WE DONE WITH THE 90'S!!!
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"We done with the 20s!!!" Lebron was out there playing door dashers and tik tokers!!
Playing twitch streamers and podcasters (technically true) 💀
Not funny
People don’t understand nba started in 1946 with compete different rules. It’s wasn’t even the same game as todays. Wilt was playing a sport after 10 years it was invented so Ofcourse he played against players that never touched a basketball growing up. And mj era grew up idolizing and studying guys from that era. We saw a complete shift in 2000s with Kobe, Tracy mgrady, ai , bron etc. because those players studied mj and by that time sport had consistent rules and was a little old by than. Still only 50 years old wiht so many rules change. Today or in next 10 years players will be at peak. All rounders like jocik and Luka. Because they have all these Influence plus anyone can study any nba players game on thier phone in 4K anytime, something even mj didn’t had the facilities of doing. Think about that! And nba keeps making changes in rules just shows it’s a new sport that’s evolving. But one day nba wouldn’t need to change rules anymore. Probably in next 10 years. So there’s so much you can improve skill wise at that point just like any another sports. As a mordern society we are only like 300 years old lol. Just how the society changed rapidly in first 200 years but nothing really changed in last 25 years. If players kept improving then there will probably be a players averaging 40 point triple double lol. That’s the only exception and I don’t see how that possible with a team sport of 11 players lol.
@@sabjot602 im sure the people in the 70s 90s 00s said rthe same
@@sabjot602 everything you just said was said before in a different era kids are already looking at scores from the 00s and calling guys shot Chuckers and ball hogs
Oh my god I just realized the footage of Westbrook's entire Lakers tenure will be held against us when we become the old heads 😭
We gotta get rid of that footage and say Russ retired in those 2 years
Omg that’s probably what they did with Jordan
@@JulienKorneryeah that’s when he was on the knicks for a year and they scrapped the footage and said he did baseball
Yall opened this cann ask for forgiveness and move on
Everything is recorded these days. Full games. So we can always go into the archive
"Jordan had no left hand" And I took that personally - JXMY
Jordan Is Trash Kobe Labron And Curry Are Mush Better Than Him
@@davonwilliamson1476 WILD
@@davonwilliamson1476 Jordan trashed? Lebron is trashed he loss 6 championship and always walk out when they're losing he doesn't had winning mentality for championship 4-6 is a losing record men
@@davonwilliamson1476Any evidence to back up your claim?
@@davonwilliamson1476 You are a troll. MJ was a faster, stronger, and more athletic version of Kobe. Here is Lebron air balling countless FTs: ruclips.net/video/1ghyi-rtd0A/видео.html
bro went above and beyond to prove mike had a left hand😭
😭😭😭😭😭😭
and dawg he proved it 😂
If he would have used the 80s it would have been different 😂
@@jiggyxd1925 No it wouldn't kid
@@jiggyxd1925almost like he got better lol
Excited for when the kids start saying “WE DONE WITH THE 20s!” in 30 years when I’m an old head 😂
shit is not happening at all unc
@@bigshadiie4623 they gonna show lakers westbrook footage 😭 (love the brodie tho)
That's now bro
@@suin4707oh god west brook is screwed it’s already happening for him😭
@@bigshadiie4623 yeah i dont see this happening either unless it really does get to the point where everyones 7'7" with a bag
“But Unc giannis could only run and dunk” I spat out my water 😂
thanasis has a better bag
@@mtxumihes my personal goat
This is true
@@mtxumiGoes to show how overrated having a bag is. Giannis worse bag but is a top 5 player, Thannasis better bag but is one of the worst players in the nba
@@GG-fy2bmyea bags are stupid. A hesi fadeaway cross over. Is still worth the same as a dunk
MJ was averaging 20+ ppg at 39 years old a year before lebron was drafted (Lebron averaged 21 his rookie year) and he was doing it against the same guys that were sending Bron home in the finals.
Prime MJ would be every bit as good now as he was then.
Ur saying a rookie lebron avged more points then MJ in his own era?
@@legenius4966yep rookie LeBron was better than 40 year old MJ 👍🏻
@@davidrbelanger23Dream on Bron hooker! lol
You missed the part where Jimmy literally mentioned how players of todays NBA have tailored their games to have much wider and greater skill sets. MJ is not hitting 3s like Steph or any player of the sort. His game would not be nearly as lethal in an NBA league that already has guys doing what he did
@@legenius4966 averaged 0.9 PPG more on less efficiency and playing more minutes per game. And 2000s Jordan era? 😂
Thats LeBron era buddy, Jordan belongs in the 80s and especially the 90s. This just proves Jordan was dropping 20 PPG on LeBron future competition while being 40y and washed.
One reason that the skill level nowadays is higher is that the NBA now truly draws talent from the whole world.
Rule changes help, too. Easier to do stuff when you're allowed to palm/carry the ball and take extra-steps, and can't hand-check.
@@ron88303players just got more skilled too, point guards in the 90s didn’t have Kyrie, Steph or Luka skill set it’s called evolution, in the the 90s the 3pt. Line was shortened because guys couldn’t shoot well back then.
@@davelouie131 The rules for ball-handling were a more stringent back then, not to mention more permissive checking on defense. Plus, the 3-pt line was only shortened for three years and then moved back. I'm not denying that is evolution is one of the factors, but the difference between today and then is a combination of factors.
@@davelouie131 Thing is, Kyrie, Steph and Luka, if they did those dribble moves they do today in the 80's/90's, it would be called for a travel, carry, double dribble etc. Almost every single possession would be illegal back then. But yes, todays NBA draws talent from a bigger pool and has more people trying to join the league than ever before, making it more competitive and thus, more skilled.
@@davelouie131 devolving. you dont need to dribble so much. move the ball move yourself, get to your spot and hit the shot. EFFECIENCY.. you talking about FLASHINESS.
“Some snotnosed brat telling me my GLORIOUS 🤴🏿 was trash” - Jimmy Highroller 2042 💀
“Curry can’t compete in the 2170’s, he’s trash” - Some kid in the future be like
2042???
U did this comment wrong, why tf did u put 2042😭🤣
@@ComicXanz well that will be true curry would just be a miniature role player who had an above average jumpshot
@@thekumbucket2157 ..because that's when it's going to happen? Your brain okay?
We knew he was preparing something
There's a reason as to why a lot of older fans are disgruntled with the current NBA product though, which he didn't acknowledge. He actually mentioned the reason when discussing how the league has changed, namely the changing of the rules. Currently, the NBA heavily favors offensive players. While this makes for highlight plays and high scores, a lot of older fans feel like this also waters down the competitive aspect of the sport. You genuinely can't defend at times. The offensive player is allowed moves that in other era's would have been carries or travels while the defender can't even touch the offensive player. With how the rules are set up right now, it's almost impossible to stay in front of your man. This becomes even more of a problem due to the fact that when an offensive player initiates contact, the defender often gets called for the foul. Don't get me wrong, I still like the modern NBA but I would love for referees to allow some more defense and to call travels/carries a bit more strictly. Keep the gather step, just be a bit more consistent and defense-oriented on everything else.
