How much does it cost to FUEL an airliner?!
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How much does it actually cost to fuel up an airliner? What can an airline do to minimize its fuel costs and how does the Fuel system in a Boeing 737 work? In todays episode its all about fuel. I will try to answer the most common questions that people have regarding the fuel system and if you have more questions, you can ask my directly in the Mentour aviation app! 👇🏻👇🏻
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I'm not a pilot but I did notice the placement of the red and green (navigation lights) pillows on the couch.
That works for sailors also ^^
Wait until you "meet" the dogs 😉
Red, right, returning.
Wait... We can see the aft white light, it means he is flying inverted.
Nice!!! I was thinking that looked oddball for an interior choice but never realized this.
One of the things that I found fascinating was how the fuel gets to the airports. There are only a few countries that move it around on trains or in tanker trucks. For example in the UK the fuel for all major airports and medium sized ones and a surprising amount of small ones are all from a network of fuel pipes originally put in, in WWII. A late war Avro Lancaster on a maximum range sortie would carry roughly 4 tonnes of fuel. In a 1000 bomber raid that's going to be more than could be handled by the roads of the era and you really do not want that much potentially visible to the enemy (in terms of fuel trucks moving about). Therefore the pipelines were built in secret so the Germans would not know we had it and therefore may not expect a bombing raid as they would not see major fuel movement. I believe they also go to modern RAF bases as well. I have heard rumours that they were even maintained on the disused dispersal airfields from WWII in the cold war. I know for a fact that there were at least two WWII dispersal fields in Bedfordshire about half way between Bedford and Kimbolton on the B660 in remarkably good condition in the 1970's.
I've started nodding whenever he says "Okay? Good."
So it's not just me then...
I feel like a student, when he says that
Right then.
That means you have no idea what he's talking about...
"Okey" means: if you nod now, change the video, or rewind 30 seconds backward.
When I was coming back from a deployment in the 90s, the 727 charter flight my unit was on had to stop at a small airport in Southern Mexico to refuel. I remember watching the captain take out a big blue bank bag and count out a huge stack of cash to the refueler before he would hook up the lines.
Of course I'm doing absolutely fantastic: I'm watching a Mentour Pilot video!
His absolutely fantastic line is so catchy.
Exactly!
This is the fourth Mentour Pilot video I have watched. I feel like I'm ready to pilot an airliner.
Then you must watch @captainJoe. I started with him, and learned a lot about cockpit situations and all technical stuff.
Sane thing happen to me after my 4th porn movie.
what could go wrong
As a former Fuel-Operator, I'd like to add a few points:
The fuel is always filtered by dispenser trucks (and many times more in underfloor systems) or fuel trucks. Water is separated and a visible check is alway performed. Density / temperature is another important thing. Don't forget that there are several different Kerosin specifications. In Europe, mostly Jet A1 is available, North America is Jet A1. The SR71 Blackbird has its own Kerosine specification.. funny.
You didn't mention the remaining fuel thats obligated by FAA.
BtW. most Fuelers around the globe prefer Boings to Airbus to refill because of the fact, that it's more a manual process. The worst on is the A330, it's a diva to refill.
Only Mentour could make a video about fuel this entertaining and full of knowledge!
As I watch your channel, I'm learning how difficult and challenging its to fly an aircraft and how many variables and unknowable can cause trouble to the pilots
Episode suggestion for the captain: maintenance schedules for various systems on the 737, engines, instruments, gear, airframe. I'm sure its pretty complex. Also unscheduled maintenance and proceedure for pulling an aircraft from service.
You have no idea. I'm a 737 maintenance technician, and I don't even know. Trust me, it's way too much for him to cover in 50 videos.
Fun Fact: the cute puppy, is actually his co-pilot.
DOG is My Copilot
Shut up like beggar.
@@dickJohnsonpeter Mad lil guy?? Miserable Life son?
I remember back in early 90s when me and my brother were kids and took trips from Usa to Europe, I used to ask the stewardess if I could see the cockpit and she said sure I’ll come back for you later.
She took me and my brother to the cockpit and we were over the Atlantic in a 747,
I asked what would happen if a motor went out?
The captain reached over and shut down a engine and asked did you feel anything?
