Two incredible grappling arts. It's a thing of beauty to see high level judokas or wrestlers compete. The speed, strength and skill are amazing.. Every serious martial artist should take a look at these arts.
As a greco roman wrestler, this is a great video. Just a quick addition, in the suplex, most of the power comes from the legs and hips. In every example that you showed you can see a wrestler explode with his legs and drive his hips forward at the same time as to throw the opponent of balance and lauch him upwards. After that comes the arch of the back. It crucial that you do that work with the legs and hips otherwise it's IMPOSSIBLE to suplex a wrestler where the main strenght comes from the back, its too hard and the opponent will counyer it
Hello Paulius Galkinas: give everyone some data on your thoughts on the similarities between muay thai clinch everything vs greco . I see much what about you ?
@@Chadi sorry I'm a casual💯%. So judo came from jujitsu? So you have submitions, join locks in it? But do you have it too in freestyle and greco roman? Or just body slamming and shooting?
@@HadrienATF so there are subs in judo like in BJJ. But none in olympics freestyle and greco wrestling. I don't get, what's the point of wrestling and grappling if you can't sub?🤔🙄🤷♂️, just slamming to the ground WWE style is that it? I mean even in MMA slamming is the rarest thing happens coz it's very hard to do, take downs and tripping happen all the time but slams are very rare in mma. So wrestling is just the art of taking down to the grown and defense to not get taken down is that it? But once you take your opponent to the ground, as a wrestler you don't know shite💩 about how to sub your opponent? What r u gonna do to them, just dominate them on top of them? Just bully them make them tired? Just lay and pray? What's the point? 🤷♂️. Are slams really that often in olympics freestyle and greco wrestling?
I too wrestled in high school but I've been training for a long time and really love it because of the throws and superfast submissions we use. We train at our Dojo and use all the leg grabs because most of us are older and don't want to miss any of the good old technics. Good stuff
Chadi, you should research Martin "Farmer" Burns the American Wrestling icon. Also you may find it interesting that in the late 1800s & early 1900s in America many boxing champions were cross trained in Wrestling and Judo. The pro-boxing champ Jack Dempsey was also skilled in submission wrestling and Judo. The U.S. president Theodore Roosevelt was a boxer til injury cost him vision in his left eye so he began wrestling and then Judo. He declared Judo to be his favorite fighting art and best for self defense. He converted a room in the White House into a Judo dojo where he forced his generals and body guards to grapple him. In WWII Jack Dempsey was commissioned as an officer in the coast guard to teach fitness & unarmed combat. He taught a Judo based curriculum with some submission catch wrestling & bareknuckle boxing sprinkled within.
I've been learning Judo/ Bjj and MMA, and I love grappling, I love takedowns and throws 🔥♥️ Now that I'm learning some wrestling and greco roman moves, I realize how amazing they are
great work. I grew up wrestling and did judo for a couple years and grappling is grappling and I love it. you could probably do another video between folk-style wrestling and judo techniques that involve the legs.
Great video. I wrestled in various styles and tried my hand at judo and picked it up very quick. The big difference was the set ups which in judo is all in foot positioning. Not attacking the legs is a difficult adjustment.
Literally around two months ago i was looking for a video that is comparing the same throws in judo and wresling and i couldn't find any. So i was really happy that this video showed in my recommendations.
I actually used Ura Nage a lot in Judo, both offensively and as a counter to Koshi guruma. In both instances I always used a bodylock, rather than a belt grip. However, I never hit my head on the mat as I've often seen both wrestlers and Judoka do. I think the difference is that I always hugged the uke very tightly to my chest before lifting him and arching backward, and maintained this hold throughout. Consequently, the uke would always hit the mat first and take the full impact of the throw. PS) I would always arch slightly to one side (left or right). For example if the uke had his left arm around the back of my neck, I would arch to my right and throw him over my right shoulder.
I've wrestled all.my life in freestyle, folk and Greco-Roman. I like Greco-Roman most. It's hips are similar to Muay Thai and work well in MMA. Just started judo with my kids. Love the grips the gi affords. The range and footwork is strange still but I can't wait to get comfortable with it. The gi makes gripping less immediate but more secure. Wish I'd started when I was younger.it would've helped my wrestling a lot
Love the rice bale throw, when Ike thinks he has the basic tackle or two leg take down , sit , roll back , lift them and over they go! I’d rather sprawl but sometimes they catch you off guard! Wow those wrestler use so much energy lifting uki so high as they don’t know the sacrifice, interesting, they are so strong to lift so high li,e that! Appreciate your work on these videos, an old guy like me needs review mentally as well as physical practice
Coming up as a white belt in Brazilian Jiu-jitsu, I received little instruction on the clinch. My coach, who has been wrestling for 20 years, volunteered to work Greco with me after class. An older Purple Belt and freestyle wrestling coach saw us one evening and said, "What is this? Judo without the gi?" 😂 Since that day I saw the similarities. Clinch is now one of my strengths. Good comparison video!
Easily one of my favorite videos Chadi. Thank you. I know it seems like a "muscle" sport, but that is a mind trick...illusion. Greco is all technique. Just like judo. Using your hips to get under their center or using their own force. Even the greco reverse bodylock from par terre. Technique, not strength. (of course on a high level with great stakes, whether it's judo, wrestling or BJJ...you try to enhance all of your attributes) Trying to catch up on all of the wrestling videos. You've done such a great job with these and is exactly the right person to do it. You have the knowledge, experience, as unbias as you can(you are human) and curiosity. The grappling world thanks you.