@@ivonbeton4725wrote a whole dictionary
@@3rr1k_ikr I’m not reading all that shit. Put that in the main comments😂
@@3rr1k_yall jimmy high roller cheerleaders are why basketball is soft
@@darnellwilliams8783you "BaSkeTbaLl iS sOft" people are exactly who he was addressing in the video.
I am so sorry you had to make this video… it’s like a professor educating his freshman students. Thanks for the lecture my man.
ruclips.net/video/bEHHB9R6g6g/видео.htmlsi=PvivP57F62MYn6cU
Phenomenal video. In a generation where debates are emotion fuelled and surface level, based on shallow opinions and subjectivity as opposed to objectivity, it's so refreshing to see a creator with the platform Jimmy has look at things objectively and promote a more nuanced, fair, truth-oriented/data oriented way of thinking. It's sorely needed and the take this video has on the whole argument is absolutely perfect. The truth is that the answer is neither extreme, it's always somewhere in the middle and this video encompasses that perfectly.
That piece on Jordan's left hand was exceptional. Brilliant.
Both times only did a couple of seasons to make his point why not do all seasons
@kaysupreme9577 Because the data isn't available. This was 130 games showing no indication that MJ had "no left". Wtf you want? Jesus fucking Christ to descend and tell you MJ had a left?
@@kaysupreme9577bro not tryna spend his whole life watching 1000 games lmao he picked a more than fair sample size in mjs prime. accept the facts, mj had developed his left hand
It wasn’t. He picked 8 games then specifically chose 3 years of Jordan in his prime to make a point.
This is still far too small a sample size. And I’m saying this not to hate because I paid very close attention to this video really hoping he could convince me. My bias is for jimmy tbh not against him.
But you not going to have a good argument with 3 seasons bro. Do his whole career, he doesn’t even have to include wizards gameplay, but do the whole career to solidify the point.
@@Slxndrr ofc he’s in the nba but that don’t mean because he’s Jordan just use his good years show us when he was playing bad to all I’m saying , they calling him black Jesus buts it’s multiple games looking real average or regular player in todays game, y’all always do that with Jordan use his good stats and forget bout the old but any player today flaws always get point out first
I'm 43 and have been watching basketball since the late 80's. Magic is my favourite player of all time. I can appreciate both how the game has evolved and still remember highlights from back in the day. If you weren't around when Jordan was playing, it's hard to understand just how unstoppable he was. It's like how science has become far more complicated, but Einstein was still a brilliant physicist. Just because it's evolved as a field, doesn't mean there weren't trailblazers and superstars many years ago.
Exactly. Imagine modern scientists saying "Einstein competed against BUMS who spent half their time solving equations on chalkboards that we can do in a .5 seconds with ChatGPT"
Well put brother
perfect comparison with einstein
he’s not better than bron bro give it up
@@user00nyxLeBron isn't even top five. His longevity is impressive, though.
43 here, still watching basketball and I love this video. Jordan is forever the GOAT (for me) because he changed the game when I was a kid. Steph changed the game. Lebron is just a freak of nature. All great, and would be, in any time. BUT yes, the skill top to bottom in today's NBA is SOOOOOOO much better now. AAU was not a thing, now it practically generates a billion dollars worth of commerce every year between teams, travel, sponsors, hotels, meals, etc.
I love the way these videos have a great flow to it. It’s like I’m reading a new chapter of my favorite manga.
Marcin Gortat was incredible in the pick and roll with the Wizards.
Yes! John Wall and that mid 2010s Wizards were so underrated. Wall, Beal, Otto porter, gortat, young oubre. I’ll miss them
Marcin Gortat was incredible in the pick and roll with the Wizards.
Marcin Gortat was indeed incredible in the pick and roll with the Wizards.
Marcin Gortat was indeed incredible in the pick and roll with the Wizards.
😂
JxmyHighroller the type of guy to randomly hit you with the most prolonged mindboggling thoughtprovoking one liner on a random thursday afternooon
It’s a quote by a instagramer and RUclipsr who got big overnight. Whome I’ve been following for a few years and out of the blue he just started growing
Highroller is the kind of guy who doesn't know that the word "devolution" exists because he is the product of it.
@@gandydancer9710 How is he devolving
@@pleasedont7439🚪👈🤣
@@pleasedont7439 Highroller raises un-self-aware stupidity to levels never previously seen on RUclips. I've supplied multiple examples. (~"The emphasis on offense has meant an increase in skill level", ~"No one said the 60's were better than the '90s so we can't say the 2020's aren't better than the '90s", ~"McHale thought that what Ainge had done was magic") How is that not devolution?
Your videos are absolutely next level! I cannot even imagine how much time and effort goes into creating them 🙏🏻
I remember a clip where Michael was breaking down how to defend Lebron, saying he had no left so I knew MJ knew about tendencies. Given the competitor that he is, I'm also confident that if he had a weakness like that, he would have corrected it. Sure enough, I was not disappointed.
The part when he explained the violation calls with the travelling and carrying was eye-opening. They were limited with what they were allowed to do and the rules being relaxed is a huge factor for sure.
thats just for dribbling though.
every player in the nba shoots the ball better than ever
This point is so important in the debate. The game has changed so much and they were much more limited back then. People who are fans of the 90s and 2000s just want those rules to come back.
Duh. Imagine if they got worse at shooting while having more freedom vs the defense
@@LeapingRathave you ever played basketball before or are you just another dumb zoomer couch potato? Dribbling and foot placement is a huge part of shooting.
well thats because thats the rules its not necessarily limited lol its just the rules. these players today just commit violations constantly lol. Its not a bag if you have to stretch the rules to make them seem like they have one.
"DOUBLE DRIBBLE! DOUBLE DRIBBLE!" God that is hilarious
😂😂😂
*Enraged Kevin McHale voice*
And people think kyrie or Iverson would be insane in the 80s and 70s....99.99% of his moves would be illegal back then😂...that's why context matters
YEAH AND HE WOULD GET USED TO IT.@@ezeuzuka3344
@@ezeuzuka3344 You're the reason why "we done with the 90's" exist.
Yall went and gave jxmy a reason to go back and once again prove jordans greatness eventhough he wasnt trying
Perfectly explained Jimmy. Great execution as always. Thank you 🙏🏽
To be fair the "WE DONE WITH THE 90'S" VOICE is hilarious, makes you want to repeat it
True lol
Ong as a meme, this is amazing. For basketball discourse tho, iss prolly the worst thing since PER first hitting the scene 😂
Yes amazing meme
Shits just funny to say
@@ThisDude234no it’s not because it was a lot of bad basketball
40 years old here. I agree. This is the best take on this discussion I have ever seen. Well done.
WE DDone Witth THE 90s 🔥🙏😭
@@handleofthehabibi when you are trying to throw off michael jordan but always end up throw yourself off xd
Free throw percentage was worst in the 90s and 80s compare to now 🤡 the only real metrics we cant compare and player shoot more 3s so we have to assume mf are better nos
I agree
Question out of curiosity: He mentioned Rick Mahon and Alton Lister as guys whose role was to foul other players.
When did that become less common?
And would players like that just not make a roster now?
What an amazing recap, data analysis and comments! Incredible video. Great work!