I have to be honest not really.
We went back to our seats and told our parents... they freaked out and called us crazy. Lol those were the days
lmfao thats pretty awesome
You were lied to, son
Yeah same here ... we could once fly the plane =D and I also remember that we once also was allowed to breath threw there oxygen masks they showed everything, that was pretty awesome ... Good old times... or also we came in a 767 from NY to Berlin ... it was heavy raining in Berlin and that’s why heavy traffic over Berlin ... and the pilot spends a 1/2 hour over Paris and showed the left and right side the beautiful city ... and made a city tour with us to not waste time over Berlin ...
Hussein Ali
I don’t know the pilots seemed pretty genuine and it was a 747 with 4 engines.
No chance would they shut down 1 engine mid flight there is also the issue re starting that engine at such hight altitude
10:38 so cute that sounded like a sound from the Atari 2600 ;-)
As l have said elsewhere you're a great narrator and you would be an excellent flying instructor.
You know your subject well and you convey the information to your listeners in such way that everyone understands.
Always a great pleasure to see / listen to your videos! Many thanks from Down Under!
He is an instructor! Probably why he moved into the youtube space as well, because he's an excellent one.
Almost 500k subs now ;). Proud to have been here from the very start. This is well deserved :))). Congrats
About aircraft efficiency, you have to remember what @WendoverProductions said:
"The Airbus A320neo can carry 6400 gallons (24200 litres) of fuel - that is the equivalent of 376 fully fuelled Toyota Camrys. For every mile (1.6km) the A320neo flies, it burns 1.5 gallons (5.68 litres) of jet fuel - that works out to a paltry .67mpg (350L/100km). That A320 could just barely fly from the Empire State Building to the Grand Central Terminal on that gallon of fuel, to fly that 213mi (355km) from New York to D.C., that A320 needs 317 gallons (1200l) of fuel. With that much fuel, our Camry could drive from New York to L.A. 49 times, but we have to consider that the Camry only seats 5. The A320 seats 154. So, assuming fully loaded, it has a per person fuel efficiency of 104.7mpg (2.25l/100km)."
That puppy upstaged you there. Have to watch it again now to take in what you’re saying. 😀
Thanks, very informative, just finished a 737 flight, always good to know more about what you guys are doing up front.
I once worked with a guy who also worked for an oil company. For large volume sales, the price is carried out to a thousandth of a cent.
All your videos are awesome- you have a great way of explaining things....
Kudos Mentor pilot!!!
HUGE congrats on the 500K subs! Well deserved.
It depends on your route to how much it will cost, then there are some airlines that only allow refuelling at certain airports due to cost. For example flybe refuel in Glasgow but not bhx so that route the crew fuel up for 2 sectors (there and bk) but on average it's around £13k ($16k)
Very good explanation of the fuel pricing that airlines use... it makes perfect sense to follow fuel prices to affix best price of tickets. Thx.
That's why customer needs to understand how freight weight influence costs.
I hope you give that poor dog some love once you finish recording.
I hope so too the doggie loves him but he doesn't love the 🐕 back so much oh well it's a doggie doggie world
Hope he bites his ass..!
"So let's say it's two hours. That's about a hundred and twenty minutes." (pause. alarm bell... you can't leave it like that...) "That's EXACTLY a hundred and twenty minutes." This is why I would fly with this guy!
Roger Stone I liked the “...if the imbalance exceeds approximately 453kg...”. Not 452 or 454.
@@steveallen1340 cuz the American built plane has a 1000lbs imbalance rating. A nice round number, not so much when flying in Europe where the metric system is universally used.
Don’t you have a prison to be in?
Thanks bro.....really bring up my knowledge to another level, but humble and keep learning......God bless you more.....
Some little airplane numbers: fuel capacity 225 litres (60 U.S. gallons). Aviation gasoline $CDN 1.75 a litre. Good for 7 hours in the air, 1200-ish km. In practice endurance is set by biology, if you get my drift. :-)
Like most light airplanes I can have full fuel, four people in the plane, or luggage, but not all three.
You must not be flying Cherokees!
Beech 23 Musketeer with long-range fuel tanks.