I can't do a complete Suplex, so the Ura Nage is my go to move, I need that leg lift, and it's more practical in my opinion anyways. I think an interesting throw is the Sukui Nage or Scooping Throw, because it's devastating as all hell if pulled off. I've only competed in four Judo competitions and one Greco Roman Wrestling tournament, but I did not use the move, cus idk it just didn't come up, I'm too used to just going for Harai O' Goshi or Body Drags, but I heard it was banned from Judo, is that true? Understand that I do primarily Jiu Jitsu, but my coaches were wrestlers in highschool who forces their students to refrain from pulling guard. So I'm not like 100% sure about the rules of Judo. I did do a Sukui Nage in the dojo twice, got in trouble tho, so now I'm wondering if it's banned from Judo Competitions, I'd totally understand why it is if it is tho.
Recently discovered your videos, great stuff. Have you considered doing a video on Robin Reed and Ad Santel? Two early 20th century wrestlers who were incredibly dominant, I have a feeling Robin Reed was incredibly ahead of his time with his techniques.
Collegiate wrestling coach, newish fan of you. Want to give you some of the “wrestler names” to these techniques. Not all have consistent names but a few do. 1:26 - two techniques here. Chest wrap is the first one when your over both legs when they attack your legs. Kyle dake had a very famous one at the World Cup a few years ago. The traditional lift from pare terre is a body lock from a “reverse grip” 2:39 - this a really just a high amplitude gut wrench. You can often see this happen when opponents try to defend a takedown by keeping a “quad pod” 5:03 - belly to back suplex. The holy grail of all wrestling. No move is more impressive. 7:48 - Arm throw 8:19 - Arm spin 9:43 - headlock or head and arm throw (just a name difference) Would love to talk about this with you!
@@vybinn1805 In a sporting context, I would say Bjj. If your talking strictly self defense, judo is better than bjj simply because judo teaches you to throw the other person and stay standing yourself. You never want to go to the ground willingly in a self defense situation, as most bjj schools focus on. most self defense situations are actually spend most of the time in clinching range. Guess what judo focusses on 80 percent of the time: Clinching range, but unlike freestyle or greco where they focus on under/overhooks and collar ties, judo teaches you to make use of a person's clothing by way of the gi. Guess what most people will be wearing in a self defense situation: clothing. if the fight does go to the ground, in a self defense situation, Bjj starts doing way to complicated stuff past blue belt. Ask any of the Gracies when they were still challenging people, most fights back then against unpredictable opponents where won with basic stuff: Kimura, straight armlock, guillotine, rear naked, (back) mount. Exactly the stuff they focus on in judo ne waza. Also, if your in security or law enforcement, nothing discourages a would be assailant more than being thrown on his ass. A far better strategy than rolling on the floor with him, especially if there are weapons or multiple assailants involved I think Geoff Thompson said it best: " judo is the martial arts world best kept secret"
I have never trained in Greco. However while training in Catch; there are some Greco moves, throws. What I like in Judo is that you can and are allowed to use your legs. While sparring in Karate, I use a lot of sweeps against my sparring partners. Using your legs allows you to use less strength as their is alot of technique involved. In Greco the technique looks like it involves more strength. I will add that I stopped using Judo Gi many years ago. I'm able to do various throws with out a Gi.
there is still alotta divisiveness even between wrestling styles, some people prefer folk style and insist its the best, in my eyes when it comes to takedowns grappling is grappling where you learn it doesnt really matter
I learned it as just drop seo nagi. And you don't out your leg out like in other judo throws, because your opponent can drop his knee on your leg sometimes and it would tweak your knee pretty badly.
I wrestled in high school (folk style), and the head n arm throw was my shit. Had many success and fails and wins with it. Was never really good at the arm throw.
Novice technique in folkstyke wrestling. In northeast of Ohio if you try a head and arm throw, you get pinned. In higher level greco its a bit more acceptable because its hard to get and not going to cost you the match.
@@shrummedia5059 it was a hit/miss for me. I did get a couple actual hip throws while holding the head&arm. Standing and on the ground. But I was also just stubborn that way.
I do MMA and i do several years Thay boxing,Jiu jitsu .and before i did free style wresling and i love wresling .Free style wresling is very similar to judo ..But still in MMA when am in the clinch whith me oponent lots of time am very strong in this position cose i use wresling then Free style or greco romano trows .is best in clinch but even if u fighting on the ground wresling help u lot of course u have too use jiu jitsu but from wresling u know how to rolling ,pushing ,trowing and turning your oponnent actually lots of our guy what have wresling backround are very good graplers in gym and even good jiu jitsu guys have problems with them . wresling is actually with me experience much better for trowning then jiu ...Jiu is better fighting on the ground,,....So still is very good for everybody who wanna do MMA go to studi some wresling better probably greco romano is awesome in clinch i think supperior in clinch..