These videos are ridiculously incredible. Thanks for the hard work Jimmy
Jordan making 1074 moves and only turning the ball over a total of 51 times is INSANE
No way that’s true based on all the footage i have seen
He’s the GOAT what can you say? 😅
@@mrpatman1163that’s Lebron
@@LPB09nah it’s Mj
@@Inoscopedjfk_1 nah Bron
On a scale from 1 to 5; the quality of this video is 25+. The information, the visuals, the idea and presentation are excellent. If I didn't know this channel; I would think this is a 30 for 30 documentary by one of the best sports producers or directors of our era. Absolutely beautiful job on this one.
I'm only 7 minutes in, but no. The problem is that Jimmy is good at gathering data, but has no idea how to interpret it because hes clueless about basketball
Let's start with the guards turning their backs instead of trying to create separation. That's because hand checking made it easier for defenders to crowd the ball handler.
Then the FT%. I'm sure it's just a coincidence that it started to dip at the same time when physical defense started to gain popularity. Probably a coincidence, too, that it bottomed during the most physically demanding season, in '99. And let's ignore that until '17 it was still under '80s level, with one spike above in '09. Funny how it started to shoot up, just like scoring, after the league softened the rules even more in 2018
3P% : looks mostly flat since 1995, so...
Free throws per FGA: maybe because the number of 3p attempts increased over the years and you don't foul a 3p shooter
@@michael_carmichael thats the whole point of the video. the game evolved. he didnt bash them calling them trash. he talked about how different the playstyle was because of how far the game has come. for example he stated how they would turn their back rather than creating space like in current basketball because handles have revolutionized the nba.
YOU MUST BE NEW TO JIMMY. HES THE GOAT. I LEGIT BUY POPCORN TO WATCH HIS VIDEOS. BRO KNOW EVERYTHING. BRO CAN CHANGE YOUR MIND ABOUT ANYTHING WITH SO MUCH DATA YOU WILL LOOK STUPID ARGUING OTHERWISE. BRO IS HIM. WHEN EVER I HAVE AN ARGUMENT I JUST POINT THEM TO HIS CHANNEL. THEY ALL COME BACK BORN AGAIN WITH THE TRUTH.
@@michael_carmichaelyou didn't explain anything at all
@@michael_carmichaelyea never speak again
Been waiting for this. Thank you 🙏🏼
The 80s and 90s are vastly different. Expansion by 6 teams in the 90s watered the league down immensely. Thanks to worldwide popularity the league pulls from a much larger talent farm. I watched in the 90s. The league is better now than ever before.
The MJ left hand point was always stupid. Teams wanted him to go left because he could do more damage with his right, not because he couldn't go left. Imagine getting punched by Ali and asking to be punched with his left instead of his right. You're still gonna get knocked out.
That’s a terrible example.
@@josh_7569 how so?
Boxing analogy on this. Majority Boxers have a dominate hand. Very few had power in both hands, especially KO artists. Mike Tyson would fit better in the example than Ali.
Conventional wisdom in boxing says to avoid the opponents best hand. Like a left hook from Frazier, Tua, Tommy Morrison. They were known for KO'ing guys with it but it didn't mean they couldn't hurt you with the right.
@@josh_7569come up with a better one dummy
@@josh_7569 You are falling prey to the "I'm much closer to Lebron than you are to me" falacy. Yes, boxers have dominant hands, and in a boxing league, if they went to their off hand they would be heavvvily disadvantaged.... But as OP was talking about, you take one of the greats known for power hitting with their right, they would easily KO an average punter, or even lesser skilled boxers with their left
The data crunch on MJ's left hand is mindblowing
mindblowing and brutal reality check shhesh MJ
It’s 100% deceiving because all those left hand FG% was either layups, mid range, 3pointers or dunks, so showing the FG% being 61% like that was Jordan’s left hand fg% is so disingenuous
For example say Jordan dribbles left, pulls up mid range, that counts as left hand fg%. Same thing with a dunk to the left or a 3pointer going left, this does NOT show Jordan’s FG% in the post with his left hand
@@xoHaj But that isn't the accusation. The accusation is that he had no left hand, not that he couldn't score with his left hand in the post, that is a far more specific accusation. Also, a lot of his post moves are going to be fade away jumpers which are of course shot with his right hand regardless of which shoulder he turns over... so like.. what is even the point of the accusation? lol
@@xoHajbro, when people say Jordan didn't have a left they are saying he didn't even dribble with his left because he would lose the ball, so yeah, the data proves it completely different. Now tell me, if you're playing and you attack the rim with your left and then shoot with your right because it's your dominant hand (which makes the most sense, why would you shoot with your left) does that mean you don't have a left?
man I've been watching your videos for years, this is the BEST one. Love it. From a 90s lover
solid breakdown on why Jordan is still the goat. he would grind so hard that there would be no one player that could stop him
Completely agree with everything you said. It’s only a matter of time before the current era is disrespected like the 90s is rn, we have to acknowledge the ones who slowly paved the way
The difference is no other era’s image has been protected as much as the 90s because of Jordan brand and the billionaire industries that profited off of it. People aren’t nitpicking and showing bad footage, it’s more so finally the other side of it is being talked about. I’m one of those people who sat down and watched old film of 90s games, the players really really were not anywhere close to the skill level of today. No one protected magic 80s, or wilt that much, or kobe; but the media constantly TRASHED anything that blasphemed Jordan. I promise you it was an agenda, I promise you NBA and ESPN SCRAPPED anything that insulted Jordan. So no, it’s not a cycle. It’s just the 90s being finally f ing exposed and the bs myths they spread about Jordan to people who are die hard fans who never really watched him play, even back then.
@@duc2133the only thing they have to say is we aren’t aggressive enough and we’re podcasters
@rando: Paved the way for what? Trash basketball?
Thing is the league wouldve never been what it is today in terms of salaries and hype without MJ and those guys....NBA wasnt that big back then until Jordan succeeded.....it was also more fun to watch then todays 3pts contest every games
@@gwensalador4325 The only thing more boring in basketball than a 3 point shot is the necessary evil of a free throw. (Necessary because you don't want the refs to just be awarding points on the scoreboard.)
If jxmys dropping a 25 min video, you know shit is bad
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WE DONE WITH THE 90’s !!!
@@vizualwarrior129Kid, you weren't even born in the 90's. Go back to sleep.
@@vizualwarrior129your pea sized brain couldn’t let you sit through this video huh? Because if you did no way you still saying this
@@vizualwarrior129 I watched some tapes, and Curry is a horrible 3pt shooter, Lebron can’t finish at the rim, and Shaq is a great free throw shooter 😂😂
When Jxmy posts, you know its gonna be a banger. Great video, ideas worded perfectly, 100% agree with him. This video should be shown to anyone who still believes "We done with the 90s"
🔥 content as always keep up the good work bro💪🏾💯
As a “Modern fan” growing up watching Kobe, Lebron, Kawhi, Westbrook, Harden, and Curry, I have newfound respect for the 80s and 90s players. These were the players that built the foundation of what the game is today. And I have enough foresight to see that one day, I will become old too and see young-ins disrespecting my era of basketball. So yes, I believe it’s imperative for us fans to stop the cycle of disrespect and truly appreciate what the past has given us because one day too, our time will come.
