What I ended enjoying more than anything is watching how the dad has taught his daughters to work along his side. Nothing is more pretentious than having family together. He is raising his daughter to be woriors of life. Great job Dad!!!
Mike just came across this been in the concrete business for 40 years on the Westcoast. We do the same thing you do high end stamp and all kinds of flatwork and walls. Did foundations for years but just flatwork now. You guys and gals do things a little different than we do are pool decks have to have #3 rebar 18" O.C. But that said it's so nice to see a dad have his girls out there with the boys. Also lets them know how hard dad works so they can go to school. And I was watching them there better than a lot of guys on the come -a- long. nice job!!
I work on a 4 man pool construction crew and we pour our own decks- It’s really cool to see how you guys and gals go about the process. Our bossman has been pouring decks since he was a teenager with his grandfather and has developed an approach, that while effective, is way different than what I see other crews doing. For example we ‘saw screed’ right on the form with stakes pounded down flush and follow with floats on the edges, but because of that, we run the risk of scratching up the coping and/or pulling too much mud off the inside edge of the coping or form. I like the idea of floating the edges prior to screeding as opposed to trying to establish your levels with the screed directly on the form- Seems like it would make screeding a little easier and help keep the pool cleaner. Thanks for taking the time to produce these videos, maybe I will try to employ some of your tactics when bossman is looking the other way haha. Cheers from KY
Nice Mike. I think you should always start by stating the concrete mix and slump. A lot of people watching this don’t understand how important that is for finish and when to start finishing.
Nice job and video series. So interesting how things done on the east and west coast. I am in the NE so used to how you are doing it. How about a truck or shop tour to see what you use on jobs. Thanks for sharing your work.
This is exactly how simple concrete needs to be no chairs under steel but its getting lifted love that screed to. In australia/nz they call that a dummy joiner.
We call them jointers. I have an old bullfloat sawed off to about 18 inches. The actual jointer slides anywhere you need it on the bullfloat. Pretty handy putting joints behind a post. Also has swivel so you can reach further. Great video!
I love your videos man. I'm a 18 yr concreter from California. We pour much like you do there. I noticed you guys broom after a mag, try giving it a medium/hard trowel before brooming. Comes out with a really nice broom. Im sure you know already.
I used to do alot of these pool decks . The pool company we where subing for wanted them a super light broom . So alot of troweling . But where I live we don't run that much air entrainment just a little bit . Also another thing we used to do .Is set a small piece of expansion and cap where we would start the pour . So that when we got back around to it it would have a clean break . Basically we didn't have to blend the two loads together . Then the pool contractor would just pull the cap and caulk it .
I noticed you had steel mesh, but how does it reinforce the concrete if it is flush with the dirt? Does it need to be centered in the layer of concrete for it to work properly?
Yeah we call them jointers, in Indianapolis Indiana. I have worked with a couple women in my years working in the union always been impressed with how hard and how well women can keep up with men. It would be nice to see more diversity and I mean just men and women that's all I mean LOL!
We had a fiberglass pool installed. Been waiting weeks for concrete contractor to have time...rebar came yesterday and I'm told he is gonna 'form' this week... soo I googled what that meant and found your videos. Very helpful thanks! Whats the rebar for exactly, I see yours up...maybe i'll hear that soon haha
Do you think you could get pretty close to even price wise by hiring a pump truck and only having 2 guys there? I’ve been leaning toward using a pump on many pours lately that I could get away with tailgating or wheelbarrowing because the dollar amount ends up so close and the pumper just makes for a much easier and stress free day. Thanks enjoy your videos and seeing different styles.
We tailgate when ever we can. For us that's almost always easier unless it's a really big pour. We don't wheelbarrow too much. Pumping is easier in a lot of cases but it's 850 for a pump plus the yard of concrete just to fill the pump that you don't use. That gets you to over 1000.00 bucks. I extra man doesn't come close to costing you that for a day. Plus when the pump washes out it leaves a big pile of crete to pick up after. I only pump when I have to.
So, your concrete companies are in the "dark ages" too with those rear discharge trucks?? After seeing all the benefits of a front discharge truck, I have no idea how there is even a market for any rear discharge trucks anymore! Excellent videos!
Quite a few guys here use a Fresno after bull floating on exterior slabs. Wouldn’t a broom finish open the surface back up if you sealed it with a steel trowel?