Explicit comparisons in Judo Vs Freestyle and Greco-Roman Wrestlings; Greco Roman Wrestling; among the first Olympic-Class Wrestling that primarily intent for Physical Fitness as yet they know as Old-School revitalised Combat Sports that may not be primarily intent for practical combat logisitcs but their strengthening conditions may their weapon over their physique vantage point, Freestyle Wrestling; A revolutionised Olympic-Class Wrestling as a result from their Greco-Roman technical protests, as though among the Wrestling type were allowed the leg attacks to tackle any defensive and offensive supressions and yet it is another Combat-Based Physical Fitness actually made by the Americans as yet prospered into the second approved Olympic-Class Wrestling Judo; Made by Japanese Jujutsu to cope its own Combat Sports decent as a resulted into the moderate Physical Fitness and later a PE Curriculum as until to having credibility for Sports, as though among the First credible Martial Art that become the Olympic Sporting Event
In Folk Style, that gut hoist is pretty common. Its an easy counter to shots on legs because the momentum carries through when the head gets stuffed and the hips are up.
I like the upper body control it helps in MMA far more than freestyle even Chael Sonnen said this, and also better for self defense as an upright posture.
Greco-Roman Wrestling never allowed grabs below the waist since first described by Platon in the Republic as Orthopale (upright wrestling) then reintroduced into popularity in France. The rationale is in fighting melee especially when weapons, armor, and kit are involved it's best to stay upright and slam the foe quickly then get a weapon out to kill them or strangle them. Next time you get a chance to wrestle or grapple get a ruck sack or weighted vest and helmet and spar with them on especially try it with stickgrappling. Also Platon Laws 796a-b.
@@johnny2x459 544b, and Sigma544b. The word translated as wrestle in English is Orthopale in the Greek text. It is expounded upon in his other text one of them the Laws I already cited.
Since having a background in Judo. I would be confident in cross training in Greco or competing. I would be able to adjust. Some fighters hate being thrown. Especially non throwing grapllers. I've been thrown, but kicked. All good. I owe it to my fellow Martial Artist.
Pins in freestyle and greco are instant as soon as both shoulders touch. You can roll through but if you get held at all you are pinned. Folkstyle is a 2 sec pin.
Just discovered your channel thank you for the breakdowns!!! Now Im missing the dojo... we still cant play due to my city's corona problem I hope it would end asap thank you once again for reinvigorating the fire
Crazy how he compares a Wrestling Head and Arm to WWE, far from it. Judo is good Martial Art, but Wrestling is a whole different animal. I competed in both. Many years ago when I was a kid the rules had to be changed because Wrestler’s were being so successful with their double legs. Knowing Greco-Roman Wrestling as kid taking away a double leg didn’t matter, by closing the gap my throws became pretty easy. For those who have not taken Judo or Wrestling, you’re missing out, Judo is an awesome martial art again, but Wrestling is Wrestling. They’re both a must try.
Wrestling arm throw is much closer to Uchi MakiKomi than Ippon Seoi Nage. Wrestlers frequently wrap the arm and not lift with the legs. It's could be similar to the difference between Kubi Nage vs. Koshi Guruma. Thanks Chadi
I don't mean to nitpick, but some of the armthows that you showed in wrestling were actually "arm spins," which is slightly different. In Greco an Armthrow is much more similar to ippon saenagi (or seoi-otoshi as you point out is different). However, an armspin you get your hips all the way to the outside and try to place your opponents arm in an rnc position around your neck (which is obviously bad in judo) and then just perform a shoulder roll. The difference between an armspin and an armthrow in wrestling is very subtle as the difference between saenagi and seoi-otoshi.
, I’ve trained a little bit of Kano JJ 10thpJJ and now I moved to catch. I believe that all techniques are the same if we look at the prespective that controlling a human being is the same. I believe that the differences come because of the mentality of the art form.
I agree with you but I would rephrase that. The Martial Arts teaches you the same concepts. There are only so and so many ways of doing a sound suplex/ura nage. The PERSONAL expression of the art AND the ruleset of the competitive aspect of the art form our way of expressing a specific concept in a specific technique .
Al Lex couldn’t phrase it better. I totally agree with you, the personal expression of a individual is one or if not one of the most important and underrated concepts.
What annoys me with alot of wrestlers and MMA fighters using wrestling, is that they either use the legs or the back for throws. The proper technique is using your hips and displacing your opponents centre of gravity. Almost no effort at all. And totally allowed in Greco Roman.
Can you spot the speed and strength difference between the wrestlers and judo players? Wrestlers don't have the advantage to get a strong grip from a loose collar or sleeve. They have to get strong and fast to be able to grip the other wrestlers arm or torso. Judo is a tough sport but just look at the athleticism of wrestlers. Fast twitch muscle fibres at work.
Judokas should cross-train "greco-roman" wrestling, and vice-versa, but judokas would benefit more in learning to clinch and throw without the grip of the gi, and adapt judo throwing techniques to a more realistic, or at least universal form of wrestling, that is without the gi, and only your opponent's body and limbs to grapple them.
God damn, that throw the Judoka in the Blue Gi landed around timestamp 4:05 looks REALLY dangerous the way he landed on the top of his head on the mat, yikes!! I really hope that the way he finished that throw was not the correct way.
That was a very well done comparison between to great martial arts. It's just that the throws in greco-roman you exhibit, almost never happens. It's clinch-clinch-clinch, then partaire and mabe points for rolling, and that's it. I am sorry to say, but Greco-Roman has become extremely boring. And Freestyle wrestling isn't much better. They just shoot for a single or double leg, like it is the only thing they know.
