They declared PANPAN right over my head! I wonder why they went all the way to Goose Bay rather than landing right away. It was a rainy day but nothing bad.
One of the most professional diversion situations I have ever watched both the crew and the controllers handle this without missing a Beat this is how you get it done
Always excellent to see Emirates pilots always in constant communication something I don't see as much with some North American emergencies communications on this channel.
My uncle spent two years in Goose Bay during his time in the Canadian Air Force. It can get so cold that they used to just leave their trucks running to prevent them from freezing up solid.
why not? geese are able to successfully fly and land with 0 engines. it is a positive sign to be diverted there with half of your engines failed, an OMEN even lol
I guess it wasn't enough of an emergency to want to land at Iqaluit. I think the runway there is long enough to land anything since they did the cold soaking tests of the 380 there, I think. Probably not a lot of other facilities, though.
Iqaluit is in the middle of nothing. If they landed there the passenger recovery plan would have been more expensive and complicated. B77w is rated ETOPS330 so in theory they had enough time to complete the flight to KORD and in practice the flew roughly 2 hours single engine to a more served airport to better accomodate passengers and crew. Remember that in case of a diversion the emergency does not end when you land but you also have to feed amd accomodate passengers and carry them to their original destination.
The towns are the same size, and roughly equally remote. You can drive to Happy Valley, unlike Iqaluit -- but it's 1500 km to the nearest city, so basically you have to fly. Iqaluit and Happy Valley are about equidistant to Montreal, we're closer to everything West of there. Airlines divert here without issue. We've had two 787s divert here in 2018: Air Canada on medical on July 1 (I thought maybe it was a promotional thing for Canada day when I saw it coming in for landing, but no), Speedbird on smoke in the cockpit in September -- I thought it was our Amazon deliveries (Cargojet flies their 767 here nearly every day) but looked up and realized it was a bit bigger and shinier. There was also a Swiss 787 that lost an engine in February 2017 (I wasn't in town for that one), and I'm sure several others in the past. The AC flight turned around in an hour or so, no biggie. I understand a flight attendant just got some medical attention before going on. It was a bit odd to have medical emergency fly in to here given how often we medivac people *out*, but we do have a regional hospital. The brits had the passengers deplane overnight and leave on a new plane in the morning. The emergency aircraft left just a few hours later, after getting checked out. Swiss kept the passengers on-board overnight because at the time we didn't have customs (the new terminal opened August 2017, they landed in February 2017). They sent a new plane to pick them all up the next day. That emergency plane needed a new engine, so they shipped one up on the An-225, replaced the engine in town, and flew the bird home.
Not a technical person at all, but I am wondering why at 4.25 they mention wanting to save fuel? They were still a distance from their intended destination of Chicago so should have had plenty?
Great vid but it was interrupted by a news alert bulletin that apparently a U.S. pilot killed today while in a training exercise in a Ukrainian (?) built aircraft.😞 Oh! And I do like the weather overlay you did on this! Nice touch!
MAYDAY is major problem with the aircraft; PANPAN is something that could lead to a problem but isn't yet, or something that's a problem not with the aircraft (like a passenger medical issue). This flight could maintain altitude, fly headings, etc -- it was basically fine so long as it didn't also lose the other engine. Single-engine is probably the most practiced flight issue for twins.
One day last week I saw something strange going on with a Federal Express Jet. I apologize but I can't remember what day it was. There's a certain flight path that the FedEx Jets come in on to land at Alliance Airport, which is located north of Fort Worth Texas. Well, this jet was flying south, away from the airport, and an altitude low enough that I could see the windows on the plane ... extremely low...very unusual. I was driving on the freeway, but I tried to slow down enough to be able to watch it. It made a wide turn and then headed north, basically on what would be the normal flight path, only extremely low altitude, and I assume it was going back to land. Just curious if you knew anything about what was going on with the plane?
A mayday is only meant to be used when there is imminent risk to life and limb. Pan-pan is for any other emergency that needs to be dealt with immediately but there is NOT imminent risk to life and limb
The pilot in this case says "problem with the right hand engine" which implies it's likely still functioning and providing thrust but not operating as expected or within normal limits, so a "pan-pan" is suitable, as it could be a developing problem and may later be upgraded to a "mayday". If it was an outright engine failure then "mayday" is the only sensible call. Search for a youtube video of a Thompson bird strike and you can hear the British pilot in that case immediately call "mayday" as it was an outright engine failure (rather than a developing 'problem').
