Mats Ek’s point of view to embody the Rite into modern societies tradition to sacrifice women is very interesting and legitimate. It’s not only a myth nowadays. I wish I could see it.
legitimate ? i wholeheartedly disagree... based on what he says in the video, it seems to me that he politicizes and sophisticates the original story into something that it wasn't originally, attributing intentions that aren't necessarily there... for instance, the original choreography suggests that the Chosen One is determined by a game that's akin to musical chairs... and then she must dance herself to death, but nobody can force anyone to do so... at best, they can keep the person within an enclosed space from which they cannot escape, but they cannot make them do it, it's dance : the person necessarily has to do it willingly... and they cannot even threaten to kill her nor hurt her if she won't, because the ritual specifically asks that the Chosen One dances herself to death... being sacrificed and sacrificing oneself are two very different things... and anyhow that does not necessarily entails dubious patriarchal traditions nor control-thirsty old men... in the original choreography there is an elder woman who takes part, and nothing implies that she is forced to do so... also, tradition is not bad merely just because it's tradition... traditions are not necessarily based in superstition and ignorance just because they are rooted in the past, and some of them clearly convey great wisdom through time and generations... and it must be said that societies which try to rid themselves of some of their core traditions are putting their own future at risk, just like a tree would if it tried to get rid of its main roots... « but she dies in the end ! » some might say... sure, but this only appears unacceptable to those who believe in some sort of nihilistic death, after which there's nothing but absolute nothingness... yet if death is in fact a passage, and the possibility of a leveling up, as is suggested in several cultures and traditions, then it is indeed a privilege that the Chosen One is granted : the opportunity to reach a higher plane of existence, and moreover to do so in an heroic and noble manner, in the service of others... that being said, i'm not suggesting that the other story wouldn't make an interesting ballet, but it's not quite The Rite of Spring, and possibly it should be called something else and use different music, because it's denaturing the Pictures of Pagan Russia into a political commentary which grounds are not necessarily entailed by the original story... if Mr. Ek wants to tell that other story, then why don't he commission a composer to craft music especially for it, instead of trying to hijack the genius work of Stravinsky and exploit its quality and celebrity ?
@@christopher.stewart I respect your point of view even if you don’t see that tradition can lead to violence in our modern world. We have many examples of violence against women currently in Russia, China, India, Africa etc. That’s what Mats Ek says in the interview when he says that the Rite can be translated into our modern times. Women are sacrificed in the name of religion (Iran), politics (Russia, China), traditional practices like excision in Africa for example. Tradition is not always as positive as you think. Unfortunately it’s often a tool of repression.
@@catherinecozzano2580 please explain how my comment implies that i don't see how tradition can lead to violence, and that i think that tradition is always positive ? again, being sacrificed and sacrificing oneself are two very different things... and once more, Ek's commentary/story is possibly relevant, but it's not the Rite of Spring, so the legitimacy of his so-called translation and use of the score is at the very least arguable... i have no doubt there are scores of composers out there who would jump at the chance of writing music for this, and make this a truly legitimate creation... either you don't properly understand my point of view, or you're willingly misrepresenting it... so clearly you don't respect it...
@@christopher.stewart I don’t think the Chosen one sacrifices herself. I think she executes the old men’s decision to dance herself to death to fulfill the omen of the group. She submits herself to the Rite because the tradition wants her to. Does she have the choice? But you obviously disagree with that. Never mind.
@@catherinecozzano2580 clearly, the Chosen One has the choice to comply or not... possibly, she has the option of not taking part in the selection process, and likely she can choose to leave the tribe altogether prior to the whole thing... also, as already stated, no one can force another person to dance to death... if they were opposed to such a ritual, the other maidens, and/or the elder women could for instance refuse to take part altogether, or possibly rebel and stop the whole process as it unfolds, but they don't... likely, all those who take part understand and accept the tradition, and the Chosen One is willing to fulfill her duty, and that she has been selected by fate... she accepts to dance herself to death, as the tradition requires, so that the tribe survives another year... but that doesn't mean that she finds the sacrifice easy to perform, especially given that she learns that she's the Chosen One on the spot... however one is mentally prepared, the experience and the thought of that experience are to very different things... and most importantly, as previously stated, there's nothing that implies that her death is a bad thing for her... as previously suggested, she possibly actually wants to ascend to a higher world through sacrificing herself, but that doesn't mean that the experience is not frightening to her... obviously, you have the right to see things otherwise, but in this particular instance i think you're seeing your own prejudice against old men and tradition, as opposed to seeing something that was necessarily part of such rituals and thus part of the Rite of Spring...
