Because rhino isn't often used to document projects. It is a conceptual tool that is mainly used for, early concept and then never touched again. But it is a great program none the less
@@DavidTomic If you're advising which to learn, it's probably important to state that Rhino fills gaps in Revit that Sketchup doesn't. Revit's native modelling tools struggle with stairs and railings more complex than a fire escape, and Sketchup's meshes don't work as well as Rhino's NURBS solids. Rhino lets you easily model and 3D print fabrication or construction detail models, convert assets between weird file formats, and get stuck into the database with Grasshopper. It's a swiss army knife that works for both students and Tier 1 firms.
@@izoyt While I like using Rhino for modeling, it isn't just an industry standard for documentation. Try coordinating with MEP engineers or GCs. You can still find a way to do it, but the workflow would be horrible.
Only on modeling alone you have much more freedom with rhino. Grasshopper alone its a monster itself that brings sooooo much power to the design process through computational design and with rhino.inside revit you can model on rhino and translate all this geometry to native revit objects, which jumps the gab of remodeling everything again and make a continued workflow between an architecture model and a BIM model and viceversa. In the otherhand, sketchup sucks with interoperability bc it works with meshes and looses a lot of information in the processes. And it's a perpetual license. You also miss blender, it's free and it's bringing visual programming to the table too. 3d max, maya and cinema 4d are widely use for modeling. we haven't even touch all the adobe and like programs for graphics too. I think architects use way more programs out of this list, not only rendering, mesh model and cad.
Autodesk did not create rivet they bought it From a group of engineers that created the software for engineers later, they try to integrate it for architecture, which is absolute nonsense. Archicad, on the other hand, was created for architects.
Charles River Software created Revit for architects and designers, Revit was never meant to be an engineering software. I don't know where you get that info, but it's so false.
Their is a lot of confusion in your talk. Please understand the difference between a Architecture Design Package ( CAD or BIM), a 3D Modeling / Animation package, and a Rendering package ( Lighting and texturing included). Lumion and Vray and others like Octane, Arnold..are all for Rendering work and do not compete but work with, rather give the 3 Models a realistic look and movement. So they can work with 3D Max, Cinema 4D, Blender, Sketch-Up, or even Maya, Rhino,....! Twinmotion and Escape may look easy but need a Game Engine to run. AutoCAD, ArchiCad, Revit, and heavy list of specialized CAD pakages from Autodesk are more of Designing packages. They may or may not be used for Architectural Visualisation work / pipeline. These understanding, is important, first and foremost.!
If you are actually reading these comments, just know that this video is providing info local to Australia. In the USA, Revit is by far more expensive per year. There is no perpetual license offered on any Autodesk software anymore, so you are destined to be a subscriber forever and subject to Autodesk's ever increasing prices and random license models. Archicad has both perpetual and subscription licenses in the USA and it's quite a bit cheaper per year, especially when you factor in the cost of cloud collaboration software which is basically a requirement to use BIM the way it was intended. David's comment is right regarding the steep learning curve of Revit. I first started learning revit in 2009 and still am not 100% confident in it the way I am in Autocad and SketchUp. Also, Autodesk did not originally create Revit. The acquired it because they are basically trying to become an AEC software monopoly. The issue is that in the USA, Revit has weaseled its way into probably 9 out of 10 architecture firms (via AutoCAD) and Autodesk's relentless marketing makes everyone assume that it's "industry standard". They also have convinced architecture schools of this, so unless you desire to think outside the box, you end up using Revit whether or not it is actually a good piece of software.
Why have you ignored Vectorworks? I have found it to be the best for me and TwinMotion is free. It also works a lot better with IFC files than Revit does.
@@DavidTomic , they ought to :-) More cost effective than ArchiCAD and far superior than any AutoDesk product. In fact Vectorworks’s company owns Graphisoft and both ArchiCAD and Vectorworks were based on the same Hungarian core software that had been written by architects for architects (unlike AutoDesk). In essence both Vectorworks and ArchiCAD ‘think’ the way architects do, AutoDesk software ‘thinks’ like a computer geek :-)
glad to hear someone not shit on archicad for once! :) archicad user here too, student, learning revit has been an indescribable torture to me for months, i wish it was easier or that i had started with it in since the beginning
Woah...why is Archicad so expensive in Australia? I pay around 3.500 € for one ArchiCARD license, which is the all inlcusive option, that can be updated every year to the newest year for around 300 € or you just leave it there with the version you bought. Or Lumion? It only costs 1.500 € per license or 3.000 € for the Pro license. But the Autodesk products on the other hand are cheaper than in Europe. Autocad costs 2.400 € per year and Revit 3.900 € per year, which is incredibly expensive, if you think about the fact that it's only available in the abonnement model. I guess that might be the reason why Archicad is absolutely predominant in Europe (except the UK). It's just cheaper here.
That is a very cheap price! Even at the current conversation rate it is cheap. You do get discounts as you add licenses here. If you had a few (unsure of the exact number) it's drops down to about $8.5k AUD which is closer to your €3500. Upgrade fees are about $1500/yr/license though
David, you missed Chief Architect. I've been happily using it for many years. 1. It has a fast learning curve compared to the other products mentioned here. 2. It has many productivity features that automate the most common design tasks such as floors, ceilings, roofs, stairs, terrain modeling. The more work-intensive design techniques are only needed for the most complex use cases. 3. High-quality rendering is built in. 4. There is a huge library of 3D objects and textures including commercial products from many well known product suppliers. 5. There is a huge library of excellent tutorial videos available here on RUclips. 6. Imports/Exports DWG/DXF files. I'm currently working with someone using Revit and we exchange files easily. 7. Cheaper versions of the product (Home Designer for example) are available with some of the advanced features disabled. 8. The technical support from the vendor team is outstanding, and the software is frequently updated throughout the year. I suggest that you watch some of the excellent videos here to see what I mean.
I think you were remiss in not including Chief Architect in your review. It outperforms Autocad when it comes to 3D rendering, is less expensive, and has a lot of features.