I saw a doc about a day in the life of American Airlines. They followed one specific flight then calculated the airline's profit on that flight after everything was paid out and it was $18.00. That's eighteen dollars. Wow!
Any chance for a link of some description to the show you mentioned?
Link?
You answered a question I have had for a while. You make up for the extra fuel while ascending durring the descent. It is my understsnding that the lift an airplane has to keep it up requires energy use.
In 1997 I was flying from Reno to Chicago nonstop on a MD-80. I happened to be flying 1st class (business trip) and before 911 the cockpit door was always open... After taking off (almost immediately) the pilot came on the PA saying we were going to have to land in Salt Lake City to refuel because our takeoff weight was heavy... Apparently there was a major bowling tournament in Reno and they underestimated weight not realizing the amount of Bowling balls the aircraft had onboard. (That's what he said) We landed in SLC and were on the ground, for an hour or so, while they added fuel. The fuel man came aboard and I watched the Pilot give him a credit card to pay for the fuel. Thought this was the weirdest thing I ever saw. Ended up getting pretty drunk (1st class), we took off again and eventually arrived in Chicago, I missed my connection. lol
The cockpit door wouldn't have been open in flight. It still would have been closed and locked, the difference is that the doors weren't reinforced and there weren't any locked door policy. Which is why 911 occured.
@@EinkOLED Sorry, I will not argue about this, but I flew business over the continental U.S. very regular in the 80's and 90's. The cockpit door was open the whole flight very often... I remember landing many a time looking down at the runway in an aisle seat. It's the way it was.
Are you sure the weight of the bowlers themselves didn't contribute? ;-)
I’ve flown after 9/11 in Europe and the cockpit door was opened. Not to mention before 9/11 it was open quite often
it was probably a fuel card like you would for any company truck,car or indeed aircraft
Very, very, very interesting and informative.
Thank you!
Love the videos mentour. Really informative and inspiring
Passengers pay $400.00 a pice 300 passengers . They make out.
such a very informative video, like the one for wings, i never knew there so much in the pilot field. thx
We come for an education in aviation and we get a real-world futures trading lesson too. This channel is great
When you mentioned "you only take the amount of fuel we need + for reserve" I remember a trip from Berlin to Munich. 1h flight. About 15min from the airport we did a 180 degrees right turn and went back to Berlin. Captain announced a problem with the (weather?) Radar. In Munich at this moment was a hell of bad weather.
So the airplane had twice the amount of fuel they needed.?! Makes sense regarding the price of fuel they had to take for munich - ...
After arriving in Munich later I've asked a colleague about the weather, as I only saw dark clouds and wet streets He confirmed massive storm with hail.
Another great vlog. Thank you.
Very informative you are. You make it easier to understand and incredibly interesting. Subscribed 👍
As always these videos are absolutely fantastic!
Petter,
Great video and explanations - thank you!
God bless
Paul
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Thanks to you sharing everything with us ☺️☺️☺️☺️. I have loving to learning.
I flew a early Wizzair flight and they had to divert going to Budapest. I was flying the return and the pilots actually had to pay for the fuel with their credit cards because Wizzair didn't have a fueling arrangement. They weren't too happy but because of the diversion the fuel they tankered wasn't enough for minimums.
We're going to be visiting my mother. We're flying from Los Angeles to Pittsburgh. Now I know it will cost about $4,400 in fuel to get there. That's so unbelievable. I would never have guessed it was that much.
I think that was for a 2 hr flight
I would not have guessed how interesting a video about fuel and aviation could be. Who knew?
Agreed . . .
Love your videos-very informative!
Since you haven't mentioned any, I collected some accidents and incidents involving fuel and the fueling system. These were all covered by Mayday/Air Crash Investigators.