Mats Ek’s point of view to embody the Rite into modern societies tradition to sacrifice women is very interesting and legitimate. It’s not only a myth nowadays. I wish I could see it.
legitimate ? i wholeheartedly disagree... based on what he says in the video, it seems to me that he politicizes and sophisticates the original story into something that it wasn't originally, attributing intentions that aren't necessarily there...
for instance, the original choreography suggests that the Chosen One is determined by a game that's akin to musical chairs... and then she must dance herself to death, but nobody can force anyone to do so... at best, they can keep the person within an enclosed space from which they cannot escape, but they cannot make them do it, it's dance : the person necessarily has to do it willingly... and they cannot even threaten to kill her nor hurt her if she won't, because the ritual specifically asks that the Chosen One dances herself to death...
being sacrificed and sacrificing oneself are two very different things... and anyhow that does not necessarily entails dubious patriarchal traditions nor control-thirsty old men... in the original choreography there is an elder woman who takes part, and nothing implies that she is forced to do so...
also, tradition is not bad merely just because it's tradition... traditions are not necessarily based in superstition and ignorance just because they are rooted in the past, and some of them clearly convey great wisdom through time and generations... and it must be said that societies which try to rid themselves of some of their core traditions are putting their own future at risk, just like a tree would if it tried to get rid of its main roots...
« but she dies in the end ! » some might say... sure, but this only appears unacceptable to those who believe in some sort of nihilistic death, after which there's nothing but absolute nothingness... yet if death is in fact a passage, and the possibility of a leveling up, as is suggested in several cultures and traditions, then it is indeed a privilege that the Chosen One is granted : the opportunity to reach a higher plane of existence, and moreover to do so in an heroic and noble manner, in the service of others...
that being said, i'm not suggesting that the other story wouldn't make an interesting ballet, but it's not quite The Rite of Spring, and possibly it should be called something else and use different music, because it's denaturing the Pictures of Pagan Russia into a political commentary which grounds are not necessarily entailed by the original story... if Mr. Ek wants to tell that other story, then why don't he commission a composer to craft music especially for it, instead of trying to hijack the genius work of Stravinsky and exploit its quality and celebrity ?
@@christopher.stewart I respect your point of view even if you don’t see that tradition can lead to violence in our modern world. We have many examples of violence against women currently in Russia, China, India, Africa etc. That’s what Mats Ek says in the interview when he says that the Rite can be translated into our modern times. Women are sacrificed in the name of religion (Iran), politics (Russia, China), traditional practices like excision in Africa for example. Tradition is not always as positive as you think. Unfortunately it’s often a tool of repression.
@@catherinecozzano2580 please explain how my comment implies that i don't see how tradition can lead to violence, and that i think that tradition is always positive ?
again, being sacrificed and sacrificing oneself are two very different things...
and once more, Ek's commentary/story is possibly relevant, but it's not the Rite of Spring, so the legitimacy of his so-called translation and use of the score is at the very least arguable... i have no doubt there are scores of composers out there who would jump at the chance of writing music for this, and make this a truly legitimate creation...
either you don't properly understand my point of view, or you're willingly misrepresenting it... so clearly you don't respect it...
@@christopher.stewart I don’t think the Chosen one sacrifices herself. I think she executes the old men’s decision to dance herself to death to fulfill the omen of the group. She submits herself to the Rite because the tradition wants her to. Does she have the choice? But you obviously disagree with that. Never mind.
@@catherinecozzano2580 clearly, the Chosen One has the choice to comply or not... possibly, she has the option of not taking part in the selection process, and likely she can choose to leave the tribe altogether prior to the whole thing... also, as already stated, no one can force another person to dance to death... if they were opposed to such a ritual, the other maidens, and/or the elder women could for instance refuse to take part altogether, or possibly rebel and stop the whole process as it unfolds, but they don't...
likely, all those who take part understand and accept the tradition, and the Chosen One is willing to fulfill her duty, and that she has been selected by fate... she accepts to dance herself to death, as the tradition requires, so that the tribe survives another year... but that doesn't mean that she finds the sacrifice easy to perform, especially given that she learns that she's the Chosen One on the spot... however one is mentally prepared, the experience and the thought of that experience are to very different things...
and most importantly, as previously stated, there's nothing that implies that her death is a bad thing for her... as previously suggested, she possibly actually wants to ascend to a higher world through sacrificing herself, but that doesn't mean that the experience is not frightening to her...
obviously, you have the right to see things otherwise, but in this particular instance i think you're seeing your own prejudice against old men and tradition, as opposed to seeing something that was necessarily part of such rituals and thus part of the Rite of Spring...
3:27 What's her name?
Waiting this surely marvelous coreography