@@Chadi I guess you're being sarcastic, but look at the last thirty years of olympic wrestling and try to find more than one or two arm throws/Flying mares. In Judo, seio nages happens all the time.
@@Chadi Well, then go for it and best of luck. If there is one thing I have to say about wrestlers, then it is that they are driving a real hard physical fitness on all levels. On an elite level there is of course no big difference, but practically all wrestlers are extremely fit.
Had an argument (and it was an actual argument) with a freestyle wrestler regarding the ability of Judokas to execute the same throws no gi against a freestyle wrestler with their lower position. He stands by the idea that most judoka would get taken down by freestyle wrestlers due to position, I disagreed and responded with "that's a blanket statement and you cant make a hypothetical statement off that because there are some very strong and talented judoka out there who can execute these same throws very effectively against seasoned wrestlers" I loved this particular video because i like to see the carryover of Judo no gi, which is essentially a variation of Greco Roman wrestling which I practice and love. Lol this wrestler I argued with also dislikes Greco, cant fix stupid. Thanks for the video Chadi
Ireallly like this video, but I would however like to dispute the seoi nage part. The wording to be exact. In my opinion it's not that we judokas need more space to execute it, beacause I've seen the wrestling style seoi in judo a lot,hat is different in my opinion is the way it's taught. The classical way they teach you seoi at first in judo is definetly the way that you need space, but once you go into randori or shiai you start using both versions, if not the wrestling one a bit more. At least from my experience.
Yeah it can be both in judo, but if we were to judge from kuzushi/tsukuri/kake then ippon seoi nage needs space to be executed in judo but it can be both definitely.
On thing I'd like to add is if you're going the judo route work in a fair amount of time in escapes incase some one decides to take your back after a successful throw and transitions too. That advise is for mma and self defense but mainly mma.
@@vybinn1805 depends on the situation, but as grabbing cloth is a big thing in the streets, judo is giving you a good defence aganst that and the upright posture is also pretty natural in the streets. but the best martial art for the streets is running
Two incredible grappling arts. It's a thing of beauty to see high level judokas or wrestlers compete. The speed, strength and skill are amazing.. Every serious martial artist should take a look at these arts.
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As a greco roman wrestler, this is a great video. Just a quick addition, in the suplex, most of the power comes from the legs and hips. In every example that you showed you can see a wrestler explode with his legs and drive his hips forward at the same time as to throw the opponent of balance and lauch him upwards. After that comes the arch of the back. It crucial that you do that work with the legs and hips otherwise it's IMPOSSIBLE to suplex a wrestler where the main strenght comes from the back, its too hard and the opponent will counyer it
Thank you for the information
Hello Paulius Galkinas:
give everyone some data on your thoughts on the similarities between muay thai clinch everything vs greco .
I see much what about you ?
@@Chadimn
I've implemented a lot of Greco-Roman wrestling techniques into my Jiu-Jitsu it has helped me so much
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@@Chadi sorry I'm a casual💯%. So judo came from jujitsu? So you have submitions, join locks in it? But do you have it too in freestyle and greco roman? Or just body slamming and shooting?
@@icanaja8192 yes there are submissions in Judo : chokes and locks. Not in freestyle or greco tho
@@HadrienATF so there are subs in judo like in BJJ. But none in olympics freestyle and greco wrestling. I don't get, what's the point of wrestling and grappling if you can't sub?🤔🙄🤷♂️, just slamming to the ground WWE style is that it? I mean even in MMA slamming is the rarest thing happens coz it's very hard to do, take downs and tripping happen all the time but slams are very rare in mma. So wrestling is just the art of taking down to the grown and defense to not get taken down is that it? But once you take your opponent to the ground, as a wrestler you don't know shite💩 about how to sub your opponent? What r u gonna do to them, just dominate them on top of them? Just bully them make them tired? Just lay and pray? What's the point? 🤷♂️. Are slams really that often in olympics freestyle and greco wrestling?
I too wrestled in high school but I've been training for a long time and really love it because of the throws and superfast submissions we use. We train at our Dojo and use all the leg grabs because most of us are older and don't want to miss any of the good old technics. Good stuff
Chadi, you should research Martin "Farmer" Burns the American Wrestling icon. Also you may find it interesting that in the late 1800s & early 1900s in America many boxing champions were cross trained in Wrestling and Judo. The pro-boxing champ Jack Dempsey was also skilled in submission wrestling and Judo. The U.S. president Theodore Roosevelt was a boxer til injury cost him vision in his left eye so he began wrestling and then Judo. He declared Judo to be his favorite fighting art and best for self defense. He converted a room in the White House into a Judo dojo where he forced his generals and body guards to grapple him. In WWII Jack Dempsey was commissioned as an officer in the coast guard to teach fitness & unarmed combat. He taught a Judo based curriculum with some submission catch wrestling & bareknuckle boxing sprinkled within.
I've been learning Judo/ Bjj and MMA, and I love grappling, I love takedowns and throws 🔥♥️
Now that I'm learning some wrestling and greco roman moves, I realize how amazing they are
great work. I grew up wrestling and did judo for a couple years and grappling is grappling and I love it. you could probably do another video between folk-style wrestling and judo techniques that involve the legs.
Great video. Both martial arts are badass and complement and overlap each other.