We use such building stones to build in our country,how can you use it to build exterior walls with archicad to appear this real?I have tried to find these stones severally in archicad with zero succes.Please help
@@DavidTomic That's interesting. I know a bunch of architectural firms who are using it in Australia as I encounter their drawings a lot. Its also heavely used as the industry standard for entertainment design worldwide, and here in oz.
Thanks Dave. Really liking your content. Keep it up. I'll be using a combo of ArchiCAD, 3dsMAX and UE5. I pretty much don't know how to use any of them but I am going to get there soon enough.
The first nobody likes to admit about Revit is that you still need AutoCAD. Autodesk pushes users down the 'AEC Collection' route in order to try and justify the high subscription fees. Most drawings issued to construction sites still have at least a 'dash' of AutoCAD in them. The second thing nobody (in an office that is) wants to admit about Revit is that drawings produced in Revit, and the specific nature of the errors in those drawings, create a massive amount of issues on construction sites. It's partially the fault of the users themselves, but the software has some issues. I'm sure same goes for every BIM program out there. I'm just more experienced with Revit drawings and I'm able to see similar errors from multiple consultants which are generally exclusive to Revit drawings (I can tell Revit drawings apart from others). BricsCAD BIM: Nobody uses it. Like absolutely nobody. They've paid RUclipsrs to help promote them, but they have very little content on creating actual construction drawings. If you disagree, look up their videos on how to draw a section. It's also not new; it's actually been in development a very long time and hasn't really gone anywhere. Worse yet, it's pulled resources away from the main BricsCAD platform and what was once the best AutoCAD alternative has now fallen behind the other CAD-clones.
You absolutely do not need AutoCAD to complete working drawings in Revit in probably 95% of cases (if you know what you are doing and use Revit's tools correctly). I can't tell you how many jobs I have been praised on by construction companies, city planners, ect that were solely drawn in Revit or how many AutoCAD based drawing sets I have had to re-work in Revit because the project was designed incorrectly.
@@JacobBanman Well... first off, a project designed incorrectly is independent of the program used to draft/3D model it. That has nothing to do with AutoCAD/Revit. My comment about AutoCAD reads "you still need AutoCAD". That doesn't mean they are necessarily using AutoCAD for the actual drawings (but most do), it means they need AutoCAD to open/process/edit other things. After all, you have AutoCAD as part of your AEC subscription, and it gets used. In some situations it's just the best tool for the job. Trying to shoe-horn Revit into doing a task it's not well suited for is a huge reason why office productivity has actually gone down in recent years. As far as the "praise" you've mentioned, I've seen the complete opposite: Most work done in Revit is garbage. Most BIM technicians don't understand the projects they work on as well as their 2D drafting predecessors. This is becoming a bigger and bigger problem every year.
@@randomCADstuff then the BIM technicians you have worked with are the problem, not the software itself. Anyone skilled enough in Revit can accurately model almost anything without requiring access to a CAD file; is it sometimes nice? Sure, but it is not really "required" as you say it is. Yes there are quirks in the software but I have yet to run into something I was not able to solve solely in Revit. I almost never use CAD these days; I still have it on my system but I bet you it's been over a year (probably closer to two) since I have actually opened or used it.
You could be more clear in the beginning that this is for your country. Maybe the viewer should understand stat. Prices differ in different areas. Archicad as we use is way cheaper than you suggest at least in Sweden. Also for an office of more than one person the question of floating network licenses is crucial. Some soft doesn't even have floating licenses...
and he probably speaks in australian dollars. speaking about accent is silly, if we re talking about "international" youtube channel. stop this clickbaits, its so outdated..
My budget stack: Blender for design and visualization, and nanoCAD for drafting. nanoCAD has really surprised me as a comprehensive, and very actively maintained alternative to AutoCAD. Pen compatible and looks great on my 2K graphics tablet. Well worth checking out!
Sketchup user, and every time some architecture person sees my work, goes like wow!, you use revit right. Sketchup and layout combo are sleeper architectural software
@@DavidTomic, thank goodness. I know what the cost is in the USA and thought maybe your local reseller was ripping you off. LOL. Love your videos. Keep up the great work.
Nice software review, although is too bad that you missed Blender. It is advancing so fast that in a few years it would be everywhere in all sort of industries. Beside the fact that it’s completely free Cycles renderer gives you one of the bast results that you can imagine. It basically can compete with Corona and V-ray.
@@DavidTomic I'm currently using an Omen 16 but Im struggling with Lumion Livesync to render my 4th year project. Any advice to sort this out will really be appreciated.
I think Cinema 4D has more advantages than 3ds Max in many ways but people don't know much about it! C4D has a direct link (livesync) with programs like Archicad and Vectorworks because they are from the same company! Cinema 4D is easier to animate compared to 3ds Max and it doesn't need all those plugins for animation like Max! C4D has Redshift as native render engine and a much friendlier interface, it's suitable for motion design! And you can use Arnold, Corona and Octane as well!
David let me ask please..im a builder and want to design my own home from foundation up. Im skilled with design but not software. This will be a one time build. The home will have many features such as a walkout basement so ill need piers heads etc. Load bearing lollys...what woukd you recommend for a one time but excellent for presentation to township who by the way does not require an architect seal
Archicad is the quickest to learn in my opinion. Revit is the cheapest per month. All have student licenses which you could technically try and get. Sketchup could do the job and it will basically be free but will take longer to document. Depending on what your local authorities requires and what file formats your engineers need too will determine the best software.
I am restarting my career in Architecture design I have experience in Revit but I am confused what to use as a rendering software , Esncape or Unreal engine 5 ?? Your ideas ?
Enscape is easier and has good quality result. Unreal has a harder and longer learning curve but created better products. Suggest looking at twinmotion too
I’ve used ArchiCAD exclusively for the first 17 years of my architectural career. It’s time for me to learn some more about Revit and get hands on with it to expand my skill set. Any advice?
