[32] - 160" 16:9 screen, scope screen-masking, jtr subs delayed & more!
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- Опубликовано: 29 авг 2024
- - 160" 16:9 spandexworld 120" tall white screen installed
- 120" tall white rosebrand material removed (awful!)
- jtr subwoofers delayed
- infrared extender installed
- 2.39:1 black velvet screen masking created
- screen masking automation?
- rear seats secured into riser framing 
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HiJonathan, glad you posted an update. I've followed your build from the beginning and really enjoy watching your progress. Love the masking you did for your 16:9 screen and would love to see a video specifically on that if you do get around to it. Look forward to your next one.
Awesome! Screen masks are a game changer, and so cheap and easy. Don't know why they haven't caught on in a big way with the home theater crowd. People will do every last upgrade and room modification, yet skip something so simple and effective. I get so much joy from looking at a movie framed in nice and crisp with no grey bars. You get to experience a beautiful scope screen, floating in space, framed in perfectly, while still retaining an equally beautiful 16x9 screen without compromise. I REALLY miss masks on a switching aspect ratio movie, but I console myself and try to remember that the rest of the home theater world watches ALL of their movies with grey bars.
At my local theater, they have masks, but they stopped putting them down. Of course they're using an expensive professional projector, but the movie will be better-looking at home, simply because of the masks I use.
I've tried a few times to come up with a hing based system, but could never get it to work. Like what you did there! Would be sweet if automated, but that's not too bad they way you have it.
Have plans to automate! And agree 100%, it drastically improves the picture quality.
Sorry for your loss. Great job with the masking!
What's up Jonathan? Number 1 sorry for your loss. I'm glad to see you back. I really enjoy your videos. That screen masking solution is awsome. I know you want that chest pounding bass like where it takes your breathe away but did you ever think getting transducers. I have 4 auro bass shakers installed on my seats hooked up to a bash 300s and they really do and another dimension. To be honest I couldn't watch a movie without them. Keep up the great work brother. Look forward to seeing your next update.
Sir you are my hero, you remind me of myself, looking forward to what you do next.
Greetings Jon, glad to see you back in the game, sorry to hear about the loss. I have downsized my system to just JTR stuff now. I have grown to really like his stuff, and I feel content for now. Spent more time listening and less time tinkering at this point...I guess that is the goal. I look forward to seeing you around youtube and AVSforum. Hang in there man.
Bro...I know exactly what you mean about life happening and how it impacts your projects. Family is always a priority and when an event like a death happens, it can understandably alter your path for a while. Very sorry for your loss but great to see you back in the hunt. Just remember what Kevin Kostner said about the golf swing to Halle Berry in the movie Tin Cup..."perfection is unobtainable" but that doesn't mean that we don't still try.
I think your HT is already more than amazing, but I also can't wait for your next video to see what "improvements" you make next...😏
well said.
Looking good man! Sry for ur loss. Looking forward to more updates. I’m still loving my PSA speakers as well. They’re incredible!
Ok let me ask you guys. I have a 9x14.5x9ft room. If I use the psa mt 110s for my front stage and the 2 surrounds they have do you think that's overkill for a room that size? Will be using as part of a 5.2 setup with a sony 590 avr. Zeos of z reviews says they can be used with a regular avr because of their efficiency.
Tre Long no such thing as overkill get the PSA speakers and prepare to be amazed!
Wow! Very cleverer solution!
Glad to see no cheesy Chinese led light show there. Room looking fantastic!
Btw, most Sony projectors have blanking, it basically forces 2.35:1 into all 1.78:1 content, you still need masking though for hiding the grey bars! Watching GOT in 2.35:1 is kinda fun 😀
But if you watch Game of Thrones in 2.35 ratio don’t you just cut the top and bottom off? So basically you see less of it just so it fits in the ratio you want? Am I correct?
With projection video black masking is a must !
Awesome job staying with 16x9 and adding mask! 🤘
Looking good my friend!!!!!