- Air Transat Flight 236, diverted to the Azores after gliding 65nm because ran out of fuel due to a fuel leak
- Air Canada Flight 143 (Gimli Glider), diverted to Gimli after running out of fuel due to taking less fuel than needed during the last refueling because of a conversion error and a broken fuel guage
- British Airtours Flight 28M, caught fire in Manchester after a combustor ruptured in the left engine and punctured the fuel tank in the wing
- Tuninter Flight 1153, crashed into the Mediterranean Sea after running out of fuel due to taking less fuel than needed during the last refueling because of a wrong fuel guage installed on the aircraft
- British Airways Flight 38, crashed short of the runway at Heathrow after suffering from engines control problems due to the heat exchanger clogged by ice accumulating in the fuel lines
- Air France Flight 4590 (Concorde), crashed after taking off in Paris after a piece of metal hit and ruptured one of its fuel tanks that caused a fire and engine failure
- China Airlines Flight 120, caught fire in Okinawa after a loose bolt punctured the right wing fuel tank
- Cathay Pacific Flight 780, made an emergency landing in Hong Kong after suffering from engine control problems due to fuel contaminated by SAP spheres used by ground equipment
Unfortunately there were quite a few accidents where the aircraft ran out of fuel due to some other, non-fuel related reason. I didn't include them because this list would be a lot longer.
Tibor Baksa If I remember correctly the film Freefall Flight 174 was based fairly closely on the 1983 Air Canada flight 143 running out of fuel.
There were also a couple of incidents on 747's where the belly tank fuel pumps overheated due to a manufacturing error where a wire was pinched inside. Crane Aerospace solved that issue by X-raying the assembly prior to final inspection and test.
@@gordonlawrence4749 I believe TWA Flight 800 was one of those accidents. You are right, it's definitely related to fuel.
@@baksatibi I don't remember how many accidents there were but I know the problem was identified and corrected unusually quickly. The legacy pumps were left in place and they just left the belly tanks full until new pumps were available.
Very interesting fuel video, Mentour🙋 I have all of it, set in mine thens of ATPL Books, they i have!
Thanks Captain👮
10:37 please, please include more doggy bloopers in your videos, they make me smile
Unique and useful information like always, thanks for great video
This was an absolutely fantastic video, whether you are interested in commercial aircraft, airline economics, investing in airline companies or airline fuel providers! Very, very well done! Thank you!
txjw
Is *Air* considered fuel?.
Think .... really think with your Mind how any plane could get off the ground with LIQUID.
Thanks for this great video Mentour Pilot.
Thank YOU for watching! I’m glad you liked it
@@MentourPilot Hi Peter! How are you my friend? So I have a question! So what are the names of the companies that provide jet fuel? Is it the same companies like here in the US/Canada, companies we use for gas in our cars like Chevron, Shell, ExxonMobil BP, Texaco, Arco, etc.? Are there different brands that you can choose from in each airport? What about things like oil or other fluids/lubricants? Does Jerry fuel have various octanes (like do you have a choice like we do with cars? for example 87/89/93 octane) is there diesel options for airplanes? Sorry if these sound like stupid questions but I'm just really curious!!! Thanks Peter! We love you buddy!
-Bobby in Los Angeles
PS: A little about me, I'm Bobby, I'm 40 and live in LA, I'm legally blind in one eye and totally blind in the other and have had 17 eye surgeries (when I was in my preteen years). I'm very lucky that I can see out of one eye and have just enough vision to get by, I live a pretty normal life but I can't drive a car (maybe one day). My dream is always been to fly an airplane! I am an accomplished pianist and have traveled the world so I'm doing ok :-)
Great information and nice video Captain! Love this channel!!! Give us a wave if you ever fly over Bermuda!!
I remember, short bevor the grounding of Swissair (about t he last 1-2 weeks of Swissair). The crew had to pick up suitcases with cash at the OPS Center at Zurich, so they could /had to pay the fuel, handlingagent, cabincatering in cash right on the spot at the destination.
Gosh, the fuel efficiency has really gone up, thinking that the 707 carried almost twice it's weight in fuel :)
Excellent video, friendly and informative 👍
I remember a few years ago, a reality cable show called "Airline UK" had cameras follow the flight crews at their jobs at discount carrier EasyJet. One flight from UK to Nice, France, the plane was unable to land at Nice due to poor weather that was not improving, and the circling plane had to land at another airport due to low fuel. But it was not an airport that this airline flew to, thus had no prior arrangement with a FBO nor another airline that can service them. So the necessary fuel had to be bought and paid for on the spot. The ELF fuel truck waited on the apron, but they wouldn't take the BP fuel credit card carried by the pilot. The FBO had to negotiate directly with the president of the airline to allow the plane to be refueled and be assured that the bill would be paid for, all the while passengers waiting on the plane.
intresting
He should have been holding an American Express or Visa. Shit, how would you like to fill up a 747 and see that bill?