Try find a good course and stick to it. Trying to learn revit with an archicad background is handwork because everything is different. Plenty of good youtubers out there with free courses, check out Balkan Architect as a starting point
@@jerardyu9677 , why? I used Revit for 20 years and it could never handle the BIM standard format IFC format files well. In fact the LT version used to (does it still?) strip out all IFC info from every file it opened! AutoDesk have always been more about sales and hype and marketing and rarely about a product truly useable by architects. No doubt very useful for engineers, technicians and technologists, but not architects.
If I say I am a Blender guy I might get killed here but yall can try it, it's free. I used 3ds max and vray for 5 years, now I replaced it with Blender also I got rid of Lumion because blender dose every I want. I have been using blender for 2 years now and it's getting better every year.
The only reason I haven't gotten into Blender is because by the time it matures, I'll be too old. I decided to invest my time in Rhino and stick to boring old AutoCAD. There's plenty of potential and many promising plugins being developed (including at least one for BIM/Architecture). It just takes a bit of time to get into. I might still try it!
@@randomCADstuffblender is really good for architecture on modeling and rendering, if you want it as a bim software yeah, don't think about it, I personally use Revit and make renders on blender
Thanks for the video David! What do you think of this combination: - modelling in archicad - rendering in twinmotion with a plugin Starting my arch journey at eth zurich this september and you have helped me a lot!
@@raphaelbeutler1421 Hi Raphael! Talking from my education experience, you will need a 3d modelling software to that duo and I definitely recommend you Rhino. You can also add Adobe Indesign and Photoshop there. If you have these 5 tools, you will never struggle with producing high end works. Good luck!
Revit is my baby LOL. I bought a mac last year, thinking that I would never do anything with architecture again, but then this year I got the opportunity to maybe enter the field again... Revit is still not optimized for mac... so I am trying Sketchup.... Sketchup is kicking my butt.... I have to say that I didn't have a hard time learning Revit as I am having with Sketchup
many top firms are using SKETCHUP then pass onto drafties on AUTOCAD or REVIT all about speed and getting to council and clients ASAP for residential then if your on government projects some stipulate REVIT
All depends on where in the world you live. All of these programs are used by firms just in what order and how frequently is the difference. Sketchup is very popular for basic design
@@faresjawad3096 I know I use it for quick development concepts all good . But firms are still using autocad LT and multiple programs some have there details in autocad and engineers all on autocad and surveyors You may have designers and few guys on sketchup and presentation side of things I have autocad LT revit LT sketchup pro and VRAY
@@DavidTomic I have seen top Melbourne firms job adds SKETCHUP AUTOCAD REVIT all in the one Instagram post and spoken to few firms and have worked 30 years in building and worked in firms These days you have to be multi skilled it's like a draw full of pens they all work differently I can see most concepts on Instagram by firms sketchup the line work and surface painted and vegetation it's so quick in vray
@@Simon-Simon-Simon OK just take a look at the 3dbascsmp 2018 .. title big cad in sketchup , and c the transition and how they save thousands of dollars and cut the time by 70% faster .
33 years using AutoCad. It's like getting stuck in a biosphere. Very hard to get out of it, although I gave up the upgrade race when they went to the money-grabbing subscription model. Old guy rant, sorry. Using SketchUp and have taught both in college. Love seeing the young students using all the 3D marvels out there. Wish I had the time and patience to learn all that myself.
I think it doesn't matter what program you know as long as you know the fundamentals of construction and how to detail, anyone can produce amazing work. Maybe oneday you'll find the time to learn something like revit which is in the same family as autocad :)
Hey there Mate, loving the compare & contrast vids, I personally favor Revit + Enscape, they make a real good combo, take care, hope for some more content!!!
I just must comment this (i know it is clickbait, but still): Every architectural software? Architects usually have decent dose of intelligence and experience (students included), so please, no more of this childish click baits. - if we start with architectural "bim" software, how about Allplan, Vectorworks (owned by same group as Arhicad, for f sake), Acadbau, Edificius, Archline.xp etc..? - Bricscad was primary substitute for autocad 2d, after that it evolve in quasi architectural bim sofware. also., there are many other Autocad "clones" after Autodesk's exclusive rights on cad software code expiries. - There are many other rendering software worth mentioning. If we are talking about price, than for sure Blender should be at the top, then also something like Artlantis (which can be very good at interiors with ray tracing without heavy price and learning curves of pro packages like 3ds may etc), then 5D render etc.. And finally, why always this talk about Revit, it looks like you kind of apologising to them for using Arhicad?? We all know they were late to the game and try to copy or outshadow archicad/graphisoft (at that time), why you need to sponsor autodesk in this way? They have enough money ripping their costumers, so why not properly support Arhicad instead, specially of you make paid youtube content based on arhicad videos?
I have seen a number of Architects submitting construction designs drafts / blueprints with 'Trial' or ' for Education Purpose only' watermark s of these softwares. Clients are concerned with the design, looks and shape, ..of their project, not how the design was created... ethics aside!!
If you are a registered architect, where the term architect is a protected title, like in Australia, you cannot put ethics aside. Clients want good quality designs yes but they also want professionalism. Seem these watermarks has negative connotations for the entire industry IMO.
Well they are concerned with how long it took you to make it and what to be sure that your elevations plans, renderings and schedules are all related to each other. Without human error. Maybe you drew 300 windows in AutoCad but on your schedule you wrote 280. Then maybe on your elevation you drew 260. That’s why BIM exists and AutoCad should be abandoned quickly.
Personally, i dont think you can put lumion and 3dsmax on the same tier. They dont perfom the sane task. Same as in cinema / vray. Also. Blender does It ALL for free
@@DavidTomic Lol, in a world where we are charged thousand of dollars for specific softwares, and as you already mentioned in previous videos the amount of knowledge that architects must have nowadays.... Yeah, learning a great and free software shouldn't hurt! I deleted sketchup, max from my modeling workflow... and i still render at twinmotion and sometimes D5 (that you forgot to mention - also have a free tier!), for the ease of use. But yeah, blender is a very, very, very good software for modeling and rendering, also huge community, great amount of plugins and resources.... 😄
Revit is barely fit for purpose an absolute basket case of a software package still missing key usability features after decades. Yet we are stuck with it.