Great Job! This is how masking should be done. I don't understand why some people mask their screens from side to the side which essentially makes the screen smaller. Top and bottom (like yours) is my preferred way because it still maintains the large screen size and it's also great for films with shifting aspect ratios (Christopher Nolan films, Mission Impossible Fallout etc.). Automation masking would be awesome but your DIY is still fantastic!
thanks! i think the majority of projection setups run CIH (constant image height), as opposed to what i went with (constant image width), which is why many sacrifice height vs width. i'm with you 100% though, i absolutely love having the widest image possible and being able to "open" up the screen fully for extremely immersive 16:9 content (e.g., imax footage from nolan films, documentaries, high quality tv shows, etc.).
I honestly prefer the sound of speakers set to large. Even when you have subs it still sounds fuller,more natural to me
Hello Jonathan,very useful information!
I'm glad I clicked on your video. Almost ordered the spandex from that rosebrand company and glad I didnt
cool keep it up
makes it worlds better.....got an electric screen so gonna do the same but with magnets to hold it in place......wish ide thought of it years ago.........
yeah once you see the difference with masking you can never go back to grey bars for sure!
I did the same thing but used small really strong magnets, like dime sized to hold the masking in place when in use. would love to see an automated solution at the push of a button. (I wrapped felt around ridge foam insulation)
What you have done looks good, but my only comment is that a widescreen movie should be bigger, not smaller. What you want is CIH.. constant image height.
i have the largest possible scope image (wall to wall width). i added the height back to the screen which now has me back at 16:9 (~160"). with masking, the scope image is the exact same size as the scope screen i was using prior to this one, except now if i want open matte and the "imax @ home" feeling, i can. i now have constant image width, not height. best of both words.
Hey John ,
Quick question what is the distance from the screen to your projector? Awesome set up by the way man ! I know you have had many subwoofers over time . I’ve been debating the psa v1812s with the neo drivers any thoughts of those ? Or the rhythmic fv18 just not sure what to go for any thoughts I’d appreciate thanks bud !
i run a ~19' throw distance which is larger than most but it's not by choice it's really the only way to pull off that size screen in my room (which means i have to run the projector harder than most). i think either of those subs you would be very happy with but i would also highly consider the jtr captivator 2400 too. i feel a tad biased recommending jtr over those 2 but i would given i've heard a ported 18" psa sub (which was great!), i owned multiple rythmiks and now the cap4000. the captivator is just in the next tier above imo (if you're chasing ULF..).
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Thanks Jonathan I appreciate you getting back to me ! Yeah After some thought I think I’m sold on the jtr I’m sure psa is awesome but I’m after Ulf so I think that’s the one for me
I had a 4:3 ratio projector and I hate the grey light, I just fix it by adding 2 black tapes up and down outside the lens where the light goes out without touching the lens. I solve the problem from 4:3 to 16:9,... and for the 2.39:1 ratio, I always play movies on vlc, so there is an option to turn 2.39:1 to 16:9 aspect, and you will notice no difference. The movie plays full aspect of 16:9.
What you're talking about Seymour screens has look into it beautiful setup 👍
yeah Seymour seems to be the one to beat. i will check them out!
@@aaromon43 do you know if buying spandex to build a screen is cheaper than the Seymour UF material I tried looking at spandex world couldn’t really find anything for a screen
Great video. I'm so glad you did a update as I've really been enjoying your build and have watched the past videos many times. I really liked your solution for masking the 16.9 screen for 2:40.1 as I've been debating whether to go 2 40.1 and mask for 16.9 or your way. I want to game and watch 16.9 stuff and 2.39.1 movies so your solution is perfect. I've been worried going with a fixed 2.40.1 screen and the 16.9 being too small when masked. Awesome job, looking forward to your next update.
thanks so much, glad you have enjoyed my ramblings haha. 2.4 really is ideal for (most) movies, but it's so nice to have the giant 16:9 screen for using the screen as a computer monitor, 16:9 movies, gaming, etc. when i had the dedicated 2.4 screen i felt like i cheated myself out of other uses of the system but now with the giant screen & masking i feel like it's the best of both worlds. i think i'll try to make a more detailed video of how i made the masking including material & putting it together in hopes that it helps someone else thinking about doing the same. i thought about doing that for such a long time and it finally clicked one night. i didn't mention in the video but the top masking panel i have neodymium magnets in the panel & ceiling and when the panel hits the ceiling it clicks into place, it's pretty far out. i'll have to show that better in the next video. best of luck with your projects!