@@jasoncentore1830 It would make your eyes water.
Wonder if he got nectar points for it.
@@TomPhotoix or air miles.
Really love watching your videos. You really explain every bit in detail.
Please make a video related with Fuel Dumping. What happens if a plane needs to make an emergency landing to a near by airport. And it still has a lot of fuel present in its tank's. Is it necessary to dump the fuel ? What's the max fuel load 737 can carry while landing ?
Thanks.
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@@derektaylor2941 Thanksssss !!
Hi Mentour! I like your videos a lot, so i'been subscribed more than 2 years to your channel.
I'm doing my ATPL Theory now, so i't be great if you could add more technical detail and explanations in your video. Certainly, to the appropriate extent so others could also enjoy the topic.
10:37 the lil doggo so cute
A great video, always wanted to know the answer to this ☺
Yes, 737 Max have possibility to fly over Atlantic, for $499.99 xtra. Passangers who do not pay xtra, will fly into atlantic. :)
As one who spent time as a Fueler at Denver Intl Airport about 20 years ago, a 737 uses about 8 lbs of fuel just to taxi to take off position. The average fuel load depended on the weight of the plane and distance of course. 737's I fueled ran about 1200-1300lbs of fuel on average- not including what was already in the tanks. A 747 I was told by those that fueled them required about 14,000 lbs on top of what was already in the tanks. Our scales measured by the pound and not be the gallon. Eight pounds are roughly 1 gallon- for water anyway. Not sure how close this is to jet fuel. Smells a lot like kerosene. Even if you get none of it on you it permeates your clothing. Trust me, there are no leaks on the flight line unless you mishandle the fuel pipe attaching it to the plane. We did have one guy fueling a 747 that spilled fuel one time (his last) and it caught fire because of the hot engines. So many people around him at the time hit the emergency shut off for the fuel supply (the trucks fueling the planes are only pump trucks- the fuel comes from the ground). Unfortunately he didn't make it.
@Pata Physics The smell goes away once you wash your clothes. Never understood how not being even close to fuel and never touching it how it could permeate the clothes, but my wife said I smelled like jet fuel every time I came home.
@Pata Physics The weight of the hose that you hook up to the aircraft. It's about 80lbs. Holding it above your head while trying to turn the lock sleeve is a bit daunting at first. The other challenging part was the low pay.
@Pata Physics No, like every other job, you get used to it real fast. Muscles. After a few days you attach it like it was a garden hose.
@Pata Physics I only did it in the summer months but my shift was 8 hours.
I love your co-pilot. 🐶
First Officer Doggo. :)
@@EightCrosstown (English speaking) Woof ! :-)
The green pillow on the right,
the red pillow on the left.
this is perfect
Just discovered your channel- great stuff. Your puppy is just icing on the cake !- Rich
Glad you liked it!! Welcome to the channel!
Just looking at this and the LaMia crash near Medellin, the report states that the crew received a low fuel warning 40 mins prior to the last FDR report, though it's not exactly clear in the report if the FDR recorded until the crash or 180nm before the RNG VOR. 40 mins prior to the crash does not give you much reserve, but 40m plus 180mn plus a couple of circuits before the actual impact is quite a bit. Obviously, it was known by the pilots that they would be on fumes by the time the landed in MDE even without the circuits in the hold. Would the minimum requirements of an alternative and a 45min hold at the alternative start to get you in a situation where the plane was telling you low fuel or would you receive the low fuel warnings after those reserves were used up?
Very cool video. Thanks for posting and have a nice day too.
...always learning. Thanks
I work as an aircraft refueller somewhere in Northern Spain (one of the few airports where Ryanair does not operate, so I don't have the chance to meet you one day and say hi) and my experience is that the 737-family is one of the less comfortable planes for us to fuel.
I'm talking about pressure refuelling, there are of course worse planes when talking about overwing (gravity) refuelling, like a King Air ...
I had to climb up a ladder to fuel up the Cessna. A nuisnce in snow.