Well you didn’t do your homework, Datacad LLC, is the Only software that’s been around since 1981 that was specifically designed for architectural work, and is still privately owned by an actual architectural firm! How’s that for specific. It’s reasonable per year-it integrates with sketchup pro, and as far as modeling for architectural work-sketchup pro is simply hands down the best-and renderings!- sketchfx-and Bentley Lumenrt Pro. Yiu need to look no further. Revit although widely used, is a waste of time and not the most productive soft to much front end loaded input required.
@@DavidTomic These people are mistaken. It WAS free when Epic acquired Twinmotion and made it free for the "early adopters" for a few months, which is what I have. Though I think the free updates will end with the 2022 version as I understand it.
I did not like the video at all. You did not mention the three most important programs. One of them can do everything that Autodesk programs do. You are just advertising for the companies that pay you and say that you are advising students. I recommend the Rhino program, in addition to that it comes with Grasshopper inside, a program that can do everything in 3D, 2D, and Parametric Design. In addition to the completely free Blender program, which includes the Render Cycle engine, one of the best and fastest engines, and all this for free
the listing is pretty bad, 3ds max is a modeling program that has plugins like Arnold or any other like corona vary or any render engine! if you compare or put both 3ds max and lumion at the same level you are doing it wrong!
Wasn't putting them at the same level just the next category. Video would have gone forever if I broken down every program individually. But you are indeed correct
How can one miss rhino. Man I'm disliking for that alone 😔. 💀 How can our industry be blind to such an amazing software it gives you the total freedom from drafting to modeling . Better than sketchup and and other drafting softwares.🤦♂️
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How can you miss rhino on this list? Its the most important for academics and also the industry standart for competition and digital fabrication work.
Because rhino isn't often used to document projects. It is a conceptual tool that is mainly used for, early concept and then never touched again. But it is a great program none the less
@@DavidTomic If you're advising which to learn, it's probably important to state that Rhino fills gaps in Revit that Sketchup doesn't.
Revit's native modelling tools struggle with stairs and railings more complex than a fire escape, and Sketchup's meshes don't work as well as Rhino's NURBS solids.
Rhino lets you easily model and 3D print fabrication or construction detail models, convert assets between weird file formats, and get stuck into the database with Grasshopper.
It's a swiss army knife that works for both students and Tier 1 firms.
@@DavidTomic actually, rhino can document drawings just fine.
@@izoyt While I like using Rhino for modeling, it isn't just an industry standard for documentation. Try coordinating with MEP engineers or GCs. You can still find a way to do it, but the workflow would be horrible.
Only on modeling alone you have much more freedom with rhino. Grasshopper alone its a monster itself that brings sooooo much power to the design process through computational design and with rhino.inside revit you can model on rhino and translate all this geometry to native revit objects, which jumps the gab of remodeling everything again and make a continued workflow between an architecture model and a BIM model and viceversa. In the otherhand, sketchup sucks with interoperability bc it works with meshes and looses a lot of information in the processes. And it's a perpetual license.
You also miss blender, it's free and it's bringing visual programming to the table too.
3d max, maya and cinema 4d are widely use for modeling.
we haven't even touch all the adobe and like programs for graphics too.
I think architects use way more programs out of this list, not only rendering, mesh model and cad.
Autodesk did not create rivet they bought it From a group of engineers that created the software for engineers later, they try to integrate it for architecture, which is absolute nonsense. Archicad, on the other hand, was created for architects.
Very true. Also originally created for Mac not PC which is why it's so user friendly
AutoCAD has 'Auto' in the name for a similar reason :-) The original Revit was quite good, AutoDesk bought it to kill it.
Charles River Software created Revit for architects and designers, Revit was never meant to be an engineering software. I don't know where you get that info, but it's so false.
@@DavidTomic what's your workflow for the fast-cut closed captioning?
"You don't need to spend money, if you know how to crack it"😅
Wait until you get a lovely letter from the manufacturer suing you for mega-bucks. Not worth it IMO.
Use blender bro
... don't tell the secrets....he is selling the modelling, animation and rendering packages to serious Architect s!!🤣
Their is a lot of confusion in your talk. Please understand the difference between a Architecture Design Package ( CAD or BIM), a 3D Modeling / Animation package, and a Rendering package ( Lighting and texturing included). Lumion and Vray and others like Octane, Arnold..are all for Rendering work and do not compete but work with, rather give the 3 Models a realistic look and movement. So they can work with 3D Max, Cinema 4D, Blender, Sketch-Up, or even Maya, Rhino,....! Twinmotion and Escape may look easy but need a Game Engine to run. AutoCAD, ArchiCad, Revit, and heavy list of specialized CAD pakages from Autodesk are more of Designing packages. They may or may not be used for Architectural Visualisation work / pipeline.
These understanding, is important, first and foremost.!
Yes but this is from an architectural perspective.
If you are actually reading these comments, just know that this video is providing info local to Australia. In the USA, Revit is by far more expensive per year. There is no perpetual license offered on any Autodesk software anymore, so you are destined to be a subscriber forever and subject to Autodesk's ever increasing prices and random license models. Archicad has both perpetual and subscription licenses in the USA and it's quite a bit cheaper per year, especially when you factor in the cost of cloud collaboration software which is basically a requirement to use BIM the way it was intended.
David's comment is right regarding the steep learning curve of Revit. I first started learning revit in 2009 and still am not 100% confident in it the way I am in Autocad and SketchUp. Also, Autodesk did not originally create Revit. The acquired it because they are basically trying to become an AEC software monopoly. The issue is that in the USA, Revit has weaseled its way into probably 9 out of 10 architecture firms (via AutoCAD) and Autodesk's relentless marketing makes everyone assume that it's "industry standard". They also have convinced architecture schools of this, so unless you desire to think outside the box, you end up using Revit whether or not it is actually a good piece of software.