We like using a funny float better than a fresno. The broom would most likely open the surface back up, I just don't like to take a chance on trapping moisture. A good tight mag float with a good fine broom leaves you a really nice broom finish.
Excellent team work, Mike. Sorry if I've missed this in your commentary. It looks like the pool is vinyl lined with aluminum coping. If that's the case, how do you deal with any concrete splatters on the coping; and, is it possible to remove the coping at a later time, in case the vinyl liner needs to be replaced? I imagine the coping just pops right out, but I didn't see anyone run a straight edge between the coping and concrete. Thank you.
In the video I duct tape the coping to keep it clean, then we pull the tape when we're done finishing. The coping is permanent. It doesn't need to be removed to replace the liner.
Can't beat the Jackson poly wheelbarrow, looks like you got a bumper on front, is that for when you dump on radiant heat tubing? It's a good idea to put the first part of load on both trucks next to each other like you did, seems to me the first half yard never sets as fast as the rest of it. We call it a cutter.
How come you guys didn’t put any Steele in this slab ? Does it have a fibre glass mix in it so you don’t need Steele ?im in a Australia so I’m just checking out how you guys do things over there compared to how we do it 👍🏻
Hi mike great video and great teacher. I am putting an above ground pool ( with aluminum walls ) half way in the ground and want to place a concrete slab around it. Do I bring the slab right up against the pool wall or do I need tp place something between the pool wall and slab?
Hi mike. I’ve poured my share of concrete over the years here in Michigan . You mentioned about steel troweling outside pours and how it can affect the concrete , same thing here in Michigan , was always taught not to steel trowel air entrained / outside broom finish pours , but my question has always been , when you broom the concrete isn’t it “opening” that top back up ?? I’ve just always been curious about that whole theory of trapping air below the surface .
Mike, Do you have a video on exposed aggregate concrete? This is something the is unusual in the UK which I do not understand. I know if is used extensively in the US.
I work in pool repair, just about all the pool jet repairs i do are because they are being yanked on from settling.so i wonder if using masterseal np1 in the relief cuts would prevent future water washing of substrate.if that would be worth . Also preventing the jets,hoses and elbows from getting pulled down and damaged.
Caulking the joints is always a good idea. I don't usually do it. I only do pool decks where the sub-base is compacted really good and almost all of them go through a winter season before I pour the concrete.
Mike I have a concrete pool deck which appears to have been laid in layers, the top layer being that mottled effect with tiny hair lines in the concrete. The deck has been down for years and two things are happening. 1. is its cracking from ground movement and 2 its lifting from a hard concrete under layer. At this point it essentially needs replacing and this time I'm thinking of laying astro turf (not least because it will cope better with our ground movement in Houston). Do you have any tips for removing all that op layer, I don't want to remove all the concrete because I'll just have to raise the ground to get back to the level I want to lay astro turf at and I don't want to lay the astro on the existing top because if lifts its going to pull up the astro attached to it. wondered if you had any advice.
A friend just had a pool poured and noticed after the fact that the concrete decking around pool was only 3 inches thick. Isn't 4 inches thick the minimum standard?
It looks like the water is just right. In my mind I'm thinking when there is bleed water on the surface, it's too wet. Wondering if you think that is true?
That's not always the case. If there's a vapor barrier, you usually always see bleed water no matter what the slump is. Non-air entrained concrete bleeds more than air-entrained concrete does. Really fine aggregates seem to make the concrete bleed more than course aggregates. Mixing water does have a lot to do with it also.
Hey Mike! I came across your video while googling for concrete pouring. Do you have any recommendations on how you handle pouring around existing pool plumbing when pouring a deck for future maintenance and access? For example, PVC 90s into returns from the pool pump. Thank you! Love the channel, subscribed!
Nice to see someone use a wheelbarrow not a pussy pump ,pour concrete like a man to many people using pumps skipping the true appreciation for concrete work . Must be nice to pour so thin and no mesh or rebar that would crumble on first frost here in ontario
Respect to driver for moving and cleaning out wheelbarrow and helping keep area clean.
What I ended enjoying more than anything is watching how the dad has taught his daughters to work along his side. Nothing is more pretentious than having family together. He is raising his daughter to be woriors of life. Great job Dad!!!
Thanks Edwin
You have a great crew! To climb up that chute to grab that last shovels worth of concrete is dedication.
