War on the Sea - U.S. Campaign - 11 - High Altitude Bombing
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- Опубликовано: 5 окт 2024
- Let's play the newly released War on the Sea, a WW2 naval combat strategy game. This latest release from Killerfish unleashes the Pacific theater of operations, with carrier battles and surface action, including all that on a campaign fight for Guadalcanal.
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Command ships, submarines and aircraft in the South Pacific during WWII.
1942: The world is at war
The Japanese Empire expands throughout the Pacific where Allied forces attempt to halt its spread. A desperate struggle for control of the Solomon Islands is now underway.
How will you protect your transports as they deliver troops and supplies in the South Pacific? Will you deploy precious aircraft carriers to provide air cover? Do you screen the area with submarines? Or attempt to lure the enemy navy into a decisive surface engagement?
Major Features:
Real time naval combat
Theatrical external-view game play
Play as Allied Forces or Imperial Japan
Over 50 classes of playable ships
Dynamic campaign
Tactical control of aircraft (not a flight simulator)
Fight fires, counter flood compartments and repair ships
Sink ships using realistic buoyancy physics
Historical missions based on actual naval engagements
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The Myoko got absolutely savaged so one of the DDs just strait up fainted
The reason the range appears longer vertically rather than horizontally is because probably due to the map using the Mercator projection, which inflates the size of land masses on the top and bottom of maps. It’s the standard map for navigation, so it would make sense that the phenomenon happens in this game. Hopefully that explained it decently, if not, someone can explain it better than I can.
Pretty easy to pickle barrel a ship from 8000 ft when it doesn't try to dodge.
Our pilots will omit this detail in their AARs.
Lt. Cmdr. Adrian Dunois. USS Enterprise (CV-6)
Leroy and I are still floating in our life raft. We’ve been drifting across the waves for a while now, making idle chat and bad jokes, trying to think about what we have waiting for us at home, and trying not to think that we may never see home again., I just hope they aren’t occupied by the Japanese. My watch is broken, but just looking at the sun, it's only been a few hours, but it feels like so much longer, the sun unrelenting and the salty waves occasionally lapping over into our raft are probably not great for our long term survival.
They found us. The lone destroyer from a mostly destroyed task force plucked us out of the sea. I think the crew wanted to kill us, but instead they just beat us, tossed us around and tormented us, being careful not to accidentally kill us. My Japanese is a bit rusty, but from what I was able to tell, they were reading to take us to one of their bases, and have us “properly interrogated.” I didn’t think this would ever happen.I’m aching, bleeding and starved, somewhere is an IJN Destroyer.
Twin explosions suddenly rocked the rear of the destroyer, causing the ship to shudder violently, and her crew to scurry around frantically. Shortly after, the ship rocked again, from near misses this time. There was a short lull, where all we coil here were splashes of missed bombs, before everything erupted in flame. The compartment we were in was heavily damaged, with the guards disoriented, incapacitated or dead, and the cell door broke. Leroy and I made a break for it, two of the guards quickly intervened. A scuffle ensued, and eventually I was able to grasp my pistol, which had been left unloaded, but out in the open on a table, and strike him with the weapon.. I struck again and again, before turning to face Leroy. Leroy’s attacker knocked him down and pounced atop him, landing blow after blow. I searched for the magazine, loaded the weapon and aimed. I didn’t want to hit Leroy, I was hesitant. The guard reared up, a piece of debris in his, ready to strike, so I fired. Once twice, three times. One hit, the second went wide and the third grazed the guard's shoulder. No longer in immediate danger, we needed to find a way off the stricken ship, but it was sinking quickly. There didn’t seem to be many Japanese sailors left on the ship, and those that remained seemed to have little interest in evacuating. We found a small life boat, and left the ship, seeing it slip beneath the waves, burning brightly. I took out a flare and shot it skywards, hoping that it would be seen by whoever made the attack. I looked skywards and could hardly believe my eyes. It looked like Dauntless bombers, but high up. Really high up. To our relief a flare was fired from one of the airplanes, arcing it’s way down to the waves. There’s still hope.
Floatplanes. OS2U Kingfishers. I never thought I’d be so happy to see one of the damned things. Three kingfishers, from the cruisers of TF10. When VB-6 reached Enterprise and learned of Flights of Kingfishers being used as scouts, they requested that some be detached to fill the roll of a makeshift search and rescue group to look for downed airmen. We were lucky. We were still relatively close to where we were last seen, so they didn’t have to look far to look. Rescue for others is less likely, but at least there’s hope.