Exactly both are beasts for techniques, self defense and increasing quality of life
Great video. I wrestled in various styles and tried my hand at judo and picked it up very quick. The big difference was the set ups which in judo is all in foot positioning. Not attacking the legs is a difficult adjustment.
Thank you Matthew
That rule is just seven years old, and I think that most judokas hate it.
@@henrikg1388 They should, leg attacks are so high percentage, it's insane to ban these techniques.
Literally around two months ago i was looking for a video that is comparing the same throws in judo and wresling and i couldn't find any. So i was really happy that this video showed in my recommendations.
I'm glad
I actually used Ura Nage a lot in Judo, both offensively and as a counter to Koshi guruma. In both instances I always used a bodylock, rather than a belt grip. However, I never hit my head on the mat as I've often seen both wrestlers and Judoka do. I think the difference is that I always hugged the uke very tightly to my chest before lifting him and arching backward, and maintained this hold throughout. Consequently, the uke would always hit the mat first and take the full impact of the throw.
PS) I would always arch slightly to one side (left or right). For example if the uke had his left arm around the back of my neck, I would arch to my right and throw him over my right shoulder.
believe me, the Georgian Chidaoba(wrestling) units those two disciplines organically
for real? I was about to take a greco-roman wrestling class
Agree
I've wrestled all.my life in freestyle, folk and Greco-Roman. I like Greco-Roman most. It's hips are similar to Muay Thai and work well in MMA. Just started judo with my kids. Love the grips the gi affords. The range and footwork is strange still but I can't wait to get comfortable with it. The gi makes gripping less immediate but more secure. Wish I'd started when I was younger.it would've helped my wrestling a lot
I believe a mix of Judo and GR will be lethal
Love the rice bale throw, when Ike thinks he has the basic tackle or two leg take down , sit , roll back , lift them and over they go! I’d rather sprawl but sometimes they catch you off guard! Wow those wrestler use so much energy lifting uki so high as they don’t know the sacrifice, interesting, they are so strong to lift so high li,e that! Appreciate your work on these videos, an old guy like me needs review mentally as well as physical practice
Coming up as a white belt in Brazilian Jiu-jitsu, I received little instruction on the clinch. My coach, who has been wrestling for 20 years, volunteered to work Greco with me after class. An older Purple Belt and freestyle wrestling coach saw us one evening and said, "What is this? Judo without the gi?" 😂 Since that day I saw the similarities. Clinch is now one of my strengths.
Good comparison video!
Thank you Chad
Easily one of my favorite videos Chadi. Thank you. I know it seems like a "muscle" sport, but that is a mind trick...illusion. Greco is all technique. Just like judo. Using your hips to get under their center or using their own force. Even the greco reverse bodylock from par terre. Technique, not strength. (of course on a high level with great stakes, whether it's judo, wrestling or BJJ...you try to enhance all of your attributes) Trying to catch up on all of the wrestling videos. You've done such a great job with these and is exactly the right person to do it. You have the knowledge, experience, as unbias as you can(you are human) and curiosity. The grappling world thanks you.
Thank you very much
I can't do a complete Suplex, so the Ura Nage is my go to move, I need that leg lift, and it's more practical in my opinion anyways. I think an interesting throw is the Sukui Nage or Scooping Throw, because it's devastating as all hell if pulled off. I've only competed in four Judo competitions and one Greco Roman Wrestling tournament, but I did not use the move, cus idk it just didn't come up, I'm too used to just going for Harai O' Goshi or Body Drags, but I heard it was banned from Judo, is that true? Understand that I do primarily Jiu Jitsu, but my coaches were wrestlers in highschool who forces their students to refrain from pulling guard. So I'm not like 100% sure about the rules of Judo. I did do a Sukui Nage in the dojo twice, got in trouble tho, so now I'm wondering if it's banned from Judo Competitions, I'd totally understand why it is if it is tho.
Recently discovered your videos, great stuff. Have you considered doing a video on Robin Reed and Ad Santel? Two early 20th century wrestlers who were incredibly dominant, I have a feeling Robin Reed was incredibly ahead of his time with his techniques.
Will add to the list
Collegiate wrestling coach, newish fan of you. Want to give you some of the “wrestler names” to these techniques. Not all have consistent names but a few do.
1:26 - two techniques here. Chest wrap is the first one when your over both legs when they attack your legs. Kyle dake had a very famous one at the World Cup a few years ago. The traditional lift from pare terre is a body lock from a “reverse grip”
2:39 - this a really just a high amplitude gut wrench. You can often see this happen when opponents try to defend a takedown by keeping a “quad pod”
5:03 - belly to back suplex. The holy grail of all wrestling. No move is more impressive.
7:48 - Arm throw
8:19 - Arm spin
9:43 - headlock or head and arm throw (just a name difference)
Would love to talk about this with you!
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Very interesting. This is such a good analysis/comparison of the two martial arts. Also- great selection of some beautiful throws.
Greco roman wrestling sadly is never thaught of by most as a method of self defence,
When in my opinion it is one of the best.
I've just never got a Hell's Angel or Mongol to accept a "pin", so it has no practical defense application for me.
Whats better Greco Roman, freestyle or BJJ?
@@vybinn1805 In a sporting context, I would say Bjj. If your talking strictly self defense, judo is better than bjj simply because judo teaches you to throw the other person and stay standing yourself.