I do my best to read every comment and appreciate yours!
Why have you ignored Vectorworks? I have found it to be the best for me and TwinMotion is free. It also works a lot better with IFC files than Revit does.
Vectorworks isn't used by that many firms here and I personally have no experience with it.
@@DavidTomic , they ought to :-) More cost effective than ArchiCAD and far superior than any AutoDesk product. In fact Vectorworks’s company owns Graphisoft and both ArchiCAD and Vectorworks were based on the same Hungarian core software that had been written by architects for architects (unlike AutoDesk).
In essence both Vectorworks and ArchiCAD ‘think’ the way architects do, AutoDesk software ‘thinks’ like a computer geek :-)
@@johnkellett7797 facts dude
@@DavidTomic Vectorworks has over 600k User Worldwide, way more than Archicad. Calling this Video "I Bought Every Architectural Software" is a joke.
@@GerhardBauer this guy just try to sell his ass.
glad to hear someone not shit on archicad for once! :) archicad user here too, student, learning revit has been an indescribable torture to me for months, i wish it was easier or that i had started with it in since the beginning
Woah...why is Archicad so expensive in Australia? I pay around 3.500 € for one ArchiCARD license, which is the all inlcusive option, that can be updated every year to the newest year for around 300 € or you just leave it there with the version you bought. Or Lumion? It only costs 1.500 € per license or 3.000 € for the Pro license. But the Autodesk products on the other hand are cheaper than in Europe. Autocad costs 2.400 € per year and Revit 3.900 € per year, which is incredibly expensive, if you think about the fact that it's only available in the abonnement model. I guess that might be the reason why Archicad is absolutely predominant in Europe (except the UK). It's just cheaper here.
That is a very cheap price! Even at the current conversation rate it is cheap. You do get discounts as you add licenses here. If you had a few (unsure of the exact number) it's drops down to about $8.5k AUD which is closer to your €3500. Upgrade fees are about $1500/yr/license though
David, you missed Chief Architect. I've been happily using it for many years.
1. It has a fast learning curve compared to the other products mentioned here.
2. It has many productivity features that automate the most common design tasks such as floors, ceilings, roofs, stairs, terrain modeling. The more work-intensive design techniques are only needed for the most complex use cases.
3. High-quality rendering is built in.
4. There is a huge library of 3D objects and textures including commercial products from many well known product suppliers.
5. There is a huge library of excellent tutorial videos available here on RUclips.
6. Imports/Exports DWG/DXF files. I'm currently working with someone using Revit and we exchange files easily.
7. Cheaper versions of the product (Home Designer for example) are available with some of the advanced features disabled.
8. The technical support from the vendor team is outstanding, and the software is frequently updated throughout the year.
I suggest that you watch some of the excellent videos here to see what I mean.
Never tried it but will look into it :)
@@DavidTomic Agree with Mark, you completely whiffed on Chief Architect. Great program.
@@DavidTomic Yip Chief Architect David makes Archicad look like hard work
Love your channel btw
I think you were remiss in not including Chief Architect in your review. It outperforms Autocad when it comes to 3D rendering, is less expensive, and has a lot of features.
Havent personally tried it out but will look into it!
I completed my Bachelor of Architectural Design (in QLD) only using Chief Architect, Twin Motion & Photo Shop.
We use such building stones to build in our country,how can you use it to build exterior walls with archicad to appear this real?I have tried to find these stones severally in archicad with zero succes.Please help
Just use a textured material and increase the thickness of the wall
@@DavidTomic I mean a running bond with building stones,I sent you the message with the pictures in IG
The Twinmotion promotion just ended this year for Archicad. Now they have an Enscape offer, of one year free if you buy one year.
Our twinmotion is forever free with our subscription package. Been free for the past 4 or 5 years now. But good info to note
You missed heaps. Rino and Vectorworks
Vectorworks isn't very popular in Australia and rhino is mainly used as an early conceptual tool hence why I didnt add it
@@DavidTomic That's interesting. I know a bunch of architectural firms who are using it in Australia as I encounter their drawings a lot. Its also heavely used as the industry standard for entertainment design worldwide, and here in oz.
ALLPLAN is missing from the list and it kinda kicks ass in the amount you can do with just one program.
Never ever heard of it, sorry mate will look into it and consider adding it to the next one
Thanks Dave. Really liking your content. Keep it up. I'll be using a combo of ArchiCAD, 3dsMAX and UE5. I pretty much don't know how to use any of them but I am going to get there soon enough.
Glad you’re enjoying it mate! And that’s a great combo of software 😃
Rhino didn't make the list? It's almost the cheapest. No subscription model. Includes Grasshopper & other BIM plugins :/
Rhino is great but it's basically a plugin for very early stage of developments
The first nobody likes to admit about Revit is that you still need AutoCAD. Autodesk pushes users down the 'AEC Collection' route in order to try and justify the high subscription fees. Most drawings issued to construction sites still have at least a 'dash' of AutoCAD in them.
The second thing nobody (in an office that is) wants to admit about Revit is that drawings produced in Revit, and the specific nature of the errors in those drawings, create a massive amount of issues on construction sites. It's partially the fault of the users themselves, but the software has some issues. I'm sure same goes for every BIM program out there. I'm just more experienced with Revit drawings and I'm able to see similar errors from multiple consultants which are generally exclusive to Revit drawings (I can tell Revit drawings apart from others).
BricsCAD BIM: Nobody uses it. Like absolutely nobody. They've paid RUclipsrs to help promote them, but they have very little content on creating actual construction drawings. If you disagree, look up their videos on how to draw a section. It's also not new; it's actually been in development a very long time and hasn't really gone anywhere. Worse yet, it's pulled resources away from the main BricsCAD platform and what was once the best AutoCAD alternative has now fallen behind the other CAD-clones.
