It occurs to me that the reason Caramalinda is so fond of Liam is because she’s also in a position where she’s a political tool. And she’s pushing him to get married so he doesn’t end up married to someone he doesn’t love, like she is.
Caramalinda truly understood the dangerous position her family was in. She was tough on the girls because their enemies won’t hesitate to kill someone just because they’re naive children. They needed to grow up quick and understand the risks they were taking were not acceptable. So good to see this trope done well, and not just have it be a typical “uptight haggy wife/mom” thing. Caramalinda was a boss who knew how the fucking game worked dude and she was right from the get go.
@@devinspencer1678 I think it was more that she ended up with Amethar, who was always going to be their favourite, especially since she was busy ruling the kingdom. She ended up with all of the not-fun parenting moments and was overly protective because she didn't trust Amethar (and by extention their kids, though that's understandable from a parent) to keep them safe when there were times she probably should have.
I love how Emily said "this is a really intelligent party, you guys are really good" right before Liam asked if Caramelinda ever had a thing with Lazuli, her former wife, despite everyone else in the party fully knowing they were married
It felt good to have Brennan at the end of the season declaratively state that Caramelinda was not a villain, but in fact scared of the situation her family was put in, because though you could clearly see that her motivations were not out of ambition but mere survival, you could also see how someone not really paying attention to her point of view could think she’s a Cersei
@@Wretchrotbut because her daughters disliked her so much, I can see why it was more up in the air, because the girls were seen as the heroes and mom was ruining their fun. Up until they proved her right 😢
here's the thing tho, making decisions is always a choice, and when ur decisions affect everyone, its important not only that your people feel free to make their choices, but that you seem free to make yours as well. so when the queen treats her own children that way, it would be rather hard for any "lowborn" to have any sympathy nor any loyalty to a queen who sees freedom as a clinched fist instead of an open hand. but yes, i understand that her situation is inescapable for her so she's doing what she *believes* she must. that being said it is a "got" era thing, so if they all just ran they could have probably just disappeared, never to be seen again. it doesn't accomplish much, but treating people the way she did accomplished the opposite of what she wanted, rather obviously. kingdoms are complex, until a greater king comes along.
@ most lowborn families, if they start a fight in a bar, the consequences usually don’t leave the bar, there’s an even higher chance of those consequences not starting a war, and most lowborn families are not privy to Caramelindas raising of her daughters, until the moment those daughters kick off some shit, we have to remember that regardless of what and who began the Ravening War, it was Nobility killing Nobility, this is not a common occurrence and the war is still fresh in everyone’s mind that holds power in this unstable era, the woman she actually wanted to have children with was brutally killed and there was no Justice for it other than a faceless army being wiped out, now she sees her children being raised and brought up to be like their father who treated life and war as a game, he lost his whole family while she lost a love and he didn’t seem bothered about it until that war that he wanted reached his daughters throat, she learned just how easy it is to lose everything before she had rule of Candia, then she watches as she loses her daughters to her manchild husband, then one is murdered, then here comes a volatile unstable bastard surrounded by cutthroats who wants to strip everything her remaining child has, yeah idc if her attitudes a little tart (😀) she is looking at her kingdom at the knifes edge wondering why no one is talking about fixing this
i started crying when she said "i cant help but wonder if you died think i didnt love you" because i felt the generational trauma soo strongly caramelinda is a great character :(
I love all the moments where they cut themselves off because it makes rewatches so good. Amethar when talking about why he likes horsing around with Jet and Ruby says "this is around the time when..." and trails off. He still misses his sisters. And when Carmelinda is exasperated and exclaims "What is wong with you?! Who did I marry? Do you think..." she was probably about to invoke Lazuli's name, or maybe ask what Amethars sisters would have wanted. They're still grieving the same people, but are unable to be emotionally vulnerable to eachother. Its not until Jet dies that they realize they need eachother, if not as lovers then at least as partners.
Lou's characters and Brennan's NPCs have the most interesting relationships. This relationship is probably the most nuanced and heartbreaking, especially the "this is just politics" moment.
When I watched the first episode, I was like "I came here to watch candy people attack bread people, and instead I'm watching a marriage fall apart. If it was ever a marriage ever at all"
Listen, I love Caramelinda so much. The weight of most of these scenes isn't lost on me. Truly an underrated character AND campaign. However. Imagine having to distressingly scream "MY LINGERIE IS *THICK!* " in a desperately dramatic moment and do it without any second thoughts. I think it beyond most people, but thankfully not Brennan.