You never want to go to the ground willingly in a self defense situation, as most bjj schools focus on.
most self defense situations are actually spend most of the time in clinching range. Guess what judo focusses on 80 percent of the time: Clinching range, but unlike freestyle or greco where they focus on under/overhooks and collar ties, judo teaches you to make use of a person's clothing by way of the gi. Guess what most people will be wearing in a self defense situation: clothing.
if the fight does go to the ground, in a self defense situation, Bjj starts doing way to complicated stuff past blue belt. Ask any of the Gracies when they were still challenging people, most fights back then against unpredictable opponents where won with basic stuff: Kimura, straight armlock, guillotine, rear naked, (back) mount. Exactly the stuff they focus on in judo ne waza.
Also, if your in security or law enforcement, nothing discourages a would be assailant more than being thrown on his ass.
A far better strategy than rolling on the floor with him, especially if there are weapons or multiple assailants involved
I think Geoff Thompson said it best: " judo is the martial arts world best kept secret"
@@leenvdsteeg8147 Thank you very much, btw what do you think of Sambo?
Your videos are awesome,i wish they were atleast an hour long.Just keeps the eyes pinned every second 👊👊👊
Thank you so much Arik
@@Chadi You are more than welcome,awesome comparison 🙂
Great Review and explanation of both grappling styles.
I have never trained in Greco. However while training in Catch; there are some Greco moves, throws. What I like in Judo is that you can and are allowed to use your legs. While sparring in Karate, I use a lot of sweeps against my sparring partners. Using your legs allows you to use less strength as their is alot of technique involved. In Greco the technique looks like it involves more strength. I will add that I stopped using Judo Gi many years ago. I'm able to do various throws with out a Gi.
there is still alotta divisiveness even between wrestling styles, some people prefer folk style and insist its the best, in my eyes when it comes to takedowns grappling is grappling where you learn it doesnt really matter
I learned it as just drop seo nagi. And you don't out your leg out like in other judo throws, because your opponent can drop his knee on your leg sometimes and it would tweak your knee pretty badly.
I will study english and listen to this video. Please dont remove this video.
I won't
I wrestled in high school (folk style), and the head n arm throw was my shit. Had many success and fails and wins with it. Was never really good at the arm throw.
I loved my high cs and ankle picks
Oh yes me too. I used to wond my opponents, by lying on the diaphragm and doing a crossface with their arm over their eyes and nose.
Novice technique in folkstyke wrestling. In northeast of Ohio if you try a head and arm throw, you get pinned. In higher level greco its a bit more acceptable because its hard to get and not going to cost you the match.
@@shrummedia5059 it was a hit/miss for me. I did get a couple actual hip throws while holding the head&arm. Standing and on the ground. But I was also just stubborn that way.
I do MMA and i do several years Thay boxing,Jiu jitsu .and before i did free style wresling and i love wresling .Free style wresling is very similar to judo ..But still in MMA when am in the clinch whith me oponent lots of time am very strong in this position cose i use wresling then Free style or greco romano trows .is best in clinch but even if u fighting on the ground wresling help u lot of course u have too use jiu jitsu but from wresling u know how to rolling ,pushing ,trowing and turning your oponnent actually lots of our guy what have wresling backround are very good graplers in gym and even good jiu jitsu guys have problems with them . wresling is actually with me experience much better for trowning then jiu ...Jiu is better fighting on the ground,,....So still is very good for everybody who wanna do MMA go to studi some wresling better probably greco romano is awesome in clinch i think supperior in clinch..
hi, new to the channel. Nice content. Would be cool to see a technique breakdown comparison between Judo and Sambo
You got it Bradaen
Russan ties are really good for ankle picks in folk style and make really good arm throws aswell
Explicit comparisons in Judo Vs Freestyle and Greco-Roman Wrestlings;
Greco Roman Wrestling;
among the first Olympic-Class Wrestling that primarily intent for Physical Fitness as yet they know as Old-School revitalised Combat Sports that may not be primarily intent for practical combat logisitcs but their strengthening conditions may their weapon over their physique vantage point,
Freestyle Wrestling;
A revolutionised Olympic-Class Wrestling as a result from their Greco-Roman technical protests, as though among the Wrestling type were allowed the leg attacks to tackle any defensive and offensive supressions and yet it is another Combat-Based Physical Fitness actually made by the Americans as yet prospered into the second approved Olympic-Class Wrestling
Judo;
Made by Japanese Jujutsu to cope its own Combat Sports decent as a resulted into the moderate Physical Fitness and later a PE Curriculum as until to having credibility for Sports,
as though among the First credible Martial Art that become the Olympic Sporting Event
In Folk Style, that gut hoist is pretty common. Its an easy counter to shots on legs because the momentum carries through when the head gets stuffed and the hips are up.
Greco wrestling banned leg grab just like Judo. I prefer Catch and freestyle wrestling
I like the upper body control it helps in MMA far more than freestyle even Chael Sonnen said this, and also better for self defense as an upright posture.
Greco-Roman Wrestling never allowed grabs below the waist since first described by Platon in the Republic as Orthopale (upright wrestling) then reintroduced into popularity in France. The rationale is in fighting melee especially when weapons, armor, and kit are involved it's best to stay upright and slam the foe quickly then get a weapon out to kill them or strangle them. Next time you get a chance to wrestle or grapple get a ruck sack or weighted vest and helmet and spar with them on especially try it with stickgrappling. Also Platon Laws 796a-b.