Revit electrical has had issues for years with no solution in the works it is sad
You absolutely do not need AutoCAD to complete working drawings in Revit in probably 95% of cases (if you know what you are doing and use Revit's tools correctly). I can't tell you how many jobs I have been praised on by construction companies, city planners, ect that were solely drawn in Revit or how many AutoCAD based drawing sets I have had to re-work in Revit because the project was designed incorrectly.
@@JacobBanman Jake you are obviously an Architect and in that case yes you are correct. In any other trade autocad is necessary to supplement
@@JacobBanman Well... first off, a project designed incorrectly is independent of the program used to draft/3D model it. That has nothing to do with AutoCAD/Revit.
My comment about AutoCAD reads "you still need AutoCAD". That doesn't mean they are necessarily using AutoCAD for the actual drawings (but most do), it means they need AutoCAD to open/process/edit other things. After all, you have AutoCAD as part of your AEC subscription, and it gets used. In some situations it's just the best tool for the job. Trying to shoe-horn Revit into doing a task it's not well suited for is a huge reason why office productivity has actually gone down in recent years.
As far as the "praise" you've mentioned, I've seen the complete opposite: Most work done in Revit is garbage. Most BIM technicians don't understand the projects they work on as well as their 2D drafting predecessors. This is becoming a bigger and bigger problem every year.
@@randomCADstuff then the BIM technicians you have worked with are the problem, not the software itself. Anyone skilled enough in Revit can accurately model almost anything without requiring access to a CAD file; is it sometimes nice? Sure, but it is not really "required" as you say it is.
Yes there are quirks in the software but I have yet to run into something I was not able to solve solely in Revit.
I almost never use CAD these days; I still have it on my system but I bet you it's been over a year (probably closer to two) since I have actually opened or used it.
If I am not mistaken, Autodesk did not create Revit! They bought it at some point to capitalize on it.
They did purchase it, yes
how about edificuis did you heared about that amazing software?
Never heard of this software either but will look into it :)
Chief Architect wasnt even mentioned. Chief Architect I have used for the last 10 years
Chief architect isn't very popular nor have I ever owned it personally so I wasn't able to add it to this list :)
@@DavidTomic Take time to use Chief Architect, take a serious look at it, it may change your mind.
You could be more clear in the beginning that this is for your country. Maybe the viewer should understand stat. Prices differ in different areas. Archicad as we use is way cheaper than you suggest at least in Sweden. Also for an office of more than one person the question of floating network licenses is crucial. Some soft doesn't even have floating licenses...
My accent usually gives it away, but valid points
and he probably speaks in australian dollars. speaking about accent is silly, if we re talking about "international" youtube channel. stop this clickbaits, its so outdated..
another potential bim software is vector work or elite cad
Vectorworks is not often used in Australia for architecture..elite cad I've never heard of
The Twinmotion promotion with archicad ended at the end of 2021
My budget stack: Blender for design and visualization, and nanoCAD for drafting. nanoCAD has really surprised me as a comprehensive, and very actively maintained alternative to AutoCAD. Pen compatible and looks great on my 2K graphics tablet. Well worth checking out!
Sketchup user, and every time some architecture person sees my work, goes like wow!, you use revit right.
Sketchup and layout combo are sleeper architectural software
What about Chief Architect?
Never tried it personally
I assume the pricing was in Australian dollars?
You are correct
@@DavidTomic, thank goodness. I know what the cost is in the USA and thought maybe your local reseller was ripping you off. LOL. Love your videos. Keep up the great work.
Nice software review, although is too bad that you missed Blender. It is advancing so fast that in a few years it would be everywhere in all sort of industries. Beside the fact that it’s completely free Cycles renderer gives you one of the bast results that you can imagine. It basically can compete with Corona and V-ray.
BlenderBIM would actually be useful, Blender on its on for architecture not so much.
I have to ask, what are the specs of your PC?
Currently running an m1 ultra Mac studio. Previously had a maxed out custom built pc
@@DavidTomic I'm currently using an Omen 16 but Im struggling with Lumion Livesync to render my 4th year project. Any advice to sort this out will really be appreciated.
y'all be paying for software?? i have been using ArchiCAD and sketch up since 2008 and i have never paid a dime.
Google the fines associated with it and you might reconsider...
@@DavidTomic i am fully aware of the fines associated with using the software illegally.....
I think Cinema 4D has more advantages than 3ds Max in many ways but people don't know much about it! C4D has a direct link (livesync) with programs like Archicad and Vectorworks because they are from the same company! Cinema 4D is easier to animate compared to 3ds Max and it doesn't need all those plugins for animation like Max! C4D has Redshift as native render engine and a much friendlier interface, it's suitable for motion design! And you can use Arnold, Corona and Octane as well!
Very true!
David let me ask please..im a builder and want to design my own home from foundation up. Im skilled with design but not software. This will be a one time build. The home will have many features such as a walkout basement so ill need piers heads etc. Load bearing lollys...what woukd you recommend for a one time but excellent for presentation to township who by the way does not require an architect seal
Archicad is the quickest to learn in my opinion. Revit is the cheapest per month. All have student licenses which you could technically try and get. Sketchup could do the job and it will basically be free but will take longer to document. Depending on what your local authorities requires and what file formats your engineers need too will determine the best software.
I am restarting my career in Architecture design I have experience in Revit but I am confused what to use as a rendering software , Esncape or Unreal engine 5 ??
Your ideas ?
Enscape is easier and has good quality result. Unreal has a harder and longer learning curve but created better products. Suggest looking at twinmotion too
@@DavidTomic Thanks alot this is helpful!
what about nemetschek vectorworks? or Rhino3D?
Vector works is hardly used in Australia and rhino IMO is perfect for concept stages only
I’ve used ArchiCAD exclusively for the first 17 years of my architectural career. It’s time for me to learn some more about Revit and get hands on with it to expand my skill set. Any advice?