Two of the kingfishers were only crewed by their pilots to allow for rescued pilots to sit in the rear of the aircraft. Leroy and I were taken to TF10, and from there back to port. They debriefed us and checked into the hospital. We were dehydrated, burned, cut, bruised, and I know something hit my arm, either bullet or shrapnel, but I hope we’ll be ready to fly by the time Enterprise makes it home.
Notes: I was kind of worried after last episode, I wasn't quite expecting Adrian to be downed, so I had to do quite a bit of thinking to keep him at least somewhat involved in the story, and I'm glad it's working out so far. Keep up the good work, and thank you for these wonderful videos.
Fair winds and following seas.
Quickly liberated. Yes, I'd say that worked out almost miraculously for our air crew.
@@TortugaPower I suppose that it did feel a bit rushed, but I still wanted to comment on the contents of the series from an in-universe P.O.V. That being said, I did leave some aspects to chance, as I have a trusty set of die that I used to decide whether I would follow through on an Idea or not. The choice of them being on the destroyer, for example, was one of these "Chance rolls"
@@luked7525 Keep the stories comming and the dice rolling. Even though I'm catching up on the series I look forward to reading these after each episode.
These episodes are the highlights of my day rn
Not THE highlight, but still something to look forward to.
@@bugwar5545 nah i literally have nothing else to do during this fcking lockdown
same
Yes.
Its actually better to leave the battle while the fire is burning. I just completed the tutorial for this game and it says that if an enemy ship is burning and heavily damaged when you leave the battle, there is a chance for it to be scuttled. However, it's only scuttled if it is on fire the moment you leave, so you should try to leave the battle before the fires burn out instead of waiting for them to do the most damage, as the damage will eventually be repaired. (Also, the destroyer may have been sunk by a collusion with the second myoko!)
Hi Peter. I guess the chance of scuttling is very small, and requires critical damage to flooding and structure. We only had heavy for each. It seems almost always better to see if the fire kills the ship (if you can spare the time)
@@TortugaPower I think your right, I’ve left a heavy cruiser on critical damage and flooding for many encounters and they didn’t scuttle her; she just spontaneously sank halfway throa fight
@@TortugaPower yea in my experience is the same... if you leave without the ship being sunk, it will continue in the minimap and as a part of a TF despite being a floating wreck
@@TortugaPower Oh okay, I didn't know that. It said in the manual that the chance of scuttling is based on flooding and number of fires. I might ask the devs on the Steam discussions page to get a definitive answer. Anyway, keep up the good work. Enjoying the vids so far.
Min maxers assemble
finally its here. been refreshing my browser for the last 20 minutes
I feel you!
Don't know if you saw my comment on an earlier vid, but it's worth remembering the INHERENT SPOTTING RANGE of bases. The values for Ports and Airfields STACK, so that means you get one for a port and one for an airfield. The airfield ones are much greater.
I mention this because it's possibly worth thinking about when moving submarines, for example. No USN sub skipper CHOSE to spend time near Japanese air bases if it could be avoided, or at least spent the day submerged if not, because the one thing subs DON'T want to do is give their position away until it's revealed by them sinking something.
I'd not be surprised if the game isn't too sophisticated in how the AI responds to sightings, but it's a more "realistic role play" idea to know the spotting ranges of bases and plot courses accordingly.
I also note you're not bothering to check the weather, although that is REALLY important when it comes to chances of spotting things, or of course being spotted. I suspect viewers might like to learn it IS able to be shown and how to do so. I happen to leave it ON the whole time.
Just thought I'd put these thoughts forward again in case you'd not seen them.
If you have and don't care, that's entirely your right, LOL.
Cheers
Maybe this is a good reason to push my subs a little further away from Rabaul. After ep.12 (done already) I may do this
@@TortugaPower Wait! Episode 12 is done??? Let's see it! Your series makes my day!
@@TortugaPower As a 5/5 base, Rabaul has a detection range of 185nm under optimal conditions that will be reduced according to weather and time of day. The specifics for each level of Port and Airfield are displayed on the "Rules" page, opened via a button on the "Campaign Summary" screen.
It's another reason I like to keep the weather displayed as it can give an idea as to how well various bases may be spotting things, including MY bases.
Cheers
I don't think I've clenched more while watching wargame series on YT. Thanks!