Thanks, they are pretty special!
Mike just came across this been in the concrete business for 40 years on the Westcoast. We do the same thing you do high end stamp and all kinds of flatwork and walls. Did foundations for years but just flatwork now. You guys and gals do things a little different than we do are pool decks have to have #3 rebar 18" O.C. But that said it's so nice to see a dad have his girls out there with the boys. Also lets them know how hard dad works so they can go to school. And I was watching them there better than a lot of guys on the come -a- long. nice job!!
Thanks Andy, Some decks we'll use 3/8 bar and some wire like this one. It depends on who does the prep for me. Where on the west coast are you?
Shout out to those 2 girls!
I work on a 4 man pool construction crew and we pour our own decks- It’s really cool to see how you guys and gals go about the process. Our bossman has been pouring decks since he was a teenager with his grandfather and has developed an approach, that while effective, is way different than what I see other crews doing. For example we ‘saw screed’ right on the form with stakes pounded down flush and follow with floats on the edges, but because of that, we run the risk of scratching up the coping and/or pulling too much mud off the inside edge of the coping or form. I like the idea of floating the edges prior to screeding as opposed to trying to establish your levels with the screed directly on the form- Seems like it would make screeding a little easier and help keep the pool cleaner. Thanks for taking the time to produce these videos, maybe I will try to employ some of your tactics when bossman is looking the other way haha. Cheers from KY
Great work again ya’ll. We call it a jointer, groover, and cutter.
Mostly call it a groover for us.
Nice Mike. I think you should always start by stating the concrete mix and slump. A lot of people watching this don’t understand how important that is for finish and when to start finishing.
The left hand has to know what the right hand is doing. That comes from experience!! Great job!!
Good comment! Thanks for watching!
Mike, you guys do amazing concrete work!
Nice job and video series. So interesting how things done on the east and west coast. I am in the NE so used to how you are doing it. How about a truck or shop tour to see what you use on jobs. Thanks for sharing your work.
I'll do that on a good day outside. Pretty soon.
This is exactly how simple concrete needs to be no chairs under steel but its getting lifted love that screed to. In australia/nz they call that a dummy joiner.
Thank you!
We call them jointers. I have an old bullfloat sawed off to about 18 inches. The actual jointer slides anywhere you need it on the bullfloat. Pretty handy putting joints behind a post. Also has swivel so you can reach further. Great video!
Thanks Brad. You're technique sounds good also.
I love your videos man. I'm a 18 yr concreter from California. We pour much like you do there. I noticed you guys broom after a mag, try giving it a medium/hard trowel before brooming. Comes out with a really nice broom. Im sure you know already.
Nice , like a well oiled machine, wish u guys were in my area.👍👍👍
Thank you Rick!
I used to do alot of these pool decks . The pool company we where subing for wanted them a super light broom . So alot of troweling . But where I live we don't run that much air entrainment just a little bit . Also another thing we used to do .Is set a small piece of expansion and cap where we would start the pour . So that when we got back around to it it would have a clean break . Basically we didn't have to blend the two loads together . Then the pool contractor would just pull the cap and caulk it .
Nice, we always blend the two loads together. We try to start where we would normally put a joint anyway. Works good for us most all the time.
I noticed you had steel mesh, but how does it reinforce the concrete if it is flush with the dirt? Does it need to be centered in the layer of concrete for it to work properly?
Yeah we call them jointers, in Indianapolis Indiana.
I have worked with a couple women in my years working in the union always been impressed with how hard and how well women can keep up with men. It would be nice to see more diversity and I mean just men and women that's all I mean LOL!
We had a fiberglass pool installed. Been waiting weeks for concrete contractor to have time...rebar came yesterday and I'm told he is gonna 'form' this week... soo I googled what that meant and found your videos. Very helpful thanks! Whats the rebar for exactly, I see yours up...maybe i'll hear that soon haha
Do you think you could get pretty close to even price wise by hiring a pump truck and only having 2 guys there? I’ve been leaning toward using a pump on many pours lately that I could get away with tailgating or wheelbarrowing because the dollar amount ends up so close and the pumper just makes for a much easier and stress free day. Thanks enjoy your videos and seeing different styles.