Ben Hollingbery ATIS, Automatic Terminal Information Service. This information contains the latest weather report for the airport. Runway information and any other important info that may be of use to the pilot. Each report is given a letter code, starting with Alfa, Bravo, etc. Basically, the alphabet. When the pilot states he has Bravo, he means he has the weather. Often, the weather report may change since he last listened to it, so if he states he has Bravo, and that is no longer current, the controller would then issue the latest current weather, Charlie.
Ruben Villanueva I’m pretty sure the letters are for regular METAR report intervals, and don’t change for SPECIs. If the weather changes from the issued report, you’d be notified in flight when talking with a controller.
NorthernChev Sometimes aircraft have to be flown to a maintenance facility, with important inoperative equipment. For example, an engine, no radios, or other internal equipment necessary (navigational receivers) etc. An FAA flight permit authorization is required and when issued that "Ferry Flight" is done.
The second you issue a "Pan" or especially a "Mayday"...you no longer REQUEST clearances, vectors, speeds, altitude's etc... At that point you (if time allows in the case of a Mayday) are now simply declaring where you're going and it's ATC's job to ensure you don't hit anything metal or granite. At that point you become the most important airplane on their "scope" so ATC is already (if they're good) starting to move people around and anticipating a diversion, descent etc... All this "request" is a waste of time.
You could do that, but you don't have to. If you have no maneouvering problems you don't need to, then it is better to request and ATC will comply as much as possible. You have top priority once you utter pan-pan-pan or mayday-mayday-mayday.
TakeDeadAim This must be new, When an aircraft declares a Mayday or Pan, he is handled as a priority. The pilot relays all pertinent info concerning the emergency to ATC. ATC, will assist him by providing all headings, vectors, and special requests. If the flight is on an airway, ATC, may start to clear the airspace below him, if not he will be taken off the airway for descent. Pilots must still request what they need, and it is approved by ATC. Never have I had an emergency go flying about the sky doing whatever, it is a team effort between pilot and controller to get the aircraft down safely.
I'm not saying he just starts barking orders at ATC, however in reality all he needs to do is let them know where he's going, when he's going to be there and it's ATC's job to ensure his directives are complied with. There's really no "as much as possible" to it. The Pan or Mayday has priority regardless...the "Pan" meaning it's just not as urgent and there's more time to handle the "requests". If the pilot chooses to phrase it as a "request" then so be it...however it's a request which has only one real answer..."Wilco".
Right hand engine, someone did not master aviation English, especially port and (in this case) starboard. Though I would say that right hand engine is pretty unambiguous use of words.
And aviation is based on maritime rules and terminology. Seriously look up the terms and you will maybe learn that they are used in aviation as well for rather obvious reasons. And many people use left and right on ships too because they have never learned the difference between port and starboard.
There are many factors that go into a diversion, there are rules that must be followed from the manufacture and company procedures . Also the pilots must take into consideration Fuel, Time, Weather, Altitude and the extent of the problem. Most companies and crews would say its better to be safe than sorry, they made the right decision.
*Diverting is always a tough decision.*
VASAviation - ooh! Never really hear about Goose Bay... glad some minor airports get respect some days.
Engine failure in a twin - a diversion is a no-brainer, just a question of where to.
Especially when it’s goose bay...
They declared PANPAN right over my head! I wonder why they went all the way to Goose Bay rather than landing right away. It was a rainy day but nothing bad.
Benoit Hudson , Boeingchecklist “ land at nearest suitable airport “. Suitable can take into account facilities, familiarity etc
One of the most professional diversion situations I have ever watched both the crew and the controllers handle this without missing a Beat this is how you get it done
All those hours in the simulator are paying off .
Always excellent to see Emirates pilots always in constant communication something I don't see as much with some North American emergencies communications on this channel.
emirates 235: talk to me goose...
Top Gun
that Brit sounds like he'd be fun to fly with
Nice. I like the weather overlay!
Tnx again for all your work!
Awesome video once again!!✈️😀
Very nice. Huge liked!
Well diverted ... Good video mate..
I've never heard of Goose Bay before but I knew it was in Canada.
I wouldnt want to fly to "Goose" Bay after having the engine fail...
My uncle spent two years in Goose Bay during his time in the Canadian Air Force. It can get so cold that they used to just leave their trucks running to prevent them from freezing up solid.
@@johnferguson7235 Still likely better weather than Iqualuit.
why not? geese are able to successfully fly and land with 0 engines. it is a positive sign to be diverted there with half of your engines failed, an OMEN even lol
Great video 👍
This has just happened again now with an AirFrance 77W (F-GSQH). I hope the landing went well and everyone onboard is ok.
Are they going to Goose or Gander????
I guess it wasn't enough of an emergency to want to land at Iqaluit. I think the runway there is long enough to land anything since they did the cold soaking tests of the 380 there, I think. Probably not a lot of other facilities, though.