Folk style (collegiate) and Greco-Roman are my favorite wrestling styles.
Chael sonnen also said folk is best for mma.
@@kevionrogers2605 thank u for the quote. I ve never read that part of the Republic. Which paragraph is it?
@@johnny2x459 544b, and Sigma544b. The word translated as wrestle in English is Orthopale in the Greek text. It is expounded upon in his other text one of them the Laws I already cited.
Since having a background in Judo. I would be confident in cross training in Greco or competing. I would be able to adjust. Some fighters hate being thrown. Especially non throwing grapllers. I've been thrown, but kicked. All good. I owe it to my fellow Martial Artist.
You should also mention the arm spin which basically bypasses the lifting motion and spikes them head first so you can take their back
Nice breakdown!
Thanks Eddie
Pins in freestyle and greco are instant as soon as both shoulders touch. You can roll through but if you get held at all you are pinned. Folkstyle is a 2 sec pin.
Extremely great video. Thanks.
Tawara Gaeshi is used in wrestling, But called a Chest Wrap.
Thank you
Great video, two great Martial arts!!
Congratulations.
I wish there would be something like freestyle wrestling without butt holds but chocks and locks instead. That'd be my dream grappling.
Both of favorite martial arts
Just discovered your channel thank you for the breakdowns!!! Now Im missing the dojo... we still cant play due to my city's corona problem I hope it would end asap thank you once again for reinvigorating the fire
I really appreciate it
Crazy how he compares a Wrestling Head and Arm to WWE, far from it. Judo is good Martial Art, but Wrestling is a whole different animal. I competed in both. Many years ago when I was a kid the rules had to be changed because Wrestler’s were being so successful with their double legs. Knowing Greco-Roman Wrestling as kid taking away a double leg didn’t matter, by closing the gap my throws became pretty easy.
For those who have not taken Judo or Wrestling, you’re missing out, Judo is an awesome martial art again, but Wrestling is Wrestling. They’re both a must try.
Wrestling arm throw is much closer to Uchi MakiKomi than Ippon Seoi Nage. Wrestlers frequently wrap the arm and not lift with the legs. It's could be similar to the difference between Kubi Nage vs. Koshi Guruma. Thanks Chadi
Interesting video, you Should have put o /ko uchi gari, or may be kosoto gake
I don't mean to nitpick, but some of the armthows that you showed in wrestling were actually "arm spins," which is slightly different. In Greco an Armthrow is much more similar to ippon saenagi (or seoi-otoshi as you point out is different). However, an armspin you get your hips all the way to the outside and try to place your opponents arm in an rnc position around your neck (which is obviously bad in judo) and then just perform a shoulder roll.
The difference between an armspin and an armthrow in wrestling is very subtle as the difference between saenagi and seoi-otoshi.
5:06 German Suplex in Pro Wrestling. Chris Benoit used to pull this move off all the time.
Just my opinion but, Greco Roman Wrestling looks like the no gi version of Judo.
Enough said, let's train!
Fantastic video. Subscribed.
, I’ve trained a little bit of Kano JJ 10thpJJ and now I moved to catch. I believe that all techniques are the same if we look at the prespective that controlling a human being is the same. I believe that the differences come because of the mentality of the art form.
Agreed! The human body is the same worldwide
I agree with you but I would rephrase that. The Martial Arts teaches you the same concepts. There are only so and so many ways of doing a sound suplex/ura nage. The PERSONAL expression of the art AND the ruleset of the competitive aspect of the art form our way of expressing a specific concept in a specific technique .
100% agree
Al Lex couldn’t phrase it better. I totally agree with you, the personal expression of a individual is one or if not one of the most important and underrated concepts.
You haven't seen Billy Robinson yet. Go and watch his vid techniques. A lot of unique and unknown techniques to BJJ and Judo
the ibinuma throw name is irisseoi nage (reverse seoi nage) (when you grip the revert not the arm )
Why not Gyaku Seoi Nage? ( I'm not arguing, just trying to learn)
Loved this 👌🏼
Great video! Thank you.
Great video looking forward to more.
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Wrestlers are the scariest fighter I have encountered. Respect to all wrestlers, regardless of the style!
4:20 back arch throws aren't a dead lift, it's a hip pop and arch
Deadlifts are hip dominant
Thank you i was talking about getting someone off the par terre position before the arch. But i could be wrong I'm no wrestler I'm new to it.
Good analysis
Thank you!
That throw looks kinda like a fireman
Arm
What annoys me with alot of wrestlers and MMA fighters using wrestling, is that they either use the legs or the back for throws.
The proper technique is using your hips and displacing your opponents centre of gravity.
Almost no effort at all.
And totally allowed in Greco Roman.
love your vids chadi thank you!
Thank you for watching!
Love the video
Can you spot the speed and strength difference between the wrestlers and judo players? Wrestlers don't have the advantage to get a strong grip from a loose collar or sleeve. They have to get strong and fast to be able to grip the other wrestlers arm or torso. Judo is a tough sport but just look at the athleticism of wrestlers. Fast twitch muscle fibres at work.
Depends
1:23 in wrestling we call that a chest wrap
One of my favorite techniques.
As a Judoka I was sad to see leg grabs go. Completed the set so to speak.
They're a million ways to bring them back
@@Chadi Judo has answers to defend and counter morote-gari. They should be showcased. Too many leg picks? Drill the counters.