Actually the best line in this campaign and it was almost a throwaway line. I just rewatched it for like the 4th time and that line took me out! Idk how I missed it the previous times I watched it but I had to replay that part like 4 times immediately after. She was truly appalled at the accusation.
Caramelinda is one of my favorite NPCs in all of dimension 20. She is such a complicated and rich character in a genre that usually does not let women have complex relationships. Truly incredible.
Amathar and Caramelinda never got the opportunity to see if they could actually fall in love, but I feel at the end they found a different, more companion level love
She’s my favorite of Brennan’s NPCs. Even though she was introduced negatively, it was clear she was extremely intelligent and probably the primary voice of reason
Caramelinda was a great character. So well-portrayed by Brennan. Good to see her and Amethar becoming not loving partners, but good companions by the end of the series.
This season is legitimately a work of art. Brennan built a goofy food world full of deeply intricate, flawed people and the players fully embodied their characters to the hilt. None of this feels like improv. It's amazing.
I know she's a teen, but Ruby is played SO utterly selfish at the funeral. She acts like Caramelinda is 'blaming' Jet for her own death, when Caramelinda is just distraught that her daughter is dead because she never heeded her warnings-- and she's completely right.
@@KaelWrit Yes, but that doesn't excuse her behavior. I was younger than Ruby and blamed my mother for a lot of the same things, but I grew up and was then able to see her perspective, and that I was in the wrong as much as I had my right. Caramelinda, like every character in A Crown of Candy, is a complex character with layers of plots and emotion. I really love how she's written. A survivor of a series of traumas and devastation desperately trying to prevent that from happening to herself and the people around her. But Ruby is also an interesting character in and of herself. She is a reckless, privileged teenager who wants to be free, and only realizes why all those walls were up in the first place when her sister died. She is absolutely selfish, as any teenager raised from privilege to war would be, but by the end of this compilation specifically she shows compassion for not wanting to lose any more family. In a way they are kinda perfect parallels of one another, a mix of grief, lashing out, and desperately trying to protect themselves and their loved ones. Ruby can be a selfish teenager and a compassionate sister at the same time. Caramelinda can be a strict mother and a terrified survivor at the same time. None of this has to exist as villain or hero, good or evil, and that is what makes A Crown of Candy so good. The layers upon layers of building so it all looks grey, and you can understand and find interest in any character's perspective.
That's what political paranoia does. Get them before they get you. Remember, Amathar was very recently, and literally, stabbed in the back by his closest friend and ally in a bid for power.
Even if we never got to meet Sir Amanda Maillard, she was mentioned, so she does exist in the world, even if Ally never got to play her... Maybe Caramelinda did get her love story, somehow, someway
I love the sad “yeah we had those nice mugs made. I liked them”. …There is no emoji that captures the ‘oh, that was so cute, my wife and I were so happy back then. Shame that life went to shit after that. Oh well.
It occurs to me that the reason Caramalinda is so fond of Liam is because she’s also in a position where she’s a political tool. And she’s pushing him to get married so he doesn’t end up married to someone he doesn’t love, like she is.
Caramalinda truly understood the dangerous position her family was in. She was tough on the girls because their enemies won’t hesitate to kill someone just because they’re naive children. They needed to grow up quick and understand the risks they were taking were not acceptable.
So good to see this trope done well, and not just have it be a typical “uptight haggy wife/mom” thing. Caramalinda was a boss who knew how the fucking game worked dude and she was right from the get go.
@@SirenChats yup, because they didn't listen to her clear instructions
Her biggest weakness was interpersonal. She couldn't relate to her kids, or make them understand the situation
@@devinspencer1678 I think it was more that she ended up with Amethar, who was always going to be their favourite, especially since she was busy ruling the kingdom. She ended up with all of the not-fun parenting moments and was overly protective because she didn't trust Amethar (and by extention their kids, though that's understandable from a parent) to keep them safe when there were times she probably should have.