Try find a good course and stick to it. Trying to learn revit with an archicad background is handwork because everything is different. Plenty of good youtubers out there with free courses, check out Balkan Architect as a starting point
If you can use ArchiCAD no need to learn Revit. Revit might be popular but that is never a guarantee of quality or ability.
@@johnkellett7797 very true
Watch Balkan Architect
@@jerardyu9677 , why? I used Revit for 20 years and it could never handle the BIM standard format IFC format files well. In fact the LT version used to (does it still?) strip out all IFC info from every file it opened! AutoDesk have always been more about sales and hype and marketing and rarely about a product truly useable by architects. No doubt very useful for engineers, technicians and technologists, but not architects.
If I say I am a Blender guy I might get killed here but yall can try it, it's free.
I used 3ds max and vray for 5 years, now I replaced it with Blender also I got rid of Lumion because blender dose every I want. I have been using blender for 2 years now and it's getting better every year.
The only reason I haven't gotten into Blender is because by the time it matures, I'll be too old. I decided to invest my time in Rhino and stick to boring old AutoCAD.
There's plenty of potential and many promising plugins being developed (including at least one for BIM/Architecture). It just takes a bit of time to get into.
I might still try it!
@@randomCADstuffblender is really good for architecture on modeling and rendering, if you want it as a bim software yeah, don't think about it, I personally use Revit and make renders on blender
Thanks for the video David! What do you think of this combination:
- modelling in archicad
- rendering in twinmotion with a plugin
Starting my arch journey at eth zurich this september and you have helped me a lot!
Sounds like you're on the right track to a great career Raphael! Best of luck!
Great choices! Best of luck for your studies, fellow Zuricher.
@@DavidTomic Thank you I apprechiate it!
@@raphaelbeutler1421 Hi Raphael! Talking from my education experience, you will need a 3d modelling software to that duo and I definitely recommend you Rhino. You can also add Adobe Indesign and Photoshop there. If you have these 5 tools, you will never struggle with producing high end works. Good luck!
Revit is my baby LOL. I bought a mac last year, thinking that I would never do anything with architecture again, but then this year I got the opportunity to maybe enter the field again... Revit is still not optimized for mac... so I am trying Sketchup.... Sketchup is kicking my butt.... I have to say that I didn't have a hard time learning Revit as I am having with Sketchup
I thought Twinmotion was totally free if you have an epic games account
Nope. You can get a free trial but it's not free. If you have an epic account and an archicad license it is
@@DavidTomic okay, thank you David 😁
Great info mate
Glad I could help!
What about Allplan?
Never heard of it
I wish to get in touch with you if you may permit
Thanks david for your great videos!
Most welcome mate!
Blender (cycles) is free and better then all the render Software and rendering engines that you mentioned, give it a try
That's a big statement
many top firms are using SKETCHUP then pass onto drafties on AUTOCAD or REVIT
all about speed and getting to council and clients ASAP for residential then if your on government projects some stipulate REVIT
All depends on where in the world you live. All of these programs are used by firms just in what order and how frequently is the difference. Sketchup is very popular for basic design
U can document using layout for sketchup
@@faresjawad3096
I know I use it for quick development concepts all good . But firms are still using autocad LT and multiple programs some have there details in autocad and engineers all on autocad and surveyors
You may have designers and few guys on sketchup and presentation side of things
I have autocad LT revit LT sketchup pro and VRAY
@@DavidTomic
I have seen top Melbourne firms job adds
SKETCHUP AUTOCAD REVIT
all in the one Instagram post and spoken to few firms and have worked 30 years in building and worked in firms
These days you have to be multi skilled it's like a draw full of pens they all work differently
I can see most concepts on Instagram by firms sketchup the line work and surface painted and vegetation it's so quick in vray
@@Simon-Simon-Simon OK just take a look at the 3dbascsmp 2018 .. title big cad in sketchup , and c the transition and how they save thousands of dollars and cut the time by 70% faster .
Nice video, but how accidentally you forgot about the Alternative software of 3Dsmax that our Blender😯
I've never owned blender. I've only ever trailed it once and don't have enough experience to provide a genuine opinion on it.
@@DavidTomic you didn't trail anything, since blender is free.
33 years using AutoCad. It's like getting stuck in a biosphere. Very hard to get out of it, although I gave up the upgrade race when they went to the money-grabbing subscription model. Old guy rant, sorry. Using SketchUp and have taught both in college. Love seeing the young students using all the 3D marvels out there. Wish I had the time and patience to learn all that myself.
I think it doesn't matter what program you know as long as you know the fundamentals of construction and how to detail, anyone can produce amazing work. Maybe oneday you'll find the time to learn something like revit which is in the same family as autocad :)
Hey there Mate, loving the compare & contrast vids, I personally favor Revit + Enscape, they make a real good combo, take care, hope for some more content!!!
Thanks mate. You'll see a new video every Monday from me!
You missed Chief Architect.
Never used it / paid for it so couldn't include it
We use Microstation for architecture
Havent personally tried it out but will look into it!
I just must comment this (i know it is clickbait, but still):
Every architectural software? Architects usually have decent dose of intelligence and experience (students included), so please, no more of this childish click baits.
- if we start with architectural "bim" software, how about Allplan, Vectorworks (owned by same group as Arhicad, for f sake), Acadbau, Edificius, Archline.xp etc..?
- Bricscad was primary substitute for autocad 2d, after that it evolve in quasi architectural bim sofware. also., there are many other Autocad "clones" after Autodesk's exclusive rights on cad software code expiries.
- There are many other rendering software worth mentioning. If we are talking about price, than for sure Blender should be at the top, then also something like Artlantis (which can be very good at interiors with ray tracing without heavy price and learning curves of pro packages like 3ds may etc), then 5D render etc..
And finally, why always this talk about Revit, it looks like you kind of apologising to them for using Arhicad?? We all know they were late to the game and try to copy or outshadow archicad/graphisoft (at that time), why you need to sponsor autodesk in this way? They have enough money ripping their costumers, so why not properly support Arhicad instead, specially of you make paid youtube content based on arhicad videos?