💯
Nah bump that, these bozos started it. They the ones who turn every conversation into "he's not Jordan tho". Fuck em
W man I been tryna say something like this not exactly this but similar and I totally agree (I do think Lebron is the goat but I definitely don’t discredit Jordan) and I’m not a old head I started watching in 2012🤣 but I still have respect for the older gen of players even if they aren’t as skilled as today
I do agree, bc I'm never going to say that Grant Hill or Penny were trash. But I would just say (and maybe you'll agree too) there seems to be a CERTAIN segment of fans from that 90's era (that appreciate baldness maybe more than they should) who would NEVER fathom pulling back. Pretty sure they stop their insane bullshit, glory days ahead. At least I hope. Lol
@@papito5ft6 If fans from the '90s appreciate their era too much because every generation gets better then neither LeBron nor MJ the Goat. Should the title go to the current best player in the league?🤷♂️
Honestly, As a geriatric millennial, i think mid 80’s through 2010’s get so much love because basketball games felt like more of a chess match. Much like chess pieces, each player had their strengths and weaknesses largely due to the rules you mentioned in this video. Each team, had a “queen” or a superstar and an all-star caliber sidekick or two. The term “three headed monster” was coined then. It was an experience to see someone as small as Iverson or as skilled and athletic as Jordan carry a team through the playoffs or even just overcome another team with players that were more skilled or even just larger. Now… everyone is just larger and more skilled and to your point, defenses can only improve so much. What happens when every player has a 100 rating for dribbling, 99 shooting, and 100 athleticism? What happens when every piece is a “queen?” Chess starts to look and feel a lot more like checkers 😅
Agreed!
Chess to checkers is such a good metaphor for it
best way to put it honestly
yes. defense looks so bad because offense now overwhelmed them.
You have to combine that 100-99-100 rating with rules that loosen the calls for violation and rules that essentially discourage defense. No arm bar, no hand checking, and when a player goes up for a jump shot, you basically have to just... let them. When us oldheads talk about the league being 'soft' today, it's not because we don't think the players are incredibly skilled. It's because modern defenses either have to just hope the shooters miss, or it's a foul. I'm less impressed with a player that makes a barely contested shot than I am with a player going up against hard physical challenges, and scoring anyway. That's just me, I know I'm becoming increasingly in the minority.
THANK YOU JXMY HIGHROLLER‼️‼️🗣️🗣️
I love to see a video do this well I hope this type of engagement keeps up cause you make great cintent
Ive been watching for like 6 years. I think this was your best work. Well done.
He was literally being bias the whole video
Brain dead are your ???
Nope, one of the worst : D
@@irvingotgame5258explain?
@@JayJay-kc4dnalright unc sorry he toasted your favorite player
been waiting for this one
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We done with the LeFlopping
@@gohabs8918 no we just you.
There is no way anyone who watched the nba in the 90's and today, can say the nba was better, in the 90's. Today you have 7 footers shooting 40% from threes. That was UNIMAGINABLE, in the 90's
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The 80s and 90s get so much love because that was when the league exploded in popularity, after decades of just farting around from the 1940s through most of the 70s, though I think the NBA started to energize in the late 70s with Dr. J, Magic and Bird and really took off when Jordan arrived in 1984. Ultimately, as Bob Cousy once said, it's always a kids game. It's all about bouncing a ball and throwing it into a round hole. So it does make sense that the current narrative of the state of the league will and should be controlled by kids no older than 21. As people get older and life hits, you rarely have the time to obsess about sports at age 25, 30, 40 or 50 that you did when you were 12, 14, or 17. But everyone's time comes....when you become an old head. Kids are already taking a shit on the NBA of 2009 and 2012.....so yeah. Baby Boomers that watched Wilt Chamberlain in 1965 have been old heads for more than a minute. Gen Xer that grew up in the 80s and 90s are thought of as old heads, Millennials are old heads, even the oldest Gen Z grew up watching the NBA from 15 or 20 years ago.
You've outdone yourself Jimmy. Thanks for this beauty of a video man!!
I hope the question changes at some point to "We done with being stuck in our individual way of thinking and start reeeally understanding PERSPECTIVES in all levels"
This comment right here ✔️
nah its not as catchy but thats what it basically means
As much as I’d love this sadly people suck and will never give it a shot
You are asking for absolute enlightenment from people who watch basketball for entertainment. I appreciate the thought but these people are lebron fans making the chance of your wish coming true near 0. But hey we can hope!
@@vinsanity3510 calling all of them lebrons fans means you are nowhere near the level this dude is talking about. We done with the 90s has nothing to do with lebron. It’s people like you who suck every 80s and 90s players off
The gap in talent, skill, and accomplishments Jordan had over his cohorts is so large, some just dismiss the entire era instead giving the ultimate outlier props.
It’s not as big a gap as you think Einstein. The gap between all that from the 90’s to now is much larger.
Exactly!! That’s why he’s considered in such high regard
@@Poppa417 who back then had anywhere near MJ's combo of natural gifts, offensive skills, defensive effort, superstar flair, clutch, stats, and winning? 100 OVR Rating player IRL.
@@Poppa417 In 1675, Isaac Newton said he was standing on the shoulders of giants, not calling Archimedes and Pythagoras PLUMBERS! Einstein would never either.
Jordan went 5/30 in a 3 point contest, so much for a gap 😂
As someone born in the 90's i can't wait until someone cherry-picks highlights of Westbrook with the Lakers makin an argument that his MVPS don't count😂
Westbrook is averaging 50 points in the 90s
@@RealMoneyMarc My nigga....what does that have 2do with anything😂😂😂
@@backyardbaseball2006 means you can cherry pick highlights of him but he will literally average 40 … the scrubs in the 90s wouldnt even make a team today they aint got no left GAHBAGE 😂
@@RealMoneyMarc ....And? Bruh the point is just how they are doing this to 90s players 30,40,50 yrs from now players from the early-mid 200's gettin the same treatment
@@RealMoneyMarcWestbrook is getting clobbered in the paint. He'll have to develop a jumpshot which he doesn't have.
Jimmy always comin in clutch whenever major disagreements in NBA topics happen LMAO
Im 44, and I understand how all of you younger cats feel. Because I used to feel the same way when i was a kid about the players from the 60s and 70s. I remember arguing with my dad when he used to say how good Wilt Chamberlain, Julius Irving, Pistol Pete, Jerry West, and all of the other old timers were. I used to think that it was impossible because players only get better, faster, and stronger. Which they do. But since I'm older and have a better understanding of it now. It doesn't matter what Era they played in. Superior athletes would adapt no matter what the time they were playing in.
That’s you but as a generation we never disrespected the legends like these clown kids of today you one of the old heads Dreamerpro was talking about still trying to be down with the yutes 😂
this is true
There are certain players today who would be a lot better in the 80s and vice versa. For example Tony Allen, Al Jefferson, and Jahlil Okafor might have been hall of fame players in the '80s while guys like Byron Scott and Bill Laimbeer would be way more suited to today's game. Overall every era gets better but superstars would still be superstars
@aaronwin33 Yeah, I agree with that👍...