My fav Cara moment was when her mini was revealed and Lou excitedly said "Another secret black woman!" 😄😄
I love how Emily said "this is a really intelligent party, you guys are really good" right before Liam asked if Caramelinda ever had a thing with Lazuli, her former wife, despite everyone else in the party fully knowing they were married
It felt good to have Brennan at the end of the season declaratively state that Caramelinda was not a villain, but in fact scared of the situation her family was put in, because though you could clearly see that her motivations were not out of ambition but mere survival, you could also see how someone not really paying attention to her point of view could think she’s a Cersei
Well, she was more of a Catelyn Stark, but much more likable
@@Wretchrotbut because her daughters disliked her so much, I can see why it was more up in the air, because the girls were seen as the heroes and mom was ruining their fun. Up until they proved her right 😢
here's the thing tho, making decisions is always a choice, and when ur decisions affect everyone, its important not only that your people feel free to make their choices, but that you seem free to make yours as well. so when the queen treats her own children that way, it would be rather hard for any "lowborn" to have any sympathy nor any loyalty to a queen who sees freedom as a clinched fist instead of an open hand. but yes, i understand that her situation is inescapable for her so she's doing what she *believes* she must. that being said it is a "got" era thing, so if they all just ran they could have probably just disappeared, never to be seen again. it doesn't accomplish much, but treating people the way she did accomplished the opposite of what she wanted, rather obviously. kingdoms are complex, until a greater king comes along.
@ most lowborn families, if they start a fight in a bar, the consequences usually don’t leave the bar, there’s an even higher chance of those consequences not starting a war, and most lowborn families are not privy to Caramelindas raising of her daughters, until the moment those daughters kick off some shit, we have to remember that regardless of what and who began the Ravening War, it was Nobility killing Nobility, this is not a common occurrence and the war is still fresh in everyone’s mind that holds power in this unstable era, the woman she actually wanted to have children with was brutally killed and there was no Justice for it other than a faceless army being wiped out, now she sees her children being raised and brought up to be like their father who treated life and war as a game, he lost his whole family while she lost a love and he didn’t seem bothered about it until that war that he wanted reached his daughters throat, she learned just how easy it is to lose everything before she had rule of Candia, then she watches as she loses her daughters to her manchild husband, then one is murdered, then here comes a volatile unstable bastard surrounded by cutthroats who wants to strip everything her remaining child has, yeah idc if her attitudes a little tart (😀) she is looking at her kingdom at the knifes edge wondering why no one is talking about fixing this
i started crying when she said "i cant help but wonder if you died think i didnt love you" because i felt the generational trauma soo strongly
caramelinda is a great character :(
I love all the moments where they cut themselves off because it makes rewatches so good. Amethar when talking about why he likes horsing around with Jet and Ruby says "this is around the time when..." and trails off. He still misses his sisters. And when Carmelinda is exasperated and exclaims "What is wong with you?! Who did I marry? Do you think..." she was probably about to invoke Lazuli's name, or maybe ask what Amethars sisters would have wanted.
They're still grieving the same people, but are unable to be emotionally vulnerable to eachother. Its not until Jet dies that they realize they need eachother, if not as lovers then at least as partners.
Lou's characters and Brennan's NPCs have the most interesting relationships. This relationship is probably the most nuanced and heartbreaking, especially the "this is just politics" moment.
example: fabian and chungledown bim
When I watched the first episode, I was like "I came here to watch candy people attack bread people, and instead I'm watching a marriage fall apart. If it was ever a marriage ever at all"
Listen, I love Caramelinda so much. The weight of most of these scenes isn't lost on me. Truly an underrated character AND campaign.
However.
Imagine having to distressingly scream "MY LINGERIE IS *THICK!* " in a desperately dramatic moment and do it without any second thoughts. I think it beyond most people, but thankfully not Brennan.
Character moments! \o/
Actually the best line in this campaign and it was almost a throwaway line. I just rewatched it for like the 4th time and that line took me out! Idk how I missed it the previous times I watched it but I had to replay that part like 4 times immediately after. She was truly appalled at the accusation.
You know, they never did address what that lingerie or that letter was doing in her room
Caramelinda is one of my favorite NPCs in all of dimension 20. She is such a complicated and rich character in a genre that usually does not let women have complex relationships. Truly incredible.
1:55 - “You were bamboozled by scarecrows” Caramelinda is savage
Man, the harvestmen really were everywhere
@@chaoticwhenever1457 That would explain everything wrong with the Bulbian church
Amathar and Caramelinda never got the opportunity to see if they could actually fall in love, but I feel at the end they found a different, more companion level love
'Here's to good companionship' but like for real this time
*lou voice* i love my curvy wife
33:54 - just timestamping the lead up to the devastating line “this is just politics.”