I'm happy to hear that ... I think. =)
@@TortugaPower lol
None of the other tubers I'm currently watching, and that's about five or so, have ever bothered to try the tutorials or even glance at the manual. I'm really enjoying your playthrough, especially because you understand the game mechanics. Almost every tuber out there follows the same trend of just jumping right in and hoping for the best. Thank goodness that's not you. Good luck in game!
Thank you! I'm glad to see my initial investment is appreciated.
@@TortugaPower Absolutely!
Watch’s wolfpack365 ijn campaign
First: Sorry for my english. My native language is german. :-)
Very strange: I found a convoy (2 destroyer, 2 heavy cruiser and freighter. I identified all of them)). I attacked the convoy, sunk a Heavy cruiser with my bombers and leave the battlefield. I lost contact to the convoy but after 1 hour ingame time i found the convoy again and attacked the enemy with a second wave of divebombers. But the convoy had again 2 Destroyers, 2 Heavy Cruiser and freighter. And one Cruiser ,the one I hit before, was a different Heavy Cruiser. I can't believe that there were a second convoy next to the convoy i found first... No enemy port was in the area.
Did you ID ships while you attack them and on a second attack wave (after you loose contact for a very short time) you found different ships and destroyed ships were intact?
I have in fact found 2 convoys in almost the exact same location (around ep. 5), so that's my guess about these things.
Although it means the AI is getting an enormous amount of command points...
To answer your question at 14:24 yes you launched three Kingfishers at 3:30 lol
if you are going to attack anything heavy you should use AP so they go through the deck
Depends what your attacking with, if you're attacking a heavy cruiser with a light cruiser, then you're better off using high explosive because AP won't get through anything that's has heavy armour.
Using HE can set them on fire which can be just as effective at destroying ships as AP can be some times.
38:21 The hit was so powerful that broke 1 dimension
"all drop" works bit you need to select more plane than just leader
Thank you, fixed in future videos.
They really need to update wind into the bomb drops.
You should try more skip bombing, there is nothing more fun than slamming a 2000lb bomb into the side of a Japanese CA.
Last episode he skip bombed into a Japanese transport
@@piecharb.1343 and lost 3 B17s in the process. there is a reason skip bombing with 17s was only done at night
The distances are the same, 345 NM is still the same as 345 NM, I checked with my fingers.
That is the standard way to check for distances.. I checked as well and yes it was the same.. I imagine they measured distance the same way during the second world war. hehehe
Apparently it WAS possible to HEAR an aircraft if it passed overhead at not too great an altitude and the sub wasn't very deep. Dick O'Kane mentions exactly that in one or both of his books, "Wahoo" (about his time as Exec of the USS Wahoo) and "Clear the Bridge" (about the combat patrols of USS Tang of which he was the CO). Both make for fantastic reading for anyone interested in hearing about this aspect of the Pacific war from someone who was there and ended up with one of the greatest records of any USN sub skipper (he was also awarded the Medal of Honor).
I suppose it makes sense as the sound waves from the plane will hit the water then travel through it to some extent. Obviously conditions etc would play a large part, although it doesn't make much sense for the contact to be lost while overhead yet regained as it got further away. I've suspect that's a side effect of sensor programming in the game, just as the air search radar in Silent Hunter 4 gave you the bearing and plotted it on the map despite the fact that the USN air search radar in at least the first few years only gave range, NOT bearing (they were lazy in how they updated SH4 from SH3).
Cheers
Can’t get enough of his campaign . This is the first game I have enjoyed watching others play than take the time to play and learn it. Can’t wait to see this game develop into all regions and navies .
Can you show the ships sinking a little bit? I rlly want to see the animations some more!
yessss this is the shit that gets me though my work day
Loving this series! Plane assaults are paying off, but it does seem like the Japanese are pumping out bigger fleets. I recon a bigger naval battle is near.
Yeah their fleets are huge, this represents an enormous commitment from the IJN.
@@TortugaPower I wonder how much longer the airplanes can hold out for? Seems like they're catching onto the air patrols
By the way, you can avoid unfavourable air engagements by just running away if you don't want to bother.
unfortunatly, bailing out doesn't seem an option ... pilots are expendable :(
I know I’ve posted this on another vid, I’m relatively new to your channel and have been binge watching your old content I just wanted to say because of your Distant Worlds Universe play through I started playing again and now have an actual love for the game. So I gotta say thank you for reversing my mind on a game I thought was bad and actually teaching as you went through.
That is great to hear, Seth!