We tailgate when ever we can. For us that's almost always easier unless it's a really big pour. We don't wheelbarrow too much. Pumping is easier in a lot of cases but it's 850 for a pump plus the yard of concrete just to fill the pump that you don't use. That gets you to over 1000.00 bucks. I extra man doesn't come close to costing you that for a day. Plus when the pump washes out it leaves a big pile of crete to pick up after. I only pump when I have to.
How many square feet of decking is that?
Good job
Thank You!
I used to work for a pool company on construction. We poured a lot. Always tons of curves, working the cantilever coping
Cantilever copings are always fun. We do enough of them. Not too many do them up here.
We usually sweat finish(swirl finish)our pool decks it’s a nice finish and slip resistant like a broom finish 👍🏽 from California
I've done a few like that. It is a good finish. I like it.
Great video. No need for a mud buggy when you've got two willing guys like that! Very nice result. Too bad the customer didn't have you stamp it.
There good guys! Stamping would have been twice the money on this one. He just wanted a nice deck
Very nice,good job guys👀👍
What slump do you ask for? Is 3/8 stone ideal for this type of pour?
So, your concrete companies are in the "dark ages" too with those rear discharge trucks?? After seeing all the benefits of a front discharge truck, I have no idea how there is even a market for any rear discharge trucks anymore! Excellent videos!
😎👍 make sure you tell the new guys to get the concrete stretcher lol
We all did that at one time or another!
Why do pool decks set up quicker than other pours? Higher psi mix cause it or lower slump?
Quite a few guys here use a Fresno after bull floating on exterior slabs. Wouldn’t a broom finish open the surface back up if you sealed it with a steel trowel?
We like using a funny float better than a fresno. The broom would most likely open the surface back up, I just don't like to take a chance on trapping moisture. A good tight mag float with a good fine broom leaves you a really nice broom finish.
Excellent team work, Mike. Sorry if I've missed this in your commentary. It looks like the pool is vinyl lined with aluminum coping. If that's the case, how do you deal with any concrete splatters on the coping; and, is it possible to remove the coping at a later time, in case the vinyl liner needs to be replaced? I imagine the coping just pops right out, but I didn't see anyone run a straight edge between the coping and concrete. Thank you.
In the video I duct tape the coping to keep it clean, then we pull the tape when we're done finishing. The coping is permanent. It doesn't need to be removed to replace the liner.
Can't beat the Jackson poly wheelbarrow, looks like you got a bumper on front, is that for when you dump on radiant heat tubing? It's a good idea to put the first part of load on both trucks next to each other like you did, seems to me the first half yard never sets as fast as the rest of it. We call it a cutter.
Yes, for radiant heat floors. That's just about the only time we wheel anything now.
You ever do the inside with concrete then vermiculite????
How come you guys didn’t put any Steele in this slab ? Does it have a fibre glass mix in it so you don’t need Steele ?im in a Australia so I’m just checking out how you guys do things over there compared to how we do it 👍🏻
Hi mike great video and great teacher. I am putting an above ground pool ( with aluminum walls ) half way in the ground and want to place a concrete slab around it. Do I bring the slab right up against the pool wall or do I need tp place something between the pool wall and slab?
awesome video Mike. what walking groover do you use/ recommend? is 3/4 deep enough for a 4" pool deck?
Hi mike. I’ve poured my share of concrete over the years here in Michigan . You mentioned about steel troweling outside pours and how it can affect the concrete , same thing here in Michigan , was always taught not to steel trowel air entrained / outside broom finish pours , but my question has always been , when you broom the concrete isn’t it “opening” that top back up ?? I’ve just always been curious about that whole theory of trapping air below the surface .
Mike, Do you have a video on exposed aggregate concrete? This is something the is unusual in the UK which I do not understand. I know if is used extensively in the US.
do you put anything over the coping to keep it clean?
We have tape on it. We'll pull it off afterwards.
I work in pool repair, just about all the pool jet repairs i do are because they are being yanked on from settling.so i wonder if using masterseal np1 in the relief cuts would prevent future water washing of substrate.if that would be worth . Also preventing the jets,hoses and elbows from getting pulled down and damaged.
Caulking the joints is always a good idea. I don't usually do it. I only do pool decks where the sub-base is compacted really good and almost all of them go through a winter season before I pour the concrete.