Andre Drummond Punching The Air Missing The 90s 😅
When he pulled up wemby it lowkey gave me chills cs I’m pretty sure within 10-20 years we’re gonna have skilled players taller than him in the nba it’s alr happening all these tall skilled players
He's trash, big man playing small . Stupid, to be honest . So, I hope not
15:51 wemby like a villain with this cameo
Facts man. I literally played against a high school or early college kid last weekend who was like 6' 10" and he had a solid, consistent 3 point jumper. I'm 6' 3' and I couldn't even guard it (even if I was playing casually, if I tried my best I doubt I'd contest it good enough). The emphasis on tall dudes becoming big men / centers is less and more focused on skill expression on the outside just as much as the inside.
Same
Nope, Ralph Sampson was already doing wemby stuff in the 80s.... in fact he was much more athletic than wemby, look at him doing 360 dunks.
These type of players are just super rare
I am literally tearing up with how awesome this video is. I am part of the problem too. It feels awesome to defend your favorite player and gives you an identity in a way. To bond with people who agree or to talk smack with someone who doesn't. But maybe I should just enjoy the game for what it has become. To appreciate the people who perfected the current game and the legends that inspired them. Thanks again for another banger of a video.
As always, Jimmy, a frickin’ exceptional breakdown. Respect!
Just when we needed him most, Jimmy delivered
“It’s that time” but for nba discourse
Imagine if MLB fans said "We done with the 90s! Sammy Sosa and Mark McGwire were hitting against plumber pitchers! Randy Johnson didn't have a right hand! MLB "defenders" were just camping where they though the ball would be hit!" They would be laughed out of the building and for good reason. Modern NBA fans need to actually chill tf out and show reverence to the guys who made the game popular. It's BECAUSE of them old players that today's talent level is so good. These kids were motivated from a young age to become like Mike.
P.S. I'm so done with the stupid Jordan vs LeBron debate. It's not fair to compare people from different eras at different positions. It's like comparing Yogi Berra to Bryce Harper.
Edit: Comparing MLB and NBA is not a false equivalency. They both had a 90s boom. The overall skill level has gone up in both sports. Cope. Also, people saying "Randy doesn't have a right hand is a crap argument", no kidding. Jordan not having a left hand is a crap argument. That's why I said it. To poke fun at people hating on the 90s.
Baseball not comparable to the nba in this discussion
the real reason it exists is due to the fact 90s fans absolutely trashing today's nba for decades on end but now when the story flips its an issue. thats just hypocritical asf cuz they were doing the same thing for so long yall aint say nothin but now its a problem?
Only reason this whole "We done with the 90s" is a thing because some of these oldheads are claiming that their era had better defense or their players are more skilled which makes 0 sense lmao. And some of the things these old nba players say is probably the most delusional things ever. Only a few of them give the new generation credit
Players like Charles Oakley is saying Giannis would come off the bench in the 90s 😂😂😂 Most delusional oldhead takes from these players. Oakley was an average player only starting because of rebounding. A worse version of Andre Drummond
then stop talking shit. It’s that easy. Constantly making shir up to discredit anything modern just bc ur insecure or a loser and then turning around yo cry about being insulted the same way? Just shows how pathetic oldheads really are.
There goes Jimmy again, making us ask the tough questions and rethink our opinions/answers, job well done
This is genuinely one of the best RUclips videos I have ever seen. Well done
The shot of Prime Magic panning over to a rookie MJ. No other clip could encapsulate this video better. It’s not generation vs generation, it’s a matter of appreciating how the top players of the era evolve their game which inspires the next. Great video as always Jimmy
That was from the 1991 finals from the nbc game preview with a prime MJ and an older magic. I remember watching that series and it was fucking amazing.
That is what it should be, but older fan and almost all journalists refused to let go of the notion. It’s hard for them to allow player to pass the torch because in life in general, acknowledging that your child, your little brother, your little cousin outgrown you and become better is the most bitter pill to swallow for some.
It should be like that but when ppl keep saying shit like lebron and giannis would be benched in the 90’s it really makes the convo impossible
@Crazyhead432 Yeah, little me opposite how the spectrum you got. People like you literally claim in that these guys are God's who would walk over older players it's disrespectful And you always remove the context of the healthcare, the knowledge and all the things that we know now.
Ngl, this clip sent chills down my spine, what a powerful image…
cant wait till 2050 where everyone is gunna be 7'3 sharpshooter
Then Muggsy Bogues gonna come out of retirement at the age of 85 just running through peoples legs because there is literally nobody short enough to guard him. Lol. This is a funny timeline and I want to see it.
Maybe they will move the 3-point line to 40 ft by then, or just get rid of it.
@@adamm2787 dr strange will make a return to the Dallas mavericks
The average point guard height will be like 6’8, well being seeing magic Johnson’s that can shoot
No one can tell me this isn't the pinnacle of the take of the eras. Well done Jimmy, spat some absolute gospel with this one!
The 2000’s will always be the best era of Basketball
ngl Pete Maravich would have thrived in this new era of basketball. His flashy passing that can't be recreated to his level, his shooting ability(bro was shooting 30 foot bombs without a three point line), and just overall his fast and quick offensive playstyle.
He wouldn't get by anyone today
@@peldoriaLebron is not competing with Patrick Barthelomew the 5th in 2100
@@drewski11333😂
Also Drazen Petrovic, he was ahead of his time.
Take a look at his playstyle: ruclips.net/video/tTFj2Ohm-K4/видео.html
That's how Doncic plays now, also he had 44%+ 3 point shooting.. Insanse stats
R.I.P
@8:30 I just saw 2 different Eurosteps 🤯. Bruhhhhhhhh. Im well versed in old ball, but to see that move being displayed 40 years go, but as violations is wild AF. That move has been sold to all of us as a "NEW" post 2000's move 🤯🤯🤯
Julius Erving and even Wilt for that matter had done the fadeaway before but it will forever be known as Jordan’s move and I don’t hate it
Oscar Robertson even did it when he played. Its video too. Things are never always what they seem
and if you look at it in the modern league he'd even technically get another step
@@mastergamingnic1681no one thinks MJ created the fadeaway lol we just know he was the best at it
Gotta watch full games Brodie. If you love this game, we gotta respect it and know and learn the history
This was such a well structured deep dive into the era's of basketball. You had some solid takes and do agree fans have their biases and the future looks to continue that. I have mine that arent as universally accepted. I was one of those kids that grew up with 80's and 90's basketball. Phenomenal basketball in those era's and being able to watch Bird and Jordan in their primes and a young kobe with limitless potential, any person would agree it was the best basketball ever got. However in my opinion the 2000's to me was the greatest decade of basketball. Like you mentioned, that era is on a level of todays basketball but more physical like the 80's/90's, with the athleticism of todays game, it was the perfect combo of basketball
Got goosebumps when wembanyama came up… that dude is going to be insane… easily Bron& Jordan level potential.
That last shot in the video sealed this EPISODE better than words.
Jxmy’s videos really are something else.
CINEMA
Jxmy is dead right, it's natural for players and sports in general to develop and evolve. Everything moves forward and basketball is no exception. And that's why Jxmy saying "We'll never see anything like this again" about LeBron is wrong. The same thoughts were made about Wilt, then MJ, now Lebron. Will the world ever learn from the past? The truth is, every fan thinks their era was the best, not just an era, but the one they watched and loved the most. These are people with self-centeredness, not common sense or objectivity.