This is a great series! Great job pounding the enemy. Can't wait for the next installment.
Really nice videos. Looking forward to them every day. I got an idea. Perhaps you can keep Enterprise around untill the transports return and build a better airfield at Renell Island. This way you will have strike capabilities in the area and can send the enterprise back to replenish without loosing the air support.
I took a ruler to the monitor at ~15:00, and those two distances are exactly the same. I think it's just an optical illusion that makes the N-S one look longer.
Two can be as bad as one, it's the loneliest number since the number one... Also, I just got to say that I dislike the way you look away from the target to try and spot the incoming ordnance, just my opinion. Great video yet again, thank you for the entertainment.
I appreciate such respectful feedback, thanks Sands.
@@TortugaPower Sorry if that comment was a downer, it's just my eyesight is so poor I can't see them drop and I am fearing that we will miss the point of impact when they make contact. You often talk about seeing the incoming planes too and I just never see them until they are quite close to the target, a good thing I am not a ship's spotter.
Why not send all your bombers (dive and torpedo) at once? It would overwhelme the anti air by coming in high and low.
Yes, this is effective. It's also effective to use them separately, with the tradeoff being amount of down-time for the formations.
I'm gonna bet that the minor damage on the other myoko is because it rammed dd 6 in it's avoidance maneuvers.
It would be interesting if you could summarize the US ships lost vs. the IJN ships lost at the beginning of the next episode.
Yes, I should.
This was another great episode! Fantastic ending too. You sank a ship you didn’t attack, how cool is that? I find myself looking for the next installment every day. You gave me hooked.
I am not sure if it has been said but quite often if you start an encounter with an enemy plane at periscope depth it means you have a enemy convoy on the vicinity.
If it hasn't, this will become relevant in the next episode (and yes, you're right)
I was really hoping that the Minekazi was going to get revenge, but I guess it wasn't meant to be.
We may or may not see her again (or at least pretend that we do)
You almost had me measuring my monitor
Just an idea, I would've sent the Enterprise task Force to Port Moresby as at least then it would be in combat much earlier raiding near Rabaul, then sending it to Vanuatu since then it would take some time to get back to combat in my opinion.
I would think the AP would best against ships, punching deeper down and starting fires on multiple levels, HE for use on land targets and oil tankers. Not sure if that’s modeled as a game mechanic, but from the early vids where you showed the internal structure of your destroyers, it is my guess? But for sure, an AP bomb would really mess up a cruiser. The irony of Leyte Gulf is the Japanese thought they were engaging Halsey’s battleships, cruisers, and fleet carriers when it was really Taffy 3 made of destroyers, destroyer escorts, and pocket carriers instead, and as a result the AP shells meant for fleet ships simply passed clean through and exploded harmlessly in the water many dozens of yards away... even the Johnston managed to keep coming back over and over because they had AP shells thrown at them, even in the final fight they turned the ship into Swiss cheese and still did not have the common sense of using HE shells on it. Only at the very end did the Japanese switch to HE and finish off Hoel and Samuel B. Roberts, but by then the bear that was Japan had been stung by enough angry American bees that they left the battle, and the Yamato proved to be the biggest non-factor. So historically: HE vs DD, AP for Cruiser and up. Game mechanics? I don’t really know. Maybe try dropping three AP bombs on the other cruiser? Call it a “experiment”, see which type of bomb delivers a better reef to help the fish repopulate Iron Bottom Sound? Love the series! Glad I found out about you from a... uhh... “incident” involving a Bf110 and a Wolfpack. Totally going through the playlists... oh, and your sub in the video wanted to impress because it knows you captained the SEAWOLF twice before, so it was ready to dodge already!
If I have some time, I'll do an experiment with the 3x AP off-camera and share the results.
I'm lucky right now. I've just watched the first 11 episodes one after the other. Shows I'm enjoying this series a great deal. At this point I have one query. Why oh why didn't you send at .least one submarine into Iron Bottom Sound before now? It's ground zero for winning the game and capturing Guadalcanal. Dominating this area as early as possible would be my first move. Anyhow please keep them coming. THANKS.
Heya 🤘🏻
I found out, that when you set courses with planes on time 1x or higher they will stay at the last point and won't return automaticly;)
Keep on your Let's play!!! It's great!!!!
Seems it Was a bug ;'-(
Just wanted to say, according to historical records from wildcat pilots... Zero is better in almost every regard, except armour and self sealing fuel tanks... So, at the begining of the war - that wildcat - zero encounter might as well end up like that... Pilots were trained to use head-on passes and "boom and zoom" tactics - without turning dog fights. They were, luckily exchanged for hellcats quite fast, which were better.