@@aaromon43 I built my wooden 2.40 screen frame with magnets recessed so the masking will just "click" into place when watching 16:9.
Keep up the good work JL. I enjoy your ramblings and you ever evolving room.
@@aaromon43 i really love your solution. From what I've understand in your videos your MLP is the front row of seats and when you watch a scope movie to get the immersion feeling you seat there. But now that you have the 16x9 image and is taller than your scope movies do you still seat in the middle front row or do you go back to the second row since the image is taller? i ask bc i've read that it is recommended to have less than 15 degree for vertical watching a image so it won't bother you looking up and down . Is this real ? This will be my first dedicated HT and will like to get the right screen for the job.
@@MrEpaulino26 thanks! to your question, it really depends on what you're watching. nature documentaries, slower paced movies (think joker), certain tv shows like the expanse (seeing huge epic space battles is awesome!) look incredible on a giant 16:9 screen. however as you suspected, there's plenty of content that is shot too close up to the actors faces, and/or fast camera movement and suddenly the screen is too large to enjoy the content at ~13' away. so yes, i either move to the 2nd row or watch it upstairs on my tiny 52" tv haha. most big blockbuster movies are (usually) still shot & released in scope (variable aspect ratio imax stuff notwithstanding), so not usually a problem. i LOVE being able to have the choice to switch between the two though. and sure i could have kept just the scope screen and played with the zoom on the projector to get a constant-image-height and much smaller 16:9 image but that's just too small (for me), would rather the picture a little larger than i prefer than have it too small.
@@aaromon43 thanks for the reply i understand now. Thanks for clearing that out. Your HT room is an inspiration to us all keep up the good work. Love the black velvet on the room it really looks cool.
You briefly mentioned if when you sell your home...heh...something HT people might overlook. We spend the money we do to get THE HT room we want. Or close to. Only to one day having to make chances to sell the home. Keeping in mind there will be buyers who might not want a HT room. What's wrong with them right? But they exist. :) So depending on how much we spent on just creating t he room (forget the electronics/seating costs)...what if we sound proofed the room? Not sure how much that would run roughly if we do that "right"...then we have to remove the acoustic treatments from the walls...maybe close up the rectangular "hole" in that one wall where the screen//speakers were...basically turn the room into a "normal shoebox shaped room". You almost feel like only selling the home to "HTophiles". But you can't do that or shouldn't. As the goal is to make as much money as possible from the sale. (w/o spending money to make the sale happen) Catch22.
Hate to be the guy who had a custom Theo Kalomirakis HT room done. Costing $1-2M. :) Then finding out the buyer wants the home....But W/O the HT room...hehe...
Haha.. just looked up for your latest video few hrs ago...
Since you ditched the roasebrand. What have you used now ? I want to get the milliskin from spandex world and they never have black. Any solution ? Link ? Thanks
i kept the 120" tall black rosebrand for the backing but switched the front white covering to spandexworld 120" material. it's MUCH better than the white rosebrand. if you don't go above ~140" 16:9 you don't need the 120" tall material and can use the 58" tall material instead.
Thanks for the updates. Looks like this is going to be my future for a few months/years. I may have missed it, but id you keep the black spandex as a bottom layer, or do away with it when you switched to the 120" tall white?
kept the rosebrand 120" tall black layer (back) but switched to 120" tall spandexworld white (front). while it's not perfect it's really good for how little it cost!
Masking. Screen/projector people get so caught up in getting some kind of masking mechanism in. Whether it's a pice you lift into place secured by velcro, a string pulley or an automated 2 way or 4 way from Seymour or Steward or Si....if you're watching a film like The Dark Knight that switches back and forth between 16:9 and 2.35:1...there will be image bleed over...either on the top/bottom or L/R...so what does one do then? Live with it. Till some company makes a motorized 4 way masking screen that will on it's own change aspect ratios when it detects markers in the films..."just" needs a CPU and a simple program. Not sure if a film like DK actually has markers at the start over every aspect ratio change.