In your opinion, what is the minimum width of a pool deck where building codes do not specify a minimum width? Can I get by with 12 to 18 inches? TIA
Mike I have a concrete pool deck which appears to have been laid in layers, the top layer being that mottled effect with tiny hair lines in the concrete. The deck has been down for years and two things are happening. 1. is its cracking from ground movement and 2 its lifting from a hard concrete under layer. At this point it essentially needs replacing and this time I'm thinking of laying astro turf (not least because it will cope better with our ground movement in Houston). Do you have any tips for removing all that op layer, I don't want to remove all the concrete because I'll just have to raise the ground to get back to the level I want to lay astro turf at and I don't want to lay the astro on the existing top because if lifts its going to pull up the astro attached to it. wondered if you had any advice.
I would like to know how much concrete and stones you get in the pool when you do this. Thanks!
A friend just had a pool poured and noticed after the fact that the concrete decking around pool was only 3 inches thick. Isn't 4 inches thick the minimum standard?
That's what we pour, 4". It could be a little less in other areas, I'm not sure.
You guys need a power buggy!
Old man got down
Who you calling old :)
Where did you get those knee boards
Hi Mike can you add clock to video thank you
Possibly, why, do you want to know how long it takes us to do certain things?
Yes please
@@MikeDayConcrete Yes please
Have you ever put plastic down to buy time.
It looks like the water is just right. In my mind I'm thinking when there is bleed water on the surface, it's too wet. Wondering if you think that is true?
That's not always the case. If there's a vapor barrier, you usually always see bleed water no matter what the slump is. Non-air entrained concrete bleeds more than air-entrained concrete does. Really fine aggregates seem to make the concrete bleed more than course aggregates. Mixing water does have a lot to do with it also.
I need to do a gunite trench on a hillside. Any thoughts on how to place concrete instead, or how to spray it? Never done a hillside trench, thanks
Not really, I bet someone has made a video of that though.
Wondering why you don’t put stone under the pool deck
I looked back on your channel. You guys don't wear shorts at all...or in that temp ? Can't do on a OSHA job I know. Maybe not your thing ?
Real concrete guys dont wear shorts, you also get tons of rocks in your boots if you do
We don't while we pour. Sometimes when we finish. I've been in the sun for 40 years now, trying to cover up as much as possible the older I get..
Hey Mike! I came across your video while googling for concrete pouring. Do you have any recommendations on how you handle pouring around existing pool plumbing when pouring a deck for future maintenance and access? For example, PVC 90s into returns from the pool pump. Thank you! Love the channel, subscribed!
Form around the pipes entirely, wrap them with expanded foam or sleeve them with a larger diamond pipe.
@@jeffsedletzeck3882 Thank you so much Jeff!
Is the Grover a Cadillac laser beam?
It is from Cadillac concrete products.
ready mix suppliers don't have front discharge trucks up that way?
Not all of them. This one has about 5 of them but in a different batch plant.
@@MikeDayConcrete Do you have preference? Obviously you have to know how to work with both types being that they aren't all one or the other.
What was the total price of this pour?
why didnt you raise the mesh into the concrete
Heard you say you would do business formation videos. How would you go about pricing this kind of job?
The wheel barrow vs pumping (850$ difference)
$850 ?? How much are concrete pumps out there ? This would’ve been about $300 out here in Southern California.
how much do you charge per sq foot? a buck?
Where is your business located?
What a perfect day to work in.All you need is the forest animals to come out and start singing
Haha, yes just what we need.
What do you charge for this job?
You can ask me in my private facebook group "Concrete Ninja's" just ask to join and i'll approve you. I don't talk prices on this channel.
@@MikeDayConcrete Thanks for that, I will ask to join. I am a pool builder in Fiji so I am curious prices in the states.
Where's the power buggy?
Where is the rebar?
Concrete, concrete, concrete, concrete Only this word is heard throughout the video.
Nice to see someone use a wheelbarrow not a pussy pump ,pour concrete like a man to many people using pumps skipping the true appreciation for concrete work . Must be nice to pour so thin and no mesh or rebar that would crumble on first frost here in ontario
It's 4" thick, that's standard for our pool deck. It had mesh, the girls were pulling it up as we wheelbarrow the crete. Thanks for watching Shane!!
No point putting mesh down if it doesn't get lifted
I agree.
Jointer
Who wants to go work for Mike and Wheelbarrow 40,000 lbs of concrete.
Ladies
They kick butt!!