Put you submarines at choke points (places where the sea is narrow). This will increase their likelihood of spotting/interception.
Since this video is about cheesy tactics, I saw some potential with the b 17s being used to counter zeros. On a stream by the historical gamer, a formation of about 9 b17s were intercepted by zeros and actually faired better than wildcats. If i remember correctly, the losses were 2 b 17s and 7 zeros. Might be something worth looking into.
Nine B17s in box formation will shoot down eight zeros at the loss of two to three bombers every time.
B17s are called flying fortresses for a reason
you should do an L pattern on your scouts... like i.e. if your wildcats have a 350nm you should do a straight 290nm line in one direction and then a 90 degree turn to left or right for the last 60nm. This way you get one traveling route when you go and then another differemt route when you come back, ending up in a triangular shape final route for the scout
That's in fact how navys did scouting in WW2 and it is still used today
Yeah, I think I've covered this in the previous videos. I used to but waypoints are bugged right now.
Hello! I noticed one small detail You might be missing in the game like this. Aircraft search patterns, both sides used it from 1941 to 1945 as the most efficient way of spotting enemy warships. Sending the planes one way and back is not optimal. Sending them in "L" like pattern, you could cover a greater area with those planes. Look it up, maybe it will help, maybe not ;)
I love the gameplay btw, I'm thinking about getting the game for my self thanks to You. Cheers!
I agree. I wasn't using L shapes because there was a bug with waypoints.
if only this game would have the looks and aerial combat of Steel Division II
okay this tactic is straight up broken, I think KFG will patch this somehow.
Like if the AI began evasive maneuvers, even the simplest ones.
Great series man, your gonna go far
Check plz. I think, your wildkats can carry some payload
I know I’m 4 months late to the request party but I really hope later on you do timelapses of skipped parts or something along those lines it’s so cool just watching everything move around :3
All those Zeros. Does this mean a IJN CV?
You may well know this already, but just as the USA's level 1 airfields have 4 Wildcats, the Japanese have 4 Zeros.
As the airfield gets increased in level it gets more and different types. The Japanese start with quite a few airfields further north, and the Zero has an excellent rage (or at least it OUGHT to, not sure how accurately the game has reflected correct performances).
It's possible, therefore, that they're simply coming from various airfields. In fact one rather silly aspect of the game is if you use up all your planes through poor tactics etc, as soon as the base is able to launch again you AUTOMATICALLY GETS FULL REPLACEMENT. They're essentially unsinkable, inexhaustible plane factories.
Sub start at periscope deep when enemy ships close to your positions
Maybe save the HE for land targets and maybe transports/ oilers and the AP for the warships.
I mean it seemed to do pretty okay dmg to CAs
FYI New Hebrides are pronounced Heb-ree-deez (as in Dezz Nuts)
You have been gambled by the MYOKO😅 nc one AI✌️
How come you are controlling the bombing manually instead of letting the ai handle it
Having some fun. It seems overpowered to do so though.
@@TortugaPower well the fun is definitely transferring over, also what if u got another carrier task force, they seem to have been the most effective for u so far
@@andrewmcfall71 I mean tortuga talked about that in this very video... He does need more points to do so
Maybe the distance difference compensates for the curvature of the earth? cus ya it does seem longer when going up then left
love this series
If the aspect ratio of your monitor is off the viewers aren't going to be able to see it.
What does upgrading ports do?
The a6m2 zero is a superior aircraft then the wildcat
Don't forget that the zero had 20mm guns while the wildcat didn't
Yes the wildcat did have more armor but that was about the only advantage it had the zero was faster more agile more range and had better armament
Don't know if this is represented in the game
The wildcat had equal the firepower of the zero...
@@gotanon8958 the wild cat had there 0.50(12.2mm) inch 4x machine guns vs the a6m zero that had 2x 20mm and 2x 7.7mm
Annnd here it is
Does anyone know how to repair ships?
I think you have to send them back to at least a level 3 port..
Yes, MrFire is right, and then you disband them. They will return fixed.
I really don’t enjoy watching the manual bombing runs. Very twitchy and frustrating
Could've called this episode bullying. Heh.
can you air bomb (b17) enemy bases?
guys my vals (dive bombers) keep crashing in the water after a bombing run pls help.
Omg it's my first time being first