I just rewatched Batman Begins last night. One aspect ratio. Don't recall if the 3rd DK movie has one aspect ratio or 2...DK Rises. Why did Nolan do that with DK anyway??? :)
Wow !!! Were you ever able to automate it ?
I have been following your videos and learnt a lot. I have two questions. Plz clear my confusion. 1. The image area (excluding the top bottom gray bars) shown by a 16:9 projector is 2.35:1 ?
2.How do i adjust my 16:9 projector functions to get 2.35:1 screen. ?
Some projectors can be adjusted manually in settings some others can not.
Hi Jonathan! I am from India, have been following ur videos on home theatre and really like them. For my home theatre room which is under construction, I am planning to get the same screen fabric from USA Spandexworld website. The unit mentioned there is in Yards. My screen size is 128" diagonally (118" width and 50" height) 2.35:1 ratio. So, how much yards of fabric will be required for diy screen?
Just want to say definitely a nice system but I'm a projector owner as well and I'd say 60% of the reason why I bought a projector was for the size and the other 40% is to watch native movies that are native 2.35 with no bars . But the 1992 Aladdin is not native 2.35 it's native 1.85:1 . So what did you do to it stretch it out? I always like to watch my movies in their native aspect ratio so if it's a native 2.35 It should be electronically stretched for a panamorph lens if its -1.85 then you take the lens away that's what I do anyways get back to me thanks overall cool..
i can force a crop for any movie (16:9, 1.85, 2:1, etc.), to be 2.35, 2.39, etc., using software like VLC in windows.
If you got a company to make you something to remote adjust your aspect ratio let me know! b/c I know Screen innovations has done this already and i am pretty sure they have some sort of patent on this.
i'm researching how to automate the panels and will 100% make a video once i achieve this to share what i learn with everyone else. the dream is being able to press a button and having the aspect ratio change and to hide the ugly grey letter-box bars with black velvet masking
You really need camera stabilisation. I’m dizzy now.
that's intentional 4d immersion.. hah. kidding of course. i hear you though.
How many feet do you sit away when you watch a Nolan movie on this? I.e. changing aspect
front row is ~13' away, rear row is ~17'. i only really watch content from the front row (rear row is more for over-flow seating with guests). i've slowly worked up to this size over many years. when i setup my first screen it was only ~100" and i was sitting even further away than i do now.
did you get the jtrs yet
yes sir, running dual cap 4000's right now.
Can you post a link to your screen material.
So you know what kind of gain the screen has vs spandex
spandexworld.com/c3/catalog/product/15949
the gain is very similar to the 58" wide white matte milliskin. it's probably ~0.6 gain.
@@aaromon43 hows the larger spandex screen material working acoustically. Im watching your videos and planning on doing the same wall to wall type screen. Mostly worried about the sound quality going through it with it being 90% poly and 5% spandex?
@@trevalin456 i can't notice a difference at all versus what i was using before. works great!
There are better, cheaper and easier ways of removing black bars. As you seem handy with diy projects, you can make an anamorphic lens using a pair of crystal wedge awards like this: www.crystalblanks.com/catalog/wg-152050
It's super easy and there's tons of info online. I used that diy method for my first anamorphic lens and it worked really well. It's easier and cheaper to use motorized curtains to mask the side borders for 16:9 content (like they used to at the theater). Hiring a robotics company to make custom actuators would almost definitely cost way more than anyone in the diy space could stand.
Or, just put black velvet around the screen and use a projector with lens memory (plus curtains for the sides). Also, replace the white screen material with a gray screen or you'll never get great blacks with any projector. There's no such thing as black light. Projectors rely on total darkness for blacks. A diffuse white screen lights up the room too much to retain decent contrast.
With all that velvet and carpet, you must have a serious dust problem.
carpet is vacuumed and i have a 400 sq ft air filter running 24/7 in the room. also had all of the ducts cleaned this past spring. not very dusty honestly. could never go back to dark painted drywall.
Projector epson 👎🤢🤮..... BENQ , JVC , OPTOMA 👌😍DLP
a projector upgrade is definitely in my near future!
@@aaromon43 I love my epson! It works great for color accuracy. Also it doesn't have the rainbow effect! 👍
Rainbow effect and 4cm light border issues say hello.
DLP has many negatives...