@@user-zd9vy4nw1e Interesting POV
That Gortat wizards shoutout was so fire. The polish hammer was fire to watch
Wall made his job mad easy lol
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@@bigbangbasketballisn’t that the whole point of having a point guard my nigga?🤨
@@godson8817🤨🤨🤨
I'm a currently depressed Wizards fan and I really miss those Wall, Gortat days 😭
I have been trying to have a nuanced conversation about this topic for years. I’m glad someone with a platform dared to do so. Three major things that you didn’t mention that I’ve always wanted to speak on:
1. Unlike 30-40 years ago, the best athletes overwhelmingly play basketball in the modern day. The apex of Black representation in Major League Baseball was in the 80s and a lot of guys who otherwise might’ve considered the NBA didn’t simply because the NFL and MLB were more lucrative than the still rising NBA. So you didn’t have peak athleticism and more of an emphasis on the substance of the game.
2. Magic and Bird and later MJ were the rising tide that lifted the boat. The NBA increasingly in popularity started a chain reaction that led to the game burgeoning overseas, which led to greater skill from players/areas where the game wasn’t emphasized. To contextualize this, 1984-1993 is considered the golden age for the NBA. That’s the 38th-47th years of the sport. The equivalent in the NFL would be 1958-1967 and 1914-1923 for MLB. No one would consider those the apex years of the sport, but ironically, a lot of the myth of those sports was formed during that era…Vince Lombardi, the Giants/Colts NFL championship game, the first Super Bowl and the AFL/NFL merger in football and Babe Ruth’s ascension in baseball. The difference is, we don’t have the ready footage of every Jim Brown carry, Johnny Unitas pass, or Babe Ruth at bat like we do with the 80s and 90s NBA.
3. This entire debate/discussion is a function of LeBron James being unable to win six championships. Like let’s call out the elephant in the room. Greatness was always about championships until he consistently started coming up short. Even MJ got called “George Gervin with a nice smile” as late as 1990 for his inability to win a title. And because LeBron fans couldn’t stack achievements up against MJ’s mythology, suddenly the validity of an entire professional sports league got put on trial. Which is absolutely ridiculous. Players may not have been as athletic, but greatness from the beginning of time has always been how you measured up vs your own era. Always. Until 2019 or so. And while I respect the devotion of Bron Stan’s, the arguments often come off desperate and short sighted. If the league was so much worse, theoretically, there would have been SOMEONE ELSE in the stratosphere of MJ as there has been at all other times in history of basketball. Someone would’ve been able to exploit the league in a similar fashion. And yet, no one did. Hell, even after he retired, no one could emulate what he did. Kobe got elevated for being a “squint and it kinda looks close” version of MJ. That’s how desperate the league was for a new torch bearer. But my point is this…if LeBron Raymone James was so much better than MJ as it has been claimed, his individual greatness should have been enough to overcome deficiencies the same way MJ did vs Cleveland in 88 and 89, vs New York and Phoenix in 93, vs Utah in 98. Because if you’re going to concede that the players are better, then the superior player should have an effort equal to or superior to his predecessor in the same moments. And other than 2016, LeBron hasn’t been able to say that. So the idea that the entire history of basketball sucked before he was drafted is an insult. To the game, the players…the people who watched. And it should mean that no one prior to 2003 should be in anyone’s top 10…which is of course, also an insult. But here we are…
Great points but #1 isn't really accurate. The NBA demands a certain height, especially back in the 80s and 90s when it was a league that revolved around Big Men. The shortest position in the NBA - point guard - would equate to the tallest players in the MLB and NFL. If you're 6'3 in baseball, you're huge. So is it possible there was a Steph Curry or Allen Iverson in there someone over the last 40 years? Yeah. But a bigger guy who could play at a high level? Doubtful. Anyone at that height with skill would've been going down the road to the NBA anyway. That argument holds more weight when it comes to why we can't compete with the world in soccer. There's very little reliance on height when it comes to soccer but none of our best athletes go there.
The NFL still employs the best athletes in sports.....and the MLB and NFL are still way more lucrative than the NBA...the major difference here is that the NBA is the most individual-centric and glamorous of the sports leagues. Football cannot be played and won unless as a team and a helmet obscures the face of players from true stardom. Baseball is probably the ultimate team sport and the MLB has failed to capitalize on glamorizing its stars so now it is considered the least sexy of the 3 (despite being the 2nd most profitable league on the planet). However the NBA has experienced a player power revolution which has given them unprecedented control of their destinies and the direction of the league compared to every other league on the planet, it is mentioned most and is associated most with the music scene which comes with its own prestige and glamor and star players are allowed to shine like no other in a team sport and affect the outcome like no other sport. It is the ultimate allure for those chasing fame. Athleticism shows itself in other ways...being able to throw a ball 106 MPH is quite the athletic feat that no NBA player can probably do. Heck hitting a baseball is the hardest thing to do in sports, that's a special type of hand-eye coordination athleticism as is playing 162 days a year. Football, there is not a single NBA player keeping up with Tyreke Hill. Nor does the NBA have 6'7 270 lb pass rushers that run 4.4 40s. nor 330 lb tackles chasing down guys 100 lbs lighter. Calvin Johnson could probably do the athletic dunks and shot blocks lebron has done but try and get Lebron to high point a football in the endzone with a strong safety ready to tee-off and it isn't happening. Football players and baseball players are athletic in other ways than aerobic exercises and leaping, doesn't mean they are lesser athletes. Pound for pound NFL has the best.
As point 2, for baseball.....well for one thing the 1920s Yankees AND the Babe are considered the pinnacle of that league...but 2nd....that wasn't the 38th-47th year of the sport....Baseball had been around since at least the Civil War era which was the 1860s...so that would mean about 1900 when the first modern world series began was that time period....same thing for football which existed in the 1880s (evidenced by the oldest team in the NFL--the Arizona Cardinals formerly of Chicago--being founded in that decade and old college teams dating back to that time period as well). If we are going by the years of the league...well the MLB is still wrong since the MLB started with the National League in the 1870s (Cubs and Braves) or true MLB in 1901 when the AL joined the NL which would make 1939-48 the pinnacle (which again is not far off with Ted Williams being the last .400 hitter, Joe Dimaggio, Stan Musial, Jackie Robinson re-breaking the color barrier, etc). But at least you got the NFL right if going by the founding of the league (which funny enough had the first Super Bowl around that time).
Hard to find fault in the last point though.
this take was trash thanks for wasting 5 min of my life, btw crazy how you made a whole paragraph on lebron, lebron haters like you are just as obsessed as his stans, bill russell had 11 so with your own argument people sweep that under the rug because jordan never met bills accomplishments
@@UpTheDown7 it absolutely is accurate. The peak athletes hoop now. Guys like Kyle Pitts or Mookie Betts or Ja’Marr Chase who are great athletes in their sport, would look like they have no business playing on a basketball court. But you could absolutely see a Ja Morant or Giannis or Anthony Edwards playing another sport. That’s what’s so crazy…someone like Steph Curry, who is never seen as athletic because of who he plays against on a nightly basis, would be in the 90th percentile for football and the 96th for baseball.