Great information but I have to admit, I'm also looking at the melted red candle on the table. Yes, people talk about the pillows but it's the candle I look for. You leaned back once and I saw it. HA, still there! Question: when you said the 800 doesn't have the ability to pump fuel from one tank to another, is it because of cost or a safely measure? Thanks
I love these tutorials, so knowledgeable
This isn't a tutorial. Just FYI
The regular guys went somewhere so we refueled a C141 on base and lox liquid oxygen. A plane landed next to us. He did a hard landing as a tire burst and we heard a loud boom. Let go of fuel hose & ducked. We thought the fuel exploded. What timing.
Nearly 500K subscribers!!
Another absolutely fantastic video. Patrean Brian
Peter, congrats for the 500k subscribers!
Excellent video! Your puppy is so sweet
As always very interesting 👍👍
Well done, keep it up!
Really informative 👏🏼
It would be nice to have your view on the "into the night" tv series about flying non stop under hard circumstances and how realistic it is.
About 3 weeks ago an A380 of BA took off from OR TAMBO in SA. The ground crew and the air crew had slipped up. They'd forgotten to remove the nose wheel pin. The nose wheel would not retract after take off. They had to fly around for 3 hours in order to burn about 120 tons of fuel before they could land again at ORT. I'm quite sure this is the only reference on the internet of that incident. I wonder what that faux pax cost BA.
Why didn't the dump the fuel instead of burn it???
I would really like to see Mentour do a video on fuel control systems. Proper AFR is critical in any engine, let alone that of a airliner. No doubt electronic control exists between the throttle levers and the engine itself on anything modern. Curious what actually controls it, and how it is monitored and calculated. Is it just the fuel pump pumping more for more throttle, or a valve (fuel pressure regulator), injector(s), etc? Not seeing any layman explanations that aren't overly simplified out there, and Mentour does a great job bridging the gap between layman and the hardcore science.
737 max is the most fuel efficient aircraft
Cause it doesn’t fly
Haha, yeah..
Andy Herrmann it's so efficient that it doesn't use any at all
when it isn't falling out of the sky
Corporate greed
Fuel hedging at its best ;)
Congrats on 500k (bit early but still)
I remember when the fuel crew would check under the hood and give S&H green stamps.
I just subbed, and I am trying to get you to half a million subs :) Good Job 👍🏼
Just one thing, center tank is in front wheel bay not behind, only if you have extra tanks in aft cargo :)
Any chance of you integrating the new flight simulator into some potential flight education series? maybe some basic ground school, and flight planning? IFR, Airspace for the future sim guys?
40kg per MINUTE ????
Holy crap !!!
My aircraft holds 45kg in total and it will fly for between 4 and 4.5 hours on that !!
It will carry two people around 300 miles on full tanks. When I did my Qualifying Cross Country, the bloody landing fees cost more than the fuel to get to my land-away airport (at one of the stops).
Also, I can burn mogas which is somewhat cheaper than avgas or jet A in the UK.
It's not the fastest bird up there, but it's a lot of fun... and for spectacular views, you cannot beat open-cockpit !
But now calculate your passenger-mile fuel cost.
Hi Mentour!
First I love your videos and very appreciate that.
I saw the video about the fuel system but I have a question about something:
Why is there a difference between the total fuel displayed on the upper DU and the fuel count in the FMC progress page?
And your flight plan fuel detail is by the FMC count or by the DU count?
Thanks!
Good info. love it.
Watch all your videos. Well done sir. That puppy needs some love though!
Love these more technical videos. Don’t really care whether pilots wear caps or not. 😀. An idea for a future video: are the lessons and procedures taught by Captain Warren Vanderburgh in the 1990’s, on upset recovery, still valid today.
"four tequilas of fuel"
Nice puppy!does he/she accompany you on your flights....thanks for explanation on fuel hedging.our local airline recently lost millions when price of oil went down a lot so its quite a risky move?
Nice vid, thanks.
I worked at st louis intl in the early 90s we pumped 2 million gals a week TWA was at its peak the average md 80 took 2200 gals each.
I like the port and starboard pillows!
And why 1080/60 as opposed to 1080/30?
Thanks Mentour
I trust that I am not the first person to notice that your sofa pillows are correctly placed!!!
HAPPY 500K CAPTAIN!