Came just for this scene
She’s my favorite of Brennan’s NPCs. Even though she was introduced negatively, it was clear she was extremely intelligent and probably the primary voice of reason
Caramelinda was a great character. So well-portrayed by Brennan. Good to see her and Amethar becoming not loving partners, but good companions by the end of the series.
This season is legitimately a work of art. Brennan built a goofy food world full of deeply intricate, flawed people and the players fully embodied their characters to the hilt. None of this feels like improv. It's amazing.
1:01:36 Cumulous saying "this was open knowledge" lives rent free in my head
Liam's disappointed "oh, ok :T" is also there in the guest room
Asexual Liam when she says she has love WITH sex: "oh, ok." total loss of interest 😂 love the representation
But also the heartbreaking part: "It was always sex, sex, sex. Love? Never heard of it." JE-SUS.
40:15 I know everyone loves the scene where he backstabs Amethar, but this has to be my favorite Calroy moment
The little sing-song voice is so good
42:30 obligatory timestamp for caramelindas funniest line that goes completely unnoticed
So sad we didnt see Caramalinda and Lazuli in the Ravening War
I know she's a teen, but Ruby is played SO utterly selfish at the funeral. She acts like Caramelinda is 'blaming' Jet for her own death, when Caramelinda is just distraught that her daughter is dead because she never heeded her warnings-- and she's completely right.
yknow, people, especially teens and kids, really do that during mourning. It's real.
@@KaelWrit Yes, but that doesn't excuse her behavior. I was younger than Ruby and blamed my mother for a lot of the same things, but I grew up and was then able to see her perspective, and that I was in the wrong as much as I had my right.
Caramelinda, like every character in A Crown of Candy, is a complex character with layers of plots and emotion. I really love how she's written. A survivor of a series of traumas and devastation desperately trying to prevent that from happening to herself and the people around her.
But Ruby is also an interesting character in and of herself. She is a reckless, privileged teenager who wants to be free, and only realizes why all those walls were up in the first place when her sister died. She is absolutely selfish, as any teenager raised from privilege to war would be, but by the end of this compilation specifically she shows compassion for not wanting to lose any more family.
In a way they are kinda perfect parallels of one another, a mix of grief, lashing out, and desperately trying to protect themselves and their loved ones. Ruby can be a selfish teenager and a compassionate sister at the same time. Caramelinda can be a strict mother and a terrified survivor at the same time. None of this has to exist as villain or hero, good or evil, and that is what makes A Crown of Candy so good. The layers upon layers of building so it all looks grey, and you can understand and find interest in any character's perspective.
...Man. This campaign. I swear to god, it hit *SO HARD*, so consistently. Just great play all around.
thank you for this public service
Brennan’s like “Caramelinda was never bad, she was just paranoid”
Meanwhile Caramelinda was saying stuff like “please murder your allies in battle”
That's what political paranoia does. Get them before they get you. Remember, Amathar was very recently, and literally, stabbed in the back by his closest friend and ally in a bid for power.
Any underpants can be tear away if you try hard enough
Caramelinda deserves to have an affair more than pretty much any other character I've seen
Had Liam died she would've the whole time
Im pretty sure amathar would be cool with it too
Even if we never got to meet Sir Amanda Maillard, she was mentioned, so she does exist in the world, even if Ally never got to play her... Maybe Caramelinda did get her love story, somehow, someway
31:00 no wonder I thought the bit where ally takes over the DM seat is uncannily spot on lol
1:01:55 best moment ever 😂 Liam always asking the important questions
I love the sad “yeah we had those nice mugs made. I liked them”. …There is no emoji that captures the ‘oh, that was so cute, my wife and I were so happy back then. Shame that life went to shit after that. Oh well.
NPC of all time 💖 This compilation is art, gonna add it to my rotation of comfort watches
Queen Carmelina deserves everything good in the world
44:30 OOOOF….
I like this a normal amount. Honest
1:08:39 timestamping this because it’s my favorite caramelinda moment
She worked through her own resentment to show him real compassion
ACOC was so good I can’t 😤
THIS THAT GOOD SHIT
Thank you for putting this together!
I swear to you, I thought she just looked like Lapin the entire series. Just another chocolate bunny
mommy? sorry. mommy? sorry. mommy? mommy? sorry.
27:43 In retrospect, 😬😬
Queen Caramelinda sounds like Stollas from Helluva Boss :D
Anyone else fall asleep listening to these 😌