Relax bro it's just software you sook.
twinmotion is free for some of us, we got lucky with the promo they offered us when it was bought into unreal guys
I use enscape and Autocad because free for student.and i use fake sketchup
You can get most of these for free as a student :)
Imma pray that you financialy recover from this lol
Also great vid like usual 😂👍
Me too 😂
I'm quite new into the Architectural Software and truly SketchUp is really good as a first steps program.
Great Video.
Thanks mate! All the best with your endeavours
And I'll get paid $35,000 a year after spending all this money🥰✨💅
Depending on your skill level, country, if you're the business owner, etc you could get paid a lot more in architecture.
hmmmmm Archicad in USA is $7000-8000 for perpetual licence....not 10K +
This is in AUD
You also missed Chief Architect.
I have seen a number of Architects submitting construction designs drafts / blueprints with 'Trial' or ' for Education Purpose only' watermark s of these softwares. Clients are concerned with the design, looks and shape, ..of their project, not how the design was created... ethics aside!!
If you are a registered architect, where the term architect is a protected title, like in Australia, you cannot put ethics aside. Clients want good quality designs yes but they also want professionalism. Seem these watermarks has negative connotations for the entire industry IMO.
Well they are concerned with how long it took you to make it and what to be sure that your elevations plans, renderings and schedules are all related to each other. Without human error. Maybe you drew 300 windows in AutoCad but on your schedule you wrote 280. Then maybe on your elevation you drew 260. That’s why BIM exists and AutoCad should be abandoned quickly.
Very informative video, Thank You very much. But loud background music is not only annoying but also making distraction.
Noted. Will reduce volume.
I share it
Please and thank you!
PLEASE TALK MORE ABOUT V RAY
ill add it to the list :)
Personally, i dont think you can put lumion and 3dsmax on the same tier. They dont perfom the sane task. Same as in cinema / vray.
Also. Blender does It ALL for free
Guess I better learn blender
@@DavidTomic Lol, in a world where we are charged thousand of dollars for specific softwares, and as you already mentioned in previous videos the amount of knowledge that architects must have nowadays.... Yeah, learning a great and free software shouldn't hurt! I deleted sketchup, max from my modeling workflow... and i still render at twinmotion and sometimes D5 (that you forgot to mention - also have a free tier!), for the ease of use. But yeah, blender is a very, very, very good software for modeling and rendering, also huge community, great amount of plugins and resources.... 😄
I have everything cracked for freee
Just wait till you get that lovely letter from their legal team. Not worth it
@@DavidTomic εδω ειναι ελλαδα φιλε
Maaaaaate, have you had a look at PlusSpec? Home grown software that sits over the top with Sketchup as the "engine" in the background 👍
Havent heard about it but ill check it out!
Also Plusdesignbuild for big projects from the same company
@@DavidTomic it's Australian by theway
@@DavidTomic plusspec actually looks pretty interesting tbh.
Great content
Thanks Eric!
Twinmotion rendering is having far realistic rendering comparing to lumion because of the path tracing. Go and check it
Twinmotion has improved significantly as of late, yes
i'm Revit user and i like ArchiCad more, i want to switch.
There is a whole course on my channel, for free, if you’re serious :)
@@DavidTomic thanks, sure. i'll watch them, i found ArchiCAd more Organized when Revit. Wont hurt to have both :)
Revit is barely fit for purpose an absolute basket case of a software package still missing key usability features after decades. Yet we are stuck with it.
Nobody is stuck we all have a choice :)
Well you didn’t do your homework, Datacad LLC, is the Only software that’s been around since 1981 that was specifically designed for architectural work, and is still privately owned by an actual architectural firm! How’s that for specific. It’s reasonable per year-it integrates with sketchup pro, and as far as modeling for architectural work-sketchup pro is simply hands down the best-and renderings!- sketchfx-and Bentley Lumenrt Pro. Yiu need to look no further. Revit although widely used, is a waste of time and not the most productive soft to much front end loaded input required.
Twinmotion is completly free if you create a epic games account
Not sure where everyone keeps getting this information from because this is not the case in Australia.
@@DavidTomic These people are mistaken. It WAS free when Epic acquired Twinmotion and made it free for the "early adopters" for a few months, which is what I have. Though I think the free updates will end with the 2022 version as I understand it.
@@rndll. you’re right I had been downloading the latest version since 2019 and I have never been asked to pay for it… hopefully it continues forever😅
I am getting archicad today.
Wise choice
I just pirate all of them
I'd be very careful if I were you... google the fines and reconsider
Team Archicad all the way. The rest are just toys.
I did not like the video at all. You did not mention the three most important programs. One of them can do everything that Autodesk programs do. You are just advertising for the companies that pay you and say that you are advising students. I recommend the Rhino program, in addition to that it comes with Grasshopper inside, a program that can do everything in 3D, 2D, and Parametric Design. In addition to the completely free Blender program, which includes the Render Cycle engine, one of the best and fastest engines, and all this for free
I did not get paid to make this video, this was simply one man’s opinion and you’re entitled to yours of course.
the listing is pretty bad, 3ds max is a modeling program that has plugins like Arnold or any other like corona vary or any render engine! if you compare or put both 3ds max and lumion at the same level you are doing it wrong!
Wasn't putting them at the same level just the next category. Video would have gone forever if I broken down every program individually. But you are indeed correct
Bah, Revit and AutoCAD aren't that bad. It just takes practice. Using software isn't even the hardest part of practicing architecture.
It is the easiest part by far!
Chief architect??
BLENDER !!!!!
How can one miss rhino. Man I'm disliking for that alone 😔. 💀 How can our industry be blind to such an amazing software it gives you the total freedom from drafting to modeling . Better than sketchup and and other drafting softwares.🤦♂️
Damn a whole video disliked just for that.. harsh 😂
@@DavidTomic yea because when can we move forward if we don't improve our tools.
argh
A bit not on point :)))))
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No rhino ? Thumbs down
Harsh
Mfer who use blender 😭