@@scottb3034 on what planet are NFL contracts across the board better than the NBA? Lmao cmon man…yall just say stuff to say it. Saquon Barkley is top 5 in his position and people say he got overpaid with a $12.5 million AAV. Austin Reaves and Rui Hachimura both make more than that as the 4th and 5th best players for the Lakers. And the $$$ are guaranteed in basketball.
There is only one thing all generations agree with…..
Brian Scalabrine is a 🐐
It's crazy how many people tried bringing up "Jordan has no left" when the Pistons were exploiting his left hand as part of the Jordan Rules for years. He clearly had a preference at the time in going right or left. And he also clearly turned the ball over more when going left. But acting as if he just simply couldn't go left at all is absolutely crazy
Watch dudes from this era. Almost no one dribbles with their offhand. The fact Jordan did is one of the things that made him better than everyone, combined with fearless driving and an amazing finishing touch.
Got too many drones that want to regurgitate what people say on tiktok. They call them "smooth-brained" for a reason...all thoughts and ideas slide right off their brains
Isiah Thomas even said that Jordan couldn't take more than a couple dribbles with his left without pulling up to shoot or passing but people took that as him saying Jordan was basically Jaylen Brown with shoe game
@@infinitymixtapes9562and then they also said he worked on it and it was no longer an issue lol but the clip only shows the part where they said they forced him left when he came into the league.
I don't think the main guys argument was that he couldn't go left at all. The argument was that he wasn't good going that way
The way you explained this 40yrs gape in skill set between the 40s->80s->2020s is the best way to end this debate 💯💯 thank you Sir!
Should never be a debate to begin with lol. This era is straight up garbage. Shooting 50 3’a a game is NOT basketball, especially with no defense
This might be the greatest basketball video on RUclips in terms of how you break down and provide so much helpful context into this debate Jimmy
10/10 vid. Jxmy perfectly explained what i feel watching Steph shoot compared to watching other players shoot. The pioneers of the game will always be better in the eyes of the fans that watch that era of basketball
Isiah said something years ago. He said that players then could actually ball handle just as good as modern players but the rules didn't allow them to do so in game.
Old head gospel
😂😂😂 a strong amen nonetheless
That’s lowkey true for players like isiah , even ai didn’t have as much freedom as curry, trae , kyrie etc
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Imagine if Ai can carry like these dudes now 😂
@@samtvmedia5066 AI literally said in an interview he couldn't do anything with his left but cross.
If I hear some kid in 30 years saying that Curry was trash i’d absolutely lose it lol
You will. They will be talking about how nobody was allowed to play defense.
Who you taking prime curry or current sga? It's. Legitimate question, don't be like jordan fans and say it's "curry easily."
@@Sectrix2pp Ain’t no way u just asked that
@@Sectrix2pp they are playing at the same time right now, sga was in the league when curry won a fmvp, the argument is for players from three decades ago, not players that have overlapping careers
So now you know how Jordan fans and that whole era feels.
This is the most accurate video youve ever made, i have zero debate with any point youve made, perfect, love all your stuff btw but this is a thoroughly perfect video logically
i love the shoutout to marcin gortat being a p&r god with john wall
Larry bird played left handed thru 3 quarters against the portland trail blazers because he wanted to save his right against the lakers and in the 4th quarter he switched back to playing with his hand and finished the game with 47 points, 14 rebounds and 11 assists for the whole game while only playing right handed only in the 4th quarter.
Oh so he played the blazers and lakers at the same time in the same game?? Lol! So you took this from Yahoo article from June 9th, 2022 and still managed to skew the story. Lol
@@mondrian5620 Larry bird felt like playing against Portland with his left hand and use his right hand when playing against the lakers in a different game and I never said it was the same game. The former nba players on youtube such as byron scott that played against larry bird mentioned stories about larry bird when they played against larry bird when he was trash talking while winning games and championships and the experience of his competitive nature.
@@OledBurnInKing Dude I know the story. It’s just the way you worded it made it sound like it was the same game, which would absolutely confuse others that don’t know the story. Lol. I mean, the point of this video is people will never research deep themselves. They take the first things they see and run with it.
@@mondrian5620nah he worded it fine tbh, with reading comprehension and inference anybody would be able to know what he meant, you’re just being a stickler about it
so... 90s players couldnt defend against the left is all
This is breath of fresh air! Finally someone talking some sense on this topic. It reminds me of MJ's answer to the question who's the greatest of all time after the 93' Finals. He said we shouldn't compare bc players come from different eras. I think that's great advice.
It's also interesting that this video points out that players in the late 90s-2000s were not trash..... But they owe their development and skills to what MJ did on the court. So in reality it kinda doesn't make sense to be "done with the 90s" as players over the last 20 years owe their development in some shape or form to players from that 90s era.
This is facts bro! Mj says the same thing everytime it gets asked like who’s the best player of all time or the greatest. It’s a dumb question with no end because ultimately you can’t compare players from different eras. And it’s true about the late 90s and 2000s guys like AI Kobe tmac and all those guys all modeled their game like mikes or other 90s superstars. We alll gonna be saying the same thing in 20 years when guys come in and are playing similarly to Steph, Lebron and KD. Everyone owes their development to the previous generation.
Your research is crazy and I love it!
It’s actually crazy to be 19 and feel old for the first time. Kids already call lebron old and trash. Imagine in 20 years? We need to respect the 90s so the their game isn’t forgotten.
Bro what are you talking about💀 your still a kid bruh lol and who is going to forget about lebron💀 let alone calls lebron trash and actually means it i'm sorry if I'm coming across as mean it's just your comment is really dumb lol
dont worry that feeling will keep on happening... cheers
@@wadub251920 years ago someone just like you said that about jordan…it’s inevitable lmao
@@wadub2519to a 10 year old 19 is old just like to a 19 year old 30+ are being called unc and old head today. It isn’t a hot take.
@@wadub2519what are you talking about? You’re a kid if you didn’t see Gervin going off back in the day.
somehow jordan survives the analytics and proves he is still the Goat by the end of the video lol
Isolation going left doesn’t prove someone’s the goat lol
@@RyTheBasketballGuyobviously but it proves even compared to modern players he's still significantly better with his left. The whole Jordan doesn't have a left was being used as a reason he couldn't be in the conversation anymore
@@RyTheBasketballGuychange your name... Real basketball guy but you didnt use a single brain cell to analyze everything 🤣🤣🤣
@@RyTheBasketballGuyIf MJ played today he would instantly be the best player in the league. He would be the greatest player in any era. 50s, 60s, 70s, 80s, 90s, 00s, 10s, 20s
@@RyTheBasketballGuyimagine how high he would've been if jxmmy used both hands and not just left😂
This is probably the best take on the whole controversy I've seen. I absolutely hate trying to compare eras, especially when they're separated by 15-20 years. The game evolves. The players evolve with it. Most guys today would really struggle with the traveling rules 30 years ago. Most guys from 30 years ago would foul out in the 1st half now.
GOAT conversations aside (it's MJ, STFU), we should always remember that when the rules change, the criteria for greatness change, too.
This video answered literally all my prayers. Thank JXMY.