@@cbcsucks2205 tawar gaeshi is one example
Awesome, awesome video!
Thank you
Judokas should cross-train "greco-roman" wrestling, and vice-versa, but judokas would benefit more in learning to clinch and throw without the grip of the gi, and adapt judo throwing techniques to a more realistic, or at least universal form of wrestling, that is without the gi, and only your opponent's body and limbs to grapple them.
love this channel
Thank you Ignacio
Bro the way they land on their heads after is so bizarre to me
Pls compare Olympic Wrestling and old judo
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God damn, that throw the Judoka in the Blue Gi landed around timestamp 4:05 looks REALLY dangerous the way he landed on the top of his head on the mat, yikes!!
I really hope that the way he finished that throw was not the correct way.
So does judo take moves from Roman wrestling?
It bored some moves during 19th and early 20th century
Nice video !
Thank you
I still want to see a great Greco wrestler against a great Judo guy. Create some sort of hybrid rules for them to compete against each other.
Theres no better martial art theres better sportmans
That was a very well done comparison between to great martial arts. It's just that the throws in greco-roman you exhibit, almost never happens. It's clinch-clinch-clinch, then partaire and mabe points for rolling, and that's it. I am sorry to say, but Greco-Roman has become extremely boring. And Freestyle wrestling isn't much better. They just shoot for a single or double leg, like it is the only thing they know.
Oh man i didn't know! I've been meaning to try out Greco-roman
@@Chadi I guess you're being sarcastic, but look at the last thirty years of olympic wrestling and try to find more than one or two arm throws/Flying mares. In Judo, seio nages happens all the time.
I wasn't being sarcastic not one bit, I'm really planning to try out Greco-roman once we can train again
@@Chadi Well, then go for it and best of luck. If there is one thing I have to say about wrestlers, then it is that they are driving a real hard physical fitness on all levels. On an elite level there is of course no big difference, but practically all wrestlers are extremely fit.
Chadi where y’all find the schools at ? Can’t find it nowhere
Without music please.
Question: is it a martial art if it has no martial application (such as finishes or even practicality and preparedness for unarmed combat)?
I would say it's of an art
judo vs freestyle? or judo vs shuai jiao?
Sure
Freestyle
Had an argument (and it was an actual argument) with a freestyle wrestler regarding the ability of Judokas to execute the same throws no gi against a freestyle wrestler with their lower position. He stands by the idea that most judoka would get taken down by freestyle wrestlers due to position, I disagreed and responded with "that's a blanket statement and you cant make a hypothetical statement off that because there are some very strong and talented judoka out there who can execute these same throws very effectively against seasoned wrestlers" I loved this particular video because i like to see the carryover of Judo no gi, which is essentially a variation of Greco Roman wrestling which I practice and love. Lol this wrestler I argued with also dislikes Greco, cant fix stupid. Thanks for the video Chadi
@@samburman8577 thank you for sharing my friend
Ireallly like this video, but I would however like to dispute the seoi nage part. The wording to be exact. In my opinion it's not that we judokas need more space to execute it, beacause I've seen the wrestling style seoi in judo a lot,hat is different in my opinion is the way it's taught. The classical way they teach you seoi at first in judo is definetly the way that you need space, but once you go into randori or shiai you start using both versions, if not the wrestling one a bit more. At least from my experience.
Yeah it can be both in judo, but if we were to judge from kuzushi/tsukuri/kake then ippon seoi nage needs space to be executed in judo but it can be both definitely.
Nice video
Thank you
What about freestyle wrestling where you can use the legs?
I have a video on it too
Chadi oh ok cool 👍
Wrestling looks better and is more combative
What if Khabib did the single/double leg? Can you stop it with tawara gaeshi(
You counter with sumi gaeshi
What is better for mma?
judo, theres chokes and locks
@@Chadi but judo is gi game, in mma you don't have gi
@@isos6534 I know but you djust your grips
On thing I'd like to add is if you're going the judo route work in a fair amount of time in escapes incase some one decides to take your back after a successful throw and transitions too. That advise is for mma and self defense but mainly mma.
Good info
Thank you
Greco guys have very powerful koshi guruma
Do you have a social media??
I don't use social media anymore, you can reach me here.
I have done both and greco roman is harder and more brutal
Where can you find Greco Roman? What Country You in
@@PP-ec6cw USA, Russia and almost all middle east countries,eastern and western Europe and some of asia.
@@PP-ec6cw its tuaght in highschool in usa while i dont agree in this guys opinion judo was way harder tham wrestling for me
P0RK where in USA
I agree, Greco-Roman wrestling was brutal compared to judo in my experience.
Nice guy...
Just wrestling 💗
lethwei is the most brutal striking art and wrestling is the most brutal grappling art
The biggest diffrence is the gea.
Gi vs no Gi
I think Greco is the better. 🤗🤗
what is better in a street fight: BJJ, Greco-Roman or Judo?
@@vybinn1805 depends on the situation, but as grabbing cloth is a big thing in the streets, judo is giving you a good defence aganst that and the upright posture is also pretty natural in the streets. but the best martial art for the streets is running
Well wrestling should incorporate Judo leg lifts why the fuck not? Why not add good things to an already great art?
Greco roman wrestling with foot sweeps would be a killer
don't become a fighter but become a doctor!!