Iqaluit is in the middle of nothing. If they landed there the passenger recovery plan would have been more expensive and complicated. B77w is rated ETOPS330 so in theory they had enough time to complete the flight to KORD and in practice the flew roughly 2 hours single engine to a more served airport to better accomodate passengers and crew. Remember that in case of a diversion the emergency does not end when you land but you also have to feed amd accomodate passengers and carry them to their original destination.
The towns are the same size, and roughly equally remote. You can drive to Happy Valley, unlike Iqaluit -- but it's 1500 km to the nearest city, so basically you have to fly. Iqaluit and Happy Valley are about equidistant to Montreal, we're closer to everything West of there.
Airlines divert here without issue. We've had two 787s divert here in 2018: Air Canada on medical on July 1 (I thought maybe it was a promotional thing for Canada day when I saw it coming in for landing, but no), Speedbird on smoke in the cockpit in September -- I thought it was our Amazon deliveries (Cargojet flies their 767 here nearly every day) but looked up and realized it was a bit bigger and shinier. There was also a Swiss 787 that lost an engine in February 2017 (I wasn't in town for that one), and I'm sure several others in the past.
The AC flight turned around in an hour or so, no biggie. I understand a flight attendant just got some medical attention before going on. It was a bit odd to have medical emergency fly in to here given how often we medivac people *out*, but we do have a regional hospital.
The brits had the passengers deplane overnight and leave on a new plane in the morning. The emergency aircraft left just a few hours later, after getting checked out.
Swiss kept the passengers on-board overnight because at the time we didn't have customs (the new terminal opened August 2017, they landed in February 2017). They sent a new plane to pick them all up the next day. That emergency plane needed a new engine, so they shipped one up on the An-225, replaced the engine in town, and flew the bird home.
How did you get this audio?
Not a technical person at all, but I am wondering why at 4.25 they mention wanting to save fuel? They were still a distance from their intended destination of Chicago so should have had plenty?
John Duncan Thanks!
Great vid but it was interrupted by a news alert bulletin that apparently a U.S. pilot killed today while in a training exercise in a Ukrainian (?) built aircraft.😞
Oh! And I do like the weather overlay you did on this! Nice touch!
Is PANPAN the same as MAYDAY and it’s just a regional thing or do they mean different things?
MAYDAY is major problem with the aircraft; PANPAN is something that could lead to a problem but isn't yet, or something that's a problem not with the aircraft (like a passenger medical issue).
This flight could maintain altitude, fly headings, etc -- it was basically fine so long as it didn't also lose the other engine. Single-engine is probably the most practiced flight issue for twins.
Wow.
*Canada Goose has joined the chat*
FUCK CANADA GOOSE! THEY SKIN CANINES!
Why not emirites235 heavy?
Would make me very nervous when one engine fails, especially over water
they give the plane two engines for a reason not to mention etops is a thing.
One day last week I saw something strange going on with a Federal Express Jet. I apologize but I can't remember what day it was. There's a certain flight path that the FedEx Jets come in on to land at Alliance Airport, which is located north of Fort Worth Texas. Well, this jet was flying south, away from the airport, and an altitude low enough that I could see the windows on the plane ... extremely low...very unusual. I was driving on the freeway, but I tried to slow down enough to be able to watch it. It made a wide turn and then headed north, basically on what would be the normal flight path, only extremely low altitude, and I assume it was going back to land. Just curious if you knew anything about what was going on with the plane?
goose arrival lol
2:25 Gander or Goose buddy? Gander has no runway 8
An emergency? No one declared an emergency!!!
I have to wonder who ended up rescuing the passengers on A6-EQC, given that it was grounded for a week.
They settled in Canada
They're still in the terminal
The bus driver :)
How come some pilots call out a pan-pan and others call out a mayday for an engine out? Is it because of the nature/condition of engine failure?
Pan for mechanical problem, mayday for imminent danger.
American pilots usually declare "an emergency" for any problem.
haha...yes from all the dramatization I have seen.
A mayday is only meant to be used when there is imminent risk to life and limb. Pan-pan is for any other emergency that needs to be dealt with immediately but there is NOT imminent risk to life and limb
The pilot in this case says "problem with the right hand engine" which implies it's likely still functioning and providing thrust but not operating as expected or within normal limits, so a "pan-pan" is suitable, as it could be a developing problem and may later be upgraded to a "mayday". If it was an outright engine failure then "mayday" is the only sensible call. Search for a youtube video of a Thompson bird strike and you can hear the British pilot in that case immediately call "mayday" as it was an outright engine failure (rather than a developing 'problem').
