren't that much smaller than a big bike. Maybe 10%
Just picked up 2 of these beasts, and i love them!
Congrats! And, you just doubled your range. Haha 😆
“I dOnT liKe the SoUnd” get over it it’s obviously not gonna sound like any 2 stroke
It’s actually kind of fun to listen to. Outside of RUclips nobody has disliked the way it sounds. Most the time they don’t even hear it, its the microphone picking up crap the ear doesn’t.
EVERY DAY my neighbor says, “I just can’t get over how quiet that thing is.” My other neighbor two hours ago said, “It’s kinda cool how you just hear the chain and stuff.” It’s mostly just tire hum and chain noises going down the road.
have you heard of a sound board
4 strokes sound better
Praveen Sampath 4 strokes are way better sounding than two strokes
Chris Hansen wrong
So show us video after charging and how much time and mileage you get.
Plan to do a little of that in different conditions. This ride was dry and mostly tight riding. Also 55-60d temps. I showed 21 miles 1:24. My last ride in very slippery, muddy, hilly motocross track felt much shorter.
@@JohnHowerton137 Was that a FULL charge from the factory?
Yes it was. Right from the box. My charge yesterday was 25.5 miles mostly street. Long straights (like street) at max power are what seem to kill it quicker. My little jump video was like 20-30 minutes of bursts and it never even dropped off the top green bar. Slow bursty like trail riding you could ride a long time.
Watch the Ryno video I uploaded today. I put the charge stats at the end. I worked the hell out of that little bike on that track. Blew the alignment out twice, broke a shroud with my knee and ripped the fender tabs off the rear fender. Luckily I took the taillight fender off or it would be gone. Knocked my 250SX out of alignment too. Couldn’t move either of my wrists the next day 🤣
@@JohnHowerton137 Makes sense, physics is physics, Even on my 570 sportsman ride technical trails all day without going under 1/2 tank. , blast on wide open for a couple of hours and can barely get 60 miles out of 5 gallons. (570s are huge fat 700lbs awd pig of a quad lol).
Oh my god this looks fucking amazing
Pretty much is. I have a pile of other videos and plenty more coming.
these would be awesome for stealth riding. Idk why they didn't just do a regular foot rear brake though.
C.T. Wellington even though I like foot brake, I understand why they did it. Its easier for most people learning and its good for trail riding.
Mine will have a foot brake next week.
Why would they make it a handbrake??? 😕
So damn sick tho man I'm jealous. How much is one of these out the door?
Edit: what's with the camera? It was swaying to the left and right I couldn't figure out where you had it placed. I legit checked to see if u were using a 360 camera. I was so confused by this haha 😋
Gopro Chesty with a 360 camera. First time I've ever chest mounted a 360. I didn't love it, but it's the footage I have.
@@JohnHowerton137 oh no worries the footage was good I was just like "how??" 😋
This is made by ? Singer? Seriously, the future of everything is electric, we're just getting started and dirt bikes and supercars are competitive.
How long can you ride n a charge now?
Varies based on throttle. 50 to 100 mins is about what I've had so far.
Skateboard tape so now it can rip your boots and knee brace apart?
Pretty much. It came right back off. As did the handlebar riser.
Damn an hr and a half and you weren’t taking it easy on er..... 👍 nice man
Bruh, I'm so jealous!