"I'm smarter than Isaac Newton because I learned calculus when I was 16"
How people sound when criticizing and dismissing the players of the past.
This example is literally terrible
"Newton was just as smart as people today"... he wasn't. That doesn't mean that Newton wasn't more intelligent, he just didn't have the hindsight and tools that people have today. Had he grown up in our time, he would have likely still been very influential, he just objectively didn't know as much as we know today. Same goes for people like Wilt, Kareem, Magic, Jordan, etc. People have been able to build upon the past and spend even more time expanding upon what players in the past did. This objectively makes their skills a lot higher than players in the 90s. That's not saying that players in the 90s couldn't compete if they grew up in todays era. Skill is not a measure of potential, its a measure of where you line up within the best of your time period.
@@mjgould1192It's a perfect example because you are literally standing on the shoulders of giant who had to invent the moves you all take for granted for the first time.
@@whenisdinner2137 Thats the damn point, sure were standing on their shoulders, but that just makes us taller and able to reach further than they ever could, the example works against the point he's making.
@@jieuny9724 No, because if they weren't there then you wouldn't be standing on anything, so it doesn't warrant dismissal. You dismiss the foundation, you get literally nowhere.
So, this part at 8:00 is one of the things that I'm surprised hasn't been mentioned more. Like, players are more skilled now, but they're also allowed to do things they never would've gotten away with in the 80s and 90s. Watch a game and it'll surprise you how many times they get called for a carry or a double dribble. Especially compared to now, where you have to do something egregious for them to even think about calling it. Especially in regards to judging these players based on their bag.
Exactly. The skill argument is misleading because players today do not have to deal with the same barriers that players back then had to deal with. And despite the "more skilled" claim, players today rely so heavily on screen usage to score. I thought they were skilled?
@@leechrecheavily is a bit much, but I’d guess it’s partially bc of refs missing illegal screens which is definitely more of a modern issue, and partially because there’s no reason not to if the screener wouldn’t be able to score anyways, that stands for any era imo
@@leechrechere’s the problem though, defense was also heavily put into the forefront in the 80s and 90s. Isolation worked tremendously with the no help defense rules, and because of that, the best iso players dominated like Jordan. So while you can say the game has changed to help offensive players, you also have to take into account that they are playing against better defensive strategies than were even LEGAL back then.
@@leechrec I don't think it's misleading at all. I think it's a pretty obvious phenomenon. Humans have learned from the past, so they develop more skills in the future. Just like we have better medical treatments and specially engineered gear, the players also have more knowledge of the game than ever before, especially in the age of stats and analytics. So no, it's not misleading to say today's players are more skilled, because they kinda have to be by all manner of logic of improvement. They are smarter than ever when it comes to knowing what shots are more valuable and different plays they've seen, they have optimized their skills by learning from the past and improving on them, etc
@@pappysriracha5965 This is such a common misconception about MJ. He was not a heavy ISO player. He played a vast majority of the time moving off ball and going around screens or trying to post up in the midrange. LeBron, KD, Harden, Embiid and Doncic are all examples of modern players who play a lot more ISO than MJ ever did.
Pretty sure Jordan’s personality would have ensured he dominated in any era. He’s just that guy.
I have zero notes, this was perfect. As a kid I watched Doctor J and Kareem (so ... yeah), but I have never once engaged in that old head talk because I have eyes. Every era has been thrilling. I have been as floored by Curry and Lebron as I was by MJ or Iverson back in the day. Bullshit narratives don't necessarily need to be debunked--they will always crumble by themselves in the long run--but DAMN is it satisfying to see them dunked on like this. Kudos JH.
Every basketball fan should be like you!
W fan
I have a question, whos the best player youve ever seen play?
Do you think Kareem belongs to the Goat convo
@@YEGGS_1that's an impossible determination for me but I am curious on who his favorite to watch has been.
This might be the best video you have put out to date. Such a good deep dive on how the Game has TRULY evolved and how as we get older the young fans behind us will react our our glory days of basketball. Growing up in the 90s I was a fan of the MJ and Hakeem. Im a die hard Rockets fan but I loved watching Jordan play. Watching the game today makes me question how the older guys would hnadle the rules of todays game. Thats always going to be a topic for generations to come. What happens if the step back is banned? the third step is a traveling again? Rules that are removed come back and change the way the game is played... thats why I never get into discussions of eras. Players played by the rules laid for them. All I want to do is appreciate the game and enjoy the sport I love.
I'm not sure if it's the best video he has, but it is one that explores multiple perspectives no one ever considers. Maybe, like you said, the most in-depth video he has ever done. Definitely one of his top 3 videos.
He forgot to mention most important thing.
NBA in 80-90' had only 3.5% of Europeans/Foreign players, now NBA has 25%+ of foreign players.
And Europe always had very good players, but for some reason NBA was skeptical and limited themselves to "USA" only talent pool in 80' & 90'.
If you remove 120 active European players right now in NBA, and replace them with 120 USA players, game quality will drop A LOT. And you will again have those clowny games & lower stats like you had in 80' & 90'.
And also, European players played very different in 90', like they play now, Doncic, Jokic and so on, you had all those flashy players also in 90' (For example Drazen Petrovic).
But yea, NBA didn't want them in the league, or they would be brought when they're a bit older, so basketball quality was worse.
The end of the video fading from Magic to Kobe... Cheff kiss👌🏿👩🏿🍳
We went from competitive basketball to pushing "entertainment through scoring". To me that's not evolution but devolution. I've been fortunate enough to watch basketball from the 70s till now. To me, there hasn't been a better era of basketball than the 90s. The guys today are extremely skilled with mountains of talent but nothing compares to that time for me.
Jimmy is the epitome of quality over quantity. He has the best and most in depth content!! Preciate all your hard work
5:19 Fun fact: Michael Jordan and Marcin Gortat have a birthday on the same day
Gortat 🐐 confirmed
February I believe
Damn I forgot about that dude
I've been watching the NBA since the 70s, and still watch today. I have the context of thousands of games over fifty years, and I have to say, your video is damn reasonable. The best point you make is about how the rules of the various eras shaped the game. I do wish defense was valued more in today's game, and the violations were called more often. Then I see Ant do something incredible, see Jokic surpass what Larry Bird could do, and marvel at Wemby, and yeah, I'm okay with still being a fan. :)
One thing that can’t be overlooked in the evolution of talent in the sport is the and1 scene in the early 2000s.
People just think of as fancy traveling but there was more to it than that.
Had everyone outside hoopin trying new moves the saw on a mixtape but more importantly making your own moves.
Practicing counters etc.
Reverse layups.
Doing all the dumb stuff translates and next thing you know you got handles and can do a 360 reverse layup.
Then next thing you know everyone does and can.
When you’re practicing crazy crossovers and layups all day regular ones become super easy.
From what I personally observed it seems to me and1 had at least a small part in the uptick of basic skills the average player had.
I've gone back and watched a bunch of 90s games recently. Specifically the big center battles between Robinson, Shaq, Dream and a few others. NGL, I absolutely love it. That has to ve my favorite brand of basketball.
5:18 The Gortat and John wall pick and roll was something special 🥲
facts
Man lead the league in assist per screen. It was truly magical 🧙♀️
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