What does Information Tango mean?
It means that crew received weather information Tango. Check in google what ATIS is.
Ben Hollingbery ATIS, Automatic Terminal Information Service. This information contains the latest weather report for the airport. Runway information and any other important info that may be of use to the pilot. Each report is given a letter code, starting with Alfa, Bravo, etc. Basically, the alphabet. When the pilot states he has Bravo, he means he has the weather. Often, the weather report may change since he last listened to it, so if he states he has Bravo, and that is no longer current, the controller would then issue the latest current weather, Charlie.
Ruben Villanueva I’m pretty sure the letters are for regular METAR report intervals, and don’t change for SPECIs. If the weather changes from the issued report, you’d be notified in flight when talking with a controller.
What is a ferry flight?
No passengers flight, basically transporting the plane to its hub.
Are emirates pilots Middle Eastern or from abroad?
Mostly abroad.
Pilot asks for 08 at “Gander...” not Goose Bay. Interesting...
Probably just a slip of the tongue since he was talking to Gander radio at the time. Pilot was clearly setting up for Goose Bay.
David Poulin yeah you’re right,
Interesting accent that the pilot has ... 🤔
My grand mother was on the plane 😠😠
What is a "ferry flight"?
its when a plane is repositioned empty of passengers
Engine was replaced, and the plane re-positioned to Dubai without passengers to rejoin the schedule.
sometimes an airline will move an airplane completely empty just because they need it at a different airport in the morning, that is a ferry flight.
NorthernChev Sometimes aircraft have to be flown to a maintenance facility, with important inoperative equipment. For example, an engine, no radios, or other internal equipment necessary (navigational receivers) etc. An FAA flight permit authorization is required and when issued that "Ferry Flight" is done.
When the gremlins take over the cockpit.
The second you issue a "Pan" or especially a "Mayday"...you no longer REQUEST clearances, vectors, speeds, altitude's etc... At that point you (if time allows in the case of a Mayday) are now simply declaring where you're going and it's ATC's job to ensure you don't hit anything metal or granite. At that point you become the most important airplane on their "scope" so ATC is already (if they're good) starting to move people around and anticipating a diversion, descent etc... All this "request" is a waste of time.
I am pretty sure that applies to mayday only.
You could do that, but you don't have to. If you have no maneouvering problems you don't need to, then it is better to request and ATC will comply as much as possible. You have top priority once you utter pan-pan-pan or mayday-mayday-mayday.
TakeDeadAim This must be new, When an aircraft declares a Mayday or Pan, he is handled as a priority. The pilot relays all pertinent info concerning the emergency to ATC. ATC, will assist him by providing all headings, vectors, and special requests. If the flight is on an airway, ATC, may start to clear the airspace below him, if not he will be taken off the airway for descent. Pilots must still request what they need, and it is approved by ATC. Never have I had an emergency go flying about the sky doing whatever, it is a team effort between pilot and controller to get the aircraft down safely.
There's a reason why he is flying that plane and you aren't.
I'm not saying he just starts barking orders at ATC, however in reality all he needs to do is let them know where he's going, when he's going to be there and it's ATC's job to ensure his directives are complied with. There's really no "as much as possible" to it. The Pan or Mayday has priority regardless...the "Pan" meaning it's just not as urgent and there's more time to handle the "requests". If the pilot chooses to phrase it as a "request" then so be it...however it's a request which has only one real answer..."Wilco".
Right hand engine, someone did not master aviation English, especially port and (in this case) starboard.
Though I would say that right hand engine is pretty unambiguous use of words.
NetAndyCz not completely sure but a friend is flying private and he and all controllers in Europe are using left and right.
Thats sailing communication ur talking about. As far as I know, right and left engine is common in Aviation.
Or engine no 2
That is primarily maritime. There's a reason he is in the cockpit and not you.
And aviation is based on maritime rules and terminology. Seriously look up the terms and you will maybe learn that they are used in aviation as well for rather obvious reasons. And many people use left and right on ships too because they have never learned the difference between port and starboard.
Captain Maggie would have turned off the offending motor and continued with the one engine
What a coward the Emirates was...
There are many factors that go into a diversion, there are rules that must be followed from the manufacture and company procedures . Also the pilots must take into consideration Fuel, Time, Weather, Altitude and the extent of the problem. Most companies and crews would say its better to be safe than sorry, they made the right decision.
if she did that then she would most likely be fired from whatever company she worked at.
Trek001 They did a ferry flight (single engine) all the way back to Dubai. You'll take a beating for doing anything like that with pax onboard.
I saw where it said that they did a ferry flight but I saw nothing indicating it was single engine
Ferry flight was after engine replacement FYI